The Empire Strikes Back

I think Sundance is right.  The Empire is striking back.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/30/foreboding-fbi-raids-home-of-clinton-foundation-whistleblower/

This is what he’s talking about:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/30/foreboding-fbi-raids-home-of-clinton-foundation-whistleblower/

I urge people to read both links – the DC article immediately above, and Sundance’s analysis.

In my opinion, we are now seeing an open civil war in the federal government.  This is completely analogous to what happened when the communists in CIA, FBI and DNC (as well as Stefan Halper, snug as a bug next to Erlichman) entrapped President Richard M. Nixon, and the government as a whole did NOT know what to do.  This was the communist-created “constitutional crisis” which actually started the kangaroo courts known as special counsels.

Allow me to explain some very important things.

If you observe the Robert Mueller Hoax Kangaroo Court, it is curious for these reasons:

  • Comey really did not have a reason to instigate a special counsel – the logic was weak
  • Rosenstein, likewise, had little reason to start one – there was no CRIME to begin with
  • It was started very quickly, which made little sense, as there was no rush b/c no crime
  • It has always appeared to be a fishing expedition for weird stuff or anti-Trump stuff
  • It always appeared to be looking for process crimes on the anti-Trump stuff
  • It always seemed to be trying to GENERATE crimes on the anti-Trump stuff
  • Some of the crimes that Mueller obtained plea bargains for were not even crimes
  • THAT is actually similar to what happened in Watergate, with CIA personnel
  • The goofy weird stuff was Russians, but not related to Trump
  • All Russians found seem to be related to the Democrats and Obama people
  • Fusion GPS is weirdly tied to the Russians and the attorney let in by Loretta Lynch
  • Mueller indicted Russian women who acted as internet provocateurs and trolls
    • Those women were living in now-infamous Broward County
    • Those women lived very near Nikolas Cruz
    • Those women were long gone when indicted

It is now becoming clear to me that the Mueller investigation had THREE primary but closely related purposes:

  • Try to find dirt on Donald J. Trump
  • Try to create a “Watergate-style Impeachment Bluff” to get Trump out of the White House
  • Cover up Democrat collusion with Russia (and China, but mostly Russia)

I have discussed John Podesta’s part of the collusion HERE, and – sadly – I believe that I have inadvertently caused MORE “Panic in DC” in doing so.

https://wqth.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/ride-em-skippy/

The  reason is that I carefully articulated WHY the Democrats “accuse the other side of exactly what they are doing“.  In doing so, I came VERY close to doing so SPECIFICALLY for the Mueller special counsel.

The reason that the Mueller special counsel is tasked with going after an accusation of Trump doing exactly what the Democrats were doing – under the PRETENSE of going after TRUMP for doing those things, is so that they can COVER UP themselves doing those things.

Stated differently, the Mueller special counsel was a way for Democrats to keep a footprint in government in order to cover up Democrat collusion with Russia.

Sundance spotted a while back that Mueller seemed to be trying to corral all the evidence needed for FISAgate.  Yes – that was a brilliant insight. 

And NOW we have THIS incident, where the FBI raids the whistleblower against Mueller and the FBI.  Well, that sure sounds like all the FISAgate “evidence corralling” that Mueller has been doing, too.

Beyond THAT, I think it’s even worse.  I think that Mueller has been going after ALL the evidence of ANY Democrat collusion with the Russians – including female internet provocateurs and trolls who live near mass shooters – and is covering up THAT evidence by “corralling” it.

SO – what I’m saying is that we now understand part of the benefit of accusing the “other side” of doing exactly what they were doing.

What we are talking about is a RACE TO THE EVIDENCE. There is nothing to get one there FASTER than having a window on the SAME crimes and the SAME evidence, but PROTECTED by DISINFORMATION.

But because we know that “collusion with the Russians” and “accuse the other side of exactly what they were doing” are in operation, that means that WHOEVER Mueller was going after is DANGEROUS to the Democrats.  Even if we don’t recognize them.

Do you realize how mind-blowing this is?  NOW we have a good explanation of why they came up with bogus stories like “Mueller is gathering all the evidence that Trump needs!  Mueller is on Trump’s side!”

This kind of disinformation is POSSIBLE when you “accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing.”

WOW.  Talk about CHUMPS.  We was CHUMPS.

Sundance also spotted that AT LEAST SOME of the people saying “don’t worry – trust the plan” and/or various forms of “trust Sessions” and/or “trust Wray” were in fact buying time for a counterattack by the communists.

I now believe Sundance was 100% right.

Not everybody.  Certainly not me.  But some.  I’m sure of it.  Even if not CONSCIOUSLY, I think some were simply misled.  An “overconfidence ploy” against Trump and his supporters.

And now you’ve got John O. Brenzhnev posting his Soviet demoralization tweets to go after POTUS and his supporters. 

“THE NOIVE OF DAT MAN!”

This admission may sound very weird coming from somebody who Sundance kicked out of CTH commenting for being a “Q believer”, but I really think that Sundance is right that the other side is helping to push “Trust the Plan”.

However, it’s NOT THAT SIMPLE.  I believe that OUR side is legitimately pushing patience, too.

What I think we have here is a case of two sides that are bought into a kind of massive poker game, and “going for the mid-terms” was on BOTH of their agendas.  This is a MASSIVE mutual deception between the two sides.  This is a GAME OF CHICKEN. 

There are PATRIOTS saying “Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes!  Patience!  Give Trump time and freedom!  Trust the plan!

There are also DECEIVERS saying “Mueller is on our side, don’t worry!  Trust the plan!

BOTH SIDES have been driving toward the exciting conclusion.

So – Sundance is right.  But so are we.  Here is why I think this.

I think that the game is getting EXTREMELY intense.  Mueller’s cover is ALMOST BLOWN.  Rosenstein’s cover is ALMOST BLOWN. 

BUT NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE THE FIRST HEAVY MOVE.

I don’t think it’s a good idea for us patriots to be divided. 

And yes – there are some among us who are actually helping the other side.  Helping to cover up Democrat-Russian collusion to help China and the “globalists” (really another long Soviet front) “peacefully” slide us into a socialist model similar to both China and Russia.  Look at Europe.  Sure doesn’t look like the “West” won now, does it?  Freedoms from oppressive government are disappearing everywhere.

But you know what?  I trust TRUMP.  And I trust the COMMANDER IN CHIEF.  I trust the MILITARY to back him up.  And I trust that “Q” would have been frogmarched LONG AGO if he was working for the other team.

I am ALSO observing that the new demoralization trolls on CTH, who came out of nowhere and psy-opped Sundance, are all screaming to declassify now.  I don’t trust them.  Not one bit.

I trust TRUMP.  CIC TRUMP.

SO – I think it would be a good idea for CTH to let the good people HERE who USED to help Sundance chase away all the demoralization trolls, chase away the current phalanx of demoralization trolls.  But if not, I’ll keep the good guys safe here, until things become much clearer.

I personally think that having TWO MAGA CANNONS to fire at the communists beats having just one.  So I will not abandon this fort, and I will always HELP CTH whenever I can.

All I DO know is this.  Times just got a WHOLE LOT more interesting.

W

BOOM!

PS – now you understand why they took down Alex Jones.  “Conspiracy theories”.  LOL!  He might say something that MADE SENSE.

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wheatietoo

“I don’t think it’s a good idea for us patriots to be divided.”
______
No. It’s not.
But it is not the Q-peeps who are causing the division.
WWG1WGA <— This is both a statement of unity and plea for unity.
[Where We Go One, We Go All…for those who aren't Q fluent.]
And I trust our President, too.
WRWY, Mr. President.

Tonawanda

I have yet to see or hear a single person who follows Q, to whatever degree, berate anybody for not following Q let alone “believing” in Q. The most contentious statement I have seen is: “what if Q is right? Then how would you feel?”
That is why the hostility, nastiness and gratuitous denigration is so puzzling.
As for the issue of patience, I have neither advocated for patience nor opposed patience on the part of Trump.
There are two fundamental truths that no amount of disinformation or political maneuvering are going to change.
1) The number of people who know what actually is going on in detail are very, very few. The rest of us understand that whatever it is, it is momentous and it is war. All the active combatants are creating massive confusion, which is the sensible thing for them to do. Those of us who are “serving” by only standing and waiting, necessarily can only speculate about the progress of the war.
Trump completely understands our daily concern and anxiety. IMO that is one reason for Q. But he cannot afford to coddle us, other than to tweet or retweet messages demonstrating that he is on the same wavelength as us. Trump literally cannot afford to care about our feelings too much. He has other things to do.
2) There is zero any of us can do to change what is happening, other than to support Trump with joy, optimism, hope and confidence. And a lot of prayer. What Sundance thinks is just as irrelevant as what I think, reghardless of how ma

Tonawanda

… how many people read him. There is a certain hubris and unbecoming lack of humility underlying his opinions, brilliant and insightful as they surely are. His take on things has varied over time, as has the take of everyone else (maybe Brian Cates excepted). That says something.
The communists can disinform all they want, but the only person who matters is Trump, and he knows what he is doing.
Trusting Trump is not a plan or action, it is the ONLY reasonable course of “action.” We voted, and we voice support for Trump. Does Sundance think another opinion piece will change anything?
I am NOT saying do not have an opinion, or express an opinion. I AM saying to recognize the the necessarily speculative nature of the opinion.
We long ago lost this country. Or so I thought, until Trump came along. Now we have hope.
I truly thank God for this site, because I missed the comfort of being with people who more or less see things the way I see things. I truly love the thoughts expressed here, and I mean I get emotional comfort here reading the posts, as well as marvelous information and analysis.
I think it is important for Trump supporters to have a clear vision of their role in this war. And part of that vision, IMO, is to stop blaming other Trump supporters for their purported stupidity.

Tonawanda

I did not mean to jump on the thread by posting a long reply to the first post. I have to learn to read the other comments first.

A.D. Everard

I loved your comment, Tonawanda. I agree with every word wholeheartedly.

Tonawanda

TY.

daughnworks247

What Tonawanda said, X 1000!!!!!!!!! Well done!
Our ‘opinion’ is not important.
We trust PDJT because he has the most information.
Fact = there is nothing we can do about it.
Do we scream for DeClass? Like we screamed when we though Romney might be selected as Sec of State? Or the #ReleasetheMemo campaign? Do we scream for Manafort’s release? For Clapper/Brennan/Comey/Glen Simpson/McCabe to also be charged with lying to Congress? How about screaming for the 27 leak investigations? Or the 270+ times Samantha Power unmasked? Or the other 6000 USA citizens who were surveilled?
I don’t know what to do.
We need guidance.

para59r

I have my guidance.
The President says he wants to release and again he threatens to release. Meanwhile the ‘place holders’ have been set out by Q to be filled and we know “FISA DECLAS WILL BRING THE HOUSE DOWN. Q” (something Q shouldn’t have to tell us, we should know ourselves given the steady stream of reporting on this over the last few years).
The only thing missing now is a rising chorus to start the release. Some support on this, cover for the President, not equivocation, can likely go far in making it happen. It will still be his choice but wouldn’t it be nice if the people sounded off on this.
I understand the leverage angle however, day by day the leverage becomes less, more evidence gets carted away, and the deep state continues to maneuver and attack. Besides there will be a hell of lot more leverage available after deep state is exposed and the notion of real prosecutions start to come into play.
The only good reason to wait is not all the pieces are not in position and no other unless you fearing civil war, in which case we become Deep State vassals.
Meanwhile the clock tics

Deplorable Patriot

I do think the Q board is used to cheerlead, point researchers in the right direction, and troll the opposition.
As well, there have been times when the team was talking amongst themselves. Other communications channels may be being watched, but there’s safety in numbers. Sort of like posting a coded message in the classifieds.

TheseTruths

Tonawanda, EXCELLENT posts. I agree with you.
I would not go back to the other site even if invited because I do not agree with the way it is run. It is dividing us. Yet, I want people to continue to be educated, by them and others.
“I think it is important for Trump supporters to have a clear vision of their role in this war. And part of that vision, IMO, is to stop blaming other Trump supporters for their purported stupidity.”
Yes! Wolf makes excellent points in this article, too.
It seems the people here are the more reasoned, calm ones who are allowing diversity of thought.
I trust Pres. Trump and don’t feel the need to constantly tell him what he did wrong or what he should do. This is a complicated, dangerous affair that is out of my league. The amount of info I have is infinitesimal compared with what the administration knows. We elected Pres. Trump because he’s different: He means what he says and keeps his word…not a politician, but a brilliant, honest patriot. .

Sylvia Avery

So well said. You really cut to the heart of the matter. We don’t know and CAN’T know what is going on, so what else is there but to hold onto hope and to pray for PDJT, for our country, and for each other.

Tonawanda

When I left CTH voluntarily it broke my heart. The first thing I did each morning for (years?) was to read the comments, and I read them throughout the day.
The familiar names meant a lot to me, if only to see that other people looked at things the way I did, and I mean about America, Trump and cultural decency.
I went back twice to watch rallies because the comments were always wonderful and uplifting, but twice was enough. It felt odd. Once it had been one of my favorite things to do and I looked forward to it so much.
I did a DDG search “Q and Sundance” because NYGuy told me he had heard Sundance had been a statement. NYGuy had no details.
I did not want to go to the CTH but was pretty sure some blogger somewhere must have made a comment and could satisfy my curiosity.
Then: there was The Q Tree. What was this? And the name Wolfmoon. I came here and looked at a thread and the first name I saw was wheatietoo! I actually wondered if I was reading the posts correctly. And all the great feelings from reading CTH comments came flooding back, and more and more familiar names kept popping up. It was like I had died and gone to heaven, and was meeting with all my deceased relatives and friends.
The folks my wife and I hang out with on Friday nights are mostly Trump supporters, but only one is so intensely into the details of what is going on and inclined to discuss it.
IMO Wolf is correct in describing the repressive evil facing us. It is so important that we stick together and keep up MAGA morale.

redlegleader68

Tonawanda, I want you to know personally, how great it is to see you here. You’ll notice many, many familiar faces … really more that you can imagine. We’re here. WWG1WGA.
Your insight and analysis in posts always caught my attention and I want to ask you to continue here. We need each other and can only thank W for this opportunity.

Tonawanda

TY so much, the feeling is very much reciprocated!

Sylvia Avery

What made you choose to leave CTH?
Like you, going there daily to check in with what was going on was such a part of my routine and I read so many of the comments. I live in a blue world, so it can seem a lot like there is no one else in the world practically that thinks like I do so the sense of fellowship there was important to me.
I fled in dismay the night of the Great Q Purge. I don’t exactly recall but I suspect I ended up here because I saw The Q Tree and Wolfmoon on WordPress as a site that might interest me and I pounced on it.
Dropping in out of the branches of the first tree and then landing here was a bit disorienting because I kept seeing familiar names. I had the same kind of feeling “It was like I had died and gone to heaven, and was meeting with all my deceased relatives and friends.”
I’m so glad you and NYGuy came here.

Tonawanda

Sundance personally attacked me and my character over the issue of Sessions.
It was a repulsive experience, and struck me as bizarre to boot.
It was the culmination of months where nastiness, name calling and wacko repetition became the norm in the daily threads. There was zero discussion or reasoning, just plain attack, attack, attack. I would periodically challenge posters on their witless and mindless nastiness, hoping Sundance would say something.
Alas, he joined the crowd.
I still do not understand what it is all about. And as I told NYGuy at the time, I had too much respect for Sundance to regard him negatively, despite the experience.

Sylvia Avery

I appreciate your sharing your experience. I’m frankly glad that I didn’t see the post.
I don’t understand, I’m at a loss, and I keep thinking there should be some logical explanation for what went on. And I kind of go through that all over again when I realize that the posters I enjoyed reading are now for the most part here, yourself included. There are still some over there that I miss, but it is frankly stunning to look around over here and realize at least half if not more of the old regulars are here.
At any rate, I’m glad you found us. It feels like a I’m on a lifeboat and periodically we find another survivor and pull them over the side and into safety.

Tonawanda

Everybody is feeling stress and anxiety over whatever is going on, including Sundance. Our are waiting for our fate to be decided.
One reason I like Q so much is:
WWG1WGA

oncefired

We all know the deal and who the Black Hats are that are walking around. We don’t have the information that POTUS has to when the best time to declassify is. We all know grave crimes have been committed, especially thinking about how the FISA Court was abused and how dangerous that is weaponized in Black Hat hands! I follow any information I can find knowing if Justice is not served, then our Republic is going to take a serious hit and I worry for my kids! Whether its CTH, Q or whoever I follow, I have no reason to discount anybody who chooses to follow one source over another, I have no idea why SD took such a hardcore stance against Q. The Q drops have to be decoded, which I can’t do, but we also know there is disinformation in them because the Black Hats are looking at them to! Nothing is 100%, so I choose to listen to every opinion I can get my hands on and will not critisize others for their choice! I completely agree with this article that the battle is out in the open now, but we don’t know everything and we don’t know who is winning! I think Declassify blows it open, but is the corruption so bad that it creates a Constitutional Crisis or even a Civil War? We don’t know? I will admit, I am as impatient as everybody else, but we have to trust PDT to Declassify when he thinks the timing is right! Not that we can do anything but wait anyway!

NYGuy54

CTH suffers because you are not there. Great comment.

Tonawanda

TY.

singularZoe

@Wolfmoon, great post.
@Wheatie, agree with you, too, at least with regard to most of the people here. We are not wanting to divide. People here didn’t cause themselves to be kicked off CTH, at least for the most part.

gingersmom2009

If I posted why I got ousted, over a year ago, you would not believe it. I still check out the site every day though. And I’m so happy to have found this blog!

SteveInCO

Another long-timer on the BannedWagon! Welcome!

scott467

“If I posted why I got ousted, over a year ago, you would not believe it. I still check out the site every day though. And I’m so happy to have found this blog!”
_________________
We’re putting the band back together!

singularZoe

Gingersmom, glad you are among us.

GA/FL
GA/FL

The elite left are getting desperate.
The President has been retweeting tweets like this one:
https://twitter.com/The_Trump_Train/status/1067687857400229888
Even Twitter’s Jack is under Congressional/DOJ investigation and under a threat of exposure by conservative whistleblowers if he doesn’t restore Laura Loomer’s account in full.

Plain Jane

That’s very disconcerting. Stay safe Wolfie.

Sylvia Avery

I saw a clip of that fool, Donnie Deutch (who is on one of those left wing propaganda channels I guess) and he was pontificating that it doesn’t matter if they remove PDJT from office as Jeffrey Toobin, another idiot, seems to think they will be able to do because all of the lawyers in New York are going to continue after PDJT and his family until there is no money left.
It is a death match. For the Trump family, and for our Republic. We will either win this thing together or we will hang together. But I don’t see a middle ground.
PDJT is such a fighter. I like our prospects.

huskerheart

And I am unequivocal about the Team I will fight for!

daughnworks247

If President Trump can get 370K in atty’s fees out of a porn star, I’m on his side.
You’re correct though, the litigious nature of the Dems is unending.
Look what they did to Kobach when he tried to start a voter investigation (7 lawsuits – so many that Trump shut it down and turned it over to Homeland).
AND Ryan Zinke was on Fox last night. Two years in and he has been through 10 full investigations.
Look what they did to Devin Nunes on bogus ethics charges.
Now the NY Atty General wants to make her career mark by taking down the Trump family. Of course, former NYAG tried but Schneiderman was outed and forced to resign.
Oh yeah, it’s a war…….. and we are the prize.

Elizabeth Carter

One thing that our enemies do not understand is that we have an abundance of patience and resolve. When we choose a battle, we assume we will be attacked.
We don’t live for approval.
We don’t expect things to be easy.
We go into battle with the intention of winning.
We understand that losing one battle is not the same as losing the war.
We take our losses, regroup, plan our strategies and engage again.
The only acceptable outcome is total victory.
There is no back up plan.
WWG1WGA

thinkthinkthink

Amen and Amen.

GA/FL

Always, always remember – Bushes (McCain/Flake/Romney/McMullin) and the Clintons and Obama are the same party.
https://twitter.com/The_Trump_Train/status/1068457828308971527

Elizabeth Carter

The other thing we always need to remember is that President Trump’s first actions were to align himself with the Military, Veterans, Police, Border Patrol, ICE, volunteers, bikers, gun owners, Q, and Patriots of every race, creed and color whose hearts bleed Red, White and Blue.
We are not the EU and when the Communists here call out the military against us, they will find that our Military answers to our duly elected Commander in Chief and will fight on the side of We the People.
They will think twice before they engage us if they can’t get us to give up in despair by calling us names and feeding us propaganda.
BS’s talk the talk and Patriots walk the walk.
MAGA

singularZoe

So GA/FLA, Mueller was pushing wmd in Iraq and then was involved with Uranium 1 and the Russians? Wow.,

GA/FL

Mueller is Prison material for sure!

andrew1979

unfortunately that is only a fraction of mr. mueller’s long and illustrious resume!

Mary Morse
SteveInCO

Just posted at the site that you do not name…

I’m not sure why people are so reluctant to name Can’t Tolerate Heterodoxy (CTH), but it’s true, many won’t.

JasonD

Because we feel not quite right about overtly castigating fellow travellers. SD ostensibly had no problem banning us – no problem allowing trolls to reign freely “over there” – yet we are reluctant to to call a spade a “bloody shovel” – even though that is our blood on the shovel.
I like to think that people with our mindset seek to build – we seek to heal. And so it is deeply uncomfortable for us to “point the finger and judge them” – we know that this will not serve humanity in the long run.
So even though we feel wronged, we are smart enough to know that deploying the very tactics on our brethren that were used on us would also be wrong.
And so here we are, wounded in spirit by our banishment, but uplifted by the kindred spirits that congregate here. The diversity of insight, knowledge and experience that we are blessed with “here” is extraordinary

Alison

Great statement, Jason. We might have left CTH – voluntarily or otherwise – for similar reasons, and we have all acknowledged what those are. It’s not unlike a divorce. Why get yourself stuck looking back in anger or regret, which is time wasted and emotion spent fruitlessly.
I have ALWAYS found a better path – a healing path – when I leave a dysfunctional one. I refuse to take the dysfunction with me. My eyes and energy are future-focused.

GA/FL

Very good words from Alison and Jason D. Needed to hear that.

Plain Jane

Jason, you ar just too nice. LOL.

Deplorable Patriot

I’m not sure why people are so reluctant to name Can’t Tolerate Heterodoxy (CTH), but it’s true, many won’t.
Because we are afraid the internet is tracking us through the use of the term, and if we type it, death eaters, and the CIA will show up on the front porch.

SteveInCO

Ah. So clearly the solution is to get rid of the front porch, so the CIA can’t use it.

Deplorable Patriot

And the Jehovah’s Witnesses, although hanging a Crucifix on the front door achieves the same objective with them.

SteveInCO

LOL.
I remember a story one time. Someone came home to see his dogs running around the neighborhood. As he pulled up into his driveway, there was litter everywhere in his yard.
On further inspection, it was copies of Watchtower and other JW stuff.
Conclusion: The JWs had somehow managed to get the dogs to bust out, resulting in the dogs chasing them.
I’d bet they never came back.

Plain Jane

Or a 70+ year old answering the door naked.

Deplorable Patriot

[snort]

SteveInCO

Add a shotgun and they’ll definitely not return.

Plain Jane

I can do that, plus a well appointed hip holster.

SteveInCO

That I’d like to see.
The hip holster I mean.
It’s an article of faith for me that all Treepettes are smoking hot, but there is a shotgun involved so I’d best not flirt.

Plain Jane

LOL, especially with a septuagenarian.

Mary Morse

Are you a member?

Mary Morse

lol

SteveInCO

You certainly do a lot of digging. In common silica sand, no doubt you dig up about 60 grams worth.

Deplorable Patriot

It looks like that’s Mary’s comment in moderation at CTH. I don’t see this on Qmap or the other board I watch. If anons are right, we’re in countdown mode and the next drops will be Sunday. That’s IF they are right.

Mary Morse

Correct-a-mundo! Yikes!

Mary Morse

Don’t go starting any rumors please…:)

Mary Morse

PS. The post didn’t make it thru moderation at that unnamed site.

Mary Morse

I revised it and reposted it a few minutes ago thinking that the other site might have made the same interpretation. Nope. Into the bin again. 🙂

tessa50

From years of being there, I have learned that many comments with multiple links go to spam or something. I think you can do two at a time, maybe three, as long as you put two spaces between each.

Mary Morse

TY, I didn’t know that.

Deplorable Patriot

As previously observed by Q Addicts Anonymous, this is what happens when a drop appears:

Gil

Ok thats funny. Cause even though im not hardcore, i still ywarn to learn new q.

Deplorable Patriot

On this particular topic, I go back to the very first week of drops, take a deep breath and sit back with a cup of tea (or a shot of Jameson).
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Anonymous ID: P3Lk4PKG No.147104628 📁
Oct 29 2017 10:47:07 (EST)
Open your eyes.
It finally came out that Rod/Bob were key players in the Uranium scandal.
Don’t you think POTUS would be tweeting about removal given clear conflict.
Why did POTUS meet Bob under the cover of FBI Dir interview?
Bob is unable to serve as Dir per the law.
Gowdy comments on Comey (history will ….)
POTUS has everything.
Not everyone is corrupt (fewer than you think).
Follow Huma.
Operation Mockingbird.
Priority to clean out the bad actors to unite people behind the America First agenda.
Many in our govt worship Satan.
Not about Republicans v Democrats at this stage.
Where is HRC?
Why is the NG called up across 12 cities?
Trust in your President.
God bless, Patriots.
We don’t know what we don’t know.

JasonD

Wolf, we have no option but to trust Trump – he is the only game in town who is throwing down on the DS. It is ALL PDJT. THERE IS NO ONE ELSE.
So we are stuck, watching with fascinated horror/admiration as this battle between Good vs evil rages.
I have posited that SD’s original theory re the sting is accurate and remains the best explanation for the facts known to date. I have also stated that ON THE FACE OF IT, there is no sting. That is the problem with a sting – to be effective, it cannot be determinable.
I have said that if the good guys are NOT executing an undercover op to win this war, then WE DESERVE TO LOSE – they would be the lamest chumps in history, and the West was beyond salvaging.
IF DJT got all his key picks wrong in the DOJ, from Sessions on down, then he’s toast. If Wray was chosen by DJT on RR’s say so after RR appointed Mueller AND Wray’s appointment matters to the running of the FBI – then what does that say about RR and PDJT’s judgement.
Heck, maybe the Mossad has a wet work team in DC and will execute a knife of the long knives to save DJT, cause it is ALL swampers in DC? Who the hell knows anything.
What we do is irrelevant, other than support DJT until the lady sings. That goes without saying. I’m sort of getting over all of this speculating – it serves no purpose that I can glean.
The outcome is not certain at all, that would be foolhardy to assume. We may have a pretty good idea of the broad strokes, with likely very little knowledge / understanding of the minutiae. On this issue I am in limbo – just waiting. Knowing that over 90% of DC voted FOR corruption fills me with dread. I am not at all sure that this will be resolved for the good – evil has festered and grown for A VERY LONG TIME.

gingersmom2009

Wow, that second sentence. We are just stuck watching the battle, and constantly thinking about it.

SteveInCO

I have posited that SD’s original theory re the sting is accurate and remains the best explanation for the facts known to date. I have also stated that ON THE FACE OF IT, there is no sting. That is the problem with a sting – to be effective, it cannot be determinable.

That’s the problem with the continuing argument. BY DEFINITION, it’s unresolvable. The data are consistent with no sting. The data are consistent with a sting as well, because a properly executed sting covers its own existence until..it stings.
The major difference between us and them is that we recognize that a sting would be invisible so we don’t use the absence of evidence for one as proof positive it’s not there.
(On the other hand it’s ALSO an error to be certain it exists!)

Emeraldstar

“(On the other hand it’s ALSO an error to be certain it exists!)”
Only technically.
Here’s why (game theory):
When the only chance for our survival, as a Republic and a people, is to either believe or to Act as though we believe that a position – which you call a logical “error” – is true, then SURVIVAL logic dictates that we “gamble” on it being true.
This is the problem with relying to heavily on the abstract, un-tethered “logic” of science.
Our BEST BET is to follow the path to victory – even when we aren’t sure that we’ll win. In the “hood”, it’s called “Act like you know!” (even when one doesn’t know).
“Logic” evaluates statements, et al. What logic MISSES, is that there ain’t no such thing as a “statement” without there FIRST being a STATER. IOW, a person; a mind.
“Logic” tries to remove all agency … yet life IS agency. Divorcing statements from staters has some benefits … but it also has malefits. “Logic” acknowledges the former … but ignores the latter. It ISN’T the total story …
Hope you get what I’m saying! In the BROADEST context (US!), the technical “error” you cite is next-to-irrelevant.
I could probably express better …

SteveInCO

Not sure I do get it. But if what you’re saying is that it’s prudent to behave as though the sting exists, then I agree. But to me that’s different than being certain it’s there. The first is a prudent action to take in the absence of actual knowledge, the latter would be the actual knowledge.

SteveInCO

True that, very true.
Philosophers call it your “context.” Everything you yourself know, or think you know, or are aware of, makes up your context. You can only rationally act based on that.

JasonD

EmStar – great comment. I get what you are saying. Pascal’s wager, in short. If you can’t know, but the goal is considered worthy, then “Look at what you have to gain” rather than “Look at what you have to lose” becomes operative.
So, all smart people on both sides of this will be acting on the assumption of a sting – it being foolhardy not to.

JasonD

Prudent, to be sure. The best teams have great offence AND defence!
Tough not to be in a mood in these times – I was last night. The great thing about this community is that there is always someone to talk you off the ledge 🙂

Elizabeth Carter

JasonD Your post brought this Scripture to mind.
1 Corinthians 15:12-29 (NIV)
The Resurrection of the Dead
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11 Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
I BELIEVE THAT GOOD TRIUPHS OVER EVIL and so do the rest of you or we would not be here fighting this fight.

JasonD

Elizabeth, thank you. I just hit send on a reply here that is an extremely condensed version of your post, in its essence.
I am not dispirited, though it may have sounded like that. The outcome of the battle that we are currently discussing is open, and yet we stand where we stand – because our cause is worthy and just.
I share your faith in the final outcome, that is why I am not dispirited.

MysticRose80

Currently, we’re witnessing two types of warfare: psychological warfare and spiritual warfare. DS/Globalist/What-have-you vs. Patriots.
Until my gut, backed by reasonable doubt, tells me otherwise, I still stand by the belief that the Patriots planned for this moment for quite some time.
I agree with this comment from JasonD:
“I have posited that SD’s original theory re the sting is accurate and remains the best explanation for the facts known to date. I have also stated that ON THE FACE OF IT, there is no sting. That is the problem with a sting – to be effective, it cannot be determinable.”
One thing that has always stuck in my mind was then Candidate Trump’s statement about his not liking to telegraph his moves. I personally believe that it is essential for the Patriots to create the illusion of chaos and “no plan” in order to throw the DS off. Granted, we are left wondering and confused, but it has to play out this way.

JasonD

PDJT said as much in his Lester Holt interview after firing Comey. (paraphrasing) “I may even decide to lengthen the investigation (into his campaign re Russia collusion) – This may confuse some people”.
Well, as I have said in my TH days – we are confused. I’m OK with that so long as the DS is also confused!

Deplorable Patriot

I agree that the plan has been in the works for a long time, and recon was going on for at least a decade before the big moves started. There’s too many fronts for it to be a simple walk in and renovate.

rayzorbak

I am waiting for the actual reason for the often repeated poem about the snake during the campaign……..

Plain Jane

People took the snake to be terrorists in pretty skin only. Now that you mention this, it also could mean the whole DS also. Interesting comment. Thamks.

Plain Jane

Yes they do.

JasonD

Its a right brain “thing”. The proper place for that which has not yet being captured and reduced to “manageable proportions”

Elizabeth Carter

I believe the snake is Communism.

GA/FL

….a new form of socialism partnering with – – – Islamism.
Antifa IS both fascism and nazi-like socialism.

JasonD

The snake is the fallen angel, manifesting in us, the fallen. It is “The Accuser”, beguiling you by telling you how brilliant you are – how much better you are than “them”. If you are better than “them” then you are justified in judging “them”.
So yes, the snake is to be found in communism, but also in all other “ism’s”. But be wary, because it lurks in all of us, whispering away its insidious message. It is the source of evil, and the road that it travel on is wide.

thinkthinkthink

Wisdom that.

JasonD

Thank you – this is all relatively new to me. As I encounter this wisdom, my jaw, initially on the floor, has resumed its proper place, and I face the future with a new found joy and excitement as to what is unfolding around us.
Having one’s eye’s opened so that sight is possible is a wondrous gift.

GA/FL

The US/Mexico/Canada USMCA trade deal has been signed!

and….
https://twitter.com/MichaelDelauzon/status/1068485469019619330

GA/FL

A Very long busy day for our President!
https://twitter.com/POTUS_Schedule/status/1068508247424823297

Mary Morse

…”That is the problem with a sting – to be effective, it cannot be determinable….”
At a certain point it needs to be discernable so that people understand what happened. How can that happen when a government requires such a high level of secrecy? Enter people like you, me, Wolfie, Sundance, Sylvia, Fle, etal… to surmise the story.
Shadows and reflections are very clearly defined by the object that created them. If you trying to draw something from life and you can’t quite get it, draw the shadow and work backwards.
(Wonderful book on the nature of shadows…The Shadow Club by Roberto Cavalli.)
…”I have said that if the good guys are NOT executing an undercover op to win…”
I believe that there must be, and the infrastructure that supports it goes way back. (Say 3 generations?) The serendipity that has brought me to this point is ridiculous, I might say “mathematically impossible”. Red October.
Not to inspire more dread, but it’s not only DC, it’s been supported by anyone whose livelihood is derived from the corruption.
At this point, waiting, watching, isn’t a bad plan. Since it’s Friday, and inspired by the post above, I think I’ll make some popcorn and a pitcher of Jameson Peach Sours. 🙂

JasonD

Waiting and watching MAY be the BEST plan – It seems like it is the speculating and the attendant disagreements that is leading to the division.
Our banishment resulted from this division.
This seems to be the conservative way – ever more splintering. It has happened in churches, education – where else?
The left agglomerates, the right divides – Is this a truism? It is very likely why we are losing the culture war – it looks like a feature of our disposition.

Mary Morse

I’m sorry for those who have experienced the banishment.
I’m still able to post, although a comment went into moderation today. it had a “Q.:” followed by a question. It’s reposted above. It’s definitely Q related but backed entirely by DoD and CTH links.
I think Sundance has a lot of information and research to share, and the Q discussions kind of muck up the discussion for him. I think that much of the research being done and published over there is a gift, so I’m willing to grant him wide discretion.

chronoblip

“The left” are unified, but do not understand unity, because the majority of them are simply not intelligent enough to be distracted by the arbitrary and irrelevant details that fuel the current types of division. Folks on “the right” are of higher average intelligence, but while that means they can connect more dots and connect them quicker, if they spend too much time doing this before moving on to anything else, they’ll get nothing done.
“The left” have been able to get inside the OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) of “the right” for decades. In short, even if they’ve made terrible decisions, they’ve made them faster, digested feedback and updated their strategy quicker, and then tried again long before “the right” has even made one decision of their own. When “the right” finally does respond, it’s always an impotent reaction to a prior choice of “the left”, and so there is never an opportunity to get the upper hand, to go on the offensive.
Conservatives bicker over trivial details that don’t really matter, wasting time on lofty rhetoric and idealism, while liberals have been trying stuff, failing, fixing it, trying again, and so on and so forth to achieve what they need in successive iterations. Conservatives think their inaction displays some sort of moral or intellectual superiority, as they refuse to commit to anything unless they are all completely certain it’s 100% absolutely the right thing to do.
It’s a decision paralysis enabled by higher intelligence that a less intelligent being, unable to even recognize the details of the decision, won’t struggle with at all because they don’t even see the distinctions to then account for them in their decision making process.
Meanwhile, to make this even worse, conservatives spent so much time building pride on their particular distinctions, the superiority of “muh principles”, even going so far as to bake them into their identity, that they’ve quite literally forgotten how to just “see the big picture”. All they can see are distinctions, endless schisms and variations, lists and lists of pros and cons, and when they try to explain any of it to liberals, it’s like trying to explain your favorite color of the rainbow to a dog.
The good news is that those of “the right” who are also on the lower end of the bell-curve are already on board and ready to go, because they don’t get what the fuss is about, and are tired of the talking heads endlessly talking, it’s time for action! Ready are the people on the higher end of the bell-curve as well, who can see past the rather poorly laid intellectual traps. The bad news is that the bulk of “the right” is in the middle, too smart to ignore the details, and yet not smart enough to see past them either.
Winning those folks over is going to require significant external circumstances which put the arbitrary distinctions they’ve clung to in proper perspective, because they’ve already wasted half a century trying to argue with “the left” that they were really right this whole time, instead focused on getting results, and unless something can get them out of their holding pattern, they’ll keep doing it, thinking that once they finally recite the magic spell correctly “the left” will agree that they were wrong, declare “the right” the winner, and then let “the right” proceed to govern.
So there is hope, all is not lost, but it’s really hard to get people to let go of things they thought mattered, and that unfortunately means that things will continue to get worse, the polarization ever more clear, and the threat of violence ever more present, long before things will get better.
But they will get better.
Pray and prepare, because it’s going to be a rough ride.

JasonD

And that post is what makes this site the wonderful place that it is!
An Aussie colloquialism to you – “Onya!!
Which is very short for “May good be bestowed on you” – Thanks.

Mary Morse

Daniel P. Moynihan wrote a nice book about the dangers of government secrecy. He also chaired an investigative panel on the topic after some scandal (I forget which). The irony is that John Podesta serves as the institutional memory of that investigation, as he also served on the panel, and Carpetbagging Cankles went over the hill to the Senator’s farm to get his blessings on the Senate seat. Alec Baldwin was with her campaign that weekend, I believe.

Deplorable Patriot

Yes they did. And it goes back a long way. Public housing is one of those topics. The roots were laid during the Truman administration.

Mary Morse

Care to expand on that thought, DP? What about public housing?

Deplorable Patriot

In my hometown, once upon a time, there was a public housing development known as Pruitt-Igoe. It was first occupied in 1954, but the concept for it, plans to build, etc., in 1947. Thanks to the Housing Act of 1949, it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt%E2%80%93Igoe
In 1972, this happened and made international headlines. If you’re not into the Cocteau Twins skip to :50.

That corner is FINALLY being redeveloped 46 years later. A good portion of the site has been, but not that specific corner.

Mary Morse

Urban renewal, not only in St. Louis, but in various scales across the US and the world. Came down like the twin towers, didn’t it? Same designer.

Deplorable Patriot

That was more destruction than renewal. The renewal started here in a completely different place in the 1970s and 80s.
As for the author, yes, I think it was the same. and there was a plan that was implemented in the 1950s. It’s known as the Eisenhower Interstate system and as much as the country benefited from the cities being linked this way, the cities like mine were torn apart by it.
Yes the post-WWII years were used to foist the USA with all sorts of things that sounded good, but the aftermath was anything but.

Deplorable Patriot
andrew1979

part of truman’s “fair deal” which was really a bunch of liberal attacks under the guise of protecting the american dream. the fair deal was stated that everyone should be able to EXPECT from the government a fair deal. the probably was that they started to EXPECT and did not want to earn or work hard for things… and a lot of “tear inducing, heart string jerking” programs to take care of people who in a lot of cases really didn’t want to put in the effort to take care of themselves.

Mary Morse

From your link:
…”because of projects like Lincoln Center, a New York City cultural development including 4400 apartments for which 7000 apartments were torn down, the Act’s urban redevelopment programs actually destroyed more housing units than they built.[6] ”
So if it wasn’t genuinely about making housing, what was it really about?

Deplorable Patriot

Transfer of American wealth.

Mary Morse

The pedagogy was about control and transformation.

Plain Jane

Massive Chicago public housing in the, IIRC, in the 60’s was designed to bring in dem voters…

Plain Jane

Yes, most likely planned much earlier..

Mary Morse

I don’t think that was a consideration at the outset. I believe that the vision was more global, and US cities and towns were incubators.

Plain Jane

Probably. The city dem administration went to town on it though.

Mary Morse

Absolutely, DP mentioned (huge) transfer of wealth. Planning and construction projects, effective mechanisms for channeling huge sums of the books.

Plain Jane

Yes Mary. Those projects were filled with people brought up from the south. The voting block.
People who were used to being out in the country, raising their own vegies, kids playing outside, stuffed into high rises – fenced in like cattle.

Mary Morse

“make no little plans, for they have no power…”

Mary Morse

Jane,
Father of modern planning delivered a speech discussing how the agricultural colleges would support the transition from rural to urban. I don’t think that the farmers sending their kids to ag colleges had this in mind.
I can’t speak to the ultimate occupants of the housing created and where they can from. I don’t have any data.
I will say that I have lived, worked and invested in poor places. I have great respect for the friends that I made. Poor people work hard too.

Plain Jane

I agree.
I vaguely remember JJ doing some type of recruitment of southern blacks to live in the housing units in Chicago.

Mary Morse

“The roots were laid during the Truman administration.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilmore_David_Clarke

singularZoe

According to Catherine Austin Fitts, HUD has been run as a criminal operation. Hope the Trump admin can fix it but not certain.

Mary Morse

I will look into her.
idealistic I, once filed FOI’s and requested formal investigation of certain things in a small city. I figured the corruption model was scalable

Mary Morse

Zoe, thanks for the tip. Hokey Smokes!
Article on her experiences at HUD may explain what I saw from a different point of view, at the same time. For others interested:
https://www.spur.org/publications/urbanist-article/2012-11-09/grand-reductions-10-diagrams-changed-city-planning
…”Shortly after arriving at HUD in April 1989, I began to learn about the FHA Coinsurance program. Since 1984, HUD/FHA had allowed private mortgage bankers to issue federal credit to guarantee multi-family apartment projects. After issuing $9 billion in mortgage guarantees, HUD/FHA was to lose something approaching 50% of the value of the portfolio — a level of losses hard to explain with mortal logic. When my staff approached me with a proposal to bail out a mortgage company so they could continue to lose money for us, I asked why we should spend money to lose more money in a way that would harm communities. After a long silence during which 30 staff members intently studied their feet, one brave soul explained to me that the mortgage bank was owned and run by a major Republican donor. Shocked, I said. “I am a major Republican donor,” and pointing to my presidential cufflinks that were adorning my French cuffs, “I got a pair of cuff links. You get cuff links. You don’t get $400 million of federal credit to throw down the drain.” “…

GA/FL

Twitter does this every time President Trump’s following draws close to hitting another million followers.
@realDonaldTrump followers:
55,989,655 – 6:00 pm – 11/28/18
55,984,187 – 8:53 am – 11/29/18 – minus 5,468
55,983,420 – 3:49 pm – minus 767
55,982,133 – 6:30 am – 11/30/18 – minus 1,287
55,974,674 – 9:34 am – minus 7,459
Yes, Steve, I’m still counting – but just the Trump WMD personal Twitter account.

SteveInCO

I knew we could count on you for that.

GA/FL

It’s back up to 55,991,934 @ 4:34 pm!

JasonD

Wolfmoon, self congratulatory “Wow’s” as to the awesomeness of this site, although earned by you Sir, are best said in private – lest people got the wrong impression 🙂

NYGuy54

The declassified documents will flip the switch back to President Trump. It neuters Mueller. So I am not buying this doom and gloom stuff. Not in the least. President Trump would not be retweeting those aggressive memes without secondary intent. Throwing that out like that is so not Sun Tzu unless there is intent. And good morning Patriots.

NYGuy54

Be very careful going down the Sundance trail. He looks like he is trying to crush the spirit of the MAGA movement. Hmmm…one can only speculate why.

Aubergine

Yes, it is very weird, isn’t it? The Sundance Trail, I mean.
It is dispiriting to read over there now. And I was always uplifted before. Sad, really.

daughnworks247

And then there is exactly what Q said in post 2501.
Will the declass occur prior/post testimony?
List advantages of both.
I took it that Q was asking for speculation, a devil’s advocate argument, for both possibilities…… which is what we are doing now.

NYGuy54

Declass moves the pendulum back. Looks like Whitaker approved it and now we wait.

Emeraldstar

It really puts the DS in a dilemma, doesn’t it?
Not only is it perfect camouflage for when the D-class will happen (and the DS cannot effectively protect against both), but also there’s a sneaky advantage. That is, in this binary choice, the assumption that the D-class WILL happen occurs in both choices!
When one is in charge of the question (the “topic”), one has indirect control of the answer. We see journo-actors do it all the time – the “gotcha” questions, designed to cause problems for anyone who answers it “straight” (usually “yes” or “no”).
Questions can be LIES too!

Deplorable Patriot

I get the idea they’re trapped like rats from two fronts.
I need to make snacks for next week.

SteveInCO

With any decent luck, lots and lots of popcorn.

Deplorable Patriot

If you insist. My preference is my special spicy guacamole with organic blue corn chips and these grilled cheese cheesy puffs I found in the gluten free section.

SteveInCO

Planning popcorn is traditional for watching the Big Ugly, but there’s no reason not to improve on it.

thinkthinkthink

Home made fresh cream vanilla ice cream sweetened with maple syrup would hit the spot.

JasonD

Declass is strategically better “after”. As much as we want it NOW, it is a much smarter play to do it later.
Which raises the RR question again. Did he argue for “later”, or “never”? Those pesky uncertainties 🙂

andrew1979

agree 100%
at this point we can suppose one of two things – either SD is attempting a reverse psychology operation in unprecedented fashion by first purging certain readers, and now by feigning defeat and cracks in the armor of truth – all in the thought of “tricking” the enemy readers/commenting “trolls” at the site so they “think” they are winning…
or… well, the OR is every sketchy theory that’s been put forth so far – possibly including we were all stung along in the first place, or SD has some kind of new inside info that makes all hope seem lost.
at this point we can only go by our gut feeling and i know what that is for most of us here anyway.
to be fair to my inner feelings, i have to point out that only by faith and sheer patience have any of us gotten to this point. there was a day and i almost exactly remember where i was and who i was talking to, where i mentally got to the point where i decided that if a semi-public move had not been made by that day in order to begin the fight back (and by semi-public i mean some movement that let the populace know whether they wanted to or not that something of a counter attack was happening) then we might be in a position to have to wait it out until the very last second and appear to be losing ground the whole time.
the key to this of course was that the situation at that point was already HUGE and the details well known if you wanted to see them. and even as there was only tiny bits information to show any misdeeds by a trump team individual (and 99.9% of those were nothing to do with russia, etc) there was so much pointing to misdeeds for the other side – for by this time so many things were known going back to U1, the dossier, CF, the email server, i could go on and on). and the only people that who so far had been in trouble were all not involved in those things.
so in that moment when i thought this i had to come to an agreement with myself that i still believed or i did not. of course you can assume that i chose to keep the faith – but i also at the same time finally put all my eggs in one basket and came to believe that this is absolutely not just a political battle. this is not just a republican / democrat battle. this was not just an american battle. this was a battle of forces that mankind DOES NOT want to comprehend and understand fully – the forces that control everything and i think you all know what i am talking about.
our faith may be tested and we may very well be persecuted and even eliminated because of it, but we must never deny what we know is true and we must work until the conclusion to defend the truth. the time is very short.

NYGuy54

thank you for a thoughtful reply

andrew1979

when i was 8 years old i started reading a book titled 666 by salem kirban. i got it off the top shelf of our church / school library. it was a small book, and had been pushed to the back so you could not really see it from the floor – especially for a short 8 year old! so i took a small chair and placed that on top of a build in “desk” built into one wall, and reached up and grabbed it.
from that day forward i never forgot that book and the images it conjured up in my mind. regardless of what happens the idea of believing and not denying the truth was of course put forth in the bible and then in this “fictional depiction” of the end times – and i could clearly see that being true to what you believed in your heart was vital. and denying, even for the purpose of “survival” was not going to be rewarded… i think we are getting closer and closer to those times and if we deny for the sake of taking heat off us we do the greatest disservice that we can to our cause.

JasonD

Of course, some of those opposite hold to this maxim as well, hence the fierceness of this battle.
It is a battle of value systems – of religions (that which we hold in our core).

singularZoe

Andrew, great comments and you are right about the battle. Hope you take this in the spirit of a little teasing, but when I read one of your posts, the style is unique, and afterword I have to stop and catch my breath.

thinkthinkthink

Andrew, doing my chores today I came to much the same thoughts as you outline in this excellent post. I recall the many stories I have read of the faith of the martyrs.
Today is the Feast of St. Andrew. A faithful servant that suffered much for the sake of Christ. The Koreans during the Japanese occupation suffered greatly and yet God prepared them to endure and remain faithful. So many examples all around the world of those who stood storng by the grace of God.
When the darkness threatens to paralyze us and separate us from our connection with Heaven, the inspiration of the courage of the suffering church can reset our thinking and instruct us in the way in which we are to walk.
Even now, we, us proud, independent Americans are in the prayers of faithful believers all around the world. Let us take hold of the grace given for this day and live courageous, standing strong in prayer and faith.

Deplorable Patriot

Just the mention of the Federal Reserve, the central bank, this week tells me that things are a lot farther along than is being broadcast. The central banks are a theme Q has stressed needing to go in order to be freed. It’s frightening in one way, but in another, if some of the stories that have been out in the conspiracy world are true, we’ll be just fine.

A Fortiori (@AFortiori16)

This is a topic I need to learn more about.

Emeraldstar

Perhaps I can help a bit, in terms of what to look for.
DuckDuckGo search for “Jekyll Island” – it’s where the user-bankers of the day (1913) concocted their scheme to control our nation’s money. Also, see Woodrow Wilson’s quotation, about profound regret for allowing this travesty for America to happen.
Also, look at “fractional” banking, or “fractional reserve” banking. It shows how banks just “create” money. It’s similar to “margin” investing, wherein for 30% (or so) down, one may control over three times that amount (100%) of ones holdings. Only in this case, the multiplier is triple that figure.
And note, in the famous “this is the video that got [candidate Donald J.] Trump elected” (still on YT, I believe), that Yellin (former head of the “Fed”) was pictured … and add that to PDJT’s recent comments that the Federal Reserve is a GREATER threat to America than Shyna is.
Searching the q-posts (there is a search ability, for keywords, top left on the page) also helps a LOT. He / they have referenced it many times. Here’s the link (very safe):
https://qanon.pub
While these searches and links aren’t exhaustive on the topic, I hope they’ll serve as a great start.
I enjoy your perspectives! I’ll add my third “Hello, poster!” post of today right now!

Plain Jane

Excellent start for discovery of the rot, greed and usurpation of the Fed, Emeraldstar.

andrew1979

woodrow wilson – another of those “i have profound regret…” when it’s too late.
it does seem like so many of those that have had late life regret about something they championed yet their causes continue on and on most to the detriment of society, yet they are worshiped and not questioned by groups who benefit from such things.
wilson was at the crux of so many contradictions and acts that ultimately seemed to open the floodgates of evil in the world years later. i always wanted to like woodrow i must admit. he seemed like a nice fellow and very prim and proper and appeared to want to make the world a better place.

Elizabeth Carter

President Trump is a history buff. On his wall in the oval office is a portrait of Andrew Jackson who actually did take down the BANK. JFK tried and died.

Plain Jane

Rand Paul’s daddy, Ron, continuously spoke about the Feds. I started following him in the 70s. When he ran for Pres, I heard a brilliant pro life ND Law prof say if the dems got in, it would take a minimum of 16years to undo the chaos O would inculcate into the system and fiber of out country. This prof was 100% behind Paul.

Spab

W, I have to admit that I am not seeing things as you do. I do not accept that the DS is throwing up a DISINFORMATION campaign to confuse us. Disinformation works because your target already trusts you. I would be hard pressed to find any Q followers who believe anything from the DS. I grant that it will keep their own troops in line and asleep but that is the primary role of propaganda. The problem for the DS is that we, the patriots, cannot be disinformed. There must be another explanation.
A primary reason why they can advance their agenda is because so many people in positions of power are at risk if the DS fails. Of course, economic consideration is always a reason. It almost always revolves around money and power. In short, the DS has a lot of collaborators who believe that their best strategy is to go with the elite.
The best strategy for the DS to influence the patriots is to amplify the impatience of those wanting to see the restoration of law and order. Every apparent setback makes us grind our teeth and mumble to the ether about getting on with it. Psychologically most of the patriots are ‘can do’ kind of people predisposed to take direct action. Patience is not our strong point.
Lastly, I want to make sure anyone reading this understands that this is not an attack on W or his perspective. It is merely my opinion. In fact it may be less likely to be the truth. It just reflects my take on the data.

NYGuy54

I like a little disagreement. I learn from it.

Spab

Actually I believe we are fellow travelers and I find I agree with most of your views. If I agreed with everything one of us would be a clone.

Tonawanda

Ed Koch: “If you agree with 75% of my opinions, vote for me. If you agree with 100%, see a psychiatrist.”

Deplorable Patriot

The best strategy for the DS to influence the patriots is to amplify the impatience of those wanting to see the restoration of law and order. Every apparent setback makes us grind our teeth and mumble to the ether about getting on with it. Psychologically most of the patriots are ‘can do’ kind of people predisposed to take direct action. Patience is not our strong point.
I completely agree.

Emeraldstar

I do too.
“to amplify the impatience”
The 8-chans autists absolutely pile on, and THRASH, any poster whining about wanting “Arrests NOW!”
They’re REALLY good about exposing disinfo, of all stripes. I read there enough to have absorbed this attitude (somewhat, anyway), and can usually quickly spot, and ignore, many posts / posters that use these shill tactics.
The autists are quite STRONG, actually – both intellectually, and emotionally / psychologically.
I like ’em!

para59r

Mary Morse above ^ ‘See Chapter II’, when you get there take a quick look down the chart for the fast read and I’m not referring to Q folks even though they under the same pressures.
Meanwhile did I ever tell anyone my favorite horror book author turned out to be trans. No, kind of doubt that I did. I was about 1/4 way finished with most of her books before this became indisputably clear to to me. However she/he wrote horror so well that I set that aside, allows her to be who she wishes and finished everything she wrote and always look forward to more.
Ackkk! There’s more (found when looking for the correct spelling).
Oh sorry, she writes in the HP Lovecraft way. Catlin R. Kiernan and sometimes Kathleen Tierney.
Alas, I don’t have time for these leisure’s of late, normal life being on hold for the moment.
Oh the horror of it all. 🙂

para59r

Hiccup… “No, kind of doubt that I did. I was about 1/4 way finished with most of her books before this became indisputably clear to to me.” not through her writings, she kept it clean of such, rather through research of the author.

SteveInCO

W, I have to admit that I am not seeing things as you do. I do not accept that the DS is throwing up a DISINFORMATION campaign to confuse us. Disinformation works because your target already trusts you. I would be hard pressed to find any Q followers who believe anything from the DS. I grant that it will keep their own troops in line and asleep but that is the primary role of propaganda. The problem for the DS is that we, the patriots, cannot be disinformed. There must be another explanation.

This analysis assumes that the target realizes it’s the Deep State pushing out the disinformation. If the Deep State can arrange for some trusted, or at least not distrusted, individual to present it instead (and there are multiple sneaky ways to do this), then it can work. And I am reasonably certain it has worked in certain instances.

Elizabeth Carter

I have paid a lot of attention to human and drug trafficking over the years. Pizzagate came along but the Franklin Affair was a long time prior to that. President Trump, AG Sessions and Ivanka Trump have gone on a mission to eliminate human trafficking which is the 3rd biggest illegal source of income in the world. These practices have gone on since the beginning of Civilization. Baal worship, human sacrifice etc.
As the DS realized that President Trump was serious, they started the “me too” movement and discussed pedophilia. Me too was a silly mess consisting of “someone made a pass at me 50 years or so ago I think and I want justice”. Pedophilia became someone having sex with a 17 year old. In fact, it is not pedophilia unless the child has not reached puberty. In fact, many of the victims were babies as young as 3 months old. Videos were made of rape, sex, torture and murder and are for sale on the dark web. They are into torture, sex, organ trafficking, cannibalism and prostitution. They are also trafficking humans as laborers.
The reason the DS got out in front of this is to make it seem like it was really not as bad as Christians were making it out to be. They want us to minimize what they have done and forgive them and pretend like it never happened so they can continue this evil. Because we just can’t imagine that a human being would do those things to another human, they hope to get a pass.
Abortion was about young, helpless women, Babies are just blobs and did not feel pain and were just removed. The defenders of abortion don’t get into the facts of ripping babies apart limb from limb, selling their organs, keeping them alive for medical and psychological experiments and many other violent abuses because that reality would terrify people. If a baby is aborted, it is not a citizen and has no rights. They can do anything they want with it and no one can do anything about it. If you abort your child, you better hope they kill it for the child’s sake.
Christians are kind and have compassion. They are not stupid. They just can’t imagine that there are evil people in this world that do things that are not even shown in the grossest horror movies available to normal people.
The point I am making is that the DS leaders try to get in front of the avalanche and try to detour the slide. They know who they are and what they do. Their biggest fear is that they will not be able to hide it much longer and we will see them for who they really are. They have managed to hide it for the last hundred years and they are not going to survive this time.
We are in a major paradigm shift and they are getting exposed now. It is like opening the curtains in the morning on the vampire. They are disintegrating into dust. The process has begun and nothing can restore them now.

Elizabeth Carter

Wolfmoon, Thanks for sharing that. I had not seen it. Ben Garrison does such a great job. Perfect cartoon.

GA/FL

Folks, It really burns me up when I get fooled by fake news – but more angry when it comes from people posing as conservative/right wingers. I especially hate it when people post pics of tweets that turn out not to be actual tweets. I much prefer live link checkable tweets.
For example:
https://twitter.com/DFiveQ/status/1068322125315010560
What do you all know about these two?
Twitter says there is no PatriotRise account.
What about this DFiveQ twitter feed? Are they just antifa never-trump hater trolls/creeps or are they DS leftist/disinformation propaganda creeps?

Linda

Twitter could have removed the PatriotRise account. Their banning of accounts has gained more and more momentum. I just noticed yesterday that Rex’s account has once again been banned. Incidentally, a lot of times people take a picture of the tweet simply because Twitter so often deletes things they don’t like, or the person making the tweet deletes it when it doesn’t go over too well.

GA/FL

I guess we will have to wait and see.

Aubergine

Total meltdown at CTH over the post about this.
I am inclined to see this in a very different way.
Jeff Sessions resigns November 7, Matthew Whitaker is appointed AAG. We know Whitaker is a Trump loyalist. He has been so vocal about it people immediately start screaming “recusal.” He says “forget it.” I am convinced he is on our side.
Whitaker has no legal access to the whistleblower documents in the hands of either House or Senate committees, or in the hands of the I.G. The only way for him to obtain the documents is through the FBI raid. Do I feel sorry for the whistleblower being raided? Yes, but this is war. Whitaker has to know what is in those docs if he is going to fight the war on the Clintons.
Can Whitaker trust Horowitz to do the right thing? The Senate Intel Committee? I think maybe he could trust the House Intel Committee (at least Nunes), but, Schitt is there. Does Whitaker think that information turned over by the whistleblower will be covered up? Sorry, that is a lot of questions, but I have a LOT of questions about this.
If I “trust Sessions,” then I assume that I can trust Huber. Huber now answers to Whitaker. I therefore assume Huber got the information recovered in the raid. If Huber is investigating the Clintons, why didn’t the whistleblower turn the information over to him, rather than Horowitz and the Congress? Huber is the only “unknown” in the whole scenario. Why leave him out? Did the guy just not know about him? Seems unlikely.
The raid on the whistleblower took place on November 19. On November 20, House Republicans called on Huber to testify. Is that coincidental? I doubt it.
Also, why did the attorney for the whistleblower wait until NOW to come out with the story?
All I have right now are questions, with not many answers.

NYGuy54

With no disrespect to Wolf, that was a very sharp comment. That is where I am at.

NYGuy54

Yeah Mueller is a bad dude. I just want to wait and see. You know the implication of the sundance theory is that the DS won and MAGA is over.

NYGuy54

now we wait….

Emeraldstar

I think we haven’t yet spoken directly – so Hello!
“All I have right now are questions, with not many answers.”
Actually, I’ve found that finding out what the right questions are, goes a LONG way toward finding the right answers.
Case in point – I hadn’t thought of the recent raid as something which would benefit the new AAG. It kinda makes sense, from that angle … and it defuses the ire over the tactics used.
Who knows if it’s what’s actually going on? But, by introducing this possibility, it affords us the opportunity to “expand our thinking”, as Q has exhorted us to do.
Good job! I enjoy reading your posts.

Aubergine

Hello, and thank you! And I enjoy reading your posts, too.
I love everyone here. You all make me think hard about things. Just like Q does.

NYGuy54

I just think sundance is totally wrong and it is intentional. He’s throwing shade on us. Again wolf no disrespect to you at all.

NYGuy54

I would love to respond but right now I’m going to go out and have some fun

Alison

I was just going to say the same thing!!
Figuring out the questions to be answered is often far more valuable than reacting to the immediate event. It is sometimes beneficial NOT to immediately read a slew of reactions from commenters until you seek your own counsel on what bigger picture might be missing. If nothing else, it tends to take one’s own knee-jerk down a notch.
These questions are great, Aubergine, as are the entire thread of Wolfie’s post and reader comments. So refreshing to have the negative Nancy’s filtered out while we sort wheat from chaff.
I caught Sylvia’s cold 🙁 so my head’s too stuffed to think right now. But my Bible-related reading today reminds me that we are “ever so limited in our capacity to correct all that is wrong in the world around us”.. and to “ask God what is truly important”… ending with “remember that we are all en route to heaven and to let our problems fade in the Light of eternity.”

Emeraldstar

Thank you Alison – and Hello to you, too!
“I was just going to say the same thing!!”
I confess that I found this nugget of wisdom from one of my favorite TV shows, “Kung Fu”. Not everything said there, philosophically, is right, but enough of it is good that I paid attention. To the point of being able to cite, on the fly, many excellent quotes …
“seek your own counsel”
I was just reflecting, over the past few days, how a good number of the mistakes I’ve made in life can be traced to NOT following my own gut / self-counsel. It’s amazing, isn’t it? How ones own heart and mind is most always the best guide?
Anyway, I hope you feel better soon! There have been a lot of reports, here and locally to me (Northeast), of a nasty cold making the rounds. Doing what I can to NOT get served!
Glad you’re here …

Aubergine

So sorry you are sick!

Sylvia Avery

Sorry you caught the cold. Keep the fluids coming.
I couldn’t bear to actually read the comments to SDs piece, I just skimmed a bit and thought, “No, I don’t want this in my head,” and I just left it.
I am enjoying Wolf’s take on this and all THESE comments. It has made me look at this event from a lot of different angles.

Gil

I found I cant like the commentary lately. I am so glad I asked and found everyone here.

Alison

Welcome Gil. I always enjoyed your comments at the Treehouse. Great to see you here!

Gil

TY! I know I am among friends.

Sylvia Avery

Oh Gil, I’m so glad to see you here! I always looked for your comments!

Gil

Missed you too! I should have asked sooner.

Sylvia Avery

I can’t believe you were able to ask and someone could give you an answer! That’s encouraging.

SteveInCO

Welcome to the Q Tree!

Gil

TY! I asked patrickhenrycensored and he said wolfmoon made a page. Others are interested.

singularZoe

Gil, one of my favourite posters at cth. Sorry you got banned but glad you’re here.

tessa50

Hi, Gil. I saw your comment elsewhere. Not on the tree. I just don’t want to step into this mess going on. I left a comment on the tree when someone asked where all the q people were and simply said they are here. Dropped the link. The comment was removed. From that I just decided to stay away from all the friction. I read many places and enjoy aspects of all. I have dear friends on several blogs and that I hope will continue. I doubt anyone here knows me, as I comment so seldom, but they have welcomed me. It’s always good to see you here, there and elsewhere.

singularZoe

Welcome to you, Tessa.

tessa50

Thank you.

singularZoe

Alison, I pray you feel better soon. Colds no fun at all.

Deplorable Patriot

These thoughts add another dimension to the situation. Thank you.

A Fortiori (@AFortiori16)

Allow me to add an interesting data point to your theory. How are folks inclined to act on these documents responding to the news that House Intel committee chief of staff — Damon Nelson, ex air force, 40ish and a lifelong friend of Devin Nunes — died November 10 “following a brief illness”?