Dear KMAG: 20190811 Open Topic

 


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2nd Amendment Sunday

Well, it’s really quite the hot August and there are a lot of chores to be done around our place. To be honest, the number of really excellent threads inspires me. To not be very wordy. To allow for some strong conversations here…

Let Trump’s Base Speak [on gun control]…


Not to mention the conversations here…

Top 10 Reasons Red Flag Laws Are Bad For America



We are not alone in the fight. We have one another. We have the patriots. We have our Lion PDJT. And we have One greater than every enemy around us.


We have examples of how this works.


So let’s do this!

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cthulhu

We have a weird thing we do where we frequently schedule a subvacation to a vacation. Recently, we were going to do a Vegas vacation and decided to subvacation to Bryce Canyon and Zion for two days. We spent one day at Bryce Canyon…..and for the second day totally blew-off Zion and went to Bryce Canyon again. If you’ve never been there, go — and prepare to be amazed.

cthulhu

…..and the Bryce Canyon photo is gone……

cthulhu

We were thinking “one day Bryce, one day Zion, loop around and back to Vegas.” The drive to Bryce started getting surreal as we approached the park. Y’know the weird rock formations at Disneyland’s “Big Thunder Mine Train” — they were copied from nature. There are outcroppings of red rock with those features a while before you get to the park — and when we were driving across a flat section with chapparal, we spotted some pronghorn grazing about 15 yards off the road.
There are tourist guides and such that describe Bryce, itself — but I’ll just say…..we have been amply rewarded over the years from our “subvacation” quirk, but this extended day-trip from Vegas was one of the most striking.

BAM

33 years ago, we also did a side trip to Bryce. We were almost there when the bearings went out on our VW vanagon. Got towed back to Cedar City, and dropped off at a motel. Everyone we came into contact with was so helpful. We changed hotels the next day, walked a few blocks with our 3 children, all carrying stuff, including the 3 year, old to an older, but nice (and cheaper) motel. After the bearings were fixed we went back up to Bryce Canyon. It is stunningly beautiful. That was part of a very memorable vacation.

cthulhu
cthulhu

OK, it’s only referenced on the main page, but not in the post — in the post, it’s only the header. I’ll just go sit in the corner and rock.

cthulhu

Thank you for a lovely post, T3 — I just went zoink on that first image because it brought up happy memories. And thank you for the additional images — believe me, in daylight, the earth is as scenic as the sky photos at night.
Should any of you find occasion to visit — and I hope you do — be aware of one subtle thing. The rim of the canyon is on a plateau at about 10,000 feet. If you are used to hiking trails that go between 1000 feet and 1200 feet and back, doing a trail that goes from 10,000 feet to 9,800 feet and back feels about the same……if you were hauling a 60 lb. sack of sand. You don’t feel the altitude standing still, but climbing requires effort that you might not expect.

pgroup

And bring your Imogen portable oxygen concentrator.

Cuppa Covfefe

Reminds me of the old days of carburetors and non-electronic ignition, where we’d have to de-tune the motor when driving through the “high country”… Ahhh, those were the days 🙂
(Rabbit Ears Pass, for one)…

thetinfoilhatsociety

You need 3 months not one week.

NYGuy54

love this stuff..thx T3

B.b.S.s.Saint

Glad to see you are doing OK and stopped by the prayer wall at Marica’s. God is good all the time!

NYGuy54

Doing great. Very thankful for that.

B.b.S.s.Saint

That is a big AMEN!

drillerelite

I used to live about an hour from Bryce canyon, it is breathtaking

kea

Here It Is… Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died Mysteriously or Committed Suicide Before Testimony, Including Jeffrey Epstein
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/here-it-is-complete-list-of-clinton-associates-who-allegedly-died-mysteriously-or-committed-suicide-before-testimony-including-jeffrey-epstein/
I’m sure the list is much longer.

kea

https://twitter.com/TrueEyeTheSpy/status/1160269855800680448

Now I’m off to bed. Great post by the way T3!! 🙂

mandy

The people are being manipulated so badly, it’s truly evil what those who run the media are doing.

wheatietoo

Beautiful Header Picture, TTT.
Love it.
😀🥰👍
Great thread post, too…2nd Amendment Sunday, indeed.
It is sooo important!
It’s the cornerstone that our Freedoms depend on.

wheatietoo

“The 1st Amendment…is backed up by the 2nd Amendment.”
https://twitter.com/mel_faith1/status/1160142160009814016?s=20

wolfmoon1776

And remember that the SECOND is backed up by the FIRST AMENDMENT!
THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS THE NRA’S BIGGEST WEAPON!
THE NRA *IS* A FIRST AMENDMENT ORGANIZATION BACKING UP THE SECOND
AND WE MUST *NEVER* *EVER* ALLOW *ANY* LEGAL SPEECH
TO BE USED AS A REASON TO INFRINGE
ON OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS
Republicans must MAKE SURE THAT ANY RED FLAG LAW…..
– PROTECTS ALL THINGS PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT
– EXPLICITLY PROTECTS ALL LEGAL SPEECH, INCLUDING “HATE”
– EXPLICITLY PROTECTS ALL RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR BELIEFS
– EXPLICITLY PROTECTS ALL LEGAL ASSOCIATIONS
– EXPLICITLY PROTECTS ALL LEGAL ACTIVITIES
– ALLOWS PUNITIVE DAMAGES FOR ABUSE

wolfmoon1776

In fact, any “red flag law” which infringes on our First Amendment rights by allowing IMPLICIT COUPLING of FIRST AMENDMENT INFRINGEMENTS to “granting” of SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS must be declared unconstitutional.
Red Flag laws must EXPLICITLY PROTECT THE FIRST AMENDMENT, or be regarded as IMPLICITLY BIASED AGAINST IT.
There we go. “IMPLICIT BIAS” works for US, too!!!

mandy

WTF is this shit “LEGAL SPEECH.”
That, sir, is another CAVE.

Cuppa Covfefe

Legalese.
Look it up.

cthulhu

Incidentally……
(1) regarding natural wonders, Oregon’s Silver Falls State Park is utterly mind-boggling, and almost certainly is the inspiration for a whole bunch of Disney. It features “The Trail of Ten Falls” which is an aggressive day but passes 10 real waterfalls — about half of which it goes behind. https://oregonstateparks.org/index.cfm?do=parkPage.dsp_parkPubs&parkId=151 — and recommended for anyone’s bucket list. Just don’t go there when it is raining or you can get your silly a** killed.
(2) regarding subvacations, we had an awesome one where we took the train to Edinburgh from London. I’d first visited London when I was 15-years-old (’78?) with a college group, and two of the girls in our group did that. When they rejoined the group, they were so stoked at having had such a great experience……now, mind you, many of us who remained in london also had great experiences…..
(3) you can also plan a trip where the subvacation is really the driver. We structured a trip to Saint Petersburg, Russia, for 10 days as a subvacation to a trip to London in 2008. This let us deal with a lot of the international hassles/jet lag/currency exchanges/luggage issues/laundry in a relatively known and benign environment and really enhanced the time we spent in St. P. When the Icelandic volcano eruption disrupted air traffic in Scandinavia, it also gave us options for doing a graceful exit.
A major part of the subvacation thing is that there are so many places that you wouldn’t travel 3000 miles to see, but that you might travel 200 miles to see. So if you are going to travel 3000 miles anyway, shouldn’t you visit all the things within 200 miles of that, since you’ve already spent the money?

wheatietoo

Yes…and there are also lots of beautiful places here in the US to travel to.
Even Oklahoma has them:comment imagecomment imagecomment imagecomment imagecomment image

cthulhu

Suggestion for weekly thread — “what special places do you know?”

andyocoregon

I’ve always maintained there are plenty of interesting places to vacation right here in the United States and that includes Alaska and Hawaii. There is no need to travel to Europe or Asia to experience wonderful sights and meet interesting people. And anyone who voluntarily travels to Africa, well, good luck with that.

cthulhu

Saturday night, I was attending a talk by Ad Konings at the Pacific Coast Cichlid Association regarding the haplochromines of Lake Tanganyika. Lake T is the sixth largest, second deepest, and second oldest lake on the planet. There have been several instances where the lake’s water level has declined to where there are two or three independent basins — which has contributed to the fantastic level of speciation within the lake. There are more different types of fish found only in this one lake than in the entire Atlantic Ocean. (Not to get too cocky — there are more types of fish found within the Amazon River basin than the Atlantic, as well.) Lake T has sponges, crabs, and jellyfish found nowhere else.
Africa gets a bad rap as a travel destination because humans evolved there along with several carnivores and parasites, and these creatures have a genetic disposition to continue to regard us as food.
Mind you, I might well react to you travelling to Mali with, “are you out of your mind?” But there are many places in Africa that I’d love to visit.

Teagan

Cthulhu…ironically, i’ve Been ALL the places you’ve Just mentioned (although it sounds as though you may have had a bit more fun on a few of them! (Did the London to Edinburgh trip with my mother, for example! LOL)
Grew up near Silver Falls Park..just took it’s beauty for granted at the time. Any of you still buying “real” Christmas trees…take a look at the tag next time. It may have come from Silverton, Oregon, location of the Park. The harvest with helicopters!
Although I don’t travel as much as I once did, I always have a couple of “rules”…one, is that I look upon the trip as though I may never have the opportunity to return so I should take full advantage of it (subvacations). I will not miss that extra few hundred dollars a year from now by paying for a side trip nearby.
And, second, along those same lines…I make the trip long enough to make the expense worthwhile. If the plane fare to Tokyo is $1500, i’m definitely not going for a week. I took shorter vacation trips when I had limited vacation days and saved the longer one when I had more control of my time.

cthulhu

We all take where we are for granted, while there are wonders all around us. California has the world’s tallest tree (coast redwood, seen [now fallen]), the world’s oldest tree (bristlecone pine, not seen), the world’s most voluminous tree (sequoia, not seen), the world’s largest animal (blue whale, not seen), the nation’s lowest point (Death Valley, not seen), the highest point in the lower 48 (Mt. Whitney — seen, not summitted)…….and most of its inhabitants wander around aimlessly, texting with their eyes on their phone screens.

cthulhu

When you assess things realistically, all of God’s creation is a delightful wonder.

Sadie Slays

Youtube is doing weird things to Tucker Carlson videos. If you search for “Tucker Carlson 8/9/19”, every video in the search results is only 0:01 long. If you change the date to 8/719 or 8/8/19, you get the same 0:01 videos. If you search for just “Tucker Carlson,” you get the usual fake news complaining about him.

wheatietoo

Yep, I’ve noticed this too, Sadie.

pgroup

That happened to me with Rush but only one time. I use my Windows XP notebook to download vids at the local Subway which has hi-speed internet.

Dora

This is a happy story. Just 2 years ago federal officials were making plans to euthanize the wild horses and burros.
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Long Island Advocates Optimistic That Federal Agency Considering Rewilding Wild Horsescomment image
Long Island-based animal advocates working to save troubled wild horses out West are optimistic now that a recently passed federal spending measure includes a provision for rewilding, or returning wild horses to nature.
https://www.longislandpress.com/2019/08/09/long-island-advocates-optimistic-that-federal-agency-considering-rewilding-wild-horses/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

pgroup

So if they compete with cattle, or cause property damage, then private citizens get to do the culling. Clever.
I seem to remember that those ‘wild horses’ are not indigenous to The West. Not sure though.

NebraskaFilly

They were brought here by the Spaniards.
https://www.answers.com/Q/Who_brought_the_first_horses_to_the_US
Then again…..maybe not?
“Modern horses, zebras, and asses belong to the genus Equus, the only surviving genus in a once diverse family, the Equidae. Based on fossil records, the genus appears to have originated in North America about 4 million years ago and spread to Eurasia (presumably by crossing the Bering land bridge) 2 to 3 million years ago. Following that original emigration, there were additional westward migrations to Asia and return migrations back to North America, as well as several extinctions of Equus species in North America.
The last prehistoric North American horses died out between 13,000 and 11,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene, but by then Equus had spread to Asia, Europe, and Africa.
Animals that on paleontological grounds could be recognized as subspecies of the modern horse originated in North America between 1 million and 2 million years ago. When Linnaeus coined the species name, E. caballus, however, he only had the domesticated animal in mind. Its closest wild ancestor may have been the tarpan, often classified as E. ferus; there is no evidence, though, that the tarpan was a different species. In any case the domesticated horse probably did not arise at a single place and time, but was bred from several wild varieties by Eurasian herders.”
https://www.livescience.com/9589-surprising-history-america-wild-horses.html

andyocoregon
kalbokalbs

Wild horses, burros…quite common in Nevada. An estimated 2,000 roam Lyon county.
Last Sunday heading out to plink in the desert, slowed for a small herd of sorts…comment image
Below pic a few months back as I headed out to the desert….comment image
Horses are good neighbors, although they never clean up after themselves;-)
All pretty cool by me.

GA/FL

Composted horse manure is great for roses, so I hear. I guess you could call those horse droppings love gifts.

Teagan

Any of you old enough to remember traveling circuses? When they came into a town, people would line up with various containers/bags to get the elephant manure for their gardens.
Now,..who knows if it was really true about it being great for the flowers but it was very clever psyops on the part of circus management so they didn’t have to pay for the animal poop to be hauled away. Heh heh
A bit OT, but I saw the sea weed problems they are having in Miami right now. Again, sea weed is very common on the coasts of the NW and in years past, people would take trash bags to the beach to gather seaweed for their gardens.
If you take the commuter train into Santa Fe, chances are you’ll see herds of wild horses in the countryside. Beautiful sight!

churchmouse
GA/FL

Whappp!!!!

churchmouse

PDJT on Scaramucci. He’s not terribly happy:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1160382092930408449

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋

Soooo glad he bitch-slapped the Mooch!! He got too big for his two-faced britches. He can go back to the View and cry with the hags!!

GA/FL

Yesterday, another zebra butterfly came to my garden.
Today, an orange butterflycomment image
…and a little pair of Sulphur butterflies are back – These migrate from South America. They come to my flower beds every year. Sometimes they land on my hands when I’m working out in the yard.comment image

GA/FL

When the sulphur butterflies come, Fall will soon be in the air. I sure hope so – this summer has been so hot and humid.

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋

All the climate screechers can kiss my grits!! This has actually been one of the “coolest” summers we’ve had in many many years!! We had unusual weekly rain showers in June and July. And it officially hasn’t hit 100 yet in mid August! We normally see 100+ in July, continuing through September. So I am not complaining (as much), nor am I jumping on the global freeze bandwagon!!😊😊

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋

BEAUTIFUL GF!! 😍😍😍 I actually caught a glimpse from a 30ft distance of my huge yellow and smaller orange “cousins” last Friday! 😉

churchmouse

Abso-fruitin-lutely.

churchmouse
wolfmoon1776

I LOVE THIS MAN – HE FIGHTS!

churchmouse

TOTALLY!

crossthread42

GOOD MORNING
The Misses & I are beyond Humbled ..
We “reached” Our Goal with your Help Dear Lord.
Friends, that We’ve never met in Person, restoring our Faith in Humanity AND #America for Which She Stands..
Oh Dear Lord, I kneel, before You.. I am coming to realise how dangerous pride is in the life of a believer and how important true, godly humility is to the heart of God.
AMEN
David & Angie

Nor'easter

crossthread42,
Can you please re-post the go fund me link?

pgroup

Your faith has rewarded you.

bakocarl

. . . and us.

andyocoregon

I’m still waiting for someone to send me a million dollars. Are there no magnanimous multi-billionaires on this blog willing to make my day?

pgroup

No. Try OT.

GA/FL

Perfect! LOLOL!!!!

andyocoregon

I would, but I’m banned from there, ha ha.

smiley2

hi honey there you are again…the Million Dollar Man, lol…
but you got to speak up about it…sometimes you got to…comment image
😀 <3
and…remember to call me .

andyocoregon

“The squeaky wheel gets the grease”
“If you don’t ask, you’ll never know”
“You Have Not Because You Ask Not”
“Money – that’s what I want”

crossthread42

Andy, please send Me a personal E-mail crossthread @ ec(dot) rr .com ..

andyocoregon

You’ve got mail. Sent at 4:32 pm PDT.

duchess01

Verse of the Day

“…I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.”
2 Timothy 1:12 (KJV)

duchess01

comment image

duchess01

Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!

B.b.S.s.Saint

Amen and so many answered! Thank you Lord for Your provision for David and Angie.

duchess01

Amen and Hallelujah!!!

duchess01

comment image

duchess01

Sunday Blessings in the Bin – Please – Thanks!

wolfmoon1776

Looks like they got through below – sorry – not me, I promise!

duchess01

NP, wolf – I can guarantee the Sunday Blessings land in the bin – why? satan hates God blessing us!

JasonD

Respect for the rule of law is just about gone ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dNZyls7F4U

thetinfoilhatsociety

It’s quite sad that a Canadian citizen has to point this out.

duchess01

Jesus Loves Babies…Pray for the Unborncomment image
Jesus Loves the Little Children…Pray for the Little Childrencomment image
Jesus Loves You…Run to Himcomment image

bakocarl

Much better third picture!
“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

duchess01

Thanks, carl – it was requested – beautiful scripture verse – a poem in the offing?
God Bless You!!!

duchess01

RUN TO JESUS – FRANCESCA BATTISTELLI – 04/05/2019

mandy
duchess01

Another good one, mandy! Thanks for posting!!!
God Bless You!!!

mandy

🙂

singingsoul1

Amen and so true.

andyocoregon

Jesus!

GA/FL

Heat Index™ in N FL today – 111 degrees and tomorrow 110 – that is just summer weather – not Climate Change™
Back in the old days, before the official Heat Index, we just called it Hot N’ Humid with scattered afternoon and evening thunderstorms!

NebraskaFilly

Weird weather here in NE – some of the leaves on my cottonwood tree are already turning!!!! Projected high over the next few days only 80 and down to 58 for Tuesday night. This is NOT a typical Nebraska August!!!!

GA/FL

The weather changes. I wore wool clothes about 10 years ago in S GA and N FL, but not the past year or two.

NebraskaFilly

Clearly. We don’t get nearly the amounts of snow we did when I was growing up.

Dora

It was in the fifties on Long Island this morning. Not exactly the “Dog Days”.

Deplorable Patriot

In STL, it’s been far more temperate than not this year. Hot and humid, but not over 100 degrees with 90% humidity and haze. It’s a nice break, actually.

Dora

OMG! Is he playing the role of Pope?

Dora

I love this man. 🙂

nikkichico7

Ok Dickie, can you bark like a chihuahua at your masters command … 😑🤚 🤢 …comment image
Stuff it ..

Dora

Both democrats and republicans are doing a lot of traveling this year. I wonder how much it cost us so far.

pgroup

It’s expensive to keep them out of our hair. But is it worth the price, for temporary peace of mind? YMMV.

Dora

You have a point. 🙂

Concerned Virginian

Looks like LOTS of the comments on the Twitter feed are ROASTING McCarthy for taking yet another boondoggle trip that WE, THE PEOPLE, are paying for.
I wonder if he invited “OMAR”ELMI and TLAIB to go on this trip. Ha!

Teagan

They are probably with Pelosi in Honduras right now. Sandy Cortez, as she was previously known before transforming into her AOC persona, can interpret for them.

NYGuy54

So with anti-semitism surging in the US, a trip to Israel by leadership bothers you?

NYGuy54

To be clear, the surge is coming from the left.

NYGuy54

Cloward Piven technique to demoralize the population and pit us against each other.

andyocoregon

I hope they’re staying away from the Jerusalem Old City area where there have been serious clashes between moslems and Jews.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/muslim-worshippers-clash-israeli-police-jerusalem-holy-site-n1041161

singingsoul1

andyocoregon
“I hope they’re staying away from the Jerusalem Old City area where there have been serious clashes between moslems and Jews.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/muslim-worshippers-clash-israeli-police-jerusalem-holy-site-n1041161
_______________________________________________
Maybe they need to go there and visit to see first hand what Jews go through every single day in their own contry.

andyocoregon

They’d better where kevlar helmets and ballistic vests.

andyocoregon

“wear”

GA/FL

Shalom!!!
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob,
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For pout of Zion shall go forth the law,1
and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
~~~
The LORD bless you from Zion!
May you see mthe prosperity of Jerusalem
all the days of your life!
May you see your nchildren’s children!
oPeace be upon Israel!
~~~
May all who hate Zion
be wput to shame and turned backward!
Let them be like xthe grass on the housetops,
which ywithers before it grows up,
with which the reaper does not fill his hand
nor the binder of sheaves his arms,
nor do those who pass by say,
“The blessing of the LORD be upon you!
We bbless you in the name of the LORD!”
Isaiah 2:3, Psalm 128, 129

kalbokalbs

Uniparty ought to visit their Districts / States for the entire vacation AND listen to We The People..
but no, they vacation around the globe…D-Rats and RepubliCONs alike.

NebraskaFilly

Last night, I posted some info from Diana West about AG Barr. I would like input from y’all – does it sound credible? Supposedly, this Terry what’s-his-name has been deemed credible by her and others. Will post the link again for those who didn’t read it:
http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3823/Deep-State-Rides-Again.aspx

JasonD

Sounds credible, does not mean it is true. Who the hell knows what is true, anyway?
Bill Barr is inept for allowing Epstein’s death. That is my current position, until hard facts emerge to change my mind. Of course, it is more likely that he is corrupt than inept, but I will give him the benefit of that doubt for the time being …

andyocoregon

I fully agree with you about A.G. Barr, but I do accept the fact Epstein is dead. There should be an autopsy soon and it will be interesting to see if they discover hand marks on his neck again.

singingsoul1

JasonD
“Bill Barr is inept for allowing Epstein’s death. That is my current position, until hard facts emerge to change my mind. Of course, it is more likely that he is corrupt than inept, but I will give him the benefit of that doubt for the time being …”
_________________________________________-
How is Barr inept that Epstein died?
What about if all the rules were in place and some underling was bribed or is mafia who got bribed and Epstein was killed or killed himself or had an heat attack.
Barr is not sitting in NYC overseeing Epstein he has to rely on people who are employed. The dirty offices were there before Barr got there maybe as long as the mafia has been in NYC.
Someone was prepared to take the hit and Barr has to find out who.
He is dealing with a corrupt FBI, DOJ and other Federal officials.
The system is broken was broken before POTUS got there before Barr got there.
I give Barr the befit until I see otherwise.

JasonD

It is easy to be a keyboard warrior and criticise others, as I have done. I am fully aware of this. Barr is the head of a critical institution that is in crisis – he has acknowledged this by appointing investigators to investigate Spygate.
Epstein was the biggest arrest with potential ties to one of the major sources DOJ corruption. POTUS himself pointed to Epstein BEFORE he was even elected. We all here knew this. We here also KNEW that Epstein was at risk, especially after the first attempt. Barr, as the head of the DOJ, oversaw this CATASTROPHIC failure of the DOJ.
I do not blame POTUS. He was constrained in his possible appointees in that they had to be confirmed by the Senate Oversight committee. The fact that Barr was acceptable to Senators Burr and Warner is all one has to know about Barr. POTUS is playing against a stacked deck – I forgot HOW stacked it was.

Tonawanda

If true, the Barr appointment and other similar appointments suggest either that Trump’s allies in military intelligence were not as savvy as previously thought, or that for practical political purposes Trump has been forced to accept enemies into his administration and hoped to finesse them.

NebraskaFilly

Personally, I would vote for the latter. I just can’t see people like Tony Shaffer being unaware of this or someone like ADM Rogers.

Linda

I seem to remember Q saying that there are some who were forced to do things in the past they didn’t want to do and are now working to destroy those who put them in that situation. Think about what people will do when their family is threatened. The cabal knows how to push people’s buttons.

Teagan

This was my thought in regards to the latest potential “shooter” at a Walmart in Missouri. Turns out he has a Ukranian/Russian name. He just became a father a few days prior to the incident. He gave no resistance to being arrested at all. I’ve not read about any hate groups, manifesto, Antifa-related activity. AND, there has been no follow-up stories at all!
My personal suspicious cat tells me there’s a very good chance he was threatened/blackmailed (new baby and wife?) and forced to do this to continue the current narrative by the left. Guess after Epstein’s death they no longer needed the “look,,squirrel!” distraction. Just a gut feeling, but goes along with your comments, Linda.

pgroup

He sure didn’t act like a crazed mass murderer IMO.

Deplorable Patriot

Revenge, or getting to set things right. I would imagine Barr would be in that position given that he left public service for as long as he did.

NebraskaFilly

I am floundering here and would appreciate your insight. Hell, I don’t know WHAT to believe any more! IF this is true about Barr, we are sooooo royally screwed!

NebraskaFilly

TY

TheseTruths

Diana West is an excellent writer, but I am turned off by her tone in that piece.
Yes, that William P. Barr, the man now poised to become Donald Trump’s Attorney General if he can just pledge deep enough fealty before the U.S. Senate to an unelected and unaccounatble super-dirty super-cop and Barr best friend, Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
Pres. Trump had a true-blue conservative in Jeff Sessions, and he didn’t get the full job done. I personally am not qualified to pick the right person for the job of AG. I know that, during the campaign, Trump said he knows some people who are maybe not the best, but they can get the job done (whatever the job is). He is a master at using people for specific purposes.
IMO, if we wait for the perfect person to come along, we wait forever. This was evident during the campaign as well when Trump wasn’t “conservative enough” or “Christian enough” or even experienced enough. Yet he was the right person. For me, it comes down to whether I trust the decisions he is making, and I do.

BAM

Found a video “interview” of Terry Reed, it appears to be a little older. I deliberately put the quotes around interview. It sounds like the interviewer’s part is dubbed in. It is interesting though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H01_dY6atfc

NebraskaFilly

TY

BAM

YW!

A Fortiori

I haven’t read the West piece, but with what PDJT is trying to accomplish, Attorney General would be one of the most important jobs in his administration. PDJT would not have been successful in his prior life, and will not be successful in his current job, if he cannot hire the right people. I therefore trust Barr because PDJT hired him.
That said, I also think it is entirely possible that the rumor swirling around when the envelopes were handed out at George Bush’s funeral may have some credence — namely that PDJT cut a deal with W to obtain W’s cooperation, that a component of that deal protects people who are important to W, and that Barr was hired in part to ensure that PDJT holds up his end of the deal. Following this logic, Barr may not pursue some deep state actors as vigorously as we would like because they are being protected in order to allow a path to confront bigger and more important deep state actors.

NebraskaFilly

This is true – I do trust PDJT so I will adopt a wait-and-see position – again.
I must admit – in no way was I prepared for this wild ride when I jumped on-board the Trump Train. SMH – in spite of everything I have learned over the years, I am still fully capable of being shocked. The depth and breadth of the evil is just so hard to comprehend…..and I have always had a problem dealing with “gray” areas. In my mind, something is either right or it is wrong, with no in-between. Unfortunately, that is not how the world works – if only it truly were so simple.

Teagan

I hear you, NF….perhaps we were raised too trusting of others. I was alluding to this in an earlier post.
Grew up in a very rural, multi-generational farming community where you went through 12 years of school with the same families and you relied on each other. Sure, there were “warts” but everyone knew about them and made allowances.
Contrast my hubby grew up in a NE city with lots of ethnic “turf” and it was not the survival against nature and the land but rather survival in a city. You didn’t trust nor rely on many, other than “my people.” You often lived a driveway apart from your neighbors for 30 years but you were never in each other’s houses.
Makes it difficult to deal with those grey areas you speak of and the complexities of politics. Kind of makes me wish I was back on the farm, at times! That’s why those recent magnificent photos of Montana, Utah and the beauty and simplicity of nature makes my heart yearn.

NebraskaFilly

That is why I bought a home here – even Norfolk is too big for me now.
I know exactly what you mean about living a driveway apart. We lived next door to a couple in Manassas for 2 years and I never once even saw them! I grew up just as you did – my A-Mom was a long-time, well-loved teacher (1st & 2nd grade) and my A-Dad was a mail carrier, then later Postmaster in Wayne, NE.
Still, to this day, literally everywhere I go, at some point, I run into someone who knows someone in one of my families, whether birth or adopted. It is inevitable! Had someone come into the store last week who knew my long-estranged cousin from Leigh, NE. In fact, he was the one who told me that my aunt had died in March of this year. She was the last (and the oldest) of 4 kids.
Something else kind of weird – of those 4 kids, only one had children who were very successful (minister, parochial school teacher, etc.) and also had children of their own.
Truly a small, small world in small-town NE!

pgroup

It WAS that simple in the Garden of Eden … and they still messed it up. Humans can screw ANYTHING up, if they so desire.

CM in TN

I have heard this before. My aunt sent me an article a while back when he was first nominated, but I no longer have the link. I just take a wait and see approach. It could very well be true, but I am more interested in what he does here and now. Trust, but verify.

NebraskaFilly

TY for the input. It all helps me to get back on an even keel again.

NebraskaFilly

Hmmm….OANN discussion on Epstein – brought up the point that the government can now no longer attach his assets!

wolfmoon1776

Very interesting!
OANN is a godsend! So much great stuff on there!

Tonawanda

The death of Epstein was a huge demoralizing event for our side.
The death sent three unmistakable messages:
1) Justice for the elites will not be done;
2) Trump is not in control;
3) The elites arrogantly and disdainfully control the illusions which control our country.
The stark fact now is one of timing. There are 15 months until the election, which is a lot of time for a lot to happen.
But how much time is there for “something” to happen which definitively changes the equation in our favor?
I don’t know how much time that is, and theoretically it could be up until the eve of the election. More realistically, it would seem to be much sooner.
The famous 5m 48s statement of Trump posted in each of Wolf’s threads is the animating spirit behind the unique movement of Deplorables.
With Epstein, the perception of progress toward our goals has moved beyond “nothing is happening.” Now the perception is one of losing, leaving us with Perils of Pauline speculation. And maybe the Perils of Pauline is the movie we are watching, or maybe not.
Particularly worrisome are the many failed appointments, which may be and probably are perfectly explainable from a practical political point of view, but nonetheless reflect the actual reality, regardless of why. I read the condemnation of Scaramucci, for instance, and somehow the accepted “temporary hatchet man” explanation pales.
Things may look completely different tomorrow, for some reason.
But if the animating spirit of the Deplorable Movement is not revived, then the millions who uniquely voted because of the hope that their vote for this one instance now actually seemed to count, will have no reason to vote again.

JasonD

Yup, better laid out than I have.
To not at least have secured some sections of the DOJ by now is very demoralising. I don’t have the honour of being an American, and thus cannot vote, so I imagine my mood pales in comparison to patriotic Americans.
You continue to have my best wishes and support, for what little it is worth. The battle continues. Although the outcome was never assured, Q led us to believe that things were under some sort of control – that fairy tale will no longer fly …
Statements like “These people are stupid” and “We have it all” now looks to me like psy-ops directed AGAINST us …
The honey badger? Yah, right. It is apparently “appalled” …

NebraskaFilly

Well, I’m not ready to throw in the towel yet……I am not going to quit or give up, nor am I giving up on QAnon…..for now.

JasonD

I’m not giving up – I think I kinda implied that. Q can go and suck eggs until HARD facts emerge.

wolfmoon1776

We’re gonna take some hits.
All of my theories of Q and Epstein are well-represented by “The Keystone fall out first, and FALL IT DID”. Whether it shattered on the ground, got moved to GITMO, or traded to Israel, it fell out and it’s gone.
BUT – and this is critical – we finally took it down. Huge operation.
If we traded him away, I hope it was for something amazing. I suspect we got more than just his control tapes.
If he’s dead, then we are going to have one huge hammer against Deep State and their assets. The key (COUGH) is making it public. BURN THEM BAD. Use the left to burn the left. BONFIRE OF THEIR VANITY.

JasonD

Sure, at least he got charged. That is something which would not have happened under another POTUS.
The joys of low expectations …
My admiration for Trump is undiminished. My admiration for his appointed officers has taken a massive hit. There would seem to be not enough good people to go around.
Keep up the good work, much appreciated 🙂

TheseTruths

I’m confused. You say, “My admiration for Trump is undiminished.” But on the Epstein thread, you said, “Trump is now running for re-election, which requires that he must be able to demonstrate that he in in charge of the Executive branch. That he is unable to demonstrate this at this LATE stage is a massive failure …” https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/08/10/jeffrey-epstein-meets-elvis-presley/comment-page-2/#comment-227731
I don’t see how thinking Pres. Trump is unable to demonstrate he is in charge of the Executive branch and that he has presided over a massive failure can be done with undiminished admiration.

JasonD

It is a massive failure of America – as a whole. I do not blame PDJT. At the time I wrote that, I had forgotten something crucial – that Barr had been approved by the Senate Judiciary Oversight committee headed up by the august Senators Burr and Warner.
POTUS is playing against a stacked deck and I forgot that Barr was one of the potentially marked cards. The Epstein fiasco all but confirms that Barr is compromised in some respect …

NebraskaFilly

It certainly gets tiresome being jerked back and forth, willy-nilly. Sometimes I just want to tear my hair out – it all leads one to be suspicious about literally everything! My poor, simple mind just can’t keep up with it all!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply YOU were giving up but there are a LOT of people who just can’t begin to comprehend what is really happening and they reach overload very quickly. Stopped into the store where I work yesterday and my co-worker didn’t even KNOW who Epstein was!!!! And she doesn’t WANT to know! It is SOOOOO frustrating!

Tonawanda

I don’t believe anyone at QTH is anywhere close to quitting, giving up, or doubting either VSG or Q, nor do those things logically follow from an acknowledgement that MAYBE, apparently, the enemy has scored an incredible victory with Epstein’s death.

NebraskaFilly

I apologize – I am speaking from my inner frustration at all this BULL SHYTE!!!! This stuff about Barr has me reeling, TBH.

Tonawanda

Completely understandable! There is never a need (IMO) for NebraskaFilly to apologize for her interesting and respected posts!
My immediate reaction to Barr’s appointment was: you gotta be kiddin’ me. They he seemed to be OK. Now he appears to be who I thought he was (a Bush operative, through and through), although I could very well be wrong.

NebraskaFilly

LOL – unless someone is triggered! Then all holds are off! SMH

singingsoul1

My investment is in POTUS and the rest are all side kicks to me. This keeps me from emotional overload and I am able to detach myself.
Than there is my faith that is deep rooted insofar that not much shakes me.
I learned many years ago from a mentor not to emotional invest in things that are not in my control.
I have no control what Barr does or any of the other actors in government but I have control for whom I can vote.
I did not create any situation concerning Epstein his death or how Barr deals with the issue.
That comes then back to faith and hope and patience. I cannot say what would do because am not them.
I truly believe in heart that light overcomes darkness not of my timing but of God’s. “All will be well”

Deplorable Patriot

Amazing. Q said “they” wanted us divided. That’s exactly what is happening.
First off, legal minds have pointed out that with Epstein legally dead, whether he is or in some sort of legal protection safe house, the government has free reign to go through his assets at will. They no longer need a warrant or anything else.
Secondly, never forget that what we see/hear on the “news” is what somebody out there wants us to “know.” There’s a good chance this is a fabricated ruse to provoke a move from the other side. Likely…your guess is as good as mine, but I no longer believe that the truth is being broadcast by the mainstream media other than via Freudian slip.
Third, our side really should be claiming victory of sorts with the news of Epstein’s “suicide”. That method of death is being questioned as never before by people on all sides. Simply, more do not believe that news than do.
Fourth, the question really should be asked to what end such a high profile prisoner was being held in Manhattan rather than, say, Leavenworth. I’m now of the belief he may well have been bait for some sort of trap.
That being the case, I’m wondering if this is not watching meme theory being played out a la The Big Bang Theory episode. Two characters plant two stories among their friends and see which one spreads the fastest. Of course, it was the more outrageous of the two. “Jeffrey Epstein is dead” will be believed a lot faster regardless of method than he’s being held at an undisclosed location awaiting the next moves.

Tonawanda

Epstein’s death, or his life for that matter, is IMO totally irrelevant to the evidence collected from his home for anyone (meaning, most likely everyone except Epstein) did not have an expectation of privacy in the areas searched.
And second, Perils of Pauline may in fact be the movie we are watching, but whether it is or is not is a matter of sheer speculation.

andyocoregon

One beneficial aspect of his untimely death is now there can be no 4th Amendment challenge to the collection of evidence from his estate. He relinquished all his Constitutional Rights when he died.

Tonawanda

IMO there was never any search and seizure 4th Am rights which affected anybody but Epstein. What was obtained (IMO), for anyone but Epstein, does not affect anyone but Epstein.
It’s not a big deal, but the discussion about the effect of Epstein’s death on the utility of the evidence is totally irrelevant.

B.b.S.s.Saint

Off topic…but I wanted to catch you.Tonawanda, was it you that posted about the Shroud of Turin awhile back? If it was not you I am sorry for not getting the person correctly named. Anyway if it was you, I wanted to say I appreciated your in sights. Have you seen this?

singingsoul1

We only can be divided if we let them. We have choices.

Tonawanda

“Have you been outdoors in fresh air much lately?”
Lol … not sure what you mean!

mandy

I see no possibility of reviving that spirit. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: MILLIONS see Trump as having BETRAYED THEM. Betrayal is not something easily repaired.

mandy

*We* aren’t.
2020? Probably.

TheseTruths

Yup, doomed. 😩 But…
These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. – Thomas Paine, Dec. 23, 1776
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/c-01.htm

NYGuy54

lol..pretty good description..just like Wolf’s rollercoaster ride

mandy

“Patriotism” is the last refuge of a SCOUNDREL.”

TheseTruths

For a discussion of why that phrase should not be used lightly, without context, and of how it was being used against false patriotism, see here:
https://www.samueljohnson.com/qotw02q2.html#0630
If you think of patriotism as a negative, what do you believe in?

nikkichico7

.. 😫 …

😐

NebraskaFilly

WADR, then you aren’t “seeing” clearly. JMO – and yes, I do believe 2020 will be a landslide for PDJT!

mandy

I really want to understand how it is that some of you believe the loss of chunks of his base don’t matter at all WRT 2020. It was really close last time in multiple states.
Gaining a few percentage points amongst SMALL GROUPS (ie, black and hispanic voters) can’t make up for LOSING ground in the much LARGER group (original base).
So what IS it that y’all believe makes for a landslide in 2020? I don’t see anything even close to that coming to fruition.

NebraskaFilly

“It’s the economy, stupid.” PLEASE – I am NOT calling YOU stupid. But it truly does boil down to the economy overall, as well as immigration, and he is batting it out of the park on those issues, as well as others. The judges alone make it entirely worthwhile to have elected him!
I just think you are wrong about “losing a chunk of his base.” What he does with these Red Flag laws could make a big difference, however. I do have faith in PDJT that he will do his utmost to ensure ALL of our rights are protected.

Volgarian8301

What chunks of the base have been lost? Who are they gonna vote for….Kamala?….Bernie? 🙄
The base isn’t going anywhere except back for 4 more years

mandy

They’re not going to vote. At all.

andyocoregon

Is that what your crystal ball told you, oh great fortune teller?

Aubergine

You are conflating your own negativity with the mood of the electorate. I haven’t spoken to ANY Trump 2016 voter who doesn’t plan to vote for him in 2020.

Deplorable Patriot

The conspiracy boards told of vote fraud on election night to the tune of five states were outright stolen. When “they” went to steal Pennsylvania, they were stopped.
The internal polling in 2016 said landslide, hence Hillary’s team cancelling the fireworks show the day before the election. I think 2020 will be another victory, the question is how much is going to come out in the 15 months we have to go before it happens.

andyocoregon

President Trump has not betrayed anyone. Those who claim he has need to do a little more research before flapping their gums.

mandy

That’s EXACTLY the kind of comment that will ABSOLUTELY get them to come back out to vote in 2020, Andy!

andyocoregon

I think most Trump voters already have their minds made up to vote for him in 2020. And depending on who the Dems nominate next year, there could be a huge number of Democrat voters voting for President Trump. Many Dems are happy with the great economy and they know President Trump is responsible for it.

mandy

About your crystal ball….
lol….

andyocoregon

That was just my opinion. I didn’t state it as fact. Sorry, no crystal ball here. I wish I did have one, though. I’d ask it when I’m going to receive a million dollars.

mandy

I’d forgotten about you and your million dollars thing.
lol…..

singingsoul1

Mandy I do not feel betrayed by POTUS do you?
I am serious asking you. People negativity seem to have more influence on you and our positivity .
There are many voices and the secret is to discern the voices we listen too.
Ask yourself always the questions what is the motive of negativity against POTUS and who is spreading it and why?
I hope this helps a;; is going to be ok.

mandy

I know. It’s kinda like the movie “Titanic” – we already know who wins. 🙂

NYGuy54

well written Tona.

TheseTruths

I respect your opinion, but it is not mine. I do not agree that Epstein’s death sent the three messages you list. It’s way too early to know what will come of this. If you think Pres. Trump is not in control, then all is lost. I don’t share that view. We are in a war, and becoming demoralized and losing faith in our generals is exactly what the enemy wants. We can’t hand them that victory.

nikkichico7

I agree … screw that
F I G H T ‼️‼️‼️

nikkichico7

That post is response to thesetruths … fight .. ‼️

TheseTruths

🥊🇺🇸

nikkichico7

😉👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️

Tonawanda

I am not demoralized. Never said that and never meant that.

TheseTruths

I was responding to your saying this:
The death of Epstein was a huge demoralizing event for our side.
And then you listed these three negative messages:
1) Justice for the elites will not be done;
2) Trump is not in control;
3) The elites arrogantly and disdainfully control the illusions which control our country.

Tonawanda

Exactly. I never said I was demoralized, and I never meant that. Demoralizing events for our side, like the failure of a Republican Congress to support our President, or the failure of the Attorney General to have Epstein under personal, intimate observation 24 hours a day, is not demoralizing to me.
It disgusts me and angers me, but that only makes me more determined to win.
For many others (for instance, OT), the will to win has been sapped.

michaelh

Leftist word of the day:
ROLCON:
Short for “Roleplay Conservatives”
Definition: The process of a leftist acting as if they were conservative on social media so as to influence others with poor reasoning, incorrect facts, fake news, emotive outrage, and fallacious logic, rather than engaging in the square of public opinions with genuine compelling ideas.
See also: Fabian Leftcomment image

wolfmoon1776

ROLCON is a two-edged sword. I’ll bet that we compromise a lot of their “Stalwarts”, who see the light and #WalkAway toward it.
I like to tell people that I can “speak Progressive”. To be honest, I’m probably closer to a “classic liberal” than many here, although the only people who seem interested in defending the ROOT of classic liberalism – the Constitution and its enshrined Freedoms – are now “conservatives”. But I find that when I am around Progs, I feel a certain sympathy for them and their causes. And yet – OMG – they are so mind-controlled by the insanity of hard leftism, I feel like I need a shower afterwards.
I definitely see what Trump is doing – MANY GREAT THINGS – and one of them is making it SAFE for liberals to be SENSIBLE again. Jane Timken, who introduced Brandon Straka at the Cincinnati rally, gets this.
SO – send your “ROLCONS”, Brock – I will CONVERT THEM to TRUMP SUPPORTERS!!! 😀

Concerned Virginian

Notice that the point of the “correct messaging” is the word “currently”. That means their “correct messaging” is NEVER going to stay the same if it doesn’t fit their REAL goal of destroying the United States.
On the other hand, Americans who take the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights as the bedrock foundation of the United States, will ALWAYS have the true “correct messaging”.

michaelh

I know, let’s create a meme and call it “NPC”! They have to get their programming from somewhere…

NYGuy54

like this?comment image

mandy

lol!
(you did mean that as a joke because of all the NPC memes that were done months ago, right? If not and you’re unaware of the NPC memes done previously, my apologies and nevermind.)

Volgarian8301

Can we use it in our own threads? 🙄😁

ForGodandCountry

“As always, ROLCON”
Hmmmm.
IMHO, there are a few posters here who fit that description. Can you guess who I’m thinking of?
If so, do not reply with names here. Instead, send a PM to Wolf, like I will. If he gets multiple PMs from different people all naming the same person(s), then that would constitute strong confirmation.

wolfmoon1776

HA! You’re forcimg me to check the bin! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
LMAO! I’ve been neglecting it like it’s radioactive!

michaelh

That michael guy looks pretty suspicious to me