Dear KMAG: 20190919 Open Thread

This Showing My Age Night Before Daughn Thursday 20190919 Open Thread is officially Open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!

You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.

Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it. Keep it SOMEWHAT civil.

They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM. Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.

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Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.

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Since I’m off to the camp and cut off from the daily grind and to get in a little fishin’… .

I leave it all in the hands of you Qtreepers to shine the light on this GREAT TREE!

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wheatietoo

gil00

I cant believe how prone to flooding Tx is. Seems like every big storm they get flooded.

wheatietoo

In the low-lying areas, yes…but it’s like that in the low-lying areas all along the Gulf coast.

🦋🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🦋

They call Houston “Bayou City” for a reason, there’s lots of them. Water is supposed to enter the bayous and drain to the Gulf Coast. When we get storms coming from the Gulf, sea water pushes inland and prohibits drainage. Prolonged and large amounts of rainfall can cause bayous to overflow and flood surrounding areas. Over 25 years ago they mandated huge retention ponds be built next to all new commercial and residential construction, the idea being the ponds would collect water and alleviate runoff to bayous. That definitely helped some but couldn’t fix everything. We also have rivers to the east and west that are supposed to drain to the coast and swell when they can’t. I have friends who flooded a week after Harvey was long gone. For quick moving storms all is generally ok. Harvey hung around 5 days. Imelda is here for 4-5 days. She’s cremating the low lying coastal river dwelling people to the east right now.
On Sunday I checked weather and saw rain forecasted Tues-Fri. The first I heard it was a tropical storm was here, thanks Sadie! There was literally no warning🥴

SteveInCO

I went on a cruise once, out of Galveston.
I was talking to a couple of old ladies who lived in Galveston. They found out where I was from and I made my standard jokes how different this was because in Colorado we don’t leave our water lying around on the ground like this, and who forgot to shut off the bathwater before going to work? So they told me where they lived. It turned out that sitting in the room on deck eight on a boat on the ocean, they were much higher in altitude than they would have been in their house.
And of course parts of New Orleans are actually below sea level.

singingsoul1

giloo I cannot believe that people do not drive their car to a secure place?

gil00

Yes. That is salt and fresh water isnt it?

andyocoregon

Southern Texas is really getting pounded by rain.

A Fortiori

One little known aspect of all the new technology put into our motor vehicles is the extent to which we are losing control over their operation. Most people don’t know that hackers can gain access to and control most vehicles sold in the US that have bluetooth capabilities. Then there is the fact that if you have a financial arrangement concerning the acquisition of your motor vehicle, and the paperwork with the finance company is not properly completed and recorded, the finance company can just shut you down:
https://www.thesun.ie/news/4475054/pregnant-woman-stranded-renault-switches-battery/

SteveInCO

And my mechanic gets upset with me for buying cars from the previous century…

Gail Combs

My mechanic ❤️‍ Loves ❤️‍ me because I give him a lot of business working on my old trucks, pay in cash and don’t hassle him if he takes a month to fix one of my old babies. (They now run better then they did when they were new.)
The key to owning old vehicles is to make sure you have a really good mechanic AND you have a spare vehicle so he has time to find the correct parts.
My vehicles are now old enogh that collecters are trying to buy them from me. 😋

A Fortiori

Another little known aspect of how changes in the automobile industry have changed our lives is the fact that nobody stocks parts for used cars anymore. They all have to come from a far away warehouse, meaning we all have to wait several days to get repair parts. So yes, I too recommending keeping at least one spare vehicle.
I honestly think this is another sign that there is a plan in place to force us to abandon internal combustion engines. Nobody wants to get stuck holding inventories of parts for vehicles that are banned, so parts are only purchased when they can be immediately resold.

jamcooker

I know a retired mechanic who doesn’t advocate buying any car built after ’04, I think he said. Any way, he thinks there’s too many computer driven parts on the newer cars.

SteveInCO

My issue is not with “computer driven” per se, but “remotely accessible” computer driven.
I was hearing grips about computers in cars long before ’04. In general, newer cars with features have more stuff that can break, everything from power windows and door locks…
And some people who CLAIM to be mechanics still pine for the days they could be a miracle worker by just dicking with the carburetor.

Gail Combs

WELLLLlllll considering the truck I am now driving HAS a carborator…. 🤣
(Hubby stole my diesel since his diesel is in the shop and his FORD is Found On Road Dead right now… As I said my mechanic loves me.)

SteveInCO

Actually, so does the Beast.
And I was surprised to realize my car has drum brakes on the rear.
I wasn’t slamming carburetors, just the so-called “mechanics” who could not cope with not having one.

A Fortiori

Steve — There are several good reasons why an experienced auto or truck mechanic would disdain computerized vehicle systems.
For one, they often fail to notify you of a problem before the problem matures to where it shuts down the vehicle. If my clutch throw out bearing is wearing out, I can hear it and shifting sometimes becomes “sticky” before it fails. If the crankshaft position sensor in a computerized car is wearing out, the first time I learn of this is when my vehicle won’t start because the engine computer is not getting a required signal.
But probably the main reason is that the mechanic finds themselves in a world where nothing is intuitive working on a computerized vehicle. With mechanical, electric and/or hydraulic systems, once you understand the basics of how the systems operate you can diagnose a myriad of problems simply by walking through the system from end to end. With computerized vehicles much of that disappears.
And then there is the fight about software. Independent repair shops have had to go through numerous battles with manufacturers seeking to keep the software necessary to repair and maintain their vehicles proprietary. They have had to turn into lobbyists, a process that many of them hated, in order to get consumer protection laws enacted to protect their survival. And then they had to pony up $12,000 to license the software. To put this number in perspective, you can buy everything else necessary to equip a small motor vehicle repair shop for well under $100,000.

jamcooker

My BIL had vehicles that had no computerized parts on them, they were both mechanical. He was old school, as he used to say. He was in the process of restoring a ’68 Chev PU, and now our son will be finishing it, when he has time. He talked to a buddy who’s a fabricator, and got some good advice from him. Don’t ask me about particulars, I’m almost totally ignorant about cars!!!

andyocoregon

Even used car dealers can install a device on the cars they sell and finance so if someone doesn’t pay their monthly payment on time, they can shut the engine off making it inoperable. Then the deadbeat purchaser has to go to the car lot, make the payment plus a late fee before it can be made operable again.

ozzytrumpster

And with self driving cars repossession is a snap

Tonawanda

Jean Kaufman from Neo Neocon highly recommended this article, and she was right. It is longish but well worth reading (IMO).
I just want to repeat an observation I have made before about leftists/marxists/communists/progressives. Underneath the materialist philosophy, the “ethics,” the visionary “idealism” and the phony solidarity, is sadism, the desire to inflict suffering on others. Sadism, and nothing else.
Putting others into pain for enjoyment is the fundamental driving force. All else is justification for this remorseless and evil perversion.
https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/9/how-the-great-truth-dawned

Tonawanda

I posted this link with a comment, but I messed up or it is in spam. I’ll just post this link, from Neo Neocon’s site and upon her recommendation:
https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/9/how-the-great-truth-dawned

Tonawanda

Well, two posts which did not appear. Alas, not meant to be, WP has been very broken the past several days for me. Well, maybe without the link I included.

holley100

Broken for me as well. When I scroll through comments there are quite a few that only show the poster and the likes but the body is empty.

smiley2

thank you, holley !
me, too…I mentioned this the other day regarding the many posts made by duchess, in succession…all I saw was what you just described..
the responses I got were that it must be “on my end”…so…I cleared out all my caches & history, rebooted..but still have same problem…
another suggestion was that maybe I had “blocked” twitter…but…I have not done that…
so it’s still a mystery to me why this happens…
but at least it’s not just me.

singingsoul1

Sometimes I shut down my machine and then everything works for me. Hope you all figure out the problem.

holley100

It’s always nice to know it’s not just you 🙂 Started yesterday for me. I limit my online footprint and have no social media accounts excepting WordPress. Nothing has changed in my little corner of the internet, so I have no idea why this is now happening.

ladypenquin

I believe those are tweets you’re missing. Duck duck go did a security upgrade about two weeks ago, and after they did several of us could not see see embedded tweets or post them. MichaelH figured out what to do. Go to your Private Essentials setting, which for me was actually an icon on the URL line, right side of my header. Activate the “Site Privacy protection” – it’s likely not lit, so scroll over the icon and it will activate. DDG upgraded to a B+ security level and affected tweets. I believe it’s tweets you’re not seeing in those empty boxes.
Michael explained it better. But it should work if you find those details. 🙂

smiley2

hi…thanks for help…I just did all you said…but to no avail ! 🙁

holley100

Ok, I will work on this because I don’t like to miss posts. I learn a lot here. Thanks for the explanation LadyP. Much appreciated!

smiley2

see below…the HOW to fix !

smiley2

manage whitelist option
then…show embedded tweets
= in the DDG icon

holley100

Ahhh yes solved! Thanks smiley!

Gail Combs

I had more than one comment POOF and disappear the last few days.

andyocoregon

Try running a software program called BleachBit. That’ll solve all your computer issues.
Use the format option. 😉

thinkthinkthink

LOL.
Hope all understand you are an incurable rascal and ignore any and all advice of this kind.
On another topic.
About that million dollars.
What is it about the word “no” do you have a problem with? 😉

andyocoregon
smiley2

like with a cloth or something ?

ladypenquin

smiley, if you’re using DDG, it’s likely from their latest security upgrade. I responded to Holley in this convo. MichaelH knows the most, and figured it out. Worked for me after doing what he said.

smiley2

yes…and thanks…I’m seeing yr post…and I do use DDG (also Chrome)…and I just now did the site protection thing …both on and off…
but nothing changed here at wordpress site….same missing posts.
?????

smiley2

when I activate it, it says “removed from white list”…for this site…
is that what I want ??

smiley2

HEY ! I just now fixedit in DDG…
had to go further into the “whitelist” option…”manage whitelist”…and activated the “show embedded tweets”..
and that did it..
so…whoever it was yesterday who said I had “blocked tweets” WAS CORRECT…thru the DDG upgrade it must’ve happened..
so HOLLEY…do that…it might also help you…
DDG icon upper right
“manage whitelist” click
activate “show embedded tweets”
THANKS Lady P et al.

A Fortiori

Thanks folks for bringing this up; I too had this problem using DDG and have now fixed it based on this discussion.

ladypenquin

Right. Michael H explained it better than me. Something to do with that whitelist.

ladypenquin

It was a little different for me, but Michale mentioned both. Had th edarnest time even finding the Privacy essentials – it’s in two places, but only one is a live link to work with.

thinkthinkthink

If you are using duckduckgo because of privacy concerns, you might want to check out Dissenter (browser) + Startpage.com (search engine). Seems to be a winning combo.
DDG has been flagged by some as maybe not being as privacy oriented as it advertises. (Not sure, just passing along what I’ve seen.)

smiley2

wordpress tweets comin in LOUD & CLEAR now ! 😀comment image

pgroup

Ah, … it’s Tipsy Headrinse. Well, that’s what Mad magazine called Tippi Hedren in its spoof of the movie The Birds. .

smiley2

yes…
huge Alfred Hatchplot fan myself. 😀

Rodney Short

I have a new tablet now and the thing I don’t like on WP is that some of the comments are vertical and a real pain to read,I am a comment reader at heart.
Most of the comments are regular but then there are some that just go straight down.
I think Verizon is trying to rain on my parade.

pgroup

Maybe you should use a text-to-voice program.

Rodney Short

I rely on closed captions to read because I have hearing problems.
That kind of program sounds very good.

daughnworks247
daughnworks247
duchess01
MAGA Mom

I am learning about how marble is quarried in relation to learning about the US Capitol building to then teach to my children. Thought you, daughnworks247, as I am watching videos on youtube to preview, etc. Interesting topic and civics is so much fun and interesting to teach – esp. if one goes beyond the dry worksheets of stats, numbers and mechanics of gov. 4th-7th grade level so most I already know but things like this (marble) and video tours of the Capitol along with interesting tidbits of architecture, history and personalities are things I didn’t learn back in the day. So interesting!

MAGA Mom

I want to emphasize US marble (in context of the US Capitol building and US civics class) and these are the specific to the US videos I have come up with so far. Any other suggestions?
Big picture:

Colorado:

Tennessee (this video is Boring in style but need US marble videos…???)

Found several great videos for our “virtual tour” of the Capitol

Gail Combs

FWIW, They used to mine PINK marble from Tuckahoe NY (a have some in my rock collection)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuckahoe_%28village%29,_New_York

thinkthinkthink

That Colorado one in the middle was excellent. Loved learning that this is the mine for some of our Washington D.C. memorials.

Katie

My family did a tour of the Marble, CO mine in the early 80’s. Things were pretty quiet back then, and there wasn’t a lot of active mining happening. It’s very cold in the mine, and one thing I’ll never forget is that marble doesn’t get hot in the sun.
We were there on a warm sunny day, and you could touch pieces of marble laying around outside, and it was cool/cold to the touch. If you can take your children to a stone counter business, they keep slabs all over the place and they can touch the smooth, cool surface themselves.

SteveInCO

Something they may or may not find interesting is the techniques people like the ancient Greeks used to assemble their temples, and–to some extent, though they used concrete often–the Romans their monuments, colosseums, and public baths as well. (I know less about medieval techniques for the cathedrals, but I imagine very similar.) Cranes that operated by human muscle power, lifting stone blocks weighing as much as eight tons.
For that matter when the Capitol was built, it had to have been done by human and animal power, as that was just at the time steam power was getting going in fixed locations (much less mobile).

Alison

Mom – IIRC all the marble for the Lincoln Memorial came from Marble, CO which is literally a few hairpin turns on a mountain pass 😊🇺🇸❤️ Even rode my bike there once!

Alison

I should have watched the video first! Love the Italian accents 😊. Did you notice the size of the chains on those tires? Holy cow!

Marica
nikkichico7

It’s sickening … in China they confiscated the guns, then slaughtered millions of people … 🤬

Gail Combs

“Political Power grows out of the barrel of a gun” – Mao Zedong
☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
1911 Turkey Gun control — from 1915 to 1917 – 1.5 million Arminans killed
1935 China gun control — from 1948 to 1952 – 20 million killed
1938 Germany Gun control — from 1935 to 1945 – 20,946,000 murdered.
1956 Cambodia gun control — from 1975 to 1977 – 1 to 2 million educated people murdered.
1964 Guatamala Gun Control — from 1964 to 1981 – 100,000 Mayan Indians killed.
1970 Uganda gun control in — from 1971 to 1979 – 300,000 Christians killed, a total of 2 to 3 million murdered.
☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
DEMOCIDE – DEATH BY GOVERNMENT By Dr Rummel
An individual no matter how hard he tries can not come close to the amount of death a government can visit on its own people. Guns give people a fighting chance against government madness.
Why do the elite want to disarm the public? Because they wish to do something which they cannot do if citizens are armed. A government determined to remove a citizens right to own guns is planning to do things it citizens will violently object to.
Dr Rummel says that democracy is the solution. However thanks to rigged elections, democracy is just another tool used to control people.
As Joseph Stalin, murderer of millions, said:
“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
The critical freedom is the freedom to own weapons because the power hungry have a tendency to take over governments. Without weapons in the hands of citizens to defend themselves and oust these power hungry madmen you WILL end up with Democide.

nikkichico7

Here, here‼️‼️ 🤨🤚 … these power hungry evil turds can pound sand .. ‼️‼️

para59r
para59r

Ha… if I went down far enough I’d of seen that Gail had already been working on this. 🙂

Marica
ForGodandCountry

Well well well.
Now we now why the corrupt prosecutor’s in IL threw out the charges and sealed his records.

Marica

Ten little Indians….They all be going down…Ironic if the last one standing…Is da FAKE Indian!!!! Fauxcahontas!!!

nikkichico7

This is dedicated to these fools … 😑🤚 … bwahahahahaha

nikkichico7

And … this fool ….. 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 … 😐🤚‼️ …

gil00

3rds times the charm for Tru dope.
They Canadian libs who vetted him knew all about this, plus they know more. Its just these are the ones they couldnt hide anymore.
Justin is a proxy for all things globalist.comment image

andyocoregon

I’m really enjoying all the criticism he’s getting from other loony liberals. Personally, I could care less if someone wore blackface to a costume party even if it was last week. But it’s always fun watching the hypocrites’ heads explode over something silly.

TheseTruths

Exactly!

gil00

Its his choice to have done it but hes preachingvwhat he doesnt practice. Just like all the libs.

andyocoregon

I’m curious if Trudeau was one of the liberal politicians who criticized Virginia Governor Ralph Northam for having worn blackface a long time ago.

gil00

Dunno. Would be wierd for him to comment on it but when in rome.

Hoofhearted

….he wouldn’t even know who Ralph Northam was, nor would he care. Were it not for US media reporting, most Cdns would not even be aware of such things. He has destroyed what was a wonderful Country. He is worse than most corrupted US politicians but does not have the depth to conceal it as well. Everything about him is false. Elite globalist with loyalty to Europe and uses climate change and gender confusion to destroy Canada, chase investment and jobs away and replace them with open migration and total gender confusion. Sold out to China. A Communist and control freak. His father is more likely to be Fidel Castro than PE Trudeau. Fidel Castro, Aga Khan and Jimmy Carter were shown carrying PE Trudeau coffin.

andyocoregon

I’m not buying Justin Trudeau’s apology for a minute. He is only sorry he was caught in the media. If he had been truly remorseful, he would have confessed and begged forgiveness last year when Virginia Governor Ralph Northam got busted for the same thing. But he waited until someone outed him.
He’s nothing more than a typical liberal hypocrite.

Marica
Alison

Marica!! Isn’t he a doll? BoyBandRapper 🤓
That twitter site #MAGACHALLENGE is a total hoot, and sooooooo exciting! There are so many ways the younger generations of Blacks are being encouraged to appreciate President Trump, or at least figure out Dems don’t have their best interests at heart. I am loving it – mostly for those who are getting Woke ‘cuz they’ll have a better future!
And @Jack can’t censor ‘em cuz … racist!
Thanks, Girlfriend 😊

Marica

Awesome sauce!!!!

B.b.S.s.Saint

Good day to the Qtreepers. Keep the liberal’s feets to the fire! Good information all around. Checking out for a day of errands. Take Care all! Marica, can you reserve some of those exclamation marks???? NO? You would not be Marica without them!!!!!

ForGodandCountry

Since there seem to be so many random subjects being brought up today (and recently), I will drop one.
QUESTION:
When a person or persons is/are murdered, a crime has been committed against not just that person, but against each friend, co-worker, client/patient/etc. and most especially against each family member of the victim. Each person experiences a profound and life-long loss.
Why aren’t murderers charged with a crime for each and every person who can lay credible claim to loss as a result of said murder(s)??

Gail Combs

Civil Lawsuits for pain and suffering??? Esp in the case of someone wealthy like Buck.

patfrederick

animal funniescomment imagecomment imagecomment image

SteveInCO

Reminds me of a graphic for people who can’t spell “hypocrites” correctly:
(Not the one I wanted to find, but it will do)comment image

patfrederick

LOL

llamamama3

Lol! Hey sweetie!
Good stuff 😀!
Have a great day!

patfrederick

you too!
I’m very excited…almost done with the craft show stuff–and then it’s on to the llama!!!

llamamama3

That’s great! I hope you can show me the finished product!
💖😘 HUGGLES!

patfrederick

i will post pictures of both of them…the plain one and then the “ugly” one she wants–smoking a cigar or something like that…LOL

llamamama3

Lol! That is awesome!
Thanks! 💖

nikkichico7

LOL 😂👍❤️‼️

patfrederick

lolcomment imagecomment imagecomment image

nikkichico7

I LURVE this Pat …. hilarious and what a cool 😎 dog … I love huskies/malamutes, I don’t want to hunt them down when they get loose and run twenty miles from home though. A chihuahua would tucker out closer to home .. 😃👍❤️‼️

😍🤚

patfrederick

oh I LOVE IT!!!!
so sweet…

gil00

Hes 18. No, not one single liberal in CA govt actually cares about these people.
https://twitter.com/SFDeplorable/status/1174396031234035712?s=20

LM

You know, it occurs to me. We can’t wait around hoping that the other side will care about them.
This is an opportunity.
WE can care about and do something for them
This is already happening, with the clean up of Maryland and the President’s visit to San Francisco.
Of, course my mind would go to a website with an acronym like CASCforce before the .com. (Cleanup America’s Shithole Cities……Maybe I need to repent for the name.) 🤔
But something (maybe nicer) like this would let us (the Deplorables) contribute to and show our love to the homeless, drug addicted displaced American veterans and lost generations living so hopelessly on our streets.

ForGodandCountry

Let me help everyone here understand something.
We are at war.
Re-read that.
We are at war.
The left is INTENTIONALLY CREATING these people. Why? Why would the left be intentionally creating this problem assuming we are at war (all save the kinetic fighting, for now)??
I’ll withhold the correct answer to allow others to answer first.

jamcooker

The same thing happened in the Opium Wars.

Deplorable Patriot

War drains resources, and treasure. It also effectively removes alpha males from the social order one way or another.
In the case of the street people/druggies, they are easier to control because of the addiction. So, keep them hooked using cash from the treasury that really belongs to the people. Profits then are transferred to the drug pipeline.
The disease epidemics involved – typhus, hep C, etc. – are deadly if left untreated. They WILL kill a lot of them.
I don’t want to believe it, that man could be this cruel toward other men, but it’s not like it hasn’t happened before, although maybe not with this MO.

singingsoul1

Deplorable Patriot yes diseases will kill many homeless people.
The diseases also can spread to other states therefore Californias created problem is all our problem.
The situation in California is a National problem and I hope the Federal Government steps in or quarantines California.

mollypitcher5

IMO they’re creating these people to weaken our young, fighting age young men and women too.
The explosion of lethal drugs (all kinds that are laced with potent addictives) from China routed through Mx is well known. I’ve known for 3 yrs since my son died. Our own elected officials HAVE to know but encourage the use with lax or no enforcement of drug laws, lax or no enforcement of laws involving theft.
The drug scene has taken on a boutique environment. Thousands of weed shops. Interstate road signs advertising all the great choices of products. Gummy candy, terrific CBD oil, vaping products with additions such as synthetic marijuana , again potentially lethal
https://nypost.com/2019/09/17/russian-roulette-investigation-finds-cbd-products-spiked-with-illegal-synthetic-marijuana/
They’re hoping to kill off libido of men & women with the constant degradation of natural sexual desires . Confuse the preteens…and if none of that works..go straight to making as many as possible zombies.
It’s not happening to the down and out losers only.
TYLER SKAGGS DEATH: DEA LAUNCHES PROBE INTO SOURCE OF DRUGS FOUND IN ANGELS PITCHER’S SYSTEM
An autopsy released in August found that the 27-year-old had fentanyl, oxycodone and ethanol in his system when he died. A medical examiner in Texas determined Skaggs choked to death on his own vomit while under the influence of alcohol and the powerful painkillers.
https://abc7.com/amp/sports/dea-launches-probe-into-tyler-skaggs-death/5552290/?__twitter_impression=true
I doubt seriously he nor his trainers had a prescription for fentanyl..so I’d guess they were street versions..synthetics which don’t leave the immediate footprint on a drug test. Additional methods have to be used to determine their presence.

gil00

Yes maam. Think about all thecweed shop signs along The freeways. My kiddo sees that. I called the county supervisor who said “First Amendment rights. ” Honestly. Then he retired 3 weeks later.

mollypitcher5

In certain parts of San Diego, like by the Flea Market area..huge signs..it’s all you see.
When I was driving back here from Tn..billboards across the country.
It’s gone way beyond legalizing pot

andyocoregon

Check out how many pot shops there are in Oregon….
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/Approved_Retail_Licenses.pdf

andyocoregon

There are many extremely potent mind numbing drugs on the streets these days and I agree, it’s not by accident. Many of the drugs are manufactured in China then smuggled here through Central America and Mexico.
Drug education is more important in schools than ever. We must reduce the demand for this poison.

andyocoregon

BTW, Molly, condolences for your son. May I assume he died from a drug overdose?

mollypitcher5

Thank you Andy. Yes. Drug overdose from a synthetic “vicadin” sent straight from China through USPS.
Truly i do thank PTrump for all he’s done to stop it.

andyocoregon

I’m so terribly sorry for your loss. That’s scary that some Chinese murderer can send a poison pill through the mail system, for that’s exactly what happened. It’s the same as the random food and drug tampering that was done a few decades ago that led to the tamper-proof packaging we have today. Several people died simply by innocently taking what they thought was Tylenol.

gil00

I am so sorry. Me with kiddo thinkibg about all this. Hes impulsive, but only 6. I hope he listens to me when I say all this stuff is poison. I show him people, plus the vagrants, and say this could be you. Ordering meds like that though, ugh.

andyocoregon

Scary to think many of our over-the-counter drugs are manufactured in China.
https://www.americanjobsalliance.com/news/where-your-drugs-come-90-many-common-drugs-made-china-fda-has-lost-control

mollypitcher5

For a few months after, I was a mad woman..contacting every Chinese person who left enticing “deals” on his phone texts. They disappeared after any contact from me.
A raw truth is that the lure of buying anything..anything at all, clouded his previously rational thinking. It was heartbreaking to understand, after the fact, that simply attempting to get around getting a prescription that would be on his employment record opened up this pandoras box . He truly didn’t believe that this crap manufactured by some kitchen lab in China would/could be laced with super addictive stuff..so dumb for a brilliant man.

andyocoregon

Your experience just goes to show how powerful these street drugs can be. If they can distort the thinking of a brilliant mind, those with lesser coping skills don’t stand a chance.
The problem with many of these drugs is they make you feel so good, at least in the beginning. Later, they ravage your body so badly you can’t stand being straight. At least, that’s what I’ve been told. I’ve never tried anything stronger than pot and that was way back in the early 70’s.

mollypitcher5

You’re spot on Andy. Addiction doesn’t take years. It can be incredibly fast. At first it’s a quick high, then it’s ‘let’s feel that again’ and soon ‘I gotta have that.
This a quote from one of Ed Buck’s victims…..“Ed Buck is the one to thank. He gave me my first injection of crystal meth it was very painful, but after all the troubles, I became addicted to the pain and fetish/fantasy.”
Shot up with meth in the most sensitive body part has to hurt like hell..but that high…unbelievable

MAGA Mom

I am so sorry for your loss. Unimaginable to me. I tell mine to never take the first pill/puff/smoke … Never even Try it. One never knows the path it will lead down until too late. Hope and pray little ears are listening.

gil00

Large part of the problem is that theyve designsted, taken, and spent multimillions already with nothing to show for it, except salaries over 100k and redevelopment zones. If they stop taking our taxes them we would have so much more to spend where we want to, instead of where we are forced to.

andyocoregon

Everyone wrings their hands and claims nothing can be done about these homeless drug abusers, but I say otherwise. YouTube has many, probably thousands of videos of animal rescue stories by groups such as Hope for Paws and others. When called by concerned citizens, they go out and catch or trap the poor, usually sick homeless dog and bring it to a vet hospital, bathe it and feed it regularly until it recovers into a happy, healthy animal. In most of those cases, the dogs will at first run from their rescuers and some even try to bite. In other words, they want to be left alone, no matter how hopeless their situation is. It requires forced rehabilitation to get them healthy again.
I think a lot of homeless people are like those poor, suffering animals. They don’t want assistance getting off the streets and will fight every attempt to remove them and take them to drug rehab shelters. IMO, when someone is a danger to themselves or others, like the young man in the video above, they should be forced into drug rehab and later placed into long term, secure living facilities where they have no access to drugs or alcohol. When they break laws of illegal camping, illegal drug use, theft, creating biological hazards, etc, they should be sentenced to rehab, not traditional jails.
Cities spend millions of dollars per year on the homeless and the problems are only getting worse. For example, the City of Portland is projected to spend a record $31 million on the homeless this year alone. Where is all that money going? And why are there more homeless than ever?

gil00

We agree. At this point, everyone can get a 51/50 if they are addicts/alcoholics/mental. Force a proper COMPLETE triage. Then bulldoze ALL the vagrant camps, no matter what, due to the biohazard .

mollypitcher5

A side note about all this is the drive to mainstream and normalize homelessness. The descriptions are sanitized to avoid negative stigma…lol..as if it isn’t negative.
They’re promoting living in pipes outfitted as a “home”. Teeny pods, communal living. Various sporting goods stores (REI and Walmart I know of) donating camping gear…not really to help but to stabilize life on the streets. No encouragement to get straight and have normal healthy goals to live healthy and happy.

LM

Moly, I am so sorry to hear about your son. It is heartbreaking.
I love the President for actually doing something about the illegal drugs and for securing the borders.
I feel that the left enables drug use in many ways and if kids don’t get them illegally they are often prescribed dangerous drugs by the medical (psychiatric) profession.
I think we reach out in whatever way we can to support one another, support our President and let him know how we feel, and act in love towards those who are suffering on our streets.
The pipes that are apartments are so great. Anything that provides sanitary living conditions and a certain level of autonomy might help instill a bit of self respect and the beginning of healing.
❤️

mollypitcher5

Appreciate that LM. Thank you

LM

Sending hugs
💞💞💞

Teagan

Every time i’m At Lowe’s, Home Depot, etc and see all those storage sheds I visualize how they could be made into tiny homes, especially if you could use two together…one side for bath and kitchen and the other for bedroom and living space.
Having said that, from my own Peace Corps/community development days I also know that simply providing shelter is doomed to fail…as ludicrous as it may seem, people have to be taught how to live in regular situations…using the toilets, for example. Additionally, unless they have a “vested interest” (payment in some form) they will not value it nor take care of it.

Gail Combs

This why the old County Homes back in the 1950s WORKED!
The homeless were taken to a county home/farm. They were given room and board but in return they had to WORK at the farm doing what every they could. They grew their own food, milked the cows, made cheese, made crafts and sold stuff to defray the cost. My Mom and other women volunteered. Mom taught arts and crafts, some women taught sewing cooking, some of the men taught crafts…
Then the LEFT decided it was HUMILIATING for these people to WORK and the county had to hire help. Then the LEFT decided you couldn’t place people in a home or mental institution for vagrancy or acting crazy….
So now we have a major homeless problem THANKS TO THE LEFT!
It is time to haul out these newer laws and LOOK at the results and rescind them if they DO NOT WORK or MAKE MATTERS WORSE.

jamcooker

People learning and from that gaining self esteem.

LM

What your mom and others did, if practiced now, would heal many of our hurting young people as well as the homeless. It is good, wholesome, common sense mixed with compassion.
So much better than meds.

LM

I wonder if the tiny homes could be held out as a reward for completing rehab and cooperating with continuing treatment.
I.e. social worker involved, goal setting, and compliance with hygiene, medical care, staying clean, some kind of work….
I guess each case would have to be looked at individually because some of the homeless are mentally ill, some just down on their luck, some addicted…but the tiny home idea seems like it might offer some hope to them as a way to build self respect if it were properly done.
Offering shelter seems like such a small thing, but so significant.

kea

Trump Reveals Why He Carries A Wad Of Cash In His Back Pocket
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/trump-reveals-why-he-carries-a-wad-of-cash-in-his-back-pocket/
Really out of everything you want to know you ask about that?!?!?! He carries cash I wonder why…..hmmmmmm

gil00

How about cause he can? At least hes not carrying a hot sauce bottle in there.

ForGodandCountry

Holy smokes!! You mean given all we know about this incredibly successful man that PDJT is also generous tipper???comment image

kea

I know!!!!! I’m shocked said no one on the tree ever!!!!!

Cuppa Covfefe

Comments on that are epic…
VSGPDJT is a shining example of what a leader, a gentleman, should be.
The SoyBoys (and ponytail-under-the-arms gals) could learn a lot from him…

phoenixrising37

ForGodandCountry

Yep.
Progressives don’t want anyone cleaning up the dangerous time and resource consuming crises they are working so hard to cause.
The Nazis would have protested the liberation of their death camps, too, but since the kinetic fighting had already begun they simply killed anyone trying to stop them.

phoenixrising37

ForGodandCountry

Is there a good reason why we aren’t trying to send this great man to DC to represent us??
Asking for the country.

phoenixrising37

I agree FG&C,
Scott is a treasure… does not get nearly the attention he should.

kea
para59r

Quite the watch! Even if you only get into 5 or 10 minutes. Hard to stop once you watch.
To sum it up quickly: The Pope is walking away from God and wants you to walk with him.
https://youtu.be/H8E-5p3DdUc

ForGodandCountry

This Pope has turned out to be everything I feared he was.

Deplorable Patriot
bakocarl

FTA – “But that today the Antichrists have been unleashed – above all those who should feed the flock of the Lord – seems to me incontestable.”
What also is incontestable is that God is in control and His grace is sufficient . . . no matter how dismal the outlook.
Possibly related, DP. Do you put any credence in the prophesies of Saint Malachy for the 112th pope?

Deplorable Patriot

Short answer: no.

bakocarl

Short answers are good.

para59r

I don’t think any of us liked seeing him come once we learned who he was. Now the more we learn just reinforces the same.

Deplorable Patriot

I was kind of hoping to avoid posting that video.
This is going to be a disaster.

wolfmoon1776

Can’t watch right this minute, but will very soon. This sounds horrible.

Deplorable Patriot

It is. BTW, there is a related post in drafts on the bare bones how we got here. A whole lot more went on in the Church that led us to Francis, but those are the main points. I’m thinking Saturday morning.

wolfmoon1776

Great! Looking forward to it! 😀

Deplorable Patriot

Don’t forget, you asked. 😉

Gail Combs

Even those of us who are not Catholic need to understand what was done to undermine the Church.

scott467

“I was kind of hoping to avoid posting that video.
This is going to be a disaster.”
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It might have the exact opposite effect.
I think it will unite people, certainly people who believe in Christ, and who see clearly that what this pope is saying and doing is grave error, if not naked abomination (which it appears Mother Miriam thinks it is).
Mother Miriam was exactly right as she tore apart that letter, practically line by line.
She used basic applied common sense, pointing out plain truth, and she had the COURAGE to do it, point by point, pulling NO punches. 👍

Deplorable Patriot

Mother Miriam’s non religious name is Rosalind Moss. She was a regular on EWTN before Mother Angelica passed away.
Curious.

scott467

I’m up to the commercial break at 28 minutes, and this good woman is directly over target and carpet bombing enemy.
It’s UNREAL what that letter she’s reading says, and she has gone through it LINE BY LINE perfectly, exposing error and nuance.
I don’t know who this current pope really is or who he’s working for, but it has nothing to do with Christ.

andyocoregon

I received this email from the Yang 2020 campaign. I just don’t understand how it could possibly be legal to promise a $1,000 per month dividend in return for votes. Talk about quid pro quo, that’s crazy. I always thought promising anything of value in return for votes is illegal.
—————————————————————-
Andrew Yang for President
Friend —
Since you signed up for your chance to join our Freedom Dividend Pilot Program, you’ve probably been thinking about how transformative an extra $1,000 a month in your pocket would be.
The ability to make the home repairs you’ve been putting off. Covering medical bills that have been going overdue. Or the chance to live your life without the fear of going broke.
So, will you share your story with us and tell us what $1,000 a month would mean for you?
SHARE YOUR STORY
The Freedom Dividend will not only improve the lives of every single American — it will also vastly improve society and our economy on every level.
Click here to share your story — or simply send an email to myyangstory@yang2020.com and let us know how a universal basic income would transform your life. The most powerful way to make this program a reality for every American is to show the difference it would make.
Team Yang

jamcooker

Well, I went to the web page and what a crock. It’s his wealth redistribution plan. The above appears to get dreamers dreaming without any reality checks and motivate people to support his plan through dreaming.
*https://medium.com/ubicenter/distributional-analysis-of-andrew-yangs-freedom-dividend-d8dab818bf1b\

daughnworks247

YES!!!!!!!!!
Here’s one of the changes we’ve been hoping to see.
AG Bill Barr accuses Obama administration of “Kangaroo Justice” when it comes to males on college campuses.
Finally!!!!
“The Department of Education, under the Obama administration, “created a regime of kangaroo justice” against those accused of sexual misconduct by “promulgating rules beyond its statutory authority, invoking erroneous data, and fanning the false narrative of ‘rape culture’ on college campuses,” Barr wrote.”
Leave our boys alone!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kangaroo-justice-william-barr-slams-obama-education-department-for-mistreating-college-males-accused-of-sexual-misconduct

wolfmoon1776

I will resist the temptation to gloat about not believing “Deep State Barr Theory” for any more than a few seconds…. 😉

ladypenquin

Well, Wolfie, i guess I was a little too cheerful in yesterday’s Q-Tree Birthday thread, also noting the astute thinkers and posters who are now here. Someone thin-skinned obviously reads here, and has now completed by “ban” at OT.

ForGodandCountry

Who?

ladypenquin

Good point.

ForGodandCountry

LOL
Actually, I was wondering who got banned and although I have a good guess I really like how you interpreted my question!!

ladypenquin

LOL. Yes, it was me. SD had blocked me on twitter, but I had still been able to comment – though they went to moderation, and I commented rarely. Only go there to see Ristvan’s comments. Anyway, now I’m completely banned.

pgroup

Well, it’s about time you got banned. Now we can let you into wolfmoon’s secret den for special people. Otherwise you’d be doomed to remain out here with the peons.
The password is on its way.
/s

ForGodandCountry

Btw, it obviously irks the jackass mods over at CTH that we have this space here and they can’t do anything about it…to the point where if we even speak kindly about someone who has never posted here they are banned there.
I blow my nose in their digital faces and give them a full five (5)….comment image

ladypenquin

I was just telling my husband that it’s unfortunate when people become that which they supposedly eschew. That’s what has happened OT. Life goes on.

mollypitcher5

That’s a bummer LP…not that others here aren’t but you’re so informative and nice…that’s so stupid

ladypenquin

Thank you, Molly.

scott467

“I was just telling my husband that it’s unfortunate when people become that which they supposedly eschew.”
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Except they were always that way, at least the 3 years or so that I was there.
We ALWAYS had to walk on eggshells over there, or be prepared for suspension / ban.
I was banned twice, and suspended a few times in between, so I had a pretty well developed sense of where the ‘line’ was, and that’s where I spent most of my time, right there on the line.
If they want to ban someone, all they have to do is move the line a little, and you’re out.
I remember the first time SD used the metaphor about Sir Alec Guiness’ character in “The Bridge on the River Kwai“.
One day he will realize that he is the Alec Guiness character.
His last line in the movie, as he dies, falling on the detonator, blowing up his precious bridge:
“What have I done?”

SteveInCO

Welcome to the banned wagon!!!

wolfmoon1776

WOW. Just WOW.
Yup. I guess we got our “one year check-up”! 😀

NebraskaFilly

This is……disheartening?
“Attorney General Barr is Downright Lying to Senators
The Daily Caller has released a memo being circulated by Attorney General William Barr to coerce weak-kneed Republican Senators into passing gun control.
He’s bringing the Toomey-Manchin Universal Background Check and Registration Bill back from the dead after Republicans defeated it in 2013.
What’s different this time? Barr is lying to Senators about what this new bill would do.
Here’s the truth: under this bill, virtually every single gun owner would have a Form 4473 or an indistinguishable “Bill of Sale / Chain of Title” for your firearm.
And given that ATF is already illegitimately scanning 4473 forms into a national registry — as seen here and here — this will only exacerbate an existing problem.
We need your help cutting through Barr’s lies and getting the truth out to Republican Senators before they take our country down a dangerous road where Americans like YOU are added to a government registry for exercising our constitutional rights.”
https://gunowners.org/alert09192019/

scott467

I signed the petition about 5 minutes ago, and it’s still saying “There are a lot of people taking action on this campaign — we’ll be with you in just a moment…”, so hopefully Americans are melting down Barr’s email server as we speak.
It’s an incredible thing, really.
It seems that even if good men WROTE the Constitution TODAY, the instant they become PART of government, they would be doing everything in their power to attack it.
Power corrupts.
Apparently immediately.
I mean, literally, there can be no valid excuse for championing a bill supposedly created by Manchin and Toomey.
It may as well have been sponsored by and Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins.
If Barr is pushing this erosion of the 2nd Amendment, then he’s no ‘white hat’, regardless of any other ‘good’ he may be doing at the behest of DJT.

NebraskaFilly

Gun Owners of America is pretty reputable. I have to believe they know what they are talking about.

wolfmoon1776

OK – I am going to take an interesting position here. I think Barr is right, and I think Trump is right, and I think that GOA is right, but we need some WOLF HONESTY HERE to see this correctly.
So let’s begin.
First, remember – GOA’s job is to be GRUMPY CAT and say NO to everything until all they do is grumble and say “WE DON’T LIKE IT” without BITING. So they are doing the right thing.
Trump is saying WHOA NELLIE which is the right thing, too. The bump stock fix was the RIGHT NUANCE in defusing Obama’s bomb – let’s have THE SAME OR BETTER HERE in defusing Comey’s bomb. And why do we have to do ANYTHING? Because……
Barr is saying WATCH OUT which is CORRECT, and he is doing the right thing saying to FIND SOMETHING WE ALL CAN AGREE ON.
Even though this is a STUPID issue with a STUPID solution proffered by DEMS and DUPES, there is the possibility for Republicans to PROVE that they are finding ways to make the world BETTER – and NOT by falling for progressive traps. We have to come up with our own bill which is not a DUPE PRESSURE BILL.
We need our OWN SOLUTION TO REAL PROBLEMS – not FAKE PROBLEMS.
Scrap all these prior bills. Manchin and Toomey just get a nod for saying look at things, but NO MORE.
Here is what a REAL background check bill should do.
(1) JUVENILE RECORDS ON VIOLENCE ARE NOW IN THE NICS CHECK.
This is huge. Make THAT part of what we are calling “new” background checks. And if we don’t get it, we BLAME IT ON THE DEMOCRATS. This is now the CENTERPIECE. This is REAL stuff and it is BIG.
Yeah, people can get out of a juvenile NICS nix, but they have to have a hearing, which appeals to the RED FLAG LUST of the left, but is just sensible stuff we know they should do anyway.
(2) “FIX NICS” – DATA GATHERING from ALL SOURCES THAT SHOULD OR COULD provide data but are missing are now a big priority. Consider the following:
– FBI going out and proactively combing for all the data that SHOULD be in the system that’s MISSING – like that Air Force shooter in Texas, etc. Put some FACES on what is going to be fixed, too, to make the point that we have SWISS CHEESE HOLES in NICS, and there is MORE PAYOFF FIXING THOSE than there is on the “gun show loophole”. And I mean PROVE THAT WITH NUMBERS, because it has to be easy.
– FOREIGN criminal data being looked at. Of course, this is a HUGE GOUGE OF DEMOCRAT EYES, and we make no bones about it. They want to bring in illegals, we SHAME AND BLAME with our own gun bill that they will hate and we will love. MAKE BACKGROUND CHECKS WORK HARDER ON ILLEGALS.
(3) REVISED BARR SUGGESTION – VOLUNTARY NICS AVAILABILITY TO PRIVATE SELLERS AS A GUARANTEE OF LEGAL IMMUNITY FOR SALE
Look – let’s be totally honest. The FBI keeps records of all these NICS checks. They KNOW somebody is buying a gun. They just don’t know more than the check if that’s all there is. But THAT is useful and usable after-the-fact knowledge.
Let’s be honest about something else. We DO NOT want family and friend sales and trades and inheritances tracked. That is bullshit, and not tolerable. BUT it might be nice if I could actually validate some hillbilly nephew as OK for a sale – to say nothing of his SKETCHY WINGMAN – AND be immune for selling to them. The “Barr-shopped” bill does offer me that assurance, and I like it.
Let’s be honest about ANOTHER thing. A lot of gun buyers like to buy stuff “off paper”, and a lot of sellers like to sell “off paper”. Interestingly, these are usually “good guy to good guy” sales. Dems don’t LIKE that for only one reason – it preserves the Second Amendment.
Let me ask a question – what is “advertising”? Is it simply SHOWING a personally owned gun in public, like at a gun show? Is it OFFERING a gun to a looking buyer at a gun show? I see all kinds of trouble and harassment here.
You know what I think? I think that Democrats want to KILL GUN SHOWS. They don’t REALLY want to just make sure that every sale goes through NICS. That is not THEIR agenda. But that should be OUR AGENDA.
Our agenda should be that ANYBODY IN THE BUSINESS, AND ANY PRIVATE CITIZEN WHO WANTS IT, *CAN* (doesn’t HAVE to, but CAN) CHECK OUT THE BUYER USING NICS. And then is absolved of responsibility if they do.
So I see what the Barr-shopped bill is trying to do, but I think that it is TOO POSITIVE to the gun control agenda and is NOT SOLVING REAL PROBLEMS – meaning increase the societal and individual safety of private sales.
So what I would ask them to do is take that Barr proposal and rework it to HONEY and not VINEGAR. Ask WHAT WILL NOT COERCE, BUT INSTEAD DRAW IN GUN OWNERS? Figure out would allow ME AND A BUYER to quickly perform a transfer – IF WE WANTED – that would give no information to the state, other than that we were thinking about a sale, and it would give ME legal protection. So that I KNOW that this person is AOK. So that I am ABSOLVED IN ADVANCE. And the EVENT of a CHECK (and only the check) IS RECORDED – in case there is any legal issue. And *I* can keep any records of the sale that *I* want to.
Go back to the drawing board. Something that ONLY MAKES GOA grumble, and actually helps gun owners – first by protecting our reputations, secondly by attacking real problems (not Democrat sneaky attack points), and thirdly by attacking DEMOCRAT LOOPHOLES like foreign criminals.
Make the Barr offering a POSITIVE for gun owners. I think it can be done.

NebraskaFilly

Well, I expected a fulsome response from you and, once again, you do not disappoint! I like the ideas you present and admittedly have not read this bill myself – the language of these insanely long bills is far too archaic for me. This will be another wait and see situation for me. I’ve always trusted GOA. Thank you for providing some depth to the subject.

wolfmoon1776

You’re most welcome! 😀

scott467

” I like the ideas you present and admittedly have not read this bill myself – the language of these insanely long bills is far too archaic for me.”
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That’s a sign right there that it should NEVER be passed.
ANY ‘law’ whose violation may end up costing your freedom or substantial financial penalty MUST be written such that anyone with an average IQ can understand it, or else you’re just setting people up for entrapment.
Which is NOT the purpose of Law.
This is the problem with EVERYTHING in our ‘legal system’, you have to be a LAWYER to understand ANY of it.
Does even ONE single person think that was the design or intent of our Founding Fathers, that we should be subject to literally HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of codes, statutes, legislation and laws?
Or that it would require a law degree to even understand what any of them actually mean?
Before the legal pharisees came along, the Common Law worked just fine. Comparatively simple to understand.
The ‘legal’ system is designed for commerce and corporations. People are NOT commerce OR corporations, but government TREATS us all as if we WERE corporations, because that is how they gain CONTROL over us.
We’re just fighting over how MUCH control they should have, when we SHOULD be fighting to throw off their lawless attempts at control ALTOGETHER.

NebraskaFilly

In 1871, the US became a Corporation and WE became nothing but collateral against the Corporation’s international debt.

scott467

“Our agenda should be that ANYBODY IN THE BUSINESS, AND ANY PRIVATE CITIZEN WHO WANTS IT, *CAN* (doesn’t HAVE to, but CAN) CHECK OUT THE BUYER USING NICS. And then is absolved of responsibility if they do.”
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Shouldn’t we be absolved of any responsibility regardless?
If you are of legal age, and not noticeably impaired by drugs or alcohol, and I sell you a car, and you run over 15 people on the way home, am I responsible?
I can’t possibly be.
The property became yours at the moment of sale, and what you do with your property is your business and your responsibility, not mine.
How is a firearm any different?
Personal property rights are the foundation of our entire system. The right to own property and the right to contract. And the right to keep and bear arms is specifically written into the Constitution.
So what room does that leave for the government to get itself involved, in any way?

wolfmoon1776

I will leave that to the courts to decide, but I think that the common law does not necessarily absolve us of responsibility (you mentioned it – the property is our responsibility) for acts of commission or omission which may be legal in and of themselves, but are negligent depending on specifics of the circumstance.
Yes, I believe in individual responsibility. But it is STILL responsibility when you DISPOSE OF A GUN as well as when you CARRY, USE or STORE the gun.
You mention a CAR and sale to a drunk or otherwise impaired person.
I think there are many people I would NOT sell a gun to, for my own reasons of morality. The law – and even NICS – might excuse me for selling to some legal buyers, but I would NOT sell to them, personally.
I see your point at one extreme – but I personally just don’t like selling a gun to an unknown person, and even more, somebody who I suspect of being less than “standard issue”.
This is why I think that “private NICS” could actually pave the way to MORE private sales, if it’s not too intrusive.

scott467

“I see your point at one extreme – ”
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I make the extreme point because that is where freedom is most hotly contested. If we stand on any other point along the continuum, are we not simply ceding ground before the fight even begins?
.
“…but I personally just don’t like selling a gun to an unknown person, and even more, somebody who I suspect of being less than “standard issue”.
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Which is well and good, and I would agree with your assessment and do likewise, BUT that is a personal decision for each individual to make — as you stated, i.e., ‘personally’ — not a decision for the government to make for us.
.
“This is why I think that “private NICS” could actually pave the way to MORE private sales, if it’s not too intrusive.”
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It might, but here’s what happens, even if it is (BIG air quotes) “voluntary”. In a hyper-litigious society (and none is more so than ours), it won’t really be “voluntary”, it will become the de facto requirement for everyone BUT criminals, because every law abiding American will practice CYA.
Which means every law abiding American will have his guns in the lawless registry you mentioned, which the ATF is lawlessly keeping, ripe for confiscation, whenever the government deems the moment for that action is ‘right’.
This is always the problem, the LAW only applies to those who would follow it (i.e., law abiding citizens), it won’t inhibit criminals at all… and every such LAW only gives more information (which equals more power) to the government.
The government is already a 70 million pound gorilla, grazing on our rights like it’s an all-you-can-eat buffet.
We are so deep in the hole, the government already has SO MUCH power and control over us already, that I don’t see how it is possible to justify ceding another inch.
We should be taking back our freedom in giant chunks, not giving away what little we have left…

wolfmoon1776

I’ll answer this “Scott-style”:
“Which means every law abiding American will have his guns in the lawless registry you mentioned, which the ATF is lawlessly keeping, ripe for confiscation, whenever the government deems the moment for that action is ‘right’.
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Not if it’s done the way I suggested. Re-read what I’m suggesting. NICS only answers one question – IS THIS PERSON ALLOWED TO BUY A GUY?
The information submitted to it, theoretically, is at a minimum “who is being asked about?”, and more likely, “who is being asked about, and who wants to know?” Although if this is performed by valid FFLs, then “who is being asked about, who is asking, and where is this being asked?” But it doesn’t have to be that much.
There is a lot of room in there for “no guns in a registry”. Yet there is enough for legitimate law enforcement to work a case after the fact.

andyocoregon

First comes registration, next is confiscation.

NebraskaFilly

Yepper

NebraskaFilly

Same thing that happened with pit bulls and wolf-dogs in some towns.

Linda

Lock this sleaze up and throw away the key!
https://twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1174795285022855168?s=20

mollypitcher5

This was written in Jan 2019 and the questions are even louder now.
https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2019/1/09/ed-buck-death-west-hollywood-jasmyne-cannick
The death of yet another Black man in the West Hollywood home of LGBTQ activist and prominent Democratic donor Ed Buck is on the hands of the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department and District Attorney because it didn’t have to happen. Ed Buck should have been behind bars for the death of the first man who died in his house of an overdose.
Buck has since been accused by numerous young Black gay men of being a sexual predator, kidnapping, forced drug use, injecting them while unconscious with crystal meth, filing false police reports to cover his crimes, coercion, and pimping and pandering by multiple victims.
For two years we worked to bring forth witness after witness who told authorities about Ed Buck and how he uses the internet to stalk and prey on young, Black gay men who are usually homeless, HIV-positive, and often work as male escorts.
No one listened to them.

scott467

“This was written in Jan 2019 and the questions are even louder now.”
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The answers are both obvious and simple.
The perpetrator is a big Democrat donor, and the government is run by the people who take his bribes donations.
When you are a big Democrat donor, you get to rape and murder up to TWO gay black men in California.
The first gay black man that any big Democrat donor rapes and murders is a ‘freebie’.
The SECOND gay black man that any big Democrat donor rapes and murders will be considered poor taste and require a lot more hush money donations.
But raping and murdering THREE gay black men is a bridge too far, even in California.
They have their limits, you know.
If you are a bid Democrat donor, the limit on raping and murdering gay black men is the same number as it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie-Pop.
Three.

mollypitcher5

Thinking about all the many times ppl tagged Ted Leiu and Adam Schiff in texts through the last couple years and they never really condemned Buck or recommended further inquiry into what can only be thought of as a serial killer….makes me doubt that he’ll live to face the charges. I’d be willing to bet he knows some hush-hush secrets

gil00

Look at the pic from Buck’s arraignment. Hes been using meth pretty heavy compared to a year or 2 ago. He is also wearing an laso official straight jacket.comment image

mollypitcher5

Yeah he looks rugged. No meth for him will be rough going for awhile which also means he’s in a vulnerable state *if* he might be inclined to or knows any dirt on pols. Hope he’s under watch, not because I care about his life, I don’t but it’s getting to be a regular thing people being snuffed

scott467

“Hope he’s under watch, not because I care about his life, I don’t but it’s getting to be a regular thing people being snuffed”
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No worries, they put Epstein’s guards on the job.
Just need a convenient time to dismantle all the cameras, and they’re good to go. 👍

scott467

“No meth for him will be rough going for awhile…”
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He’s a rich guy, in prison.
No doubt his cup (of meth) overfloweth already.

nikkichico7

He looks like Gollum .. with hair …😳 …

Concerned Virginian

I say: ED BUCK will be “Epsteinized” before he can even go to trial. He knows too much about the CLINTONS (and perhaps some “others”).

scott467

Apparently the Democrats’ new ‘anti-lynching law’ doesn’t apply to prisoners who could expose them.

SteveInCO

Of course not.
Because if they got exposed, they’d get lynched. Lynching people who could expose them actually prevents lynching.
Therefore, by being willing to ignore lynching, they are anti-lynching.

crossthread42

LOVE, everyone here, We are *Moved*..
Our KIDS so LOVE this place (dogs)..
WE Are SORE & Tired..
(Our camera is packed up)..
I’ll try to get pics off our phone..
just got the ISP hooked up..
Love David & Angie

crossthread42

I cannot wait till I can post pictures.. In due time folks..

Concerned Virginian

crossthread42
I’m SO GLAD to hear of this news! Congratulations!

Gail Combs

Glad you found a nice new home and made the move safely. Now comes the pain of unpacking….

bakocarl

Welcome home!

Ddanna

So glad to hear you and Angie have gotten into your new place! I’m sure once everything is unpacked and settled it will be a wonderful place for good memories to start!

LM

Wonderful news!
You have traveled a long hard road and ended up in a beautiful place….so great to hear!

duchess01

Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered! God is Great in His Gifts!!!
God Bless You and Angie! We are all very happy for you!!!

gil00

Eat it Newsom. You signed it…suck it.. “whether YOU like it or not!”
“SACRAMENTO — A California-based federal judge said today he intends to issue a preliminary injunction suspending a new state law that would require Donald Trump and other candidates to release their tax returns to appear on primary ballots.
Plaintiffs representing Trump, his presidential campaign and the California Republican Party sued almost immediately to block California’s law, saying it was an unconstitutional infringement. Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, signed Senate Bill 27 into law in July.”
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2019/09/19/federal-judge-to-suspend-california-law-compelling-trump-tax-release-9393766

bakocarl

Done.
Judge halts California law forcing Trump to release tax returns
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article235271887.html

scott467

I was just reading an article OT when SD said this:
“CTH has often said ‘everything is about the economics’, because it is. Ask the ‘why’ question five times to any issue and you will find the root issue is money. Power, greed and control, it is all about the money and the economics.”
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It’s a great point.
And so I have a question.
I’ll ask it five times:
………………………….
1. Why did SD ban so many members of CTH last September?
2. Why did SD ban so many members of CTH last September?
3. Why did SD ban so many members of CTH last September?
4. Why did SD ban so many members of CTH last September?
5. Why did SD ban so many members of CTH last September?
………………………..
Ask the ‘why’ question five times to any issue and you will find the root issue is money.” — Sundance
So then, do we have our answer?

ForGodandCountry

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daughnworks247

In preparation for the birthday thread, I went back to July 25th, 2018, where SD took a post of mine (30 hours at Trump Speed) and combined it with Wolfie’s Roller Coast thread at the end.
SD put the two of us together.
Weird, eh?
We’re both here, now.
Until then, we were the only two SD made threads for. Wolfie’s was famous, I was flat out shocked when my notifications started blowing up.
But……..
I looked back at who commented on that thread……….. so many of you are here.
We were loyal. None of it makes sense. For months, Big T was convinced poor SD was going through a bad divorce and the bitter wife took over the thread. It changed overnight.
Something happened. Something big. It’s okay if we don’t know what it was. We’re happy, and we’re together.
Thanks, Wolfie.

Harry Lime

It was a perilous journey but Wolf led the way and victory was ours!
The Crossing…comment image

wolfmoon1776

HA! I love it!!!

foxglovemeadows

I remember those two posts like it was yesterday. They were/are so so good. Thank you both!!

SteveInCO

I wish I were one of those commenters–but I had been banned for over a year, then.

wolfmoon1776

I’m very thankful you reminded me about your post, Daughn – it has been so long, I forgot about it, but that was very important. We are “adhering” for a reason.
It has to do with this guy – the “many worlds” guy. Look at WHERE HE WORKED.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett_III
There is more to that story of how HIS stuff connects to US, but not now.
We are privileged to live in this history for a reason. Just HANG ON. Just HANG ON and TRUST GOD. Never stop trusting God.

daughnworks247

Understood.

duchess01

September 19, 2019
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