Dear KAG!: 20200312 Open Thread

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Oh, a heads up to all. Today is Thursday the 12th so tomorrow is…..


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phoenixrising37

Report from my home state, South Carolina
WEST COLUMBIA, S.C. (WCSC) – Officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have confirmed two cases of coronavirus in South Carolina, according to state health officials.
DHEC director Rick Toomey said one positive case was located in Charleston County and the other positive case was in Kershaw County.
According to DHEC officials, both cases are the two original presumptive cases that were announced last week involving an elderly woman in Kershaw County and a woman who had traveled overseas and returned to Charleston County.
https://www.live5news.com/2020/03/09/mcmaster-health-officials-hold-news-briefing-sc-novel-coronavirus-cases/
Note: article also includes “presumptive” cases so “total” is reported as 12…………… which is erroneous, imho. It appears that most numbers being released across the country include “presumptive” cases.
CDC reporting can’t be trusted, again, imho……………………

gil00

You stay healthy.

phoenixrising37

You also Gil… and your family.

gil00

No getting sick after your PNA! Theres a few more cases in the desert. Snowbirds catching from each other I think. They all usually go home by the end of April cause of the heat. I bet a lot are leaving if they can, but they better be careful they dont travel and spread it. Its going to be a rough 3-4 weeks here in CA.

phoenixrising37

We fuss alot about CA, but it’s the gov’t we dislike so much… not the people. My late brother lived in CA, Riverside – then Joshua Tree… his wife is still there. I pray that those living in CA will be protected – we know POTUS cares. (((Gil)))

gil00

Mr gil is from riverside. His family been there 50++ years. Thank you maam!

kea

The stock panic is just dumb but people are pointing at the ds and soros.
If I see one more comment on Bh that says I’m tired of winning I might smash my iPad.

ozzytrumpster

Buy, buy buy

coosmama

Lol, shower thoughts? (Those are rookie numbers!)
https:/twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1238197776858693635

coosmama
coosmama

I like “Quarentinnials”.

phoenixrising37

Good one Mama !

Volgarian8301

Generation Q

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

GA/FL

YOU GO, MR. PRESIDENT, SIR!
SALUTES!!!

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wolfmoon1776

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rf121_says_Media_Driven_Pandemic

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coosmama
socaristobo

This break will allow CNN to reinvent itself as the go to sports channel for premier soccer and curling events. With a little experience they can add professional billards and weightlifting to their schedule. It should revive ratings and give airport patrons something more uplifting to watch while they wait.

Deplorable Patriot

Premier soccer has been postponed as well.

gil00

More than a little notable.
“China shuts all 16 temporary coronavirus hospitals in Wuhan
By Yaron Steinbuch
March 11, 2020 | 10:31am
In a dramatic sign that the coronavirus crisis is improving in China, the last two of 16 temporary hospitals in the epicenter city of Wuhan have been shut down, according to a report.
The final group of 49 patients walked out of the Wuchang temporary hospital in the capital of Hubei province on Tuesday afternoon to cheers, according to the Xinhua news agency.
The 784-bed facility — which was converted from Wuchang Hongshan Stadium — opened Feb. 5 and received a total of 1,124 patients, according to the news outlet, which said 833 were discharged and 291 were transferred to other hospitals.”
https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/china-shuts-all-16-temporary-coronavirus-hospitals-in-wuhan/amp/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons&__twitter_impression=true

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Sorry, I don’t believe a damn thing coming from China. They’ve lied all along, infected and killed thousands of people all over the world. The only reason for them to close those hospitals is because the people are dead. All 8 Wuhan funeral homes were estimated to be cremating 1000 bodies/day. Their economy is in shambles, it was before the virus happened. They’ve launched a massive propaganda campaign to blame the US for this nightmare. Their trade bill is coming due in a few weeks. As far as I’m concerned we need to get ALL our people, businesses and supply chains out of that lying, stealing, cheating, thieving country, continue to tariff the crap out of them, and hold their feet to the fire on the trade deal. Then we kick them the HELL out of our country!!! Damn Communist Bastards!!!

gil00

I get that. Maybe not true but definitely noting, bc where are the people going?

Volgarian8301

Discharge just means from the facility. Those 833 could have gone home or to the morgue in any combination

kalbokalbs

Iran has mass burials for all to see.
China, crematorium when no one is looking?
We’ll never know the truth regarding Corona in Iran and China.

gil00

Maybe someone will shut the cabal down while we stay off the streets.

gil00

Marica

excellent!!

wolfmoon1776

Gotta defend the TP.

Marica

😂😂😂😂

gil00

I still cant find any. Cant get it shipped. I called cvs to ask when their shipment comes in. Im going to have to stake out cvs on tuesday morning for friggin tp.

Gail Combs

Don’t complain, YOU had plenty of warning!

Marica
TheseTruths

That would be great!

Marica

Ground report from outside Louisville, KY!!
Got a call around 1 today from very level headed Daughter who told me to drop everything right now and go to the grocery store now! Her boss is a well connected “mover-shaker”—The nation is getting ready to be shut down…and after they announce school closings…the shelves will be wiped out..
Went to my little Walmart first shelf I saw had Paper towels and 3 packs of Puffs Kleenex! Ok! 12 of each for me!
So I do a casual look around the store–No panicky people just regular shoppers but quite a few more than i see in the middle of the day. There were 3 aisles wiped clean…the TP aisle, the bottled water aisle (both I don’t need) and the Peanut Butter shelves were Lean–I bought Skippy with Honey LOL (souvenir) $250 later..I’m all stocked up!!!
Schools are closed until April 6, 2020–daughter just texted me! Welcome to THE GREAT AWAKENING!!!! Love you guys!!!! Stay safe out there!!! WWG1WGA!!!!

wolfmoon1776

Good stuff!!!

Marica

1 of each–not 12!! sheesh!

kea

I was worried about that 12 for a second! 😉

phoenixrising37

My Dad lived through the Depression and in his twilight years (lived to be 90) always had extra groceries. Family thought he was a hoarder; I tried explaining to some and then gave up! But since about 2012 I guess, I have been a semi-prepper… I say semi because I haven’t buried coins in the yard, or stashed TP in PVC hung from the rafters in the garage as some do… I stick to mostly having plenty of reserves of staples, paper goods and canned goods. We have a well and when we lose electricity (which happens more frequently than one would think) we don’t have water, so I keep gals of distilled water for flushing, and some bottled water for drinking. Grandson and his girlfriend laugh at me because I don’t deplete my reserves, but replace them. They can laugh… I know I have lots of rice and dried beans in the pantry… and a few other things. Never have to worry about rushing out if an ice storm is coming, or hurricane. We’re always ready.

Marica

This Makes me happy sista!!! I don’t wanna think about you runnin outa stuff!!!! My parents–83 and 85 were depression babies! My momma IS ALWAYS STOCKED and Saves…(our joke) 3 leftover peas from dinner..Then turns it into a feast the next day!!! Maybe we get to get back to that again!!!!

phoenixrising37

I hope so Marica… we waste so much food.
We’re all going to be fine Sweet Girl… we just need to remember to look out for each other.
WWG1WGA !

Marica

This crazy—But…We WIN!!! I gotta SMILE–Like da Cheshire cat!!!😃

Marica
SteveInCO

Why do you need distilled water to flush your toilet?
Just keep some tap water in containers.

phoenixrising37

I don’t need distilled water… it’s the cheapest to buy… sometimes we lose electricity without warning… need to have ready to hand.

SteveInCO

Sure. So keep the empty bottles and fill them from your tap for next time. That’s even cheaper.

phoenixrising37

I do Steve…

Gail Combs

I just use empty soda bottles or any large bottles. We get the big unsented All for the laundry and I always clean out the bottles and save them for storing water. You can place them on their side and use them for washing and rinsing your hands. (We have a well too.) Add 8 to 10 drops of Clorox per gallon to sanitize the well water if you are going to store the water for any length of time. I carry a few with me in the summer so I have water for my animals.comment image

kalbokalbs

PR, Being ready reflects wisdom. Me thinks.

kalbokalbs

Water for flushing? Maybe consider fill bath tub, totes, trash cans. That have not been used for trash…
In the Philippines we have large trash cans (never used for trash) filled with water for when the water goes off. Which is frequently. Perfect for flushing…

phoenixrising37

well, we do the bathtubs… had not considered lg trash cans… good idea !

kalbokalbs

Trash can IF not new, can be lined with one of those really large trash bags for leaves.

phoenixrising37

yes, always have the bags for leaves… live in the woods, lots of leaves and can’t burn them all !

gil00

Our stuff is being wiped clean here already.

wolfmoon1776

Look at what is being covered up here – THE COUP EXPOSED.
https://twitter.com/WOLFM00N/status/1238234629548773377

Gail Combs

Hey Wolfie did you see this?
How to take the disaster the Cabal handed you and use it against them!comment image
Found it here: https://twitter.com/cjtruth/status/1238170072352526339

wolfmoon1776

I think this might be true, but I can’t say exactly why.
It’s a real event. And yet it’s also cover.
Remember what I love to say? REALITY IS THE BEST COVER.

kea
Sadie Slays

Maybe the country is better off with the circuses cancelled, the children out of Leftist indoctrination centers for months, the gas prices down, and Congress at a standstill. If there wasn’t a severe economic attack on our country, I’d consider it a good start.

kea

We were saying that on the other page.

plateaufortrump

So true there is a great lesson for our children and grandchildren as they watch this unfold because even they cannot ignore the hypocritical media.

kea

Ok, hell has frozen over. Yahoo had a positive article?!?!?!? You ok Yahoo??????
‘Don’t panic’ says US woman who recovered from coronavirus
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dont-panic-says-us-woman-recovered-coronavirus-055155667.html

kea

Does EVERY company now have to email me about how they are handling the coronavirus? I’ve never gotten so much mail in a long time!!! Time to do a HRC and delete some emails.

Marica
GA/FL

They are adorable!
How about corona virus shaped crystal dangle earrings?comment image

Marica

LOL!!!! These would be great GA!

SteveInCO

I swear I’ve seen koosh balls (or something similar) that look a lot like that.

MAGA Mom

I get the humor in the bathroom tissue earrings but I don’t get the humor in earrings of a virus that has killed thousands and is on track to kill thousands more.
However, we all have our own ways of dealing with stress and sometimes dark humor helps.

SteveInCO

comment image

GA/FL
Marica

Wiped……….OUT!😂😂😂😂💩

phoenixrising37

Excellent! Chalk another one up for Marica!

Marica

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

GA/FL

Trigger Warning – graphic images!

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

LOLOLOL!!! 😂😂

Marica
phoenixrising37

https://twitter.com/martingeddes/status/1238097443394379776?s=20
Martin Geddes
@martingeddes
If you were rounding up Bad Criminals you would want to prevent them doing Bad Things to the public. Emptying all targets (schools, sports stadia, transport) for a while makes the chance of harm lower. To achieve this you would need a convincing cover story. Can you think of one?
9:40 AM · Mar 12, 2020

SteveInCO

I hope that isn’t what’s going on here.
The cost of this is HUGE.

Gail Combs

The Chinese let out by chance or intentionally a Bio-weapon virus. The Cabal sees it as a way to get rid of President Trump. President Trump takes steps to contain the virus, protect the public…
And would this be a really good opportunity to round up LOTS of bad actors while preventing them from causing any more mayhem?

SteveInCO

I suppose I should clarify.
If Trump takes the opportunity this affords, fine and dandy!
But it seemed to me like someone was speculating that Trump was CAUSING this situation to exploit it. That would be horrific.

GA/FL
GA/FL

When you are serious about virus protection….
https://twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1237872230568058883

kea

That’s like my Aldi store. LOL

singularzoe

Hand sanitizer? I’ve been looking everywhere for it for days. I think I’ve given up. Want some Purell.

TheseTruths

Here’s one recipe I’ve seen for making your own:
2/3 cup of rubbing alcohol, of the highest percentage you can find
1/3 cup aloe vera gel
a few drops of an essential oil (lavender, vanilla, tea tree, etc.)
No one ever suggest mixing some soap in it. If anyone knows whether there would be a problem with that, please share.

TheseTruths

*suggests*

kea

LOL Harvey Weinstein

MAGA Mom

Humor in a time of seriousness. I am so proud of this TN student!
I don’t see the problem – he was Not withholding from people in need such as holding out on sick people. Entrepreneur!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/329215390792477/permalink/1061553844225291/

Marica
Linda

phoenixrising37

That’s our POTUS !

daughnworks247

Ha!!!!!!!!!
We called that one earlier today!!!!!!
We are the news now!

kea
GA/FL

H191 affected younger patients the most, but this virus more greatly affects seniors with underlying health problems.

Sadie Slays

Yeah, the American death toll deserves a big ol’ asterisk next to it considering 19 of the 39 deaths came from one single nursing home. Who knows what kind of medical neglect and practices were going on there…

daughnworks247

Starting to wonder if we have a WuFlu problem or a nursing home problem in Washington.

jamcooker

That particular Kirkland nursing home apparently had a lot of issues, at least that is what my daughter was telling me. (She works in a visiting program for smaller homes, but like any business, those in the business know and hear things that are not commonly known.) It’s “funny” because Kirkland is an upper middle class area too.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

It’s both. Someone, probably a healthcare worker, took it to the NH. It spread to the patients and last I heard 60-70 more staff/healthcare workers, police, and firefighters, 1st responders. They didn’t test, quarantine, nothing, just let it go unchecked the end of last week. Finally the # of deaths and relatives raising hell produced action. Community spread now has WA with over 300 cases. Now it’s been introduced into a 2nd NH.

daughnworks247

We had a huge scandal in Florida Nursing Homes in the 80’s.
Always a problem.
I recall when we finally had to put my Great-great Aunt Hazel in a nursing home. I missed her so much.
Used to leave work at lunch and go go and eat lunch with her every day. Brought friends with me.
Funny, our constant presence made the staff pay more attention to her. Don’t abandon our elders. Gotta check in on them.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

I used to visit my Dad weekly. I brought him clean clothes and made nurses read his chart to me. They even let me take my Aussie in to visit. Papa really loved that. He missed his GrandDoggie. I’ve got pictures of him smiling BIG as Max stood up on the side of the bed to givie him kisses. 💞 My puppy also cheered up the other residents, everybody wanted to pet him. He was in puppy heaven with all the attention. 🥰

Gail Combs

We have a friend who takes her service dogs to nursing homes. Sometimes we take our ponies. I have one old fellow who is so gentle I can take him right up to a wheelchair so the person can pet him.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

Such Joy!! 😍

jamcooker

Kirkland, which is on the e side of Lk WA, across from Seattle, and 25% of the firemen in Kirkland.

🦋🤸‍♀️🦋bflyjesusgrl🦋🤸‍♀️🦋

I’ve been saying this for a while now. 📣📣📣
30 of 38 deaths are in Washington State. The majority of those are from the Nursing Home. It skews the true number. Remove the NH cases and deaths to get a more accurate picture.

wolfmoon1776

Which is what I said at the very beginning – what I saw that shocked the hell out of me! I looked at that mortality vs. age graph and I *freaked*!!! This was a flu that was modified to kill OLD PEOPLE. It’s “too good” at what it does. It is a Stalinist’s DREAM!!! It’s a medical ICEBERG to float grandpa and grandma off on a piece of ice to DIE.
And in my opinion, the CHICOMS may very well have FIELD-TESTED it in their PRISONS, on dissidents.

kea

That’s what my neighbor said a few weeks ago.

Gail Combs

And I have been saying for a while.
It is the PERFECT Bio-weapon.

kea

See how dangerous the CCP is.

phoenixrising37

Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
·
53m
2) Fox is told Hse must vote on coronavirus bill tonight to instill confidence in the market – showing lawmakers are doing something – unpaid leave, unemployment insurance, free testing – before the market opens in the morning. “We have to instill confidence,” said one aide
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
·
12m
Fox is told the House will likely handle the coronavirus bill tomorrow as a “suspension.” That means they can bring the measure directly to the floor without having the Rules Committee meet about it. Would need 2/3 vote. That means there is significant GOP buy-in on this bill
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
·
22m
Pelosi on coronavirus bill: It’s fair to say we are close to an agreement subject to an exchange of paper and hope to have an agreement tomorrow

NYGuy

That stuff is all well and good. What I am reading is the investors are worried about a very deep recession. That seems to be driving this.

Gail Combs

I do not see one in the USA.
This virus does NOT like warm weather. Like most flu/colds it will disappear as soon as it warms up. When it does there will be a drive to bring MORE manufacturing esp medical back to the USA.
The rest of the world may take a slump but I think the USA will come roaring back. China and the EU on the other hand maybe in deep caca.

kea
daughnworks247

Chinese selling……… just like 2008.

kea

Ahhhh that explains it. Make China pay is all I’m saying

phoenixrising37

https://twitter.com/LisaMei62/status/1238254865681461253?s=20
Lisa Mei Crowley Frog face
@LisaMei62
·
1h
Higher risk of….?
Quote Tweet
Washington Examiner
@dcexaminer
· 1h
“I’m in a higher-risk group.”
77-year-old @JoyVBehar announces she is taking time off from @TheView over concerns for her health amid the outbreak of the coronavirus.
https://washex.am/38Lxr0z

GA/FL

Higher risk = senior citizen with underlying serious health conditions.
That is the group most greatly affected by this year’s coronavirus.

Teagan

Just read an article about the northern Italy situation (2 doctors’ assessment)…lots of much younger patients needing respiratory treatments but huge lack of necessary equipment so hospitals forced to triage. No surgeries, bringing in medical students to help treat…hospital system very overloaded and on verge of collapse.
Perhaps a preview of what could happen here.

Teagan

Gosh…sorry I jumped to post before reading the more complete story about Italy below.

wolfmoon1776

Look what happened with Japan’s early and strong action:comment image

SteveInCO

So…pretty much everyone, besides Japan, is on the SAME exponential curve. It’s just that we are 11.5 days behind Italy; less than two weeks from now we will be significantly worse off than Italy is today.

wolfmoon1776

That’s what it looks like at first, but I think it’s about to change BIGLY. I think the graphs will show a sharp inflection for the US beginning on 3/12.
Based on what I’m hearing, there is MASSIVE action on protecting the elderly. Nursing home residents are basically going into a vault. Even folks like me are dropping out everywhere into all the recommended protections. I think we even have a chance of doing surprisingly well.

SteveInCO

A lot of individual actions will help. And of course private organizations are taking steps (described by some as “overreactions”), which is as it should be in a free country.
The irony is if all this works, we’ll never hear the end of it from people who think that our lesser “hit” from this is all proof that we “panicked” unnecessarily.

GA/FL

I do not see that happening to young healthy people here, except to heavy smokers or street people. Italy has a lot of Asians/Chinese now and those males are usually heavy smokers.

TheseTruths

I wonder if she has symptoms.

coosmama
phoenixrising37

https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1238275152804102144?s=20
Praying Medic
@prayingmedic
·
4m
Swamp Draining Update.
Grenell Freezes Hiring At ODNI, Evaluates Staffing Cuts.
Acting Intelligence Chief Freezes Hiring and Looks to Cut Office
Some intelligence officers feared that a review of the office’s staff and mission was politically motivated. Senior officials denied the charge.
nytimes.com – [sorry, I won’t post a link to slime Times *smile* phoenix]

daughnworks247

Swing the ax

bakocarl

It seems there are a number of people in responsible positions at ODNI and other locations whose actions ARE politically motivated . . . against PTrump. So, if there is a purge of those ‘Rats . . . great! Let’s get people in there who will be 100% committed to PTrump’s goals!!!

bakocarl

More experiences from Italy –
*

Italian doctor – "many" young people in hospital, "even 20-year-olds with no underlying conditions, in need of assisted breathing" from China_Flu

Italian doctor – “many” young people in hospital, “even 20-year-olds with no underlying conditions, in need of assisted breathing”
Local Report: Italy
The “just the flu” crowd might want to know this.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
ITV News has obtained a recording of two Milanese doctors about the situations at their hospitals over coronavirus. Credit: AP
I’m just back from Italy and “enjoying” my first day of self-isolation.
Getting a real picture of how bad the situation is, especially in Lombardy and the north, has been really difficult for TV news because movement is so restricted, access to the overwhelmed hospitals impossible and the danger of infection so great.
But it’s really important people understand just how bad things are, not least because it is where we may be headed.
So I will continue to write here about conversations, emails or recordings with those who are still under quarantine in Italy.
Some will be Britons who have stayed on, some Italians, some doctors. I start with a voice recording of two Milanese doctors speaking on WhatsApp about the situation at their hospitals.
The first identifies herself as Martina, but I believe she is Martina Crivellari, an intensive care cardiac anaesthesiologist at the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan.
She said: “There are a lot of young people in our Intensive Care Units (ICUs) – our youngest is a 38-year-old who had had no comorbidities (underlying health problems).
“A lot of patients need help with breathing but there are not enough ventilators.
“They’ve told us that starting from now we’ll have to choose who to intubate – priority will go to the young or those without comorbidities.
“At Niguarda, the other big hospital in Milan, they are not intubating anyone over 60, which is really, really young.”
She added: “This virus is so infectious that the only way to avoid a ‘massacre’ is to have the least number possible getting infected over the longest possible timescale.
“Right now, if we get 10,000 people in Italy in need of ventilators – when we only have 3,000 in the country – 7,000 people will die.
“Rome right now is like where Milan was 10 days ago. In 10 days there has been an incredible escalation.
“Lombardy, which has the best healthcare in the country, is collapsing, so I don’t dare to think what would happen in less efficient regions.
“We’ve had no critical cases among children but with children, viruses are much less aggressive – think chickenpox or measles.
“But the very young are crazy carriers.
“A child with no symptoms will go to visit its grandparents, and basically kill them. So it’s essential to avoid contact between them”.
The other voice on the recording is a male doctor who we have so far not been able to identify, except that he works at Niguarda Hospital in Milan, one of the biggest in the city.
“We have closed down entire wards, and reduced the number of beds in traditional wards.
“All operations have been cancelled, GP surgeries closed so the that the GPs can come in and be ward doctors.
“The number of ICU beds has been tripled. There was even pressure to take over our Cardiac ICU.”
“All the resuscitation bays are full. They’re having to triage, deciding who to intubate and who to let die.”
He added: “You have no idea how many young people are here, I mean even 20-year-olds with no underlying conditions, in need of assisted breathing because of horrible pneumonia.
“There aren’t the resources to screen doctors for Covid-19 anymore – they’re just telling them ‘stay home if you have symptoms, otherwise come to work’.”
He continued: “Non-specialised medical graduates are being brought in.
“At Milan’s Policlinico hospital they are dealing with 50 new pneumonia cases every day”.
The World Health Organisation ranks Italy second in the world for health care provision, with only France rated higher. The UK is 18th.
That is across the whole country, but Lombardy is the richest region in Italy and likely to be way ahead of some regions in the south.
And yet even a system as good as this is teetering on the brink.
How would the NHS cope if – or perhaps we should say when – our infection rate is as high as Italy’s?
Let’s hope the Italian experience is giving us time to prepare.
Deislermilan
71 points
5 hours ago
We learnt this from China/Korea/Japan weeks ago.
25% infected will need O2 medical support, and 8% need ICU.
Any healthcare system will be crippled in no time.
Sadly most governments rather wait until the inevitable comes.
spiritof1789
5 hours ago
Yes we did. I’ve been watching since Wuhan. All those body bags can’t just have been “old people with underlying health conditions”.
I’ve been trying to warn anyone who will listen, but we’re going to have to watch the tragedy unfold. Sigh.
Deislermilan
5 hours ago
Exactly.
When the hospitals are filled with patients, those “just a flu” people will regret their ignorance.
No matter how healthy or young people are, there is always a chance that people will need hospitalization after infection.
And if they cannot get a bed, then the only thing they can do is to pray and wait for death or survival.
Exactly what happened in Wuhan till early/mid Feb.

kea

It would be interesting to know if any of these young people are Italians, migrants or Chinese? Not downplaying this at all but just thinking out loud.
Ironic that the NYT even said Italy is overwhelmed and they need to stem the flow.

phoenixrising37

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Dutch National Charged in Takedown of Obscene Website Selling Over 2,000 “Real Rape” and Child Pornography Videos..
Another one down Clapping hands sign
Dutch National Charged in Takedown of Obscene Website Selling Over
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/dutch-national-charged-takedown-obscene-website-selling-over-2000-real-rape-and-child

Elizabeth Carter

While everything is shut down…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oDfnOzarwo

ozzytrumpster

Trump Administration to delay April 15 tax deadline for most individuals. Somebody on Free Republic pointed out, because of this illness the country is about to see first hand that we don’t need big expensive universities to study university material, but rather we can sit in front of a computer and get a degree. Government and insurance paying for preventive medical testing can happen, and helps lower healthcare costs later on. Government paying for sick days can be a good thing for overall healthcare costs and health. Now people are going to see what it is like without having individual taxes to pay, at least for a while. So if Trump was going to head to an IRS-free national-sales/import-tariff tax, destroy the present higher education system and replace it with something else, and kill a bunch of Iranian elites, it might look like this. Either this is all The Plan, or Trump is the King of making Lemonade out of Lemons.

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We don’t need them anymore. Think of all the money that will be saved!!
https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1238271070655983622?s=20

Gail Combs

AND MOST OF THE EXPENSE IS ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF!

kea

Trump is the King of making Lemonade out of Lemons.—– Yup this right here.
Image Mom/Dad working from home while the kid is being homeschooled.

daughnworks247

NYGuy

He is going to have to put his own eyebrows on now.

kea

Or his eyebrows are making a run for it

NYGuy

they are going to the left of course.

wolfmoon1776

LMAO!!!

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Interesting article on how Jared is gathering info for POTUS.

bakocarl

Recommendations input to Jared Kushner for consideration –
1) Nationalize as in war time production of PPE’s, testing kits and ventilators
2) Suspend EMTALA (the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act)
3) Activate FEMA and DMAT teams
4)Pop up Field Hospitals with ICU capability Israel seems to have expertise
5)Decentralized testing away from hospital or if on hospital away from ED (emergency department)
6)Drive through testing capability and I would add pulse ox capability
7)Draconian travel restrictions
8)Canceling all mass gatherings
9)Massive marketing of PSA explaining what patients to do especially not going to ED if not in respiratory distress (Need to refine this message )
10)National Telemedicine for screening
11)Locking down Nursing Homes require all care givers in full gear and frequent testing
12)Use state ACEP (American College of Emergency Physicians) for some sort of incident command structure
13)Use emergency funding to compensate quarantined

kalbokalbs

Great ideas. Jared has been a great asset for President Trump!
FWIW, US Military has good depth of field hospitals. IIRC, scaled to mission. Complete with ICUs, operating theaters (if that is the word), etc. Dunno about isolation rooms /wards angle. Used extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Elizabeth Carter
NYGuy

Asian markets freaking out. Hang on. Friday the 13th will be a wild ride.

daughnworks247

Have you seen it???????? OMG!!!!!!!!
They are reacting to our market today.
Apparently, Pelosi has been given an ultimatum, vote tomorrow or else.

kea

Nancy really knows how to bring people together… Which bill the one potus wants or the pork bill from the dems? I’m guessing porky?
Need to get stuff without the dems

NYGuy

I believe it’s going to be bloody. Whatever Congress does will only be a temporary fix. Investment companies are saying that negative GDP is unavoidable now lasting through the remainder of the year. China has a serious liquidity issue so they are going to sell. So hang on….

kea

I think I’ll just turn off the news. Too much panic. As long as Trump gets 4 more years I know we will be ok.
But my advisor even said before all this started that it’s an election year expect a bumpy ride….

wolfmoon1776

I’m watching old people – not money. I know where God banks.

kea

Well that too!

jamcooker

Just talked to my daughter that teaches, and although Inslee says he’s closing Seattle area schools for 2 weeks as recommended, they were told the schools will be closed for SIX weeks. Needless to say, there are a lot of unhappy parents, students and teachers.

daughnworks247
daughnworks247

I’m kind of confused.
This evening, we see warnings from Merkel of Germany = expect 70% of Germany to be infected.
Drudge headline of low at 700K to high of 1.5 million Americans who need ICU = total of 150 million Americans
Why isn’t the same thing happening in China and South Korea?

Linda

Excellent question.

kea

Like the healine about Ohio?
Either it’s to panic more people… Which seems to be what they are trying to do.
But this brings up the issue of the receptors that’s Asians have more of than Europeans? So shouldn’t it be worst Japan & Sk?

kea

You know IF that were the case why doesn’t Merkel do something like shut things down. I think that’s your answer right there. What does Germany or France or uk do vs USA.

kalbokalbs

Drudge aligned with D-Rats and MCM.
The news out of Italy alarming. Numbers with Corona continue to explode. Same with deaths. AND, reports of numerous young needing assistance breathing. Ongoing triage…those over 60 may as well go home.

MAGA Mom

China = Liars
Plus, if leaked videos are to be believed, China took drastic and horrific actions to stop the spread.
South Korea – stopped travel from China in stricter terms than did the US.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/coronavirus-these-countries-airlines-restrict-travel-to-china
We have been slow to ban incoming travelers. I blame the hysterical reaction from Dems and media when President Trump banned travel from China for him not banning travel from Italy and other countries sooner. Italian travel seems to have been the source for a number of original cases that have now lead to community spread infections. Many countries banned travel from Italy by the 3rd week of Feb, as soon as their numbers started to climb. We did not.
In addition to stricter and more travel bans, they also took immediate aggressive nationwide action, closing schools, public events, etc., very early and quickly:
“The national government has shuttered schools, cancelled events, and asked companies to scatter working hours and keep employees at home if they experience coughs or other respiratory symptoms. It advised people to avoid crowded indoor spaces and pleaded that those who recently visited Daegu or nearby areas stay at home if possible for two weeks, asking reporters to exercise the same caution.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/south-korea-goes-on-high-alert-over-virus-italy-battles-to-contain-outbreak-2020-02-23
Lastly, they took Aggressive action in investigating & tracing case origins then testing widely all who had come in contact with the infected cases v. waiting for symptoms.
Our state governments are Not doing this and it is frustrating!
Example: TN had a case in Williamson County (just south of Nashville) that brought the infection into our state after traveling. He spread the virus before becoming ill. They are only notifying and monitoring those people with whom he came in close sustained contact such as family members. They are not announcing other locations of possible exposure so that those when may have crossed paths with him can be aware, self isolate and monitor their health. Example: in the several days between his arrival home and his becoming ill did he go to Whole Foods, Costco, the gym, a coffee house? Announce his locations and the time he was there so we can make better decisions. They did cancel schools because his children live in close proximity to him and if infected had been in schools in the mean time. But what about everywhere else he had been?
And now there are more and more cases being tested and confirmed as the community infections spread. Frustrating! Give us the information and let us decide if we cross paths and ought to quarantine or ought to take our illnesses seriously or just chalk it up to seasonal/regular flu. There is NO way that the state gov should be so secretive!
I called today and asked for the info…they said, No, they are contacting all the people the patients tell them about. I said what about those who the patient does not know, that he/she just happened to cross paths with, pointing out the distance of a cough/sneeze and the length their germs lived after they had passed through public areas.
She just stuck to her scripted answers. I started getting upset but told her I knew she was just doing as she was told but would she please pass on that citizens are not happy about the secrecy.
Another example: A doctor at Vanderbilt (or a health care worker…I am not clear) has been dinsangosed. I called to find out in what department he works. They refused to say. That leaves Everyone who works at Vandy or who went to any medical service wondering…did I cross paths with this person? Again, they just kept saying that they were in contact with all of the staff and patients that this person had been in contact with. What about their non work life? Grocery stores? coffee shops? What about casual contact or being in the same elevator, cafeteria, etc.? I was so frustrated!!!
But had to let it go ’cause wasn’t going to change anything.
I think our “leaders” have just accepted that it is in the community and the best/most they can do is slow the spread. I figure they don’t want to give out that info so as to avoid panic. I would rather they provide info and I be better prepared to make choices and decisions.
Prayers for POTUS as he seems to have been exposed. Praying the infection rate slows to what our medical system can handle properly!

MAGA Mom

TN health dept in Nash
615-741-7247
Just realized this isn’t the Wuhan Flu thread so sorry for long Wuhan Flu post when giving my 2 cents to the above question. But its the end of the day and new thread just started so hopefully not cluttering up the thread for anyone

kea

I think it’s amazing that Trump was able to stop the flights from China without them running to the courts
.
I think another case that popped up in MO was another young person who had traveled to Austria.
Again an example:
Top Ohio Health Official Estimates 100,000 in State Have Coronavirus
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/top-ohio-health-official-estimates-100000-in-state-have-coronavirus/
People again are asking how does she know?
And we keep having different numbers pop up. Bing has different death/recovery numbers than other sites. So nothing is consistent at all.

bakocarl

Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17
*https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back
Ohhhhh! There it is . . . 17.
Is this SCMP’s opening salvo in an attempt to blame this pandemic on Q?

Linda

Is anyone else getting emails from every business who has your email talking about their coronavirus response? I just got one from the tire center I recently bought tires from! smh
I was also shocked to get an email from my pastor saying they are cancelling services for the next few weeks and working on broadcasting sermons live on Youtube. This is getting really crazy!

Sadie Slays

i suspect that “Priest spreads coronavirus while giving Communion” high-profile story was planted by the media Satanists as a means of discouraging people from going to church. In fact, I suspect a lot of the pressure church leaders are under to cancel church activity is coming from Deep State plants trying to attack Christianity.

phoenixrising37

Amen to that Sadie !

wolfmoon1776

Agreed!!!

Linda

I think you’re right about that, Sadie. It really upset me, because this is letting them win. On the other hand, my church has a very high population of people over 70. So I can see that side of it, too.

Sadie Slays

I feel the same way about this whole thing.

bakocarl

Yup!

kalbokalbs

Northern NV ground report.
Carson City Costco. Visited 6 PM today. Parking lot nearly full. Shopping carts mostly full. More flats with groceries than normal. Typically those are small businesses. Not today. regular folks judging by their intended purchases.
– Numerous pallets spaces ground level empty. Have NEVER seen that. Probably 15-20% pallet spaces above (temp storage) empty. Latter reflects logistics supply chain VERY STRESSED.
– No rice. Yesterday four pallet spaces full of rice. No TP and no paper towels. ONLY water was pallet or two Arrowhead. Kirkland water gone.
– Looked like Black Friday shopping, except shoppers were buying food (canned, boxed, frozen, chilled), cleaning stuff ALL HEAVILY HIT. Night restocking crew will earn their wages tonight.
– Vitamins holding their own.
– Costco staff not their normal perky selves. Looked exhausted.
Can’t say hysteria or anything negative. Folks getting ready for what looks inevitable. Lock down / quarantine of sorts.
UNR – University of Nevada, Reno. Spring break starts this weekend. Students told don’t return after spring break. ALL classes will be online through end of semester mid-May.
Wish to hell local junior high would cancel classes for three or four weeks. NOT interested in two Grandsons we fend for bringing Corona home ;-(
NV Corona doubled since yesterday. Was seven. Now fourteen. Dunno where they are located. Mostly Vegas I would think. Thinking NV will declare a health emergency of sorts. Also dunno what that entails for everyday folks.
Looks like moar plinking and ATV time in desert 😉

Sadie Slays

If anyone needs rice, check the local ethnic markets. Saw plenty today while shopping.

kalbokalbs

Yes they commonly have nice stash of rice.
Should have put in my ground report the following. Local Filipino grocery store, in a strip mall. Heavily picked over.
– Only a half dozen bags of rice left.
– As I arrived there roughly 7PM, one guy with CA plates was loading half dozen sacks of rice in his truck 😉

bakocarl

All those cases are in Reno. Even the 2 that were in Vegas have been moved to Reno. None down here. Nope. Not even one . . . especially in Pahrump!

kalbokalbs

Any idea why Reno? Vegas has great hospitals, or so I thought. Yesterday had read five in Vegas. But, got it. Now in Reno. Large hospital or two in Reno. Plus a VA hospital. No idea its capabilities.
Yea, Pahrump’s a good place to be. Continue to believe ya’ll ought to blockade NV 160 at both ends of town, a few other minor roads and have Pahrump to yourselves. Healthier I would guess.

bakocarl

Unfprtunately, probably 25% of the people in Pahrump work in Vegas. They’ll (probably already have) bring the big CV with ’em back up over the hump when they return.

plateaufortrump

Enjoyed my stay in Pahrump two years ago in my RV. I stayed a week for $120 at the Saddle West Casino and RV Park as my base into Death Valley,etc.

MAGA Mom

Looks like NV is aggressively testing. good for them!
http://dpbh.nv.gov/coronavirus/
Probably extra precautions because so many community spread through unknown contacts in next door CA? Interesting that CA buyers are putting additional stress on NV supply chains/supplies.
From CA Dept of Health…
Of all the confirmed positive cases:
Age 0 – 17: 4 cases
Age 18 – 64: 113 cases
Age 65+: 79 cases
Unknown: 2 cases
24 – Cases of positive tests related to federal repatriation flights
174 – Cases not related to repatriation flights
60 – Travel-related
43 – Person to person
44 – Community transmission
27 – Under investigation
https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR-019.aspx

Sadie Slays

45 days difference between Kobe Bryant’s death and March 11th (which is when the WuFlu panic really hit the US, IMO, with the cancellations, Presidential address, stock market crash, etc.). I suspect he may have been a high-level occult sacrifice.

Volgarian8301

This is from October, but is a VERY thought provoking read

bakocarl

My head hurts!

kea

I think I get it… maybe… so what the feds are doing now is what they are talking about?
I think…? I think I need a drink after reading that.

geneticallycatholic

Folks, SD just did a post on FISA (link below). The reason that I am posting this, is the great Sydney Powell had a comment on it…. how the DOJ has a long history of collapsing FARA in to FISA. Here’s the link to Sydney’s comment and the actual text of her comment.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/12/amid-ongoing-fight-fisa-will-lapse-mcconnell-hopes-to-assemble-vote-next-week-but-trump-may-veto/#comment-7927601
Sidney Powell says:
March 12, 2020 at 10:10 pm
With Brandon Van Grack from the Mueller CreepsOnAMission.com in charge of the FARA section at DOJ–and it’s already long history of collapsing FARA into FISA–the changes amount to NOTHING. It should be vetoed until people are prosecuted for the violations that happened already and eliminated any application of it with respect to Americans. There are multiple legal provisions that apply to prohibit lying to courts and making up charges against General Flynn, the President and others. They need to be enforced. New prohibitions don’t matter a whit when existing ones are not enforced.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/12/amid-ongoing-fight-fisa-will-lapse-mcconnell-hopes-to-assemble-vote-next-week-but-trump-may-veto/

phoenixrising37

iirc, FARA being collapsed into FISA has been known since the beginning of the persecution of Flynn…

geneticallycatholic

I think maybe Qtreepers know this, but there are many new commenters on CTH, and perhaps that’s why Ms. Powell commented as she did…

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POTUS Retweet – This is why the FDA can’t allow medical workers access to masks, Congress must change law.