Lies, Damn Lies, and Chronologistics

Seeking the Truth About Joe Biden’s Two Marriages

What follows is not exactly what I thought I would write, originally. I didn’t know where, exactly, this would go. I’m not even sure now, that it went where it went. It’s almost too unbelievable. We may be looking at so many lies, the truth may never be found.

Or maybe it will be found, and very soon, and it will be EXTRAORDINARY.

Buckle up. We are now in uncharted territory.

1 – The Cheaters

Something really stinks about Joe Biden. I knew there was something strange about his relationship with Jill, after his first wife’s death in a car accident. I couldn’t really put my finger on it, until I read a piece by the guy who was Jill’s first husband. He claimed that Jill had an AFFAIR with Biden that broke up their marriage.



That almost settled things, but I was bothered by the fact that the first husband seemed so POSITIVE toward Biden, despite him breaking up their marriage. That is not entirely impossible – but still, there was something strange about it that just bothered me.

Now, the thing is, the dates leave open a LOT of possibilities – including the possibility that the affair between Jill and Joe starting BEFORE Biden’s first wife Neilia died. And THAT gets ugly.

But I had no idea HOW ugly.

SO – I was already suspicious that things were weird.

But THEN I saw an allegation that Joe and Jill got involved EVEN EARLIER.


Sounds like rampant nasty speculation to me, but still, things ARE weird in HAIR-SNIFFER PARADISE.

Actually, I got to THAT tweet through an even more shocking tweet – a reply to it.

Let’s just save that image…..

In fact, let’s save that tweet, too…..

And then there was ANOTHER one in the thread.

THAT is a much better picture!

Heck – let’s save that, too.

Replies to this tweet include assertions that this was taken when Jill was divorced and Neilia was gone, as well as that it was photoshopped.

Seems like an insoluble mess, right?

2 – Finding The Photo

Well, the truth is, this picture appears in a German online magazine, and was allegedly posted by one of Jill’s granddaughters on Twitter.–das-fotoalbum-der-familie-biden_22350110-22349236.html

Nach dem tragischen Verlust seiner Frau und Tochter 1972 lernte Senator Joe Biden seine zukünftige Frau die Englischlehrerin Jill Jacobs bei einem Blind Date kennen. Die beiden heirateten am 17. Juni 1977 in New York, 1981 kam die gemeinsame Tochter Ashley zur Welt.
Enkelin Naomi twitterte dieses schöne Bild der beiden damals frisch Verliebten mit den Worten: “Zusammen sind die beiden weit gekommen”.


After the tragic loss of his wife and daughter in 1972, Senator Joe Biden met his future wife, English teacher Jill Jacobs, on a blind date. The two married in New York on June 17, 1977, and their daughter Ashley was born in 1981.
Granddaughter Naomi tweeted this beautiful picture of the two newly in love with the words: “Together, the two have come a long way”.

Naomi is identified here:

Let’s just save that tweet…..

Let’s just save that picture:

Looks like a nice family. Just sayin’.

Her name is Naomi Biden. Examples:

Turns out that she’s on Twitter as (at)NaomiBiden, and she’s a chip off the old block.

Remember that I told you that the reason that the ONE “fraud state” exception to THIS:

……was because PENNSYLVANIA needed to LOOK GOOD on vaccinations?

There you go. Straight from Biden’s granddaughter’s mouth. When THE PARTY needs you to look good, other party members make sure it happens.

Whether it’s REAL or not.

Anyway, check out Naomi Biden’s Twitter timeline. Very CCP. Errr, I mean ACP.

So I kept digging through the standard Democrat Communist party line, and THERE IT WAS!

Let’s just save that…..

AH! We’re finally THERE. We’ve shown that the photo is AUTHORITATIVE – meaning that it was “blessed” by being released by a Biden granddaughter. In a world of disinformation as one of the most powerful weapons of the LEFT, I don’t even trust this photo to be real when released by a Biden family member. But it is AUTHORITATIVE. It was released by them AS IF it was real, to make people believe it was real.

And where THAT goes from there, we will find out.

3 – How Old Is Jill In That Photo?

This is the gazillion dollar question.

We had some BETS MADE in a prior thread.

I challenged people to guess the ages of Jill and Joe in that photo, avoiding any reliance on externals – just their knowledge of humans, such as their own kids, neighbors, relatives, etc.

The exact comment was HERE:

You’re welcome to go look at the answers and generate statistics. My rough estimate is that most people figured she was in her late teens. The OUTLYING answers were early middle teens (13-15) and 20s. Most opinions seemed to be in the 16-19 range.

High school girl. That is our “group vision stereo consensus”.

This starts to become problematic.

4 – The Timelines Collide

Jill Biden was born June 3, 1951.



She was married to Bill Stevenson on February 7, 1970, at the age of 18, 4 months shy of 19.

Thus, the picture SEEMS to be from BEFORE she married Bill Stevenson. It is extremely unlikely that the picture is from AFTER her marriage to Bill Stevenson, which ENDED in separation in October 1974 and civil divorce in May 1975.

The Bidens allege that they met during that separation period, in March of 1975. They were married on June 17, 1977.

March of 1975 would have made Jill Biden 23 years old, 3 months shy of 24 years old.

That is at the extreme of her potential age in that picture, based on the reckonings of our group. It is an extreme minority position, with more opinions at the OTHER extreme.

But let’s go from there to the Bill Stevenson story – that goes as follows.

According to Bill, Jill met Joe through Bill’s political support for Joe Biden.

Here is his chronology listed in the Daily Mail:

  • Joe Biden and his wife Jill  had an affair that broke up her first marriage, her ex-husband told in an exclusive interview
  • Bill Stevenson says that their story about how the presidential candidate fell in love with Jill after a blind date is made up
  • The way the Bidens tell their story, Joe saw a picture of Jill in March 1975 — after her marriage crashed — and they went on a date and have been together since 
  • But Stevenson claims he and his then wife met Biden in 1972, when they worked on then-New Castle County Councilman Biden’s first campaign for the Senate 
  • At the time Biden was married to his first wife Neilia who died with their daughter Naomi in a car crash between the election and Biden taking his Senate seat 
  • ‘Jill and I sat in the Bidens’ kitchen,’ Stevenson said. ‘We worked on his campaign’
  • Stevenson said he first suspected Biden and Jill were having an affair in August 1974; He was then 26, Jill was 23 and Joe was 31 
  • ‘One of her best friends told me she thought Joe and Jill were getting a little too close,’ he said
  • That October he got confirmation when a man informed him Biden was driving his wife’s car and the two of them got into a fender bender  
  • Stevenson said: ‘I asked Jill to leave the house, which she did… I considered Joe a friend. I’m not surprised he fell in love with Jill’

Now, I’m going to be blunt and early here – I no longer trust THIS story, either. I think it’s a “Clinton special” – a substitute scandal, like Cuomo’s kissing scandal, which is used to deflate the “he murdered thousands of old people on purpose for politics” scandal.

But let’s play along. After all, if I’m right, and it’s an “alibi” of some kind, it will be close to the truth.

Stevenson claims that Jill and Joe met through HIM (convenient) in 1972. THAT would make Jill Biden roughly 21 years old.

Leaving Jill’s age aside, THAT makes a lot of sense. Now what is VERY cool is that we HAVE a picture of Joe Biden campaigning in 1972, thanks to the Daily Mail.

You can see Neilia – she’s going to die in a car accident in December of that year, AFTER Joe Biden WINS his Senate seat in November but BEFORE he goes to Washington. Their 1-year-old daughter Naomi will die with her.

Now it may just be the clothes, but I would almost swear that Joe Biden looks a few years older in this photo, than he does in the “Jill on his lap” photo.

But all we have done at this point, really, is to introduce doubts.

But NOW, I’m going to introduce even more doubt. What if somebody came up with a PICTURE of Jill Biden during the early 1970s?

And before I forget to mention it, what if that picture comes up in a story about Bill Stevenson having a lurid affair of his own which allegedly led to multiple murders? And what if the first murder was soon after Joe Biden married his ex, Jill?

Watch out – this whole thing gets WEIRD very fast.

Yes – that is Jill and Bill Stevenson. Jill’s style here looks very 1972-1974.

Let’s look at her more closely. First 2X magnification.

Now even closer – 4X.

This looks like a 19, 20, or 21-year-old girl to me. That would make her a sophomore, junior, or senior in college. Perfect fit – read Jill’s biography in Wikipedia. This matches both her biography and the framework of the Stevenson story.

However, she is noticeably OLDER than the picture of the girl on Biden’s lap.

What’s interesting to me, is that I knew girls at that time, who were AGED as in the “lap girl photo”, but wore fashions like the girl in this photo, which styles were popular at the time. Same hairstyle and top – bandana around the neck – but these girls were younger – high-school aged – facially very much like the girl in the lap photo, or just a bit older.

Thus, it seems entirely possible to me, that the photo on Joe Biden’s lap was taken while Jill was in high school, possibly babysitting for the Bidens. Maybe she had a prom, or a dance, and was like a member of the family at that point.

I could insert some classic movie poster about this, but you know what I’m thinking.

But then let’s just set that all aside now, and see the context of that OTHER weird story from the Daily Mail.

Which newspaper may be following the angle that I’m thinking.

5 – The Timelines Always Get Them

MORE at the link….including videos of Stevenson….telling his story….



Now – just check out this “memorable scene” from Stevenson…..via the article…..

Stevenson alleges that the next day, Robert showed up at the apartment ‘pounding on the door’ and that he slammed a wad of rolled up cash in Kathie’s face. 

That’s a bit of a shocker there, but before we go on, ask what better class of theories might fit that memory.

Now go on.

Ten days later, she vanished.

He thinks Robert – who has long been accused of murdering his wife but has never been charged over it – was driven to kill her after discovering their affair.

‘This is something that has to be righted. I was together with them and he went crazy. I feel like I’m the missing link in this case,’ he said.

Stevenson said he watched Kathie ‘grow up into a beautiful young woman’ after their families became friends when they were kids.

‘She was that cool little sister – I watched her grow up to be a beautiful young woman.’

He says in 1974, he and Jill hosted Kathie and Robert Durst at their home.

He says Jill and Kathie ‘hit it off’. ‘Both very smart, they’re similar people. At that age. It was hard not to hit it off.

‘I remember him talking to himself in my garage. To me it was like, “oh my god.”‘

Years later, once his marriage to Jill had broken up and after Jill and Joe had gotten married, Kathie started confiding in Stevenson, he says.

‘She said I’m having a real problem with Robert and I’m scared to death.

She said he was being violent with her. At that point, she couldn’t trust anybody around her that knew Robert.

‘I don’t know why she picked me but I’m glad she did.

‘But I do feel that I let her down. I look back at those last two months and go, “what could I have done differently.”

He says he visited Kathie five times between 1981 and 1982. They stayed at Kathie’s apartment in New York City and it was during that time that it became romantic.

I think the DM may be thinking the same thing I am. They have THIS as a sidebar to what I just quoted.


  • 1970: Jill and Bill marry
  • 1973: Kathie and Robert Durst marry
  • 1974: Bill says he and Jill hosted Robert and Kathie Durst at their home
  • 1974/1975: Jill and Bill separate
  • 1977: Jill and Joe marry
  • 1982: Kathie Durst disappears

Is there a connection? That might lead to “lives lost”? Read that article.

Can you guess the word I’m thinking?

I strongly suspect that SEVERAL stories are falling apart. It’s not just about dementia now.


PS – check out the “record-correcting troll comments” on the DM articles. They seem professional to me.


Daily Mail Article on Jill Biden’s Affair with Joe Biden:

Archive of Affair Article:

Daily Mail Article on Jill Biden’s First Marriage Relation To Murder:

Archive of Murder Article:

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Appreciate this post Wolf. I have been watching it come out drip by drop and knew something was very off, but no way could I ever put it together like you can.


People know the truth and Trump has stated so many times. But the citizens had no clue or didn’t want to accept just how deep and ugly it was beyond the rosy glasses they wore.

And the “elites” are so intertwined in their corruption that all it takes is for someone to pull on the few loose strings and the entire ball unravels.

I believe it’s coming and I believe that Trump knows this and is watching with amusement.


I’ll make this comment here. I smoke cigarettes and my dh and I sit and roll a box a week at our home office desks. Like I’ve stated before, I wasn’t brought up watching much tv and it wasn’t until I married him (a huge tv/movie buff) that I was really exposed to tv series or movies.

We watch and rewatch a certain fbi related series while rolling cigarettes. I said to him last week….interesting that many of these fbi series came out around the same time, showing the fbi as good looking, good guys eh? He agreed.

He stopped being the tv series buff once we married, so no clue what’s on tv nowadays but, hmmmm to selling the fbi in a positive light in the early 2000’s.


This site is loaded with information and pictures about Jill, Joe, Neila, etc. It’s too much for me to process, but if you scroll down there’s some interesting reading about Jill Giacoppo’s Sicilian family roots.


It’s also been noted that adult women that dress like teens (and/or teen whores) do it for a reason, whether they realize it or not.

Concerned Virginian

Wolf Moon
But there are ways for women over age 40 to look stylish and attractive, and not have to spend $$$ to make that happen. It’s the women who think they can pass for 40 when they’re 70 that can be a problem.


My part of Texas is just filled with heavy oldsters in tank tops and Daisy Dukes.

Where is the dignity and self-respect?


Tossed out like God was tossed out!


Eye sores, they are.


In Germany is a saying ” They look in the back like a lyceum in the front like a museum”.



Cuppa Covfefe

In other words, a Mausoleum 😀

(not exactly the Commodores idea of a Brick House 🙂 )…..

Sylvia Avery





Yeah. Sad and gooky.

Cuppa Covfefe

Reminds me of this: 😆

I was down the pub the other night and overheard three very hefty women talking at the bar.

Their accents sounded Scottish, so I approached and asked, “Hullo, are ye three bonnie lassies from Scotland?”

One of them angrily screeched, “It’s Wales; Wales, you bloody idiot!”

So I apologised and replied, “I am so sorry. Are ye three whales from Scotland?” And that’s the last thing I remember!

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Ahhahahahaha!!! 😂😂😂


Some women in their 70s dressing like lamb look better than teens dressing the same way who look like mutton …

The difference is the same: ‘heavy’.

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True Dat. 😄

Deplorable Patriot

I know a lot who are still refusing even in their 60s.


In the Joe and Jill case she would have added motivation to keep the “young” in the relationship because he is compulsively attracted to young girls.


It’s never going to be enough to attract him. But she’s got dirt to bind him to her


“And I can see why. If the teenage years are “working for you”, who wants it to stop?”
There’s a cosmic cautionary tale in there somewhere!


Interesting indeed and a lot of info.


Thissss is why people should not lie and make up fairy tale stories. In the old days it took on the ground investigative work and journalists to uncover these things.

The internet has made it very easy for us to track down and document info. I am still as baffled today as I was when everyone around me jumped onto social media to post their entire lives and pictures, why do that????

I was working on my cyber security degree and just shook my head. I was also well aware of the governments interest in this field and utilizing the sheep to give up info. That’s all I’ll say on that topic.

But you’ve proven my point again with this topic Wolf.

And yes, imho that’s a teen girl on his lap.

Concerned Virginian

Regarding Bill Stevenson’s “Clinton Special” — one feels there is a distinct possibility that Stevenson was given a “hint” by “someone” to come up with a story that could act as, first, a “decoy” to take any heat off Biden; and, second, as something to keep Stevenson off “Someone’s BodyCount” list.
Then there’s Biden’s granddaughter Naomi, who comes across like a Mafia-style “disinformation disseminator.”
Then there’s “Dr. Jill” Biden’s choices of dressing. It appears that she prefers to wear items that make her look a couple decades younger than her real age. Even that mid-80’s style blue chintz dress on the Vogue cover. Not to say that she has to wear things that make her look like Ma Kettle — she really needs the help of a professional dresser.

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I was stationed at Dover, lived in several of the towns in DE, had to travel to McGuire several times for training and was familiar with the area in general because of being raised in a neighboring state. That entire Wilmington, Philly, NJ area was a disgusting cesspool. I was very happy when I left!


He is definitely representative of the area. /shivers

Cuppa Covfefe

Shades of “Westworld”… (Worstworld???)…..


Excuse me? I was born in Brooklyn, then lived in Queens Village, grew up in Monmouth County and now live (30+ years) in rural southern New Jersey, south of Philly. Trust me, apart from Camden and AC, it’s anything but a cesspool.

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You just called Wilmington, Philly and South Jersey a disgusting cesspool. I’ve lived in NJ all my adult life. I’m disputing your statement.

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I’m glad that you are happy where you live. I found the areas unpleasant.


“Unpleasant”, for whatever your reasons might be is quite different than the “disgusting cesspool” broad brush.


It’s my understanding that food fights are left to occur on another forum.

If someone didn’t like the city I lived in, I’d just shrug and leave them to their opinion.

Reason #2 I don’t post on forums. I’ll go back to just reading and not posting.

Thank you for the forum Wolf.  😊 


I didn’t realize that standing up for myself was a problem. I merely suggested that you might be a little more careful with your language. That’s a food fight? I’m definitely not the only resident here that would take offense at someone offhandedly trashing their neck of the woods. HAGD 🤔


Don’t Go! Your perspective is valued.

Sadie Slays

Please don’t let this stop you from posting. The ribbing on NJ and NJ pushing back has been around since before I was even born.

Cuppa Covfefe


And what was so wrong with Old Jersey??? 😀

(OK, it was halfway across the globe, but it’s all relative, eh? )…..



Sadie Slays

Remember that map cthulu posted the other day about states hating each other? I said that part about the mid-Atlantic states hating NJ, and NJ hating everyone back was accurate.
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Cuppa Covfefe

That’s why I posted Tom Lehrer’s “National Brotherhood Week” (which probably no-one remembers anymore).

Epic line… “and everybody hates the Jews”…

and the ending:

Be nice to people who are inferior to you
It’s only for a week so have no fear,
Be grateful that it doesn’t last all year…

Anyone remember TW3? “That Was The Week That Was” ….
Tom Lehrer wrote most, if not all, of the songs for that…
(Now the theme song is going through my head…)….
(Oddly similar to the Hamm’s beer jingle(!) )…

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I do recall that song.

A bit before my time but my parents were big Lehrer fans.

I still remember my Dad’s best friend nearly falling out of the chair laughing at “Vatican Rag.”

Cuppa Covfefe

He has all of his songs up as PDFs now, with words and music (or just the words, if it’s someone else’s song, e.g. “Sociology” being “Choreography” from “White Christmas”).

Here’s the sheet music – Tom Lehrer has released everything to the public domain!

The whole ball of works is at

Cuppa Covfefe

Interesting that “Lehrer” means “teacher” in German.

Not sure if he has a doctorate, but if he does, that would make him Professor Doktor Lehrer…. in the reverse order that the titles are conferred…


I was about to write “I’m pretty sure he has a doctorate” but then I decided to check.

He basically gave up on his dissertation after dissertating (if that is a word) or just plain dissing for fifteen years. So he at least TRIED to get a doctorate.

He probably was never a full professor as a consequence.

Deplorable Patriot

What caught my eye about the pic on the lap is Jill’s hair and headband. STRAIGHT out of about 1966-67. I’ve seen too many movies and photos of the time period of people in that sort of class. Not everyone had sprayed and coiffed dos that were hard to sleep on.

Plus, the fading of the photograph puts it in the later 60s. Film quality at that point takes on that yellowish sheen as it ages.

As for the cover story, if the MSM walks in lockstep on it – and the DM is as swampy as all the rest when it comes down to it – the narratives will cement to the point that contrary information becomes cognitive dissonance. No one who is invested in the narrative is going to believe the real truth, whatever that is.

Deplorable Patriot

I might go as young as 14, but I don’t think so.


Given her body “development” in the various pics I agree that she’s more in the 15-16 range. I think you’re right that 14 is pushing it.

Not to mention the top or dress style. Just enough at the top to keep it on, but not so top heavy that you can’t wear it.


The question I have who babysits with an outfit like that? Whose parent lets their daughter walk around like that except at a pool party?

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Right. 23 – 24 year-old babysitter sporting a much younger look.

Stevenson said he first suspected an affair in 1974, when his wife passed on meeting an up-and-coming rock star who was set to play at his Delaware club.

“I know exactly when it was,” he told the Daily Mail. “Bruce Springsteen was going to play at The Stone Balloon and I had to go to Northern New Jersey to pay him in advance.

’I asked Jill to go with me and she said no — she had things to do, she had to look after Joe’s kids, Beau and Hunter. It was kind of a big deal to go meet Springsteen,” he continued. “I had no idea she and Joe were that kind of friendly.

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That obliterates her version of Joe somehow getting her phone number and she was surprised


Right and I’m thinking she pursued Joe not the other way around. Wolf comment about her trading up explains it.

Sylvia Avery

If she was 23 or 24 in that pic, I’d be mighty surprised. Maybe 15.

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She wasn’t baby-sitting since Joe was there too. She was visiting Joe and sons.


This is a picture of Joe Biden in 1966. He has too much hair for the above photo.

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What I am thinking is WAY down a rabbit hole.

I don’t think the girl in the white dress is Jill Biden.

The shape of her face is completely different than the girl in the other photo Wolf posted. The girl in white has a narrow pointed chin. The other girl’s face is square with a wide chin.

I think they posted this photo claiming it was Jill to deflect from the truth that some other teenage girl is sitting in Joe’s lap.

That’s my conspiracy theory of the day.

Deplorable Patriot

For that matter, put the two Joe images side by side, and there’s subtle differences at the eyes, the chin, in the color pic the man is heavier, he’s also not smiling and that’s something Joe always does.

So, is Naomi passing off pictures of people other than Joe and Jill as Joe and Jill.

Good catch.


Well, it’s a thought. Nothing twisted is beyond these people.


I found it doing a search of Joe Biden in 1966. I’ll see what else I can find.


Here are some more:
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This one says he is 26:
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I really think the “girl in the lap” photo was taken in the 70s.


If thats him its the youngest ive even seen. But likely, his sonsvlook like him there.


This picture claims to be from November 1972

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found here


My beautiful millionaire wife…

What a crock. Her family owned a diner in working class Auburn, NY. She was teaching English in a Syracuse City School. Other news articles talk about how broke she and Joe were and all they had was a Corvette that car salesman Joe Sr. gave them.


Jill also tweeted out this lap picture on August 18, 2020.


Yup. That’s it. I also think they’re using that picture to make her look virtuous, when in fact it was the opposite.


And we look like bad in the process.

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I learned A LOT today!


It also discredits conservatives in the chat realm. The lap pics are out there with people insisting she’s 15, when it’s clearly not true. This makes us look like we’re making up dirt because we’re on opposite sides of the political spectrum. That is what the Left does.


I agree that she looks very young in those pics. I also know that it’s possible for people to look much younger than they are (and older, too). That’s why I don’t put much stock in pics that people insist “prove” something. Too many factors could be at play.




My daughter was 25 and as second job taught chemistry and math in Junior College the students thought she was a student because she looked so young.
Yes some people look very young she still does.

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THAT makes all KINDS of twisted sense!


Good find on the other photo of Jill! They just don’t look like the same person to me. And Joe is older in that photo than 1966.

This whole thing is weird.


I tend to agree, I think it’s Jill on the lap. The age of the photo, the way her hair curls and the shading affect the look of her chin in the lap photo.

Cuppa Covfefe

Could also be airbrushed, one of the “Photoshop” tools of the old days. Wasn’t uncommon for a photojournalist to, erm, Dr. a photo if needed… directly on the negative, sometimes…


Does Jill have a younger sister?


She’s the oldest of five girls.


Could it have been one of her younger siblings perched on Joe’s knee?

And, BTW, anyone with 5 girls would definitely have been doing “hand-me-downs” in their wardrobes at the time….


Anything’s possible but if you scroll down in this link there’s a picture of 3 brunettes and 1 much younger dirty blond.


I think it’s in 75 or even a bit earlier. I’m going by how old the boys look.

I think the media is saying 1976 because if they had their first date in 75 it would seem odd she would already be chummy with his sons.

Anyone else remember this….

Jill said she received her first phone call from Joe to “tune in” to watch him speak at the 1972 Dem Convention. Lines up with what her ex husband said about then meeting in 72.


Posting a possible timeline as a new comment.

Sadie Slays

I believe a lot of “historical” photos are fake. Especially ones involving CIA-backed elite families, politicians, and others figures that serve the cabal agenda.

Cuppa Covfefe

Shades of “I’d Be Surprisingly Good For You” from “Evita”:

It seems crazy but you must believe
There’s nothing calculated, nothing planned
Please forgive me if I seem naive
I would never want to force your hand
But please understand, I’d be good for you

I don’t always rush in like this
Twenty seconds after saying hello
Telling strangers I’m too good to miss
If I’m wrong I hope you’ll tell me so
But you really should know, I’d be good for you
I’d be surprisingly good for you

(end excerpt)

Almost as if the wiles and wilds of the DEMONRATS are based on the tinpot dictators and commies of South America… liberation theology???

Sometimes that musical really hits close to home…

Cuppa Covfefe

Almost like in South America (then again, the KlownsInAction probably had some hand in more than a few “revolutions” down there.

Really makes me thing of Evita, here from the 1980 Emmys. Mandy Patinkin as Che was a sympathetic character, though the real Che was anything but…

Replace “A New Argentina” with “A New USA …”…..


Exactly right. The teased/sprayed thing was early 60s. Replaced by straight, usually parted in the middle. Or that Sassoon cut.

Brave and Free

Great post Wolf, nothing would suprise me about these people. Once you remove God or faith in a higher being and believe that you alone are above all others your capable of anything.
Which they prove every day to us who are looking.

Cuppa Covfefe

Sounds like cults (e.g. $cientology), secret societies (Skull & Bones), Familigia (such as the many-hooved one of Poligrip Pavement Princess Mafiosi Piglosi d’Alessandro Gambino), and other networks (MS-13, etc.) where “skin” has to be given in order to be “in”. The dirt that these folks hoover up and have on each other insures their compliance and often utter silence, even in the face of severe punishment.

And, in the case of S&B, it could well be a Bonesman as the judge (or purported prosecutor) of the Bonesman defendant. The “shrub” empire is a prime example…..

And I think the Klintoons back at the beginning of the “Billary” years gathered enough dirt on folks in Washington and even Arkansas to control just about everybody in both places, and by extension, most everwhere else…

And Epstein and McAfee didn’t kill themselves, and Bye, Done didn’t win.

Cuppa Covfefe

Exactly. Just like the Devil has replaced GOD in the Democrat platform and party, he has been invited in to replace GOD in the schools, since 1962.

The Ed. Biz have made themselves God(s). Having no God, the “state” moves in, just as in RED China. And that is exactly what RED China wants. To be everyone’s God, everyone’s controller, and everyone SLAVE to them.

We have neighbors where the second generation have moved in, complete with an uncontrollable, whiny, screamy, obnoxious daughter. Her parents make no effort to control her and her protestations, etc. Just wait until she’s a teenager… But, THEIR generation was taught (at least over here) that there is to be no corporal punishment, indeed no assertion of authority, as that would hurt their sense of self-esteem.

I’m esteeming every day listening to the brat.

No authority (except the state), no shame (because, like, self-esteem), no patience (I WANT IT NOW… or ELSE WAAAAAAHHHHH), no respect for others, and no independent thinking, despite being in total rebellion. The only thinking is a reflex “NO”…


What I find interesting is she looks heavily pregnant in that lap photo.

It could be the fashion, those types of shirts were like that, but the photo is also cut off in a way that would confirm either way.

I wonder if there are other photos from that day or moment.

Deplorable Patriot

I thought the same thing at one point. And any mention of abortion doesn’t work. More than likely a child would be born and hidden or adopted by someone else in the family. It used to happen all the time. One of my great grandfathers was such a case.

Deplorable Patriot

No, but it was not socially accepted at all, I understand. It was VERY quiet if it happened.

At this point, it’s all speculation, though.


I would bet that Biden is a trophy keeper guy. I bet he wouldn’t allow for his DNA to be aborted.


Yes. Agree.


Good find. Thank you.


Comment on the photo….”Pedophile Joe and just one of his victims”.


Lot of girls and boys look chubby at that age and thin out later. Not sure if she is pregnant or just chubby.


I’ve never birthed but don’t breasts swell with pregnancy? It may just be the way she’s hugged into Joe, but she looks more “flat” in the older age pics.


See Holly’s link below. Most likely not pregnant.


I’m waiting for the info to leak on what really happened with Neilia.


I’ve seen a lot of strange information about that accident.


That link I posted has A LOT of information on the coverup of Neila’s accident and how it impacted the Senate seat. Also says Neila took all the kids because she didn’t want to leave them with the babysitter Jill Jacobs.

Valerie Curren

The blood sacrifice payment to i/ensure Pedo-Joe’s entrance into the Big Club?


Not to throw too big a monkey wrench into all of this, but I have a personal tale that is somewhat relevant.

When my ex-husband and I were “in love” and dating, we were on a trip and stopped into a bar to have a drink.

They checked ID’s and went away. A few minutes later, the bartender called my ex over and the exchange got heated. I couldn’t hear what they were saying, but the ex came back to the table and said we had to leave. I said why, he said tell you later.

The bartender had said that even though I had I.D., he thought I was under-aged, and they didn’t need “trouble.” They asked us to leave.

The upshot of this is, I was twenty-eight, and the mother of TWO. I was 10 months older than my ex, but he was Italian and older looking because of it. I think the contrast between us contributed to the impression that I was jail-bait.

Anyway, the girl in the lap could be as old as they say. It is possible.


Ive was young looking for my age until my health problems the last couple years. More than once told my id was fake.


Me, too. I still don’t really look my age. Fifty-six and still naturally blond. A few grays blend in.


Me too, Aubergine. I was carded well into my 30’s.


Picture below says it’s an early picture of them in the 70’s. She looks older here as does he, even though it’s said to be the same time frame as the lap picture. Same for some of the early pictures of them at the cbs link.

I’ve looked at a lot 🤢 of pictures of them. The lap picture seems to be an outlier perhaps?
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She looks her age mid 20 in this picture..


Thats an odd place. Honestly when ive seen people take trips to those areas and you have some history on their political background (you should see the emigration history of hollywood) it is always a suspicious cat moment.

This post wolf….i still think about 15 yrs old. No way would i have ever ever sat on an adults lap after the age of 9 or 10, not even a family friend.
Grooming perhaps, but definitely a relationship beyond friend.


Yes exactly.



Cuppa Covfefe

YUCK!!!! Kalifornistan strikes again!

Concerned Virginian

Didn’t Bernie Sanders spend his honeymoon in the Soviet Union also?


There’s a couple early pics of them among these ….I couldn’t grab them and no dates but they look to be early in their marriage

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I’m posting what I came up with the other day when you mentioned this, Wolf. This only pertains to ages.

Joe Biden was born November 20, 1942.
Jill Biden was born June 3, 1951. She is about 9 years younger than Joe.

Beau Biden was born February 3, 1969. He was 18 years younger than Jill.
Hunter Biden was born February 4, 1970. He is 19 years younger than Jill.

Joe and Jill met in 1975, were married in 1977, and have one biological child, Ashley, born June 8, 1981. She is 11-12 years younger than the two boys.

Here is the photo that Wolf first presented.·07·03-joe-biden-didnt-win-daily-thread/comment-page-1/#comments 

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And another:

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Here is a photo with Jill in the same dress, with the same necklace and hair bow, with two boys.

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I think those boys are Hunter and Beau. (Jill does not have any brothers and is the eldest of five sisters.)

The boys also appear in this photo (below). I don’t know if this is Jill bringing Ashley home from the hospital. If it is, then this pic was taken in 1981. The boys would have been about 11-12.

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The boys are younger in the first photo. 

The story is that Jill didn’t meet Joe until 1975, when the boys would have been 6-7 years old. If that photo was taken in 1975, then Jill, being 18 years older than the boys, would have been at least 24 years old.

Here is another photo with everyone wearing the same clothing that they had on in the other two.

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Since Jill is at least 18 years older than the boys, she could not have been a teenager when these photos, and the one of her on Biden’s lap, were taken. 

Incidentally, If Jill had been 24 here, Joe would have been nearly 33. So he was somewhere in his early 30s in the photo with her in his lap.


That’s IT!!! You figured it out. It’s about trying to hide the Wife Steal using the Pedophile Angle which can be discounted because she wasn’t a teenager in those pictures. 👍👍👍


I believe that the SECOND picture in the lean-to (see your post above), is a year later – the boys look older.

ButI all three are wearing the same clothing as in the other pic.


Agree. My humble thoughts say these people are the same, same day, same year…whatever year that really was.

If it was a year later I think Beau would have lost a baby tooth and it would be visible in the smile…he’d be the blond one right ?


Whatever the case, she is 18 years older than the boys, so she could not be even as young as 18 years old in those photos. She was in her 20s.

Last edited 4 months ago by TheseTruths

If she and her husband were helping with Biden’s 1972 campaign I’m 100% sure he was interested in Jill at that time…I’d imagine very interested and what a coincidental tragedy about his wife and daughter.


But at this point it wouldn’t concern anyone, would it?




When we had a modicum of public morals left.


That or to cement the timeline regarding their public pre marriage relationship


Prepubertal for jill


Puberty isn’t a lightswitch. It takes years to settle in.


The top picture is Neilia though, isn’t it? I just saw the same photo in a Business Insider article, they say it’s Neilia.


got it thanks. I’ve looked at too many pics today. 👍🏻


Great compilation of pictures and information TheseTruths.