DEAR MAGA: Open Thread 20211028

Bonus points for anyone who can tell the rest of us what those weapons are.

And he just happened to use a beagle for the photo.

Sure.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Attorney General Merrick Garland was on Capitol Hill for today’s bread and circus exposition. Pick your poison:

Carlin:

And in honor of the end of baseball season…eventually.

And now for the business portion.

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On the Feast of St. Jude, Patron of policemen and hopeless cases.

PSALMS 19:2-5

1The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. 2Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge. 3There is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard; 4yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,

For some reason, I read that and thought of this, where the sixteenth notes are never true, and the congregation can’t keep up.

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cthulhu

I believe that each of the weapons in the first picture could be characterized as a military-grade assault rifle.

Wolf Moon

It’s definitely not all of the person’s collection. Most of the pistol magazines used to form the letters appear to be for semi-auto handguns which are NOT among those visible.

cthulhu

True — the M is made up of fairly small guns, and I don’t see a single magazine short enough to fit in one.

Wolf Moon

New Age Hippie JP is not who I want to be, but he is a good neighbor!

Itswoot

My sentiments exactly.

Wolf Moon

Yup. One more voice of COMMON SENSE that is gone.

Aubergine

I was thinking about Rush this morning, in the context of the FBI’s harassment of parents. Rush used to say that liberals always overreach, they just can’t help themselves. I really believe that the feds calling concerned parents terrorists is the straw that broke the camels back. I wondered if Rush would agree.

BillBeakman

Yeah, Rush would be all over it like a duck on a junebug.

Cuppa Covfefe

Ditto…

RIP Rush. We need more of your kind…

TheseTruths

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/24/jfk-nephews-biden-assassination-records-517049

Two nephews of John F. Kennedy are calling on the Biden administration to release the final trove of secret documents on the 1963 assassination of the former president.

The records were scheduled to be made public Tuesday, but the White House announced late Friday night that it would delay their publication until at least Dec. 15 — and perhaps longer if President Joe Biden determines it’s in the nation’s best interest to keep them confidential.“

It’s an outrage. It’s an outrage against American democracy. We’re not supposed to have secret governments within the government,” Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told POLITICO. “How the hell is it 58 years later, and what in the world could justify not releasing these documents?” 

His cousin, former Rhode Island Rep. Patrick Kennedy, said the records should be released not because of his family, but because American citizens have a right to know about “something that left such a scar in this nation’s soul that lost not only a president but a promise of a brighter future.”

The documents were set to be declassified in 2017, but President Donald Trump postponed the release for four years.

Biden’s decision to continue Trump’s policy of shielding the records came as a surprise to historians and experts on the assassination because he had served in the U.S. Senate when the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 passed unanimously in Congress. That act, passed in response to questions raised by the 1991 Oliver Stone film “JFK,” set up an independent review board to collect all government files that might have bearing on the assassination and make them public. Most records were released between 1994 and 1998. Only the most sensitive classified documents remain confidential.A spokesperson for Trump declined to comment about why he delayed the full release of the records in 2017 after indicating he intended to make them public.

Among other unanswered questions, the records could shed light on whether a Central Intelligence Agency operative named Bill Harvey mysteriously traveled from Rome to Dallas before the assassination as well as the agency’s role in plots to kill Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, its surveillance techniques.

An overwhelming majority of the 15,000 records in question are from the CIA and, to a lesser extent, the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Portions of them have been released with single words or entire pages blacked out, according to the National Archives

If the records are ever released, they probably would not reveal the identity of other potential killers of Kennedy. Robert F. Kennedy Sr., brother of the president and namesake of the son who spoke with POLITICO, did not believe the official narrative of the assassination, said historian David Talbot, author of “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” and “The Devil’s Chessboard.” 

“RFK was the first JFK ‘conspiracy theorist,’ the attorney general of the United States,” Talbot said. “Any serious journalist or historian who looks at this seriously comes to the same conclusion: that Lee Harvey Oswald was what he said he was, ‘a patsy,’ and that the Warren Commission was an effort to cover up the crime, not investigate the crime in an honest way.”

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. concurred with his father’s belief that his uncle was assassinated as part of a broader conspiracy. Kennedy, a controversial figure in his family because of his anti-vaccine advocacy, also said he did not believe that Sirhan Sirhan killed his father, putting him at odds with his siblings and other relatives. 

Both he and Patrick Kennedy said their family had shied away from discussing the JFK assassination and related matters because it was too painful, even to this day. 

smiley2

the origins and significance of President Eisenhower’s chilling farewell speech and the military-industrial complex…discussed here…

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Valerie Curren

When was HW’s funeral? Did Trump make a deal w/ W to shield the Bushes, perhaps until after W’s death, so keep the proofs of HW’s involvement w/ JFK assassination under wraps?

Deplorable Patriot

December 2018.

Word came from one of Dave Janda’s sources, that W actually flipped and turned on the cabal to save his family. That’s the only source that I know of for that information.

Valerie Curren

So Trump delaying the release in 2017 was his way of holding a trump card in the big game?

Deplorable Patriot

Could be.

pgroup2

The weapons? They’re nasty dirty guns.
— any random anti-2A person

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Linda

There was some discussion in the last thread on whether Baldwin or the person who handed him the gun has the most culpability. Here is a legal analysis from an article that Gil posted:

“The NM Supreme Court ruled in that decision, in relevant part that:

It could have made no difference to the trial of a charge of involuntary manslaughter as to who loaded the gun … . All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it … without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.

“So, it doesn’t matter who loaded the gun—meaning, all this talk about whether the live round in the gun came from this source or that source or some other source is largely irrelevant for purposes of determining whether Baldwin’s shooting of Ms. Hutchins was involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico law.

“All that matters in the context of involuntary manslaughter through unsafe handling of a firearm is that “the defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.”

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/10/legal-analysis-alec-baldwin-situation-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-manslaughter/

pgroup2

A few months in lockup should adjust his bad behavior rather well.

kalbokalbs

Years. And, NOT in a cushy minimum security ranch. Lock Baldwin up with fellow murderers.

TheseTruths

That aligns with my thinking as a lay person who doesn’t know NM law. Every day it looks worse for Baldwin.

Tonawanda

When it comes to criminal liability, very often if you are in for a penny, you are in for a pound. And MANY a case has been made solely by a person foolishly trying to make the penny/pound distinction in statements to LE, when in fact you are in for a pound if you are in for a penny.

Aubergine

You ALWAYS clear any gun handed to you YOURSELF, or you make the person handing it to you clear it while you watch, if you aren’t familiar with how to clear that particular weapon. Period.

Baldwin is guilty of, at minimum, negligent homicide.

Valerie Curren

So Baldwin committed First Degree Murder in front of a great cloud of witnesses but since it was on the set of a movie that had legitimate use of guns in the storyline he gets off with an involuntary manslaughter charge (conviction not guaranteed)?

Linda

Wow. This is getting brutal for Australians:

Thousands of Australians with unpaid fines for breaking Covid rules have their homes seized, bank accounts raided and licences cancelled as government chases $5.2million
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10136275/Unpaid-Covid-fines-taken-bank-accounts-seized-homes-Queensland.html

pgroup2

The brutality will continue until cooperation is achieved.

singingsoul1

We need to nip it before we turn into Australia brutality Maoism.

Valerie Curren

The beatings will continue until morale improves  😡 

mollypitcher5

None of them hardly even talk about the virus itself anymore, only the vax. It was never about the virus and they’re only a few steps ahead of other countries, us included if something doesn’t blow pretty soon

singingsoul1

Very Chinese of them, also Stalinist and fascist. It is always the same playbook.

cthulhu

The October issue of Linux Pro Magazine (the one with Linux from Scratch on the cover), has a little banner about using GalliumOS to load Linux on expired Chromebooks. Gallium seems to be Xubuntu with Chromebook hardware extensions.

Being that http://www.woot.com has a ton of Chromebooks under $100, this may be interesting. I’d do it first and tell you how fun it was (….”after climbing underneath the Chromebook into the footwell of my desk…..”), but I’m a mite busy at the moment and will likely be so until I have my CPE done.

cthulhu

https://galliumos.org/

It was always part of the Chromebook project that Google would drop the hardware like a hot rock on a date certain. You get warnings, you get countdowns, you get beeps…..and, finally, you get, “Son, you’re on your own….”

Being that Chromebooks run the Linux-based Chrome OS, it stands to reason that “expired” Chromebooks should be easily convertible into Linux machines. Now that we have a large generation of these machines becoming available, it seems like it would be a good thing to practice doing.

GA/FL

History of guns spelling Trump photo – https://www.thatsnonsense.com/did-el-paso-shooter-upload-photo-of-guns-spelling-trump-fact-check/

First appeared Imgur January 2017 by anonymous poster

View post on imgur.com

cthulhu

This is a test to see if either (a) I am not allowed to comment, or (b) I am not allowed to see comments.

trumpismine

 👁  👀  test successful

wowohwow1528

… 😎👍 ..

RAC

What’s all this. Says it help the un-vaccinated, but should be tested on the vaccinated. There’s always a chance that a bunch of people full of happy pills will be easier to manipulate.
The main thing that annoys me is why is there this phony search for off label drugs when the known and obvious one, Ivermectin, is not even discussed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10136637/29p-depression-pill-slash-unvaccinated-patients-risk-hospitalisation.html

cthulhu

At one point, I lived in Santa Clarita, and almost got a summer job at Happy Hump.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/27/man-spent-150-yearly-on-six-flags-food-paid-off-student-debt/

cthulhu

I had a woman who worked for me in Silicon Valley, and she and her husband got season passes to Great America to do after-work walks.

Dora

trumpismine

23,000 Votes Came From One Address In Wisconsin.
All With The Same Phone Number!
https://rumble.com/voc89g-23000-votes-came-from-one-address-in-wisconsin.html

TheseTruths

Mike Lindell says this is obvious evidence of computer-generated fraud. 23,000 people didn’t all fraudulently pick an address and use it to vote. This was manufactured by someone and implemented on a nationwide scale *as needed*.

TradeBait2

Great reminder that we are watching a movie along with other good stuff, DP.

I am going with this from Dr. Charles Stanley to begin anew today as everyday…

From Galatians 2:20:

What is the goal of the Christian life? Romans 8:29 expresses it this way: “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters” (emphasis added). This is called sanctification, and it has several stages.

First comes salvation—our redemption from sinfulness through Jesus’ atoning sacrifice. What results is forgiveness of sin, which lets us have a relationship with God. 
Next, God gives us opportunity to serve. We were created to do good works in Jesus’ name (Eph. 2:10). 

Then comes frustrated inadequacy. This is a necessary part of the journey and can last varying amounts of time. Though difficult, this phase is beautiful because it leads us into total dependence on Jesus, which is the best part of our spiritual life. And it is what brings us closer to our ultimate goal: becoming a reflection of Christ. 

Sadly, many Christians don’t reach a point of complete reliance on the Lord. The apostle Paul reminds us to fix our eyes on the goal of maturity in Christ (Phil. 3:14). Learning to die to self is painful, but ironically, it’s the only true way to life. 

Those pesky stages. Have experienced them all and am continuously going through them depending on the subject matter. The Lord has a lot of work to do to rebuild me. 😂 However, I do know this; what I once was and thought I knew is no longer. Jesus changed me. I now hear His words in my heart and my soul cries out in gratitude for His love and peace. When I get too full of myself I am reminded by the Holy Spirit of the Cross, the ultimate price paid for the reclamation project of all mankind – which includes me personally and all so very painfully. I am reminded that the Father wants me to be more like Him, “…to be conformed to the image of His Son.”

Wow. Just wow. Now, I get to do that today to the best of my ability. This AM I am taking my wife to her orthopedic surgeon to check the progress of her knee since her injury back in May. We will give our praise and thanks no matter the result, although we expect to hear Good News . My wife was a rock star in therapy and I am her biggest cheerleader. Blessed.

Have a great day, folks. Go make somebody else’s day special.

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Grandmaintexas

Beautiful explication of the process of sanctification.

God bless, and may your wife’s knee continue to heal until the healing is complete.

TradeBait2

Thank you, Grandma! Posting the result below under Valerie.

Valerie Curren

Thanks for sharing this TB and your personal reflections. Please let us know about the report on your wife. God Bless You Both!!!

TradeBait2

Reporting back. Thanks for caring, Valerie. We give the Lord praise. Her surgeon told her that he was proud of her efforts in therapy and that the 4 x-rays showed good bone healing and strengthening. The graft area has dipped a bit post-surgery in the damaged tibia socket, which he expected, and is still much better than pre-surgery. The bone can now sustain a replacement should it ever be needed. She was told to just use good sense about not overdoing and to rest it as she should. He released her and told her to simply call him if she experienced any discomfort beyond what she could handle and he would inject a steroid.

So, after a celebratory breakfast at Cracker Barrel, we came home and she started doing therapy exercises. smh. I handled the rest part for her by taking a nap. 😂

Valerie Curren

Darn, I wrote you a nice reply at the library that was blocking Q-Tree access so I guess it was eaten by cyberspace.

I’ll get back w/ you later as I have to crunch healthcare data tonight for paperwork due tomorrow. Blessings!

Dora

Things don’t seem to be going very well for the man occupying the oval office.
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Biden delays Pope trip for crisis talks with Democrats at 9am today to convince progressives to vote for infrastructure bill as The Squad threatens to kill it after he dropped family leave and billionaires’ tax to appease Manchin and Sinema
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10139071/Biden-delays-Pope-trip-crisis-talks-convince-progressives-vote-infrastructure-bill.html

pgroup2

Oh joy! Demons having a cage match with other demons.

Dora

Disgraceful!
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Fauci and his wife to receive award from Catholic charity for ‘significant contributions’ to the church
Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Christine Grady will receive the Saint Katherine Drexel Award from the Support Our Aging Religious organization on November 5.
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fauci-and-his-wife-to-receive-catholic-award-despite-his-disassociation-with-church-pro-life-values/

smiley2

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singingsoul1

Church lost its way just as Fauci did.

smiley2

up next on the world stage…

The Great Narrative Initiative

November 10 – 13, 2021

Dubai, UAE

article…

Propaganda : WEF Launches “Great Narrative Initiative”

article link…

https://www.technocracy.news/propaganda-blowout-world-economic-forum-launches-great-narrative-initiative/

10/26

Klaus Schwab , mentored by Trilateral Commission member Henry Kissinger since 1970, has already dropped The Great Reset on the world. Now he has partnered with the UAE to create The Great Narrative to craft unified propaganda to sell to the world.

 👉  an authoritative storyline to sell The Great Reset to global societies and economies.

 👉  The Great NARRATIVE Inititative

according to French philosopher Jean-Francois Lyotard, “grand narrative” functions to legitimize power, authority and social customs.

 👉  authoritarians use great narratives to legitimize their power.

more about this, at the link, with additional source reference.

plus….FYI…

article…

A Timeline of The Great Reset Agenda : From Foundation To Event 201 and The Pandemic of 2020

article link…

https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/timeline-great-reset-agenda-event-201-pandemic-2020/

Nov 2020

good info there..

year by year + a couple of videos…WEF, Gates, Clade X Pandemic exercise…

and finally this…

please pay attention

article…

UN’s Guterres Proposes A 2023 Summit of the Future In “Our Common Agenda” Report

article link..

https://www.passblue.com/2021/09/13/uns-guterres-proposes-a-2023-summit-of-the-future-in-our-common-agenda-report/

9/13/21

 👉  they want a new social contract “complemented” by a new global deal.

“…to enhance the governance of the global commons and global public goods.”

 👉  “…the broad-based green recovery from the pandemic.

the broad-based GREEN RECOVERY FROM THE PANDEMIC.

climate change + pandemic, all in one !

ok so far ?

and…also take note of the the year…2023.

seems they are ramping things up a tad sooner than the previous 2030 ?

it’s almost like they know something really huge is going to occur that could kinda impede their godless global governance.

gotta move f-a-s-t



Wolf Moon

These globocommie TOADS.

grandmaintexas

The leviathan was forced to surface.

It is only a matter of time before the Sword of the Spirit slays it.

smiley2

the queen of snarky… Red Jen Psucki…

Infrastructure and Reconciliation Bills Upended (Again) By Dems In Disarray

article link..

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/10/27/infrastructure-and-reconciliation-bills-upended-again-by-democrats-in-disarray-n2598119?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=d78ffdffd85480a9bdeced7b899479f46e3d9b65e4cf4a133d64d6de805daee5&recip=29049490

10/27

smiley2

flashback…

President Ronald Reagan tells a joke about buying a car in The Soviet Union…

part joke

part documentary

smiley2

this is Zachary Wilmore…first boy ? wait…
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 👉  Rock Bridge High School’s first MALE HOMECOMING QUEEN.

and…

s/he’s also a cheerleader !

article link…

https://www.komu.com/news/midmissourinews/first-boy-to-win-homecoming-queen-at-rock-bridge-makes-his-mark-beyond-the-crown/article_ad28caac-3666-11ec-b76b-bb4c51d0cee6.html

 🦄  Columbia, Missouri  🦄 

RDS

Well, wasn’t it a BOY wearing a SKIRT and says he’s a GIRL who RAPED a real girl in a school bathroom in Virginia, then HE was transferred to another school where he raped ANOTHER girl in the bathroom, and the local school board covered it all up?

Tonawanda

Boy, was I wrong. A couple days ago I posted a link to an article by this J6 inmate. I was 100% certain his groveling was futile, and boy was I wrong. What they judge has done here is to prove beyond any doubt (not that we needed proof) that J6 is about persecuting Trump supporters for being Trump supporters and that alone:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/10/going_full_soviet_judge_releases_jan_6_defendant_on_bond_after_he_renounces_trump_.html

The inmate became garbage to gain freedom. And he is free, and he is garbage. People will do anything to be free, including debase themselves.

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Deplorable Patriot

He gave lip service to it, anyway.

kalbokalbs

“Boy, was I wrong.”
^^^ AGREE. WITHOUT A DOUBT. YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG. ^^^

Yea. Did not read the details at this link, or the one a few days back.

Why bad mouth this guy.

  • Do I agree with him denouncing Trump. NO.
  • Do I understand why he denounced Trump. Guessing so.
  • Have I, YOU, or anyone here lived a day, Week, MONTH, NINE MONTHS IN HIS SHIT HOLE CELL?
  • IF I understand it correctly, 23 hours a day, IN A CELL. ROTTING IN A CELL.
  • GUARDS reportedly, verbally TRASHING J6 Political Prisoners. Guessing some physical abuse by guards also.
  • One hour to walk around some pathetic, small square. Look up at sky. NOT LOOK OUT at scenery. Shower frequency? Visitors? Family? ANY meaningful CONNECTION WITH LIFE OUTSIDE HIS FUCKING CELL?

Why not beat on shit head politicians?

Guessing some are gleeful over RINO WARRIORS like Lee, Cornyn, Grassley, Cotton, Cruz beating on POS Garland. Yes, they rightfully BEAT on POS Garland over his moronic ORDERING the Gestapo FBI to Target Moms and Dads challenging school boards.

  • These asshoe politicians couldn’t take 30 seconds to beat the shit out of Garland. Challenging DEMANDING J6 Political Prisoners be released from solitary? J6 cases moved along.
  • AND, I don’t give a flying fuck IF there is a “political” agreement that Garland would only queried about school board BS.
  • The PLIGHT of J6 DEMAND ATTENTION. Imagine IF EVERY RINO Senator beat on Garland over the plight of the J6 Political Prisoners.

FACT IS, J6 defendants HAVE BEEN LEFT HUNG OUT TO ROT.

WITH NO HOPE FOR JUSTICE. NONE.

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Maybe, the J6 Political Prisoner, you have trashed, is simply gaming to FIGHT ANOTHER DAY. I sincerely DOUBT he has been pacified for life.

I won’t judge this guy. He SURVIVED NINE MONTHS IN A SHIT HOLE. I admire that he had the stamina to last this long.

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OK. TRASH ME. You can have the LAST word on this. I have had my say. Won’t engage in endless back and forth on this.

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Tonawanda

TY for giving me the last word. Read piper567’s link posted somewhere below.

Gingersmom2009

Absolutely.

Aubergine

I agree with you, 100%, and I am fully prepared to defend that position.

trumpismine

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Deplorable Patriot

The country club set continues to wake up:

October 28, 2021
The Trump effect is gathering steamBy Mark C. Ross

As retrospection becomes ever more clear, knowledge of the impact of the Trump presidency has been taking form — especially when compared to the bunglers who came next.  Perhaps most importantly, and without obvious intent, he managed to bring out the worst in his enemies.  The U.S. will never be the same again.

For starters, let’s look at Adam Schiff and Gerald Nadler.  Once just off-the-rack hack politicians, now they’re cartoons…of sleaze-ball villains.  Trump, somehow, made them go w-a-a-a-y too far in making ridiculous accusations — climaxed by Schiff’s “improvised” mischaracterization of Trump’s phone call to the Ukraine.

Much of America had already grown weary of the establishment clones that have populated our government, hence the underpinning of Trump’s victory in 2016 (also the same year the Cubs won the World Series — first time in 109 years).  We were ready for Trump and burned out on Hillary.  As a well known business and media personality, with no Ivy League pedigree or political past, Trump stepped right into the winner’s circle.  This was much to the chagrin of the usual suspects — hence the concerted effort to depose him.  Meanwhile, the terms “Deep State” and “swamp” have assumed permanent positions in our language relating to politics.

Obviously, Mr. Trump is not a perfect being.  But, compared to the quasi-humans of the Deep State, he’s a refreshing breath of fresh air.  But now he’s gone, at least from the reins of power….

The camouflage has been stripped away.  False pretentions of benevolence and pandering to counterfeit victims are now more easily seen for what they are.  Weariness of government malfeasance is the real pandemic.  A clearer concept of the proper role of government has finally emerged: protect the freedoms we already have — not dole out “freedom” to those who “qualify” because they belong to a particular group.  Adherence to stereotypes is supposed to be protected as necessary mental laziness among the (ahem) caring Progressives.  Really?…

And, now that we’ve all gotten a basic education in immunology, we can better understand the true success of the Trump presidency.  By provoking his opponents on the left into recklessly exposing themselves as the true villains they are, he has vaccinated the nation from becoming ever more infected with their nonsense.  We are now witnessing the body politic’s reaction to the constant attempts to usurp our freedom.

More here.

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RF121

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wowohwow1528

John Wick … bang bang bang …
‘This character came out of retirement when the bad guys shot his dog … hmmmm 🤔?

wowohwow1528

🔽 🔽 🔽 comment on the clip posted below:
It hilarious watching how Valentine was willing to sacrifice billions except for the few he thought were actually important, only to have all the people he thought were worth saving get destroyed.

… ☑️ ..

RAC

“VIDEO: Journalist Reads Filthy Porn Book from School’s Library at FL School Board Meeting – Board Members Call Police to Have Him Forcefully Removed for Reading Obscene Content Aloud”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/video-journalist-reads-filthy-porn-book-schools-library-fl-school-board-meeting-board-members-call-police-forcefully-removed-reading-obscene-content-aloud/

Some board hag said she didn’t know about it, could be that pretend not to know thing coming into play. She also tells another lady she cannout shout out in the meeting, but she had the guy on the microphone who could speak thrown out.

para59r

Jack did a short tweet about this yesterday and seemed more of a joke than real. Here he is double downing on his claim that Jill Biden is trying to apply the 25th Amendment to her.

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War room discusses.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/jack-posobiec-multiple-sources-confirm-jill-biden-has-asked-about-using-25th-amendment-to-get-rid-of-kamala-harris/

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Deplorable Patriot

Warrant Issued for Former Clinton Global Initiative Co-Chair Steve Bachar on Charges of Securities Fraud and Felony TheftBy Cristina Laila
Published October 27, 2021 at 1:36pm
258 Comments

Authorities in Denver have issued an arrest warrant for former Clinton Global Initiative co-chair Steve Bachar on charges of securities fraud and felony theft.

Bachar, a Denver-based attorney and longtime Clinton operative, is accused of ‘mishandling $2 million set aside to purchase PPE and lying to an investor “in connection with the offer, sale or purchase of a security,” according to the criminal complaint.

Steve Bachar worked for the Treasury Department under Bill Clinton, served as the co-chair of the Clinton Global Initiative and even worked on the national finance committee for Crooked Hillary’s 2016 presidential campaign.

In true Clinton fashion, Bachar categorically denied the allegations in a text message to the Denver Post.

RDS

Well, one can posit that a different type of “process server” may also be on the lookout for Mr. Bachar….

Tonawanda

piper567 posted this yesterday in the context of the discussion about what we can do under the circumstances in which we find ourselves. Highly recommend for a practical, realistic and inspirational answer to that question:

https://academyofideas.com/2021/09/the-big-lie-how-to-enslave-the-world/

Tonawanda

And this thought occurs to me. The man/child J6 inmate who turned into state propaganda to gain his freedom (mentioned above and a couple days ago) is a perfect example of what piper567’s link is talking about. This inmate betrayed every single other inmate first, and all patriots second, by slavishly promoting their lies.

I said a couple days ago, he had forfeited his dignity, and I stand by that. Whether he was sincere in his groveling or just mouthing words makes no difference. For the rest of his entire life he will be seen for what he is.

kalbokalbs

So the link is what was referred to as Piper post. Y A W N.

I missed the part where, “This inmate betrayed every single other inmate first, and all patriots second, by slavishly promoting their lies.”

^^^ Certainly your opinion. Likely others. Perhaps many, others. But, do share a LINK to how we KNOW this is a FACT.

Wonder IF any, most or all of the J6 Political Prisoners feel betrayed.

I, for One, do NOT feel betrayed by this J6 inmate. AND, I do believe that I am a Patriot. Feel free to discount me to man/child.

Tonawanda

I said piper’s “link,” not piper’s post. I did not refer you to my post, I referred you to piper’s link within a post. If you wanted, I was inviting you to click on the link, read the article, and assess your position in light of what was expressed in the link.

I presume you did not read the link. You really should. It puts a lot of things in proper perspective.

There was a discussion yesterday about what any one of us can do in the face of what is happening. piper’s link gives a perfect answer: live within the truth.

Living within the truth requires different things from different people at different times, and we count on each other to do what must be done, short of putting rats in a cage and affixing it to a person’s face. To do otherwise is a betrayal of us all.

True, that is just my opinion. You have a different opinion.

Please have the last word. I will be honorable and not go back on my promise to you.

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Wolf Moon

I get where both of you are coming from. By seeing all sides of this, the winning strategy emerges!!!

Tonawanda

Both sides make sense and most importantly they our sides WE take on our own assessment.

Wolf Moon

We have to accept that EVERY PATRIOT will stumble – EVERY patriot will backslide – we will ALL be Robert The Bruce – that was part of the lesson of Braveheart. FEW are William Wallace. MOST are Robert the Bruce.

We DO betray others when we stumble – mistakenly or intentionally – but we REJECT THE REGIME when we FORGIVE EACH OTHER.

This is very important. We REJECT their game when we FORGIVE each other but remain INSISTENT on our PATRIOTIC DUTY.

And where does this come from? From our religion, and the ideas of forgiveness and atonement.

Deplorable Patriot

From the Confiteor:

“I confess to Almighty God, and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do, through my fault, my fault, my most grievous fault.”

There’s another paragraph.

Should be said every Sunday, but most priests just do the Kyrie.

Tonawanda

Logic is logic. A = A. Verdict first, judgment second.

Betrayal is betrayal, regardless of the mitigating circumstances.

And forgiveness is forgiveness, regardless of the betrayal. That is where the mitigating circumstances are considered, along with compassion and prudence, and along with the way in which forgiveness is given.

Failure to separate distinct issues often leads to unnecessary attacks, which for some reason veer into demeaning and pointless anger.

RDS

“live within the truth”

Tonawanda

Live within the truth, exactly.

Wolf Moon

And when we don’t, ADMIT IT – which makes us live within the truth AGAIN.

Where did we hear these answers? COUGH, COUGH, COUGH. Yeah, that guy!

Wolf Moon

That LINK contains the TRANSCRIPT of the video. Either the video or the transcript will do – they are both EXCELLENT.

Here is the video:

The point conforms with ALL our winning strategies. In particular, cutting the cable and encouraging others to do so is KEY.

Not accepting ANY of their LIES is key. We are doing that, even at the scientific level.

This is EXCELLENT, and confirms that we are up against SOVIETISM.

Tonawanda

I read the transcript and was awed. It is all there.

para59r

Kinda hoped they’d bring beagles into this, but its good anyway.

Deplorable Patriot

I’ve heard this. And, yes, it is an issue when the kids are here.

gil00

Still trying to figure out the mystery of the disappearing socks first.

kalbokalbs

On the positive side, Grand Sons are content, even prefer mis-match socks.

Sock problem solved. 🙂 Back to shoes.

Valerie Curren

My daughter was known for it in grade school. Lemons into lemonade 🙂

gil00

Lol. Well its fun to mix it up sometimes.

Deplorable Patriot

It’s like there’s a sock monster that eats them.

gil00

Mine has a favorite red sock with beagles on it that has disappeared. If i have to i can order another pair .

Dora

mollypitcher5

Isn’t there a “former” eco terrorist being considered ( maybe conformed) to some appointment in govt ?

Wolf Moon

Yes. I think she already got the job. That’s why I see this as by our own “government” of leftist maniacs.

Wolf Moon

This is somebody on the “other side”, but the number of targets ranges from ChiComs to Soviets (ours or “theirs”) to greeniacs, to unionoids to general communists.

Would FIB plant bombs for the Bidenoids, using the cover of their own informants?

HELL YES.

Deplorable Patriot

Creative. What a mess. I love it.

para59r

That’s the first warning.

kalbokalbs

Beautiful!

para59r
Deplorable Patriot

Wonder what this is all about.

Vatican abruptly cancels live broadcast of Biden meeting Pope FrancisAlex Gangitano  25 mins ago

The Vatican on Thursday canceled a planned live broadcast of the meeting between President Biden and Pope Francis.

The meeting is slated for Friday and the Vatican press office did not provide an explanation for why the broadcast was canceled, the Associated Press reported. The broadcast will now only include the arrival of Biden’s motorcade to the Vatican and a Vatican monsignor greeting him.

The original broadcast was supposed to include live coverage of Francis and Biden greeting each other and the two of them sitting down before starting their private conversation. The Vatican, according to AP, will now provide edited footage of these moments after the fact to the media.

The White House has deferred to the Vatican on questions over media access for the visit.

“What I can assure you of is that we are working through every lever we have to advocate for access for the press pool and for press when the President visits the Vatican. We believe in the value of the free press. We believe in the value of ensuring you have access to the President’s trips and his visits overseas,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters on Tuesday.

She added that the White House had no update at the time on guaranteeing press access for the meeting.

grandmaintexas

Jorge is not feeling well, I think.

gil00

DP, I would guess POTUS is holding one of Eric’s beagles. They have 2 or 3.

Please

I might guess that RealPOTUS knew of Fauzi’s past with pups and was trolling with one of his famous “wait until the truth comes out” moments.

Deplorable Patriot

That’s kind of the consensus.

gil00

Sure is possible.

singingsoul1

DP love your posts and they are spot on. 🙂

Valerie Curren

Yes! Today is Another Epic Daily!!! DP Rocks 🙂

singingsoul1

🙂

kalbokalbs

I applaud EVERYONE AND EVERY BUSINESS THAT leaves CA. F’m. CA, that is.

trumpismine

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para59r

para59r

I guess dad has kids to spare.

Wolf Moon

These people are MONSTERS.

Biden is EVIL. Obama is EVIL.

PRAY THAT THEY ARE REMOVED.

bflyjesusgrl

FEED ME!!!
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Valerie Curren

At 2:13 on the Centerfield video IF that is Ty Cobb it could be my grandpa there too. According to my dad his dad used to tell stories about how Ty Cobb would leave the fence gate open at Tiger Stadium (boy do I miss that place rather than current Comerica Park) so the local boys could come in AND watch practices (& maybe games).

Even when we were growing up in the 60’s & 70’s kids would buy cheap tickets to sit in the bleachers w/ their gloves on. Tiger Stadium had one of the shortest distances to hit one out AND all baseball savvy kids of the era took advantage of that hope of catching one of those Home Run Balls!

Deplorable Patriot

Parenting my parents just might kill me.

Okay, new issue. The thermostat has been on that wall since 1992. When it’s on automatic, it turns on, and then off before the cycle runs, even before the gas elements light all the way. I’ve been limping us along turning it on on every other hour or so for a cycle, but that isn’t going to work for the winter. I’ve changed the batteries, cleaned out the dust, and all, and it’s still doing this.

Any ideas?

The old man’s skinflint mother’s genes have surfaced (I mean, one of her sisters in law said that she could squeeze a nickel ’til the buffalo $#!+) and he is resisting with all his might calling a pro in to fix it even if doing just that after he f—ed things up has cost my parents over the years. He’s no longer ALLOWED to do plumbing. I REALLY don’t want him touching the electrical stuff. I mean, Mom had the fuse box replaced with a panel while he was out of town. Same thing with refinishing the hardwood floors, AND ripping out and replacing a bathroom. Not that he had a problem in the end with what she did, but his request in spending home improvement money was thermal windows so he didn’t have to glaze them anymore. Well, and new concrete. And he bugged the crap out of the concrete guys.

Anyway, the man thinks he’s going to be able to replace the thermostat himself. Help me. PLEASE.

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wowohwow1528

I have one in my family like that. There are no words. Hoping you get good responses.

Deplorable Patriot

I just want it fixed without burning the house down.

wowohwow1528

Heh heh … if I could only tell you about my diy guy … 😑 .. 😞

cthulhu

The thermostat is all low-voltage signalling, like a doorbell or a garage-door opener button. You’re more likely to burn the house down if it keeps poofing gas into the heat section without igniting it.

Deplorable Patriot

I might be able to do this without breaking a nail, then. One broke this morning while I was loading the wash machine.

cthulhu

Thermostats are not that bad. I replaced ours when we moved into the house and I didn’t even have to wedge myself into an uncomfortable position.

Ritetemp 6035 from Home Depot. Need small screwdriver and possibly a drill with 3/16″ bit for wall mounting. Pull old thermostat apart, find wires and disconnect, remove old thermostat. Analyse wires — you only need 4 — there’s a chart in the installation guide. Set jumpers (covered in installation guide).

Deplorable Patriot

There’s five wires, actually, and I hope it doesn’t come to that.

cthulhu

The fifth wire is optional — it provides 5V power to run the thermostat (which uses batteries, instead).

cthulhu

Oops, 24V.

Cuppa Covfefe

Here’s a short post with a video (and I’m NOT implying anyone is a dummy, except the dummycrats). The fellow seems pretty helpful, and is open to calls and questions via his website, too:

https://www.thermostatcenter.com/thermostat-wiring

Main thing is matching your thermostat with whatever is out there (depends on how old it is, etc.). Over here things are pretty much standardized (DIN and EC codes), not sure if the same is true in the US. He has a pretty basic way of testing whether the thermostat is really working or not.

They are also locking covers for thermostats 🙂 [OK, just kidding]…

One thing with the color codes is sometimes whoever installed whatever had their own idea, and the source matches the destination, but didn’t use the correct colors (bought a different cable or something). I’ve seen that a lot in low-voltage control systems, e.g. house phones/intercoms. Always good to have a little voltmeter at hand just to check the voltage on the leads, and to see if a “dead” circuit is really dead…. or cold…

Isn’t someone here an HVAC person (rayzor?)… Probably they would have a lot of good advice…

barkerjim

This may sound crazy, but you may have a company that services your furnace and A/C equipment yearly or at some time schedule. They come out and clean, inspect and make certain that everything operates properly. They would be happy to replace the thermostat as well. They probably wouldn’t even charge much beyond the normal service charge.

Deplorable Patriot

We have that, and if we had been thinking about it, it could have been done while my parents were out of town, but it just didn’t happen.

barkerjim

Give them a call, they may send someone back and do it for free, since they didn’t find the problem while they were there.

Valerie Curren

I don’t have any actual answers directly. However after being in our house for 2 decades the AC portion of heating & cooling finally failed. We have a friend in the industry so we consulted him & chose a local company that had a good reputation and the prices were reasonable according to our friend (he couldn’t beat them).

We got new furnace & AC AND that meant a new thermostat. We chose a package deal that included a water heater AND a humidifier (crucial improvement). They had service calls included for a year AND showed us how to do the filters AND tips to extend their longevity & save some money in a couple different ways.

The one time they came out the tube that runs condensation (distilled water?) to the laundry tub was clogged with mold, iirc. He showed us how to flush it & what to do to keep it from happening again. The problem had triggered an auto shut down which unfortunately caused the digital display on the thermostat to go dark so we were pretty clueless on the problem (my husband is a very skilled in most arenas handy man)…

Although all of this cost more than I wanted to pay (I’m the skinflint around here) we were able to take advantage of their 0% financing plan AND pay it off without interest in the 12 or 18 months that the terms offered. So it didn’t cost us more than the advertised deal.

I wish we’d gotten the humidifier years ago. Every winter I used to get cracked and bleeding hands due to the low humidity. Now we can set the house’s humidity in a desired range & have straight heating or straight cooling or set temps where heating OR cooling kick in depending on interior temps.

We probably have options that can allow for different settings at different times of day &/or night but haven’t played with them because someone is almost always home AND awake…

para59r

Go to youtube and type in repair thermostat and examine the video’s (there will likely be many) for ones that seem to relate to your problem. Also use the name of your thermostat in the search. Don’t be surprised if the problem is not with the thermostat though. Could be the heating or A/C, but 95 times out of hundred you can find a vid that will step you through your problem.

Deplorable Patriot

Dad’s been doing that. Very frightening.

para59r

Okay, I’m laughing now. 🙂
Still, take a look around. You might need to supervise dad.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=How+to+fix+thermosat&t=vivaldi&ia=web

Deplorable Patriot

So far, I’ve fixed what he’s messed up on this one. I’d call my electrical engineer brother to help, but he lives in Florida.

para59r

Good Idea. Dads are notorious for just glancing at the directions and then plunging ahead on their own. In this case that means only watching the few minutes of the vid.

Cuppa Covfefe

Ahhh. Directions are for amateurs…. MOAR POWER 😆
(To quote Tim “The Tool Man” Taylor)…

My favorite station is RTFM 🙂 Which I do before I fire (or build) anything up. Even if it’s in Engrish…

[Saw a car with “RTFM” as the license plate in the parking lot. Went into the office and said, “wow, there’s an old wreck of a car with the funniest license plate ‘RTFM’ in the parking lot”.

One of the application expert engineers said “Hey, Cuppa, that’s MY car”… We all laughed, but I wanted to crawl under a desk and hide for a while…]….

Wolf Moon

It sounds to me like your thermostat is detecting HEAT from the cycle too fast, long before the house has actually warmed up.

My wife can actually mess up both heating and cooling by “hovering” around our very sensitive thermostat, heating it up.

If it’s heating, she “shuts it off” by “hovering”, and wondering why it’s not working, as her breath and body heat raise the temperature (literally – I can SEE IT on the dial) to turn off the heating.

If it’s cooling, and it’s “too cool”, she keeps it cooling by “hovering” and heating the thermostat.

The solution is to make the thermostat impervious to drafts, and less influenced by radiant heating, but still visible. You can hang some thick clear plastic over it, loosely from the wall above, which makes the cycle longer, and less influenced by observation. The heater will have to work harder to change the thermostat.

My cheap fix is to scare the wife away from the thermostat, and to “substitute” for her by volunteering to do the monitoring, which magically cures the problem by my being very careful when I observe the dials to stand away, not breathe on the unit, and to shine a cold LED light on the dial, so I can watch it from 3 feet away.

Deplorable Patriot

This thing is almost thirty years old. What it is doing I found on a list that says this is one of the signs it would need to be replaced.

The darn thing is in the warmest room in the house if the oven is not on, and not in line with either the front door or the back. It probably just is on the verge of dying.

Wolf Moon

Yeah, that is not an optimal location, IMO. Hallways are annoying in some ways, but excellent in others, and one of the latter is that hallway thermostats don’t get fooled by odd room characteristics.

Deplorable Patriot

There’s not a hallway on the first floor. The other best option is in the dining room.

Itswoot

I’m assuming that your thermostat is the old fashioned round type? If it is, the problem could be the heat adjuster setting, which can be adjusted.

Find out what the make and model of your thermostat is. You may have to pull off the cover (should be easy) to get the model number. Do a search and see if you can find info on it. Also, there there may be a glass bubble switch in the thermostat. If the thermostat is not installed correctly, and is out of level, that will affect the glass bubble switch from functioning properly. There should be lines on the back housing plate to guide you in leveling it. (going on memory on that last line)

Here is some good info on a Honeywell thermostat that should give you a good idea of what you might be dealing with on your particular make and model:

https://inspectapedia.com/heat/Heat_Anticipator_Adustment.php

Plan B:

It isn’t all that hard to install a new digital thermostat by someone in your family. Most of them have good instructions without having to go the YouTube route. For troubleshooting tips, do a search of your make and model with the help groups.

Deplorable Patriot

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Itswoot

The trouble shooting guide on page 45 of the manual would be the first place to look.

Personally, my choice would be to buy a new one and install it. If the older Honeywell thermostat (30 years?) has a circuit board, tiny cracks can develop in the solder joints that can affect operation. I had that happen on an older (1995) vehicle that I owned. A complicated business to solve.

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Deplorable Patriot

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para59r

It got better, lower vid if two show up. Tossing trash onto DeBlasio’s lawn.

Valerie Curren

What’s the significance of that Red Castle flag? Wasn’t there something on the Q drops about that?

Deplorable Patriot

Army Corps of Engineers, I think.

Valerie Curren

Thx

Deplorable Patriot

Deplorable Patriot

I wish.

Deplorable Patriot

Wolf Moon

POSO GETS IT. This is cultural. Trump stood up for the Black side of town – IN REALITY. Biden? FJB. People get it. Malcolm X, totally right.

Aubergine

Well, why aren’t they burning shit down, then? I mean, they can do that with impunity. Get crackin’!

trumpismine

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Wisconsin sheriff to take action on ‘state-wide election fraud violations’: TUNE IN
https://t.co/ytgabUD1vy?amp=1

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JW in Germany

They are making this sound pretty huge on Patriot Soapbox. I have to listen a little longer to get some details.

https://rumble.com/vnh7at-patriots-soapbox-news-network-live-247365.html

Valerie Curren

It can be done but it is often done sacrificially. Higher paying more powerful jobs can require the sacrifice of time in expected excess hours worked & distances to such types of employment. Closer to home can be less money so you can have more family time, in theory. Our kids grew up on resale clothes except for gifts from their grandparents. Ubiquitous hand-me-downs from sibs &/or cousins almost every vacation to family properties & mostly surviving on freebies, like library programs.

All four of our kids turned out pretty well, but there were many challenges. They also were shaped by the significant crucible of special needs in our family. That cross beat me down enough as a stay-at-home mom that they all learned many skills of self-sufficiency, cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. because I was too exhausted AND overwhelmed to take care of many basic things. My kids are incredibly gracious AND forgiving & they each learned to step up to the plate when needed.

But it was Never Easy!

cthulhu

It sounds like your kids were quite blessed in learning on how to take care of themselves and help others and know when to do so….which also taught them to accept help from others and ask for assistance when needed. There are an awful (and I mean AWFUL!) lot of people wandering around today who can’t fathom this.

I really didn’t “get” laundry until I had my own (not coin-op) washer and dryer. A classic example of this was this pair of white jeans — almost painter’s pants — that I liked. They were comfy, easy to wear, and looked reasonably stylin’. It was very upsetting when injured my hand and bled all over them.

I didn’t have a lot of spare clothing, so I thought I’d recover this pair. I called everyone I knew for suggestions. Cold water rinse, pack with salt, hydrogen peroxide, presoak in bleach, scrub with half a lemon, spread laundry detergent over it while wet and sit for an hour….I got a lot of suggestions and did a bunch of them. Then I let the washing machine do its thing.

My heart leapt when I pulled it out of my parents’ washing machine and found that the bloodstains were gone. “Yay for the good guys!” I put it into the dryer and went off to wait for it to dry.

But when I got back to the dryer and opened the door, it was full of white fluff. Nothing that looked like a garment at all, just fluff. I ran my fingers through and got a few solid pieces — the largest was the zipper. There was a little thing that was the corner of a pocket, and another thing had the waist button. But there was lots and lots of fluff.

I eventually had to scoop it all out into a bag and throw it away. It’s been about 40 years, and I seldom wear white.

Valerie Curren

AND now you know why not many menstruating women wear white bottoms! Learning that lesson the Very Hard way that you did has surely seared it into your memory. 🙂

I had no clue about laundry growing up so when about to leave for college 1000 miles away from home my mom was frantically writing me cliff notes of laundry basics. I literally used to pull those notes out for reference for several months afterward.

One bonus of what ended up being my parenting style was that it was pretty rare for my kids to grill me about where their sports uniforms were nor complain if they weren’t clean. That stuff was on them!

Those sex-stereotype tasks from years back are pretty much out the window now, imo. All kids should know the basics of cooking, cleaning, laundry, shopping, auto maintenance (tires, fluids, etc.), minor home repair, basic yard work, oh AND money management. That way they can all be assets to their future spouses AND very self-sufficient.

Both my husband & I had lived on our own before marriage. Our oldest son bought his house about a half year before the wedding. His fiancée was in on the purchase decision & his future in-laws were involved in some of the chosen improvements. Our daughter lived with us until her marriage. She & her husband live w/ her widowed father-in-law, for a season while her husband finishes his degree. She is providing the woman’s touch to that household, which is likely a huge blessing to her hubby AND his dad. Her cooking skills alone have made a Big Difference in their lives!