Dear KMAG: 20220718 Joe Biden Didn’t Win ❀ Open Topic

Joe Biden didn’t win. This is our Real President:

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And indeed, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

…and we will have fun doing it, too!


The Rules

TL;DR –

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Boilerplate, more or less, but worth reading again and again, if only for the minor changes, and to stay out of moderation.

The bottom line is Free Speech. Theories and ideas you don’t agree with must be WELCOME here, and you must be part of that welcoming. But you do NOT need to be part of any agreement.

Bottom line – respect other people’s FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

Our only additional requirement is that you do so NICELY. Or at least try to make some effort in that direction.

SO….. [ENGAGE BOILERPLATE…..]

We must endeavor to persevere to love our frenemies – even here.

Those who cannot deal with this easy requirement will be forced to jump the hoops of moderation, so that specific comments impugning other posters and violating the minimal rules can be sorted out and tossed in the trash.

In Wheatie’s words, “We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

That includes the life skill of just ignoring certain other posters.

We do have a site – The U Tree – where civility is not a requirement. Interestingly, people don’t really go there much. Nevertheless, if you find yourself in an “argument” that can’t really stay civil, please feel free to “take it to the U Tree”. The U Tree is also a good place to report any technical difficulties, if you’re unable to report them here. Please post your comment there on one of Wolf’s posts, or in reply to one of Wolf’s comments, to make sure he sees it (though it may take a few hours).

We also have a backup site, called The Q Tree as well, which is really The Q Tree 579486807. You might call it “Second Tree”. The URL for that site is https://theqtree579486807.wordpress.com/. If this site (theqtree.com) ever goes down, please reassemble at the Second Tree.

If the Second Tree goes down, please go to The U Tree, or to our Gab Group, which is located at https://gab.com/groups/4178.

We also have some “old rules” and important guidelines, outlined here, in a very early post, on our first New Year’s Day, in 2019. The main point is not to make violent threats against people, which then have to be taken seriously by law enforcement, and which can be used as a PRETEXT by enemies of this site.

In the words of Wheatie, “Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”


A Moment of Prayer

Our policy on extreme religious freedom on this site is discussed HERE. Please feel free to pray and praise God anytime and anywhere.

Thus, please pray for our real President, the one who actually won the election.

You may also pray for our nation, our world, and even our enemies.


Call To Battle

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Day Year:

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noun

something which holds the place of another, such as this default post which “holds the place” of what would be an interesting and varied weekly Monday post.

verb

to do something to Eric Holder, as in “Please placeholder under arrest.”

Used in a sentence:

“Please placeholder under arrest.”

Used in a picture:


ENJOY THE SHOW

Have another great week!

W

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Valerie Curren

My son Josiah shared these interesting insights from John MacArthur:

“We’re still in awe of how the ministry of this church has grown and developed over this period of time. I don’t think anybody would have come up with this COVID situation as a strategy for church growth, but it has turned out that way. I’m just kind of curious, how many of you have come to Grace Church during the COVID period, from eighteen months ago up until now?…there’s been a sifting in the life of the church over this period of time; and I don’t think that is accidental because God is in charge of everything. And 1 Peter 4:17 says, ‘Judgment must begin at the house of God.’

Well in my lifetime I’ve never seen anything anywhere near as effective as this COVID situation. It has shut down more bad churches than anything ever could have done. It has put an end to false churches, narcissistic leadership; and the Lord has sifted and purged His church. Judgment begins at the house of God. That’s not to say Grace Church is perfect; we know better than that. But I will say this church is faithful, faithful to the Word of God because the Word of God dominates our life and our thought and our conversation and our conduct and our relationships. And for whatever may have come along with COVID, for whatever your experience was with COVID, or mine, that was just a blip on the temporal screen. What really matters in the world is the church of Jesus Christ. And the church needs to be the church.

There were some faithful churches who I think acted in a less than courageous way; I don’t know all the circumstances. But there were a lot of unfaithful churches that needed to shut down. Judgment has come in a lot of ways. I have been far more terrified by false doctrine than I have by any virus. Far more damage is done in this world by false teaching, false churches, scandalous pastors, bad theology, churches advocating things that blaspheme the name of God. So I could take two weeks of COVID, to see the hand of God in such a mighty way bringing down what has, among other things, been a judgment on His church. And I think it’s the separating of the true church from the false.” – John MacArthur

Linda

That’s an interesting perspective, and undoubtedly true. I was very disappointed in the church’s response to COVID and the death jabs. He was one of the few that stood up.

Valerie Curren

Yes. Judgement begins in the House of the Lord!

WSB

Mine was one, Wolf. It is across the street from Trump Tower.

WSB

Wolf, I now believe that the US Presbyterian Church got rid of our once great pastor in NYC over a planned allegation of an affair, and replaced him with a left-wing group. Our minister was so popular, he had two to three thousand people come to services each week.

I saw this happening for a few years. Nothing to do about it from my vantage point, as I had moved out of the area but still supported the church.

When I saw the George Floyd post in my quarterly report, that was enough to decrease my monetary support to a few dollars, keeping my membership in the church but so wary of doing anything else. I will keep looking for a new church.

Cannot tell you how disappointed I am.

WSB

After seeing other accounts, I now believe it was a false allegation by a major donor to the church.

WSB

This is so true, Wolf. You are a gem.

Never back down, because evil will try to ruin and KILL you. End of story.

Amen!

WSB

I truly believe so. He is now in a small church in Texas.

Thomas Tewell was a major pastor in a NYC Presbyterian Church across from Trump Tower for YEARS!!!

He was a fabulous preacher for so many of us.

Then the church turned against him, and this odd story came out.

Then a new pastor and group suddenly came on board.

Leftwing group, and Floyd was the new topic. Cannot make it up.

WSB

Wolf, just received this today from my church! Our pastor on his pre-paid summer vacation getting heat from NYC about the Jews and Jordanians..I mean, Palestinians? Not sure…

“Dear Members and Friends,
Amy and I send you greetings and affection from northern Minnesota.

Even here, where most mornings we are greeted by the call of the white-throated sparrow, and not by pressing ecclesiastical news, I have received word regarding a recent decision passed by the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

On July 8, the General Assembly voted 266-116 to approve INT-02, a resolution declaring that, “Israel’s laws, policies, and practices constitute apartheid against the Palestinian people.” The full resolution can be found here. This decision has been covered by major media outlets including the Washington Post and Business Insider.

For those of you unfamiliar with Presbyterian polity, the General Assembly meets once every two years. Its membership changes every two years as well. Most of the 400 or so American Presbyterians who participated in this year’s General Assembly will attend only once in their lifetimes. The Stated Clerk of the denomination, J. Herbert Nelson, has released a statement defending the General Assembly’s decision.

Meanwhile, groups like Presbyterians for Middle East Peace and the Reform Jewish Movement (with which our friends at Temple Emanu-El and Central Synagogue are affiliated) have offered strong dissent. The Session of First Presbyterian Church in Atlanta has also issued a clear dissent, and I expect other Presbyterian congregations across the country will follow suit.

I concur with those who dissent.

My friends, I do not intend, in this email, to set down my own, imperfect perspective on this complicated geopolitical matter. If you would like to entertain that conversation, let’s do it in person. Buy me a cup of coffee in September, and I promise we can dig into this multi-layered issue face to face.

Today, I simply want to share two facts related to this resolution, and highlight the questions and consequences I believe these facts raise for American Presbyterians. Then I will outline our next steps.
 
Fact #1Good, thoughtful, faithful people disagree (often quite passionately) on this topic. Some of my best friends and colleagues do not share my perspectives on Israel and the occupied territories. And yes, there are many more than two perspectives on this topic. Add to all this the fact that history is being written every day in the Middle East, further complicating an already complicated conversation. So it is really no surprise that there is broad disagreement within our denomination about what to say and do.
 
QuestionsIs it smart for a deeply divided body to issue such a controversial political statement? Such statements convey that this part of the church is right, and this part is wrong—this part of the Body of Christ is compassionate, and this part is addicted to the wrong sort of power. It is politically tempting to draw such distinctions, to angle for a “win” for your side on the floor of General Assembly—but is it faithful, intellectually honest and helpful in addressing the issues at hand? Don’t we have better tools for addressing matters on which informed people of faith, in good conscience, disagree? Have we given up on prayerful study and thoughtful interfaith dialogue? In the name of doing something prophetic, has the General Assembly abandoned humble, balanced, ethically-nuanced conversation?
 
Fact #2Respected Jewish organizations and dear friends of Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church are calling the General Assembly’s use of the incendiary label “apartheid” an instance of antisemitic rhetoric. I personally know a number of the Jewish and Christian leaders who have made this accusation. These individuals are smart, level-headed, faithful and trustworthy. None of them views the situation in Israel and the occupied territories as morally adequate. All are committed to working for a better, more just, and safer world for all of God’s children. I take the charge of antisemitism leveled by these dedicated and thoughtful folk with utmost seriousness.
 
QuestionsWhy did this year’s General Assembly not make room on its docket to hear from voices in the Reform Jewish movement before voting on this measure? Why is it that the churches and pastors most opposed to this resolution are from urban areas with sizable Jewish populations? Is it because we feel pressure from our Jewish neighbors? Or is it because, through repeated interactions with our Jewish neighbors, we have learned to listen to each other better, with ears and hearts shaped by faithful aspirations for what Israel and the occupied territories might be? Finally, do we really think that the “apartheid” label helps matters? When in the history of American politics and religious disputes has inflammatory rhetoric changed people’s hearts and minds? 

My friends, General Assembly Resolution INT-02 will not move the needle. It will not make things better. Not for the Palestinians. Not for the Israelis. Not for the prospects of Middle East peace. Not for American Jews in dialogue with American Christians about all sorts of important matters.
 
What should Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church do?I propose three concrete actions.

First: Fifth Avenue’s leadership will immediately go to work developing an adult education forum to be held this fall that will address this decision. We will talk about how Presbyterian government works, whose voices were represented in discussions leading up to this decision, and most importantly, we will strategize about what Presbyterians can do to work for justice, peace and security for all who live within Israel and the occupied territories. 

Second: I intend to form a working group that will be charged with drafting an official response to the General Assembly resolution—a response to be discussed and (I hope) adopted by the joint boards of our church. If you are interested in participating in this working group, please let me know. 

Third: I am going to begin (even now, from the woods of northern Minnesota) to reach out to our friends in New York’s Jewish communities. I will listen to their reactions to this resolution. I will do my best to explain the ways of Presbyterian governance. I will assure them that this resolution does not represent what the majority of American Presbyterians believe. And then, my friends, I intend to double down on dialogue between our community and Jewish religious communities in New York City. 

What can you do? I recommend that you study the documents linked above, commit to being involved in dialogue this fall, and pray. Pray for our Jewish neighbors who are confused and hurt by this action. Pray for all who are caught in the tendrils of this long-standing and ever-evolving conflict. Pray for those with no power. Pray for those with great power. Pray that all concerned might conform their actions to the will of God. And finally, please pray for this congregation, its elected leaders and its pastors. Pray that we will follow the way of Jesus Christ in responding to this conflict with intelligence, humility and tangible compassion. 

I look forward to seeing you and to further conversations about all of this on my return. Until then, I think I hear the white-throated sparrow singing. 

With gratitude for your faithfulness,
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Scott Black Johnston
Senior Pastor”

Valerie Curren

Are you referring to the Q-Tree as “this church”…for in many ways it seems that way to me, especially after visiting two other churches Sunday!

TradeBait2

HUGE point, Valerie. 👍

We believers are the church universal. Jesus gave the command to His disciples to go and make more disciples throughout the earth. Bring the love of Christ and His redeeming sacrifice to the world to all peoples of the earth.

“Go” means many more things as time has gone on. Nearly all theologians, evangelists and pastors use electronic means to spread the message to the world. The Word spreads, the believers in the local areas take it from there to minister to those who hear or see the message and believe or want to know more.

Which means many on here are waging war with sin and evil in an effort to do our parts to bring God’s kingdom to the lost and to strengthen and intercede for the believers. Many are shining lights on darkness and evil on The Q Tree.

What is being done here has an eternal impact IMO.

Valerie Curren

Amen & Amen TB!!! Well & wonderfully said. A church I used to attend had a newsletter called “Voice of the Armory”, which is good description of much of what happens here on the Q-Tree. In so many ways we are on the frontlines for Truth, Life, Freedom, & the Kingdom of God! Shining Light into darkness & overcoming it in the Name of the Lord!!!

WSB

VERY large Presbyterian church.

Valerie Curren

Definitely a lemonade from lemons perspective that I really hadn’t considered before 🙂

kalbokalbs

NOT much there, there, in this article.

But, Mush-Mind BiteMe took Sunday off. As well as today, off. Hoe did some NAACP event in BiteMe’s place today.

On a good day, BiteMe IS pathetic.

GWP

Kamala Harris Takes Charge While Feeble Joe Biden Hides at White House
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/kamala-harris-takes-charge-feeble-joe-biden-hides-white-house/

kalbokalbs

GWP

Peter Doocy Torches Karine Jean-Pierre Over Joe Biden’s Disastrous Trip to Saudi Arabia (VIDEO)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/peter-doocy-torches-karine-jean-pierre-joe-bidens-disastrous-trip-saudi-arabia-video/

phoenixrising

So, what was the point of this trip?”

Israelis told Biden to take a message to the Saudis …. “bagman” – “errand boy” …

That’s Joe … what he’s done for 49 years …

TheseTruths

She must dread facing Doocy every day. 😟

kalbokalbs

Rather sure she does.

Would be great if all the WH presstitutes would ask pointed, probing questions.

wowohwow1528

Good .. keep turning UP the heat Doocy .. 😎👍‼️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸‼️ ..