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For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19/China Virus threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to post your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations within these Daily Threads. Additionally, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUJIa-CLlXA
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
Too early for jokes? Of course, we are sensitive to the current global pandemic, and pray for recovery of those who are stricken, as well as the healthcare professionals working on their behalf. We’re talking ’bout the hysteria, here.
Yet, let’s talk about the unreasonable demand for “testing” of the entire population, immediately, and the overwhelming strain such a demand placed on our system. What was mass testing supposed to accomplish? Did we really need it or was it an unrealistic demand artificially created by the media to instill panic, create a run on toilet paper and foodstuffs, and designed to move forward the political goalposts by implying: “No immediate tests for 350 million people = Orange Man Bad.
It’s been my issue with testing all along. If there are only a few cases in a region, testing would reveal chains of possible transmission and be beneficial…. like we did with Ebola. Yet, if thousands of cases exist within a region, no country has the bureaucracy to devote to tracking individual spider-webs of transmissions, and testing becomes a waste of resources. Can we imagine the government trying to test and trace H1N1 infections when 50-60% of our population exhibits antibodies a decade later?
And, as Alison points out, testing begets proximity to those who are potentially infected and wastes protective gear, which are already in short supply for our healthcare workers.
Yet, still…… the media is focused on the NUMBER of tests, if the Trump Admin has conducted more/less than other countries. “Is the Trump Admin delivering what was promised to the people” was a source of contention in the presser yesterday, because the Trump Admin promised 1.4 million ….. only to learn more than 10 million tests have been delivered. It’s a media narrative, which fits into a predetermined journalists’ “recipe du jour” for a political story about how the Trump Admin is “bad”. Yet a story about the creation of a new tests, more labs, shortening the testing time to 45 minutes, gets hardly any press at all.
The media slept through the story of Wuhan during December/January because they were fixated on impeachment. Yet, by late February, the media was fairly successful with the idea of mass population testing, creating concern in the urban centers of the northeast/west coast, who are less self-reliant, more demanding of government solutions to individual problems, and those who exhibit hyper-sensitivity….. to…… anything.
But it made no sense given current situation. Testing begets more testing and would never be finished in a pandemic. There would be an infinite number of tests. Follow the logic of a typical urban dweller Dem:
Tested negative Monday, but I want to be tested again tomorrow after going to the grocery store…. cuz….. so many people were there.
Tested negative on Tuesday, but I want to be tested again tomorrow….. cuz Andre the mailman got a little too close to me.
Test negative on Wednesday, but I want to be tested again tomorrow, cuz my throat “feels funny”…… and I know elective surgeries are being cancelled….. but I am selfish…… and what if there is something else wrong with my throat?
Tested negative on Thursday, I want to be tested again tomorrow, because I received a box from Amazon…… and CNN/FOX told me the virus lives on cardboard for 24hours…… and I saw a story on social media where an Amazon worker tested positive…….. so, I might die from the transmission.
Tested negative on Friday, but I want to be tested again cuz……… I have a dog…… and who knows where the dog has been……. and MSNBC told me the virus could be transferred in a dog’s fur.
Tested negative on Saturday, but I want to be tested again on Sunday, because I can’t go to my veterinarian to pick up the organic-gluten-free-hypo-allergenic dog food for my gender-neutral dog….. so, I had to order it from Amazon…… and now I have another dreaded cardboard box to deal with……. which might kill me.
Tested negative on Sunday, but I want to be tested again on Monday morning because I heard the government might shut down my state…… so, I have no way to escape my state….. so, I went to the gas station and filled up the tank……. and there were so many people there……. and their breath might contain the virus…… and I could die……..
On Monday, I got a phone call from an old college girlfriend I haven’t seen in years, who knows someone, who read on social media, that their mom’s friend, in another state, MIGHT have the virus and is being tested. Surely, on Monday I would need to be tested again……. cuz……… I know someone who might have transmitted the virus…… That’s pretty close to me, right?
Tested negative on Tuesday, but I want to be tested again, cuz my friends “who are experts” and the Washington Post tells me my President is lying, and I’m suspicious of all doctors, nurses, and local officials. I need to be reassured.
Tested negative on Wednesday but call my doctor anyway because I think I have kidney failure. I attempt to convince my doctor all my lower back pain could not possible be muscle strain from rearranging the pantry to accommodate all the toilet paper I purchased. Doc tests me for COVID anyway…….. cuz the Feds/US Taxpayers are paying for the tests, and there are 10 million of them available.
Tested negative on Thursday, but I want to be tested again, cuz I miss the folks at the testing station……. it’s my only social interaction…….. and it might be cool to post the selfies on social media…….. yeah, I’ll get a lot of likes for that one. BUT, there were so many people there…..
So, I need to be tested again.
And again.
And again.
Cuz, I am important and incapable of cooperation during a national emergency.
Can’t you see my problem? Feel sorry for me at the victim I have become…. Woe is me.
I can’t go to the gym, or work, or see my friends,………. so I’m bored, and depend on outside stimulation because I am unable to sit quietly and entertain myself………. and I have all this food which I hoarded…………. so, all I want to do is eat pie……. so, I’m going to get fat…… and I can’t afford a Pelaton……. cuz I no longer have a job.
Therefore, all my problems are Trump’s fault.
Whew, I feel better now. Yeah, like I’ve always said, all my problems come back to Trump. I don’t know anything about propaganda. CNN is the most trusted news source in the world.
For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19 threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to include your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations on these COVID Daily Threads. Additionally, within these Daily Threads, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HotAd5fC8U
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the path of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he meditates day and night. (Psalm 1:1-2)
This Superlative Sanctuary Sunday Open Thread, with full respect to those who worship God on the Sabbath, is a place to reaffirm our worship of our Creator, our Father, our King Eternal.
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AND WHAT TIME IS IT? TIME TO DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!
Our movement is about replacing a failed and CORRUPT political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. Candidate Donald J. Trump
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No food fights.
No running with scissors.
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On this day and every day –
God is in Control . . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . . Keep Looking Up
Hopefully, every Sunday, you can find something here that will build you up a little . . . give you a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.
“This day is holy to the Lord your God; do not mourn nor weep.” . . . “Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet, and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not sorrow, for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”
His Way
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.
My Way Or God’s Way? (Genesis 27:1-46)
Frank Sinatra’s well-known song, “I Did It My Way,” was shocking for its blatant ungodliness. Of course what Sinatra stated plainly in that song, “I did it my way,” is true of every person who does not submit his life to Jesus Christ. Most people just aren’t as open as Sinatra in stating the controlling force of their lives.
In Genesis 27, four people illustrate Sinatra’s song. Isaac does things his way by trying to bestow the family blessing on Esau, in opposition to God’s revealed will. Esau tries to take back what he had already sold to his brother Jacob. When he is foiled, he plans to kill his brother. Rebekah deceives her aging husband into giving the blessing to her favorite son, Jacob. And Jacob lies to his father and outsmarts his brother. I think that what you have here are four self-centered people seeking their own advantage. They all did it their way, not God’s way. In the end they all came up empty and paid a high price for their selfishness.
Every person must have as a theme song in life either “I Did It My Way” or “I Did It God’s Way.” You would think that the lines would be clearly drawn: Every person outside of Christ would sing, “I Did It My Way”; every Christian would sing, “I Did It God’s Way.” But I find that many who profess to believe in Christ are really just living for themselves, often using God as the means to self-fulfillment. But the genuine Christian life is a matter of God’s confronting our self-centeredness and enthroning Christ as Lord in our hearts.
When we seek our own way, we never get what we want and we pay a high price:
(1) If we sow to the flesh, we’ll reap from the flesh. The law of sowing and reaping is as true for God’s people as it is for unbelievers. If you live for the pleasures of the flesh, you will reap from the flesh corruption (Gal. 6:7-8). If you live for the things of this world, you may get them, but you’ll be poor before God.
Some may protest: “But we’re under grace, not law!” But remember, Paul warned about sowing and reaping in the very letter where he strongly argues for the grace of God – Galatians. You can’t plant spinach and harvest sweet corn. While sin may taste sweet in your mouth, it will be bitter in your stomach and you’ll wish you had never tasted it! That’s true for believers under grace.
(2) You can’t thwart the ultimate purpose of God, so why not work with Him, not against Him? It is utter futility to fight God. It may seem as if you’re going to be able to get away with your plan. But “He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord scoffs at them” (Ps. 2:4). Man’s sin can never thwart God’s purpose. It may appear that things are not under God’s control and that the forces of evil are going to turn world history to their own ends. It’s only an illusion. Even the wrath of man will bring ultimate praise to God (Ps. 76:10). God, not man, determines history. You can either smash yourself to bits trying to fight against God or you can submit to His purpose. As the apostle Paul and millions of others can tell you, life is a lot more pleasant when you don’t kick against the goads.
(3) Godly ends do not justify wrong means. Was it God’s will to give the blessing to Jacob? Yes! Was it right for Rebekah and Jacob to gain the blessing through deception? No! Methods do matter! Wrong methods don’t become right just because they work, even when they help accomplish God’s purpose. We live in a pragmatic culture, and many Christians have bought into any method that works. Just because a marketing scheme brings people into the church does not make it right. God’s work must be done in His way.
(4) The way to find your life is to lose it for Christ’s sake. Hebrews 11:20 states: “By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau, even regarding things to come.” How can that be, when it seems that he was acting in the flesh? The answer is in Genesis 27:33, where a trembling Isaac realizes that he has really blessed Jacob, not Esau, as he intended. He admits, “Yes, and he shall be blessed.” At that point Isaac realized that he and Esau had been fighting against God and they had lost.
Many Christian counselors are telling hurting people, “Assert yourself! Stand up for your rights! Don’t be codependent! You’ve got a right to some happiness in life, so go for it!” But God’s Word is clear: If you seek your own way, you won’t get what you want and you’ll pay a high price in family conflict. If you’ll die to your way and seek God’s way, He will give you the desires of your heart. You’ve got to decide which will be your theme song: “I did it my way,” or, “I did it God’s way?”
Paraphrased and excerpted from: *https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-52-my-way-or-god-s-way-genesis-271-46
I Did It His Way
Yes, all the times, I’m sure You knew When I bit off more than I could chew But through it all when there was doubt Down on my knees, I would call out You faced it all And stood me tall I did it Your way Oh no, oh no, not me I did it Your way
For what is a man, what has he got? He’s full of sin and he has naught I say the things I truly feel Respectful words of one who kneels The record shows You took the blows I did it Your way
Yes, it was Your way
All In His Hands
Men are weak in this life, lacking strength. We must lean on the LORD’s strong right arm. He, all-knowing, will work things for good And, best of all, keep our soul from harm.
Trust in His timing. Wait for the LORD. Though man’s troubles lie heavy on him, There’s times and ways for everything, Even when the days seem dark and grim.
Read His Word. Count on His promises, Everything He said will come true. He’ll deliver you from all your fears, And give His joy and His peace to you.
Wait for His answers, He’ll give you strength, All you who put your hope in the LORD. You’ll mount up with wings like eagles, And run, not tiring, your strength restored.
Believe in all His miracles, Everything is possible with Him. For though a loss is certain with man, With God it will become a big win.
Rejoice in His goodness all the day, Proclaiming His love in the morning. Pray with songs and Psalms through the day, Recall His faithfulness in the evening.
Relax in His presence, be still and know, Though outside it rages with storm. Within your heart you know He is Lord, And He holds you in peace, safe and warm.
Hear His call and come near to God, Come near and He will come near to you. Whatever besets you in this life, He holds your hand and will see you through.
Seek His Face
The days drag on, trudge slowly past; The night brings sleep, restless and light. The new day, yet still hours away, Awake, but not. Nothing feels right.
A darkness is here, all around, A world turned sour, a bitter taste. Menace and malice rule the day; What goodness remains, turned to waste.
These feelings belie Christian hope. Thoughts stray away from promised goals That God has given us to see As the journey’s end for our souls.
Our fallen, broken world reveals Not the forest, but trees, diseased, Though we see a much different sight, When we look upward from our knees.
We seek God for worship and praise, And catch small glimpses of His face. He knows our needs better than we, And fills us with his mercy and grace.
We’re on earth but for a short while, And see through a glass, dark and dim. From those things we see and endure, We learn and grow to be like Him.
As we look toward our journey’s end, We see the forest, not the trees; The dwelling place Christ has prepared, Full of wonders we can’t conceive.
Remember now, we’re on this earth, Living but for a flash in time, Yearning to hear in eternity “Welcome, beloved, children of mine.”
We’ll persevere; we’ll keep the faith; We’ll run the race, and win the prize. We’ll be with God for eternity, And see Christ’s face before our eyes.
This will be a layman’s explanation. We all have questions, but we need to understand the answers. Know this, amidst all the chaos of this week, something amazing happened in a laboratory in France…..and… a hospital in New York. Yet, the media is mad as hell about it.
Grab a cup of coffee and let’s run through the particulars. First, we have to pierce the veil of the media narrative.
Beginning two days ago, the President began talking about promising results from studies on the drug Chloroquine, and the generic HydroxyChloroquine, when taken with a Azithromycin (which is a Z-Pack). Immediately, the FDA Commissioner, Stephen Hahn, came out to poo-poo the study and assert his bureaucratic control. In perfect lockstep, MSNBC and CNN accused the President of selling false hope to the American people. The separation between what the MEDIA claimed the President said, and what the FDA Commissioner said, is the source of contention, and where the panic-driven media have staked their claim of “the President is not compassionate”. Yes, it was the source of the argument between Peter Alexander of MSNBC and the President during the WH presser on Friday, March 20, 2020.
Stephen Hahn, the FDA Director is a bureaucrat, and this might be the source of the problem. We shall refer to this Rollcall article here: https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/19/fda-walks-back-trump-claims-on-covid-19-drugs/ Follow the typical hyper-partisan verbiage of the text, and the LACK of reporting of the other side of the story from the Trump Administration:
…..it is unclear what policy changes are being pursued outside of the agency’s existing procedures. (The media does not understand Trump Time and does not understand the President of the USA does not require permission from the media to act during an emergency )
FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn said the agency hoped that drugs already approved for other uses might be safe and effective in treating the novel coronavirus, and he encouraged doctors to consider the FDA’s “compassionate use” process to treat patients with experimental products. (President Trump compared “compassionate use” to “Right to Try” to explain it to the public, but Hahn didn’t like the comparison, thus the media assumed the President was ignorant.) Hahn hung his hat on the technical: The key difference between “Right to Try” and FDA’s compassionate use is that doctors, patients and drug companies that participate don’t need to get the FDA to approve the individual course of treatment. (In other words, in one situation Hahn’s FDA would be involved and in another case the FDA would not be involved…… again it’s all about Hahn and makes no difference to the public)
“The FDA didn’t reply to questions about Trump’s comments that potential treatments would be made available “almost immediately” or how data collected in foreign countries might inform the FDA’s decisions.” (Thus the MSM took this as a cue to dismiss the French study, the entire article barely mentions it)(We learned later, from congressman Mark Green, who is a former Army Flight Surgeon, and been briefed in a classified setting on Coronavirus, the medications will be given to those infected in the USA and data collected for further study, according to his interview linked below).
Trump gave an optimistic timeline for … remdesivir, an experimental HIV and antiviral drug that has not yet been approved by the FDA, and hydroxychloroquine, a drug approved to treat malaria and arthritis. Here are Trump’s exact words: “Clinical trials are already underway for many new therapies, and we are working on scaling these to allow many more Americans to access different drugs that have shown good progress,” Trump said.
But Hahn suggested that both products would only be available through some of the FDA’s current protocols until they were formally approved. (In other words, I am the bureaucrat in charge of the process and I own the process). Yes, Hydroxychloroquine is approved in the USA but not for this new disease. Hahn ….hoped clinical trials would be pursued to find out if hydroxychloroquine is effective. (Which does NOT necessarily mean he is ignoring the foreign data) In fact, from Hahn, buried later in the article: “If treatments that are known to be safe in Europe, Japan or other nations are effective against the virus, we’ll use that information to protect the health and safety of the American people,” he said.
Hahn talked about convalescing plasma (taking samples from those recovered to help those afflicted) and …. hoped these tools might provide relief for COVID-19 patients and provide a bridge for three to six months before anything is officially approved.(Again, Hahn exercising his bureaucratic control over the process and running up against a President who works in “Trump Time”.)
Trump said hydroxychloroquine “has shown very encouraging early results” in treating COVID-19 and that his administration would “make that drug available almost immediately.” Trump also talked to the Governors about the drug on Wednesday night. Yet Hahn wouldn’t commit to any timing for when hydroxychloroquine would be approved for treating COVID-19 or made available for that purpose. He said he wanted a clinical trial, which typically takes years. Yet, from Laura Ingraham, we see: Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using Hydroxychloroquine with very promising results. One patient was described as “Lazarus” who was seriously ill from Covid-19, already released.
From FDA Commisioner Hahn again: “We want to be sure this is done well and right ….” Hahn said. Because it’s a drug that has been around for a long time, he said, “We do have a lot of information about the side effects of the drug, …helps in terms of expediting it.” But while he said that “we are working as quickly as we can,” he wouldn’t speculate on a timeline. (Um, we’re already using it in the USA, we’re not waiting on Hahn)
Hyper-Partisan again: Some of the president’s critics said the remarks were confusing and betrayed a lack of knowledge about how medicines come to market. “At the White House press conference today, President Donald Trump continued to spew misleading, overly optimistic and often incoherent statements about potential treatments for the coronavirus that may be on the horizon,” Michael Carome, health research group director at the liberal consumer advocacy group Public Citizen,….. (So glad to have the opinion of a hack – Can we imagine by this time, given a global pandemic and the pressure of an economic disaster, the President understands the process entirely?) Plus…… (Later we learned, Dr Rigano, co-author of the French study claims President Trump “has slashed more red tape at the FDA than any other President in history” – repudiating, with first hand knowledge, the claims of the President’s critics)
Therefore, we can see the media attempts to tear apart the President’s efforts, paint the Trump Admin as inept, and question his personal intelligence and judgement. It’s a political effort…. during a global pandemic, and intentionally misleads the public.
So………… what is the real story about a possible prophylactic or therapeutic or cure for the virus plaguing the world? Well, once the media/bureaucrats are out of the way, it looks good. Very good.
I am co-author of the original paper.
Was just on television discussing HCQ, first well controlled study against COVID-19.
600 mg HCQ per day after 6 days, 90% of patients tested COVID-19 negative. 96% of control group tested positive after 6 days.
We heard about the study in France, with 40/40 positive results: Dr. Gregory Rigano, Advisor to Stanford Medial School and co-author of the study. “Well controlled, peer-reviewed study” (Dr Fauchi claimed from the podium today this was NOT a peer-reviewed study and the media seized on this point) carried out by eminent infectious disease control expert, Dr. Didier Raoult, MD, PhD, Southern France, in which he enrolled 40 patients with a 100% recovery rate. Rigano’s interview with Tucker Carlson: WATCH THIS (2 minutes)
Here is the French Study from co-author Dr Gregory Rigano. Chloroquine. https://t.co/72dSU2J4DH
Need more details? In the interview, Rigano gave a link to his twitter feed @riganoesq or his new website covidtrial.io and here it is https://www.covidtrial.io/
Link to the actual study includes an interview with Dr. Raoult found below. (7 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydcrROJFEU0
Study was immediately accepted to International Journal of Microbial Agents by Elsevier Pharma. A cure rate of 40/40 is a 1/10,000 chance and VERY promising, statistically impossible to ignore. To put it in context: A virus is said to be incurable (which is why anti-virals are so common and effective). First company to cure a virus was Gilead (which is currently in third stage trials with Remdesivir, confirmed by FDA Commissioner Hahn) when they cured Hep C. This is the second EVER possible cure for a virus.
This kind of news should be shouted from rooftops and ring across the world. Do we have any MORE proof? Well, yes, we do.
We heard the cocktail of Chloroquine + ZPack has also been tested in Aussie and China from various sources on-line and a US Congressman. So, we started looking for the actual sources and found the China study, but still looking for the Australian results (will update when we locate). Found another from Canada. The key is in the ability to shed the virus. https://twitter.com/MatthewEGunter/status/1240971280008073216
From China:Results are definitive.
“The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.”
Booooommmmm! China is officially using Chloroquine as an effective treatment for COVID-19.
Abstract: The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.
Conclusion: Chloroquine, a relatively safe, effective and cheap drug used for treating many human diseases including malaria, amoebiosis and human immunodeficiency virus is effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. The fact that the drug has significant inhibitory antiviral effect when the susceptible cells were treated either prior to or after infection suggests a possible prophylactic and therapeutic use.
100% of virus gone in 6 days, sometimes 3 days. Studied against a control group. The cocktail together works but small studies. Drugs are already being prescribed in USA. Data will be collected from those given to those who are currently sick. Chloroquine is currently open and able to be prescribed right now, no restrictions, and Zpacks are readily available, according to Congressman Mark Green, former Army Flight Surgeon.
Rep. Mark Green, a former Army Flight Surgeon, that the combination of Chloroquine with Azithromycin cleared the virus in 3 days in 100% of the patients in the study.
THREE international studies now that show the success of the Chloroquine treatment.https://t.co/VubN28RTSi
We know Hydroxychloroquine is a generic, “been on the market for over 50yrs, with a quality safety profile” according to Dr. Rigano and backed up by FDA Hahn above. AND………. we’re already using it.
And another 3 million tablets from Bayer in Germany. “Resochin, made of chloroquine phosphate and an approved treatment for malaria, is being evaluated in China for its potential use against COVID-19, the disease caused by the fast-spreading coronavirus.” ” Bayer said the drug is currently not approved for use in the United States and the company is working with appropriate agencies on an emergency use authorization for its use in the United States.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-bayer-idUSKBN21637E
Then, this announcement came in from Novartis and everyone took notice: 130 million doses!
Today we announced a commitment to donate up to 130 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to support the global #COVID19 pandemic response. 1/5
When all else fails, use common sense. Notice the patterns and slice through the double-speak of medically-specific definitions. Here is a good explanation – 6 minutes.
We know Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine are malaria drugs. With 3 million Chloroquine tablets coming to the USA from Germany, 6 million Hydroxychloroquine tablets coming from Israel, 130 million donated from Novartis for worldwide use, …. Does anyone really think we are expecting a malaria outbreak in the USA? And would the President of the USA request such an emergency shipment, work 24/7 to gather that much material across the globe, for a potential malaria outbreak, when people are dying from COVID-19?
No, of course not.
All actions indicate the President and his team are trying to stop Americans (and the rest of the world) from dying and pulling every trigger they can find, slashing bureaucratic red tape, to do so. They need to get the media out of the way or the media needs to communicate clearly with the public….. and we sure as heck need to get the bureaucrats up to speed.
Fauchi, from the podium on March 20th, tried to explain to the media, paraphrasing, “We’re trying to make these medications available to the American people, while collecting information for the protocols required/desired by FDA”….. which would be the results of Chloroquine+ZPacks…… given to American patients….. which is already happening. I believe the Univ of Michigan will assemble results of 1500 patients for further analysis, but do not have a hard source. Most of us understand what Fauchi is trying to do here, but the media ignored it, focusing on the argument between Peter Alexander and the President, which was, in context, centered on this very issue….. and the media carried the headline of a US President which did not care about the people into the weekend.
In fact, if this works, we could be going back to work fairly quickly. Dr. OZ, familiar to most Americans, was ecstatic by these studies on Friday, March 20th. By Saturday March 21st, 8:15am Eastern, FOX and Friends, Dr. Chris Martenson, toxicologist, also explained results in these small studies, “Most promising thing we’ve seen thus far” and “pretty dramatic results”. And Dr. Martenson clearly explained what the President, Dr. Fauchi, and FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn should have stated in a more clear way, “We’re going to be holding live trials”. In other words, we will closely monitor patients who receive these medications, but the USA is not waiting around.
It is as though the left would rather NOT have a “cure” or a “therapeutic” for the virus if Trump succeeds. The MSM media blue-check marks were furious and dismissive. The twitter mob was angry today about good news, and threw insults with ZERO knowledge about the study from France, Australia, or China. Sad.
For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19 threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to include your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations on these COVID Daily Threads. Additionally, within these Daily Threads, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
Welcome to Friday’s OPEN THREAD at the QTree! It’s the weekend and time to crack open a beer and put some steaks on the grill, if and only if you can get to a grocery store! Thank you for the Thursday hand-off TrumpIsMine. Thank you to Wolfie for keeping us all organized, up and running. What would we do without FLEP’s News Roundup to keep up? Thank you, Flep. Hat tip and a hearty thank you to Wheatie, Dep, BakoCarl, Michael, Steve in Colorado, all contributors and the lurkers!
We don’t believe in political correctness at QTree. Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it. This board will remain a REFUGE for those who need civility, either some or all of the time. Important Guidelines are outlined here in the January 1st open thread, with an addendum on 20191110. In other words, please keep it SOMEWHAT civil. We have a new board – actually a new SITE – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.
What a week this has been. It’s one to tell your grandchildren. It’s amazing how clear everything has become. Past betrayal by Wall St., political leaders and their lobbyists led to the hollowing of America. Then, …….. came the opioids. We were down on the mat, beaten and abused, almost dead, ….. when this guy decided to run for President of the United States. Our ears perked up, and with what could have been America’s last breath………. we arose and decided to fight once more.
And we won. Everyone else was shocked, gobsmacked, that we won. We weren’t surprised at all. We knew what was happening in China, at the southern border, the “new normal” which made no sense, and the complete repudiation of “blind justice”. It was time to right the ship. The press was very upset. We challenged their authority. The agencies were mad, they thought they were “elite”, while we saw them as fat and overpaid bureaucrats. The establishment of both parties was furious, they assumed we would listen and blindly follow.
Do you remember the Obama years? When you thought you were the ONLY one who felt like something was wrong? Then suddenly, there were millions of Americans who felt the same way?
Our spirit wasn’t dead and gone. We just forgot who we were for a little while. We’re Americans. If something is broken, we fix it. But wow, we had no idea how much was broken in the USA.
We had to fight our own agencies who worked against the American people. We had to fight against our own press. We had to fight bad guys. And the really bad guys, the kind who stab you in the back but smile to your face. Members of Congress and farmers from across the country rally for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) on the National Mall in Washington on Sept. 12, 2019. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times) We had to protect our own. And speak up for our police and military members.
The more we fixed, the more problems we found, but we grew stronger.
And we grew bigger.
America kept winning with this guy.
And then, the real spirit of America, with Trump’s strong leadership, spread all over the world. He inspired BILLIONS of people to take back their countries, question their leaders, and demand more.
To Hong KongTo the UK and citizens sick and tired of the EU.To the election of Bolsonaro in Brazil.We still have to fix CanadaBut Scott Morrison in Australia is a good guy.And we’re working on Argentina! Washington : Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi hugs President Donald Trump as Modi departs the White House, Monday, June 26, 2017, in Washington. AP/PTI(AP6_27_2017_000035B) To India……..
Trumpzilla, more precisely, the spirit of people who long to live free, with competent leadership, was growing all over the world.
The Italians love President Trump and Salvini. Time to help out Italy with better leadership.
Our economy, our oil dominance, our unemployment numbers, trade policy, more opportunity for minorities, the return to manufacturing,…… America was firing on all cylinders…….even as the left ran an Impeachment sham, and the media+DOJ/FBI lied to the world about Russia . Every day was Christmas with our guy.
Until a little virus from China showed up, and threatened to bring darkness to the world.
Our stock market lost 1/3 of value in about 3 weeks. At Q Tree, we knew it was coming. We were miles ahead of the MSM….. cuz they were occupied with SHAMMPEACHMENT. Millions of people will be laid off, businesses destroyed, and now, an attack from Saudi and the Russians on our oil sector. We’re told to stay at home to save our very lives. Okay, fine. We’re going to do what is necessary………. but so help me GOD, the other side of this looks very different for the politicians who put us here. Trump was right about China. Politicians and Wall St took a cheap price from China, but the COST was too much.
Can you imagine America staying at home, locked away for 3 months? Not sure if we would make it three weeks. People are starting to question their leaders about an over-reaction and keeping a “shelter-in-place” order will get dicey, especially when tyrannical leftist mayors and governors use the Virus as an excuse to release prisoners or establish a ban on guns.
But……… does anyone think we won’t come out of this? And seek retribution for our temporary imprisonment? Nah, I’m a believer.
And if EVER there was a guy to lead the world out of darkness, death, grave threats, and give the power back to the people, it’s this guy………
No doubts, not even a smidgen. Understand, if the governments of the world are able to portray themselves as the saviors of the people, we lose it all. We go back, to the idiots in power. We cannot waiver at this time. Our storm is here.
We’re holding fast. We’ll never give up. Too late to put the genie back in the bottle. So, say a little prayer, we’re going to need all the help we can get.
Remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone
Set your jaw, be determined. We have a fight on our hands. We’ll meet at Wheatie’s treehouse in the morning.
For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19 threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to include your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations on these COVID Daily Threads. Additionally, within these Daily Threads, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
One of the things we can say about most of us in the Western World is that we are seldom, if ever, truly satisfied. We always seem to want more. We want things to be better. We are always seeking the new, the different, the more desirable. Often, we confuse wants with needs – and spend money on the wrong things.
When things don’t go our way, we begin to complain. We complain to friends, to those who are close to us – and, often, we even complain to God!
However, in all of our wanting and complaining, we usually forget how fortunate we are in so many ways. There are always others who have much less than we have – others who are far worse off than ourselves, whether physically, emotionally, or economically. We also forget the many blessings that we, sadly, take for granted!
So, how do we extricate ourselves from this downward spiral of negativity? How do we become grateful – and more accepting of our lot in life or of our particular place in the world today? Fortunately, the scriptures for this Sunday give us a great deal of direction in this regard.
When the Chosen People, in the desert, grumbled and complained against Moses, they were really angry with God. Although they were believers, they really had no personal relationship with God. They were seriously lacking in faith and trust. They did not truly know God at all in any personal way. They were too absorbed in their daily lives and with the challenges of living to pay much attention to God.
They had forgotten all the blessings that were theirs – all that God had done for them – Deliverance from slavery in Egypt – Salvation from Pharaoh’s army – The Manna, the quail, the preservation in the desert! Consequently, when faced with a new hardship, they grumbled and complained – instead of trusting in God and offering prayers based on faith and trust!
In the Gospel selection, the Samaritan woman came to the well in the heat of the day, when no one, usually, was around because she was ashamed of who and what she had become. No doubt, she couldn’t believe her ears when Jesus asked her for a drink. However, she must have kept her relationship with God alive, despite her sinful situation. Although she resisted Jesus at first, she, gradually, opened herself to all that he had to say.
Jesus had a spiritual, life-giving water! This water would completely transform the hearts and souls of anyone who entered into a relationship with him. What Jesus had to share was grace – freedom and deliverance from all the wants and desires that distract us from who we really are and what God wants each of us to become. Jesus offers a new way of living here in this life. This new way leads to an eternal life with him and with the Godhead after this life is over!
As Jesus reached out to the Samaritans, so, too, does he reach out to us. He wants a relationship with each of us despite all of our mistakes, failings, and sins. He asks us to trust in him and in God’s unfolding plan for us.
This is the reason St. Paul writes that we can have peace with God through all that Jesus has done for us. We even have God’s love poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us!
So, Brothers and Sisters, far from complaining, we should look deeper into our hearts and lives to discover, once again, all that God has done and continues to do for us. It doesn’t matter if our wants go unfulfilled – It doesn’t matter that we suffer because of others and because of the hardships of life. It doesn’t matter that our life here ends in death! What really matters is our faith and trust in God’s ultimate plan for us. What really matters is that we grow in faith – in our relationship with God through Jesus. What really matters is that we remain faithful to God even in our darkest hours and when others no longer hope!
So, let us praise God and give thanks to Him who has done so much for us and given us salvation in and through His Son, Jesus!
Amen.
March 15, 2020 Msgr. Russell G. Terra Saint Joseph Roman Catholic Church, Redding, CA *http://www.stjosephredding.org/parish-homilies.html
For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19 threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to include your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations on these COVID Daily Threads. Additionally, within these Daily Threads, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
In our past weekly threads, we assembled information on the following:
Primary update links. The dashboard from Johns Hopkins which counts “official” cases all over the world, the CDC, and WHO, and includes the links for our past threads.
Hard Data Medical Information- Explanation about testing, reliance on China for drugs, analysis of NE Journal of Medicine results and other published papers.
Vaccine and theraputics (new/old drugs to alleviate symptoms) news and updates
Trump Administration response (the timeline and links to various agencies)
China Responses, timelines, research, attempt to cover actions, or secrecy in results discovered.
An aggregate of info/responses from other countries, listed by country.
Economic impact from around the world. A change in economic activity will indicate a “return to normal”.
Speculation/debunking on how the virus started
Media Bias, political response, and debunking section, like the article from AP News, overt bias from Politico, inflammatory headlines, etc.
Other medical info to boost immune system, herbal remedies, ways to keep your house clean and NOT spread the virus to others. Excellent information to incorporate into daily lifestyle.
Hard links for OTHER valuable sources/blogs and a brief sentence or two about what they provide
Other news items
Our weekly updates. timelines, collection of valuable information, can be found here:
Please try to keep your sense of humor during this National Emergency, and remember, patience is a virtue.
Love to all!
Happy St. Patrick’s Day!
Follow the link below to stay up to date on the latest #COVID19 information for all Naval Forces personnel in #Europe and #Africa. – Self-Declaration form – Recent AtHoc messaging – What is open/closed on each base – Travel restriction resource ➡️ https://t.co/Gdr3baI77tpic.twitter.com/CA2kCGXc0Z
— U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet (@USNavyEurope) March 17, 2020
Embassy and Consulates official advisory.
Updated COVID-19 travel information is now available on the Embassy’s website at https://t.co/F4nuRRd3yD.
While San Francisco Mayor has issued an order for everyone to “shelter in place”, the rumor went out that De Blasio of NY was considering the same action. NYGovernor Cuomo stepped in to say “NO, not in favor of a shelter in place order”. Go out to the parks.
