A Time for Discipline

 


Today there is a planned confrontation (street brawl?) in Portland.


Oath Keepers have made a statement.

This is a time for discipline.



 August 15, 2019

Public Notice:  Oath Keepers Will NOT be Participating in the August 17, 2019 “End Domestic Terrorism” Rally in Portland, OR

by Stewart Rhodes

I wish I didn’t have to do this, but it must be done. I must make it clear that Oath Keepers will not be participating in the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally scheduled for this Saturday, August 17, 2019, which is being organized by Joe Biggs and the Proud Boys.
I must also make it clear that Oath Keepers is NOT an organizer of this event, as has been erroneously reported by some media outlets. This event is being organized by Joe Biggs and the Proud Boys, not Oath Keepers. Oath Keepers was invited to attend, but we will not be attending.
We fully support free speech, and we fully agree that Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization that uses force and the threatened use of force to intimidate, silence, and suppress the free speech of Americans.   However, we cannot participate in this event for the following reasons:
A.   We have not seen adequate steps taken by the organizers to exclude known or suspected white nationalists from attending this event.  Oath Keepers has a zero tolerance policy for white nationalism or any other ethno-nationalist ideology that discriminates along racial lines (as our bylaws make clear) and we do not, and cannot, knowingly associate with known or suspected white nationalists.
First, we consider white nationalists (along with any other ethno-nationalists) to be dangerous domestic enemies of the Constitution, every bit as deadly to our Republic as the violent communists within Antifa, because white nationalists also hold the Constitution in contempt and wish to overthrow it and replace it with their own desired totalitarian system. On that, the white nationalists and the communists are in agreement. And all of us who swore to defend the Constitution must stand against both of them as clear domestic enemies of the Constitution.
Second, we have a considerable number of active duty military and police in our membership who cannot knowingly associate with racists and we owe it to them to be diligent in avoiding participating in any event where white nationalists will not be actively,  stringently excluded.
Third, the left in this nation is desperate to paint all conservatives and, especially, all Trump supporters as “white nationalists” to the point of absurdity. Allowing any actual white nationalists into an event where attendees are encouraged to bring Trump flags as well as American flags would be a grave mistake and does no favors to either President Trump or to the broader conservative cause. Conservatives, libertarians, and Trump supporters must be diligent about making sure the events they organize exclude white nationalists who want the same thing the left wants – to paint the false impression that we agree with their racist, collectivist, anti-constitution agenda (which is exactly why CNN loves to give airtime to the white nationalist troll Richard Spencer, as he desperately tries to tie his Neo-Nazi agenda to Trump).
I want to stress that we at Oath Keepers DO NOT believe that Joe Biggs or Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio, the two organizers of this event, are white nationalists. Nor do we believe that the great majority of those groups and individuals who plan on attending the event are white nationalists.   But we do not believe the organizers are taking the steps necessary to ensure that white nationalist and suspected white nationalist groups and individuals will be excluded.
A closely related problem is that the organizers have not secured a permit for exclusive use of the Waterfront Park where they will be holding the rally this Saturday in Portland.  Yes, they still have a right to free speech, but one of the advantages of securing a permit to use a public space for a particular time is that it allows you to exclude others from using that same space at that time, such as excluding known or suspected white nationalists.
We saw the problems a lack of a permit can bring when we helped to protect a free speech event in Berkeley, CA in April, 2017. That was an un-permitted event, and because the event organizers had not secured a permit for exclusive use of the MLK park, they could not exclude the white nationalists group Identity Evropa from entering the park.   Identity Evropa promptly placed themselves and their anti-Semitic, racist signs front and center, facing off with Antifa.
I instructed those under our command in the event security element that under no circumstances were they to allow Identity Evropa to enter our security inner perimeter around the audience and the stage. I was willing to go to jail to prevent Identity Evropa from actually entering the audience for the event, but we could not kick them out of the park. And, of course, the media all focused their cameras on Identity Evropa. We were able to maintain some separation between them and the event we were securing, but it did give Identity Evropa the opportunity to attempt to co-opt the event for their own agenda.
For this event in Portland, in contrast to the April 2017 event in Berkeley, Oath Keepers is not in charge of the security element and, if we attended this Saturday, we would not be able to actively exclude suspected white nationalists as we did in Berkeley. As such, we cannot attend.
B.  Some of the past rhetoric, public statements, and memes/graphics posted online by the event organizer and by planned attendees expose those who attend the August 17 rally to possible civil and criminal law liability.  
We understand the anger and frustration among patriots after watching the footage of the violent Antifa attack on Andy Ngo on June 29, 2019 and the horrific attack on two other patriots that same day. However, angry, undisciplined public statements  that can be construed as expressing an intent to come to Portland to seek out Antifa and engage them in street fights and to assault them, and memes posted online to that effect, or worse, do a disservice to anyone who wants to attend a free speech event in protest against Antifa terrorism and against the failure of Portland officials to secure the free speech rights of Americans.
Those angry statements cannot be undone, and despite the organizers and planned attendees subsequently dialing back on the rhetoric, those prior statements are already being used against them by their political opponents and by the leftist dominated media.   All of the angry videos,Twitter posts, and incriminating photos, etc by the organizer leading up to this rally have been preserved by Antifa and their supporters. Likewise for memes/graphics posted by planned attendees depicting violence against Antifa.
Further, those prior statements, videos, photos, and memes/graphics by the event organizer and other planned attendees potentially expose all attendees to possible prosecution using both an Oregon state “rioting” statute and a federal rioting statute that was used on some of the attendees of the disastrous Charlottesville “Unite the Right” rally in August, 2017 (which Oath Keepers also did NOT attend). Even though the vast majority of the planned attendees for the Portland rally this Saturday have no intention of initiating unlawful violence against Antifa, the prior statements of the event organizer, expressing his intent, can potentially be used against all attendees.
I share the frustrations many patriots feel about the obvious double standard of Antifa having free rein in Portland while patriots are under the microscope. But I cannot and will not expose Oath Keepers members to possible persecution/prosecution because of undisciplined statements made by others, however understandable the anger that prompted the undisciplined statements. Therefore, I must urge all Oath Keepers members to stay clear of this event in Portland on August 17, 2019.
C.  More Than Ever, This is a Time for Discipline and Professionalism 
Because of their own actions, Antifa is currently on the ropes and is on the verge of being declared a domestic terrorist organization. Much has taken place since Joe Biggs first announced his intent to hold this rally.   First, on July 13, 2019, the self-identified Antifa terrorist Willem Van Spronsen used a rifle and Molotov cocktails to attack the ICE detention facility in Tacoma, WA.  Only by the grace of God was he not able to kill responding officers. Van Spronsen pointed his AR-15 at the officers, but it apparently malfunctioned, and he was shot and killed before he could fix that malfunction. He also failed in his attempt to ignite a 500 lb propane tank.  If he had been successful, it could have killed all the personnel and the detainees in the center. Thankfully he was an incompetent terrorist.
Since that attack, Antifa has lauded Van Spronsen as a martyr and an example to follow, and, in the graphics promoting their planned assault on the border in El Paso, Texas September 1-10, Antifa has openly threatened to kill CBP personnel.
And, of course, Antifa widely celebrated the July 12 illegal trespassing at the Aurora, CO ICE facility where protesters tore down the American flag, attempted to burn it, and in its place hoisted up the Mexican flagand also flew a defaced, upside down “blue lives matter” flag with “Abolish ICE” written on it in red.
And most recently, at 3am on August 13, 2019, shots were fired into the occupied ICE offices in San Antonio, Texas.
A maxim of warfare, expressed by Napoleon Bonaparte, is to “never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Patriots, conservatives, Trump supporters, all need to be disciplined and let Antifa continue to show their true colors.  It would be counterproductive to engage in undisciplined activities (or in a rally who’s main organizer made undisciplined statements of intent) that can be construed by the media and politicians to paint patriots as the aggressors and Antifa as the victims.
Frankly, given the prior statements of Joe Biggs that will be used against all attendees of his rally, it would be best for the patriot/conservative cause if this August 17 rally were simply canceled. Those who want to protest the way Portland coddles Antifa should start over, with a clean slate, and then do so in a much more disciplined manner.
In addition to the above noted Antifa terrorism, after the mass shootings in California, El Paso, and Ohio, we are in a decidedly “kinetic” (guns and bombs) environment and we should expect Antifa to use even more deadly force as they go full “Weather Underground” in their revolutionary communist-terrorist trajectory. Expect it.
As such, Oath Keepers will be very disciplined about what events we participate in, and we are currently instructing our members to focus on publicly supporting and directly backing up ICE and CBP personnel in a disciplined, purely defensive posture, using only clearly lawful self defense and defense of others, and to focus on our upcoming operation in El Paso, TX where we will also be assisting in securing private property (including homes) against deadly threat by Antifa.
If the event organizers do continue on with their planned event this Saturday, we sincerely hope it goes off without a hitch and is peaceful and successful. But Oath Keepers will be focusing our resources elsewhere.
For the Republic,
Stewart Rhodes
Founder and National President of Oath Keepers
Credits:
Author, Stewart Rhodes at OathKeepers.org
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Whatever the outcome today, may I suggest to include this struggle in our prayers. Thy Kingdom Come. Thy Will Be Done.
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wolfmoon1776

Good deal! Oathkeepers are SMART! White BLM are toxic manipuloids of the communists. Keep them away!

andyocoregon

Yes, Kudos to The Oathkeepers for cancelling out on this event. The Proud Boys are white chauvinists who are prone to use violence once Antifa provokes them. They are not to be equated with Patriot Prayer, a non-violent Christian oriented conservative group.

wolfmoon1776

Stated in ancient terms…..
“And Wolf heard a message from the Lord, spoken also to the keepers of oaths, saying ‘Mingle not with the Kesslerites, nor the Antifonians, nor the Psychobabbylonians, nor the Jebbusites, but flee from them all, seeing neither the skins of men, nor their forgiven sins, nor their false gods, nor their false kings, but rather their true hearts and their trust in the Lord’, and Wolf heeded this fully.” 😉

wolfmoon1776

But not Biblical truth, just to be clear! 😉

wolfmoon1776

Amen!

wolfmoon1776

Although – well – maybe a distant distilled multiple paraphrase in the Q Tree International Version! 😀

Plain Jane

And it doesn’t need Revision. 🙂

duchess01

You funny, wolf – I doubt if I could find that version in my local bookstore and/or online – but, hey – if that is the one you used – that’s okay – still laughing…

GA/FL

Biblical principles/precepts nonetheless!!!
I call it Godly Wisdom!

Plain Jane

Great words Wolfie.

nikkichico7

Amen … 🤨👍❤️🇺🇸❤️‼️🙏🏼

GA/FL

PS – I LOVE the Psychobabbylonians! Perfecto!!!

pgroup

“Psychobabbylonians”
OMG! You owe me a monitor and a keyboard. And a box of Kleenex for wiping my nose.

phoenixRising

Thanks so much T3 for making this space for this “event” ………….. which appears to be NOT what it seems.
Antifa is encouraging their own to dress like MAGA…………….. your post relates that Oath Keepers with not be present as high risk of white supremists being present………….
Effort being made to have MAGA supporters “appear” to be violent ?????????????????
EVIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for reminder to pray…………………..
Qtreepers, we cannot pray too often…………….. we truly are in a war against evil.
“Our Father……………” AMEN

phoenixRising

yes, typos, misspellings, etc. Getting old, have stopped apologizing 😉
Y’all are smart cookies, ya get it !

andyocoregon

“I Thought I Made A Mistake Once, But I Was Wrong…”

duchess01

The brain fils in the blanks – hence – no need to correct, PR – and sometimes, WP plays games, too…

Gail Combs

phoenixRising,
Word Unimpressed used to highlight misspelled words for me. Now I do not have even that crutch and I never could spell worth a crap! So any fubars are certainly forgiven esp. since there is no edit button! 😉

nikkichico7

In Jesus name amen 🙏🏼 … ❤️

ozzytrumpster

Yes, by all means, pray but break open the ammo boxes
(See Rorke’s drift)

phoenixRising

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1162771983316029440
Andy’s tweet is part of his THREAD……………. click for more info, images, telescopes

andyocoregon

Yeah, that’s a leftwing activist tactic. Tell any lies that will make conservative groups look bad.

churchmouse

In the comments to the thread — wow, so glad Andy was safe — is this alleged official UN document from 2013 about civilian disarmament:

sunnydaysall

I must say, I am very confused about the “white nationalist” description” here…
Our POTUS Trump has said he is a nationalist and so was Teddy Roosevelt… I and many Trump supporters have claimed Nationalism and quite a few of us are white! I and many others have been called white nationalists and I never had a problem with that until now!
Aren’t the Oath Keepers confusing white nationalists with white supremacists? They never once mentioned white supremacy in their letter…
Also, the Southern Poverty Law Center has its own definition for white nationalist but so does the far-left media…but this is the definition I grew up with and it was never a bad thing, but a Constitutional thing!
Have the Oath Keepers been duped by the left, like most of America that now calls us a democracy instead of a republic, or am I missing something here?
https://therealside.com/2017/07/white-nationalism-is-not-white-supremacy/

sunnydaysall

So don’t the Oath Keepers need to be corrected? At this point they are just spreading the left’s lies even further…

Linda

You don’t diffuse a bomb by allowing the left to slander 63 million Trump supporters as white supremacists. That’s what the MCM is trying to convince people of. Why would you do their work for them?

sunnydaysall

I never called them stupid and would never dare to call them stupid! I have a husband and 2 sons who have taken the very same oath! I was commenting on the letter and wondering if they were confusing white nationalism with supremacy! They never mention white supremacy once in the letter! Most people make a better mental connection to white supremacy then they do nationalism!

wolfmoon1776

The “white nationalist” label is a TRAP by the left – an insidious insult to people who are “white” and “nationalists”. Best responses are ones that BACKFIRE on the left. The MSM intentionally blurs two lines:
white + nationalist with….
ethno-defensive whites who are nationalists with….
white supremacists
What the left is doing here is very evil, IMO. But THEY own the fake news media.

Linda

I’m with you, Sunny. I’m so sick and tired of hearing this “white supremacist” nonsense that I could scream. I’ve never met one in my life and I doubt many other people have either. The left is using the term “white nationalist” as a synonym for “white supremacist,” which it is not. The left needs to be called out on this. We should never accept their words and definitions. The minute I read that word in their first paragraph, it made me angry at Oath Keepers for perpetuating this nonsense. Whatever they intended, I don’t see it.

sunnydaysall

Thank you Linda! Exactly how I feel as well!

duchess01

They exist, Linda – and their belief system…well – look see here
https://www.alternet.org/2014/04/10-things-everyone-should-know-about-white-supremacy/

Linda

Maybe they do, but they seem to stay in their holes for the most part. What are they – a couple hundred in the whole country at the most. I don’t see them making any headway in this country. Loads of people aren’t joining them. Most people could care less about race. The violence and anger we see out on the streets is all left wing and all antifa. As far as I’m concerned, anyone talking about “white” or “black” anything is the real racist.

ozzytrumpster

Antifa and their msm lapdogs are conflating the supremacists and trying to hang that label on all nationalists

duchess01

The supremacist movement are extremists – just like ANTIFA is – they are racists – I still have not figured out – until today – about what ANTIFA is ranting – two elderly people are so confused – yelling No Fascist, No KKK, No Trump – the woman was holding a sign saying ‘No White Supremacists’ – just as we thought – they do not know the difference between a ‘supremacist and a nationalist’ –
One of the guys they interviewed – an elderly man – said Trump is racist – when asked why – he said because he is separating families at the border – when the Interviewer said – they were separating children from ‘monsters’ – he said – oh no – see – they have no idea what they are protesting…
The video I am watching – so far after over an hour – no violence – both groups have been separated – police monitoring – the guy with the microphone is trying to interview Antifa members – but, they cannot answer questions – they just rant – they cannot explain for what they stand.
Dunno, Linda – so far – it is quiet – we shall see – agree – very few protesters – one guy with a mask covering his mouth.

ozzytrumpster

I’m a thinking that Antifa maybe in for some surprises.
Retired Leo and military types been disarming, unmasking, collecting, DNA,evidence,video footage or these clown for a while. Perhaps they are at the point that they’ve been given enough rope, especially as this is a VERY blatant call to arms

Gail Combs

I think President Trump will go after the $$MONEY SPIGOT$$ Turn that off and the Soy Boys and Tofu Girls will crawl back into Mommy’s basement.
There is plenty of evidence that should be available to DOJ. (AG Sessions appearing a bumbling idiot ===> Mistakes. Remember Ezra Cohen-Watnick, General Flynn’s protégé moved to the DOJ under AG Sessions.)

Never forget the Judge that allowed at least some information to be gleaned on those organizing the inaugural protest that turned into a riot.
Judge inches toward demand for data on Trump inaugural protest website

A judge is pressing forward with plans to allow enforcement of a search warrant against a website used to organize protests against President Donald Trump’s inauguration last January.
However, D.C. Superior Court Chief Judge Robert Morin is insisting that prosecutors won’t be able to see messages and other information that demonstrators exchanged on the DisruptJ20 site until he determines that every such communication is related to the ongoing investigation and prosecution of alleged rioting in downtown Washington on the same day Trump was sworn in.
“You have the right to have the warrant executed,” Morin told Assistant U.S. Attorney John Borchert during a hearing Wednesday afternoon on the dispute between the government and DreamHost — the internet firm that hosted the site.
Morin said that once the firm turns over the information, investigators will be able to take an initial look at the files but won’t be allowed to dig into their substance until he approves….
*https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/09/20/trump-inaugural-protest-website-data-judge-242946

Web hosting company ordered to turn over information on anti-Trump website:
“Judge imposes safeguards, but data on ‘innocent’ users would still end up with government.”
*https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/24/trump-inauguration-protest-dreamhost-court-241973
DC ANTIFA leader 17 charges – including assault and terrorist threats
https://www.theepochtimes.com/dc-antifa-leader-faces-17-charges-including-assault-terroristic-threats-report-says_2785302.html
‘Antifa And The SPLC Successfully Shut Down Four Anti-Islam Conferences’
*http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/12/anti-islam-events-wisconsin-minnesota-shut-down-antifa-splc/

“Multiple Antifa groups are now planning not just one event, but according to their announcement, it will be a nationwide terror attack on Americans, scheduled for November 4, 2017, and already being organized, with fliers, being announced on their websites and social media accounts, telling their followers to “take to the streets and public squares in cities and towns across the country continuing day after day and night after night—not stopping—until our DEMAND is met.”
What is their demand? “The Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!”
On August 19, 2017, they held “regional conferences” in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Austin, to plan the nationwide terror attacks, with the conferences being hosted by Refuse Fascism Org.
In their own words: We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: the Trump/Pence Regime Must Go! Our protest must grow day after day and night after night—thousands becoming hundreds of thousands, and then millions—determined to act to put a stop to the grave danger that the Trump/Pence Regime poses to the world by demanding that this whole regime be removed from power.
The Revolutionary Communist Party is also organizing their members to participate, as are dozens of Antifa-like groups.
This is not about Confederate monuments, not about Antifa being “offended” at free speech, or imagery they don’t like….make no mistake, they are saying straight up their goal is to overthrow the duly elected government of the United States, their methods include attacking police, attacking any Trump supporters, any free speech activists, and as seen below, they will attack anyone holding an American flag.
In other words, if they show up in your town, expect violence.”
http://www.patriotnewswatch.com/anonymous-releases-warning-to-antifa-ahead-of-november-4th-attacks/

“There’s definitely something strange and contradictory about the concept of an anarchist business. We work hard to destroy and move beyond capitalism, toward a non-exploitative, sustainable, and just economy. However, like it or not, capitalism is the only game in town at the moment. The building we work in, the packages we send and receive, the computers we use—all are the result of the exploited labor of the working class. Until we take power away from private economic tyrannies like corporations and investment groups, until we’re in control of our creative energies, almost every good or service we use or provide is administered by capitalism. AK Press doesn’t exist to enrich its members at the expense of consumers. We’re here to provide much needed tools for intellectual self-defense. When we call ourselves an “anarchist business” it’s with the full knowledge that the economy is not in our hands. Yet.”
http://antifaunited.bigcartel.com/about

phoenixRising

Andy’s Twitter stream has some Fox news clips and other tweets of interest
Remember to remove * before cutting and pasting url
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duchess01

No way am I going to read your feature @ BuzzFeedNews, Joe!!!

ozzytrumpster

Rather drink raw sewerage. And someone else’s too

duchess01

Eeeeeewwww…that’s nasty – would not go that far – Yikes!

Volgarian8301

If this “event” was a legitimate protest, why would they not secure the proper permits? 🤔.
Are the proud boys a front, similar to the group in Charlottesville, hoping to frame a negative narrative all around? There is room for a LOT of confusion around this.
Prayers for the good to prevail and the evil to be defeated.

andyocoregon

The biased Portland Bureau of Parks demanded a $4,500 fee for a permit. That’s unprecedented. Historically, the fee for a gathering permit at this park has always been $200.
This is just more crap the radical left wing Mayor Ted Wheeler has thrown at conservative groups.

Volgarian8301

So this truly is a powder keg waiting for a spark.
Too bad the whole thing can’t be shut down before either side has a chance to propagandize

andyocoregon

Our Bill of Rights provides for the Freedom to Assemble peacefully. If it does get violent, the police cant disperse the crowd by declaring it a riot.

andyocoregon

“can” disperse

Volgarian8301

Peacefully assembling doesn’t include showing up with weapons. I hope it gets shut down quickly at the first sign of violence.
May God protect the LEO tasked with this today

nikkichico7

Amen 🤨

andyocoregon

Trust me, the police are just looking for a reason to shut it down and go home to their yardwork or football games. As soon as the first fists fly it’ll be declared a Riot and everyone will be told to leave the area under threat of arrest.

kalbokalbs

Have not watched Portland news closely. Seems like PPD gives klantifa a free pass to riot, destroy property and attacks folks. Maybe I missed them doing police work…protecting people and property.
So, I guess Portland PD will focus on shutting down conservatives…

kalbokalbs

Hope we are not suggesting a gun free zone. Oregon has enough laws against 2A. Have three CCW licenses (NV, FL and UT), can’t carry in OR.

wolfmoon1776

Yes, I always gave them side-eye.
Kessler us once, shame on you. Kessler us twice, shame on us.
The Proud Boys were quickly spotted as a CULTURAL danger by the left, and were quickly pushed onto increasingly dangerous ground and made toxic. Their secularity quickly took on ethno-pagan and militarist baggage, smartly encouraged by the left, skilled in creating controlled opposition of the FLAVORS they want and need. The PB seemed too slow on the counterpunch (or counter-NOT-PUNCH), so to speak, and I always suspected that they were being loaded with dirty baggage faster than they could realize it was there. Gotta know when to fold, and they don’t.

sunnydaysall

They are nowhere near Satanic… They just got tired of being beaten up and now defend themselves!
Please, they are a multi-religious Group! Multi race group and are anti-SJW group! They would never have gotten the wrap they did had antifa not jumped them and got the crap beat out of them. The Proud Boys feel it is time to stand up to the thugs and they will fight back! I wish at times we had fought back more so that maybe the left wouldn’t be hurting so many innocent people with their violence! We gave the left an inch and they took a mile! That is why we are in the mess we are in!
To put this into perspective…If antifa attacked the Bikers For Trump, do you think those guys would sit around and let antifa beat on them? No… Proud Boys are the same.
https://youtu.be/k6wJa7FltyQ

wolfmoon1776

Exactly. The Proud Boys vs. the Kessler-type orgs are an excellent demonstration of the difference between “cornered opposition” and “controlled opposition”. The left is skilled at using both. Controlled opposition is far more dangerous, but cornered opposition is not free of danger to their own side.
Cornered opposition needs skilled leadership with a strong and quickly mobilized message to make all attempts to further corner them result in strong losses for the other side. Sadly, I did not see that coming from the Proud boys early on.
Our VSG “plays” cornered opposition very well, and the left just falls for it OVER and OVER and OVER.

Plain Jane

Although I understand your logic, and agree to an extent, Wolf said it best. You have to know when to fold. You have to know when to withdraw.
I have, even from fine orgs, when I knew in my heart that He was leading me elsewhere.

Sadie Slays

I always assumed they were funded by the same people funding ANTIFA and these occasional Portland riots are all staged for the cameras.

wolfmoon1776

I want not to believe it possible, but Suspicious Cat purrs loudly whenever I think of ways that the Sneaky Left could primrose path the Proud Boys into target range. The Commies are scary in social manipulations.

pgroup

Wait until you hear Suspicious Cat growl. That’ll scare the crap out of you!

sunnydaysall

Portland would not give the Christian groups permits for anything(Proud Boys)! No Christian or Patriot groups are given permits! The mayor is a thug! He promotes and finances antifa! My son who lives in the area said that even gays have to avoid certain areas because of antifa! They have become the terror arm of the mayor!

andyocoregon

They could have obtained a permit had they been willing to pay the extorted price of $4,500. Previously, permits were only $200 for the same area.

sunnydaysall

I hear ya, Andy, and had they brought the $4,000.00 they would have told them it was $8,000.00! There is some very bad stuff going down in Portland these days!

andyocoregon

So far, only a relatively small group has gathered at the Waterfront Park.
The sky is overcast with the typical marine layer of air we get from the coast in the morning, but it’ll burn off after noon and that will probably add to the agitation of the opposing groups.
Live helicopter shots here:
https://katu.com/watch

andyocoregon

That probably wouldn’t stop them. Portlanders have webbed feet and shed water like ducks. 🙂

sunnydaysall

A bigger storm would be better yet!! 🙂

andyocoregon

We usually don’t get those until late October. It never fails that people put out their Halloween decorations in their yards, then a big ass storm comes blowing through, usually at night, and knocks everything down.

ozzytrumpster

So….. not fast learners?

andyocoregon

More like…..put the stuff out and cross your fingers.

notasmidgeon

Seeing many red hats.

notasmidgeon

Well 6 min since I posted many red hats…..NONE now.

Plain Jane

Am thinking DECOYS can put on red hats. Bet the guy who throws the first punch will be antifa wearing a MAGA hat.

ozzytrumpster

I’d click on that if it was live helicopter gunship shots

andyocoregon

What wonderful “music”. Anyone care to dance? What a beat. What rhythm!
They need More Cowbell!
LOL!
https://www.koin.com/news/oregon/portland-protests-proud-boys-patriot-prayer-three-percenters-antifa-august-17-2019/

andyocoregon

Police have told the leftists to get out of the street. In return, they’re chanting, “Whose street, Our street!”

nikkichico7

Hose them down with quick setting foam … lock the buggers in mid goose-step ….

andyocoregon

I guarantee there are several undercover cops dressed as protesters down there today, milling around in the crowd looking for trouble makers. And hey are armed.

wolfmoon1776

Yup – the feds will be there to keep an eye on Klantifa this time!

andyocoregon

Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnescomment image

sunnydaysall

That is not fair… where did you get the meme? Truly not from their site…

andyocoregon

Yep, you all are correct. I should not have posted that photo. I had read some things about Gavin McInnes that claimed he was pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic, but I did some digging and found those claims to be untrue.
If any mod wants to delete it, be my guest. I do apologize for it.

sunnydaysall

Ending this here… All I can say is that there is too much MSM in this thread… I only wanted to set the record straight and now you have ended any true civil discourse with a meme… Over and out…

NebraskaFilly

Don’t feel bad, sunny. I am apparently persona non grata here now – perhaps you will be joining me? I’m sure it was noticed that I have not been participating as I always have in the past. Guess I just don’t play well enough with others. Now I see the “credit” for the Oathkeepers statement is handed to andy. Funny, when it was me who posted their statement in a reply to andy. Gee……imagine that.
Y’all take care. It’s been real.

wolfmoon1776

Klantiprop from Klantifa!

singingsoul1

The meme is offensive …!!!!!!!!!!!

kinthenorthwest

Here is it live from an Oregon station.
So far no confrontations…
Reports however of ANTIFAer going to dress up in MAGA gear and create problems.

Plain Jane

Yep, that’s what I think.

kinthenorthwest

Looks like its become violent

phoenixRising

another THREAD –

phoenixRising

nikkichico7

ty t3 .. awesome post … hope the good guys stay safe, stay home ..

phoenixRising

This fella is trying to report on the Protest……………
has a THREAD ………….. actually his twitter stream is of interest

phoenixRising

Note the policeman’s comment……………. “provoking them” ???????????

andyocoregon

That shirtless black dude has been spoiling for a fight all day. I think he’s on drugs. He’s very aggressive.

scott467

“That shirtless black dude has been spoiling for a fight all day. I think he’s on drugs. He’s very aggressive.”
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He’s probably just hungry.
A pot-belly like that needs to be fed regularly.
Toss him a couple of Big Macs, and watch him calm right down.

ozzytrumpster

Toss him a joint. In fact the whole area should have been carpet bombed with joints. Everyone would be sitting round singing karaoke by now

nikkichico7

.. or maybe crop dust them with strong sedatives …
… that’s starting to grow on me .. heh heh … 😈👍

nikkichico7

Like slopping hogs .. lol … or Hogg … bwahahahahahah

nikkichico7

Shades of Nazi germany … puke 🤮

andyocoregon

If i was in downtown Portland right now, I’d ask those obnoxious drummers if they could play the drum solo to In-A-Gada-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly.
Of course the answer would be “Who?”
To which I’d reply, “No you idiot, I said the group was Iron Butterfly.
😉

phoenixRising

Andy, in my humble (NOT!) opinion, I think Antifa should be designated a domestic terrorist group…………. anyone wearing a mask/covering their face, identity in public, at a demonstration of any kind should be arrested….
If the governing entity doesn’t uphold the law, Federal Marshals should be sent in and arrest them.
In fact, Sanctuary cities should be denied all federal funding….
Yes, I realize that my suggestions are too soft, but if y’all help me out here, I’m sure they can be improved on.

andyocoregon

The problem is, Portland is an Antifa Sanctuary City. Only the Feds can change that. The voters won’t.

ozzytrumpster

Let them sit in their own shit then. Learn something,vote them out

andyocoregon

I wish they would, but some people just never learn. They squawk like crazy when they receive their property tax bill each fall, but then turn right around and vote for liberals for city government.

Volgarian8301

Same guy in different places, trying to instigate violence, finally arrested

ozzytrumpster

And taser , give him a twofer

andyocoregon

If i was in downtown Portland right now, I’d ask those obnoxious drummers if they could play the drum solo to In-A-Gada-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly.
Of course the answer would be “Who?”
To which I’d reply, “No you idiot, I said the group was Iron Butterfly.
😉
https://katu.com/

kinthenorthwest

LOL—that is one place I would not go today, regardless of what someone pays me.

kinthenorthwest
nikkichico7

well … looks like maybe they should jail the lawless mayor … Portland is not an INDEPENDENT and AUTONOMOUS nation unto itself ..
Aren’t there national laws on the books to handle these crap weasels .. 😡‼️

Volgarian8301
Volgarian8301

And there’s the tanned Kojak again, needing a belt

scott467

That pot-belly is very intimidating.
That’s why he doesn’t wear a shirt.
It’s like song Pancho and Lefty (by Townes Van Zandt, I’m partial to Emmylou Harris’ rendition):
Pancho was a bandit boy, his horse was fast as polished steel
He wore his gun outside his pants
For all the honest world to feel…

That’s like this shirtless guy.
Except this guy wears his pot-belly outside his pants,
For all the honest world to feel…

andyocoregon

Guess he wants to make it easy for police to zap him with their tasers.

scott467

“Guess he wants to make it easy for police to zap him with their tasers.”
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As long as they don’t aim for his pot-belly.
That’s the source of all his super powers.

ozzytrumpster

He compensating for little below the belt. Small dick syndrome

scott467

You mean ‘dickey-doo’?
As in, his pot-belly sticks out further than his

Aubergine

My Dad would have said the guy has furniture disease…
His chest fell into his drawers.

ozzytrumpster

There’s a hellava lot more wrong with them than not being able to walk

Sadie Slays

These recurring Portland riots always struck me as a type of ritual where the same actors show up in the same city every few months and wail on each other for cameras over the course of an afternoon. Yes, ritual. Almost as if the occult elite hopes that by performing this ritual every so often, it will manifest outside of Portland. And if all else fails, then at least each respective side gets recruiting material for whenever they plan to start actual nationwide riots.

michaelh

Sounds like a political version of AMTGARD… Weekend warriors brawl it out.
IOW, a LARP.

singingsoul1

What I find intriguing is that among young idiots are mature men and women in their mid firers and older. I begin to wonder if their brains was burned by LSD. Who are these adults among 18-22 year old?
I would stop paying their college .

singingsoul1

The handlers should be arrested.

singingsoul1

Amen

ozzytrumpster

The brainwashed true believers who can’t bear their utopian dream going down in flames. They live in the sjw economy. Jobs as lecturers etc selling the dream whilst feeling superior and woke. Potus is not so much threatening their convictions as their livelihood

singingsoul1

Bingo

scott467

“Since that attack, Antifa has lauded Van Spronsen as a martyr and an example to follow, and, in the graphics promoting their planned assault on the border in El Paso, Texas September 1-10, Antifa has openly threatened to kill CBP personnel.”
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And the DOJ does nothing.
.
“And, of course, Antifa widely celebrated the July 12 illegal trespassing at the Aurora, CO ICE facility where protesters tore down the American flag, attempted to burn it, and in its place hoisted up the Mexican flagand also flew a defaced, upside down “blue lives matter” flag with “Abolish ICE” written on it in red.”
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And the DOJ does nothing.
If any non-Leftist American did anything even REMOTELY analogous, we would be disappeared into the American legal gulag.
.
“And most recently, at 3am on August 13, 2019, shots were fired into the occupied ICE offices in San Antonio, Texas.”
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And the DOJ does nothing.
They won’t do their duty, they are DERELICT, and we can’t do it for them, because the DOJ would definitely NOT be derelict in prosecuting US.
Ergo, the DOJ is thoroughly corrupt, and we have at least two standards of justice — and probably many more.
There are banana republics that uphold the rule of Law better than our corrupt FIB and DOJ.

ozzytrumpster

Chill. They are unmasking themselves. Ordinary Americans are watching with horror. Even with the msm spin

scott467

“Chill. They are unmasking themselves. ”
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If they were unmasked any further, they will be dinner guests at the next holiday meal.
Since when did openly criminal behavior need to be ‘unmasked’ before law enforcement did their job?
What is this new standard?
I’ve never seen or heard of it before in my life.
.
“Ordinary Americans are watching with horror.”
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They wouldn’t be watching in horror, if the government did their job and ARRESTED criminals for engaging in criminal conduct.
People aren’t horrified by the criminals.
People are horrified that the POLICE and the JUST US Department are AWOL, DERELICT, DEFUNCT, OUT TO LUNCH, GONE FISHING.
That’s what horrifies people, NOT petty criminals engaged in pointless gratuitous violence.

ozzytrumpster

The Leo nd corrupt politicians are being unmasked too. Smashing Antifa would not solve a thing. The enablers need to have responsiblity assigned to them in the eyes of the public. Antifa is disposable, so long as the underlying beast remains hidden and in control

scott467

“The Leo nd corrupt politicians are being unmasked too. Smashing Antifa would not solve a thing.”
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Smashing antifa would solve for American citizens having their Rights violated by antifa.
Law enforcement has an obligation and a duty — their entire reason for existence — to protect the citizenry and uphold the law.
They are doing NEITHER.
Where is the statute or code that allows the police to ignore their obligation to protect the citizenry and uphold the law, in service to some ‘higher goal’?
And since the ‘higher goal’ must by definition be ‘secret’, how would We the People ever know if they were actually pursuing some (certainly unlawful) ‘higher goal’, or if they were just lazy, or corrupt?
We CAN’T.
Which puts We the People in a position of “just trust me” when it comes to government, and that is STRAIGHT UP tyranny.
The whole concept is UNWORKABLE.
Unless the objective is to DESTROY public confidence in the rule of Law.
Because that is the ONLY thing that lawlessness — by cops OR criminals — achieves.

ozzytrumpster

Antifa is like a tissue, use and discard. Always another fringe group ready to take their place but to get the one machinating it behind the scenes. Yes.
Plus it’s not trust govt it’s trust Potus to defang this hydra. Better
I’m thinking even normies can see the cops are being nobbled

scott467

“The enablers need to have responsiblity assigned to them in the eyes of the public.”
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Says who?
Where is that in the law?
Where does all this hypothetical psychology/rationalization/excuse-making come from, and by what Authority?
When did this HAPPEN to our system of LAW?
Why do we think anything is actually happening, based on what logic of reason or fact?
What are we supposed to believe — our hopes and aspirations for a better world?
Or our own lying &^%$ing eyes?
When did we stop using our own &*%^ing eyes?
If somebody kidnaps your child at Wal-Mart, and he’s running out of the store with the child under his arms, and you’re chasing him, and you run past a cop in the parking lot, does the cop get to say “Don’t worry about it, we’re doing a whole IG investigation, we need to assign responsibility to the people behind these kidnappings in the eyes of the public — sorry about your child… but we can’t allow you to interrupt the crime, we’re in pursuit of a higher goal here…” ?!?!
WT flying F is that!
Have we lost our minds?
As for enablers, how is it that WE have not become ‘enablers’, by making every excuse imaginable for why the AUTHORITIES refuse to do their JOB?
They don’t even HAVE to explain themselves, WE’RE doing it FOR them!
We’re ALL the way through the looking glass.
I don’t know if others can see it or not, but it’s clear as day to me.
And attempting to make people feel isolated, like they are the only one who ‘sees’ it, as if they are the crazy one, that’s what GASLIGHTING is all about, isn’t it?
Government sanctioned gaslighting?
When does it ever stop?
How would we know?
Should we just ‘trust’ them?
How’s that workin’ out for us?

ozzytrumpster

If someone pays someone to commit a crime ie murder, they are considered more nliable than the actual perpetrator. (In Australian law). The perpetrator could have been co erced

scott467

“Antifa is disposable, so long as the underlying beast remains hidden and in control”
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How many times do you have to allow the beast to violate the Rights of American citizens before you have enough evidence?
50 times?
A hundred?
A thousand?
For how many years?
2 years?
4 years?
8 years and a wake-up?
How many excuses can we make for them, before we realize that WE have become the ‘enablers’?
It is no mystery how to deal with antifa.
Designate them as what everybody on the planet already knows they are, a domestic terrorist group that engages in political violence at every opportunity.
The next time they form a violent protest mob, you send in big men in blue and beat the ever-loving *&^% out of them, arrest everybody, and make SURE the cameras broadcast it everywhere.
Prosecute all of them, 30+ year sentences, and make sure the trials are broadcast on live TV for everyone to see.
You do that ONE time, and ‘antifa’ is OVER.
In the history of the WORLD, lawful government has never NOT KNOWN how to deal with violent criminals.
We don’t need to reinvent the wheel here — you’re not going to build a better freakin’ mouse trap.
Just enforce the LAW, that’s ALL they have to do.
Uphold the freakin’ law.
This ‘spy vs. spy’ shadow war &^%$ is pure insanity, it is DESTROYING what little was left of the Peoples’ confidence and belief in the rule of law — ANY law.
To prove just how upside down and ass-backwards this is, just consider — how in the world am I in a position of having to DEFEND simply enforcing the LAW?
If this is the ‘new normal’, then we’re *&^%ed.
And the LONGER things stay this way, the more certain it is that this will BE the ‘new normal’.
And we’re all sleep-walking right along, right into it…

ozzytrumpster

That’s how I’d do it. Unfortunately the cops are controlled by corrupt city hall , corrupt judges. Potus is making great inroadsinto the judges. The odds are much better you won’t end up with a compromised prosecution and judge

Gail Combs

BINGO!!!
The JUDGES are the key! REMEMBER SENTENCING IS UP TO THE JUDGE.
Just to give you an example:
Remember Eric Clanton had purchased the bike lock a few days before for the SPECIFIC PURPOSE of using it as a weapon IN A HATE CRIME. After all he did not know these people he just HATED their politics and bashed them in the head for exercising their free speech.

May 15, 2018 ANTIFA on TRIAL: How a College Professor Joined the Left’s Radical Ranks Eric Clanton took to the streets with anti-fascists during a season of violence in Berkeley…
*https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/antifa-on-trial-how-a-college-professor-joined-the-lefts-radical-ranks-630213/

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So what did ANTIFA LEARN?

A California professor accused of bashing an individual in the head with a bike lock received three years of probation on Wednesday.
California convicted former Diablo Valley College ethics professor Eric Clanton of misdemeanor simple battery ….
Berkeley police reported that the former professor had hit at least seven people in the head with a bike lock. He allegedly hit one victim in the back and neck, another on a helmet, severing a piece of it off, and another across the head, creating a wound that needed five staples to mend.
Clanton’s court record showed that he served four days in jail….
https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-bike-lock-professor-probation/

More info: https://campusunmasked.com/2018/08/10/antifa-bike-lock-prof-not-going-to-prison/
…..
Then there is someone who the MSM would consider as beingo on the RIGHT…

Michael Wolfe from Titusville in Florida pleaded guilty to the break-in at the Islamic Society of Central Florida Masjid Al-Munin Mosque in January 2016. CCTV footage shows the 37-year-old smashing windows and lights with a machete before leaving bacon by the front door.
*https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslim-hate-crime-bacon-mosque-man-jailed-15-years-michael-wolfe-florida-a8098926.html

Bacon used in hate crime: Titusville man gets 15 years in mosque vandalism. Michael Wolfe, 37, will serve 15 years in state prison, followed by 15 years probation for the January 2016 crime at the Islamic Society of Central Florida Masjid Al-Munin Mosque in Titusville. Prosecutors said the agreement was reached after discussions with the Islamic Society of Central Florida and Titusville police.
*https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2017/12/05/titusville-man-sentenced-15-years-prison-after-mosque-vandalism/924987001/

And here is another ‘bacon hate crime’ this time in the UK and the punishment is DEATH!
“Man jailed for leaving bacon sandwich OUTSIDE mosque found dead in Bristol prison”
*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4075328/Man-jailed-leaving-bacon-sandwiched-outside-mosque-dead-prison-half-way-12-month-sentence.html
So a crime that harms property AND NOT PEOPLE gets a total of 30 years but a crime that harms and could have killed seven people gets three years probation….

ozzytrumpster

Yep, gotta get rule of law From The Bench and The Prosecuters. Cushy plea deals a la Epstein gotta go.

andyocoregon

Radical left activists seek to take away 1st Amendment from conservative groups.
https://katu.com/news/local/lawsuit-filed-seeking-to-stop-far-right-demonstration-from-taking-place-in-portland

scott467

Look, it’s the anti-fa super-hero…
It’s Pot-Belly Man…

scott467

Pot-Belly Man… able to eat three desserts in a single meal.

wolfmoon1776

I think these are the “rules” of the radical left, that the people with the most victim points lead.

Sadie Slays

As for the “Proud Boys,” the tell is in the name. Shouldn’t they be “Proud MEN”? Honestly, what kind of patriotic men standing up to the violent Left call themselves “Boys”?
It’s because the Deep State doesn’t want to associate strength, patriotism, and maturity and any other positive masculine qualities with standing up to the Left. Can’t have the masses thinking of flag-waving Americans beating up ANTIFA as MEN. Oh no, no no. The masses must be trained to think of these anti-Left men as BOYS.

Sadie Slays

It’s related to the same reason why the media and Leftist politicians outright refuse to use the word “man” or “men” anymore. Always “males” or “guys” or “dudes” but never ever “MEN.” It’s all part of their sick agenda to dehumanize the entire demographic.

scott467

“As for the “Proud Boys,” the tell is in the name. Shouldn’t they be “Proud MEN”? Honestly, what kind of patriotic men standing up to the violent Left call themselves “Boys”? ”
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I don’t know anything about them, but I’m guessing that “boys” is sort of like ‘good old boys’.
‘Proud Men’, for a group name, probably sounds too formal, or too ‘institutional’. It sounds like something an academic would come up with.
By contrast, ‘Proud Boys’ sounds like an informal name for a group of regular guys.
It’s a guy thing.

kinthenorthwest

Hey I thought about going to the Fish Feast in Salem…Nixed that Idea as soon as I found about the action in Portland.
Yea I know I didn’t have to be in downtown area, and could have diverted, but decided that I’d stay on the safe side
“Matt Maher, Zach Williams, Mac Powell, We Are Messengers | Fish Fest 2019 | Salem, OR”
Saturday, 17 August 2019
02:00 PM to 09:30 PM
(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada)
Riverfront Park – Salem – Riverfront Park Loop – Salem, OR 97301

Volgarian8301

duchess01

WATCH LIVE: Proud Boys, Antifa in Portland…
Posted by Kane on August 17, 2019 2:22 pm
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/watch-live-proud-boys-antifa-in-portland/

GA/FL

Discipline has many connotations, definitions and meanings.
– careful faithful commitment and self-controlled behavior
– consequences meted out, punishment for uncontrolled behavior and justice received for misbehavior.
– guidance and training by a parent
– the behavior required and expected of a disciple
All forms of discipline – of thought, speech, vocation and personal behavior – are lacking and even rare in our liberal, uncontrolled culture.

notasmidgeon

Why does the video pause at frequent intervals?

Harry Lime

That’s for anyone on the left who might happen to be watching…they’re a little slow…gives them a chance to catch up.comment image

phoenixRising

phoenixRising

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1162836507712983040

singingsoul1

The true face of the terror group Antifa.
They crate terror wherever they go.
In 1936 Germany the equivalency of Antifa -Communists created terror among the German people.
The brown shirts arose and everyone cheered because they beat the crap out of Antifa. We all know how it ended.
Antifa needs to be defeated now by the FBI and DOJ and the local police because people will get fed up and these little sissies will get more brazen.

andyocoregon

Had to laugh at one comment I saw elsewhere that said those protesters were angry at those kinds of buses because that’s the kind they had to ride when they were kids. “Short buses”.

duchess01

That thread is horrific, think – the one I have been watching has been peaceful…

Harry Lime

That big loud mouth who “didn’t come here to do any talking”…certainly does a lot of talking…blah, blah, blah…

phoenixRising

phoenixRising

nikkichico7

…. behold … lawlessness ..
😖🤚‼️

phoenixRising

wolfmoon1776

These enablers are EMPOWERING KLANTIFA!

phoenixRising

wolfmoon1776

The Klantifa in the comments are horrifying.

mot2grls

Just got out of Mass, heard on the top of the hour “fake radio news”(Westwood 1) that the Proud Boys were causing trouble. They mentioned an anti fascist group that wore masks to protect themselves. Very sickening. I am so tired of the dishonest media. I pray that Americans see through the spin and constant lies.

wolfmoon1776

Communist Fake News! Foursquare behind KLANTIFA.

sunnydaysall
andyocoregon

That’s a very good video.