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Caesar . . . or God?

If there’s anything that will spark a spontaneous debate, if not an outright argument, it’s a discussion involving politics—even among believers. As followers of Christ, what should be our attitude and our involvement with politics? It’s been said that “religion and politics don’t mix.” But is that really true? Can we have political views outside the considerations of our Christian faith? The answer is no, we cannot. The Bible gives us two truths regarding our stance towards politics and government.

The first truth is that the will of God permeates and supersedes every aspect of life. It is God’s will that takes precedence over everything and everyone (Matthew 6:33). God’s plans and purposes are fixed, and His will is inviolable. What He has purposed, He will bring to pass, and no government can thwart His will (Daniel 4:34-35). In fact, it is God who “sets up kings and deposes them” (Daniel 2:21) because “the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone He wishes” (Daniel 4:17). A clear understanding of this truth will help us to see that politics is merely a method God uses to accomplish His will. Even though evil men abuse their political power, meaning it for evil, God means it for good, working “all things together for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28).

Second, we must grasp the fact that our government cannot save us! Only God can. We never read in the New Testament of Jesus or any of the apostles expending any time or energy schooling believers on how to reform the pagan world of its idolatrous, immoral, and corrupt practices via the government. The apostles never called for believers to demonstrate civil disobedience to protest the Roman Empire’s unjust laws or brutal schemes. Instead, the apostles commanded the first-century Christians, as well as us today, to proclaim the gospel and live lives that give clear evidence to the gospel’s transforming power.

There’s no doubt that our responsibility to government is to obey the laws and be good citizens (Romans 13:1–2). God has established all authority, and He does so for our benefit, “to commend those who do right” (1 Peter 2:13–15). Paul tells us in Romans 13:1–8 that it is the government’s responsibility to rule in authority over us—hopefully for our good—to collect taxes, and to keep the peace. Where we have a voice and can elect our leaders, we should exercise that right by voting for those who best demonstrate Christian principles.

One of Satan’s grandest deceptions is that we can rest our hope for cultural morality and godly living in politicians and governmental officials. A nation’s hope for change is not to be found in any country’s ruling class. The church has made a mistake if it thinks that it is the job of politicians to defend, to advance, and to guard biblical truths and Christian values.

The church’s unique, God-given purpose does not lie in political activism. Nowhere in Scripture do we have the directive to spend our energy, our time, or our money in governmental affairs. Our mission lies not in changing the nation through political reform, but in changing hearts through the Word of God. When believers think the growth and influence of Christ can somehow be allied with government policy, they corrupt the mission of the church. Our Christian mandate is to spread the gospel of Christ and to preach against the sins of our time. Only as the hearts of individuals in a culture are changed by Christ will the culture begin to reflect that change.

Believers throughout the ages have lived, and even flourished, under antagonistic, repressive, pagan governments. This was especially true of the first-century believers who, under merciless political regimes, sustained their faith under immense cultural stress. They understood that it was they, not their governments, who were the light of the world and the salt of the earth. They adhered to Paul’s teaching to obey their governing authorities, even to honor, respect, and pray for them (Romans 13:1-8). More importantly, they understood that, as believers, their hope resided in the protection that only God supplies. The same holds true for us today. When we follow the teachings of the Scriptures, we become the light of the world as God has intended for us to be (Matthew 5:16).

Political entities are not the savior of the world. The salvation for all mankind has been manifested in Jesus Christ. God knew that our world needed saving long before any national government was ever founded. He demonstrated to the world that redemption could not be accomplished through the power of man, economic strength, military might, or politics. Peace of mind, contentment, hope, and joy—and the salvation of mankind—are provided only through Jesus’ death and resurrection.

“Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s” is a well-known quote that appears in Matthew 22:21 and is part of Jesus’ response to a joint attempt by the Herodians and Pharisees to make Jesus stumble in front of His own people.

The Herodians were a non-religious Jewish party who supported the dynasty of Herod and the general policy of the Roman government. They perceived that Christ’s pure and spiritual teaching and influence were antagonistic to their interests. The Pharisees, on the other hand, were members of an ancient Jewish sect who believed in the strict observance of oral traditions and the written Law of Moses. They didn’t believe that Christ was the Messiah, despite His many miracles during His earthly ministry. Although Herodians and Pharisees were at opposite ends of the political spectrum, their common hatred of Christ was enough for them to join forces to try to destroy Him.

Here is the context of Jesus’ command to “render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s”: in Matthew 22 Jesus had just returned to Jerusalem for the final time and recently finished sharing several parables with the crowd. Jesus’ enemies saw an opportunity to put Jesus on the spot in front of His followers. In verse 17, they say to Jesus, “Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” (ESV). It was a trick question, and they knew it. If Jesus answered, “No,” the Herodians would charge Him with treason against Rome. If He said, “Yes,” the Pharisees would accuse Him of disloyalty to the Jewish nation, and He would lose the support of the crowds. To pay taxes or not to pay taxes? The question was designed as a Catch-22.

Jesus’ response is nothing short of brilliant: “But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, ‘Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.’ And they brought him a denarius” (Matthew 22:18–19, ESV).

The denarius was a coin used as the tax money at the time. It was made of silver and featured an image of the emperor with an inscription calling him “divine.” The Jews considered such images idolatry, forbidden by the second commandment. This was another reason why, if Jesus answered, “Yes,” He would be in trouble. His acceptance of the tax as “lawful” could have been seen as a rejection of the second commandment, thus casting doubt on His claim to be the Son of God.

With the coin displayed in front of them, Jesus said, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” The Herodians and Pharisees, stating the obvious, said, “Caesar’s.” Then Jesus brought an end to their foolish tricks: “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22:21, ESV). Upon hearing this, Jesus’ enemies marveled and went away (verse 22).

Caesar minted coins, as he had a right to do, and he demanded some coins in return, as was his right. After all, his image was stamped on what he had made. God has “minted” the human soul, and He has stamped His image on every one (Genesis 1:27). So give Caesar his due—the temporary stuff of this world—but make sure to give God His due: “Offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness” (Romans 6:13).

When Jesus said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s,” He was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and human rulers, from benevolent monarchs to corrupt, vicious tyrants hold power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under our human rulers, we have certain obligations that involve temporal things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If our human rulers demand money, give it to them—it’s only mammon. But make sure you also give God what He demands.

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cthulhu

I’m a little weird. I consider the KJV divinely inspired to speak directly to the hearts of men — it is sheer poetry. OTOH, there are many scholarly translations to speak to men’s intellects, which are superior for deeper study.

The KJV reads:

15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Linda

I must be weird, too, then. The KJV is the version I almost always read and study.

cthulhu

For deep study, I prefer the New English Bible (NEB — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_English_Bible ) and its successor, the Revised English Bible.

The actual Bible is written in a selection of ancient languages that includes Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, and others. The most common translation for most of Christian history has been Latin.

For those of us without sufficient time to become fluent in these languages, we must reply on English-language reports of various experts in these tongues. NEB and REB have performed well-documented efforts towards faithful English translations.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I had never heard of those two translations before…of course there are dozens listed in Wikipedia so that’s no surprise.

Many actual Bible scholars who do it for a living prefer the New Revised Standard Version, so that’s what I use when I have to look something up.

Valerie Curren

You Might enjoy BibleGateway.com where you can look up passages in any English version & single verses in Every English version. I believe there are several other languages available & the ability to juxtapose 2 versions in parallel.

pgroup2

Try the Complete Jewish Bible.

singingsoul1

I need to read it. Thank you did not think about it.

Valerie Curren

I ‘be been partial to the NIV since one of my grad school professors was involved in the translation & explained much of the process, which is expounded on in the introduction. The committee of scholars included biblical language experts & both Christian & Jewish leaders. When committees were not unanimous in agreement the majority opinion was put in the main text & alternate s in footnotes.

For sheer poetic beauty, familiarity, & historicity I prefer the King James, the version used in churches of my youth..

Bible Gateway & similar sites are useful for the ease of access to many different versions for comparative bible study, imo 😇

GA/FL

I spent several years with an NIV study Bible, enjoy using an original version Amplified Bible, and have found the online NET Bible valuable. I’m currently reading in an ESV study Bible with RC Sproul’s notes.

I love using a big old Concordance for a word by word study.

One can never plumb the depths of GOD’S WORD. It keeps on giving, teaching, revealing, shedding light, working in us.

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TradeBait2

Amen.

The NASB has been rated the highest overall for use in non-SBC Protestant seminaries. They said it was the closest to the original texts. More literal.

I found the link below may explain better than me. I’m a more “”literal to “meaning” type thinker. The comparison chart found deeper into the article is helpful and has been used by many analysts and theologians to make their points about Bible versions and scripture preferences.

https://faithfoundedonfact.com/the-5-most-accurate-bible-translations/

Grew up on KJV, which is beautifully written and I have more appreciation for as an adult than as a child. Did my deep dive studies with NKJV. Had a former SBC pastor go off on it in a small group setting at a UMC church we no longer are members of one day, Said he knew a few people involved in its composition that he did not care for or trust. Which was weird, he was a former pastor for good reasons. Pot, kettle, black, and all that.

Enjoyed the ESV and love me some RC Sproul. Used Strong’s concordance for a lot of years. For general scripture reading I’m still in the NASB. For some the other end or the middle of the spectrum speaks better to them. The point is God speaks, we listen and apply.

Which our friend Bakocarl delivers to us every Sunday. Such a blessing!

We give our thanks and praise to the Lord!

GA/FL

Thanks, TradeBait – I’ll have to look into the NASB. Have never read it, even on Bible Gateway. Looking forward to another helpful translation and to broadening my studies, which have been curtailed a lot by too much following politics and by the challenges of our daughter’s disease…and I confess, my love of mystery detective fiction.

Scripture with the anointing of GOD comforts, heals, corrects my course, soothes my heart and mind better than anything else.

Valerie Curren

💖💖💜💜💖💖

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

That was an interesting article.

Because there are so many translations out there, of course, it can’t cover them all. But I noticed it mentions the RSV only in passing a couple of times, and the NRSV not at all…until the very end where it lists it as the third most used translation! If it’s that popular, it would be nice to know where they would put it on the word-for-word to paraphrase spectrum, and why it isn’t one of their top 5.

Edit to add: looking at their top 5, they are the ones that they rated most word-for-word. Clearly that’s their number one criterion, and things like readability and comprehensibility fall further down the list. As they themselves concede sometimes clarity to someone whose first or even only language is English can be improved by stepping away from word-for-word.

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piper567

Yes, the ESV I use is the Ligonier edition…also love RC.
A v accessible comparison of verses/phrases is available on https://www.blueletterbible.com
There is a choice of pretty much all of the translations/paraphrase versions…for ease of comparison, it’s hard to beat.
And if you put in a key word (found in Scripture), it’s a sort of handy if not comprehensive Concordance.

Valerie Curren

TY!

Valerie Curren

Thank you for your insights & the link 💖

Valerie Curren

Amen!!! So TRUE!

singingsoul1

You are not weird 🙂

Deplorable Patriot

Douay-Rheims or bust. That one was translated by Jesuits in the late 16th century when they were still honest men. They translated it straight from the Vulgate, which is the Bible translated by St. Jerome in the fifth century after the Canon was closed at the Counsel of Carthage. It’s in the Vatican Archives. All Latin Bibles were copied straight from it so as to keep error from creeping into Scripture, which happened anyway when Martin Luther took it upon himself to make changes. Frankly, the King James may be beautifully written, but it’s so riddled with poor word choices in the translation so as to make it a COMPLETELY different book than the original.

Aubergine

Well, the people translating for King James had an ulterior motive; staying alive.

King James was a bit of a loon. He wanted a Bible with his prejudices accounted for in it.

Deplorable Patriot

See.

In the fifth century, the oral traditions from when Christ walked on the Earth were still alive, and the Founders and Church Fathers would have been consulted in the translating. That all went into the word choices used.

Aubergine

I’ve not read the Douay Rheims Bible, but I’m sure it’s more “accurate” than King James.

Valerie Curren

See my reply to D P above…

GA/FL

Not sure inserting a middle layer of Latin in between translations of the Greek and Hebrew of Scripture makes it superior or more accurate.

However, three (Latin, Greek and Aramaic/Hebrew) languages were written on the sign placed over the Cross of Jesus.

“It has been suggested that the reason the Jewish leaders were so upset with Pilate regarding the sign on the cross of Jesus was due to the acrostic that the words spelled in Hebrew. That is the first letter of each word “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS” (John 19:19) actually spelled YHWH, which, if true, would obviously be an affront to the pious leaders of the day.”

More – https://www.douglashamp.com/sign-on-the-cross-of-jesus/

The late Billy Graham wrote: “The title was written in Hebrew so the religious would understand. It was written in Greek so the cultured world could understand. It was written in Latin so world government could understand.”

More – https://biblesandblessings.com/2021/10/what-does-the-sign-inri-over-jesus-on-the-cross-mean/

GA/FL

Luther was following his conscience and scholarship – the church of his day was corrupt, as is the church of our day – both Catholic and Protestant.

TradeBait2

Well done, friend.

Deplorable Patriot

Because Latin was then, is now, and will always be the official language of the Church.

And the whole part about the Church Fathers and Founders never comes up in these discussions. NEVER. They tell us more about Sacred Scripture than modern analysis. They also tell us that the Evangelists, in particular, left out A LOT.

Separating Scripture from history and the people who lived Christianity in the early centuries has been a complete disaster, IMO.

cthulhu

I received a Catholic baptism in Latin when I was an infant. I, of course, don’t remember it, but my parents were impressed by its length.

A couple of years afterward, my slightly younger cousin was baptized in English in his parents’ Catholic Church. My parents were surprised to learn how much it was similar to an exorcism, evicting demons and devils from the child.

Fast-forward about fifteen more years, and my parents would mutter, “it only works in Latin.”

Deplorable Patriot

Yes, the proper Baptism ceremony does have a little exorcism. When that was dropped all hell broke loose in the Church.

CMinTN

Because it is a dead language, it hasn’t been modernized or changed with the times. When service is in latin it can remain the same all over the world.

Deplorable Patriot

It never was dead until it was pronounced dead sixty years ago, and it was no longer taught to everyone. In fact, the region of Spain where my great grandparents were born, at the time had a dialect was far more Latin than Spanish.

CMinTN

My wife is Roman Catholic, I was raised Protestant. We use the Douay-Rheims as well, with the Clementine Vulgate latin on the opposing pages. I like that it has the books left out by most Protestant Bibles. We had been going to a UMC church in TN, but are now looking in our new area. Have been interested in a traditional pre-vatican II church outside of town. They are a Sedevacantist church. All the others around here are more interested in catering to the modern sodemite crowds and openly celebrate it.

Deplorable Patriot

A reverent Novus Ordo can be hard to find.

Sedevacantist parishes…I have a long list of issues beginning with invalidity.

CMinTN

Good point. We have had no luck finding a good one though. The ones we have tried seem too modern and either give in to secularism or spend more time begging for money than actual worship. That tends to rub me the wrong way. The protestant churches were similar. People shouldn’t be shamed when they can’t afford to tythe as much as they are supposed to.

CMinTN

Thanks for the reply. Having not been raised Catholic leaves me with a lot of questions. Reading about it is one thing, but having people who came up that way explain it is more insightful. My wife tries to explain some, but she is foreign and they did things a little different from here.

Valerie Curren

Translating from a translation rather than from the original languages is likely to introduce error too. I believe The Jerusalem Bible was translated from French to English. It Might be helpful as a tool for disciphering the meaning of the French in a French Bible for someone with limited French skills, like me, but I wouldn’t look to it for scriptural accuracy having gone through at least 3 languages!

singingsoul1

I agree it is beautiful

piper567

cthulhu, I agree w you. I reach for my KJV when I find a passage in which God speaks, such as the end portion of Job, or in many of the Psalms, which can be so poetic. The KJV language seems to lend itself to a proper attitude and appreciation. But for study, I tend to favor the ESV.

TheseTruths

Interesting article.

The church’s unique, God-given purpose does not lie in political activism. Nowhere in Scripture do we have the directive to spend our energy, our time, or our money in governmental affairs.

Yes, the Church’s purpose is not political activism. But, if, by influencing governmental affairs — as is possible in this country — individuals can cause politics to move in a direction that would save lives or rescue children from immoral and destructive forces, for example, I think it is incumbent upon them, including Christians, to do so. It is important to keep our priorities straight and to have proper balance, but I don’t think we are to sit back, watch, and do nothing when we have the freedom to try to make things better. I think this is particularly true when the lines of good vs. evil are so clearly drawn.

That said, always keeping this in mind:

If our human rulers demand money, give it to them—it’s only mammon. But make sure you also give God what He demands.

GA/FL

The Church’s purpose should not be political activism for activism’s sake – but for the sake of DEFENDING THE FAITH, the Word, Truth and Life, The Gospel, to be faithful to the Lord and His Commandments.

TheseTruths

Virginia’s GOP Gov. Glenn Youngkin REVERSES woke school policies of his Dem predecessor: Trans students must use bathroom matching birth certificate and teachers can’t be forced to use alternative pronouns

● The Virginia School board reversed woke policies in a new model that requires Trans students to use restrooms matching their birth certificate 

● Gov. Glenn Youngkin enacted new policies after his Democrat predecessor allowed students to choose which restrooms to use based on gender identity 

● Teachers are also not required to enforce gender pronouns in the classroom in accordance with their First Amendment right to free speech 

● The new policies ‘reflect the Department’s confidence in parents to prudently exercise their fundamental right under the Fourteenth Amendment and the Virginia Constitution to direct the upbringing, education, and control of their children,’ the guidelines state

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11222169/Virginias-GOP-Gov-Glenn-Youngkin-says-Trans-students-use-bathroom-matching-birth-certificate.html

Tonawanda

Youngkin doing better than expected.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

EXACTLY.

Rumors of RINOism seem to be “misinformation”.

TheseTruths

Catturd:

Looks like Wings and Pirate have become huge Bama fans – 😂

GA/FL

They be Rollin’ with the Tide.

WSB

Carl, such a clear message that often becomes muddled everywhere one looks for the perceived split of being a Christian and participating as a citizen of an organized society.

Thank you so much for a clear message.

Of terrible anxiety yesterday, I saw a couple of videos with Lara Logan and am astonished at what seems to be the UN agenda for OUR USA. To whom do we render ANYtHING?

I went through Lara Logan’s videos with Steve Bannon from two different interviews in the last two days. 

Both very disturbing. 

The first from yesterday:

https://rumble.com/v1k8dgj-lara-logan-the-un-discussed-plans-to-move-100-million-illegals-into-the-us..html

The interview above may explain a very sinister plot, long in the making, to import a foreign army into the US, to arm them with guns and ammo paid by the American people and held by all of the stashes in our various ABC agencies. This just hit my mind today. Import unarmed armies, and then arm them in -country with the victims’ paid-for weaponry, This is my opinion, just to be clear

Trojan Horse 2.0
 
It would be quite a Sun Tzu plot, if this is why these various agencies are stashing weaponry. 

And then this one. Equally disturbing:

https://warroom.org/2022/09/17/lara-logan-discusses-hackathon-for-border-security-live-at-the-vfw-hall-in-houston/

May God bless us all against this asymmetric war against humanity. I hope I am being far too worrisome, yet believe I am not.

WSB

Would appreciate any input.

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Linda Harrison

To me, this is very reminiscent of “Numbers USA”, Tom Tancredo, Ross Perot and the Reconquista and La Raza movement. Many patriots sat on the border in lawn chairs documenting what was going on. We wrote letters to the White House, etc on a daily basis. It always fell on deaf ears.

kalbokalbs

Lara is spot on, IMO.

The Threat Assessment MUST be released, so it can go viral.

  • IF Lara has it, whoever has it, RELEASE IT. (Duh)

Threat Assessment needs to be in the hands of Bannon, Tucker, Lara…AND EVERYONE of US, to Blast Out.

WSB

Indeed. My follow up question to Lara would be, “How long ago was this UN information given to you?”

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para59r

I think many share your concern about all those young military aged people who’ve crossed our border under the invitation of the globalist wanna be tyrants. Up to no good very likely and what do we know about where they are now? The public is completely in the dark on that issue. The common number bandied about is 2 million have crossed since Biden stole the office. Trump last night want’s to put the figure at closer to 10 million. Regardless it would only take a fraction of either number to cause havoc or worse in our country. It’s kind of like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

WSB

Indeed, my compatriot! Which is why I have a concern about the all of the weapon and ammo stashes at various agencies.

The only reason I can think of is to arm their own army. And I believe the IRS is the least of it. Obama told us he wanted one. Antifa and BLM are already in place, complete with Obama-phones to entice showing up immediately, no?

How perfect to have an arsenal ready to go.

One thing I noticed yesterday was seeing one of the Venezuelan illegal aliens…with a $700 teeth whitening job!

BillBeakman

On top of that mess, if we were ever to reach a point of needing regular military to check the invasion, we have the hot mess of a woke military with downright treasonous leadership.
This in addition to the steady decimation of so many of our best and brightest by the steady attrition of “needless wars.” 😡

WSB

Therefore, the purging of LE and Milley-tary.

It seems the mandatory shots were yet another purging method to distinguish between the brainwashed and the strong critically thinking-driven soldier.

BillBeakman

This!

Tonawanda

My thought: how could millions of invaders pour into the our country unimpeded without our enemies also infiltrating? It would be worth spending hundreds of millions of dollars to create weapons depots and disguised barracks inside our country. Why would they not?

I assume multiple enemies are doing this, with multiple goals. True, this belief is based only upon means, motive, and opportunity, and filling in the blanks.

Added to that is the parallel belief that whoever controls our country also wants the definitive destruction of our country. Whoever controls our country is at best indifferent to invaders with any motivation.

None of us knows the particulars of what is going on behind the chaos and relentless lies. All we know is that America is the target, and it is open season on America.

WSB

They ARE. We are being told that people from many countries are ‘pouring in’. All planned, of course.

And Lara Logan basically said as much. I know she is very aware of these proxy combat wars, since she has been on the ground covering them, so I tend to believe her.

So, the next question is…how to pre-empt this scenario? A TEA Party dump?

Robert Baker

The most effective way to destroy a strong nation or civilization is through subversion. The fact that it takes a long time is its major drawback. Patience not being one of the more cultivated virtues in human society makes it less popular than war and general mayhem. Divide and conquer is not just a maxim.

kalbokalbs

Chinee have lotsa patience. Constant drug flow. Increasing drug flow.

WSB

50 years is one day to the Chinese.

TheseTruths

Amazing reporting that needs to go viral. At least the second link highlights some action that is being taken.

RAC

“7.2 magnitude earthquake strikes off Taiwan coast, tsunami warning issued on Japanese island of Miyakojima – Reuters”

https://t.me/intelslava/37362
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“Eyewitnesses post footage of the aftermath of a strong earthquake off the coast of Taiwan.

Trains swayed heavily on the tracks, people hid on the platform, houses collapsed in some areas, emergency services are working on the spot.”

https://t.me/intelslava/37364
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“More footage of the consequences of the devastating earthquake off the coast of Taiwan is distributed by local media.”

https://t.me/intelslava/37366
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Barb Meier

Thanks for the head’s up, RAC. I don’t use telegram (that’s the t<dot>me links. So, I searched for Taiwan earthquake and saw an article by a Taiwan news source. An interesting read too. It says that every year they normally get 2 or 3 earthquakes above a 6.0 but this year, there have been 7. This article doesn’t discuss the tsunami warning. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4661127

kalbokalbs

USGS shows the tsunami warning issued.

Miyakojima, as I recall is a small island between Taiwan and Okinawa. Mainly a tourist spot of sorts. Beaches and the like.

Lemme look around a bit…

Japan Times. Tsunami warning issued. Then lifted.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/18/national/strong-earthquake-taiwan/

Barb Meier

Thank you, bakocarl! I have only known the KJV so looked up the ESV that you refer to. I found an interesting video at the Bible Gateway website where those involved in the ESV translation discuss what they have done in creating it as a “word for word” translation. https://www.esv.org/translation/. Also, interesting discussion by Cthulhu, Linda, pgroup, and steve on Bible translations. Thanks all!

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pgroup2

One cannot fully understand Scripture unless it is read from a Hebrew perspective.

Why?

Because it was written based on directions from God Himself for the Hebrews. Christ Himself said so. Translating it word-for-word is fine, as far as it goes. It cannot provide the Hebrew ‘color’ and nuance. Therefore, no matter how much we try, something is lost in the translation. Ask somebody what is ‘the eye of the needle’ that Christ said was difficult to get a camel through. You will mostly get an answer that it was a metaphor.

Actually, He meant it literally because ‘the needle’ was a low doorway into the wall around a corral and getting the camel to squat down to get through it was a chore. Once inside, the camel was in the corral and would not voluntarily get out through the needle.

Try the Complete Jewish Bible. Translated by David Stern, a total Jew in both heritage and beliefs.

scott467

I always wonder about this, and so far I have not found a straight answer.

Unlike any of the examples in Scripture, our government is unique, because we do not have ‘rulers’, We the People are the ‘rulers’.

Our Founding Fathers rebelled against the ‘ruling power’, and overthrew the rule of monarchy. Was that wrong? Was that against God’s will? If it was, should we not give ourselves back to Britain? Would that not be the only way to make it ‘right’?

Did our Founding Fathers defeat God’s purposes in gaining freedom from George? Or did God bless our Founding Fathers’ efforts, without which blessing they could never have been victorious?

If it is the latter, then We the People are the rightful rulers in America, and the civil servants we elect are elected to serve us, not to rule over us. Ruling ourselves is a responsibility. Does it not require some effort on the part of We the People to rule ourselves?

Is it possible to rule ourselves according to Godly principles without participation?

The key distinction, which to my knowledge did not exist in the 1st century, is that in America, We the People are the rulers.

We the People founded the nation. We the People created the Constitution, which in turn authorized the creation of the government, and very purposefully did so in a way to do everything possible to preserve the “master” status of the individual and maintain the “servant” status of the government.

That this has been turned upside down by wicked men does not change the circumstances under which our nation was lawfully founded, and does not change the plain language of our Constitution.

If anything, do We the People not have an obligation and a duty to right the wrong that is being done to us by our wicked servants?

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“So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? [16] He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.” (Luke 20:15-16, KJV, boldface mine)
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Aubergine

What an interesting line of inquiry.

I am going to have to think about this a bit.

scott467

“What an interesting line of inquiry.”

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It always seems to happen when apparently contradictory principles or concepts present themselves.

I will try to give an example, but I need to lay the groundwork first.

Bakocarl: “Paul tells us in Romans 13:1–8 that it is the government’s responsibility to rule in authority over us—hopefully for our good…”

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Ideally that would be true. In practice, it almost never is, which our Founding Fathers clearly and often quite eloquently pointed out, and prepared our Constitution based on their understanding of human nature, in such a way as to safeguard We the People from the inevitable corruption which invariably permeates all human governments everywhere.

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Bakocarl: “—to collect taxes, and to keep the peace.”

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Collecting taxes appears to nearly always redound to simple theft in the hands of an abusive ruler or government, largess to be circulated amongst cronies to preserve power. It is not used to help the People or protect the people, certainly not in any remotely rational proportion compared to the amount extracted.

For example, the criminals who stole our government don’t stop the invasion of our southern border, but they sent hundreds of billions to (supposedly) support Ukraine’s government and protect their border. The only people TPTB (and the Powers that Tax) are serving and protecting are themselves, and everybody knows it.

Our nation survived quite well for 137 years without an income tax, before the “central banking cartel” was brought back into our nation (Andrew Jackson having kicked them out once already, IIRC), and the ‘IRS’ was created as their debt collectors. IIRC, both happened in 1913. One or both happened just before Christmas recess, when many of our so-called representatives had left Washington, and the legislation was pushed through in the middle of the night.

There is no new thing under the sun.

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Bakocarl: “Where we have a voice and can elect our leaders, we should exercise that right by voting for those who best demonstrate Christian principles.”

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Very much agreed with that conclusion. And we should remember that this right — and all others — are given by God, not by men. Inalienable (and unalienable).

Bakocarl referenced Romans 13:1-8.

I want to look at that next, but this post is already long enough, so I will make it a separate post.

scott467

Romans 13, verses 1-8.

“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. [5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. [6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. [7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.” (Romans 13:1-8, KJV)

This entire passage is predicated on the presumption that the ‘powers’ are acting in accordance with their responsibilities, and not according to corruption.

For example, if any ruler commanded everyone to bow down and worship a golden image, no Christian (or Jew) should follow that command, because God is a higher Authority than any human ruler. So we are to follow God’s rule first, and the rule of men secondarily, insofar as the rule of men does not contradict the rule of God.

And in our case, the ‘rule of men’ is us, for we have no Caesar or king. We have, quite literally, hirelings.

Our Founding Fathers were well aware that “The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.” (John 10:13, KJV).

Our entire system of checks and balances was created in order to manage the self-interests of corruptible men [hirelings] — pitting the judicial branch against the legislative branch, and the legislative branch against the executive branch, and vice-versa — to prevent government from becoming all-powerful, because our Founding Fathers were keenly aware that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Bill of Rights was created to ensure that whatever corruption did invariably infiltrate our government, could never usurp the rights of the individual.

This brings us back to the distinction I referenced in my first post, that we are not subject to any monarch, we are self-governed. In America, we are our own rulers.

Therefore and obviously, the responsibility falls to us to govern ourselves. Is that not what has historically been referred to as American’s “Grand Experiment”?

It truly is a ‘grand experiment’. One that is faltering badly, because We the People have not been vigilant. It seems senseless to hope or expect the same corrupt people who have done their best to bring our nation to ruin would self-correct.

And it’s not even their job, it’s ours — because We the People are the rulers in America, not the hirelings, a.k.a. our wicked servants.

To the extent that we should ever pay taxes — which we did not, until 1913 — we are paying them to ourselves, for our own benefit — not for the benefit of some fat-cat monarch.

Render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar — except we have no Caesar, we have We the People — ergo, to the extent that we render unto the government, we render unto ourselves.

That is our system as it was designed and created, and unless our nation was founded and our system created over the objection of and against the will of God — which is not possible — it would certainly appear that our nation and our system was acceptable to Him.

We have further evidence of this acceptance in the great blessings which have been bestowed on our nation, and by extension, on the world, in that it is entirely possible the entire world would be speaking German — from the 1940s to this day, in unimaginable tyranny — if it was not for our nation.

So there is indeed something different about America, and always has been. A “grand experiment” in self-governance, seemingly and apparently approved by God.

I didn’t get to Romans 13:1-8 yet, or what might be called “The Hitler Conundrum“.

I’ll do that next.

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Aubergine

Since God exists outside of time, America was not a surprise to him. He has seen it from its beginning to its end, whenever that may be.

And He knew Germany would do what it did, and he knew what America would do.

The fact that we “rule ourselves” is a gift that we have squandered for the last 100 years or so. I pray that we turn it all around. I don’t know how exactly that will happen, but I have faith that it will. Listen for God. He’ll tell us what to do.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

AMEN.

Aubergine

🙂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Listen for God. He’ll tell us what to do.

Not all of us necessarily at the same time. That’s important.

Aubergine

This is true. We may appear to be at cross purposes at times.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

The actual history of the American Revolution and the Civil War are both instructive.

Aubergine

History is my thing, as you know. How it all actually played out is very interesting. I, for example, have ancestors who are found on both lists of Loyalists and on Revolutionary War pay lists. They either started out as loyal to Britain and switched sides, or pretended to be Loyalists to escape some persecution. People switched sides as things played out. It will be the same now.

scott467

“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.” (Romans 13:1, KJV)

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So did God ordain Hitler to power? Was it God’s intention and purpose to murder 11+ million people in extermination camps?

God cleansed the entire planet before, saving only Noah and his family, so it is possible.

But if God ordained Hitler and Mussolini and Hirohito to power, and Stalin, then God also ordained Roosevelt and Churchill (and the other leaders of the Allied powers who opposed the Axis powers) to power.

Was God opposing Himself? Was God double-minded? We know He is not. (cf. James 1:8, James 4:8, and many others).

So if God ordained the leaders of warring nations to power, who should the People follow?

Was it right and just and in accordance with Scripture for the German people (and people of the Axis nations) to follow Hitler, and the people of the Allied nations to follow Roosevelt and Churchill?

Are we to be mindless and without discernment, regarding good and evil?

Can we bow down and worship the golden image?

Can we shove people into gas chambers by the millions, and blame it on God, saying “I am subject to the higher power who was ordained by God, so here’s your Zyklon-B canister, now get in the shower?”

Or ought we defer to the Highest Power there is or ever can be, which is God Almighty?

If we read Romans chapter 13 as being 100% literal and without exception, then are we not reduced to mindless automatons, potentially engaged in genocide, by the “authority” of God’s ordained rulers?

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“[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.”

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Again, if “the power” is “good” (as the entire passage appears to mean), then naturally those who resist would be against ‘good’, i.e., ‘bad’. This clearly appears to be the context, i.e., follow the law and do good, otherwise the government, which is ordained by God, will punish (i.e., does not bear the sword in vain).

But what if “the power” is clearly not good, e.g., Hitler, or Mussolini, or Stalin, or Mao… or Hussein, or Soros, or Gates, or Schwab, or Trudeau, or Ardern, or Bojo, or Morrison, or Macron, et al?

Are we to ‘follow’ them to our own destruction — or even at all?

And do the subjects of Monarchy (UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and others) have a different requirement upon them compared to the free People of America, whose rulers are themselves?

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“[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:”

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When was the last time our wicked servants in government praised anyone for doing good, as they doggedly set about opposing God, often to the point of implying their allegiance to Satan, while bringing our nation to ruin?

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“[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.”

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So then are we not required to discern between good and evil?

Were the Nazis and Gestapo and brown-shirts doing ‘good’ when they kicked in doors and rounded up women and children and elderly (and even the lowliest of all, regular men), either murdering them on the spot, or sending them to death camps?

What about the KGB?

Are the FIB and DOJ and CDC and NIAID and WHO and U.N. and DoS, et al, doing ‘good’ by attempting to exterminate the entire population of earth? And even if one doesn’t believe that is their cause, it is not debatable that they did everything in their power to prevent the People from obtaining treatment which TPTB knew would save their lives, i.e., HCQ and Ivermectin.

These are monsters on a scale far greater than Hitler dared to dream.

What are we doing about it, if we should do anything about it, at all?

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“[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. [6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.”

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Set aside for the moment that in America, we are self-governed, subject to no monarch (or Caesar), but subject to ourselves — so that any tribute paid is being paid to ourselves.

Set aside also (for the moment) that if We the People are the ‘ruling power’ in America, is it not therefore (and likewise, and necessarily) ‘ordained of God’? (cf. Romans 13:1)

Are our wicked servants and hirelings “attending continually” upon anything remotely resembling “good”?

Could we begin to convince ourselves of such a thing, even if we tried our best?

Much less executing “wrath upon him that doeth evil”?

Or are TPTB the ones who are doing evil, and executing their wrath against those who have done no wrong — or worse — executing their wrath against those who are attempting to oppose their evil?

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“[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.”

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So if We the People are the rulers in America — by explicit and purposeful design of our Founding Fathers (and in the context of history, apparently with the blessings of God)…

…and it is our wicked servants and hirelings who have lawlessly usurped the rightful and lawful Authority of We the People

…and it is these same wicked hirelings and servants who are doing great evil, openly before all, doing so without credible dispute…

…then what is their just “due” for such wickedness and lawlessness?

If We the People are the rulers in America — by both the letter and the spirit of the law, and with the blessing and approval of God as evidenced by history…

Then who bears the obligation and responsibility for ‘rendering’ the wicked servants their due?

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scott467

If We the People are the ruling power in America, then who is it who “beareth not the sword in vain“?

If We the People are the ruling power in America, then who is it that is “a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil“?

piper567

Scott, thank you for this valuable dissection of these passages.

scott467

I don’t know if I am correct. I think I am, or I would not present the argument as I have, but I always welcome correction if I am in error.

My desire is to do what is good and right and true, in accordance with God’s will.

My concern is that we, as a nation, are not.

TradeBait2

My view:

1 Philippians 1:21 – “For to me, to live is Christ, to die is gain.”

We transferred our citizenship from the world and America to an eternal home in Heaven. Death has lost its sting. My concern is for those impacted by the evil that God has promised to avenge. He did not promise to let me know how or when that may happen.

We know from scripture He desires none to be lost. We know he turns people over to their sins when they refuse to repent. He allows their hearts to become hardened like Pharaoh unto destruction and death.

That would include the modern day versions.

We just don’t always like His answers, methods or timing. We want the white hat riding to the rescue solution. God’s chosen were subject to being ruled over by many horrible leaders/nations, are we better than they? A remnant of believers would survive to rebuild. It happens every time a nation turns from God, who first dedicated themselves to God. This is important – America dedicated itself to God at its founding. The leftists have been trying to rewrite that narrative for centuries now in every aspect of American life. We the People have allowed that to happen.

Peaceful protest. Shut it down. Stay home or go en masse – peacefully. The walls of Jericho will come crumbling down without the first round being fired.

Satan is now thrashing us like wheat and God is permitting it because He has removed the veil of protection due to our national sins. Yes, We the People are the rightful leaders. We the People stood down and fell for pure BS over many years perpetrated by the Father of All Lies and his crony demons. We need national repentance and a turning of our hearts back to our Creator and his Son for the white hats to be empowered to restore this nation – via God, not man. The legal rights to do so are already there in this world.

When and how that happens will be directed by Him. Until that time we are to resist evil in our own lives and influence everybody we can to do likewise while giving God’s plan of salvation – Jesus- to anybody who will listen. If we stay in communion with the Lord at all times, we will know what we should do.

JMO.

scott467

“We transferred our citizenship from the world and America to an eternal home in Heaven.”

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And yet Paul used his Roman citizenship when it was beneficial to him to do so.

In Acts 16, he used his citizenship as a means to put fear into those who had himself and Silas beaten:

“And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go. [36] And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace. [37] But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out. [38] And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans.” (Acts 16:35-38, KJV, boldface mine)

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When the chief captain rescued Paul from the Jewish mob, Paul informed the captain that he was a Roman citizen when he desired to speak to the mob:

“But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.” (Acts 21:39, boldface mine)

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In Acts 22, Paul used his Roman citizenship again to spare himself from being scourged, and to put fear into the guards:

“[24] The chief captain commanded him to be brought into the castle, and bade that he should be examined by scourging; that he might know wherefore they cried so against him.

[25] And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?

[26] When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.

[27] Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

[28] And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

[29] Then straightway they departed from him which should have examined him: and the chief captain also was afraid, after he knew that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him.” (Acts 22:24-29, boldface mine)

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I found this article on the subject:

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Excerpt: “Paul’s citizenship acted as a shield against the worst of the Roman Empire’s cruelties. He could not simply be imprisoned, flogged or killed without a trial. He was far from safe. Unlike the other Apostles, however, Rome could not simply make Paul conveniently disappear. Roman officials had to follow official policy when dealing with Paul.

This allowed him, in many ways, to be bolder than many other early Christians when it came to spreading the Gospel as he had fewer potential repercussions to fear. In fact, his citizenship meant that Roman officials had to keep Paul safe even when others wanted him dead.

In Acts 23, Claudius Lysias “came with the guard and rescued [Paul]” when Paul was “seized by the Jews and about to be killed by them” after he learned that Paul was a Roman citizen. Claudius Lysias also provided “two hundred soldiers, seventy horsemen and two hundred spearmen” in order to transport Paul to Caesarea safely when group of Jews plotted to kill an arrested Paul.”
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Aubergine

Complex subject. I don’t know the answers.

Robert Baker

The best example I can think of on this topic was in the Book of First Samuel which recounts a conversation between God and the prophet about the Jews clamoring for a king. I Samuel chapter 8 refers to this conversation. God was unhappy with the Jews because He was to be their king but he relented because of the incessant whining of the people.

So my view is that God was to be our Ruler and we His subjects but, as usual for our species, God’s way was not our first choice.

TradeBait2

My first thoughts exactly, Robert. Prior to the kings it was the judges. Never satisfied with a direct pipeline to the Creator.

Like Aubergine, I need to ponder Scott’s post a bit more. Which makes it a really good post.

WSB

Well stated, Robert. Our founders wanted to be rid of tyrannical rulers, knowing that God was the ultimate ruler.

In reading through a synopsis of The Confederation of States, it was very clear what our founders wanted…until the money ran out, it seems. There was no mechanism to keep a CONGRESS in place after the Confederation, from what I can tell. And of course, our eventual Constitution identified other protection of God-given rights and enumerated powers.

The original idea, Confederation of States, seems to be in the direction of Man with the closest connection to God, to determine his own path.

Just a few years after the Revolutionary War, however, James Madison and George Washington were among those who feared their young country was on the brink of collapse. With the states retaining considerable power, the central government had insufficient power to regulate commerce. It could not tax and was generally impotent in setting commercial policy. Nor could it effectively support a war effort. Congress was attempting to function with a depleted treasury; and paper money was flooding the country, creating extraordinary inflation.”

Thus, the push for a federalized government. Was that the best solution? Maybe not.

And please remember that in the original commerce clause, ‘REGULATION’, by definition in the 1700’s was ‘to make commerce regular’, not to hold it back by ‘regulations’, which Congress has usurped, IMHO.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/articles-of-confederation

Valerie Curren

Excellent points alll!!! TY

GA/FL
RAC

What on earth is this?
An attempt to wriggle out of the jab disaster?
An ironic joke?
Or the lead in to controlling stuff like HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamins, etc.
5 minute read…

https://www.who.int/news/item/16-09-2022-who-calls-for-urgent-action-by-countries-for-achieving-medication-without-harm

kalbokalbs

Yup. My guess is WHO (UN) is trying to dictate one size fits all medical care. Tried something akin to it a few months ago with WHO dictating global action in future pandemics.

Anything, everything the WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH are for, I am against.

Deleted rant of all the evil they pushed throughout Covidiocy, including Injections, boosters… Trash talked perfectly good meds….

scott467

“Anything, everything the WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH are for, I am against.”

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Me too 👍

Aubergine

They want to have global control of WHAT is prescribed, WHEN, and HOW it is monitored.

CONTROL.

kalbokalbs

N E V E R lose sight of this, 13 of 14 Gotta Go.

^^^ WE, everyday folks, the expendables, are included in the 13. ^^^

Aubergine

Yes.

RDS

CODEX ALIMENTARIUS.

WHO / FAO want to be able to prohibit people getting, say, ivermectin from places like India Mart.
WHO / FAO ultimately, IMO, want to be able to put all supplements, like vitamin C, under “Prescription Only” status and control the amounts that people would be “permitted” to take.
The USDA here is in cahoots with the WHO / FAO / Codex Alimentarius.

Here are a few items related to the WHO / FAO / Codex Alimentarius:

http://www.fao.org/fao-who-codexalimentarius/en/

http://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/us-codex-program-strategic-plan.pdf

http://www.fao.org/fao-who-codexalimentarius/meetings/detail/en/?meeting=CCSCH&session=6
Meeting of the Codex Committee on Spices and Culinary Herbs
September 26 – October 10, 2022
Virtual meeting
The purpose of this meeting is to draft “proposals” on the regulation of:
Dried Saffron
Dried or Dehydrated Chili Peppers and Paprika
Dried Seeds such as Nutmeg
Small Cardamom
Spices derived from Dried Fruits and Berries (allspice / juniper berry / star anise / vanilla)
Proposed draft requirements for Turmeric

The “Update to the template for the Spices and Culinary Herbs (SCH) Standards” will be uploaded on 6 December 2022.

GA/FL

This site is meticulously documenting the numbers of athletes dying or having heart problems after receiving Covid 19 vaccines. Check often for updates.

9/17/22 – 1350 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 919 Dead, After COVID Injection
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

GA/FL

Meme from Powerline….

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Prediction – Charles III won’t make it 10 more years.

Aubergine

That looks like some pretty serious fluid-retention right there. Probably high blood pressure and associated meds would be my guess.

GA/FL

A doctor in our family said – heart and/or renal problems.

Aubergine

There are so many ailments that can cause edema, it’s hard to guess.

GA/FL

Liver disease – Cirrhosis – is also a possibility – https://www.healthline.com/health/water-retention#complications

TheseTruths

I imagine the death of his grandmother has had a huge impact on William, aside from sadness at her loss. He is now next in line, and his father is not young. Charles doesn’t look like he is in excellent health. He and Camilla have aged a lot over the past few years. It’s interesting because QEII aged too, of course, but things always seemed calm and steady surrounding her, and I never got the impression that her health could fail at any time.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

There’s a picture that has popped up a lot lately, of Charles and his mother seated on thrones at parliament (it would have to have been at least a couple of years ago). He looks beet red, worse than his mother.

Of course this could just be the media playing “beet red man” games like the Orange Man they did with Trump.

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phoenixrising

https://t.me/s/sv_lavrov

Trump said that Democrats and Biden , in an attempt to win elections, are releasing strategic oil reserves – as a result, after the election of a new Senate, the price of fuel in the United States could double in an attempt to bring down fuel prices before the elections. According to him, in order to win the upcoming elections to the Senate and the House of Representatives, Democrats are also spreading disinformation, including about Russia.

However, Trump noted that immediately after the election, fuel prices could double. Now the US authorities are releasing 1 million barrels of oil per day from reserves, in addition, up to 12 million barrels are being produced daily.

As a result, the price of fuel has indeed fallen, but it may soon jump – on Wednesday, strategic reserves reached their lowest level since 1984. This is also evidenced by the fact that the oil industry previously refused to export fuel to Europe – even the United States may not have enough capacity.

phoenixrising

“Ukraine. Figurehead of Washington”: The Spanish Rebelion writes that Ukraine will not be able to repay the debts of the United States and will pay for the military assistance of the West with its territories.

“Ukraine, after the coup d’état in February 2014, which meant the triumph of the ultra-right and positions inclined towards Washington and NATO, became a destabilizing actor in the region and a conductor of a policy of maximum pressure on Russia. Ukraine has become a tool of the US administration to implement their hegemonic interests at various levels. Western powers such as the US, France, Britain and Germany primarily seek to subjugate Russia and make it bear the enormous burden of conducting military operations that benefit only the large military-industrial conglomerates, but do not benefit the peoples.

A Europe that, in addition to being embroiled in conflict with unforeseen consequences, is rapidly approaching winter and has a high likelihood that its economy will suffer as a result of reduced oil and gas imports. In this climate of uncertainty and sanctions against Moscow, the weakest sections of society suffer the most. And in this, European countries feel the brunt of high inflation rates, the colossal rise in fuel prices and the protest of the population, which is still in its infancy, but can lead to large-scale social explosions.

At present, Western countries, especially European ones, are under enormous pressure and economic difficulties as a result of economic management subordinated to the requirements of the United States, which has placed the policy of sanctions against Russia above any considerations of the peoples of the world. Thus, an arms trade is imposed, which implies that Kyiv must purchase obsolete military equipment and make its economy dependent on orders and supplies. And that at some point, sooner rather than later, you will have to pay.

Ukrainians, as a society, with their future development will have to pay for the renewal of their arsenals and at the same time witness huge corruption. Bloomberg points out that Ukrainian assets are already pledged on the basis of paying for the services of foreign advisers, mercenaries, services and logistical support, in addition to Western software, which creates dependence on Western industry and, therefore, the impossibility of own and independent development, accompanied by debt.

Ukraine, having submitted to the West, completely laid the foundation for the future of the next generations of its population. Evidence of this is the signing by US President Joe Biden of the “Lend-Lease” law, which consists mainly in facilitating military supplies with future payment. This law will allow Ukraine to borrow about $ 100 billion.

Thus, a serious threat to the sovereignty of this European country is concretized, and this will undoubtedly mean that if it is impossible to pay the debt, Ukrainian political cliques will be forced to place their territory at the disposal of US and NATO troops. By creating dozens of military bases, as they did with Germany after the Second World War, by creating strict lease conditions. And they will promote investments, which mean the privatization of Ukrainian energy services and access to the food industry. Ukraine is digging its own grave, showing that it is on its way to becoming Washington’s main figurehead in Europe, becoming the spearhead of the interests of the energy lobby and the military-industrial complex of this country.

phoenixrising

Neocons/JAZIS ‘wet dream’ …

RAC

All the more reason for Putin to take the whole of ukraine, totally de-nazify it and use it as a peaceful buffer.

kalbokalbs

Locally. Regular gas has risen $0.38 past two weeks.

Regular gas (today $4.79) MORE than double when BiteMe installed ($2.18).

duchess01

Verse of the Day for Sunday, September 18, 2022

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” 

2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV)

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!!!

duchess01

BE MY VOICE

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BABY LIVES MATTER

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JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN

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duchess01

PRAYING ON THE ARMOR OF GOD

Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow, that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ.

AMEN.

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duchess01

PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER

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RAC

These UAV’s have been mentioned a few times in the last week or so, surprised me as I thought they’d keep quiet about their sources of supply.
Now I think the RF is trolling nato, maybe tempting them to make some kind of terroristic attack on the planes, which I think only fly overland of countries not in the nato bag…
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“Iranian cargo planes continue to fly from Tehran to Moscow with enviable frequency. This week alone (September 12-18), there are at least four cargo flights from airlines owned by the Iranian military. IL-76 of Pouya Air airline (owned by Iran’s IRGC) made three such flights and one more flight of a cargo Boeing-747 of Saha airline (owned by the Iranian Army)”

https://t.me/intelslava/37373
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“The first photos of the consequences of the use of Shahed-136 Iranian kamikaze drones by Russian troops (localized as Geran UAVs) appeared on the Web

A drone hit an enemy self-propelled gun.”

https://t.me/intelslava/37374
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phoenixrising

via Zerohedge

Violence In California Reaches “Epidemic” Levels As Our Society Rapidly Deteriorates All Around Us

Authored by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

I can’t understand why anyone would still want to live in California.  Yes, there are lots of high paying jobs and the weather is very nice, but crime is completely and utterly out of control. As you will see below, a new report that has just been issued is warning that violence in the state has now reached “epidemic” levels. The police are doing what they can to try to contain the violence, but at this point they are vastly outnumbered by the predators. Sadly, this is the end result of literally decades of cultural rot, and what is happening in California is going to happen to the rest of the nation if we do not take urgent action to turn things around.

con’t at link

kalbokalbs

NYC. Lunatic with a HATCHET terrorizes McDougal’s.

  • Dunno the whole story.
  • Does NOT matter.
  • Stay out of Blue Shot Holes.

Stick with it…~2 minutes.

TheseTruths

When the guy first started acting out, some other guys tried to stop him. But I don’t understand why people didn’t run out of there, especially when he started wielding the hatchet. The girl seated at the table could have been killed. She had the opportunity to flee but didn’t do so. I’ve seen enough videos of drug-influenced people doing crazy things that I would have left as soon as he started acting weird. Getting a video or satisfying curiosity is not worth getting injured or killed.

kalbokalbs

Yup. Bizarre in many ways.

cthulhu

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WSB

The girl would have had to exit through the incident taking place in order to get out of the restaurant.

pgroup2

He forgot his backpack.

  :wpds_lol: 

kalbokalbs

MeThinks his friend with the other bicycle had it. Dunno for sure.

phoenixrising
TheseTruths

Very nice!

phoenixrising

para59r

Definitely had a cultural impact similar to “All in the Family”, but not for the better.

Gingersmom2009

If we weren’t retired, we’d for sure be opening up with this gem today. This version (Holst tune – Perry text – Proulx arrangement) is the real deal, with all the bells and whistles. In C, so the descants really ring and all the low pedals are used. For wind band or brass band it’s Bb for the obvious reason, and many hymnals are in Bb for basic congregational singing. I hope this posts OK, and the music isn’t gargantuan. This is worth the 5 minutes. 😊

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O God Beyond All Praising / I Vow To Thee My Country

(I see that the video lists Hope Publishing. That’s wrong, the Proulx arrangement is at GIA Publications.)

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TheseTruths

Beautiful!

Gingersmom2009

This is a top 3 hymn arrangement for me, absolutely. But the tune is so spectacular, you could sing it SATB in Bb with a single trumpet adding spice and it’s still a stunner.

And tomorrow it will return to the original “I Vow To Thee My Country”. 👍🏻

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Thank you.

Holst actually adapted this from a melody in the central part of the Jupiter movement from his Planets Symphony (written in 1914-1917, melody adapted to I Vow To Thee My Country in 1921). I knew about that piece before I knew of the hymn, so it was a bit of a surprise when I made that discovery about 10 years ago.

Apparently when Holst was given the commission to set “I Vow To Thee My Country” to set it to music, he was so overworked he was relieved to discover it fit the theme he had already written for the Jupiter movement. Done!

Gingersmom2009

I didn’t know all the details of the tune — just that it’s from Jupiter. With all the weak drivel that passes for modern hymns and “Christian” music, an arrangement of this caliber is so rare. Actually it’s already “dated”, 1988. 😄

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Glad you brought it. I played it twice. I might just play it again, too.

Gingersmom2009

The only negative is the virtual choir, you can hear the difference with the artificial reverb. But I’ve played it a few times myself. 😄

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WSB

That was gorgeous!

This was Princess Diana’s favorite hymn.

Gingersmom2009

Yes, I remember. Thaxted is quite a tune.

Deplorable Patriot

Actually, the Proulx arrangement, I practically know by heart, I’ve sung it so many times. The descant on verse three…it feels so good to sing up there.

In fact, between three Masses last weekend and the funeral on Thursday just past, I’ve sung that hymn four times in the last nine days.

Tonawanda

Reminds one how quaint is the notion of having a country.

Tonawanda

Tears.

phoenixrising

Global Intel

Nancy Pelosi in Armenia : Armenia is free to choose whether or not to interact with other entities (CSTO). We noted that they are upset about only receiving fact-finders and no defense from that entity. The purpose of our visit and discussions is to hear from Armenia’s perspective how we can be helpful and that has been a good part of our discussion thus far.

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via Bellum Acta

The US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi and a delegation paid tribute to the victims of the Armenian Genocide at the Tsitsernakaberd Memorial Complex.

The RA National Assembly Chairman Alen Simonyan accompanied Pelosi.

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Note: National Assembly often referred to as the Parliament o Armenia…
Turkey facilitated cease fire which has held three days so far …
https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/turkiye-promotes-peace-as-azerbaijan-armenia-tension-rises
Piglosi makes her trip to Russia’s ally (Armenia) during the cease fire
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Typical Cabal move… C_A creates problem (Armenia – Azerbaijan)

Then The West/USA magically appears to ‘fix the problem’

para59r

“Pelosi and a delegation paid tribute to the victims of the Armenian Genocide at the Tsitsernakaberd Memorial Complex.” Trying to stir up the Turks?

kalbokalbs

Piglosi, “Make A War”, delegation.

mollypitcher5

This^^^^^^^

phoenixrising

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8770

A bus in Latvia: “Seats for the Russian-speaking people are in the back of the bus only”

pgroup2

So the Russian speakers should sit silently in the front of the bus and say thank you to the driver when exiting. In Russian.

singingsoul1

Strange today I could only access qtree through WP ? Wonder if it is my computer or something is wrong?

phoenixrising

Video: Biden Arrives in London For Queen Elizabeth’s Funeral – The Number Of People Who Were There To Greet Him Will Surprise Even The Biggest Critics Of POTUS

You don’t need to click – I’ll post link if you insist …

THREE people … one of whom was the U.>S. Ambassador to the UK

FTA : snip ” … The only representative from the UK was the Lord Lieutenant of Essex. We couldn’t identify the third one.
Biden got three people to welcome him but had a huge motorcade arranged for him!”

https://defiantamerica.com/video-biden-arrives-in-london-for-queen-elizabeths-funeral-the-number-of-people-who-were-there-to-great-him-will-surprise-even-the-biggest-critics-of-potus/

TheseTruths

Thanks. I can’t bear to watch JB doing what should be PDJT’s honor. I’m glad there was no fanfare for him.

phoenixrising

I didn’t know he produced any … I probably only saw 1 1/2 shows out of the many.

phoenixrising

oops, thought I was posting at Marica’s 😉

do we still have an edit button? can someone delete?

TheseTruths

You can edit but it has to be done within a certain time frame. (It happens to us all. 😊)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Not only that, but the minute someone responds, it’s uneditable, even if it’s only five seconds later.

So, by asking if we still had an edit button (as a response to the post you wanted to edit), you did an own goal.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

More helpfully, if you hover over the lower right hand corner of your post (at least on my screen all comments are on a very, very light gray rectangular background, go to the lower right of that), you should see a gear (if you’re still allowed to edit); you can get to edit from here by right clicking on the gear, but it sometimes seems as if you have to hold your mouth right as you move the mouse onto the word “edit”

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phoenixrising

TY Steve!

mollypitcher5

The ostentatious motorcade did get lots of sneering mention in Brit social media

phoenixrising

Good!

TheseTruths

Catturd turns 58 today. He wanted #HappyBirthdayCatturd to trend #1 on Twitter, and people made it happen.

Also … 4 years ago today when I turned 54, I decided to get on social media for the 1st time in my life. I chose the name Catturd never thinking I’d get more than 100 followers. I had no idea what I was doing and it took me months to figure out Twitter – 😂

TheseTruths

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You made it this long by not having to deal with the Biden administration until a bit less than two years ago.

TheseTruths

Two years too long!

TheseTruths

Two years too many!

TheseTruths

GWP: EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Committee Releases Alleged Violent “Walkie-Talkie” Recording from J-6 Protests — BUT THEY LIED AND GOT CAUGHT – The People on the Call WERE NOT EVEN AT CAPITOL!

On Thursday the January 6th Select Committee released a new audio they claim was a walkie-talkie app of communications among Oath Keepers inside the US Capitol and outside the Capitol on January 6th.

The J6 Committee published the alleged audio with video of January 6 protesters peacefully walking inside the US Capitol that day.

“Via the J6 Committee: The Select Committee has obtained a recording of communications over a walkie-talkie app among Oath Keepers who were inside the Capitol and others who were sharing intelligence from elsewhere.

“Listen to how they reacted to President Trump’s 2:38 tweet in real-time.”

Liz Cheney and her J6 Committee members COMPLETELY misled the American public once again!

But this time they got caught.

On Saturday Attorney Jonathon Moseley wrote The Gateway Pundit. John told us the latest video pumped out by the January 6 Committee about intercepted walkie-talkie communications is a lie.

John tells us the recording was not at the US Capitol and was not from walkie-takies.

Quotes from Attorney Moseley:

As the former attorney representing Kelly Meggs, I received that recording over ZELLO from the prosecution team on October 19, 2021.

That is I can speak from personal, direct, first-hand knowledge that this is a 2 hour 20 minute recording of people watching TV.

This is NOT Oath Keepers at the Capitol.

These are NOT Walkie-talkie calls (which would mean they could only be intercepted within a short distance of the Capitol.

GWP:

Jonathon then tells us the recording was provided earlier to defense attorneys by the federal government. And — according to Attorney Jonathon Moseley — The recording IS NOT from the US Capitol. It was a recording of people watching the news on TV!

Moseley:

I know this including from how it was described by the U.S. Government when the recording was provided to the defense attorneys.

First, notice there is NO crowd noise on the recording. This is NOT a recording from the US Capitol. No one on this recording is at the US Capitol.

This is a recording of people all over the country watching the news on TV.

What they are describing is what they are seeing ON TV.

GWP:

The J6 Committee released this video to the American public. The government therefore blew away the confidentiality of the recording and placed it in the public record.

So any previous restriction that there may have been on the recording was released by Congress’ public disclosure of the record.

The January 6th committee took a fake audio and combined it with a video of peaceful protesters walking inside the US Capitol and tried to push this lie on the American public.

Liar, liar, 👖on 🔥‼️

mollypitcher5

Corrupticrats doing what they do knowing no consequence will occur.

phoenixrising

Is this for real? a hoax?

TheseTruths

I noticed that flag as PDJT was leaving the stage last night. It appears to be backstage behind the curtains. I don’t know why it appears to have no stars.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

If you look closely you can see where the stars should be…it’s not a uniform flat blue, there’s texture to it.

I’m suspecting some weird trick of the light.

TheseTruths

A theory which might be totally off: It might be a special flag made with stitching in the blue part, and the lighting and the stitching made the stars look black. Since it departs from the flag rules, it was not on display out front. It does seem as if they wanted it to be seen, though.

I can’t find any corroberation of it signaling the “enemy that further aggression on their part will mean total annihilation, complete destruction or obliteration, If your the enemy and you choose to surrender you be treated well. [sic]”

It would be “fun” if that were true and the intended message, but I find it odd that no one has heard of this before or seen any historical pics of such a thing. It seems very odd to me for a country to use a different flag to send a message to the enemy, when the flag itself is the symbol of the country’s pride and strength. I would love to see some evidence to show that it was a message to the enemy.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Agreed on all points.

Aubergine

Looked at closely, it is textured using thread. It is a technique called honeycomb smocking:

https://www.professorpincushion.com/professorpincushion/honeycomb-smocking/

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Thanks.

Aubergine

🙂

I’ve been sewing since I was a toddler. Literally. My grandmother put a needle and thread in my hand when I was three or four and showed me how to make stitches.

wowohwow1528

It looks like “tucking”? … I think it’s a quilting technique.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yeah, I eventually realized that! Thanks!

pat frederick

in the replies to that tweet phoenix…
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phoenixrising

Thank you Pat …

GA/FL
GA/FL

Reddit says it is a reference to the movie A.I.

Future flag of the USA, according to movie A.I. No stars at all! from vexillology

gil00

I havent paid attention in 2 days…and this shows up along w covid is gone and digital currency. This is interesting.

GA/FL
phoenixrising

Thanks Georgia

GA/FL

Also means OCCUPIED America – scroll down

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fic-usa.html

litenmaus

GA/FL…My interpretation is that it is a fictional flag…perhaps I am wrong, but I don’t believe a no star flag exists in recognized US flag rosters.

kalbokalbs

THIS.

GA/FL

Quote from link above: “No Stars on the Flag – Posted on September 18, 2022 by Constitutional Nobody – AENN

There were no stars on the flag last night as President Trump entered and exited the stage. For those who don’t know what an American flag without the stars means you have to ask someone whose been in the military. The simple answer is surrender. American flag without the stars tells your enemy that further aggression on their part will mean total annihilation, complete destruction or obliteration, If your the enemy and you choose to surrender you be treated well. President Trump was sending deep state a message.”

TheseTruths

Some people are saying the stars are there but that they’re black. Well, that is not an American flag, then. The stars on the U.S. flag are white.

It is also different in that the blue area has a quilted effect. That had to be done on purpose and is not a trick of light. The US flag is not quilted or puffy and it doesn’t have stitching on the blue part.

phoenixrising

I saw that too TT when I zoomed in …

Deplorable Patriot

Please, be careful with this. That camera angle on the stage last night was specific to Real America’s Voice. No one else has it. This is the only image I can find of it.

Was it really there? No way to know.

TheseTruths

I saw it live while watching the rally on the RSBN feed on this site.

RAC

There is a recording of the RSBN (Rumble) video OT and it looks real enough.

TheseTruths

Yes, I saw it in real time.

phoenixrising

I wondered myself if it was ‘doctored’

ty DePat … I have not taken it anywhere else.

GA/FL

Evidently, it’s meant to be a symbolic piece or a decorative piece….

The blue field is quilted with folds like a stained glass quilt and there are two metallic gold stripes.

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GA/FL

I’m wondering if Melania, who, throughout Trump’s tenure, used symbols in clothing and design to send messages, designed this flag, either made it herself or commissioned it, to symbolize the USA being ‘occupied by enemy’.  – scroll down – https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fic-usa.html

kalbokalbs

Looks like a piece of blue material carefully laid (pinned?) over the “stars”.

More than anything, I take it t be trolling.

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RAC

That’s how it appeared to me as well, I thought the creases or the way it hung looked a bit like quilting.
However if one wanted to temporally alter the appearance without permanently defacing the flag that is the way to do it. Could have been trolling or a PDJT sending a serious message.

kalbokalbs

Yup. My thoughts also.

GA/FL

Our VSGPDJT is a master troller!

kalbokalbs

🙂

GA/FL

VSGPDJT is a master of trolling. He’s sending us important coded messages all the time – while trolling and messing with the enemy.

Way back during the 2016 campaign – one New Yorker, also from Queens, said “that’s what us Queens guys do – we mess wit-choo.”

RAC

From your link I went onto this page…
https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-1912g.html#gol
And there it mentions gold stripes.

“From U.S. Army Quartermaster Museum:
” I believe each stripe represents a particular amount of World War II deceased personnel. I will check, but I think each gold stripe stands for 50000. It was idea that arose from the U.S. Army Quartermaster Depot in Philadelphia where the flags were made to denote with a special gold stripe a fallen hero. It didn’t matter what rank and it may have helped keep track of how many flags were being made too. Let me do some more research and I will get back to you.”
Luther Hanson, U.S. Army QM Museum, 10 March 2010
More from the QM Museum:
” I was not able to find anything official either heraldic or graves registration wise. I checked all the QM Depot flag photos we have and all the articles on flag manufacturing we have. I do remember an article on the Internet ten years ago that reported seeing at least one gold striped flag on a railroad siding, with many other flagged caskets being transported, and I remember being told the stripe designated the 50000th dead service member. We did locate in the QM Depot records several notes suggesting that it was an idea of either Col. George Christie, Jr., head of manufacturing Division QM Depot, or Mrs. Helen Martin, Chief of the QM Flag Section. During World War II and for 30 years after, Helen was known as the Betsy Ross of the flag Section. So I definitely think it was an internal idea as there are no official plans for these flags with gold stripes to be manufactured. They were a symbolic way to honor the war dead and a way to inventory the flags at the same time. I will keep looking for supporting documentation.”

GA/FL

THANKS SO MUCH, RAC! The appearance of the flag may have deep meaning and an important message from our VSGPDJT to us. well.

GA/FL

TOP TWENTY TWEETS is up!
https://directorblue.blogspot.com/2022/09/top-20-tweets-tonight-look-around-your.html

#6 – !!!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

A lot of people here were condemning the busing of illegals to other places as mere showmanship, but it has made “their” hypocrisy quite plain.

Robert Baker

I don’t think I was one of the ones to whom you are referring but it is showmanship. They are appearing to care without actually doing anything to solve the problem. If anyone needed another example of the Left’s hypocrisy they just flew in from the outer planets.

TheseTruths

I think the Left is calling the Repub governors’ busing illegals to other states showmanship, but when the illegals end up with them (the Left), they also bus them out.

I’m not sure what their excuse is except that they aren’t equipped to handle them. Yet they expect other states to spend resources to be equipped to handle many thousands at once. So if they welcome them so much, why aren’t they equipped to house them?

Tonawanda

It is exactly the type of Alinsky tactic which is highly effective and fun. And the sort of tactic which is rare on our side. The rarity is what is giving people so much delight, IMO.

Gingersmom2009

Just read this . . . David Beckham stood in line for 12 hours, with the crowds, to walk through Westminster Hall. Something about what his grandfather would have expected. Good for him.

TradeBait2

Just saw a CDC TV ad where they tie COVID to co-morbidities. Covert evasion underway. They tell you to take approved meds with an inference to handle the disease. No mention of jabs at all. So, take the other poison if you catch the disease regardless of whether you were jabbed or not.

The worst of luck to you murderers at the CDC.

Tonawanda

They started these exact ads locally on the radio several weeks ago. No mention of shots, like they did not exist. And what I noticed is that they were sponsored by Pfizer.

So, the government runs the ads telling you to get the shots, and Pfizer runs the ads providing non-shot information which would have been useful two years ago.

Very bizarre.

RDS

http://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/09/18/trying-to-normalize-their-evil-jab-consequences/
by Steve Watson

Short Summary by Yours Truly: “All of a sudden”, New York-Presbyterian Hospital is running a commercial regarding raising “awareness” about myocarditis in children. The inference is that myocarditis is a “common condition” among children. The truth is that in 2021 and so far in 2022, after the rollout of the mRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” for children through age 17 (babies age 6 months through toddlers age 5 years were added in June, 2022), reports of myocarditis or percarditis have skyrocketed. Previous to 2021, reports of myocarditis or pericarditis in children were very rare.
The commercial states that myocarditis “is a serious inflammation of the heart.”

Here’s the report (linked in the above article) in JAMA on post-“vaccination” myocarditis in children:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788346
January 25, 2022
“Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 Through August 2021”
The paper looked at people who were “vaccinated” with the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA COVID-19 “vaccine”, BNT162b2; or who were “vaccinated” with the Moderna mRNA COVID-19 “vaccine”, mRNA-1273.
FTA: “Meaning Based on passive surveillance reporting in the US, the risk of myocarditis after receiving mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines was increased across multiple age and sex strata and was the highest after the second vaccination dose in adolescent males and young men.”
(Yours Truly will note that this paper was published before the EUA for these “vaccines” was issued for babies age 6 months through toddlers age 4 years.)

Here are the current stats on myocarditis / pericarditis reports from Open VAERS:
http://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/myo-pericarditis

(Yours Truly will also note that the “new COVID-19 + Omicron BA.4 + Omicron BA.5 booster shot vaccines” that were given the EUA by the FDA in August, 2022, have a COMBINATION of mRNA spike protein from the original Wuhan strain of the virus PLUS mRNA spike protein from the Omicron BA.4 variant PLUS mRNA spike protein from the Omicron BA.5 variant. These “booster shot vaccines” were tested only on mice; every test mouse got infected with COVID after “vaccination” and then being exposed to the virus. The mice were then killed.)

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