Darkness to Light: Eckert's Law

As I’ve said before in the VLWC series, we discover nothing new, but we do rediscover what has been hidden from us by time and craftier people.  Over and over, the truth is hidden and revealed.

Somewhere, a Soviet KGB analyst rediscovered this timeless principle, marveled at it, and filed it away for his next chapter in their manual.  Or maybe it was CIA.  Hard to tell the difference sometimes.

Today, I (re)name a timeless principle of disinformation not for a DISCOVERER, nor for a USER, but rather for a VICTIM.

Darkness to light.

This is actually a special case of a larger and more general principle involving Occam’s razor, which I am treating in a more extensive post.  But for now, this will do.  I marveled at this special case, awakened to the greater totality of 9/11, and why this operation was undoubtedly felt necessary by OUR adversary – those who plot treachery in the dark and war against God.


When the cause of an operation is too advanced or subtle to be detected by an adversary, Occam’s razor will point them to the most likely known potential cause, and this will be accepted and defended by them as the logical explanation.

Eckert’s Law

Happy Thanksgiving, Beverly.  Justice is served.

W

There is a tribe that would not take their money either, Beverly.  Only the tribes that value Truth over money truly begin to understand the Great Mystery.  Just as that tribe is to be respected, so is yours. -W
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phoenixRising

God bless all who stand up for truth. RIP Beverly Eckert…
We will NEVER forget…
Amazing isn’t it… how political activists (so-called journalists) report frequently on those in foreign countries being disappeared or found dead, and criticising the gov’ts of those countries for immoral acts… when all the while, here at home… silence.

phoenixRising

When I “woke”… and once awake, one cannot go back to sleep.
https://twitter.com/Jordan_Sather_/status/1065612884049162242

Linda

Yes, as I was growing up things seemed wrong to me, too. I was 10 when JFK was assassinated. Then we had the Civil Rights movement, the assassinations of Bobby Kennedy and MLK, Jr., the Weather Underground bombings, and of course the Vietnam War and all the demonstrations. I ended up joining the Air Force when things had calmed down somewhat. But I’ve always been extremely cynical about government and never expected anything to change for the better. At least, not until Donald Trump. And now the Q movement. At least now, I know what was really going on below the surface. As dark and troubling as that is, at least I feel something of a relief that I know who the enemy is. And now that the enemy is being exposed, they can be defeated.

JasonD

Yes. They can be defeated. Although extremely powerful in terms of material wealth and positions in The System, they are small in spirit, animated by greed and envy.
Most people are not like this as we are not generally born into this state of being. Most people are for LIFE, initially. Many get corrupted along the way – the point of “them” occupying the institutions of learning – to corrupt more for their cause.
It is their smallness of spirit that will bring them down – it leads them to commit heinous deeds. Exposure of this can shock the many that are unaware into wakefulness. This is the phase we are hopefully about to enter…

phoenixRising

That day, Nov. 22, 1963 is etched in my brain like yesterday. I know exactly where I stood when I heard, exactly what I was wearing. Even recall the days after, up to Thanksgiving on the 28th; that Thanksgiving Thursday I was 25 years old, living alone, away from family in Columbia, S.C. in an apartment complex. One of my neighbors, a complete stranger, had received a smoked turkey in the mail from his mom. We set up folding tables in the corridor and all of us ‘strangers’ brought sides. After lunch, some of us attended the traditional grudge football match between Carolina and Clemson… where six days after, we were still observing ‘moments of silence’ for our President. There was no talk of politics… in fact, mostly silence… and a need of company in our numbness.
In my head I contrast the atmosphere then with today… and I quickly turn from that vision, as I know some fools would be dancing in the streets.

Elizabeth Carter

I was in NC with my small children when it came on the news that JFK had been assassinated. I am not Catholic but I cried for 3 days straight because I lived in a country where that kind of assassination could happen. Tears are in my eyes now as I think of it.
That is when I really woke up. I studied it, read the books, watched the coverups and knew that we were and still are living in the Biggest Lies Ever Told.
President Trump is turning it around now. I believe that God has raised him up to do this. After all these years, I had given up hope of ever being able to stop the Communist takeover of our country.
When Donald Trump came down the escalator and said he would run for President, I knew he was sent by God and started praying for him and for us then. I have not stopped since then. I literally pray unceasingly.
I had no idea who Trump was. I lived in CA 25 years and celebrities are basically trash to me so I had never paid any attention to him. The more I know about him, the more I know that this is his calling and we are finally, after 55 years, taking our country back and in the process helping to take the world back from the edge of the abyss.

phoenixRising

Same here Elizabeth… I read everything I could get my hands on, never ever believed the ‘official story’… it was my wake up call for sure that the ‘government’ is not our friend. We have a great deal in common, you and I.
Very glad you are on this board. 😉 Hope you and Sassy are having a good day.

Elizabeth Carter

Phoenix, We do have a lot in common.
When I moved back to NC from CA I really saw the huge difference in culture. Someone started to open a door for me and I dodged to get out of their way. We moved to CA in 1965 just in time for the Watts riots and I came back here in December 1991.
It is nice to be around so many kind and considerate people again.
Sassy and I are having a very nice day. I roasted a 13 pound Organic Turkey today. It is beautiful. This is the first time since my son died in 2004 that I have done that. I always did that for our family and then when I was alone, I couldn’t even think about the Holidays anymore without great sadness.
This year, I wanted to do it. Sassy and I are a very small family, but we both love turkey. I will freeze my leftovers and have home made frozen dinners whenever I want to feel this way again.
There is hope in my heart now that I have not felt in a very long time. All of you here are contributing to my hope and sense of family. Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless you all.

churchmouse

May God also bless you richly, Elizabeth.
I hope that your turkey was marvellous, an epiphany (revelation) of sorts that now was the time to do it, for whatever reason. It might bring a change. What that is, the Almighty will reveal in due course.
Your closing paragraph is one of the most moving I have read in some time.
I will pray for you in the weeks ahead and am encouraged to read that you feel hope and a sense of family after such a long time.

singularZoe

ChurchMouse, how dear you are. I will be praying for each of you. Blessings.

churchmouse

Thank you very much!
Please pray that my kitchen renovation is completed by February 2019. Who knew when we began in mid-August 2018 that it would be so involved. (I will be spending my 60th birthday on a building site, for what it’s worth). Many thanks in advance, singularZoe.
Although I hesitate to speak on Elizabeth’s behalf — even though I have just done so — your prayers on our behalf are greatly needed and well received.
May God continue to bless you and your family abundantly.

phoenixRising

Family is not always blood… my only child is adopted.
When we lived in Texas while I was at Baylor, and she was away from grandparents, the elderly couple next door were her surrogate grandparents.
“Family” is where you are comfortable… imho
We are creating “family” here…
So glad that you and Sassy had a great day!
God Bless you Elizabeth…

phoenixRising
singularZoe

Elizabeth and P.R., I feel the same about the people on this blog, a little family. Thank you all.

Elizabeth Carter

On 8 chan they pointed out a few days ago that JFK died on 11-22 55 years ago today and the Q Clock runs out today.
It began with JFK in 1963. We will end it now.
1963 was a watershed year.
While some of these events played an important role in the direction of change that affect us today, many of them were lost to much greater, more political events, that I believe put everything into motion.
In 1963 the news media showed women burning their bras as the women’s liberation movement took off with the publishing of “The Feminine Mystique” by Betty Friedan. Martin Luther King was jailed in April and civil unrest was being brought to the forefront. On August 28th the media brought us live coverage of the march on Washington and Dr. Kings famous “I had a dream” speech. The Cuban missile crisis found its way in to our homes and our nation was gearing up for conflict.
By September of 1963 we had lost some very influential people, Pope John XXIII, Robert Frost, and country legend Patsy Cline, to name a few. In the early hours of November 22nd we learned of the quiet passing of C.S. Lewis and hours later we were brought to our knees when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated and our nation mourned.
So you see, while long since forgotten, 1963 could very well have been, one of the most important years since our founding fathers provided us with the Constitution of the United States. Which brings me to one final and extremely important decision that was made during this most provocative year.
On June 17, 1963 the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that any Bible reciting or prayer, in public schools, was deemed unconstitutional. While American’s have endured great prosperity over the past 40 years we have also lost our moral compass and direction. In reviewing the research, data supports 1963 as a focal point, demonstrating a downward slope in our moral and social decline through 2001.
Certainly, one would have to agree that all of these events have had a profound impact on the way our current social structure has been changed. Personally, if I had to choose one specific event that has demonstrated the demoralization of our country, it would have to be the decision of the U.S Supreme Court in June of 1963.
This is from the link Nebraska FIlly provided at November 22, 2018 at 1:14 am. I was had a 2 year old and a 4 year old then. The world changed dramatically and JFK’s assassination was a huge shock to the nation.
https://rense.com/general32/americ.htm
Q says it began with JFK and their takeover will end with JFK today.
Things will change even quicker now than they did then.
We are taking our nation back.
Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=praise+god+from+whom+all+blessings+flow
God Bless President Trump
God Bless America
MAGA

phoenixRising

Thank you for your post Elizabeth.
I was struck by the “55 years since when I was posting” – thinking of Q…
My life has been spent out of sync with those around me… so much so that I developed the habit of keeping my opinions very closed to my chest. Habits are difficult to break, esp old ones. So, I’m thankful that you brought what I could not touch on… out of habit.
Something else Q research board reminds us of with regard to D5…
John Jr.’s date of birth is December 5th (POTUS was friends with John Jr.)
And yes, yes… we are taking our country back.

Covadonga

“Q research board reminds us of with regard to D5…
John Jr.’s date of birth is December 5th (POTUS was friends with John Jr.)”
Phoenix,
Wikipedia lists JFK Jr’s birthday as November 25, 1960. Another site points out that he was born 2 weeks after his father’s election as president (Nov. 8 — actually, 2 weeks plus 3 days, if it’s the 25th.).
That would make his anniversary Sunday, two days from now.
Did the board get his DOB wrong by 10 days, or am I missing something?

NebraskaFilly

This shows his birth date/time as Nov. 25 @ 22 minutes after midnight, if I am reading it right:
https://birthcharts.astro-seek.com/birth-chart/john-f-kennedy-jr-horoscope

phoenixRising

Apparently I have misstated John Jr.’s dob…
I apologize first of all for not checking it out and secondly attributing the incorrect date to the Q research board, as I am not sure where I got 12/5…
Covadonga, thank you for catching this error. Again I apologize to all for the disinformation.

Covadonga

No problem at all, Phoenix. Thanks for clarifying!
Speaking of previous Oval Office inhabitants, if it had been a typo regarding Barry Soebarkah’s birthdate, by contrast, I would have realized that the date was controversial, and assumed that you had located a new valid theory of what that in fact was!
Seconding Wolfmoon’s remark, it’s sad there is just so much disinformation out there.

Elizabeth Carter

Wolfmoon, The big girls cried too. And I believe Jesus wept for us because He knew what was coming upon us. He loves us so much that He died to save us and when we are hurt, He suffers with us.
When my son died, I drove the 1 hour home from the hospital alone to an empty house. My Mom and 2 brothers lived here and no one came. I was heartbroken beyond anything I can ever explain to you. My daughter had died in 1992 and on Memorial Day 2004, my son had died too. I had always had to go through everything alone although I had always taken care of others.
That night was so painful. Because I had always been alone, I used to open my Bible when I was hurt, praying or needed direction and it always was an amazing help to me. I had received a mailer a couple of weeks before my son died that said that opening your Bible was divination and witchcraft. I prayed about it, but somehow I could not open it anymore.
That night, I was just bawling. I couldn’t stop. I wanted consolation so much. I was on my knees and I started to open my Bible… but I decided not to use my Bible. I had given my son a new Bible that he never used. Once or twice, I tried it but nothing ever seemed connected to me.
I went to his room, got his Bible and prayed that if it was wrong for me to do this, that Jesus would show me that I must not do it anymore. I was still just bawling.
I opened my Bible with my finger on the Scripture so I could not cheat. When I looked, it was on
“Don’t Cry.”
Luke 7:11-17 (NIV)
Jesus Raises a Widow’s Son
11 Soon afterward, Jesus went to a town called Nain, and his disciples and a large crowd went along with him. 12 As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out—the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the town was with her. 13 When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, “Don’t cry.”
Jesus did not raise my son from the dead that night, but he comforted me and gave me back that connection to him. I have been through so much since that night, but I have never cried that way again. I understood then that God has a purpose and a plan for my life and that He loves me more than I can ever know or understand.

churchmouse

How true!
I met an atheist a few years ago who told me — and his (now ex-)wife — that God did not care about any of us! Unfortunately, his now-ex-wife believed him and, sadly, still does.
Ironically, he is now married to a devout, committed Christian, although, as far as his ex-wife knows, he is still an atheist.
Hmm.
God works in mysterious ways, His wonders to be performed …

JasonD

Elizabeth, thank you for sharing your story. It is both heart wrenching and wonderful.
It is in darkness that you can distinguish the light. It shows you the way, if you are willing. This may sound trite, but it has been my experience. You seem to be saying so as well.
My story is similar, though I have not suffered loss nearly to the extent you have. I lost my father and shortly thereafter I was literally led inexorably to give up the family farm, decision followed by logical decision, to walk away from paradise, the place that had nurtured our family for generations …
The point is that this experience humbled me – I never saw it coming. During the time that followed I was led inexorably from being an agnostic, and oft times a scoffing atheist, to the point where I now have no choice but to acknowledge our God – Jesus Christ – the Holy Spirit.
The “eyes to see” seem to be opened during times when a person undergoes a breaking down of the ego. This brings down the internal mental barriers that the ego constructs. For those that require a material explanation (I did, in order to fully ACCEPT what had happened), Jordan Peterson and Ian McGilchrist serve to lay it out.
When you are truly open to this world, it is amazing what you CAN see. We have evolved / been made to be goal directed – this gives us agency in the world. But it is to your goals that you cast your attention, and what you miss out on as a result is astounding – I had no idea. It has boggled my mind and taken years to accept this new reality.
It has been the most unexpected source of joy and wonder.

phoenixRising

thank you for your post Jason… very powerful.

singularZoe

Wolf. Thank you, I was one of those little girls.

Plain Jane

Elizabeth, thank you very much for that memory refresher.
The rense link you posted equates Zionism with Communism, unless I am misreading. For years I have been trying to understand what Zionism actually is so I can understand what anti- Zionism is.
I know it is not anti-Semitism, but anti-Zionism seems to lay blame on the Israelites for wanting to reclaim their land.
If you have a clear understanding of Zionism, please post. It has me bewildered and googling isn’t helpful on this subject. Thanks bunches and God Bless.

Elizabeth Carter

Plain Jane,
When I research something, I always go to the original source if possible.
Thousands of books have been written about Jesus. He was a man of few words. I always refer to the original Scripture in the Bible as the touchstone to verify the information in the other books.
For matters related to Judaism, I go to the Jewish Encyclopedia. You can use the search engine at the top of the page.
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&keywords=zionism&commit=search
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15268-zionism Is the first article but there are many in the search box.
My opinion is only that, my opinion and was often arrived at by misdirection or osmosis. When I start looking things up, I try to arrive at the truth by throwing my opinion in the trash and start over with actual sources. The truth stands up to extreme investigation. If something is not true, it starts falling apart and goes into the dustbin of history.
One of the funniest things I found is when the Jews were in the wilderness for 40 years, Christian leaders were often referring to our personal hard times as being “in the wilderness.” One day I was reading Scripture about that and found this:
Deuteronomy 2:7 – For the LORD thy God hath blessed thee in all the works of thy hand: he knoweth thy walking through this great wilderness: these forty years the LORD thy God hath been with thee; thou hast lacked nothing.
Nehemiah 9-21
“Yea, forty years didst thou sustain them in the wilderness, so that they lacked nothing; their clothes waxed not old, and their feet swelled not.”
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/bible-verses-like_Nehemiah-9-21/
Some of the tribes did not enter into the Promised Land because they had accumulated too much during the 40 years in the wilderness to be comfortable in the space they had been allotted but they agreed to help the other tribes obtain their Promised Land.
https://www.gotquestions.org/east-of-Jordan.html
I had read those Scriptures many times but somehow once someone you trust interprets them differently, it is very difficult to see what they truly say. When I saw what God actually did for them in the wilderness for 40 years, I don’t dread being in the wilderness anymore because I know that it means that the Lord my God will bless me and take care of the things I need and I will lack for nothing. Now I look forward to the wilderness times when I will actually be walking even closer with the Lord.

Plain Jane

You surely are correct about the wilderness. Thank you for the search opportunities. Will give them a try..

NebraskaFilly

When I initially posted the link to Rense, I commented about this “Zionism.” I also do not have a good understanding of that vs. the Jewish faith. Very confusing. I kind of thought perhaps this applied to non-practicing Jews, such as Soros, who are supportive of globalism/communism?

Plain Jane

Interesting. That word is everywhere, and it makes me nutty sometimes that I don’t have a clear understanding of it.

NebraskaFilly

I can’t help but wonder if it isn’t another case of a word with a positive meaning initially being twisted and used for nefarious purposes? IDK – the info is out there, no doubt, but I haven’t taken the time to research it.

Plain Jane

Tried researching, but it seems as twisted as the word “is,” is, or worse, but always in a negative way.

NebraskaFilly

I know – way too deep for me to weed through. It just isn’t a priority for me.

Plain Jane

It seems to be the fallback word any time the Palestine issue come up.

Plain Jane

Anytime I hear the word, I go on hyper alert.

NebraskaFilly

Which is why I think it is bunk or misappropriation of the word.

Plain Jane

That’s very logical.

NebraskaFilly

Speaking of which….the Fakestinian issue ticks me off – bigly! Here is a great, informative video but it is over an hour and a half long. The actual “movie” begins at about the 3:10 mark. Yet something else to be thankful for under PDJT and Haley is our withdrawal from UNRWA:

Plain Jane

Thank you NB. Bookmarking for after the kids leave on Monday. I will then collapse with a nice bourbon and my iPad.

NebraskaFilly

You will have to suffer through a bit of fakery at the beginning but it becomes clearer.

NebraskaFilly

Ah! Enjoy them while you can!

Plain Jane

I do. Our youngest has a real young one who always has me laughing with his shenanigans.

Plain Jane

Want to click on it to bookmark, and can’t get to it. I copied the link from the right of the colon to the zero before the last bracket. Is that what I am supposed to do?

Plain Jane

I got it… thank you again NF.

NebraskaFilly

YW – anytime.

herbork

Elizabeth, as a writer, let me add one other name to the November 22nd. death toll. The Kennedy assassination completely crowded off front pages what otherwise would have been the day’s biggest international obituary: Aldous Huxley’s. “Oh, brave new world that has such people in it.”

Elizabeth Carter

Oops

redlegleader68

Reblogged this on RedLegLeader Blog and commented:
Imagine that? Arkaside??

Linda

Is that what the HRC 2/12/09 is about? I’d forgotten about that Q drop and what the significance of the date was.

JasonD

The “Very BAD” is similar style as PDJT’s tweets. Hmm? ……

JasonD

So when Crooked said “If that man wins we are all going to jail” – just how many does “all” include”
I am starting to get a tad optimistic that “Draining the Swamp” was WAY bigger than I ever dreamed.
Don’t lead me on here – can’t stand crushing disappointment 🙂

JasonD

Yup, somethings a coming – you can FEEL it ..

phoenixRising

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Linda

Wow. He would know where all the bodies are buried. I wonder if he’s still alive. And I wonder if he worked with Hillary.

Deplorable Patriot

And what they’ve enabled is even worse.

JasonD

Wolf, I thought I’d re-post, with minor editing, the following here from the Open thread, since it is perhaps more apt for here ..
Pertaining to the commemoration of the year 1964 …
It appears from little clues dropped, that at least 3 of “us” were born that year – veritable babes in the woods, so to speak.
Oh how innocent and naive we were, thinking free speech and critical thinking were valued by our brethren. But lo, speak not the truth here – outcast from the Refuge you are …
And so, cast out of the family Tree, they stumbled in the dark woods, alone. What did the future hold – was there any hope? They cast forlorn eyes to the heavens, looking for a beacon – and then behold …
A rising Moon, accompanied by that sound of sounds, the call of the wild – the howl of the Wolf. Could it be? Yes, the Wolfmoon had come …
And so they set forth, following the course set by that Moon, until at last they found, in a Den in the woods …
Their Banned Brothers, Outcast all.
And so began a new journey, unfettered by the Quislings and the Querulous that sought to shackle, following the trail laid by their Quixotic guide.
What a wondrous trail it was, steeped in the past, signs full of mystery and intrigue, leading to the beckoning light of ….
FREEDOM!

JasonD

Awesome. 🙂
That big pic in the open thread with reflectioncomment image
would make a good addition, methinks.
This site is something to give Thanks for …

Linda

I have that t shirt, Wolf. It’s a bit worn out, but maybe I should start wearing it again. 🙂

Linda

Yes, I first saw the reviews on Amazon. They were hilarious!

zoontexas

This was my moms Favorite Song of All.

phoenixRising

Ohh, another thing about D5
if 12/5…
12 + 5 = 17 …..

JasonD

The year 2018 =2+1+8=11=1+1=2
D5 is thought to be shorthand for Dec 5
Dec literally means 10’th month – its original placing in the old Roman calendar.
So Dec 5 2018 = 10+5+2=17
So there you go, no matter how you slice the cake, it is Q(uixotic) 🙂

phoenixRising

Thanks Jason 😉
I try to get in 17 every chance I can … for Wolf and his fascination with the mysteries of the prime number 17… 😉

phoenixRising

you’re correct about adding in the year, which gives a 2
2+ 17 = 19
19 = 1 + 9 = 10
10 reduces to a 1
1 being the beginning of a new cycle…
I’ll take that… the beginning of a D5 avalanche of arrests.

singularZoe

The Kennedy assassination was also a pivotal time for me, already a little Republican at age 11 and I just knew Linda and I were from the same era as my first name is also Linda, and that is our era. I found out during swimming class at the Y. We girls were in the locker room, and I was standing there in shock. Then I was glued to TV for days, and my parents read every book one could obtain on it for the rest of their lives. I also remember being terrified during the Cuban missile crisis, the drills when we were told to kneel in front of our lockers and put our hands over covering our heads, and even as a young child, I knew that was useless and quite silly

Linda

Yes, our name was quite common in that era. I was often 1 of 2 or 3 Lindas in my classes at school. I also remember those stupid bomb drills, as if ducking under your desk would help a whole lot. Why did they do that to kids? I guess it was all about breeding the fear into us at an early age.

singularZoe

Interesting. Still learning all the time.

wheatietoo

I agree the bomb drills were dumb…but at least they taught us to fear communism, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Nowadays they teach kids that socialism and communism are “cool”.

singularZoe

That is true, Wheatie, it did make us very aware of communism. Plus I had a resource teacher for the blind who was a socialist, and she knew I wasn’t. She was a nice motherly woman, but I kind of rebelled against being brainwashed by all my leftie teachers. I was fortunate my mother knew all about the Rockefellers Etc. and she taught me young.

singularZoe

Maybe so, Linda. I tend to think it was more that they had to Appear to be protecting us even though they knew they couldn’t. My parents almost built a bomb shelter with some neighbors in the back yard.

phoenixRising
phoenixRising

I think the CIA should be dismantled…
they’re too rogue, accountable to no one.
Their budget is accountable to no one either.
And what in the world is the FBI, supposedly a domestic agency, doing with offices all over the globe?

JasonD

Absolutely.
You have to be a borderline “psycho” to want to work in the CIA. Then you get to work hidden from sight, likely with minimal supervision . If you are supervised – no problemo – your boss is likely more psycho than you. Exhibit 1 – John Brennan.
Oversight is hidden due to the “national security” coverall. If oversight is actually demanded, the psycho’s spy and bribe the overseers.
Whatever could go wrong?

Plain Jane

IMHO, still think they are self funding much, via drug and other illicit money making activites. There, I said it.

Plain Jane

If I disappear, ^^^. LOL.

JasonD

I would be surprised if many here disagreed.

Linda

Don’t forget – that’s one of the things that got JFK killed. He said he would break the CIA into a thousand pieces. I think when all is said and done, DJT will do it. If he doesn’t, then this may be all for naught.

SteveInCO

800,000 per year?
I’m sorry, this pegs my bullshit meter. That’s one fifth of the number of children born in a year; for every five children born, one disappears; any child has a one in five chance of disappearing.
Look around you. How many people do you personally know who’ve had a child disappear? How many people do you know who have or have had children who didn’t disappear? Does one in five seem realistic?
That aside, judging from what’s in the tweets, I wouldn’t be surprised if lots of it is true, especially the bit about Child Poaching Service custody.

wheatietoo

I thought I had heard that “800,000 per year” statistic before…so I did a DuckDuckGo search.
The same number showed up in a lot of articles.
This was a representative quote from one:
“According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, roughly 800,000 children are reported missing each year in the United States — that’s roughly 2,000 per day.”
So…I guess it’s true?

SteveInCO

Aaah, hah! OK.
I was thinking they were claiming 800,000 disappeared permanently. In other words a child is abducted and never found again. Given the context where they are talking about human trafficking I believe that’s not an unrealistic interpretation.
The statistic you found is simply for reports of a child being missing, and includes ones where the child was subsequently found again or recovered.

wheatietoo

Right…that’s a ‘total reported missing’ number.
And yeah, some of them *do* get recovered…but sadly, it is not a very big number.

SteveInCO

Hmm.
You’re saying most of the 800,000 don’t get recovered. But then I’m back to my original objection, just slightly modified.
Most of 800,000 is a number between 400,000 and 800,000. Just under four million children are born in the US every year.
So this amounts to a claim that between one and two children out of every TEN won’t reach adulthood without being abducted and never seen again by their parent(s).
And that still seems ridiculous to me.

wheatietoo

Have you ever checked into it?
See, here’s the problem that is becoming more clear by the day…
The very people who are *in charge* of finding these missing children…are often involved in making sure they are never found.
Leads are ‘misdirected’, info is shit-canned or the followup is delayed until the info is no longer useful.
The rot is deep and wide.
We’re talking millions of dollars that are made, in trafficking in kids for pedos.
Little ones bring a premium.
They are used as currency.

SteveInCO

I am not claiming it never happens. I simply can’t believe that one in ten kids or more doesn’t make it to adulthood without disappearing. If the average person has two children, that means that one person in five to one person in two and a half, has one of his kids disappear.
I simply don’t personaly know of enough people who had a kid disappear like that, and that’s why I asked in my original post if the reader knew nearly enough cases.
The number is just too damn high to match what I myself have seen and heard of in real life.

wheatietoo

I have read that the greatest concentrations of ‘missing reports’ happen in and around the big cities on the east & west coast.
There is an inordinately large number of missing kid reports within a 100 mile radius around DC, for example.
So perhaps your area is not one that has a lot of kids go missing?
I know that here in OK…which is a ‘crossroads’ of major east-west & north-south traffic…there are kids that go missing here on a regular basis.

SteveInCO

A point worth addressing. If there’s an average like the one implied, and one just happens to live in a below-average area, it’s true you won’t see as many as the average.
But I literally know NO ONE who has had a kid disappear. Die in an accident, yes. Disappear mysteriously, no. Yes, I see newspaper reports, but they are one or two a day for a large area.
So if I am in an area where the number is damned near zero out of ten parents “lose” a kid… there have to be other areas where half or even more of all parents lose a kid, to bring the average up to somewhere between 1 in five and 2 in five parents losing at least one of their average of two children.
That’s just ridiculous, I’m sorry.

NebraskaFilly

“The question that lawmakers began asking this week: Is Kansas’ social service agency doing enough to find missing children as quickly as possible?
At a hearing Tuesday, legislators said they were shocked to learn that more than 70 Kansas foster children were missing.
The Department for Children and Families, which oversees the state’s privatized foster care system, noted that the number was not unusual and amounted to about 1 percent of children in the system.”
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article178817256.html

SteveInCO

I am deeply suspicious of Child Poaching Services, and have been for almost two decades. (They probably deserved it before then, I was just unaware.)

Covadonga

SteveInCO,
I agree with your empirical and statistical arguments here and elsewhere in this thread.
That children are disappearing permanently in this country in any substantial numbers is an atrocity.
The actual number is clearly much too high. Some CPS employees may be corrupt, and a big part of the problem, and in some states the CPS organization may even be institutionally corrupt.
But the number of 800,000 per year for the United States alone is too high an estimate, for the reasons you state.

SteveInCO

Yes, I think you understand me, but I will repeat this anyway for the benefit of anyone else who might not: I don’t deny it happens, and even once per millennium is too often, and it’s a lot more often that that. I am just arguing against that number, which is much too high (and it’s a good thing that it is).

phoenixRising

WolfMoon,
what is your opinion of Martin Geddes?
I have only recently discovered his twitter stream… which has led me to his essay on Q…

His essay? Have you (or anyone else here) read it? It appears pretty accurate to me.
https://medium.com/@martingeddes/wwg1wga-the-greatest-communications-event-in-history-698ba926df64

phoenixRising

thank you…

phoenixRising

Link to vid on how to destroy op Mockingbird
https://youtu.be/80s5xuvzCtg

phoenixRising
phoenixRising

oops, wrong thread…

phoenixRising
phoenixRising
phoenixRising

Sibel’s tweet is part of a thread… click on the one below, if you click above you’ll get comments from Webb’s stream…
https://twitter.com/sibeledmonds/status/1065575149473280001

Linda

Sibil Edmonds. That name sounds really familiar, but I can’t place her. Anyone know?

singularZoe

I used to listen to her, used to go to Boiling Frogs and then Classified Woman, thank you for the reminder. Wow.

phoenixRising

her twitter stream has a tweet with video – no English translation though…

Covadonga

Sibel Edmonds is a native speaker of Turkish, for readers of the thread who weren’t aware.
Right after 9/11 the FBI hired her as a translator of Turkish and other Middle Eastern languages that she is fluent in.
Her fame began after she was fired by them, fought them in court, and in the court of public opinion as far as Left Stream Media would permit, then wrote Classified Woman describing her experiences with them.
She painted the FBI Middle Eastern translation department as a real sh##$how from day 1.
Literally her first day on the job, days after the Twin Towers fell, her new boss offered her homemade sweets. Sibel got the vibe that the guy’s wife had just baked them to celebrate the great victory of 9/11.
I was a tremendous fan of the book. Certainly a great read, with enormous red pill potential.
Then I went to her Boiling Frogs website, and was a little turned off. For one thing, there was a big favorable write-up of a certain Fake Media personality in the US who was deeply involved as a shill for anti-Israel terrorists.
Maybe it was a momentary lapse when someone else contributed something to her site without her being fully aware of the context. Maybe it was a false flag a hostile burdened her with. Maybe she has really good intentions, but is naive or confused philosophically.
But she always paints herself as innocent and a great patriot from an immigrant family without ever saying where she comes from ideologically. So I’m left with a question of if, maybe, just maybe, she ultimately plays for a team that is hostile to al-Queda and to certain high-level bad guys in the FBI, but is still not our friends.

wheatietoo

It was done in advance of what the Cabal Media/Enemedia fear that is coming.
And it was a two-fer!
1) Make PDJT look like he ‘for’ journalists being killed…”He’s anti-free speech!!11!! eleventy!!!11!!!”
2) Force PDJT to cancel the mil-hardware sale to KSA.
Oh, and also…’blacken’ Prince MBS and help his enemies in the royal family to oust him.
So it was a three-per. Heh.

phoenixRising

Totally agree with you wheatie…
But it backfired on them, didn’t it? POTUS laid it out to the citizenry… one man vs relationship w/ KSA
Now, the truth will out… and it doesn’t matter anymore if C_A controlled MSM doesn’t cover the truth, because as POTUS said at his last rally, we now go around them! Our citizen reporters and his tweets get the truth out. Mainstream is NO LONGER MAINSTREAM. The people are.

phoenixRising

Sibel? Just one of the biggest whistle blowers of all time!!!

phoenixRising

sorry Linda, life called and I had to run away for awhile…
here is Sibel’s webpage – she used to post at Boiling Frogs (you may have heard of that group?)
http://www.classifiedwoman.com/
https://www.newsbud.com/

phoenixRising

PM RT’d a periscope wrt possible shut-down of platforms…
fellow says we’re being set up…
https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1066122481629425665

wheatietoo

Haven’t yet watched the latest video or periscope from Praying Medic…but yeah, of course they are trying to ‘set up’ an excuse for Why The Outage.
Blame it on a CME!
A coronal mass ejection…that’s the ticket!
Thing is, we’re in a Solar Minimum.
CME’s are less likely to occur during a Solar Minimum when solar output is in the lowest part of the sun’s 11.5 year cycle.
But people have been dumbed down to the point that ‘They’ figure people will buy that excuse.

wheatietoo

I never liked the term “Black Friday”.
And I now wonder if it was intended as a way to poison the Christian Holiday of Christmas.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azavX04AyBo&w=560&h=315%5D
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There have always been store sales over the Thanksgiving Day weekend.
This is nothing new.
The Friday after T-Day has traditionally been the ‘kickoff’ for Christmas shopping.
But when did they start calling it…”Black Friday”?
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azavX04AyBo&w=560&h=315%5D
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I don’t remember it being called ‘Black Friday’ before the Ozero years.
Yes…it was explained to us as a reference to being-in-the-black on a ledger.
As in, out of the red column or Loss…and into the black column or Profitable.
Sure. That ‘explanation’ works, doesn’t it.
But why not call it something else?
Like…”Savings Friday”…or “Savings Weekend”.
I now wonder if using the term ‘Black Friday’ was a way to ‘blacken’ the Christmas season.
Do it in a way that gets people fighting each other.
Do it in a way that sours people on the season…after seeing the disgusting spectacle of people at their worst, squabbling over a ‘sale item’.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvuFmJfmQjw&w=560&h=315%5D
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Now ‘who’ would want to poison the Christmas Season?
Luciferians and Satanists would enjoy seeing this happen, wouldn’t they.
Socialists would enjoy seeing it because they could say…”See there, capitalism is bad. Prices should be low all the time!”
Black Friday…Black Sabbath…?
I dunno, maybe I am in tin foil hat territory here.
But I can’t help but wonder.

wheatietoo

Uh oh…sorry for posting that first video twice!
Trying to do two things at once, talking to hubby while posting at the same time.
Sorry guys. I’m an idiot.

wheatietoo

Hah.
Maybe I should’ve said:
“I meant to do that…for effect.”
Haaaa.

JasonD

Wheatie, I was shipped off to boarding school in the big smoke (Cape Town) for high school (Gr 8). We were always hungry, although well fed! 🙂
During the mid morning break the boarders would get something supplied from the boarding house kitchen – a sandwich, cream bun, doughnut …
Everyone would Q in an orderly fashion and receive their ration in good order. Then the youngsters (GR8’s) would linger, hoping to get seconds. A prefect was always in charge. This was not done in an orderly way – quite often there would be just a few over, or none at all, so there was no point in systemising it. So as the Q shortened, the young mob pressed closer, all under the watchful eye of said prefect …
One day there were doughnuts and the Gr 12’s were on study leave – lots of “overs”, as we called it …
The mob grew bigger, with some older ones joining in – doughnuts were PRECIOUS …
Anyway, to my eternal shame, I was in the mob. “Overs” was called by the prefect, and Black Friday commenced. I was in the thick of the huge mob, grasping for mine …
Interestingly, I sought of saw myself from outside my body, and felt deep shame at my behaviour. I stopped, pressed the other way, out of the mob and have never done such again. I look at my fellow man, adults, behaving in this way and just SMH …
If I could learn this lesson at 13yo, WHY / HOW in hell can “responsible” adults behave in this way …
PS, this is NOT some deep metaphor about Q 🙂

wheatietoo

So you know what I’m saying then.
And thanks for that analogy.
It’s like the Big Retailers are engineering these ‘Black Friday’ Sales in a way that creates the potential for the worst behavior.
You would think that they would be worried about getting Sued from people getting trampled & hurt…as a result of the way the stores let the crowds accumulate outside, then let them in in a big rush.
They probably *have* been getting some law suits over it…but they are still doing it.
The stores could also prevent the fights from breaking out, by controlling the way that the Limited Quantities of some items are picked up by the customers.
Instead…they place these items in a bin…where people will fight each other for them.
I just was pondering on the ‘effect’ that this Black Friday crap has been having on our society as a whole, right during the Christmas Season.
So I couldn’t help but wonder, if this being done…by design.

JasonD

Well, when Citizens are labelled as “Consumers”, you end up at a Black Friday display as the logical end point of pushing the virtues of consumption.
Remember Shrub’s post 9/11 advice – Please go shopping – the ethos of a society based on consumption.
Look at “people” out and about. Does citizen or consumer best describe their physical appearance?
Look at the health consequences, both physical and spiritual, of this ethos.
If Bush was FOR it – we should be wary.
Just thinking out load …

wheatietoo

Heheh…well, it is the nature of our species that if we don’t consume things, then we die.
We are ‘consuming’ Air even while we sleep.
So being a consumer is a matter of survival.
I get what you’re saying though…and I think that you’re referring to the way that we are pushed and herded into embracing ‘over consumption’.
‘Over consumption’ is sometimes referred to as “consumerism”.
Although that term is also used to describe different things.
Being a consumer isn’t a bad thing, of and in itself.
We have basic needs and have to consume in order survive.
But being a consumer makes us vulnerable to the crass commercialism that seeks to herd us from simply “I need that”…to…”I want that.”
And we have a whole Marketing Industry whose sole purpose is to make us Want Things…things that we often do not even need.

JasonD

Correct. We are almost never referred to as citizens anymore.
“They” want Consumers, not actively engaged critically thinking citizens. Heck, even SD doesn’t want critical thinking.
THAT the term Consumer replaced Citizen is significant in and of itself. Someones(s) put a lot of effort into that …

singularZoe

Consumerism, so-called, also seems to have a fascistic tinge to it–consume or be consumed.

JasonD

Yes, likely an unintended consequence (when I am being naive) …
I think the turn was coined in the furtherance of the present economic model. Many conservatives supported this, and old style “blue dog” liberals (not sure about this term, only recently heard it) were not happy with working class folk being denigrated in this way. That was back in the day when when “liberals’ cared about the little guy.
The script has flipped. Citizens would demand proper education – consumers must just shut up “and go shopping”. Ad so on, and so forth …
Western civ took many wrong forks in the road …

singularZoe

Jason, so much agree. I was also naïve about these terms. I also remember a time when people availing themselves of services were referred to as clients or the clientele, I think much more respectful.

singularZoe

And customer is a better term, because I can take my “custom” elsewhere if I do not like what someone is offering. Consumer reminds me of “useless eater.”

JasonD

Yes Zoe. I don’t know what it will take to get these terms back in general use in the media – they will likely resist this because they consider themselves to be our betters. Hence calling us consumers rather than citizens – they fully understand the negative connotation now, no doubt. PDJT has referred to this elitism many times.

singularZoe

Right, Jason.

phoenixRising

Here’s a thread to ponder… click on tweet
https://twitter.com/tobycovfefe2/status/1065336658298572800

wheatietoo

The Anons also found out…that 11.11.18 is a series of IP addresses for the DOD.
Which is very interesting.
But the KKR thing is interesting too!

Emeraldstar

KKR = Kohlberg Kravis Roberts.
They were (still are) involved in huge, debt-leveraged buyouts, the most notable of which was of RJR Nabisco back in the 80’s.
IIRC, the book title which went over all of this was “Merchants of Debt”. It was the time of Michael Milken’s heyday, using “creative” junk-bond financing for hostile corporate takeovers.
There was a movie made about this deal – “Barbarians at the Gate” (or something similar), starring James Garner as the CEO of RJR Nabisco, and Jon Cypher as Henry Kravis.
These guys were linked into the very TOP of finance … and perhaps still are.

JasonD

Was Petraeus pardoned? Can you serve as chairman as an ex con?

wheatietoo

No, Petraeus wasn’t pardoned…that we know of.
And yes, he could serve as chairman even with a ‘criminal record’.
It is up to the company to decide if they want to hire someone with a record…nothing illegal about it.
I am still of the mind that Presidential Pardons cannot be done in secret.
For them to be valid…there is a ‘process’ that must be followed…and part of that process is notifying the DOJ, in writing, of the persons that are under consideration for the pardons.
That written notification is in the public domain.
And once a pardon is made, it is also filed with the DOJ, iirc.
Which is also in the public domain.
This is the process.
If HusseinO did make any ‘secret’ pardons…I don’t see how they would be valid.