“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
“It is dangerous to attribute to stupidity that which could be the result of malice or guile.” -Aubergine
I love it!
Born from our discussion of Hanlon’s Razor HERE, I can neither vouch for the originality of Aubergine’s idea, nor will I even try. For MY purposes, this simply IS “Aubergine’s Razor”. Others can argue about priority. I heard it first from Aubergine. DONE!!!
As soon as I read this wonderful inversion of Hanlon’s “dull” Razor, I knew it was a winner, and promptly began creating memes.
That first one is subtle. WHOSE stupidity is not obvious, just as whose malice or guile is also not obvious. However, in my opinion, the fact that it could be many people makes this even more compelling. It is DISTURBING to see the El Paso patsy being led by a tactical pro. This one may not be the most obvious case of the Razor, but it is a POWERFUL one, and is worth coming back to later.
I noticed a FASCINATING psychological effect when I made this meme. As I chose the image, I worried that Susan Rice looked “too innocent” – that the meme would not work.
Yet look at it now. She looks PERFECT for it.
Next – CANKLES!
To quote President Trump, “LOOK AT THAT FACE!” The “Hillary patented fake smile” in spades!
Scott467 noticed something very interesting. The term “could be” almost seems ridiculously gentle, next to some of these criminal creeps. Words like “is likely to be” or ” is obviously” are very tempting. And yet, I think that Aubergine’s formulation, which would simply hint the possibility of malevolence to those lacking in discernment, is the best, because it’s the BROADEST possible application of the idea. If there even COULD be malice or guile, then the DANGER is asserted to be present.
michaelh postulates a corollary that I think most of us will agree with.
THAT IS WHY THE DEMOCRATS ALWAYS PLAY DUMB.
Yes! This cannot be repeated often enough. Dems are PLAYING DUMB, and we PLAY ALONG with their LIES disguised as FOLLY whenever we choose to “just let it stand” instead of – at the very least – rejecting their arguments as “not accepted by us”.
SO – let’s give a hand to Aubergine for handing us a formidable MEME and WEAPON, which I will now used to craft many new graphical memes.
W
New York hearse carrying nursing home COVID-19 victim.
This is a pic of the Civic center in Lake Charles at 9:am this morning. The event doesn’t start until 7:00pm. I can guarandamntee you there will be no Anti-Fa in Lake Charles. I’m laughing just thinking about a scrawny-vampire-looking-face-mask-wearing-millennial facing off with the Cajun Navy.
Any MAGA/KAG Rally day is a great day for America, but today, we have a little bit of business as well. There is a specific reason for the President’s visit to Louisiana today and it’s the Governor’s Jungle Primary Election. Tomorrow, October 12, 2019 is the primary. If no candidate reaches 50% threshold, we have a runoff on November 16th. Currently, the incumbent Dem, John Bel Edwards, is polling at about 42%. Repub challengers Ralph Abraham is at about 22%, and Eddie Rispone is at about 17%. Obviously, we want a runoff, and to ultimately defeat the Dem Governor in Louisiana.
John Bell Edwards
Ralph Abraham, Louisiana Representative
Eddie Rispone
The Louisiana Economy is doing well, but it’s NOT because of the Governor, it’s because of President Trump. The Trump Admin allowed 16 licenses and cut the red tape for rapid build of LNG ports and several are in Louisiana. We remember President Trump’s visit to Cameron Parish – Guys, I was thinking about buying beach land, on the Gulf just a few years ago, 2acre lot, 25K, beach front and backside to a Bayou – perfect for weekends. It was mid-2016. Then, the LNG plant came in an invested about 8 billion dollars, and WHOOOSSHHH, we have a major LNG port in about 18 months. It’s a beautiful thing, and production is sold out for the next 20 years. It’s what makes the USA the Energy powerhouse of the world.
Of course, Governor Edwards is taking credit for President Trump’s success. Not nice, and we’re taking it personally. Politics is a preferred spot in Louisiana, back to the days of Huey Long (1930’s, chicken in every pot, socialist). His brother Earl Long (The Last Hayride – considered a primer for politicians) was worse. The tax structure in the state has 96% of revenue coming from corps, and only 4% coming from individuals. It’s why big companies never locate headquarters in Louisiana.
Furthermore, it is impossible to describe how corrupt the OLD Edwards family has been for decades, but they’re not alone. The Morials, Landreaus, Boggs, and so on, add to the nepotism and graft. As a little girl, I remember Dad complaining about the Daley machine in Chicago, but when we moved to New Orleans, political influence was at a whole new level. Dad used to gripe and moan and wonder how anything could get built.
You might remember this guy, Edwin Edwards, Dem Governor of Louisiana from 1972-1996, not in succession, he took a few years off, and the last time he ran for Governor he ran against David Duke, yes, THAT David Duke. Edwards responded to his opponents ties to the KKK, “We do have one thing in common,” he tells a reporter. “We are both wizards under the sheets.”
Edwin Edwards
By his own count, Edwards has been the subject of almost two dozen state or federal investigations going back to his days in Congress in the ’60s. In the 1980s he was charged with racketeering involving health care investments. His 1985 federal trial ended in a hung jury; he was acquitted in a retrial a year later.
Eventually, Governor Edwards, at age 75, was sentenced to 8 1/2 years in prison, started up with a 35year old blond pen pal, and married her in 2011. He was in his 80’s and had a 1yr old child, with his other children in their 60’s. Asked about his young wife, Edwards said, “You are only as young as the woman you feel.”
Yet, John Bel Edwards and Edwin Edwards are not related or they are only distantly related. No one is really sure. The “name ID” has help John Edwards, to be sure, but it’s been both a blessing and a curse. Most locals think they are related…. but something we don’t talk about in polite company. John Edwards is a true Dixiecrat, and does not have the charm of former Governor Edwin Edwards. John Edwards, although he is a Dem, graduated from West Point, was an airborne ranger for 8yrs, became a lawyer, and is a staunch pro-life supporter. Yet, he is a Dem, runs Louisiana like a Dem, big government and spends more than he takes in.
John Bel Edwards is going to be hard to beat, which is why we’re heading to Lake Charles with President Trump for a rally today.
Since I grew up in New Orleans, and Lake Charles is my stomping ground, I feel obligated to provide you with an extra dose of hospitality. If you get in the car in New Orleans, point west and drive for 5 hours, you land in Houston…… but we need to stop in Lake Charles for food and fun. When you get off the interstate, make sure to stop at a Drive thru Daiquiri shop. Yes, we drink and drive in Louisiana, and since it’s so hot and humid, a frozen treat is always on the menu. Pick your poison. WONDERFUL!
On your way into town, you’ll notice all the bridges. It is a swamp, after all, and we’re accustomed to the water.
The water is everywhere, here. At Christmastime, we don’t have regular parades, we have boat parades.
I was thinking, of all the people I/we know in SW Louisiana, they all have boats. The people are incredibly self-reliant, no whiners allowed. We take care of our own. Probably why Lake Charles is the unofficial home of the Cajun Navy. These are people who can fix things, solve problems, and sure as hell don’t wait for a politician to tell them what to do.
SW Louisiana is equally harsh and gracious, like a double edge sword, and the situation can change in the blink of an eye. Louisiana is the “Sportsman’s Paradise”. The sheer beauty of nature humbles any man who spends time here. We live among the pelicans, herons, cranes, and the alligators, shrimp, crawfish, and oysters. There is no need for invasive environmental policy here, we understand how to take care of our land and waterways, because it’s in our best interest.
And then, of course, there is the food. Here, food is cultural, a social event. Men and women cook, the kids cook, friends come in and out and help peel, chop, and usually stay for dinner. I had a hard time, took me years, to stop cooking for 12 people automatically……. because there were always friends at the table.
The food in southern Louisiana is top notch, everywhere. I recall we had northern cousins visiting us and they wanted to go out and explore the city on their own. They asked Dad where they should go for dinner. Dad said, “Anywhere is great.” They were confused, “Don’t you have a favorite restaurant, someplace good?” Dad frowned and explained, “You don’t understand, here, it would be impossible for a bad restaurant to survive. Everything is good.” Dad was right. It’s true.
If you can manage to stay for a while, SW Louisiana will change your very soul. Your internal clock will change, and you begin to rise with the sun and nod off after dark. Baby turtles, dolphins down by the dock, become family pets. You’re welcome to stay a while. We can go fishing in the morning……
PS: Again, my sincere apologies for missing the daily thread this morning. Hanging my head….. remorseful.
Now…….. can we please get onto the RALLYYYYYYYYYY
President @realDonaldTrump will host a Keep America Great rally on Friday, October 11 at 7:00 pm CDT at the James E. Sudduth Coliseum in Lake Charles, LA.
Bwwhhhahhaaa, we learned incumbent Governor John Bel Edwards will also be in Lake Charles campaigning today, drafting off of President Trump once again.
Many of President Trump's supporters have arrived early in anticipation of the rally. pic.twitter.com/QzOY0KAy6O
See you guys at the rally today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And again, I apologize for screwing up this morning’s thread. Glad Wolfie and Triple T had my back.
a guest post by our dear house guardian Suspicious Cat
NOTE FROM WOLF: This post may require some explanation.
After allowing my somewhat mythical and somewhat not mythical sister Fox Moon to have her guest post, our dear pet Suspicious Cat has demanded to have his post, too.
You see, Suspicious Cat considers himself to be NORMAL CAT, and the rest of us to be DUPEY HUMANS, HUMAN SHEEP, or TALL DUMB DOGS, depending upon how stupid we are about things. He just thinks that humans are the best deal he’s going to get, so he’s “covering the downside” by watching out for us. And OH YEAH, he would vote for TRUMP if Democrats would let him.
Anyway, Suspicious Cat thought I made an exceptionally cat-like, albeit “incomplete like quantum mechanics” thread on Twitter, and he’s demanding to post it here, since he knows that my Twitter account is highly throttled and shadow-banned by other Dupey, Sheep-Like, Tall, Dumb Dogs. So here you go. Enjoy being lectured by a mouthy pet who thinks even the Watch Dog is an idiot.
W
PART 1: Hanlon’s Dull Razor
Thanks, Wolf. I’ll take it from here.
Wolf made an interesting thread on Twitter yesterday, and I’d like to begin there. Actually, it started with his Twitter friend Girl Grimly, who noticed Maggie Haberman “playing dumb” on Trump’s strategy vis-a-vis Turkey, Erdogan and Syrian withdrawal.
You will notice that there is a typically human non-sequitur here – “You cannot possibly be this stupid.” followed almost directly by “The globalist DC establishment is stupid.“
Just like what happened repeatedly with that smarter human named Einstein, this very bright young lady “had it right the first time“.
They cannot possibly be this stupid.
Smart people are remarkably easy to fool. Particularly if you tell them they’re SMART. After that, you can deceive them in all kinds of ways. Trust me – I’m a PET. Laziest, most deceptive job on Earth. I know how this works.
Normally, Wolf doesn’t catch onto this stuff, but for some reason, this time he did. So here is what Wolf said in response. We will start from the top using IMAGES – not tweets, because eventually Girl Grimly will be banned from Twitter, and only the DNC and CIA will have access to her wisdom.
See how that works? And you people are STILL ON TWITTER. Ridiculous.
To which Wolf said (with ZERO engagement, of course)….
Social media for humans to vent, in combination with Fake News playing dumb, is an amazing control tool to keep humans in the kiddie pool. In a normal world run by household pets like me, Maggie Haberman would have been fired long ago for this crap. But she’s actually a pet to her masters, and she is intellectually lazy – ON COMMAND – to get her treats.
It really is “fake news”. It’s a way of controlling people. It is NOT real news. It’s a kind of movable jail without bars.
Anyway, despite the fact that nobody is ever going to see his postings on Twitter, Wolf rather stupidly kept yelling into the void.
Wolf made this point before – LOST in the void of TWITTER.
Thomas Wictor likes to use Hanlon’s Razor, and while Thomas is a smart person, remember what I said – SMART PEOPLE are among the easiest to fool.
Wolf’s explanation of the fallacy follows:
Wolf’s corrected maxim, “Stupidity is likely to explain misfortune where deception is highly unlikely.“, accounts for the intriguing fact that the smarter and more capable the deceiver is, relative to the deceived, the EASIER it is to rely on deception, which in the case in question would mean PLAYING DUMB. This is why deception has to be not just unlikely, but HIGHLY UNLIKELY, for Hanlon’s Razor to even BEGIN making sense. Otherwise, Hanlon’s Razor is BACKWARDS thinking.
Hanlon’s Razor….
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
….is problematic because YOUR stupidity matters even more than the PRESUMED stupidity of the potential perpetrator of “whatever”. If the other party is smarter than YOU, then they can simply FEIGN STUPIDITY and you will TAKE THE BAIT.
They have ACHIEVED COVER.
I really have to admire the remarkable LULLING that Hanlon’s Razor accomplishes. To REMEMBER this deceitful malaphorism PROPERLY, remember it being whispered into a foolish king’s ear by your tribe’s mortal enemy, whoever that may be.
“I beg of thee, your Highness – remember thy own wisdom, as I have remembered it, and dare I say been served so well by such wise thought – that we must never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
“Oh, NOES! NEVAH!”
Sheesh.
THE CHUMPHOOD. IT BURNS.
Let’s go on.
Wolf hadn’t noticed this part about “malice”, THE LAST TIME he woke up on Hanlon’s Razor, only to be lulled back into “compliance”. I’m very glad he spotted it, because the “malice” part ALWAYS grated on my nerves.
Malice is a diversion – a presumption – a shiny object – a distraction.
The sleight of hand of asserting MALICE helps to sell the LIE that is Hanlon’s Razor.
If you’ve ever dealt with real criminals, like my previous owners (yes, I’m a rescue), then you understand that they are malicious about as often as good people. They just follow a simple rule:
“The rules don’t matter if I don’t get caught breaking them.”
Crooks are actually somewhat lovable people. They have reasons for breaking the rules, just like others have reasons for following them. Malice is rarely part of the equation.
It’s hilarious, but there should be a FULL STOP in Hanlon’s Razor, the absence of which almost argues for its diabolical intelligence. We’ll use a different form that shows it more clearly:
“Never assume malice when stupidity will do.”
But look at it this far:
“Never assume malice….”
“WAYUL SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!”
You just assumed malice, as DIRECTED by the PROGRAMMING of the assertion.
Take a look at how this looks from the “perp side of the con job”….
“Never assume malice, but you just did, and your stupidity will do.”
Are you seeing this? I hope so. It really is time for you tall dogs to grow the XXXX up.
Let’s go on.
Wolf is onto the key point. Hanlon’s Razor is very useful for DELUDED SHEEP to keep themselves in line.
“Don’t worry about that bloody spot. Nobody was malicious! Somebody was just stupid!”
Do you see how this has the wonderfully deceptive property of being “not even wrong“, due to the false attribution of malicious intent from the start?
SIDEBAR:
Has anybody studied the theory of “dead-endedness” of theories, or of theoretical approaches? Would older civilizations have discovered this idea first? Would they be tempted to – well – use it, for – say – “mutual benefit”?
Just theoretically. Since we’re all talking about deception.
Think about it.
Suspicious Cat
So let’s bring this back to something we can remember and carry with us at all times.
And I’m not going to let you go to the water fountains from hour 1 of this class without some homework.
The link won’t work in the tweet image. Try these links. FIRST, a variety of translations of Matthew 10:16.
SO, go take a break, and come back to the next step – how to GO BEYOND the Mamet Principle, using Hanlon’s Broken Razor as a BEATER SCREWDRIVER.
PART 2: Beyond The Mamet Principle
OK, class. There is a reason that we’re back here.
We need to bust not just one, but TWO ideas. The problem is, the second one is actually EXTREMELY useful as a “spotting scope”, but it is NOT accurate as a RANGE-FINDER.
What I am talking about is the Mamet principle, something which was LOOSELY stated by liberal-turned-conservative playwright David Mamet.
“In order to continue advancing their illogical arguments modern liberals have to pretend not to know things…”
Sundance, paraphrasing David Mamet in his book “The Secret Knowledge”
Wolf was taught this idea by SUNDANCE at The Last Refuge. Sundance uses it A LOT. Wolf LOVES it. So much so, that he made that MEME above, which alludes to the Mamet Principle using the idea that liberals utterly ignore Uranium One and the payoffs that Hillary Clinton received, to the tune of 146 million dollars. Liberals who still support Hillary Clinton LITERALLY pretend that these things didn’t happen, and/or don’t matter. The meme is designed to make liberals UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE PRETENSE.
For some background on the Mamet Principle, [Go Deep] here:
Now, recently, Wolf started to WAKE UP on an idea – the idea that one can USE the Mamet Principle like ALGEBRA to SOLVE for what liberals are ACTUALLY DOING.
This is sometimes a scary thought, as you will see. When liberals PRETEND things, it is comfortable to think that they’re just being ILLOGICAL. What is NOT comfortable is realizing that they are actually pursuing something, and that their LIES are actually LOGICAL in that pursuit.
It is very important to DIVORCE the “brain-dead fronts” themselves from the liberal propaganda. Maxine Waters and Beto O’Rourke may be fronting the illogic, but if you let them personify it, you may have trouble appreciating the STALIN or the BERIA or the HOLDER or the AXELROD behind it.
Here is Wolf on Twitter again, as he was starting to see this. Let’s track his understanding as it grows.
The left pretends not to know that shutting down THEIR AntiFa is key to solving the political violence. #Charlottesville#MametPrinciple
You can see here that Wolf was starting to get beyond the illogic – to see their LOGIC. The leftists WANT the political violence. That is a HARD PILL TO SWALLOW. It means they’re BOLSHEVIKS. It is much easier – much more comfortable – to think they’re stupid.
Their IDEAS and LYING GOALS interpreted at face value may be illogical, but the PEOPLE are not. Perhaps the “brain-dead fronts” who PARROT the ideas are illogical and stupid, but NOT the people behind the situation.
THEY HAVE A PLAN.
Now look at this two-tweet response to Thomas Wictor. You have to follow it to Twitter, to see Thomas’s “missing” tweets, all nice and linked up in a row and weirdly accounted for, yet somehow invisible. It is extremely reasonable to presume that Thomas’s TWEET DATA is still on Twitter, usable by DNC and CIA. But WE cannot see it.
It's the Mamet Principle on mega-steroids. Liberals pretend not to know.
Kristin Welker’s FACE says more than 1000 words could possibly tell us.
THEY KNOW. THEY ARE NOT STUPID. It is not illogic. WE are the ones who are being illogical about THEM. We are not admitting that this Fake News Media is absolutely NOT ON OUR SIDE – meaning HUMANITY AS WE KNOW IT – and must be UTTERLY REJECTED.
Don’t assume THEY are stupid. Look hard. Look deep. Be humble. Who is REALLY being stupid? It is only by adopting THIS attitude that we can EVICT THEM from our lives.
Consider how the media CONSCIOUSLY slanders and CONSCIOUSLY psy-ops us, while simply pretending they are not. It’s worse than phony. It’s literally CRIMINAL but they get away with it by HIDING MALICE.
Here, Wolf talks about another Wolff, that horrible author of lies and malicious slander, who “pretends not to know” that he publishes assault garbage for a political agenda. Wolf also lays into another bad practice of the left in the publishing world, while he’s at it.
The left can stop almost any book they want, LONG before it goes to press. They STEAL pitches and give them to favorites like Chelsea Clinton. But by pretending not to know it's BS (Mamet principle), they can let psy-op slander move all the way to their #FakeNews talk cycles.
Perhaps the best place that Wolf actually put his new realization to use, as he was developing it, was PARKLAND. The entire operation depended on MASSIVE PRETENSE OF IGNORANCE.
Here is the first tweet of Wolf’s LONG THREAD on it.
This is in many ways a restatement of the Mamet Principle, but it shows that at the upper echelons of leftist thought, the pretense of ignorance is used in a highly strategic manner to achieve "social justice "goals. This can and will be demonstrated by deconstructing #Parkland. https://t.co/Do2u14C6QG
It turned out that the situation was even WORSE than that.
Wolf LATER applied the Mamet Principle, and seeing beyond it, to Twitter’s shadowbanning of conservatives. Another long thread HERE:
Part of the reason we're winning is that we actually try to understand things – for example, Twitter. The left has no clue – and doesn't REALLY try to get one. Observe this leftist troll, one Bradley "I block Nazis" Duke, who thinks he understands shadowbanning, but doesn't. pic.twitter.com/mgIfZTj7IS
Here is where Wolf was starting to see the connection to Hanlon’s Razor:
Mamet principle – leftists "pretending not to know" that their STUPID actions will have the INTENDED evil consequences. Note to all rational conservatives: Leftists figured out LONG AGO that the old saw "Never attribute to malice yada yada yada" is some of the best cover EVER. https://t.co/NTkuUEj5Tgpic.twitter.com/JdSE8X0rc4
Most recently, Wolf applied this idea of “logical lies behind Mamet principle apparent illogic” in dealing with a troll, who formed part of a three-way “conversation” (sort of) with Girl Grimly:
Appreciate the support, @ed_grimly! That boy is a perfect example of what @TheLastRefuge2 calls the Mamet Principle – David Mamet's contention that leftists feign ignorance to advance illogical arguments. I take it one step further. The illogic is a byproduct of hidden LIES. pic.twitter.com/fSNqaXmMPm
The hard thing to accept is that there are many on the other side who are more or less beyond redemption. We can influence those on the left who have accepted leftist positions due to many positive motivations, but not those who are deceptive by nature and fully love the lie. pic.twitter.com/AUsqYfK3RI
It’s very simple. DO NOT assume that the leftists are stupid. Yes, some of them ARE stupid, and THEY are the ones who make excellent FRONTS – a deception that buys time and opportunity for the more devious leftists.
When liberals “pretend not to know things”, don’t stop there. They are PLAYING STUPID or fronting a stupid position, but it is not the REAL position. Their stated goals are not the REAL goals.
FIND the real goals and STOP THEM from getting there.
Here is an actual plan of action.
when you hear illogic, realize that they pretend not to know
ask yourself why they would LOGICALLY do what they do
figure out what the LIE actually is, and WHY they are lying
explain the lie OPENLY to truth-tellers, to DISARM the left
work with other truth-tellers to END the source of the illogic
A perfect example of this technique, is how we shut down the Obama-Holder “Promise Programs” that were destroying due process (Trayvon Martin) and creating propaganda such as the Parkland massacre. The left had pretended not to know what was happening. We had to figure out what WAS happening – what the LIES actually were – and then STATE THEM OPENLY.
It was identifying the CONSPIRACY OF FEIGNED STUPIDITY and LIES behind #Parkland that put the Promise Programs in jeopardy.
find the indefensible reality behind the lies and illogic
accuse the left openly of the indefensible reality
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You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
There’s nothing like a Trump rally.
More that that, every one is special in its own way. I have been to a number, and have seen many more.
We are privileged beyond measure to experience them.
