Category: Great Awakening

Despair & Disillusionment

This very special DESPAIR & DISILLUSIONMENT thread
commemorates the greatest psy-op ever
attempted against Heaven’s beloved, mankind.

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Think’s Thoughts

Imagine being Peter, seeing the miracles, the honor given to his teacher, the wild popularity with the people, and then, Jesus explains all of this is going to change.

31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again.
32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Mark 8:31-33

Peter feels he must help his teacher out. Jesus must be tired and have made a mistake. It’s hard to imagine the intensity of the sting of that rebuke from Jesus. Peter, soon to be the rock of the church, had been the mouthpiece of satan? Ouch.

But Jesus then pivots and turns this into a teaching moment Peter would never forget.

The Way of the Cross

34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it.
36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37 Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

Mark 8:34-38

And then the ministry starts to get really busy. I wonder if Peter forgot those words in the whirlwind of activity, or did he in quiet moments would revisit that stinging encounter and try to make sense of it all?

Later on, Jesus would tell the parable of the tenants.

“A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 2 At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. 3 But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 4 Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. 5 He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed.

6 “He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’
7 “But the tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.

Mark 12:1b-8

Would that story haunt Peter’s dreams?

Then, in Bethany, a woman pours a very expensive perfume on Jesus’ head, scandalizing all present, excepting Jesus. Again Jesus patiently explains what is coming.

6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.
8 She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. 9 Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”
Mark 14:6-9

This is when Judas snapped. He’d been following a madman. How could the Son of God be talking of defeat and death this way?

But Jesus did indeed suffer humiliation, torture, and death. Afterwards his closest disciples are ashamed at their lack of courage and in deep grief. His betrayer, Judas, hangs himself in despair.

The disciples of Jesus have taken a gut punch. The women following Jesus have proven to have much more courage than the men. What embarrassment! The only leadership shown was by Joseph of Arimathea, not in the inner circle at all,  who boldly goes to Pilate and asks for the body of Jesus and gave some dignity to him in his death.

The disillusionment stung. The grief nearly unbearable. Such a dark fog of evil swirling around them, that they can’t even remember the promise he gave to rise on the third day.

While Christ is plundering hell, his disciples grieve.

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Dear MAGA: 20190420 Open Topic

Welcome! The doors are open, come on inside!

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This Shining Light Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

Come on in and get comfy:

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Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Be kind to each other and help one another if you can. We all want the same thing…to see our beloved country safe, secure and strong again.
We can argue points and disagree with each other…even with our host, Commander Wolf…but please do so as nicely as possible. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged.
Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.

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Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition Mix from the artist known as Fearless Motivation, from the songs titled “Date with Destiny” and “Keep your Luck”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRI8BatS1z0

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Visual Descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful:
Top Image: Is a gigantic Tree reaching up into white fluffy clouds. Rays of the sun are emerging through the clouds and are streaming through the Tree’s leafy canopy and massive branches. There are wisps of clouds around the lower sections of the Tree’s giant trunk.
Second Image: Is a view of a winding stone path surrounded on each side by a thick growth of a variety of colorful flowers. The path leads to an arched doorway with double doors. There is an ornate metal gate as an outer cover for the doorway. More flowers and lush green ivy completely surround the doorway on all sides.
Third Image: Is a rounded open room-sized viewing deck, looking out over tree tops. There is a cushioned S-shaped seating console in the center of the room, with lots of throw pillows. Round cushioned ottomans are positioned against it, fitting into the concave sections of it’s S-shape. Towards the outer edge of the deck is a small fire pit in the center of a round cushioned bench. There is free-form railing around the outer edge of the deck.
Fourth Image: Is a back view of President Trump striding across the White House lawn. His posture suggests that he is deep in thought. He is in a long dark topcoat with his arms at his side. Bright sunlight creates a long shadow trailing behind him.
Bottom Image: President Trump and First Lady Melania are holding hands, departing the White House for the Easter Weekend. The President gives a small wave to the reporters, but FL Melania is looking straight ahead.

U.S. President Donald Trump prepares to board Marine One with first lady Melania Trump en route to his Mar-a-Lago estate in West Palm Beach, Florida following the release of the Mueller report at the White House in Washington, U.S., April 18, 2019. REUTERS/Carlos Barria – RC1F20A769B0

Happy Easter, Mr. President! Hope you get some rest.

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Passover Reflections

This very special PASSOVER REFLECTIONS thread
honors the ancient tradition
of commemorating the deliverance of the Jewish people
from slavery in Egypt.

Pesach (Passover) is April 19 – April 27, 2019

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Passover Reflections

21-22 Moses assembled all the elders of Israel. He said, “Select a lamb for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. Take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the bowl of blood and smear it on the lintel and on the two doorposts. No one is to leave the house until morning. God will pass through to strike Egypt down.

23 When he sees the blood on the lintel and the two doorposts, God will pass over the doorway; he won’t let the destroyer enter your house to strike you down with ruin.

24-27 “Keep this word. It’s the law for you and your children, forever. When you enter the land which God will give you as he promised, keep doing this. And when your children say to you, ‘Why are we doing this?’ tell them: ‘It’s the Passover-sacrifice to God who passed over the homes of the Israelites in Egypt when he hit Egypt with death but rescued us.’”

The people bowed and worshiped.

Exodus 12:21-27

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28 The Israelites then went and did what God had commanded Moses and Aaron. They did it all.

29 At midnight God struck every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sits on his throne, right down to the firstborn of the prisoner locked up in jail. Also the firstborn of the animals.

30 Pharaoh got up that night, he and all his servants and everyone else in Egypt—what wild wailing and lament in Egypt! There wasn’t a house in which someone wasn’t dead.

31-32 Pharaoh called in Moses and Aaron that very night and said, “Get out of here and be done with you—you and your Israelites! Go worship God on your own terms. And yes, take your sheep and cattle as you’ve insisted, but go. And bless me.”

33 The Egyptians couldn’t wait to get rid of them; they pushed them to hurry up, saying, “We’re all as good as dead.”

34-36 The people grabbed their bread dough before it had risen, bundled their bread bowls in their cloaks and threw them over their shoulders. The Israelites had already done what Moses had told them; they had asked the Egyptians for silver and gold things and clothing. God saw to it that the Egyptians liked the people and so readily gave them what they asked for. Oh yes! They picked those Egyptians clean.

37-39 The Israelites moved on from Rameses to Succoth, about 600,000 on foot, besides their dependents. There was also a crowd of riffraff tagging along, not to mention the large flocks and herds of livestock. They baked unraised cakes with the bread dough they had brought out of Egypt; it hadn’t raised—they’d been rushed out of Egypt and hadn’t time to fix food for the journey.

Exodus 12:28-39

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Think’s Thoughts

Here’s my quick sum-up of the Pesach (Passover) event, also called the Festival of Liberation…

The descendants of Abraham had been in slavery for a long time, but lately it had become over the top oppressive. The current Pharaoh of Egypt was on a power trip and wanted to crush them. God gives Moses a plan that nobody liked, including Moses. But they somehow find the grace to obediently follow the plan. When they do, God moves against the many dark powers of Egypt, crushes the will of the Pharaoh and the Egyptians, AND THEN has these former slaves PLUNDER the Egyptian households for all their valuables before walking out of their prison camp situation.

Now that is festival-worthy liberation! Moses is instructed to have the Israelites celebrate their remembrance of this glorious deliverance every year, on the 10th day of their first month, down through the generations.

Think*3

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23 Then Israel entered Egypt;
    Jacob resided as a foreigner in the land of Ham.
24 The Lord made his people very fruitful;
    he made them too numerous for their foes,
25 whose hearts he turned to hate his people,
    to conspire against his servants.
26 He sent Moses his servant,
    and Aaron, whom he had chosen.
27 They performed his signs among them,
    his wonders in the land of Ham.
28 He sent darkness and made the land dark—
    for had they not rebelled against his words?
29 He turned their waters into blood,
    causing their fish to die.
30 Their land teemed with frogs,
    which went up into the bedrooms of their rulers.
31 He spoke, and there came swarms of flies,
    and gnats throughout their country.
32 He turned their rain into hail,
    with lightning throughout their land;
33 he struck down their vines and fig trees
    and shattered the trees of their country.
34 He spoke, and the locusts came,
    grasshoppers without number;
35 they ate up every green thing in their land,
    ate up the produce of their soil.
36 Then he struck down all the firstborn in their land,
    the firstfruits of all their manhood.
37 He brought out Israel, laden with silver and gold,
    and from among their tribes no one faltered.
38 Egypt was glad when they left,
    because dread of Israel had fallen on them.
-- Psalm 105:23-38

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Dear MAGA: 20190419 Open Topic

This very special TURNING POINT FRIDAY
open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody
to post whatever they feel they would like
to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

Say what you want, comment on what other people said,
comment on people’s comments.
Keep it civil.  Treehouse rules, but expect lots of QAnon.

See the January 1st daily thread for the rules of the road,
which are few but important.

Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU

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God bless our President, Donald J Trump

Turning Point Friday

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,” — 1 Corinthians 15:3

For Christians, Good Friday is a crucial day of the year because it celebrates what we believe to be the most momentous weekend in the history of the world. Ever since Jesus died and was raised, Christians have proclaimed the cross and resurrection of Jesus to be the decisive turning point for all creation. Paul considered it to be “of first importance” that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and was raised to life on the third day, all in accordance with what God had promised all along in the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:3).

On Good Friday we remember the day Jesus willingly suffered and died by crucifixion as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins (1 John 1:10). It is followed by Easter, the glorious celebration of the day Jesus was raised from the dead, heralding his victory over sin and death and pointing ahead to a future resurrection for all who are united to him by faith (Romans 6:5).

Still, why call the day of Jesus’ death “Good Friday” instead of “Bad Friday” or something similar? Some Christian traditions do take this approach: in German, for example, the day is called Karfreitag, or “Sorrowful Friday.” In English, in fact, the origin of the term “Good” is debated: some believe it developed from an older name, “God’s Friday.” Regardless of the origin, the name Good Friday is entirely appropriate because the suffering and death of Jesus, as terrible as it was, marked the dramatic culmination of God’s plan to save his people from their sins.

In order for the good news of the gospel to have meaning for us, we first have to understand the bad news of our condition as sinful people under condemnation. The good news of deliverance only makes sense once we see how we are enslaved. Another way of saying this is that it is important to understand and distinguish between law and gospel in Scripture. We need the law first to show us how hopeless our condition is; then the gospel of Jesus’ grace comes and brings us relief and salvation.

In the same way, Good Friday is “good” because as terrible as that day was, it had to happen for us to receive the joy of Easter. The wrath of God against sin had to be poured out on Jesus, the perfect sacrificial substitute, in order for forgiveness and salvation to be poured out to the nations. Without that awful day of suffering, sorrow, and shed blood at the cross, God could not be both “just and the justifier” of those who trust in Jesus (Romans 3:26). Paradoxically, the day that seemed to be the greatest triumph of evil was actually the deathblow in God’s gloriously good plan to redeem the world from bondage.

The cross is where we see the convergence of great suffering and God’s forgiveness. Psalms 85:10 sings of a day when “righteousness and peace” will “kiss each other.” The cross of Jesus is where that occurred, where God’s demands, his righteousness, coincided with his mercy. We receive divine forgiveness, mercy, and peace because Jesus willingly took our divine punishment, the result of God’s righteousness against sin. “For the joy set before him” (Hebrews 12:2) Jesus endured the cross on Good Friday, knowing it led to his resurrection, our salvation, and the beginning of God’s reign of righteousness and peace.

Good Friday marks the day when wrath and mercy met at the cross. That’s why Good Friday is so dark and so Good.

Christianity.com

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Holy Thursday

This very special HOLY THURSDAY thread
honors the tradition of the church to reflect on the day
when Jesus gave a new commandment to love one another,
washed the feet of his disciples, gave us the Eucharist,
laid down his will in prayer in the garden of Gethsemane,
was betrayed by a kiss, arrested and put on trial.

Holy Thursday

Deplorable Patriot,
And so we arrive at Holy Thursday. The music that says “we have arrived” to me is actually the Pange Lingua Gloriosi chant. It’s six verses of text written by St. Thomas Aquinas, OP, and we sing it as the Ciborium is carried from the high altar to the altar of repose for the night. Unfortunately, the current pastor thinks it should be in English. The choir and congregation disagree, but 70s priests don’t care about that.
The other text that is used at the Mass of the Lord’s Supper specifically, is for the washing of the feet. It’s been years since I’ve heard anything other than Ubi Caritas. Translation:

Where charity and love are, God is there.
Christ’s love has gathered us into one.
Let us rejoice and be pleased in Him.
Let us fear, and let us love the living God.
And may we love each other with a sincere heart.
Where charity and love are, God is there.
As we are gathered into one body,
Beware, lest we be divided in mind.
Let evil impulses stop, let controversy cease,
And may Christ our God be in our midst.
Where charity and love are, God is there.
And may we with the saints also,
See Thy face in glory, O Christ our God:
The joy that is immense and good,
Unto the ages through infinite ages. Amen.

This setting is an adaptation of the chant. It is from the 1960s.

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This is another modern setting we use that conveys the meaning of the text quite well.

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Deplorable Patriot,
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This setting of In Monti Oliveti I learned earlier this year. It’s MUCH nicer than the hymn setting a certain BIG NAME music director had us sing.

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And I forgot the Gradual for the day.
Christ became obedient for us unto death,
even to the death, death on the cross.
Therefore God exalted Him and gave Him a name
which is above all names.
This is the Bruckner (1884) setting which is not for the faint of heart.

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And Then … A Very Long Night Leading Into Good Friday (T*3)

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Some may say a certain person or a certain people group tried, condemned, tortured and killed the Son of God. The greater reality to embrace is that he willingly entered this battle space to obtain the prize, the redemption of his beloved. His love for us held him to the cross. Nothing less could hold him there.

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Dear MAGA: 20190418 Open Topic

This very special WYSIWYG THURSDAY
open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody
to post whatever they feel they would like
to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

Say what you want, comment on what other people said,
comment on people’s comments.
Keep it civil.  Treehouse rules, but expect lots of QAnon.

See the January 1st daily thread for the rules of the road,
which are few but important.

Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU

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WYSIWYG

(What You See Is What You Get)

Ok, I’m a mystic at heart and I love the liturgy of the church, but this story is just begging to be told. If you want to think more about Maundy Thursday, please try here and here.
A long time ago, a musician named Larry Norman had his world rocked so much that he spent his music royalties starting a halfway house and buying clothes and food for people that he shared the gospel with on and around Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles. He longed to see other musicians of his day find a better life too. (see video)

He was a WYSIWYG kind of a guy.
During the 60’s a whole lot of young people explored what they thought was freedom only to discover heartbreak, disease and disillusionment. The Sex, Drugs, Rock N’ Roll lifestyle was NOT a WYSIWYG kind of life.
Some believe that it was as mothers and grandmothers raised up a cry to God for their wayward children, that He sent an answer in the form of something called The Jesus Movement. God did not cause these wild flower children to suddenly long for suits, ties, and church pews. Instead they filled streets and beaches with their own expressions of faith.
They hated hypocrisy with a passion. They wanted to be WYSIWYG people. And these are the kind of people most of us are drawn to. If you ask anyone why they love President Donald J Trump, they are likely to say something about his WYSIWYG style of living.
The salt of the earth people can recognize and want to be around other salt of the earth people. Like attracts like. Or something like that.
The Jesus Movement wasn’t the first innovative move of God birthed out of Los Angeles. The Azuza Street Revival exploded out of prayer meetings in 1906 and had an impact world-wide. We would be wise to keep our eye on California. It may birth some things that appear to be diabolically inspired, but God was there first and He will have the last word.
Just short of two decades ago I happened upon this old gravelly voice guy from New York and instantly knew he was of the WYSIWYG breed. I didn’t care if he seemed over-the-top intense or that when he got going he started to rock like those guys with top-hats and long black beards at the wailing wall in Jerusalem. Back then he was just beginning to get a vision for a movement of young people fasting and praying for a new Jesus Movement to come and fill the earth. Just recently he’s shifted gears, but he’s still got his passion to see this come to pass.
Some of you will have the time and inclination to watch the following video, please do. It’s rare to see a man at his age still burning with real passion. For the rest of us, I’ve queued the video to 37:43 where he is telling about dreaming of the impossibility of turning America back to God, and then he was given encouragement to believe it was possible.
If you are able to watch just those few minutes, you may get the jist of his WYSIWYG reality. (The dwarves reference is to Lord of the Rings when Bilbo’s comfortable life is interrupted and an adventure begins.)

Here is a guy that “saw” something bigger than himself and he chose to believe it was possible. And he may just live to see it come to pass. And so we have the second meaning for WYSISYG. Will our vision dictate to some degree what we will get?
Our VSG Lion of a President does this all the time.He gives us vision for a #MAGA future and is using his vision to lead us into it! What are you seeing? Where will it take you?
Think*3

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Dear MAGA: 20190417 Open Topic

This very special Worthy Is The Lamb WEDNESDAY
open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody
to post whatever they feel they would like
to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

Say what you want, comment on what other people said,
comment on people’s comments.
Keep it civil.  Treehouse rules, but expect lots of QAnon.

See the January 1st daily thread for the rules of the road,
which are few but important.

Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU

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Worthy Is The Lamb

Revelation, chapter 5

The Lamb Opens the Scroll

1 Then I saw a scroll in the right hand of the one who was sitting on the throne. There was writing on the inside and the outside of the scroll, and it was sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel, who shouted with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to break the seals on this scroll and open it?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it.

4 Then I began to weep bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll and read it. 5 But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, “Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David’s throne, has won the victory. He is worthy to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 Then I saw a Lamb that looked as if it had been slaughtered, but it was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the sevenfold Spirit of God that is sent out into every part of the earth. 7 He stepped forward and took the scroll from the right hand of the one sitting on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living beings and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they held gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song with these words:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
    and break its seals and open it.

For you were slaughtered, and your blood has ransomed people for God
    from every tribe and language and people and nation.

10 And you have caused them to become
    a Kingdom of priests for our God.
    And they will reign on the earth.”

11 Then I looked again, and I heard the voices of thousands and millions of angels around the throne and of the living beings and the elders. 12 And they sang in a mighty chorus:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slaughtered—
    to receive power and riches
and wisdom and strength
    and honor and glory and blessing.”

13 And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:

“Blessing and honor and glory and power
    belong to the one sitting on the throne
    and to the Lamb forever and ever.”

14 And the four living beings said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped the Lamb.

And the beast was allowed to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation.

And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made.

Revelation 13:7-8

Think’s Thoughts…

Socialism – Communism offers nothing to compare with the majesty of this scene depicted in Revelation chapter 5. This moment has been revisited by believers in the liturgy of the church for millennia. For the faithful, anything less is a cheap substitute.
Perhaps this is why in totalitarian countries all of the color, majesty and joy of life is squeezed out by the oppressive burdens of living in fear and deprivation. Let us war against this by celebrating the creation and the created beauty it has inspired.
Think*3

The Revenge Business

This topic is a conversation about revenge (vengeance) as seen from the perspective of those who desiring to live in a way that is pleasing to the King of all the universe–as revealed in the Hebraic and Christian traditions.

This is an exercise that all can join in on since we are not adopting a belief system–we are simply asking questions of a known set of writings and the historical response to those writings.

There is a certain sweetness to the thought of revenge.

❝You’ve got an over-developed sense of vengeance.❞

❝I want my father back.❞

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“Is very strange. I have been in the revenge business so long, now that it’s over, I don’t know what to do with the rest of my life” — Inigo Montoya

And also a certain emptiness to the consummation of revenge.

To the Christians at least, may I ask, if we believe we are subjects of a Heavenly King, whose symbol is a lamb slain before foundation of world–what place does revenge hold in our lives?

If this Heavenly King indeed has been revealing himself to us from the creation of our species and the record has been preserved through the descendants of Abraham, and has been adopted by Christians through the written scriptures, it would be fair to explore both those writings and traditional reflections on them in pursuit of the answer to this question. (Read early teachings here.)

I’m not going to offer any long commentary here, just quotes from the scriptures. I find meditating on these words to be difficult. I don’t want my enemies to get away with their evil deeds (God says they won’t), but somehow it would seem “better” if I could just see they were getting what they deserved … right now.

And so this topic is difficult. But appropriate perhaps for holy week this year.
T*3

❝Come, let us worship Christ the Lord,
who for our sake endured temptation and suffering.❞

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    Though harshly treated, he submitted
and did not open his mouth;
Like a lamb led to slaughter
    or a sheep silent before shearers,
    he did not open his mouth.

— Isaiah 53:7

“But, you, O Lord of hosts, O just Judge,
searcher of mind and heart,
Let me witness the vengeance you take on them,
for to you I have entrusted my cause, O Lord my God!”

— Jeremiah 11:20

If possible, on your part, live at peace with all.
Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath;
for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
Rather, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; …”

— Romans 12:18-20a

When he broke open the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar
the souls of those who had been slaughtered
because of the witness they bore to the word of God.
They cried out in a loud voice, “How long will it be, holy and true master,
before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood
on the inhabitants of the earth?”

— Revelation 6:9-10

“You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also.”

— Matthew 5:38-39

“You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.
— Matthew 5:43-45

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Now the time has come for this world to receive its sentence;
now the prince of this world will be driven out.

Jesus, the beginning and end of our faith, endured the cross,
heedless of the shame, and is seated now at the right hand of the throne of God.

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Dear MAGA: 20190416 Open Topic

This DARKNESS TO LIGHT TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.

Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.

Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.

Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.

There’s a lot to pray about. But an extra prayer for FRANCE couldn’t hurt.

Remember to KEEP PRESIDENT TRUMP IN PRAYER.

WE ARE PRAYING FOR HIM

Our movement

Is about replacing

A failed

And CORRUPT

Political establishment

With a new government controlled

By you, the American People.

Candidate Donald J. Trump

Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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Dear MAGA: 20190406 Open Topic

Welcome! The doors are open, come on inside!

This Comfy Q Tree Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.

Come on in and get comfy:

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Or go out on the deck and enjoy the view:

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Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Be kind to each other and help one another if you can. We all want the same thing…to see our beloved country safe, secure and strong again.
We can argue points and disagree with each other…even with our host, Commander Wolf…but please do so as nicely as possible. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged.
Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.

Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this from the talented composer Dwayne Ford, from his album ‘Epic Mayhem’:

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Titled: ‘The Promise’

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We are with you, Mr. President. Do what you have to, to stop the invaders from pouring across our border.

We know you are working tirelessly to keep your promises.

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Visual Descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful:
Top Image: Is the base of a huge Tree, with double doors set into an archway and a light beside them, lighting the stone pathway leading up to the doors. On the other side of the trunk is another arched doorway that is open. There are different sized windows at intervals up the tree trunk; two are arched, one is square and another is round. Around the side is a gable containing another window.
There are patches of green moss and ivy growing on the bark of the Tree. Lush green grass is on either side of the stone pathway and there are ferns in the foreground. Filtered sunlight is streaming down behind the Tree, casting a soft light on the surrounding forest.
Second Image: Is an interior view, of rooms with round doorways and soft lighting. There is an overstuffed leather chair with pillows and tables with chairs in each room. On one side there is soft light coming in through a small round window and a larger arched one. In the far room there is another small round window with light shining in through it. There are exposed beams on the walls and the sloped ceiling.
Third Image: There is a wooden outdoor deck, overlooking tree tops with one tall tree nearby. The view stretches out to rounded, tree-covered mountains in the distance, with white fluffy clouds and blue sky above them. There are two rustic rocking chairs facing out towards the view.
Video: The footage begins with fast-moving low clouds in a mountain valley. A pack of four wolves is running together…there are three gray and white, and one solid black. They are hunting together, howling together and persevering together through the seasons of heavy snow and warm summers. A second black wolf joins their pack. The footage opens up into aerial views of the surrounding rocky mountains, then the tree line and the grassy valleys.
Bottom Image: Is our President, standing at a podium in the rose garden of the White House. He has a solemn, steadfast look of resolve on his face that should send a chill through anyone who is up to no good.

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