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God is in Control . . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . . Keep Looking Up
Hopefully, every Sunday, we can find something here that will build us up a little . . . give us a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.
“This day is holy to the Lord your God; do not mourn nor weep.” . . . “Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet, and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not sorrow, for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”
God Loves . . . and Hates
It might seem a contradiction that a God who is love can also hate. Yet that’s exactly what Bible says is true: God is love (1 John 4:8), and God hates (Hosea 9:15). God’s nature is love—He always does what is best for others—and He hates what is contrary to His nature—He hates what is contrary to love.
No one should be surprised to learn that God does hate some things. He created us with the capacity to both love and hate, and we acknowledge that hatred is sometimes justified—we naturally hate things that destroy what we love. This is part of our being created in the image of God. The fact that we are all tainted with sin means that our love and hatred are sometimes misplaced, but the existence of the sin nature does not negate our God-given ability to love and hate. It is no contradiction for a human being to be able to love and hate, and neither is it a contradiction for God to be able to love and hate.
When the Bible does speak of God’s hatred, the object of His hatred is sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (Deuteronomy 12:31; 16:22), child sacrifice, sexual perversion (Leviticus 20:1–23), and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4–6; 11:5). Proverbs 6:16–19 lists seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witnesses, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well. The reason is simple: sin cannot be separated from the sinner except by the forgiveness available in Christ alone. God hates lying, yes, but lying always involves a person—a liar—who chooses to lie. God cannot judge the lie without also judging the liar.
The Bible clearly teaches that God loves the people of the world (John 3:16). God spared wicked Nineveh, bringing them to repentance (Jonah 3). God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:32). He is patient to an extreme, “not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). This is all proof of love—God wants what is best for His creation. At the same time, Psalm 5:5 says about God, “You hate all evildoers” (ESV). Psalm 11:5 is even harsher: “The wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.”
Before a person repents and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, he is the enemy of God (Colossians 1:21). Yet, even before he is saved, he is loved by God (Romans 5:8)—i.e., God sacrificed His only begotten Son on his behalf. The question then becomes, what happens to someone who spurns God’s love, refuses to repent, and stubbornly clings to his sin? Answer: God will judge him, because God must judge sin, and that means judging the sinner. These are the “wicked” whom God hates—those who persist in their sin and rebellion, even in the face of the grace and mercy of God in Christ.
David writes, “You are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you” (Psalm 5:4, ESV, emphasis added). By contrast, those who take refuge in God will “be glad” and “ever sing for joy” (verse 11). In fact, both Psalm 5 and Psalm 11 draw a stark contrast between the righteous (those who take refuge in God) and the wicked (those who rebel against God). The righteous and the wicked make different choices and have different destinies—one will see the ultimate expression of God’s love, and the other will know the ultimate expression of God’s hatred.
We cannot love with a perfect love, nor can we hate with a perfect hatred. But God can both love and hate perfectly, because He is God. God can hate without sinful intent. He can hate the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith (Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9).
In His love for all, God has sent His Son to be the Savior. The wicked, who are still unforgiven, God hates “for their many sins, for they have rebelled” (Psalm 5:10). But—and this is important to understand—God desires that the wicked repent of their sin and find refuge in Christ. At the moment of saving faith, the wicked sinner is removed from the kingdom of darkness and transferred to the kingdom of love (see Colossians 1:13). All enmity is dissolved, all sin is removed, and all things are made new (see 2 Corinthians 5:17). https://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html
What is it that feeds our battle, yet starves our victory?
January 6 Tapes?
Paging Speaker Johnson…this is your conscience calling you out on broken promises.
For all your high talk about your Christian moral background…you’re looking less and less like you have any kind of moral background.
If You are a Patriot and Don’t Loathe RINOs…
Let’s talk about RINOs, and why they are the lowest form of life in politics.
Many patriots have been involved with politics, often at the grassroots, for decades. We’ve fought, and fought, and fought and won the occasional illusory small victory.
Yet we can’t seem to win the war, even when we have BIG electoral wins.
I am reminded of something. The original Star Trek had an episode titled Day of the Dove. It was one of the better episodes from the third season, but any fan of the original series will tell you that’s a very low bar. Still, it seems to get some respect; at a time when there were about 700 episodes of Star Trek in its various incarnations out there, it was voted 99th best out of the top 100.
In sum, the plot is that an alien entity has arranged for 39 Enterprise crew, and 39 Klingons, to fight each other endlessly with swords and other muscle-powered weapons. The entity lives off of hostile emotions, you see and it wants a captive food source. (The other 400 or so Enterprise crew are trapped below decks and unable to help.) Each side has its emotions played and amplified by the alien entity; one Enterprise junior officer has false memories implanted of a brother who was killed by Klingons. The brother didn’t even exist.
Even people killed in a sword fight miraculously heal so they can go do it again.
The second best line of the episode is when Kang, the Klingon captain, notes that though they have won quite a number of small victories including capturing Engineering, can’t seem to actually finally defeat the Enterprise crew. He growls, “What power is it that feeds our battle yet starves our victory?*”
Indeed. He may have been the bad guy, but his situation should sound familiar.
We are a majority in this country. We have a powerful political party in our corner. There is endless wrangling.
And yet,
What power is it that feeds our battle yet starves our victory?
In our case, that power is the RINOs in our midst. They specialize in caving when on the verge of victory. Think of Obamacare’s repeal failing…by one Republican vote. Think of the way we can never seem to get spending under control (and now our entire tax revenue goes to pay interest on the debt; anything the government actually does now is with borrowed money).
We have a party…that refuses to do what we want it to do, and that refusal is institutionalized. If you’ve been involved with GOP politics, but haven’t seen this, it’s because you refuse to see it. Or because you are part of the problem yourself. (If so, kindly gargle some red fuming nitric acid to clear the taste of shit out of your mouth, and let those not part of the problem alone so they can read this.)
We fight to elect people, who then take a dive when in office. But it’s not just the politicians in office, it’s the people behind the scenes, the leaders of the national, state and county branches of the party. Their job is to ensure that real patriots never get onto the general election ballot. They’re allowed a few failures…who can then become token conservatives who will somehow never manage to win (Jordan), or can be compromised outright (Lauren Boebert?).
That way it doesn’t actually matter who has a congressional majority. I remember my excitement when the GOP took the Senate in 1980. But all that did was empower a bunch of “moderate” puddles of dog vomit like…well for whatever reason forty years later the most memorable name is Pete Domenici. And a couple of dozen other “moderates” who simply had no interest in doing what grassroots people in their party–those same grassroots people who had worked so hard to elect them–wanted them to do.
Oh, they’ll put up a semblance of a fight…but never win. And they love it when we fight the Dems instead of fighting them. Just like that alien entity, whose motto surely was “Let’s you and him fight. It’ll be delicious!”
If you think about it, your entire political involvement has come to nothing because of these walking malignant tumors.
That should make you good and mad.
The twenty five who blocked Jordan, and the hundred people who took that opportunity to stab Jordan in the back in the secret ballot should make you good and mad.
I’ll close this with another example of RINO backstabbing, an infuriating one close to home.
In my county, the GOP chair is not a RINO. She got elected when the grassroots had had enough of the RINOs. Unfortunately the state organization is full of RINOs, and the ousted county RINOs have been trying to form a new “Republican Party” and get the state GOP to recognize them as the affiliate. I’m honestly amazed it hasn’t happened yet.
In other words those shitstains won’t just leave when they get booted out; they’ll try to destroy what they left behind. It’s an indication that they know we know how important that behind-the-scenes party power is.
So they must be destroyed. That’s the only way they’ll ever stop.
We cannot win until the leeches “on our side” get destroyed.
What power is it that feeds our battle yet starves our victory?*
We know it. What is going to be done about it?
*NOTE: The original line was actually “What power is it that supports our battle yet starves our victory.” I had mis-remembered it as feeds. When I checked it, it sure enough was “supports” and that’s what I originally quoted. On further reflection, though, I realized my memory was actually an improvement over the reality, because feeds is a perfect contrast with starves. I changed it partway through the day this originally posted, but now (since this is a re-run) it gets rendered this way from the start.
If one must do things wrong, one should do them wrong…right.
RINOs an Endangered Species? If Only!
According to Wikipoo, et. al., the Northern White Rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum cottoni) is a critically endangered species. Apparently two females live on a wildlife preserve in Sudan, and no males are known to be alive. So basically, this species is dead as soon as the females die of old age. Presently they are watched over by armed guards 24/7.
Biologists have been trying to cross them with the other subspecies, Southern White Rhinoceroses (Rhinoceri?) without success; and some genetic analyses suggest that perhaps they aren’t two subspecies at all, but two distinct species, which would make the whole project a lot more difficult.
I should hope if the American RINO (Parasitus rectum pseudoconservativum) is ever this endangered, there will be heroic efforts not to save the species, but rather to push the remainder off a cliff. Onto punji sticks. With feces smeared on them. Failing that a good bath in red fuming nitric acid will do.
But I’m not done ranting about RINOs.
The RINOs (if they are capable of any introspection whatsoever) probably wonder why they constantly have to deal with “populist” eruptions like the Trump-led MAGA movement. That would be because the so-called populists stand for absolutely nothing except for going along to get along. That allows the Left to drive the culture and politics.
Given the results of our most recent elections, the Left will now push harder, and the RINOs will now turn even squishier than they were before.
I well remember 1989-1990 in my state when the RINO establishment started preaching the message that a conservative simply couldn’t win in Colorado. Never mind the fact that Reagan had won the state TWICE (in 1984 bringing in a veto-proof state house and senate with him) and GHWB had won after (falsely!) assuring everyone that a vote for him was a vote for Reagan’s third term.
This is how the RINOs function. They push, push, push the line that only a “moderate” can get elected. Stomp them when they pull that shit. Tell everyone in ear shot that that’s exactly what the Left wants you to think, and oh-by-the-way-Mister-RINO if you’re in this party selling the same message as the Left…well, whythefuckexactly are you in this party, you lying piece of rancid weasel shit?
Justice
It says “Justice” on the picture.
And I’m sure someone will post the standard joke about what the fish thinks about the situation.
But what is it?
Here’s a take, from a different context: It’s about how you do justice, not the justice that must be done to our massively corrupt government and media. You must properly identify the nature of a person, before you can do him justice.
Ayn Rand, On Justice (speaking through her character John Galt, in Atlas Shrugged):
Justice is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake the character of men as you cannot fake the character of nature, that you must judge all men as conscientiously as you judge inanimate objects, with the same respect for truth, with the same incorruptible vision, by as pure and as rational a process of identification—that every man must be judged for what he is and treated accordingly, that just as you do not pay a higher price for a rusty chunk of scrap than for a piece of shining metal, so you do not value a rotter above a hero—that your moral appraisal is the coin paying men for their virtues or vices, and this payment demands of you as scrupulous an honor as you bring to financial transactions—that to withhold your contempt from men’s vices is an act of moral counterfeiting, and to withhold your admiration from their virtues is an act of moral embezzlement—that to place any other concern higher than justice is to devaluate your moral currency and defraud the good in favor of the evil, since only the good can lose by a default of justice and only the evil can profit—and that the bottom of the pit at the end of that road, the act of moral bankruptcy, is to punish men for their virtues and reward them for their vices, that that is the collapse to full depravity, the Black Mass of the worship of death, the dedication of your consciousness to the destruction of existence.
Ayn Rand identified seven virtues, chief among them rationality. The other six, including justice, she considered subsidiary because they are essentially different aspects and applications of rationality.
I’m sure enough of this that I put my money where my mouth is.
The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system. (This doesn’t necessarily include deposing Joe and Hoe and putting Trump where he belongs, but it would certainly be a lot easier to fix our broken electoral system with the right people in charge.)
Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2024 or 2026 is pointless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud in the system is not part of the plan, you have no plan.
This will necessarily be piecemeal, state by state, which is why I am encouraged by those states working to change their laws to alleviate the fraud both via computer and via bogus voters. If enough states do that we might end up with a working majority in Congress and that would be something Trump never really had.
Lawyer Appeasement Section
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1. No food fights 2. No running with scissors. 3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone. 4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns. 5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded. 5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty. 6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy. 7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. 8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
Gold seemed to move around a fair amount between $2500 and $2530 or so. I don’t believe it ever dipped below $2500 this week but I wasn’t watching it continuously and was very preoccupied at work today and never looked. Notice that palladium has pulled further ahead from platinum; it’s the only thing that went up this last week. Silver dropped nearly a dollar, which is over three percent.
*The SteveInCO Federal Reserve Note Suckage Index (FRNSI) stands at 114.486+. (This index is the ratio between the price of gold today, versus the value of the dollar defined as dollars per ounce when we had the gold standard, minus 1 (so that an index of 0 means the dollar is at its original value and doesn’t suck at all). I use that clumsy phrasing because the dollar was defined as a certain amount of gold. 25.8 grains of .900 fine gold was a dollar. This works out to 23.22 grains of pure gold. With 480 grains in a troy ounce, you can do the arithmetic as fractions (rather than decimals to get a precise value) to find one troy ounce of gold was 20 260/387ths dollars (precisely) or 20.671834625323 dollars (approximately–I suspect the decimal won’t repeat until 386 digits have gone by). It’s a subtle distinction. One ounce of gold wasn’t worth $20.67+ back then, it was twenty dollars and 67 71/387 cents)
PS: I was able to do the arithmetic in double precision and got 0.1834625322997416041470586378636653535068035125732421875 followed by zeros. How much of that might be roundoff error, I do not know. Note that there is an 8637 followed by an 8636…darn, almost started repeating.
(OK it’s 22:04 MT, time to hit “Publish.”)
Flat Earth?
My opinion on this is well known.
But let’s play devil’s advocate for a bit.
Usually I see something like this presented as the way the Earth looks. (Although some say this has been changing recently.) In essence, north is towards the center of the disk, and south is towards the rim. Antarctica, rather than being a (very) roughly circular continent straddling the south pole on the globe, is a raised rim near the edge. East and west would depend on where you’re standing, but wherever you are, “east” is counterclockwise on the disk, and “west” is clockwise.
Things seem a bit vaguer when it comes to discussing the sun and moon, but what I usually see is something like this (my apologies for the extra white space…it’s actually part of the image):
The Sun and Moon are depicted as considerably smaller than the Earth, and relatively close by; here they are less than one earth radius (i.e., the radius of the disk). And they are below a dome of some sort, which many associate with the Biblical firmament. The stars (and presumably the planets) are either on or beyond that dome.
There appears to be an immediate problem here. The entire surface of the Earth is lit by the Sun, at all times. Thus it would seem that the very existence of nighttime is proof that this can’t be right. However, the claim is that the sun does not shine in all directions, but is more like a directed spotlight, lighting only part of the Earth at any given time.
The sun travels in a circular path over the Earth’s surface, one circuit per day, and that circle is centered around the north pole, though the circle varies in size from season to season, as shown on the left side of the following diagram (with the left side being the “conventional” picture). The red path is the one the Sun follows in winter, the orange path around the equinoxes (March and September), with the yellow being the beginning of summer.
So for us people living in North America, we see the sun fairly high in the southern sky in June when it’s on the yellow track, but lower in the sky in December when it’s on the red track, and farther away. (NB: It should be possible to measure changes to the apparent size of the Sun, where it appears larger in summer and smaller in winter, if this is a true description of things.)
Someone in Australia, on the other hand, should see the Sun closest to them at noon, their time…and it will pass to their north.
This is indeed what we see, but broadly speaking the same prediction is made by the globe earth model, so you can’t use this to show which one is right.
Narrowly speaking. on the other hand, the two differ somewhat in terms of what path the sun will appear moving across the sky. Globe earth predicts the sun will follow a certain arc across the sky then drop below the horizon, following the continuation of the arc. Flat Earth predicts a different path across the sky, particularly in the Southern hemisphere, and also does not predict the sun will drop below the horizon. Globe prediction: On the first day of southern summer, the sun will rise in the south east, and climb into the sky on a northward slope, eventually crossing directly north of the viewer halfway across, then set in the southwest. Flat earth prediction: On the first day of southern summer the sun comes into view in the northeast, arcs across to the north, and disappears from view in the northwest.
I’ve been to the Southern hemisphere–though not outside the red circle–and can attest the midday sun was indeed to the north of me. But again that’s expected by both flat and globe earth models. Unfortunately I didn’t think to take note of where it rose and set.
Note though that the truly dramatic differences are in Antarctica. Which makes sense because the two different versions of what Antarctica must be are quite different, more so than, say, Greenland which is near the center of the disk in one model, or near the north pole in the other. It’s either this:
…or that white ring around the rim of flat earth.
And it should be easy to tell, if you’re there. For instance, going from Wilkes Land to Ellsworth Land should be about 4000km if globe earth is correct, but on Flat Earth the shortest way to do it is to cut across the disk, which is to say, cross over the north pole; distance unknown (since no flat earth map ever includes a scale) but certainly a lot more than 4000km.
But I’ve been talking about the Sun a lot, so I’m going to focus on that. On flat earth, a person standing in Antarctica should see an even more exaggerated version of the sun motion I talked about before…becoming visible to the northeast or even, perhaps the north-northeast, coming closer and being highest in the sky when directly north of the view, then receding off to the northwest or maybe even the north-northwest.
Globe Earth predicts something else entirely. During southern summer, provided you are inside the Antarctic circle as shown on the globe earth map above, there should be at least one day every year where the Sun doesn’t set at all. The further south, the more days that are like this; at the south pole the sun wouldn’t set for six months. In fact over the course of a 24 hour day, it circles completely around you, getting lower in the sky to your south (unless you’re at the south pole, where its height above the horizon will be constant) but not setting.
So all we have to do is go to Antarctica during southern summer, and look.
Well, this is supposedly impossible, according to proponents of Flat Earth. You won’t be able to hitch a ride there (none available), and if you were to buy a boat or an airplane and try to sail or fly there…you’ll be killed by those desperate to keep you from being able to prove the globe wrong.
This turns out to be incorrect; over 30,000 people a year visit Antarctica as tourists. People have cross country skied to the south pole. This company will even arrange a trip to the south pole itself (though who knows how much it costs): https://www.antarcticacruises.com/
But it is difficult and expensive, making it not an option for most flat earthers…or for that matter, most globe earthers.
Fortunately, Pastor Will Duffy is offering to pay trip expenses for 12 each, flat earthers and globe earthers (we are talking influencers, not just adherents–Or I’d sign up and cross Antarctica off my bucket list for cheap). The purpose is to go to Antarctica during its summer and see whether there is a 24 hour sun or not. Thus far he has three flat earthers and eight globe earthers signed up. https://www.the-final-experiment.com/participants
OK now I revert to globe earther, trying not to laugh at the inanity of this.
We’re already seeing a couple of things happen in the flat earther camp. One, the three going on the Final Experiment are being condemned by many of the others. Also, many are trying to rework their model to account for a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, after years of denying any such thing could be true…almost as if, in fact, they do expect it will turn out to be true.
And, as is pointed out here: https://youtu.be/7xoW49mkLyw?t=178 if the flat earthers actually went back and reported that by golly they saw a 24 hours sun, they’d simply be accused of having been bought off. Or never having really been a flat earther to begin with (in exactly the way some Christians will accuse those who lose their faith of never having really been a Christian to begin with).
So what I see is Flat Earthers running scared when someone offers to pay the expense for this–change the theory, start condemning the participants…but not one single globe earther is running scared, being ostracized, or anything like that.
So who’s trying to run a cover-up here? Who’s acting as if they’re scared to find out the truth?
On a closing note, Antarctica proves to be a problem for flat earth anyway:
PS: I was about to write this, and saw that Rayzorback has posted a newer version of the 200 Proofs video by Eric Dubay. Well, fortunately someone has done a debunk (though it may be of the older video). [looking at points 55 (25:01) through 59 (ending at 27:22) will address 24 hour sun claims and other similar ones.]
Unfortunately, in order to get through it in any reasonable amount of time he has to skip over a lot of background and just say “This person doesn’t understand physics,” which although true is unhelpful. So, Rayzorback…pick your ten favorite (with your absolute favorite first) points from the video you posted…give their numbers…and I will put two hours worth of effort into countering those ten points, a bit more thoroughly than “Professor Dave” did. At my option I may divide that time amongst all ten or really concentrate on a subset of them. I make this offer in spite of the fact that I believe you will simply dismiss anything I have to say, just as you dismiss people when they debunk the points you have raised in the past (such as Wolf finding air flights you insist don’t exist).
This post is part of Health Friday, a series of offerings related to Big Pharma, vaccines, general health, and associated topics. However, the discussion will not be limited to what is presented today; it is an Open Thread.
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Today’s post in the Health Friday series regards the ongoing efforts by what Yours Truly calls Establishment Medicine to minimize, marginalize, and/or outright punish those healthcare professionals (especially physicians) who speak the truth about the COVID-19 virus itself and the COVID-19 “vaccines.”
For purposes of the post today, Yours Truly begins here: ABIM: “Follow the consensus, not the science. Saving lives is not a priority.”, from The Burning Platform, a post by Steve Kirsch. This details the American Board of Internal Medicine revoking the certifications of Dr. Pierre Kory and Dr. Paul Marik. The Washington Post and other media outlets gloated over this, trumpeting that the “medical disinformation spread” by these physicians (such as, that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine can prevent and cure COVID-19 infections; and, that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” are dangerous) was finished. Yours Truly’s presentation focuses on the ABIM decision regarding Dr. Kory.
Dr. Pierre Kory is a co-founder of COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC): https://covid19criticalcare.com/. He has been, and is, since the beginning of the disaster of COVID-19 and the COVID-19 “vaccines”, a leading voice in exposing the truth of this situation, along with being a champion of using Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to prevent a COVID-19 infection and to treat COVID-19 infected patients. Until this month, Dr. Kory held three board certifications from the American Board of Internal Medicine — until this happened: The American Board of Internal Medicine Revoked All 3 of My Board Certifications, 17 August 2024. This is a big deal. Here’s why: By this action, the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) removed Dr. Kory’s ability to have hospital privileges; it removed his ability to hold an academic position; and, it removed his ability to work in a medical clinic or other facility where other physicians hold ABIM certifications. Dr. Kory can still practice medicine in a private clinic where there no ABIM physicians; or, he can work independently in a clinic that he himself establishes. Below are three screenshots from Dr. Kory’s article:
Note the above third screenshot. To remove the ability of physicians to “think out of the box” will be, in Yours Truly’s opinion, to implement “one-size-fits-all Establishment Medicine.” And this is not all — this approach will (if it hasn’t already) spill over into the CMS (Medicare / Medicaid) system, making it almost impossible for persons covered under this system to find physicians who want to “think out of the box.”
The history of medical board certification in the United States began in 1917. A brief history can be found here: www.ncbi.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2394686/, “Professionalism and Accountability: The Role of Specialty Board Certification”, by Christine K. Cassell, MD, and Eric S. Holmhoe, MD, 2008. There are multiple entities that grant board certifications to physicians. Two of them are: the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) www.abms.org/, which grants certifications in 40 specialties and 89 “sub-specialties”; and, the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) www.abim.org/, which grants certifications in 14 specialties. In essence, board certification, which was at one time was an “add-on” to a physician’s already-established reputation and expertise is now anecessity — there is hardly a hospital, or a medical school, or a group practice that will consider hiring a physician who does not have a board certification, or is not working toward one. And, with the advent of “get board certified or forget about being hired”, comes what Yours Truly will call “the potential tyranny” of the granting entity over the physician who is board certified. There is continuing education and exams to renew the certifications; all of these cost money. There is “oversight” on the physician who obtains board certification — for example, are there any complaints from patients? Does the physician “spread misinformation” about things like the COVID-19 “vaccines” and/or “unapproved treatments” for COVID-19 infection? The granting entity can “charge” a physician who has board certification with “spreading misinformation” and/or “treating a patient with unapproved drugs”; the physician has to “defend” themself before the granting board in order to keep or to renew their certification(s). The granting entity has the sole power to either renew or to revoke the physician’s certification(s).
An opposite point of view on board certification is expressed here: Is Board Certification Overrated?, by Robert Anthony, 2010 (copyright 2010 by UBM). Below is a portion of the article:
Which appears, in Yours Truly’s opinion, to imply that a physician who is not board certified is somehow “lacking” in skills and knowledge and, perhaps, does not “meet a higher standard.”
Perhaps the most damning statement by Dr. Kory regarding the ABIM revoking his board credentials is this one, from his blog article referred to above:
Read the above again. The ABIM has removed Dr. Kory’s ability to see patients in a hospital. He can’t participate in insurance plans — which means that any patient he sees in his own clinic must pay for all services, tests, and so on, out of pocket. This may include charges that would normally be covered by Medicare / Medicaid. He will have to carry less medical malpractice insurance. All of these can potentially mean that patients who need his services but cannot pay cash for them, are also potentially shut out from his services. His article above needs to be read: in it, he “exposes the underbelly” of the ABIM.
Dr. Meryl Nass (https://merylnass.substack.com/) also had her board certification revoked by the ABIM. The organization did not even bother to tell her that this was done: https://merylnass.substack.com/p/kory-and-marik-were-just-stripped, “Kory and Marik were just stripped of their specialty board certifications. So was I, but the ABIM never even bothered to tell me”, 14 August 2024. Dr. Nass also, in another blog post, reveals what may one item behind what the ABIM is doing — the organization apparently wants to replace the physicians whose certifications were revoked with medical doctors from foreign countries: https://merylnass.substack.com/p/after-stripping-doctors-of-their, “After stripping doctors of their credentials and making it impossible to practice ethical medicine, the ABIM wants to bring in foreign medical doctors as replacements”, 24 August 2024. Below is a JPG of the ABIM’s statement, shared by Dr. Nass from another physician:
To add another aspect to the discussion, Yours Truly believes there ** may ** be some involvement of the AMA (American Medical Association) in the revoking of board certifications: AMA adopts new policy aimed at addressing public health disinformation, 13 June 2022. Below is a screenshot from the press release:
Note the penultimate point regarding “specialty boards.” In Yours Truly’s opinion, the AMA is one of the bastions of what may be called “Establishment Medicine” (the others being entities such as: the CDC; the FDA; the medical schools of Harvard University, Stanford University, Cornell University, etc.)
Let’s say that a board-certified physician, “fully vaccinated and boosted” who “followed the science”, after watching “vaccinated and boosted” patients, colleagues, perhaps even family members, begin to present with “the doctors are baffled” medical issues; or, perhaps, a cancer that was in remission that has returned. Let’s say that this physician starts to feel a little uneasy regarding the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” and does a little research — perhaps, by reading a blog or two written by someone like Dr. Kory; perhaps, by reading some published scientific literature regarding “first onset of psychosis after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination” (there are multiple papers discussing this that can be found online.) Let’s say that this physician comes to the realization that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” are not “safe and effective”, but instead are the opposite. Let’s say this physician has board-certification renewal coming up in a few months. And, to top it off, let’s say that this physician has a family to provide for, a mortgage to pay, and medical school debt to pay off. What is this physician to do? — without jeopardizing the job, the board certification, perhaps even the License to Practice Medicine? It is Yours Truly’s opinion that this kind of situation is starting to “bubble under the surface” of more than one physician currently in practice. It is not an easy situation to be in.
Where does this situation leave the patient? If the physician who discovers that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” (actually, gene therapy and modification injections [the DNA of the “vaccinated” person is changed by the ingredients and mechanisms of these “vaccines”]) are ineffective and dangerous, but doesn’t / can’t say a word to the patient to not take them — doesn’t this violate the oath of “First, Do No Harm” that the physician swore upon receiving the degree of Doctor of Medicine? If the physician who finds out, for example, that Paxlovid has a high “rebound infection” percentage, but doesn’t / can’t say a word to the patient to not take this combo-drug but substitute, say, Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Vitamin D to combat a COVID infection — doesn’t this silence put the patient at risk? One in Five Experience Rebound COVID After Antiviral Drug, New Study Shows, 13 November 2023. The article regarding the DNA change made by the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” is here: https://doctors4covidethics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/causality-article. “Vascular and organ damage induced by mRNA vaccines: irrefutable proof of causality”, by Michael Palmer, MD, and Sucharit Bhakdi, MD, 18 August 2022. Slide 14 of this article is a graphic showing how the DNA of the COVID-19 “vaccinated” person is changed by the Pfizer-BioNTech modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine.”
How did the ABIM, the ABMS, and the other privately-run board certification granting entities in the United States come to have such power over the practice of medicine and over the physicians who obtain board certification? (There are literally dozens of these boards: www.americanboardcosmeticsurgery.org/so-what-does-physician-board-certification-actually-mean/, 7 February 2019.) To Yours Truly, it appears that they possibly used a combination of influence, lobbying, personal connections with medical schools, and other “tactics.” The result may well be an “authority” that these certification boards created and arrogatedto themselves, in the name of “ensuring quality delivery of healthcare by qualified physicians.” While this may have been a true and worthy aspiration previously, it seems it has “evolved” into “Follow these dictates, or else.”
And, from there, where does this potentially go? If a physician is stripped of board certification(s), that physician can still practice medicine — unless their state medical licensing board (perhaps with the involvement of the AMA, please see above in today’s post) decides to “charge” the physician with “spreading disinformation to the public” in “violation” of the diktats of Establishment Medicine. The physician now faces the possibility of losing the License to Practice Medicine. The case of Dr. Carrie Madej, DO, comes to mind. (Doctors of Osteopathy are medical doctors who have somewhat different training from MDs, but who are recognized and licensed to practice medicine and write prescriptions.) She was brought up on similar “charges” by the medical licensing board of Georgia. After a protracted fight, Dr. Madej ultimately decided to surrender her License to Practice Medicine in 2023. (Recall that Dr. Madej was one of the first to demonstrate that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” contain substances that appeared to be strange.)
And, from there, where does the potential for innovation in medicine go? If physicians (especially board-certified physicians) have to, in effect, constantly “look over their shoulder” and “toe the line” to Establishment Medicine, doesn’t this affect the potential to come up with new theories and to investigate them? — such as in, using drugs in “off-label” circumstances to help patients? — such as in, using Hydroxychloroquine to prevent or treat COVID-19 infection, instead of injecting a patient with a modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine” that changes that patient’s DNA and can also lead to the appearance of myocarditis or even to the death of the patient? Instead of hospitalized COVID-19 infected patients being put on ventilators and given Remdesivir, a drug that can kill the patient instead of helping the patient? Why Remdesivir Failed: Preclinical Assumptions Overestimate the Clinical Efficacy of Remdesivir for COVID-19 and Ebola, Victoria C. Yan and Florian L. Muller, 17 September 2021.
Yours Truly will say it is vitally important that all persons, COVID-19 “vaccinated” or not, to have and keep their natural immune system in the best condition possible; to become educated regarding any prescription medication that they take; and, to research any medical injectables that are recommended / required that they be given.
“For you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:32
This is going to be part of a series concerning a contentious subject.
One of the arguments advanced to engage the emotions of Christians is that Israel is the Jewish homeland therefore Jews, from all over the world have a RIGHT to create a nation state on that land.
A John’s Hopkins University Jewish scientist’s study showed less than 3% of Israel’s Jews are descended from King David, whereby more than 80% of Palestinians are. — OOPS!
…Dr. Eran Elhaik, geneticist researcher at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, found that today’s “Jews” originated from Khazaria and not Israel. They are not the seed of Abraham. The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct. Entire Article
The question of Jewish ancestry has been the subject of controversy for over two centuries and has yet to be resolved. The “Rhineland hypothesis” depicts Eastern European Jews as a “population isolate” that emerged from a small group of German Jews who migrated eastward and expanded rapidly. Alternatively, the “Khazarian hypothesis” suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars,an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Mesopotamian and Greco–Roman Jews continuously reinforced the Judaized empire until the 13th century. Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo–Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo–Khazars. Thus far, however, the Khazars’ contribution has been estimated only empirically, as the absence of genome-wide data from Caucasus populations precluded testing the Khazarian hypothesis. Recent sequencing of modern Caucasus populations prompted us to revisit the Khazarian hypothesis and compare it with the Rhineland hypothesis. We applied a wide range of population genetic analyses to compare these two hypotheses. Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Near Eastern-Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. We further describe a major difference among Caucasus populations explained by the early presence of Judeans in the Southern and Central Caucasus. Our results have important implications for the demographic forces that shaped the genetic diversity in the Caucasus and for medical studies….
This gives the information that 5 million Jews are non-Ashkenazi meaning 8 million are Ashkenazi “…whose recent ancestry over the past millennium traces to Central and Eastern Europe….”
Contemporary Jews, whose number is estimated at 13 million[1], can be divided to Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi, which are each in turn comprised of numerous different constituent communities.
Ashkenazi refers to Jews whose recent ancestry over the past millennium traces to Central and Eastern Europe. The geographically much more widespread non-Ashkenazi Jewish communities are also culturally more diverse, and are comprised of the Jewish communities that have continuously resided in the Near and Middle East and in North Africa and in different geographic locations to which Jews fled or to which they were deported including the Iberian expulsion in 1492–1495. These communities also share similar religious rituals, probably due to their presumed common historical origin from the descendants of the much earlier Babylonian exile. As a result of common ritual practices, they are sometimes collectively referred to as the Sephardic (Spanish) or Mizrahi (Eastern) Jews. However, the term Sephardic might better be reserved to designate those Jewish communities that emanated directly following the Iberian expulsion. Moreover, neither the term Sephardic nor Mizrahi takes fully into account some additional Jewish communities such as the Italian and Yemenite. Therefore, the term non-Ashkenazi Jews, cumbersome as it is, encompasses hereall non-Ashkenazi communities, currently estimated to comprise about5 million individuals[1]. While the genetic ancestry of the Ashkenazi has been investigated recently in some depth in terms of both male and female lineages, by means of the male-specific portion of the Y chromosome and the mt-DNA respectively [2–5], the comparative data currently available on the non-Ashkenazi Jews is scant [6,7].These studies suggested geographically independent founding of the different Jewish communities. It is now possible to address the question of the matrilineal origin of these communities using phylogenetic resolution at maximum depth, and also to extend phylogeographic comparisons with a much wider range of reference populations…
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So whether a portion of these 8 million are “ Khazarian” or not, genetically they are European.
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Now that I have successfully stirred up that wasp nest, on to more history.
The Khazarians are quite controversial.
Clif High has done a video on “The Khazarian Mafia (aka the Name Stealers) [FAKE Jews]” LINK
At 12 minutes Clif says in China there are persistent historical expressions… for example those found in the book ‘Journey to the West.’ In the book there is a story/expression that “you had to watch out for the NAME STEALERS”. This SAME expression is also found in Europe. It was written down in 800 AD It is in the Codex Orea Linda [The Codex Oera Linda is a medieval manuscript written in Old Frisian – a Germanic language] and the Name Stealers are described as being to the East. According to the Chinese Legend if you go far enough West, you run into a people who will invite you in, feed you, give you the best bed AND THEN KILL YOU. They would get you drunk and were KNOWN to use DRUGS (aka Black Majick), to get you to talk about yourself so they could steal not only your possessions BUT YOUR NAME. They would use this information to MAKE deals IN YOUR NAME but never carry it thru.
by Preston James Ph.D. – Social Psychologist with Doctorate from Major Midwest Big Ten University. Retired after serving the community for over 36 years during which time there were numerous contacts with those associated with Intel and Law Enforcement.
Editor’s Note: The history of the Khazarians, specifically the Khazarian Mafia (KM), the World’s largest Organized Crime Syndicate that the Khazarian oligarchy morphed into by their deployment of Babylonian Money-Magick, has been nearly completely excised from the history books.
The present-day KM knows that it cannot operate or exist without abject secrecy, and therefore has spent a lot of money having its history excised from the history books…
… Over the last quarter-century, historians have by and large ceased writing about the role of ruling elites in the country’s evolution. Or if they have taken up the subject, they have done so to argue against its salience for grasping the essentials of American political history. Yet there is something peculiar about this recent intellectual aversion, even if we accept as true the beliefs that democracy, social mobility, and economic dynamism have long inhibited the congealing of a ruling stratum. This aversion has coincided, after all, with one of the largest and fastest-growing disparities in the division of income and wealth in American history….Neglecting the powerful had not been characteristic of historical work before World War II….
Another article pointing to the destruction of our true history.
…Where do we find this evidence? The first place to look is in history. The past is the key to the present, and we can never fully understand where we are today unless we know what path we traveled to get here. It was Will Durant who said:
“Those who know nothing about history are doomed forever to repeat it.”…
THE HIDDEN AGENDA
…the year 1954 and, suddenly, we find ourselves in the plush offices of the Ford Foundation in New York City. There are two men seated at a large, Mahogany desk, and they are talking. They cannot see or hear us, but we can see them very well. One of these men is Rowan Gaither, who was the 3 President of the Ford Foundation at that time. The other is Mr. Norman Dodd, the chief investigator for what was called the Reece Committee, which was a Congressional committee to investigate tax-exempt foundations. The Ford Foundation was one of those, so he is there as part of his Congressional responsibilities.
In 1982, I met Mr. Dodd in his home state of Virginia where, at the time, I had a television crew gathering interviews for a documentary film. I previously had read his testimony and realized how important it was; so, when our crew had open time, I called him on the telephone and asked if he would be willing to make a statement before our cameras, and he said, “Of course.” I’m glad we obtained the interview when we did, because Dodd was advanced in years, and it wasn’t long afterward that he passed away. We were very fortunate to capture his story in his own words.
What we are about to witness from our time machine was confirmed in minute detail twenty years later and preserved on video. The reason for Dodd’s investigation was that the American public had become alarmed by reports that large tax-exempt foundations were promoting the ideologies of Communism and Fascism and advocating the elimination of the United States as a sovereign nation. As far back as the 1930s, William Randolph Hearst had written a series of blistering editorials in his national chain of newspapers in which he cited Carnegie Foundation publications that spouted Communist slogans identical to what was coming from the Communist Party itself.
When the Carnegie Endowment published an article written by Joseph Stalin attacking Capitalism and praising Communism, Hearst called it “propaganda, pure and simple.”
This is very critical because of what Mr Griffin says later.
A STRATEGY TO CONTROL THE TEACHING OF HISTORY
The question that arises in Mr. Dodd’s mind is: How would it be possible for anyone to think they could alter life in the United States so it could be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union and, by implication, with other nations of the world? What an absurd thought that would be – especially in 1954…
The answer was provided by the Carnegie Endowment Fund for International Peace, the same group that had been the center of controversy in the 1930s. When Dodd visited that organization and began asking about their activities, the President said, “Mr. Dodd, you have a lot of questions. It would be very tedious and time consuming for us to answer them all, so I have a counter proposal…
This is what those minutes revealed: From the very beginning, the members of the board discussed how to alter life in the United States; how to change the attitudes of Americans to give up their traditional principles and concepts of government and be more receptive to what they call the collectivist model of society…
At the Carnegie Foundation board meetings, they discussed this question in a scholarly fashion. After months of deliberation, they came to the conclusion that, out of all of the options available for altering political and social attitudes, there was only one that was historically dependable. That option was war. In times of war, they reasoned, only then would people be willing to give up things they cherish in return for the desperate need and desire for security against a deadly enemy. And so the Carnegie Endowment Fund for International Peace declared in its minutes that it must do whatever it can to bring the United States into war. They also said there were other actions needed, and these were their exact words: “We must control education in the United States.”
They realized that was a pretty big order, so they teamed up with the Rockefeller Foundation and the Guggenheim Foundation to pool their financial resources to control education in America – in particular, to control the teaching of history. They assigned those areas of responsibility that involved issues relating to domestic affairs to the Rockefeller Foundation, and those issues relating to international affairs were taken on as the responsibility of the Carnegie Endowment.
Their first goal was to rewrite the history books, and they discussed at great length how to do that. They approached some of the more prominent historians of the time and presented to them the proposal that they rewrite history to favor the concept of collectivism, but they were turned down flat. Then they decided – and, again, these are their own words, “We must create our own stable of historians.” They selected twenty candidates at the university level who were seeking doctorates in American History. Then they went to the Guggenheim Foundation and said, “Would you grant fellowships to candidates selected by us, who are of the right frame of mind, those who see the value of collectivism as we do? Would you help them to obtain their doctorates so we can then propel them into positions of prominence and leadership in the academic world?” And the answer was “Yes.”
So they gathered a list of young men who were seeking their doctorate degrees. They interviewed them, analyzed their attitudes, and chose the twenty they thought were best suited for their purpose. They sent them to London for a briefing. (In a moment I will explain why London is so significant. [I will add think London School of Economics or Oxford. -GC]) At this meeting, they were told what would be expected if and when they win the doctorates they were seeking. They were told they would have to view history, write history, and teach history from the perspective that collectivism was a positive force in the world and was the wave of the future….
Back to the Veterans Today article.
…We now know that the Khazarian Mafia (KM) is waging a secret war against America and Americans by the use of False-flag Gladio-style terrorism, and via the illegal and Unconstitutional Federal Reserve System, the IRS, the FBI, FEMA, Homeland Security, and the TSA. We know for certain that the KM was responsible for deploying an inside-job, Gladio-style False-flag attack on America on 9-11-01, as well as the Murrah Building Bombing on April 19, 1995….
…the Khazarian king and his inner circle of oligarchs kept practicing ancient Babylonian black magic, also known as Secret Satanism. This Secret Satanism involved occult ceremonies featuring child sacrifice, after “bleeding them out”, drinking their blood [adrenochrome? -GC], and eating their hearts.
The deep dark secret of the occult ceremonies was that they were all based on ancient Baal Worship, also known as worship of the Owl. In order to fool the confederacy of nations led by Russia that were watching Khazaria, the Khazarian king melded these Luciferian black-magick practices with Judaism and created a secret Satanic-hybrid religion, known as Babylonian Talmudism…
The Khazarian leaders had a well-developed spy network [Just like Fredrick the Great of Prussia -GC] through which they obtained prior warning and escaped from Khazaria to European nations to the west, taking their vast fortune with them in gold and silver. They laid low and regrouped while assuming new identities. In secret, they continued their Satanic child blood and sacrifice rituals and trusted Baal to give them the whole world and all its riches, as they claimed he had promised them, as long as they kept bleeding out and sacrificing children and infants for him…
A centuries-old anti-Semitic myth is spreading freely on far-right corners of social media—suggesting a new digital Dark Age has arrived.
The Dark Ages were rife with plague, fanaticism, and accusations that Jews secretly fed off the blood of children. In 2020, we too are beset with plague, rampant medical misinformation, and a persistent rumor that “global elites” torture children to harvest the chemical adrenochrome from their blood, which they then inject in order to stay healthy and young.
A favorite topic of interconnected QAnon and Pizzagate conspiracy communities, so-called “adrenochrome harvesting” long predates these groups….
HMMMMmmmm, they seem to be protesting that a bit too much.
We know that adrenochrome can be made synthetically, however if it is part of a dark satanic ritual, it is the RITUAL that counts and not the chemical. Also the injecting of ‘Young Blood to stay healthy and young’ is NOT far fetched.
Youngbloodhas a rejuvenating effect when infused into older bodies, according to recent research: Aging hearts beat stronger, muscles become stronger, and thinking becomes sharper.
1050 years ago, in the summer of 965, the great Russian prince Svyatoslav Igorevich defeated the Khazar army and took the capital of the Khazar Kaganate, Itil. The lightning strike of the Russian troops with the support of the Allied Pechenegs led to the collapse of the parasitic Khazar state. Russ committed a sacred revenge, destroying the Khazar “snake”…
Khazar threat
The fight against the parasitic state of the Khazars was the most important strategic task of Russia. The trade and usurious elite of Khazaria, who subjugated the Khazar tribal military nobility, held in their hands all the exits from Eastern Europe to the East. The Khazar state received huge profits by controlling transit routes.
The Khazar Khaganate represented a serious military threat to Russia. Archaeologists have discovered a whole system of stone fortresses on the right bank of the Don, North Donets and Oskol. One white-stone stronghold was located at a distance of 10-20 kilometers from the other. The outposts were located on the right, western and northwestern banks of the rivers. An important role in the construction of these fortresses was played by Byzantine engineers. So, Sarkel (Belaya Vezha) on the bank of the Don was built by Byzantine engineers led by Petron Kamatir. Yes, and strengthened Itil Byzantines-Romans. The Khazar state played an important role in the military-political strategy of Constantinople, holding back Russia….
The Khazars made campaigns and raids in the Slavic-Russian lands. Arab geographer Al-Idrisi reported that Khazar vassals regularly made raids on the Slavs, in order to steal people for sale into slavery. These were not just spontaneous raids, from time to time, but a deliberate predatory strategy on the part of the parasite state. In the Khazar state, the power was seized by the Jews representing the caste of rakhdonites (radanity). This caste of international traders controlled trade between East and West, including the Silk Road and other communications. Their influence extended all the way to China and India. One of their main “goods” were people. The slave clan worshiped the “golden calf” and measured everything in gold….
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This article, along with well researched maps, goes into the History of the Khazars. The KEY is the conversion to Judaism and I agree that it was probably for political reasons.
c) Over time many other tribes appear in what is now south Russia. They are believed to be offspring of the Huns and or other nomadic tribes from the east. These tribes include the Bulgars, Avars, Uguars, and Khazars*. see arrows on map ‘pre-history’
5 – Conversion to Judaism
b) Bulan The first Khazar Kagan [King] and his conversion story. The story first appears in the Kazari published in 1700s*?
c) many different story lines exist to tell the story.
1. Yehudah ha-Levi (c. 1080-1141).
1.1 an angel appears to Bulan and tells him “Your way of thinking is pleasing to God, but not your way of acting.”
1.2 Bulan consults a philosopher, and informs him of his idea; that either the Christian or Muslim religion is the right way of ‘acting’
1.3 Bulan consults a christen sage and says “I do not see any logical conclusion here; indeed, logic rejects most of what you have said…. I cannot accept these things… My duty is to investigate further.”
1.4 He then invited an Islamic mullah [to his court], questioning him regarding his doctrine and observance. After talking to the Mullah he said “Indeed, I see myself compelled to ask the Jews, because they are the relic of the Children of Israel. For I see that they constitute in themselves the evidence for the divine law on earth.”
1.5 (after inviting the rabbi) The rabbi replied: “I believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, who led the children of Israel out of Egypt with signs and miracles;
1.6 After this [conversation] the Khazar king traveled to the caucuses (mountains) and came upon a cave where Jews had observed the Sabbath. The King was circumcised. The King only revealed this to his special friends and when his community of Jews had increased (several more upper-class Khazars then converted) he made the affair public
d) Another story involves the Khazar king inviting three sages to his court. A Christian, Muslim and Jewish sage were summoned. The Jew was said to already be at his disposal [Koestler] and only the other 2 were summoned. The three of them argued and the story goes…….**
e) The other theory is based on a Jewish manuscript that said the Khazars converted when an Army general became king.
Another article, this time from Jews and Gentiles in Israel. They have sourced their information.
“…Hope for Israel is comprised of a dedicated team of Jewish and Gentile believers who work together to bless Israel and see Israel return to God….“
Hope of Israel Ministries (Ecclesia of YEHOVAH):
The Khazar Kingdom’s Conversion to Judaism
With the 👉overwhelming evidence that the modern Ashkenazi Jewish population is of Khazar origin,👈 this would clearly indicate that “their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to 👉be the cradle of the Aryan race;👈 and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” This conclusion would then logically render the epithet “anti-Semitism” void of any meaning!
by HOIM Staff
According to Benjamin Freedman the Khazars’ conversion to Judaism was first precipitated by their monarch’s abhorrence of the moral climate into which his kingdom had descended. Freedman has claimed — and other historians confirmed — that the “primitive” Khazars engaged in extremely immoral forms of religious practices, among them phallic worship. Animal sacrifices were also included in their rites.
The Khazar religious structure centered around a shamanism known as Tengri, which incorporated the worship of spirits and the sky as well as zoolatry, the worship of animals. Tengri was also the name of their “immortal god who created the world,” and the primary animal sacrifices made to this deity were horses. [1]…
So as not to exclude the Islamic account of these events, the following is taken by D. M. Dunlop from al-Bakri’s eleventh century work the Book of Kingdoms and Roads:
“The reason for the conversion of the king of the Khazars, who had previously been a heathen, to Judaism was as follows. He had adopted Christianity. Then he recognized the wrongness of his belief and began to speak with one of his governors about the concern with which he was filled. The other said to him, O king, the People of the Book form three classes. Invite them and enquire of them, then follow whichever is in possession of the truth. So he sent to the Christians for a bishop. Now there was with him a Jew skilled in debate, who disputed with the bishop, asking him, What do you say about Moses, son of Amram, and the Torah which was revealed to him? The other replied, Moses is a Prophet, and the Torah is true.
“Then said the Jew to the king. He has admitted the truth of my creed. Ask him now what he believes. So the king asked him and he replied, I say that the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is the Word, and that he has made known the mysteries in the name of God. Then the Jew said to the king of the Khazars, He confesses a doctrine which I know not, while he admits what I set forth. But the bishop was not strong in bringing proofs. So he invited the Muslims, and they sent him a learned and intelligent man who understood disputation. But the Jew hired someone against him who poisoned him on the way, so that he died. And the Jew was able to win the king for his religion.”
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Koestler presents an interesting alternative to these views. His position was that the king’s conversion was essentially a political decision. “At the beginning of the eighth century,” he writes, “the world was polarized between the two super-powers representing Christianity and Islam. Their ideological doctrines were welded to power-politics pursued by the classical methods of propaganda, subversion and military conquest.”…
The Decline of the Khazars and the Emergence of the Ashkenazim
The Khazarian kingdom reached its peak of power and world influence in the latter half of the eighth century. The death knell of their empire was eventually seen in the dragon-headed ships of the Vikings who were to cross and navigate all the major waterways in their onslaughts. Even the legendary ferocity of the Khazars was outdistanced by these Norsemen who “did not deign to trade until they failed to vanquish; they preferred bloodstained, glorious gold to a steady mercantile profit.” [14]They were also called Rus, from which descended, among others, the Russians.
Because historical Scandinavian literature did not begin until after the time of the Vikings, little of actual fact is known of them, with much of it apocryphal and contradictory and almost none of it laudatory. Of their military powers, however, virtually all accounts are in harmony. In his book, The Magyars in the Ninth Century, C. A. Macartney quotes the Arab historian, Ibn Rusta:
“These people are vigorous and courageous and when they descend on open ground, none can escape from them without being destroyed and their women taken possession of, and themselves taken into slavery.”
Even in light of their viciousness and military prowess, these Norse Vikings focused their pillaging assaults on the Byzantine Roman Empire, preferring to trade with the Khazars rather than to tangle with them. Though eventually outmatched in ferocity, the Khazars were still able, for a while, to exact their ten percent taxes even from the Vikings on all of their “cargo” (more correctly spelled plunder) that passed through their land.
An interesting story emerges from this period of the Khazar Empire that gives a clear vignette of the emerging cultural schematic that was eventually to be scattered throughout the world.
In 912 the Rus Vikings, with an armada of 500 ships, each manned by 100 warriors, were set on invading and plundering the Muslim lands south of the Khazars, with whom the Khazars had a loose alliance of protection due to the thousands of loyal Muslims in the Kagan’s army. The Rus commander sent a letter to the Kagan asking permission to pass through his territory, to which the Khazar king acceded on condition of receiving half of the spoils upon their return.
…The Khazars were neighbors to two world powers: Byzantium and the Islamic caliphate. At the time of the united and relatively strong Islamic empire (the seventh to the tenth centuries) that dominated the vast territory from Spain to Central Asia, the Khazars, a nomadic people from the Eurasian steppes in the North Caucasus and the territory north of the Caspian Sea, created a large, powerful state….
… let us start with their geographical knowledge and their drive to use geography for the advancement of state interests. The Khazars built their state at the crossroads of two strategically important trade routes.
One ran from the Baltic Sea in northern Eurasia to the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea, and the Near East. The other ran from Central Asia (Khwarazm) to modern-day Ukraine and the territories of western Russia.
The Khazars thus placed themselves at a major transit point. Traders, both Muslim and Jewish, from the Near East, Central Asia, and lands that are now Russia and Ukraine visited Khazaria and its capital, Itil, on the river Volga.
It is astounding how well the Khazars understood and used geography to attain their economic and political goals. They managed to control the major rivers of the region: the Volga, the Don, and various estuaries running toward them. They built fortresses and collected taxes at the rivers’ major entrances and exits….
And if you want to get deep into the conspiracy theories… The ruling class of Khazaria were pagans who believed in child sacrifice and certainly, at a minimum, were charging a fee for passing thru their lands. One can see how the Khazars gave the Jews a ‘bad name.’ When they were defeated they scattered, most likely into Europe.
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Then you have Prussia as the ‘horrible invisible enemy’ and not the Khazarian Mafia.
Will Zoll (actually more than one person) has done an incredible job of looking at the history that leads to the present crisis. As well as Prussia and the UK, Will Zoll mentions the Hanseatic League.
Going back in time to try and understand the present is becoming a #PrussiaGate fascination. Every new article seems to lead to more pathways requiring research. There is a lot more we intend to present that will hopefully shed even more light on the ‘horrible invisible enemy’ and expose the evil currently waging war upon humanity.
The Evolution of Slavery series was an incredible journey as we saw how the methods of control that were used way back in history are still being deployed today. In Evolution of Slavery Part I and II, we presented how members of the Hanseatic League had transformed into some of the world’s largest banks and trading houses through a process of systemic and generational chain migration into Great Britain. By the mid-1600s, the Hanseatic League was vanishing from public view. This decline not only coincided with the rise of the kingdom of Prussia, but also a major ‘change of the guard’ within the British monarchy.
To the disgust of many at the time, Britain was ruled by a Catholic King and Queen. Rebel Protestant nobles found this an unacceptable predicament, and took matters into their own hands.
Through the Dutch Ambassador in England, they made contact with Prince William of Orange, and kindly requested that he invade England. In return for a successful invasion, the nobles would invite William to become the King of England, Scotland and Ireland.….
Under William III of Orange’s rule, THE BANK OF ENGLAND WAS FORMED,and the British monarch has remained with German nobility to this very day. By 1871, every German noble pledged their loyalty to the newly-crowned Kaiser of Germany – Wilhelm I, from the House of Hohenzollern, the king of Prussia, and the prince of Orange….
#PrussiaGate has repeatedly contended that the ‘horrible invisible enemy’ we now face morphed into a complex matrix of central banks and globalist corporations after WWII, and is now openly coordinated through the World Economic Forum and controlled via international treaties. These corporate entities are managed and controlled by a shadowy group of private equity managers, hedge funds, and key personnel within the companies. It is hard to know exactly who owns or controls what, but what we do know is this corporate conglomeration owns and controls most of the world’s resources and supply chains, and they make huge profits by engaging nation-states in extortionary contracts….
I tried to connect the Khazars to the Prussians:
Perhaps the best evidence for now is from Kevin Alan Brook this is just one of several of his articles on the Khazars.
The “traditional” view is that Eastern European Jews descend almost entirely from French and German Jews. This essay presents the pros and cons of the controversial “Khazar theory” of Eastern European Jewish origins and will attempt to provide a likely middle-ground solution to the question. Unlike other treatments of the question, this essay uses recent discoveries, is meant to be objective, and is fully sourced so that you can be guaranteed of the authenticity of the information. In summary, I argue in this essay that Eastern European Jews descend both from Khazarian Jews AND from Israelite Jews…
These are a few quotes he includes in PART 2. Scholarly opinions in favor of the Khazar theory
….”When, in 1016, a joint Russian and Byzantine army defeated the already much weakened Khazar army, these ‘Khazar’ Jews were forced to flee once more… These Jews were no longer simply the descendants of Jewish refugees from Greece and Persia. Intermarriage with original Khazars who had been converted to Judaism had introduced central Asian features, high cheek-bones and Oriental eyes… With the destruction of Khazaria some of the Jews found their way back to Greece and the Mediterranean, exiles once more. But many must have taken back with their Russian conquerors to the lands of southern Russia – to Kiev and Kharkov… The Khazar Jews who settled in Russia were not particularly liked or welcomed. Such historical records as survive show for example that a hundred years after their arrival anti-Jewish riots broke out in Kiev itself and many were killed…. Meanwhile, in the very same years that the defeated Jewish Khazars – and there was a second Khazar Diaspora following the Mongol invasion of the area in the thirteenth century – were finding new homes in southern Russia, another group of Jews, numerically much larger, were being driven out of their homes, along the river Rhine.”
“It’s even possible that my ancestry might not move in the direction of ancient Israel at all…. After 965, the Khazars were through as an organized power, but Judaism may have remained, and it may well be that many East European Jews are descended from Khazars and the people they ruled. I may be one of them. Who knows? And who cares?…. Where did all this [my family’s European physical traits] come from? Surely not from any Mediterranean or Turkish people. It had to be of Slavic origin and Scandinavian beyond that – plus a bit of Mongol to account for my B-type blood.”
Isaac Asimov, in It’s Been A Good Life (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, 2002), chapter 1.
According to Altmann, Berthold. …” Jews were able to thrive in trade after the Thirty Years’ War ‘because’ the Hanseatic League became ineffective. ” Sephardic Jews from Portugal came to Northern Europe after 1580 when Phillip-2 of Spain annexed Portugal and introduced the Inquisition. In 1610 there were about 20 Sephardic merchant families in Hamburg. They were protected but held no official “Hans” priveleges. In principal to belong to the Hansa one needed German parents. The Sephardic Jews in Hamburg “were prominent merchants with many contacts and a high turnover in trade. The Hamburg Senate protected the Portuguese Jews much as it did the English community.” In Hamburg, “the senate granted all foreign merchants, including the Portuguese [Jews] equal rights as to export, import and wholesale trade in 1612, while all crafts, dominated by the guilds, remained closed for foreigners.”
Concerning the long-range impression it appears that Hansa cities in succeeding generations were relatively LESS anti-Jewish than other German locales.
“We find partial support for Montesquieu’s famous argument that trade encourages ‘civility.’ Hanseatic cities with a tradition of long-distance trade do not show persistence of anti-Semitism,” Source: PERSECUTION PERPETUATED by Nico Voigtlaender and Hans-Joachim Voth, Working Paper, 2011.
The ruins of a lost Jewish city that vanished 700 years ago have been found, it has been claimed.
Atil, the capital city of the Khazar Empire from about 750 to 969, has possibly been found underneath either Samosdelka or Semibugry! SAMOSDELKA is candidate #1 for possibly being Atil Dmitri Vasiliev and his team believe they located the remnants of the lost city in the newly-found 9th and 10th century layers at Samosdelka, including a triangular-shaped brick fortress and yurt-like huts. [Think Huns] Samosdelka is in the Kamyziak district (raion) in the Volga delta near the city of Astrakhan.
Also take a look at Valerii Zhuravliev’s Russian article “Sensatsiya nashix dney: A vdrug eto legendarnii Itil’?” from the September 20, 2005 issue of Parlamentskaya gazeta, and a report released by the Regnum News Agency on August 12, 2005.
David Keys wrote an article about the Atil digs in BBC History Magazine’s May 2008 issue which says they’ve found, among other things, turquoise-glazed ceramics from Persia, stone cauldrons from Uzbekistan, amber beads from the Baltic region, a dragon-adorned belt end from China, and a copper crucifix.
Aryan is a designation originally meaning “civilized”, “noble”, or “free” without reference to any ethnicity. It was first applied as a self-identifying term by a migratory group of people from Central Asia later known as Indo-Iranians (who settled on the Iranian Plateau) and, later, applied to Indo-Aryans (who traveled south to settle northern India).
The word had no widespread ethnic connotation prior to the 19th century CE other than its usage by the Persians (known as ‘Iranians’ from ‘Aryans’) to distinguish themselves from their Muslim Arab conquerors in the 7th century CE, and even then (it could be argued) it was not so much an ethnic distinction as one of class and personhood. Prior to the conquest, Persia had been “the land of the Aryans” and, afterwards, a term was coined for non-Aryans.
‘Aryan’ became associated with ethnicity and, especially, with light-skinned (Caucasian) superiority, only after Western European scholars began translating, and often misinterpreting, Sanskrit texts in the 18th and more extensively in the 19th centuries CE. Theories had been advanced earlier regarding a correlation between Sanskrit and European languages, but this concept was popularized by the Anglo-Welsh philologist Sir William Jones (l. 1746-1794 CE) in 1786 CE who claimed there was a common source for these languages which he called Proto-Indo-European.
Jones’ claim inspired later writers to identify this “common source” and encouraged the French elitist Joseph Arthur de Gobineau (l. 1816-1882 CE) to develop the racist theories concerning “Aryan Blood” and White Supremacy which would become popularized in Germany through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain (l. 1855-1927 CE), the British-born political philosopher who would become Adolf Hitler’s mentor and inspiration as well as informing the ideology and work of Alfred Rosenberg (l. 1893-1946 CE) which empowered the Nazi Party in Germany c. 1930-1945 CE…
MAGA Lion HAT, who put the Clif High video up on rumble, added this to the discussion.
It should be noted, the ADL defends the Khazars venomously and wants you to think that criticizing this group is anti-Semitic, even though they aren’t really Jewish:
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God is in Control . . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . . Keep Looking Up
Hopefully, every Sunday, we can find something here that will build us up a little . . . give us a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.
“This day is holy to the Lord your God; do not mourn nor weep.” . . . “Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet, and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not sorrow, for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”
Yes! God Really IS in Control!
Is God really in control of life’s circumstances? How much control does He have? If He is not in complete control, then who or what is? How can I learn to trust that He is in control and rest in that?
Is God really in control? The concept of the control of God over everything is called the “sovereignty” of God. Nothing gives us strength and confidence like an understanding of the sovereignty of God in our lives. God’s sovereignty is defined as His complete and total independent control over every creature, event, and circumstance at every moment in history. Subject to none, influenced by none, absolutely independent, God does what He pleases, only as He pleases, always as He pleases. God is in complete control of every molecule in the universe at every moment, and everything that happens is either caused or allowed by Him for His own perfect purposes.
“The LORD of hosts has sworn, saying, ‘Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, And as I have purposed, so it shall stand’” (Isaiah 14:24). Nothing is random or comes by chance. He “purposed” it. That means to deliberately resolve to do something. God has resolved to do what He will do, and nothing and no one stands in His way. “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:10). This is our powerful, purposeful God who is in control of everything. That should bring us great comfort and help to alleviate our fears.
But exactly how much control does God have? God’s total sovereignty over all creation directly contradicts the philosophy of open theism, which states that God doesn’t know what’s going to happen in the future any more than we do, so He has to constantly be changing His plans and reacting to what the sinful creatures do as they exercise their free will. God isn’t finding out what’s going to happen as events unfold. He is continuously, actively running things—ALL things—here and now. But to think He needs our cooperation, our help, or the exercise of our free will to bring His plans to pass puts us in control over Him, which makes us God. Where have we heard that lie before? It’s a rehash of Satan’s same old lie from the Garden—you shall be like God (Genesis 3:5). Our wills are only free to the extent that God allows us that freedom and no farther. “All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: ‘What have you done?’” (Daniel 4:35). No one’s free will trumps the sovereignty of God.
Some people find it appealing to think that Satan has control over a certain amount of life, that God is constantly revising His plans to accommodate Satan’s tricks. The book of Job is a clear illustration of just who has the sovereign power and who doesn’t. Satan came to God and, in effect, said, “Job only serves you because you protect him.” So God gave Satan permission to do certain things to Job but no more (Job 1:6–22). Could Satan do more than that? No. God is in control over Satan and his demons who try to thwart God’s plans at every step.
Satan knew from the Old Testament that God’s plan was for Jesus to come to the earth, be betrayed, crucified and resurrected, and provide salvation for millions, and if there was any way to keep that from happening, Satan would have done it. If just one of the hundreds of prophecies about the Messiah could have been caused by Satan to fail to come to pass, the whole thing would have collapsed. But the numbers of independent, “free will” decisions made by thousands of people were designed by God to bring His plan to pass in exactly the way He had planned it from the beginning, and Satan couldn’t do a thing about it.
Jesus was “delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God” (Acts 2:23). No action by the Romans, the Pharisees, Judas, or anyone else kept God’s plan from unfolding exactly the way He purposed it from before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1 says we were chosen in Him before the world was even created. We were in the mind of God to be saved by faith in Christ. That means God knit together Satan’s rebellion, Adam and Eve’s sin, the fall of the human race, and the death and crucifixion of Christ—all seemingly terrible events—to save us before He created us. Here is a perfect example of God working all things together for good (Romans 8:28).
Unlimited in power, unrivalled in majesty, and not thwarted by anything outside Himself, our God is in complete control of all circumstances, causing or allowing them for His own good purposes and plans to be fulfilled exactly as He has foreordained.
Finally, the only way to trust in God’s sovereign control and rest in it is to know God. Know His attributes, know what He has done in the past, and this builds confidence in Him. Daniel 11:32b says, “The people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.” Imagine that kind of power in the hands of an evil, unjust god. Or a god that really doesn’t care about us. But we can rejoice in our God’s sovereignty, because it is overshadowed by His goodness, His love, His mercy, His compassion, His faithfulness, and His holiness.
But we can’t trust someone we don’t know, and there is only one way to know God—through His Word. There is no magic formula to make us spiritual giants overnight, no mystical prayer to pray three times a day to mature us, build our faith, and make us towers of strength and confidence. There is only the Bible, the single source of power that will change our lives from the inside out. But it takes effort, diligent, everyday effort, to know the God who controls everything. If we drink deeply of His Word and let it fill our minds and hearts, the sovereignty of God will become clear to us, and we will rejoice in it because we will know intimately and trust completely the God who controls all things for His perfect purpose. xhttps://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-in-control.html
But, but, but when I look around at the world, I don’t see clearly that God is winning!
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Furthermore, we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called in accordance with his purpose.
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
For the kingdom of God is . . . righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
My apologies for the delay. Tonight was a comedy of errors.
Check back later; I will insert a commentary. [It’s posted.] Right now I just need to get this posted as fast as possible.
Sorry I forgot to delete that when copying it from five weeks ago. And of course someone spotted it and called me on it so I can’t just wipe it out of existence.
Here’s hoping I manage to delete all four of these paragraphs the next time.
What is it that feeds our battle, yet starves our victory?
January 6 Tapes?
Where are the tapes? Anyone, Anyone? Bueller? Johnson??
Paging Speaker Johnson…this is your conscience calling you out on broken promises.
News Flash
Today, it is still the case that Joe Biden didn’t Win.
I realize that to some readers, this might be a shock; surely at some point things must change and Biden will have actually won.
But the past cannot actually be changed.
It will always and forever be the case that Joe Biden didn’t win.
And if you, Leftist Lurker, want to dismiss it as dead white cis-male logic…well, you can call it what you want, but then please just go fuck off. No one here buys that bullshit–logic is logic and facts are facts regardless of skin color–and if you gave it a moment’s rational thought, you wouldn’t either. Of course your worthless education never included being able to actually reason–or detect problems with false reasoning–so I don’t imagine you’ll actually wake up as opposed to being woke.
As Ayn Rand would sometimes point out: Yes, you are free to evade reality. What you cannot do is evade the consequences of evading reality. Or to put it concretely: You can ignore the Mack truck bearing down on you as you play in the middle of the street, you won’t be able to ignore the consequences of ignoring the Mack truck.
And Ayn Rand also pointed out that existence (i.e., the sum total of everything that exists) precedes consciousness–our consciousnesses are a part of existence, not outside of it–therefore reality cannot be a “social construct” as so many of you fucked-up-in-the-head people seem to think.
So much for Leftist douchebag lurkers. For the rest of you, the regular readers and those lurkers who understand such things: I continue to carry the banner once also carried by Wheatie. His Fraudulency didn’t win.
Let’s Go, Brandon!!
His Fraudulency
Joe Biteme, properly styled His Fraudulency, continues to infest the White House, we haven’t heard much from the person who should have been declared the victor, and hopium is still being dispensed even as our military appears to have joined the political establishment in knuckling under to the fraud.
One can hope that all is not as it seems.
I’d love to feast on that crow.
(I’d like to add, I find it entirely plausible, even likely, that His Fraudulency is also His Figureheadedness. (Apparently that wasn’t a word; it got a red underline. Well it is now.) Where I differ with the hopium addicts is on the subject of who is really in charge. It ain’t anyone we like.)
Justice Must Be Done.
The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system.
Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2024 is hopeless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud is not part of the plan, you have no plan.
Lawyer Appeasement Section
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1. No food fights 2. No running with scissors. 3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone. 4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns. 5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded. 5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty. 6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy. 7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. 8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
Gold was as high as 2,526 or so but then got hammered on Thursday, mostly recovering. Similar things were true of the other metals (except rhodium which didn’t move much at all). Palladium has occasionally dropped lower than platinum, but it posted the strongest recovery (percentage-wise, 4.41%) of any of the five on Friday.
The SteveInCO Federal Reserve Note Suckage Index (FRNSI) stands at 120.570+. (This index is the ratio between the price of gold today, versus the value of the dollar defined as dollars per ounce when we had the gold standard, minus 1 (so that an index of 0 means the dollar is at its original value and doesn’t suck at all). I use that clumsy phrasing because the dollar was defined as a certain amount of gold, such that an ounce of gold was $20.672. It’s a subtle distinction. One ounce of gold wasn’t worth $20.672 back then, it was $20.672.)
The above image of a physician performing a vaccination is courtesy of Google Images and The New York Times.
This post is the first of “Health Friday”, a new series of offerings related to Big Pharma, vaccines, general health, and related topics. It is an honor and privilege to contribute this series to the board. Since today’s post relates to COVID-19 and the COVID-19 “vaccines”, it is dedicated to the memory of Yours Truly’s cousin Bill, who “died suddenly and unexpectedly” in September 2023. However, the discussion will not be limited to what is presented today; it is an Open Thread.
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And now, to dive in. There is a lot to “unpack.”
The modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” induce IgG4-related disease (IgG4-RD.)IgG4-related disease(IgG4-RD) is a term that covers multiple medical conditions, ranging from neurological to ocular to cardiovascular to respiratory to gastrointestinal to urogenital. Since it is a chronic inflammatory condition, there can be more than one location of an IgG4-RD associated ailment within the patient’s body. Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IgG4-related_disease, “IgG4-related disease”, which has a list of symptoms in reported cases of IgG4-RD, and a list of body area sites that can be affected by IgG4-RD. The first instance of what is now called IgG4-RD was discovered in 1892 by Johann von Mikulicz, who diagnosed an “inflammatory disease of the salivary glands” in a patient (this condition was later called Mikulicz’ disease.) In 2021, Hamano et al. found elevated IgG4 levels in patients with Autoimmune Pancreatitis (AIP.) Please see: https://ojrd.biomedicalcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13023-014-0110-z, “IgG4-related disease: an orphan disease with many faces”, Herwig Pieringer, et al., 16 July 2014. It appears that an issue with obtaining a true diagnosis of an IgG4-related disease is that many of the presenting elements can “mimic” other conditions, such as cancer or non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. In addition, IgG4-RD can simply not present symptoms at all, until the patient concludes that “something is going on here.” In terms of the presenting symptoms of an IgG4-RD disease, there are, among others: storiform fibrosis (“spindle-shaped” cells that can, with collagen fibers, form a “flowing arrangement”); and, eosinophilia (high elevation of a type of white blood cell [eosinophils] that supports the natural immune system.) Please see: https://academic.oup.com/mr/article/31/3/529/6300281, “The 2020 revised comprehensive diagnostic (RCD) criteria for IgG4-RD”, Hisamori Umehara, et al., 4 May 2021. (Note: the entire article is restricted access.) Below is a portion from “IgG4-Related Disease” from StatPearls – NCBI Bookshelf, an article by Sudheer Nambiar and Tony I. Oliver (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499825):
There are some IgG4-RD conditions that may be genetically-based; one example is Autoimmune Pancreatitis (AIP.) Please see: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31104539/, “Genetic analysis of IgG4-related disease”, Yuki Ishikawa and Chikashi Terao, 7 June 2020. (Note: again, the entire article is restricted-access.) On the other hand, another IgG4-RD condition, Autoimmune Lymphoproliferative Syndrome (ALPS) appears to strike children. In addition, IgG4-RD conditions can be “immune-mediated” (meaning, the body’s immune system response is either inappropriate or excessive); and/or “autoimmune” (meaning, the body’s immune system attacks healthy tissues in the body.)
Yours Truly will examine the presence of eosinophilia as an indicator of IgG4-RD. This is an important “marker.” And it ties into the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” — the COVID-19 “vaccinated” person’s natural immune system being damaged and/or destroyed by the ingredients and mechanisms of these “vaccines”; and, with repeated injections of these “vaccines” compounding this damage and/or destruction.
The first item is a blog article by Dr. Jessica Rose, PhD: https://jessicar.substack.com/p/igg4-related-disease-and-igg4-means, “IgG4-related disease (IgG4RD) means FIBROSIS and organ destruction”, 28 December 2022. It is now known that the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” induce a “class switch” in the COVID-19 “vaccinated” person’s natural immune system; this “class switch” is the damage and/or destruction of IgG3 immune system cells (these cells help to fight off infections and other enemies that “invade” the natural immune system), replacing IgG3 cells with increased numbers of IgG4 cells (these cells help to allow the body to “tolerate” assaults to the natural immune system.) Repeated injections of modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” exacerbate this process: please see https://doi.org/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798, “Class switch toward non inflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination”, Irrgang P, et al., 22 December 2022. Notice the title: “non inflammatory”, “spike-specific”, “IgG4”, and “repeated SARS CoV-2 mRNA vaccination.” IgG4-RD conditions can present as non-inflammatory (the patient doesn’t notice anything wrong for some period of time, see above in today’s post); however, the IgG4 levels in the patient are high upon examination. Below is a portion of the Introduction of the above paper. Note: Comirnaty was the non-United States version of the Pfizer-BioNTech modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine” BNT162b2. Comirnaty and BNT162b2 are the same product. Note 2: the 2023-2024 Comirnaty modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine” was given full FDA approval for use in the United States on 23 September 2023 for persons age 12 above: www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-receive-us-fda-approval-2023-2024-covid; the version that the FDA authorized (the “2023-2024 Formula COVID-19 Vaccine” by the same company) was for persons age 6 months through 11 years of age (www.fda.gov/media/167211/download.)
Note that the IgG4 cell increase extended for months after the second injection of Comirnaty and was further increased after the third injection. This correlates to the original “two-injection Primary Series” plus the original “booster shot” of Comirnaty that millions of persons took between December 2020 and early 2022. This would also include, since the formulations were the same, of the “Primary Series” and the original “booster shot” of BNT162b2 that were taken by millions of persons in the United States from December 2020, until Comirnaty was given full FDA approval in the United States on 8 July 2022 for persons age 12 and older (at which point, BNT162b2 was “replaced” by Comirnaty except for use in persons age 6 months to 11 years; the FDA authorized the “Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine” for this age group.) This “product name situation” may seem a little confusing: at bottom, it had to with removal of liability for the “vaccine” manufacturer. This will be discussed at a later date.) Note also that “VOC” means Variants of Concern (in other words, the Delta, the Omicron, the XBB.1.5 variants of the SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19] virus, and so on.)
The second item is here: www.phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/reissue_5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf, 5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021, given by Pfizer-BioNTech to the FDA on 30 April 2021. This report covers Adverse Event Reports that were submitted to the company between 11 December 2020 (the date on which the FDA in the United States granted the initial Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for BNT162b2 to be used in the United States, 21 December 2020 (the date on which the EMA (European Medicines Agency) granted its initial EUA for BNT162b2 to be used in Europe / Scandinavia; and, 28 February 2021. The APPENDIX 1. LIST OF ADVERSE EVENTS OF SPECIAL INTEREST, which begins on Page 30 of this report, lists over 1,200 different types of medical adverse events that were reported to Pfizer-BioNTech from the worldwide EUA start dates above. On Page 3 and Page 4 of the APPENDIX 1. (Page 32 and Page 33 of the report), there are the following Adverse Events of Special Interest listed: Eosinopenia; Eosinophilic fasciitis; Eosinophilic granulomatosis with polyangiitis; Eosinophilic oesophagitis. On Page 5 of the APPENDIX 1. (Page 34) of the report, there is listed: Immunoglobulin G4 related disease. On Page 8 of the APPENDIX 1. (Page 37 of the report) there is listed: Sjogren’s syndrome (another type of IgG4-RD.) These are a few of the IgG4-RD types of reports that are listed in the APPENDIX 1. section. Thus, the FDA knew, on 30 April 2021, that BNT162b2 “vaccination” induces IgG4-related disease conditions. Yet, the FDA did nothing to stop the continuing rollout of BNT162b2.
A third item is here: https://mole.substack.com/cp/147758416, a 15 August 2024 cross-post from Lioness of Judah Ministry, “German Study Links Covid Shots to Surge in VITAL ORGAN DAMAGE among Children”. The study found that there was a large increase of organ damage induced by BNT162b2 in children in Germany ages 5 to 11 years old. The study is here: https://journals.lww.com/pidj/fulltext/9900/delayed_induction_of_noninflammatory_sars_cov_2.959.aspx, “Delayed Induction of Noninflammatory SARS-CoV-2 Spike-Specific IgG4 Antibodies Detected 1 Year After BNT162b2 Vaccination in Children”. Kobbe, Robin MD, et al., 30 July 2024. The IgG4 antibodies were detected after the second dose of BNT162b2 (in other words, after the “Primary Series” of two BNT162b2 injections was completed.)
And, a fourth item is here, related to COVID-19, the COVID-19 “vaccines” and autoimmune conditions: https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/long-covid-is-an-autoimmune-disease, “Long COVID is an Autoimmune Disease: Injecting Mice with IgG from Long COVID Patients Induces Symptomology”, by Walter M Chesnut, 4 June 2024. Mr. Chesnut has long posited that the spike protein of the COVID-19 virus itself contains elements that attack the natural immune system of the body of a person infected with this virus; and that the COVID-19 virus itself can induce what is now called “Long COVID.” Yours Truly will add the opinion that the difference between “Long COVID” in a person who is “unvaccinated” against COVID-19, and “Long COVID” in a COVID-19 “vaccinated” person, is this: the natural immune system of the “unvaccinated” person still has the potential to not only fight off a COVID-19 infection, but also to mitigate or eliminate the chance that “Long COVID” may result from the infection; whereas, the natural immune system of the COVID-19 “vaccinated” person has been damaged (or worse), resulting in a much larger potential for “Long COVID” (both in presentation and in duration.)
Yours Truly believes that the COVID-19 virus itself, and the ingredients and mechanisms of the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” (one of these ingredients being a “lab-modified” form of the RNA of said virus), both attack the natural immune system of the body. The COVID-19 “vaccines” have been shown to damage and/or destroy the IgG3 cells of the body’s natural immune system (these cells help to fight off viruses, etc.), replacing these with increased amounts of IgG4 cells (“toleration facilitator” cells.) In Yours Truly’s opinion, one of the important details here is the targeting of HLA cells (human leukocyte antigen cells, a type of white blood cells) by the COVID-19 virus itself, and, by extension, the COVID-19 “vaccines.”
And, from this paper: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10864075, “HLA-DRB1 Is Associated with Therapeutic Responsiveness in IgG4-related disease”, Motohisa Yamamoto, et al., 23 May 2024:
Note that one of the most-recommended and used treatments for IgG4-RD conditions is glucocorticoids (steroids); and that cessation of treatment likely results in relapse of the condition. But, long-term use of glucocorticoids have risks, including high blood pressure and Cushing’s Disease. Please see: www.webmd.com/multiple-sclerosis/what-are-glucocorticoids.
Yours Truly will posit that the lab-created SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus itself, with the lab enhancements made to the mRNA of this virus to create the modRNA of the COVID-19 “vaccines” (such as the SV40 African Green Monkey cancer promoter gene piece in BNT162b2), plus the addition of dangerous lipid nanoparticles (ALC-0159 and ALC-0315 in BNT162b2 and its “descendant” COVID-19 “vaccines”; and, SM-102 in the Moderna mRNA-1273 modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” and its “descendant” COVID-19 “vaccines”) and other ingredients in these “vaccines” — have been, and continue to be, designed to wreak as much havoc and damage on the human race as possible. This havoc and damage includes that done to the body’s natural immune system, its elements, mechanisms, and responses. Recall that the “descendant” modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines” use the original (lab-enhanced) SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19) virus modRNA that was present in the earlier versions of these “vaccines”, but in smaller amounts. Therefore, in one’s opinion, the potential exists for immune system damage in persons who take these “descendant” modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines.”
Until fairly recently, it was not known HOW, or the DETAILS behind WHY, the COVID-19 virus itselfand the COVID-19 “vaccines” have such potential for havoc and damage — all that was beginning to present were, and are, the ADVERSE EFFECTS of the virus and especially of the “vaccines”: turbo-cancers; miscarriages; Bell’s Palsy; deaths; the Adverse Events of Special Interest listings of negative effects induced by BNT162b2 in the APPENDIX 1. cited above. It is now starting to become more clear as to what SPECIFIC elements likely used in the creation of both the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself, and in the development of the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines.” Yours Truly will posit that one of these SPECIFIC elements is something that attacks and compromises at least one important component of the human body’s immune system: the antigen site of the human leukocyte protein DRB1 (HLA-DRB1.) It took time, effort, and large amounts of funding to investigate these SPECIFIC elements; to experiment with them to ascertain the damage that could be caused; then, to “insert” these elements into the SARS-CoV-2 virus itself, and, by extension, into the modRNA COVID-19 “vaccines.” And, as the passage of time obscures or obliterates “fingerprints” of the damage done by the COVID-19 “vaccines” in the “vaccinated” individual, the involvement of these “vaccines” may well become harder and harder to trace (even though the damage is continuing in the “vaccinated” person, since one of the mechanisms of said “vaccines” is to change the DNA of the person who takes them.) Below is Slide 14 from the Palmer, MD and Sucharit, MD, article regarding what the COVID-19 “vaccines” do to the “vaccinated” person’s body. Slide 14 shows how the Pfizer-BioNTech modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine” BNT162b2 changes the DNA of the “vaccinated” person:
Yours Truly will emphasize that it is of the utmost importance that all persons, COVID-19 “vaccinated” or not, have and maintain the highest degree possible of natural immune system health. A healthy diet is one of many ways to support and maintain a healthy natural immune system. Here is an article on this topic: www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322412, “The best foods for boosting your immune system”, by Lana Burgess, 10 July 2018. Among other ways to help the natural immune system are lifestyle changes, regular exercise, taking supplements, and addressing stress, as discussed here: www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-boost-immune-health, “9 Ways to Boost Your Body’s Natural Defenses”, by SaVanna Shoemaker, RDN, 1 April 2020. Yours Truly will add the opinion that avoiding unnecessary antibiotics and “certain injectables” are additional items to consider.
I do not have a twitter or X or Truth or Facebook accounts so I am leaving it to the rest of you to bring the juicy tidbits and funny memes to this thread. -GC
I am first going to start with a quote from Lame Cherry (H/T Tonawanda) since she says what I am thinking. (And I can not type 🙄)
…The major first red flag in this is that the Secret Service NEVER deploys counter sniper teams to former Presidents or events they are involved in. Considering the Trump Campaign was screaming for protection and denied.We now have a reality that although denied protection, or the first time in history counter sniper teams were deployed to Butler.
We might as well get the CIA conspiracy charge focused on this, 👉because the logic is, SS knew a patsy was going to be in Butler and they wanted this person dead, or persons dead.…
So what was the excuse for the deployment of counter sniper teams?
Protection for Donald Trump was heightened several weeks ago after U.S. authorities uncovered an Iranian plot to assassinate him, according to national security officials.
Protection for Donald Trump was boosted several weeks ago after US authorities learned of an Iranian plot to kill him, according to national security officials.
Funny how both of those articles now go to:
Hmmm… the page you’re looking for isn’t here.
However the Intel Community’s mouth piece, CNN now has:
US authorities obtained intelligence from a human source in recent weeks on a plot by Iran to try to assassinate Donald Trump,a development that led to the Secret Service increasing security around the former president, multiple people briefed on the matter told CNN.
There’s no indication that Thomas Matthew Crooks, the would-be assassin who attempted to kill the former president on Saturday, was connected to the plot, the sources said.
The existence of the intelligence threat from a hostile foreign intelligence agency — and the enhanced security for Trump — raises new questions about the security lapses at the Saturday rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, and how a 20-year-old man managed to access a nearby rooftop to fire shots that injured the former president….
…the official told CNN. “NSC directly contacted USSS at a senior level to be absolutely sure they continued to track the latest reporting. USSS shared this information with the detail lead, and the Trump campaign was made aware of an evolving threat. In response to the increased threat, Secret Service surged resources and assets for the protection of former President Trump. All of this was in advance of Saturday.”
Iran on Wednesday denied any involvement in the recent assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally, while also rejecting allegations that it had any “intention for such an action.”
The Washington Post reported Tuesday that the Biden administration had informed the Secret Service of an unspecified threat to Trump from Iran before the July 13 campaign rally. U.S. officials said they believe the attack on the rally, where one attendee was killed and two were critically injured, and where Trump said he was shot in the ear, was unrelated to any Iranian effort.
In a statement, Foreign Ministry spokesman Nasser Kanaani said Iran “strongly rejects any involvement in the recent armed attack on Trump or claims about Iran’s intention for such an action, considering such allegations to have malicious political motives and objectives.”….
Seems the Iranians are NOT interested in taking the Rap for the US Intel Community. 😆 I guess they DO NOT want Big Bad Trump mad at them.
This was the SS walkthrough prep on the venue grounds before the rally.
Bald guy is Tim Burke.
So the women mentioned in the article could be 2 of 3 seen here
Commenter
The woman in the middle with grey shirt is the SS agent on the Trump stage who ducked, and then could not holster her gun – she’s without sunglasses here, but clear from body type, age, hair. I recall reading somewhere that she was the site agent for Butler, but not seeing any evidence.
👉The man on left with green shirt looks like the brick-colored pants/black polo who climbed on the roof at 7:01:36 of Grassley video 3. If Nick Menster was responsible along with Tim Burke, and given they are on the pre-site review, he may be this Nick Menster.
A bit out of place, but a new article on ZeroHedge 2 – pretty long – about Trump’s Secret Service detail and July 13 has some good tidbits.
Here is one:
” **The top supervisors who had to sign off on the security plan for the Butler rally are
Tim Burke, special agent in charge of the Secret Service’s Pittsburgh Field Office, and
Nick Menster, assistant special agent in charge of the Trump detail.”
👉“Burke is a friend of Rowe’s from the time they both served on a counter-assault team together early in their careers. Some critics within the Secret Service community question whether their close ties are impacting Rowe’s decision not to fire Burke or anyone else in the Pittsburgh Field Office.”
The article states that the position of site agent rotates, the woman who was site agent at Butler rally had little experience, and is in Ron Rowe’s crosshairs for scapegoating.
Another run at it with more video provided to Dr. Martenson. I still see it the same way. The deep state tried to assassinate PDT with the first three shots and missed. Patsy dies as cover for the lame lone wolf explanation.
Regime media has entirely moved on from the Trump assassination attempt, and the FBI hasn’t said one word about their investigation into it since July 15th which is 22 days ago.
Excellent video. I like the “shooter in the roof” theory – needs to be considered strongly – and it goes well with the purchase history of the company, too.
My question remains, however: besides the text message saying he was leaving, what proof do we have that he actually left at that time? And why do we have that text message at all? Why was that available/leaked very early on? Misdirection?
MacD
Maybe the reason that GN was so eager to get back into the building ahead of the other people (as seen on the cop car dash cam) was to “help” lead the room checking operation. “Yes sir, I just checked that room – all clear there …”
AlaskanSqueeze hippysteve
Game of CLUE any one ? This is pure speculation. If there was a second shooter.
It was Greg Nicoll in the second floor window. With the AR15.
Greg, was left alone while his partner (Coke?) went to look for Crooks.
A very calm looking Greg is seen leaving the AGR main entrance (And getting locked out) less than two minutes after the shooting.
Greg’s story is he went down stairs to let his buddy back in after he got locked out.
Greg was VERY keen to be the first one back in the building.
The AR15 which was used for shots 4 thru 8 was snuck out of the main entrance by two team members. [There is much discussion about a Halligan breaching tool vs a rifle. –GC]
Finally… Greg just looks guilty… as my Gran would say… “His eyes are too close together !” LOL
[At this point I am going to give up trying to get the multi-paragraph quotation working correctly. This is very long, and it takes way too much time! -GC]
gfgftt5d0q
In the most critical moment of a critical event you leave your post and get locked out.
Would you:
A. Calmly stand there and calmly walk away or
B. Shout “Oh, *uck!” and put your hands up in frustration, radio you are locked out, pound on the door if someone were inside to get them to open door.
Very suspect
P.S. My father says the same thing (eyes too close together).
VegasPatriot
The story did turn out to be true. You just have to look at it from a slightly different perspective.
The story about the counter-sniper leaving his post to go look for Crooks, then getting locked out, came from this X post by Benny Johnson. Johnson stated that it came from “a first-hand source of highest credentials.” Well, it turns out the story was mostly true, the timing involved was just a little off. Greg did leave the building to look for Crooks, albeit close to 2 minutes after shots were fired. He did get locked out of the building, and it appears someone let him back in along with other…
So why did the source leak the story? Was it the cover story he heard from Greg or the other counter-sniper, and knew it to be misleading because the source was one of the LEOs at the Building 6 entrance and wanted the truth to be known by alerting the public of what to watch for? That’s my point. Why was that misleading story leaked in the first place?
Sgt Raven
As for the keys/card. One of the bodycam videos shows someone getting a big set of keys with a white card and AGR sharpie written on it from the glove box of a PoPo car.
This is the photo he is talking about.
BigTim
Intolerance:
but people come out of that building and so far no one has reported about hearing anything coming from inside the building. there was no reports of smoke or anything. so this supposed 2nd shooter was somehow never seen in or out of the building, never heard, and even perfectly accounted for police bodycams, spectators with smartphones, etc. or maybe it’s like that movie Inside Man, he dug a hole in the wall and he walked out of the building a few days later lol
PhaseFive:
The building and all rooms were sure to be checked at some point by officers. So I do not think the 2nd shooter would rely on a locked door to keep his setup a secret. Thus the above ceiling option.
We don’t have a great inventory of who was in the AGR 6 building during the shooting, but from memory here’s what I can piece together.
Videos from the crowd on the west fairly conclusively show nobody entering/exiting the west door.
Videos from the car dash cam on the east, show only Greg Nicols coming out 2 minutes after the shooting. It’s an odd location for him to be, and an odd time for him to exit that location. He could have been standing guard
Let’s not forget the huge gap of unaccounted for time (something like 6 minutes from 6:06 to 6:12, where one or both left their post and we are relying on their statements.
I could theorize and speculate that GN and his partner established a secretive spot and snipers nest above the drop ceiling on AGR6 facing South, looking thru a wall vent. GN would stand guard, and it would take perhaps a minute or so for his team-mate to get down from the shooting position after 1-3 shots.
Evidence to support this:
Absurd cover stories for both of them.
No videos so far of GN searching outside for Crooks as claimed.
Blood in bathroom has yet to be convincingly explained, could have been GN’s partner getting injured getting down from false ceiling hiding spot.
We have radio witness report of someone seen in a window. While vague it would likely have been a south facing AGR#6 window, and could have been GN or his partner looking out from an interior room to check the status.
Some audio analysis and calculations support this location due to sound and calculated distances.
We have yet to know GN’s partners name, who was bleeding in the bathroom, any good interior walkthru or pictures of the building, or many other crucial facts.
Extra credit prediction:
I predict AGR6 mysteriously burns down and some of the members of these security teams mysteriously die off in the near future.
Commenter
It may have been a location above a window, but the possibility of officers checking one of those rooms does not disqualify them as good options for a second shooter, if it’s one of the BC ESUs, as hypothesized by some.
It’s a reasonable assumption that the two BC ESUs were the only people in AGR 6. Having set up, the ESU can shoot 1-3 and leave the room with the rifle (assuming a 5.56 round like Crooks’) and put it back in the the 2nd floor over-watch window – there is no physical hiding needed, if the ESU uses the same rifle for over-watch as for shooting at Trump. The “second-shooter rifle” would be hidden in its identity as a legitimate ESU/SWAT rifle at the over-watch window.
This trip up to 2nd floor to put back the rifle would take 20 seconds.
We saw the LEOs entering AGR6 only 6:15:28, about four minutes after the shots.
20 seconds versus 240 seconds – now this is in hindsight, but an ESU as a second shooter in one of those rooms should be pretty confident that it would take much more than 20 seconds for LEOs to notice the shooting, recognize origin, run over, and enter AGR 6. Very low risk. He’d just need a bag or something over his rifle to capture most of the powder smoke and smell in that room.
VegasPatriot
The 3rd shot was fired at 18:11:33. Greg Nicol exited AGR 6 at 18:13:24. So far he is the only one to be confirmed inside the building when shots were fired. The door gets opened back up at 18:15:23. Therefore, if a second shooter fired shots 1-3 from AGR 6, he would have had about 4 minutes to exit his nest.
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This is a discussion among the commenters at Peak Prosperity about a possible second shooter being in the 2nd story AGR 6 Counter sniper nest or in the rafters above. I am not going to try to nest these comments. Each commenter is separated by [….] within that comment are quotes from other commenters that are indented.
This is a photo of the interior of the AGR building showing the dropped ceiling.
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Intolerance
but on the car dash cam we can hear all 8 shots, they’re all the same, just the last 5 are much faster. if someone was inside then we would hear a major difference.
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BigTim
While I agree that the 8 shots sound the same from the car dashcam, the explanation is plainly obvious. Cars are insulated for sound, muffling the outside world to a large degree (engine noise, sirens, road noise, gun shots, etc.). This is the only video to my knowledge that the 8 shots sound similar.
Intolerance
Okay but we hear all 8 shots on multiple sources around the building. And suppressed weapons don’t leave zero trace behind, so if someone was shooting from the inside, they had to have gone above and beyond on their gear and set up inside of wherever they were hiding for there to be no trace of them visually or audibly. if they were near a vent or a window, someone surely would’ve been able to see smoke? cops clearing rooms would’ve reported smell of gun powder left behind.
As a structural builder mentioned on this forum recently the building probably has large steel trusses in the 5 or so feet above the drop ceiling which would theoretically create a cavity. If so, a clever person or team could lay planks across those trusses in which to lay prone and take shots from a concealed wall vent or other surreptitious design. It’s not far fetched, in fact it’s a reasonable scenario. In the real world, the Malvo assassin laid prone in the trunk of a sedan and fired out thru a hole above the trunk license plate.
I have argued that it would be possible for someone outside to see a flash of light but there would be ways to mitigate that, especially if one sits a good distance back from the opening. As far as “smelling or seeing smoke,” we’re talking 3 shots from under the roof where 5 shots were taken. Any unlikely observed or smelled gunpowder residue would be masked by the shots fired just above the location. I don’t think anyone would think twice searching inside, if they smelled gunfire.
See smoke? Lol. Have you ever fired a AR15? Three shots isn’t producing much “smoke.” It’s not like a raging camp fire.
If concealed well enough and a poor search conducted (steered away by the powers that be who orchestrated it) then the snipers nest could be disassembled in the following hours or days without notice especially as they controlled the entire crime scene…
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Commenter
The recordings outside the police I think have shots 1-3 all sound differently than shots 4-8. They are different in the pace, in the echo, in the spectrogram (= qualitatively to our ears), and even in the snick-boom delay.
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Commenter
Intolerance
but people come out of that building and so far no one has reported about hearing anything coming from inside the building.
Yes, people come out, but much after the shooting. And I believe those people entered after the shooting as well.
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Intolerance
BigTim
Cars are insulated for sound, muffling the outside world to a large degree (engine noise, sirens, road noise, gun shots, etc.).
Gunshots from a rifle coming from inside of a building and outside of a building would be vastly different.
Also if this 2nd shooter now shot from the inside of the building, wouldn’t someone have reported that, or noticed the un-suppressed weapon? Wouldn’t all those cops have been more cautious around the windows instead of just running by without a care in the world?
I get you want to shit on me and prove me wrong every time you comment, but you effectively made your own point make no sense at all.
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BigTim
Intolerance
Gunshots from a rifle coming from inside of a building and outside of a building would be vastly different.
I think you’re simply wrong. Cars muffle gunshots and other noises significantly.
To illustrate my point here’s a safe-for-viewing news broadcast. Cop and suspect get into a gunfight on the side of the freeway. Cop has a presumably 9mm handgun, suspect has a AR or AK longgun. These would normally sound radically different but from the dashcam recording they are indecipherable meaning I cannot audibly tell which is which.
[2 min video]
Intolerance
I get you want to shit on me and prove me wrong every time you comment, but you effectively made your own point make no sense at all.
Has zero to do with you. Don’t take it so personal. I have a level of knowledge in some areas and a background that aids in my analysis and just trying to keep this discussion reasonable and factual as best as possible. If and when I agree with you I’ll gladly say so. Thus far I largely have disagreed however.
Intolerance
Also if this 2nd shooter now shot from the inside of the building, wouldn’t someone have reported that, or noticed the un-suppressed weapon? Wouldn’t all those cops have been more cautious around the windows instead of just running by without a care in the world?
Notice several different cops point their guns at windows, duck to go under windows, do not stand in front of the windows, etc. There were reports and uncertainty about a suspicious man in a window. See CMartensons video from today 8/13. I have also posted about it. It caused a large armed team at about 6:15 to storm and clear ARG #6.
It is speculatively but entirely reasonable for a 2-person team to build a snipers nest in the hollow cavity above a S. facing room, and within the 6+ minute period unaccounted for from 6:06pm to 6:13pm, infiltrate a man to the snipers nest whilst another stands guard at the door, aim, fire 3 shots, exfiltrate, hide suppressed weapon or return it to it’s duty position. IF there was nobody else in the building and all eyes outside were on Crooks then people would likely be drawn to and conclude Crooks was the shooter.
I will repeat from what I said above, that GN’s story is a farse and implausible, we still don’t know who his partner was, why they left thier post for 6+ minutes, definitively whose blood is in the bathroom, why GN and partner were not at their post to stop Crooks or there in the aftermath, who shot Crooks and with what weapon, the ballistics and shell case testing of all 8 shots to match with the barrel rifling and extractor and firing pin, etc.
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Commenter
I’m gonna make a bold prediction: The so far unknown BC ESU/SWAT sniper will be reported as having committed suicide or had an intoxicated accident.
If this comes to pass, we can surmise he was the second shooter who knew too much and had to be suicided or accidented by TPTB
[I certainly agree with this! We have seen such ‘Clean-up’ after the Wiener laptop, Los Vegas, and Jan-6th. — GC]
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Intolerance
As a structural builder mentioned on this forum recently the building probably has large steel trusses in the 5 or so feet above the drop ceiling which would theoretically create a cavity. If so, a clever person or team could lay planks across those trusses in which to lay prone and take shots from a concealed wall vent or other surreptitious design. It’s not far fetched, in fact it’s a reasonable scenario. In the real world, the Malvo assassin laid prone in the trunk of a sedan and fired out thru a hole above the trunk license plate.
Did the shots come from inside the building or not? First you’re telling me shots are muffled, now this person could have been completely undetectable. Whatever. Either way, 8 shots were fired outside the building, that much is clear to me.
Any unlikely observed or smelled gunpowder residue would be masked by the shots fired just above the location.
How would smell of gunpowder on a rooftop mask the smell inside of the building?
I don’t think anyone would think twice searching inside, if they smelled gunfire.
What makes you say that? Why would officers clearing the building not think twice smelling fresh gunpowder inside of the building??
See smoke? Lol. Have you ever fired a AR15? Three shots isn’t producing much “smoke.” It’s not like a raging camp fire.
Yes I have. I’ve also seen different kinds of suppressors fired though that weapon system.
Some suppressors do get gassy, they expel smoke outwards. You guys are telling me there is a 2nd mystery pro assassin guy, but you can’t wrap your brain around the fact that if this person used a suppressor, we don’t know what kind, we have no idea if they were ballin’ on a budget and got something that would expel smoke, we just don’t know.
If concealed well enough and a poor search conducted (steered away by the powers that be who orchestrated it) then the snipers nest could be disassembled in the following hours or days without notice especially as they controlled the entire crime scene…
They wouldn’t have to go through those lengths if they could fire shots from inside the building and never leave a trace, like you keep implying
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BigTim
Who was IN the building? Nobody as far as I can tell from many hours of watching many videos, except GN and an unknown person (presumably his partner). So who is going to report gunshots from inside? It appears nobody was in there but those two. I speculate they made sure of it. GN kept guard at the doors while his partner climbed into the nest.
GN comes out 2 minutes post-shooting, acting EXTREMELY relaxed and too casual, overacting as it appears to me.
But isn’t his post on the 2nd floor of building 2, facing south, that he abandoned 9 minutes earlier. WHY is he down on the 1st floor. What possible, plausible reason has he left his 2nd floor post that it must be noted is literally the best overwatch position of anyone in the area to see Crooks position to stop him, shoot him, and keep the crime scene secure. What possible reason is he down on the ground floor with 20 other cops?
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Commenter
That’s a good one. To better cover a shot from inside AGR, it would be helpful to have as few people as possible just in front of AGR 6. And indeed we saw two characters shooing people away from there:
before the shooting, the pepper-haired, grey shirt/jeans guy at the start of the D Stewart video: “Off! This is no trespassing! Off!”
after the shooting, the sergeant with Butler Township, something to the effect “If you’re not law enforcement, GO!”
And if anyone was left there, like D Stewart, it would be helpful to have them distracted just before:
such as a woman riding a horse with a massive Trump flag back and forth across the southern side of AGR 6
The multiple audio evidence does have 1-3 more muffled than 4-8 (consistent with 1-3 inside), and 1-3 with a shorter snick-boom delay than 4-8 (consistent with 1-3 ~14 ft closer to Trump than 4-8).
I don’t think we need to await someone to report a shot from inside AGR 6 to consider as a credible hypothesis that 1-3 came from inside AGR 6.
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BigTim
Legit question, this has all been discussed repeatedly so at this point are you trolling us? Just throwing up nonsense now. [I left it out -GC]
Intolerance
Did the shots come from inside the building or not? First you’re telling me shots are muffled, now this person could have been completely undetectable. Whatever. Either way, 8 shots were fired outside the building, that much is clear to me. [It was originally 5 then changed to 8 later -GC]
Nobody can figure it out, that’s what we are discussing through clues and process of elimination. This is a detective type decision tree.
Crooks acted alone, yes or no. If yes, then he got extremely lucky to exploit a obvious and fatal defect in an unsecured rooftop to kill and injure during the worst security deficiency in 62 years under totally implausible circumstances.
IF No, then to what extent did the deep state allow or aid it in happening and if so, it’s more likely than not they’d have installed a professional to ensure the job was done right.
If that’s the case, there are finite locations from which the pro could fire, to maintain similar trajectory as Crooks:
Building 7 rooftop, 5 meters taller, about 250 feet behind Crooks. I’ve gone into great detail here as has someone else.
A attic vent of AGR#6 above the drop ceiling.
A tree.
There are arguments for or against each theory. Discussed in hundreds of posts now.
Intolerance
How would smell of gunpowder on a rooftop mask the smell inside of the building?
Intolerance
What makes you say that? Why would officers clearing the building not think twice smelling fresh gunpowder inside of the building??
Seriously? Extremely reasonable for room clearing pipe hitters to quickly look for suspects (e.g. man in a window), weapons, brass, etc. They aren’t doing sniff tests of rooms. They’re rushing thru with guns pointed ready for action. Easily distracted and summoned elsewhere by someone in authority after “all clear.” “Smelling” gunshots is the movies and what a detective would do, not combat laden door kickers rushing thru clearing rooms. News flash, they also aren’t doing DNA swaps or dusting for fingerprints or shoeprints either. They are there to clear rooms, eliminate threats or detain suspects. IF this theory holds correct, 3 shots taken above a false ceiling, mere feet below the roof where Crooks was believed to have fired 8 shots, would be indiscernible to a door kicker clearing rooms. Any incidental smell of gunpowder would be EASILY explained by their perception that 8 shots were just fired on the roof 10 feet above them.
Intolerance
Some suppressors do get gassy, they expel smoke outwards. You guys are telling me there is a 2nd mystery pro assassin guy, but you can’t wrap your brain around the fact that if this person used a suppressor, we don’t know what kind, we have no idea if they were ballin’ on a budget and got something that would expel smoke, we just don’t know.
I don’t know man, it’s a theory. “Gassy.” “Smokey.” It’s 3 shots. Almost no gas or smoke at all, and almost no smell. Shall we go over every suppressor on the market now? I’m pretty confident a professional sniper could select the best tool to suppress gasses and flash for this task if it played out that way. BTW, yesterday you baulked at the notion that a few thousand dollars would be expensive for Crooks yet a suppressor is “ballin” money for deep state assassin? Say wha??!!
Intolerance
They wouldn’t have to go through those lengths if they could fire shots from inside the building and never leave a trace, like you keep implying.
Oi vey. Did I say they’d never leave a trace at any time? No. So now you’re fabricating or changing information. I said there are ways to muffle sound, flashes, and the gunshot noise and smells would be effectively confused and concealed by the gunpowder on the roof above. I did not ever say “never leave a trace.” What I did say is that they control the crime scene and could alter or dispose of evidence at a later time in this scenario.
I’ll be going non-responsive unless your dialogue starts to get less troll-y and more reasonable and fact based.
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brian60221
Your comment [BigTim] helped bring something into focus for me. What seems to have happened is that GN and his partner missed a kid assembling a gun and crawling around on the roof they had overlook of, OK. But then shots ring out, and the shooter is killed, but neither GN nor his partner happen to glance out the window of their building to see the shooter lying there dead. And then he comes downstairs with his gun drawn like 90s after the shooter has been killed, and then starts running around looking for him. This is what we are supposed to believe.
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Big Tim in reply to Intolerance
Guy, I’ll repeat it for probably the 20th time on this forum. I bought my first AR15 about 25 years ago, and have owned many more since. I’ve fired untold high number of rounds thru many different AR15s. I own them in at least 3 calibers as well 223/556, 308, and 762 Tokarev (custom made). I qualified repeatedly expert and sharpshooter on the M4 many times, and went to war in OIF many times. I’m intimately familar with the platform. I have a similar history with all firearms, handguns, shotguns, rifles. I’ve been to a LOT of indoor and outdoor ranges, more than I can recite. I’ve shot unique guns most gun owners have never shot.
So with that out of the way, I know exactly what gun powder smells like, even the ammonia smell of corrosive ammo. Like what I shot on Sunday out at the range for 4 hours shooting 12 different guns, pistols, rifles, and shotguns.
Assuming the hypothesis that someone fired 3 rounds from a concealed position in the ceiling followed by someone else firing 8 rounds on the metal roof maybe 10 feet above him. There’s very little chance that a team of men clearing the building for threats would have had the presence of mind to smell these few gunshots and even if they did there’s almost zero chance they would have pinpointed that they came from a specific location inside versus just assuming they came from the rooftop where they’d also have assumed 8 rounds had been fired.
Again, these door kickers and room clearing guys, and even the cops afterwards, if they even smelled a faint smell of gunpowder, would almost certainly have assumed it was from the rooftop. These men are primarily there to find threats, not dust for evidence, pinpoint gun powder smells, etc. Notice these men cleared out and didn’t look for any evidence. That doesn’t mean a lack of evidence, it means they weren’t LOOKING for evidence. They were looking for threats.
We know I’m right. I’ll illuminate the behaviors of the rooftop door kickers. They moved Crooks’ rifle away, ziptied his hands, searched his pockets, and then stood guard. They didn’t pull out a market to circle the brass, they didn’t get down prone to check the angle of trajectory, they didn’t put down any tape to secure the area, they didn’t fingerprint him, they didn’t grab the gun serial number, they didn’t gather brass, they didn’t smell the rifle, etc. they literally secured the area and guarded it from threats. Zero detective work. Just door kicker work, of securing the area.
Furthermore, that does not even factor the possibility that a professional would use air fresheners to mask the smell. A few Glad air fresheners or a potent air spray would easily cover it.
You’ve attempted to use an analogy of a indoor gun range. I have bad news for you. Those see HUNDREDS of rounds daily. And the general smell would make it impossible to pinpoint which stall was the origin of a specific gun powder. You can generally smell gunpowder in the lobby of a gun shop from the gun range. Do you assume that a gun was fired in the lobby, or more likely it was fired in the gun range? Obviously you assume the gun range is the origin of the smell. So your analogy is bad on at least 3 levels.
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Starting HERE is a discussion of the timing of the shots 1-3 vs 4-8, types of weapons and such.
I am going to leave this discussion at that. However I am going to add a point that is NOT brought up. AGR was bought by an LLC formed by globalists in January 2023. This was JUST AFTER Trump announced his 2024 presidential bid on November 15th of 2022. 🤔
New management often does renovation to buildings after they buy a corporation. It would be incredibly easy to build the sniper’s nest in the rafters AND ADD VENTILATION in the time after the purchase and before the assassination attempt. A fan could be hard wired or battery operated. Heck I have a ventilation fan in my attic. I run it all summer. So a fan just under that metal roof, above the ceiling tiles, would not be considered uncommon.
The AGR purchase:
…March 16, 2023 /PRNewswire/ — Indicor, LLC (“the Company”) today announced that Doug Wright will join its Board of Directors and become the Company’s CEO, effective April 1.…
Agr International Inc., a provider of quality and process control technologies for plastic beverage packaging, is being purchased by
Our#futureshapers have been busy helping cities plan their future. Honeywell and Accelerator for Americajust launched the Honeywell Smart City Accelerator Program to help cities strategically plan their futures.
AGR’s management team will continue to lead the business from its Butler, PA, headquarters. AGR’s name, brands, and operational footprint will not change as a result of the transaction. The business will be led by AGR’s President, Sudha Jebadurai. — YAHOO NEWS
4:26 Beaver County CS text continued …“I’m just letting you know because you see me go out with my rifle and put it in my car so he knows you guys are up there sitting to the direct right on a picnic table about 50 yards from the exit,” he wrote of the suspicious person who turned out to be Crooks.
Around 5:10 p.m., Crooks was below the counter-snipers who were inside the AGR International building warehouse where the 20-year-old eventually climbed onto the roof and from which he fired his AR-15, the Times reported.
Now we have another person in tan knee-high shorts, that might be called “white short”, even has black shoes & Scrawny looking, just like the gunman… And he looks very out of place and nerveous at the enterence to the east side…
Another white-shorts guy was over on the west side by the retaining wall, and he hung out their long enought to interact with officers searching for the suspect…
You can see him in this image but watch his movements in the clip used in the video… Remember, he was calmly sitting at the retaining wall while others were alerting LEO’s, then as one LEO was back stepping, inches away from a spot where he’d be able to see the Gunman’s position, the guy in white shorts draws his attention to the wrong side of the cooridor between the two buildings… This brings the LEO away from a view across building 6’s north roof face… He then moves around the Uni-cop, keeping him looking down the wrong side of the gap between the buildings… This is orchestrated confusion…
On day one of this incident, when i saw that first video or the first people alert to the threat, that guy’s placement and behavior grabbed my attention as verious suspicious…
I backed off on my suspicion until i saw him draw the Unicop away from a line of visibility to the gunman… Plausible deniability and plausible excuseability are in action on either side of the building where the shooter could have been seen…
This may be the same gentleman that is seen sitting on the wall that Crooks was photographed at as Crooks is walking around the front of the south side of AGR building, (note Greg Nicols sniper riffle in window)…and i believe much later that he directs an officer towards the north to where Crooks climbed onto building 6 before the shooting occurs…that may not be included in the clip you show…(cant remember where from though)
Thanks, that adds one more picture to the collage of his white-hat-Double’s activity… The video you reference and this image make differentiating features hard to see. Your image looks to show a white hat, but not his white socks… The person in the video looks to have black socks but the head is not visible in the clip… No time-reference adds an ID challenge… I’m guessing that he’s my guy…
He was sitting on the ground at the time of the first sighting of “Guy On The Roof”…
That was posted to another podcast. I modified my initial impression when the timing of various spotings, from different videos-sources, was sorted out and corrected & discarded… But when i found this video with an apparent Distraction Dance, my suspicion returned and is climbing…
Has any bodycam footage been seen from interactions at the first sighting location, especially LEO’s contact with this guy? If not, why not??
This guys activity/movement needs to be more carefully ploted because image angle can distort relative position and proximity…
Due to my subscription level & technical limitations i may not be able to post a thorough recomstruction…
I may be getting the wrong impression from the camera angle, but him being so close to the retaining wall, and then backing up toward the venue away from the 2 story & away from what would seem to be an ideal viewing spot to the north of the gap and well west of 2-story’s west wall, seems be an intential action that may have had nefarious purpose. Or so it seems…
Your username describes something that i’d like to catch to detach from thi chaos, but escape may not be very helpful to dealing with the problem…
Thanks again.
nesum-dourma
His pants and scrawnyness caught my eye when Chris mentioned him… Put a grey shirt on him and from a distance held look like the white-pants suspect…
I used him as a carrot to draw attention to the pre-shooting west-side activity, which seems far more important than the chaos on the east after any gauntlets were already nevigated by the gunman and his vulnerable west side was successfully guarded, by possibly two people’s presence & interaction with LEO’s…
But this too may be a distraction away from the glaring non-reactiveness of officers on the west side where the gunman made his approach, and was most vulnerable as he got into final position on the north roof…
As everyone can see in the videos from the east, via overly wide angle footage that exaggertes distance, the east side observer’s vision was hindered by the sun angle…
A careful planner would take this into account and put his backdoor blocker team on the west side, right where the long-haired guy was spotted at the retaining wall…
That exaggerated distance detail needs to be strongly highlighted by influencers, because media people are making commentis about distances based on video footage which is distorted by the camera lens… LEO would have had a far better view than their cameras would provide… That disparity needs to be magnified to thwart plausible_excusibility…
Sorry about dangling that carrot…
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This guy is dressed so similarly to Crooks, he may be a decoy to draw attention away from Crooks and confuse LEOs
nesum-dourma
That’s the word i was looking for, a decoy, its exactly the impression i’m suggesting… Thnx!
The day was a hot one and this guy sat in the glaring sun as if he was a cold blooded critter trying to stay warm… Which is entirely possible, until his action drew a disruptive LEO away from a position with a clear view of the gunman while he was occupied assembling his weapon and was vulnerable…
Maybe there is another explanation… That is why raising this, in the shuffle of clues , to a higher priority may draw out the bodycam footage or an explanation about this guys intent… He drew the officer southward rather than west and north where the plane of the roof crosses his eye’s level…
I’m trying to coax John Cullen to put these details into his visual modeling program…
I don’t know how to determine if the LEO was approaching backward to the ideal location, but when i saw a guy come toward him from behind and then vear away when the cop got drawn away, i got to thinking he WAS on the right path to a neutralizer’s position, then he was taken off the scent…
Coincidental??? I think not… This is high stakes poker… A lot is riding on watching the play closely for card tricks… They are dealing off a stacked deck…
But we must not get overly suspicious, that can be used against us and it harms us spiritually…
A preliminary investigation report by Rep. Clay Higgins (LA-R) has revealed the body of Trump rally shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks is gone.
In Rep. Higgins’s report, he wrote that on August 5th, when he requested to view the body of Thomas Matthew Crooks, he was told the body of Crooks was “gone.”
The representative from Louisiana further noted that the FBI released the body to be cremated just ten days after the shooting occurred on July 13…
On top of that the FBI scrubbed down the scene removing any biological material. So there went any possibility of determining just who the shooter shown on the roof actually was. OR determining if the body shown actually had wounds from the rifle being splintered. OR if there was one or more shooters on that roof. -GC
Butler Coroners office never did the autopsy, it was shipped to an Allegany County Medical Examiner’s office. Lots of things smell in this latest update. At this point it seems iffy to even say it was Crooks who was cremated.
WIKI says Allegheny county is “… the state’s second-most populous county, after Philadelphia County. Its county seat and most populous city is Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania’s second most populous city. The county is part of the Greater Pittsburgh region of the state..” So you KNOW it is heavily Demonrat. — GC
H/T Tonawanda
However one regards Lame Cherry, her assessment of J13 is very reasonable and plausible:
The “FBI” cremating the body of purported Crooks IMO is by itself sufficient to prove their evil involvement. It is not only destruction of critical evidence, it is a means to spawn confusion and chaos by blatantly proving a murderous conspiracy, the specifc details of which will never be known.
Forcible interrogation of the “FBI” agents who caused the cremation, and the agent who performed the cremation (if there WAS a cremation), should be the starting point in working back to others involved.
I realize this will never happen. At this point we know there is no agency, organization, or persons who will have the ability to conduct an investigation even if there was a genuine intent to do so.
So we are left knowing without knowing, the daily MO of those who control us. And what are we to do, can we do?
IMO making direct accsations, regardless of the level of evidence, is a way to start. For example: “The FBI and SS were engaged in an assassination attempt to murder a political oppponent.” We are entitled to make the accusation (in part) because of the efforts to hide what happened, again regardless of the level of evidence. Under the circumstances there is at least enough to support reasonable suspicion, and that is enough.
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy
Reply to Tonawanda
Great points! Let me repeat and enhance them.
First, I want to sharpen the accusation. For a reason.
Elements within both the FBI and US Secret Service, including some in leadership positions, were engaged in an assassination attempt to murder a political opponent.
This clarity puts elements WITHIN those organizations ON OUR SIDE. They are in a position to help us obtain evidence.
Next, I want to emphasize what you are saying – that a circumstantial case exists, and that it is STRONG.
And particularly this – that the elements within FBI and USSS are behaving in ways that show classic consciousness of guilt, and are now naturally suspect by any sound perspective of law enforcement.
We need to enhance (in a kind of reversal of classic communist strategy) the perspective of a contradiction – of law enforcement being the suspect of criminal behavior. This allows the internal fight in these organizations to fester, to break into the open, and to then resolve in our favor (whatever that outcome is).
Every call from our mouth that these agencies must be destroyed makes them live longer. That contradiction is used against us, over and over. Likewise, calls that they “only need reform” – also bullshit, but a different kind.
We should not care if the organizations are reformed or destroyed – only that the infection is brought to sunlight and sterilized. Whatever happens, happens. The true fight is to reveal the evil and hypocrisy in the organizations, and to make the guilty parties pay. That is what Trump did in 2016, and it was so effective that the evil elements in DOJ and FBI went all the way with operations like VEGAS.
H/T Tonawanda
Does this remind you of the Intel Community and the Media?
…An FBI spokesperson tells Fox News Digital that any suggestion the agency is interfering with congressional efforts to look into the attempted assassination “is inaccurate and unfounded.”
The agency said that Crooks’ body was released to his family after coordination with the coroner’s office as well as state and local law enforcement partners “in keeping with normal procedures.”…
My lead candidate for blood in the bathroom was the officer who tried to get over the edge of the roof and dropped down hastily. He is said to have needed stitches. That even fits the timing of the blood in the bathroom which was discovered later.
You can go to this LINK to follow that discussion.
To me the key is the body cam footage of the officer in question. The evidence from the police body cam shows him going up on the roof. (You even see his hands) then he drops down AND RUNS TO HIS CAR, he is so upset, he has trouble opening the door (Electronic) then grabs his rifle and puts it together. (you can hear him puffing) he then goes back and CLIMBS ON THE ROOF A SECOND TIME AFTER THE SHOOTER IS SHOT. — GC
New bodycam footage shows a police officer being hoisted onto the roof to confront would-be assassin Thomas Crooks just two minutes before he opened fire on Trump and rallygoers on July 13 in Butler, Pennsylvania…
the article contains a 6:36 minute video.
~ 2:15 he gets his gun. ~ 3:50 he describes what he saw on the roof `6:00 “Hey Jessie you got me up once…”
So no he did not go and clean up.
Then there is the discussion that actually IDs the probable cop who left the blood. – GC
…One big mystery is whose blood was it in the bathroom that caused a second shooter panic to briefly ensue causing nearly every officer of every flavor to rush into the building in haste?
We can account for every person going into and out of the building through door #9 and none of them appear to be “an operator” whose hand was injured enough to leave blood all over an interior bathroom.
This mystery definitely needs to be tied up.
Another mystery centers on a dodgy-looking handoff of something that might be a gun, or it might be a door-breaching tool. It’s hard to say, but it’s on a sling. On second look, and under higher magnification, I’m going with door-breaching implement. What do you think?
Then from Higgins Report:
“…Shot nine “hit Crooks’ rifle stock” and fragmented into the shooter’s face, neck, and right shoulder area from the stock breaking up into pieces, the congressman said….”
Aubergine posted this photo of the rifle that was supposedly hit.
I saw the video by Copenhaver positioned from behind PT yesterday,
where one can actually see two people on that roof.
The original one is the person who runs across the roof, but to the left is another person deep in shadow. Under what looks like a red boom arm…under an overhang. Fairly easy to see.
I watched the video (18 sec) at the slowest speed and there is something white moving right next to the black under that red boom arm. Also according to earlier reports the leo team on the 2nd floor could not see the shooter AND were not at their post at the time of the shooting. One left to go home, one left to chase the shooter and forgot his key card ( Greg Nicol) and the third had to go down stairs to let him back in. – GC
The story about the counter-sniper leaving his post to go look for Crooks, then getting locked out, came from this X post by Benny Johnson. Johnson stated that it came from “a first-hand source of highest credentials.” Well, it turns out the story was mostly true, the timing involved was just a little off. Greg did leave the building to look for Crooks, albeit close to 2 minutes after shots were fired. He did get locked out of the building, and it appears someone let him back in along with other LEOs. The question becomes, why did that first-hand source leak that story” Inquiring minds want to know.
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Good point, a partial lie to misdirect? So this suggests that Greg Nicol was inside AGR during the shooting, and to cover this the story was planted that one ESU sniper left post to look for Crooks and the another to let him back in AGR?
One very suspicious conversation involving “bathroom” and “AGR” over phone is this is Dropbox video 7. What’s weird is the desire for secrecy:
7:22:21 Cruiser LEO: “Hey, are you still recording on your body camera?”
… silence for a good 3.5 seconds …
7:22:28: “Was.”
7:22:30: Cruiser LEO asks confused: “Hey, um, where, where, where were you at when … I thought you was in the bathroom! … Tom and Evenson were talking and you end up being up here!”
7:22:38: Cruiser LEO exclaims, “Yeah, I thought you went to the bathroom! And you said, what did you say? ‘I’m at the AGR’”!
For some reason, the Cruiser LEO does not want this conversation to be recorded. Then he wonders about why his buddy in the convo was not in the bathroom but supposedly in AGR.
@cmartenson July 29, 2024 FBI press call update of Trump’s assassination attempt at Butler, PA There is also a few questions taken from reporters at the end. Some highlights & excerpts taken from the update: seven local law enforcement officers injured either as a result of the shooting or from their actions during the initial response. identified the model of the rifle the subject used; a DPMS AR-15 style firearm designed to shoot 5.56-millimeter ammunition. the weapon was purchased…
And we still do not know who the second ESU sniper assigned to 2nf floor over-watch was – Greg Nicol has been identified, why not the other?
It’s hard to tell if all the people we see leaving AGR later in the video are the same ones who went in. If someone different were exiting, it could well be that second ESU sniper. But if he is not leaving AGR, why stay inside, especially since GN left? Could he be the one who bled?
I find it notable that the plain clothes, who had been on the western grounds of AGR 6 and would have heard and seen people pointing to Crooks with rifle on roof – and seemed so inept then – happen now to converge quickly to the eastern side of AGR 6, to know Greg Nicol and chat with him (D Stewart video), and to be among the first to rush into AGR 6 when the door opens. Why were they apparently so dismissive and inept on the west side, but on the east side so urgent and keen to go in?
Also, Chris points out that GN exits pretty relaxed (and chats relaxed with plain clothes), but then is keen to be the first back in AGR 6, even though he was not the one closest to the door. It’s almost as if he wants to clean up a scene inside before others get to it.
In one of the bodycam videos with the yellow steel fence there are three or four officers waiting in front of AGR asking to go in to clear the bldg. The doors are locked. No one says anything and they just stand there waiting for what seems like forever. Wasn’t this of enormous importance to get in? To clear the bldg? Also, I just watched 2hrs of cruiser cam footage and no officer comes over with that handful of key cards for the door. Maybe cruiser footage started afterward? If not, is Greg the only one inside?Maybe some reason not to rush in to clear the bldg? Greg casually walks out the door. I wish I had all of the footage stored so I could easily check this out.
BWC2-122117 @19:10.15s Officers…units inside have fresh blood in one of the bathrooms…fresh blood inside in one of the bathrooms…
@19:10.58 there was an opperator who injured themselves…were not sure…
@19:11.41 Trooper Graham was bleeding in that building…Trooper Graham was bleeding
@19:11.53 there was a trooper that was bleeding inside the building
This is the conversation @RealDJStew724 heard from the transmission of the Patrol officer after he had been moved from the AGR building in and was standing outside of…as seen in body cam video…
carrying on from transcript this is a reply to, from different source video.
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(Patrol Car Audio…that may be a different channel than officer transmissions)
@19:10.06 “13 05 officers officers units inside they have fresh blood in one of the bathrooms…theres fresh blood inside one of the bathrooms…which buildings XXX…the main building…the main big one…the main big one…we need to hold a perimeter around these buildings guys…”
@19:10.55 “the one the operator may have injured himself we are not sure”
@19:11.09 “check in on your operators for any injured and bleeding”
@19:11.20 “13 05 “i know you have probably heard it reported fresh blood in one of the bathrooms in the main AGR building…correction AGR building and then um one of you guys may have been bleeding…were double checking”
@19:11.39 “command Trooper Graham was bleeding in that building…Trooper Graham was bleeding”
@19:11.49. “There was a BSP Trooper that was bleeding inside the building”
the video i am referring to as its on @RealDJStew724 youtube page…title ” (8/9) Trump Rally (07/13/24) Butler, PA. Bodycam Footage “bwc2-1221172”
This evidence is a good video to add to the dropbox.
I think this 3:44 minute video shows a Trooper in a blue uniform injure his hand climbing the fence around the 0:45 mark. Looks to be the same white trooper, no badge, camera on left breast pocket, radio cord on left side. A FOIA for his camera would be useful if anyone is filing FOIAs to see where he went and got treatment.
It also shows SS red tie guy trapped on the stage side of the fence to show his whereabouts immediately after the shooting (and by default, immediately before/during).
We see where the black tactical collapsing ladder comes from in this clip.
We see a lot of the police officers and LEOs in black tactical gear if we need to identify whereabouts.
We also get to see a clip of the first 4 guys on the roof but nothing before that showing who arrived first and in what order or any activities prior to what we already have, essentially.
Law Enforcement Officers Struggle to Get Through Fences Amid Trump Shooting
[You can see one state trooper at the beginning of the video may have cut his hand climbing the fences because he looks at his hand at 0:46 Starting at 2:28 running in from the right is a guy in tan tactical gear carrying a collapsible ladder. At 3:16 you can see two cops, SS? in black and two in tan tactical on the roof. — GC]
Good catch! The two in your video, the PA State policeman who cut his hand on the fence along with the secret service black polo who jumped the fence, also appear in the other video posted by Chris, arriving at 6:15:00 at door 9 of AGR 6. When the PA State trooper goes in, he may soon enough visit the bathroom to address his cut and any blood.
I hope that gives you a lot to chew on for the rest of the day. I also hope it was not too confusing… I STILL HATE WORD PISS! – Gail
I have said a few times in the last couple of weeks that the Tim Walz stolen valor scandal has hit me hard and made me furious, because it is personal.
Yet I have never been in the military. I have never served in combat, been shot at, or seen a buddy die. But I was married to a man who was in the Gulf War, and I did pay a heavy, scary, and emotional price for his service.
I met my ex while he was still in the military, but no longer in a combat deployment. The Gulf War was over, and he was Stateside. Being in the Navy, he did do one more six-month tour on the seas before he got out, and we married. I got pregnant with my fourth, and last, child the week we got hitched.
From the start, my pregnancy was just “off.” I didn’t feel like I did with the first three. I was not really more sick than usual or anything, I just felt weird. Ultrasound showed a normal baby developing in there. But I just knew something was up.
About four months in, an antibody in my blood tests showed up as elevated. I was told I had a blood incompatibility with my unborn son. My immune system was rejecting him. Similar to the Rh factor problem, but 20,000 times more rare, and there was no easy way to treat it. At first, I had to have blood tests monthly to check the antibodies. The numbers got too high in the seventh month, and the tests increased to weekly. If the numbers crossed a threshold, it meant an in-utero blood transfusion.
Needless to say, I was terrified for my baby boy.
I started asking questions about my then-husband’s service in the Gulf. The existence of “Gulf War Syndrome” was at that time being talked about but denied. I was advised to call a “hotline” that was set up at the time to answer questions. I called, of course, immediately.
I was told that there were NO anomalies in pregnancies of children of Gulf War vets. That “Gulf War Syndrome” was not a thing, it was a cluster of statistical coincidences. That I could not POSSIBLY be having any type of prenatal issues that had ANYTHING to do with the Gulf War. Nothing to do with the war, they said. No way, no how.
With that, I reported back to my doctor. She continued to monitor my blood. Thankfully, the antibodies never reached that critical line requiring a transfusion into his tiny developing body. My son was born three weeks early, healthy and beautiful.
And guess what? When they tested his blood, the “incompatibility” that had caused my immune response to reject my own child DID NOT EXIST. The doctors were utterly baffled.
Whatever my body was reacting to, it wasn’t present in his blood at birth. This has never been explained to me, but within a year or two, the military had acknowledged “Gulf War Syndrome.” And they had admitted to prenatal anomalies and problems, too. It was real. I will probably never know exactly what was wrong in my case.
This whole story is my way of saying that it isn’t only soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines who suffer the consequences of war. It is wives, children, sweethearts, parents, friends, and others. And WE are offended to the very bones by someone who would PRETEND to have paid the price of a combat deployment, WE are offended by someone who would PRETEND to have given his best for the men under his command. The men who would come home and, in my case, father children who ALSO paid a price for their service. With a wife who paid, too, in fear.
Stolen Valor is craven, venal, dishonest, and immoral. “Tampon Tim” AWalz is a despicable, cowardly POS. He should not be Vice President. He should not even be a small town mayor. He shouldn’t be anything but ashamed.
