Dear KAG: 20200108 Open Thread

Are we up now? Out of post-holiday hibernation mode on this hump day in the darkest time of the year? If not, here’s some inspirational music.

Okay, so here’s the deal. This is the open thread. This is where we all come to get the news that other Q tree inhabitants think is worth knowing and sharing. Please, post links to any “news” stories quoted, and ask for help if you are stumped as to how to do that. We’re a friendly lot. Someone will be with you shortly, and there is no reason to have to press one for English.

Free speech, and the open exchange and hashing out of ideas is not only allowed, but encouraged. If we all don’t use it, we’re going to lose it. There are, however, limits to civility, and those limits are strictly observed here. We are all on the same team. No personal threats, baiting, name calling and other behavior you would not want someone else to do to you is allowed. I mean, this could happen.

There is absolutely no reason for infighting to result in burning down the tree, house up in the branches and all. Yes, it can be rough to temper speech. However, those who would like to slog it out from the comfort of the seat behind your keyboard, Wolf has provided a venue known as the UTree. Please, take it there.

And now for some house keeping:

There are a few rules here in the branches of the Q Tree. Our host, Wolfm00n, outlined them in a post on New Years Day 2019. Please, review these rules from time to time, say when in line during the post holiday clearance sales.

Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Steve suggests – to be accurate – no shooting at the nuclear weapons, but to be safe about it, don’t event point firearms toward them. I, Deplorable Patriot, bossy chick that I am, request no teasing the animals, pets and wildlife alike. FG&C asks that you wash your hands, wipe down all non in-home surfaces, and take some vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, and get plenty of rest.

And this week we have a new one: please, pretty please with sugar on top, no celebratory gunfire…at least not indoors.

Teasing and trolling the lefties and their bastions, on the other hand is a moral imperative.


One of today’s antiphons from the Prophet Isaiah, Chapter 9:

The people that walked in darkness, have seen a great light: to them that dwelt in the region of the shadow of death, light is risen. [3] Thou hast multiplied the nation, and hast not increased the joy. They shall rejoice before thee, as they that rejoice in the harvest, as conquerors rejoice after taking a prey, when they divide the spoils. [4] For the yoke of their burden, and the rod of their shoulder, and the sceptre of their oppressor thou hast overcome, as in the day of Median. [5] For every violent taking of spoils, with tumult, and garment mingled with blood, shall be burnt, and be fuel for the fire.

[6] For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace. [7] His empire shall be multiplied, and there shall be no end of peace: he shall sit upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom; to establish it and strengthen it with judgment and with justice, from henceforth and for ever: the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. [8] The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel. [9] And all the people of Ephraim shall know, and the inhabitants of Samaria that say in the pride and haughtiness of their heart: [10] The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with square stones: they have cut down the sycamores, but we will change them for cedars.

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome.

Back to the real world.

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Elizabeth Carter

This is important in my opinion:


Do we have enough room for an outdoor grill at Qtreehouse?


And a swimming pool?? 😍


Sure! 🤩
I wonder what that giant mound of white stuff was, that he plopped down in the center grill?
Was that some sort of potato salad?

His videos are all in Turkish! I watched some, and kept wondering what was all that stuff? Whatever it was, it sure did look good!


Fox – Canadians claiming they have Intel that there was an engine fire on Ukraine plane. How in TH would they know??? Justin cozying up to Iran to hurt POTUS?? Demon pile on!!!



Apart from the human tragedy, just from a logistical perspective, it seems to me that, if Iran hit a passenger plane with a missile by mistake while trying to send a message of toughness to the U.S., that is a humiliating failure of monumental proportions.


That “humiliating failure of monumental proportions” goes right along with the stupid decision not to close your airspace to private and commercial aviation after having launched missiles at enemy bases, when expecting incoming hostile aircraft, and after having launched your own fighter aircraft. S-T-U-P-I-D !


Ya, Iranians ARE INCOMPETENT AND STUPID as Iran didn’t do what is commonly done in war zones.
FAA via NOTAMS Notice to Airmen commonly close air space to US commercial air carriers, US registered aircraft, etc. when imminent danger could effect the aircraft.
FAA did close Iraq, Iran, Gulf of Oman and other areas right after Iran started shooting yesterday.
Side note. Wondering IF, WHEN US may release launch data showing Iranian missile launch site and trajectory coinciding with impacting the Ukraine aircraft. Don’t know for a fact it exists. But would heavily bet it does. Satellites, AWACS were lurking… Not privy to capabilities, and if I was, could never divulge.
AND, those reports Iranians purposely missed American targets are BS. Looking at some of the satellite pics, AND knowing the warheads were 1,000 to 2000 variety, significant damage. Thankfully no lives. A few Iraqi injuries of which extent of injuries I have not read of. But, significant equipment and facility damage. Me thinks.


I believe some of you have already gone with this theory and so am I. It’s the likely theory that the plane was brought down at a time when the US should of been in Iranian airspace engaging targets. It assumes some one was trying to out think the US short order response to their missile attack that was to provoke the US to respond. Then when the smoke clears, this planes destruction could be blamed on the United States along with what ever other damage and destruction was caused. That destruction then would be compared to the Iranian missile attack showing that the Iranian’s hadn’t meant much by it contrasted by the total havoc caused by the U.S. and this plane being brought down would be the icing on the cake used to condemn the United States. With all the chaos it would be nearly impossible to isolate this planes destruction from all the other destruction and the narrative that the U.S shot down an unarmed passenger jet would easily carry the day in the media and would be used to condemn the President.
Because we did not take the bait, and did not violate their airspace the plane going down becomes something clearly not the fault of the U.S.
It does seem like their were multiple efforts by Iran and our media to goad us into conducting a counter strike in this short time span. Indeed we did have planes in the air and were responding, but we did not cross the Rubicon so to speak but because of the tight timing and likely their ability to only commit this one plane to what would be a faux media event they took the plane down under assumption that we would be in their airspace close enough to the time the plane went down making it our fault.
As a btw, this theory does not presuppose the actor. Likely Iranian but also possibly deep state, or Iranian with a deep state connection. It might even go as far as to explain Pelosi’s bizarre behavior, but of course that would be a leap without factual basis, one though I’d certainly not rule it out.
As a note. This tweet best demonstrates that the plane was indeed on fire well before the crash/explosion as at about the six to seven second time in the vid you can clearly see the plane trailing bits of fire that fall behind the plane. It would be nice if this guys words were interpreted but I can’t seem to find that.
Also following bflyjesusgrl’s post you will find multiple other evidence that this was likely a missile attack.
Another thing to consider is in a country that strongly controls citizen’s ability to use the internet, the double likely-hood of this vid being taken and it’s quick dissemination onto the internet. Maybe nothing but something to also consider.


Looks like moar great news coming to light. The whole U1 issue has been BS from the onset. 63 Canucks on that Ukraine aircraft certainly a WTF news flash.
Hope some smart sleuths are searching for related details.
Looks like a new day crept up…


I decided not to bump the pressure on my CPAP, based on how well I was doing over at the u tree.