Dear KMAG: 20201214 Open Topic

This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both: Keep Making America Great).

Yes, it’s Monday…again.

But it’s okay! We’ll get through it.

Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. But please keep it civil.
Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.

Our President is fighting for us night and day…please pray for him.


For your listening enjoyment, I offer this rendition of ‘Little Drummer Boy’ by the group, for King & Country:

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As we go through these crazy times…sometimes we need to give someone a helping hand:

Or give a buddy a hug when they need it:

Then, sometimes…

You run across something that defies description.

Something…

That is just…sooo wrong:

You have to run in the opposite direction.

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Wheatie’s Word of the Day:

Thersitical

‘Thersitical’ is an adjective which means…scurrilous; foulmouthed; grossly defamatory; caustic; obscenely and tactlessly abusive.

Used in a sentence:

Democrats often become thersitical when they don’t get their way.

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duchess01

LIVE Prayer for the President with Father Frank Pavone and the RSBN Team 12/14/20

kinthenorthwest

Damn and the elderly are supposed to be in the first group
FDA: DEATH, HEART ATTACKS, STROKE, BLOOD DISORDERS ALL POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF COVID VACCINE
“Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis,” A “Rare Inflammatory Condition That Affects The Brain And Spinal Cord,” Is Second On The FDA’s List. Third Is “Transverse Myelitis,” A Neurological Disorder Which Inflames The Spinal Cord, Causing “Pain, Muscle Weakness, Paralysis, Sensory Problems, Or Bladder And Bowel Dysfunction.”
Also Listed As A Possible Outcome Of A Potential Vaccine Is “Anaphylaxis,” The Severe Allergic Reaction Which Can Lead To Anaphylactic Shock.
A “Stroke,” And “Convulsions/Seizures” Are Further Possible Side-Effects, Along With “Acute Myocardial Infarction” Or Heart Attacks, Inflammation Of The Muscles Around The Heart, And Even Death.
The U.K. Government’s Warning For The Pfizer Vaccine Says It Should Not Be Used By Pregnant Or Breast-Feeding Mothers And Children. The Document Adds That It Is As Yet Unknown What Effect The Vaccine Will Have On Fertility.
https://dailynewsweek.com/fda-death-heart-attacks-stroke-blood-disorders-all-possible-side-effects-of-covid-vaccine-news/

scott467

Sounds like it would be less dangerous to throw yourself in front of a bus 😂🤣😂

Brave and Free

Sounds just like what they want to happen to the elderly. Sure would be easy to cover up heart attacks and and high blood pressure ect. Eugenics in action on the elderly, what a great cover. Covid “BAD FOR ELDERLY ” we need vaccines to protect them!!
*Look our vaccines are rezdy” lets kill off the elderly first, no one will know.

kinthenorthwest

Still believe the East Coast Mandate were on purpose.
Praying that one of my crazy thoughts is true. Praying that some or many of the people they say died is just on paper versus people actually dying.

Cuppa Covfefe

I’d rather throw Gates, et. al. and the deep state under a bus. A lot of buses. Very HEAVY buses…

(Or 200KVA buses, with a ground plane nearby… )….

Wolf Moon

The Document Adds That It Is As Yet Unknown What Effect The Vaccine Will Have On Fertility.

UK gov is desperate to avoid being blamed for the cabal’s dystopian forced sterilization plot! It was a UK whistleblower who caught GSK working on sterilization vaccines.

“We warned people.”

Yeah, not really, you snakes!!!

kinthenorthwest

Here is another article on FDA warnings. Damn
FDA: DEATH, HEART ATTACKS, STROKE, BLOOD DISORDERS ALL POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF COVID VACCINE
“Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis,” A “Rare Inflammatory Condition That Affects The Brain And Spinal Cord,” Is Second On The Fda’s List. Third Is “Transverse Myelitis,” A Neurological Disorder Which Inflames The Spinal Cord, Causing “Pain, Muscle Weakness, Paralysis, Sensory Problems, Or Bladder And Bowel Dysfunction.”
Also Listed As A Possible Outcome Of A Potential Vaccine Is “Anaphylaxis,” The Severe Allergic Reaction Which Can Lead To Anaphylactic Shock.
A “Stroke,” And “Convulsions/Seizures” Are Further Possible Side-Effects, Along With “Acute Myocardial Infarction” Or Heart Attacks, Inflammation Of The Muscles Around The Heart, And Even Death.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fda-death-heart-attacks-stroke-blood-disorders-all-possible-side-effects-of-covid-vaccine

Gingersmom2009

I can’t wrap my head around this vaccine thing. At all. POTUS keeps lauding it at every opportunity, and it’s a disaster of dire side effects. I always cringed when he kept referencing ventilators as one of his major accomplishments, so long after people realized that they were lethal. Does he REALLY not know what’s up with the vaccine?

SteveInCO

Yep.

That’s the cognitive dissonance I’m feeling right now. Most Qtreepers believe A and B, but then there’s also C.

A) Trump would never let us down. (A near article of faith.)

B) The vaccine is horrible.

C) Trump is touting the vaccine.

Bigtime contradiction here. There are, of course no REAL contradictions in reality; therefore one of A, B, or C must be wrong. And the one that’s most easily proved to be right is C.

Wolf Moon

I’m going with all three. Trump has taught us to think for ourselves again, and now we fight on our own and call our own shots.

The vaccine will, I am certain – IN FACT – kill far less of its primary targets – those being very elderly and fragile / comorbid – than the disease would kill.

For the people who SHOULD be scared of the virus, the vaccine is a godsend.

The vaccine is a GOOD THING for the elderly – we will get to visit them again and not worry much about them dying.

Should NOT be given to kids, healthy young adults, or those planning on or still having families, IMO.

Wolf Moon

The vaccine is both horrible and a godsend – as all vaccines always were – and which Adam Schiff and the “vaccine communists” would not allow us to believe.

AND LOGIC is coming back, and it’s beautiful!!!

michaelh

He’s putting Schifty into a tough spot. . .

Wolf Moon

YYYYYUPPPPP!!!!!

michaelh

I’ve said all this VAX business is HUGE disinfo. There’s something really big on the other side of the curtain.
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SteveInCO

I’m not quite sure of the model number, but I believe I might have worked on one of those.

(On checking Wikipedia, it was probably a successor model.)

SteveInCO

and now we fight on our own and call our own shots.

Given that we’re talking about a vaccine–pun not intended, I take it! 😀

Valerie Curren

I’m glad you shared that for I caught it too (also no pun intended since CV rampaged through our family recently). I wouldn’t take the time to comment to Wolf on it but I will reply to you!

scott467

“The vaccine will, I am certain – IN FACT – kill far less of its primary targets – those being very elderly and fragile / comorbid – than the disease would kill.

For the people who SHOULD be scared of the virus, the vaccine is a godsend.”

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The idea may be a Godsend, but how can the reality be?

They’re touting something like 95% effectiveness.

If I understood P-Rex’s recent article, no vaccine is ever more than 50% effective, and that’s after years of testing, not 9 months.

If the vaccine isn’t ‘real’ (it sounds like the vaccine is part of the overall fraud), then it won’t actually help anyone, it will just be a placebo for those who choose to be the guinea pigs.

And that’s only if the intentions of the vaccine makers are harmless.

And we know their intentions are NOT harmless.

We have no idea what’s in the vaccine, or how they magically came up with it so fast.

And unless they have a time machine, there have been zero long-term tests, no matter what they say.

And all of it for what? There are TREATMENTS for Chinavid-19 that have almost no side effects and are proven to work, and FAST.

So why would anyone take a chance on the Vaxxer’s Poison Du Jour?

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RF121

Because 20-30 somethings have been scared shitless over covid and I have no doubt will line up for hours to get the shot. It ain’t a vaccine just like the flu shot isn’t. So for many people essentially worthless but then with a 99% survival rate who is really going to know.

Once the vaccine is being more widely administered, they will lower the cycles on the PCR testing and magic. Covid gone.

kalbokalbs

Well, I am here to help out those 2-30 somethings. They can have my place in line for rhe vaccine. Not that I’ll get in that line.

SteveInCO

The 99 percent survival rate only means you’re 99 percent likely to live.

It may still injure you greatly, and permanently.

Would that make a vaccine seem at least somewhat more valuable than ONLY considering the odds of dying?

RF121

I trust my immune system and as I have continued to travel through out this cluster I’m pretty sure its good. But yes, if you are elderly and in the risk group. Why not. Assuming it means they will let you out or let people finally visit.

SteveInCO

So you’re figuring you have not just a 99 percent (or better, actually) chance of surviving, but also a very very high chance of it doing nothing at all to you.

I’m trying not to forget cases like Wolf, who survived, but was permanently damaged by this. I have personal friends who caught it and they haven’t been the same since, either.

I’ve seen the “99 percent survival rate” used as enough reason to not bother with any vaccine (even a good one, which this isn’t); but the chances of living through it are not the only consideration for many, many people. Some might say “1 percent chance of dying and 20 percent chance of permanent lung damage–yeah, I want a vaccine!!!”

(I don’t know that it’s 20% but from what I’ve personally seen, it’s a lot higher than 1%.)

cthulhu

Move over to the new day, I’ve found something about your calculator.

SteveInCO

Already there.

RF121

Viruses like this have swept through mankind since the beginning of time. Life goes on. Not stopping living over this one either. Yes, there are risks but the only solution is to improve your own health through diet and healthy living. I am not all the way there yet, but closer then most.

A strong immune system is the only solution. Drugs and vaccines are health cares answer to everything. Mainly because they do not know how to heal the body. Just to administer drugs to treat a symptom.

Wolf Moon

Wellllllll – you’re throwing out a lot of “iffy” assumptions, including several “Rex Specials” that I simply have to disagree with. The assumption that the actual existence of a novel corona is a fraud – sorry – tell all the people who sequenced the damn thing in patient cases around the world. Read the science – it’s OUT THERE. Question such basics at extreme risk of discreditation – AND I WILL HELP.

The 50% effective max number isn’t just WRONG – it’s tomfoolery. Take RABIES VACCINES, for ###’s sake. Their effectiveness is so close to 100%, rabies is basically GONE from vaccinated animals, and POST-INFECTION vaccination of humans is 100% effective, failing only in people who are dumb enough to wait for symptoms to appear.

E.g., http://wayback.archive-it.org/7993/20170722071728/https://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM312931.pdf

Flu vaccines are ineffective because they’re shooting flocks of birds with a rifle – not that the rifle isn’t effective. For the specific 3-4 birds in the flock, they’re highly effective – for a while – etc., etc. We know the truth.

Gotta do some science here. Rex pushes toward the literary – no – vaccines are real, they work, and yeah they have problems, just like drugs, same spectrum of good and bad.

I refuse to be “politically correct” pro-vax or anti-vax – both extremes are not worthy of intellectual support. It’s people’s right not to take drugs, and it’s people’s right not to be vaccinated, and the eugenicists who corralled us into herd-think on vaccines to push socialism can go to hell, as can those who want to deny the early and obviously beneficial history of vaccines when they actually made a big difference and saved lives on the deadliest diseases like smallpox, rabies, etc.

When Trump is through with America, the SMART MIDDLE wielding AND LOGIC is going to be back in charge! 😉

Valerie Curren

early and obviously beneficial history of vaccines when they actually made a big difference and saved lives on the deadliest diseases like smallpox, rabies, etc.”

Reading along late (as usual) & this strikes me as good. I wonder what/when a switch was flipped into territory for overloading kids w/ all kinds of vaccinations & the increase in autism & other vaccine injuries.

When did it become more about making money, controlling people, letting bad guys off the hook (immunity from prosecution), etc.

Comparing Amish unvaccinated to typical vaccinated populations reveals similar childhood illnesses but very high uptick in “autism” in vaccine populations.

Autism is a lifelong issue to wrestle with & can be incredibly debilitating & costly across society. Do we even know what vaccine injured people might be passing on genetically???

The stuff I’m reading about CV vax & sterility makes it sound like the sterility will be in the kids &/or grandkids of the vaccinated. That sounds like a very significant permanent problem…loosely makes me think of Star Trek episodes w/ aliens who’ve eliminated their ability to reproduce…

What is Really going on with all this stuff, besides the Great Reset? Is the 5G threat still a pending “mass extinction” event? What about the fatal connections between the flu shot & CV vax. I don’t trust what’s happening At All.

Could Trump be using Reverse Psychology? Like when he promoted HCQ, etc, in good faith & Everyone did everything possible to prevent its use. Could he now be promoting CV vax to get the anti-Trumped group to resist it? Lots of MAGA seems predisposed to Not trust the vax.

Is “Vaccine” a code word for other things going on related to taking out the Chi-com trash???

Wolf Moon

Trump gravity is mixing the division up and swirling it together, as needed!
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Valerie Curren

Love it…& the image too 🙂

holly

SMART MIDDLE wielding AND LOGIC…

Yes to that!

I gladly suffered through the painful series of post exposure rabies vaccines. Never had a flu vaccine, nor will I get the Covid one (willingly).

Valerie Curren

Yes!!! thank you for articulating that very well.

I remember seeing lab images on twitter that showed CV 19 vaccines in cold storage Summer 2019. There is way more deception going on here than even those of us paying close attention are really aware of!

Wolf Moon

More and more, I’m thinking that allegations of early vaccination makes sense. It SOLVES a problem.

The TIMELINE of the critical, absolutely BREAKTHROUGH, mutant spike protein research which allowed the problem of immune enhancement to be solved – the research that has been publicly presented (e.g., in C&EN) – just seemed far too “pat”, and the timing was beyond lucky. And I mean lucky at lottery-winning levels. The Joe Schmoe frontline researchers THEMSELVES note the extraordinary luck that they were working on the solution at the perfect time.

Well, based on my experiences at MKULTRA University, almost straight out of Lovecraft, BIG STUFF with far more advanced science goes on behind the scenes, and I’m thinking there was PRIOR SECRET RESEARCH going on.

If one simply assumes that the people who ORGANIZE THE SCIENCE (like Fauci and all those RATS) were “in on the scam”, then it all makes sense.

Early vaccines on COVID-19 would have been DESIRED, SOUGHT, and most of all were extremely POSSIBLE.

They would not have been highly OPENLY tested in humans, but surreptitious testing? EASY.

I now believe it’s entirely clear what was going on with this disease as a PLANNED PLOY to introduce socialism world-wide. It was supposed to happen under Hillary Clinton, but it was equally useful as a way to get rid of Trump.

It’s ALL making sense now. Even back to the AIDS research that needed to understand reverse transcription, so that things could be uploaded to DNA to lower human fertility.

Valerie Curren

There is a video clip someone else posted today, that was talking about the fraudulent patenting of the virus starting in 1999 & involved Fauci & a doctor/researcher out of UNC-Chapel Hill. Around 2013 the lawmakers started expressing concern about Gain of Function so they offshored the development of CV research including enhancing & mitigating the disease.

Because they’d patented it they were making Vast Wealth off of every aspect of it. That was the Wuhan lab that was funded, in large part, by the US/BHO/Fauci.

The name of the video was really basic Genomics or Logistics w/ another word…sorry I can’t remember now. I put it into a tweet & then copied the tweet below the video here, fyi.

Sorry if that’s rambling, I need to sleep so it’s getting hard to focus. That video was like 7 minutes & well worth your time!

Valerie Curren

Here’s that video from today’s page one, I believe. If you haven’t seen it yet take the time. This will probably be more meaningful for you, with the level of background & insights you have, than for lay people like me. Some of these revelations are stunning!

Valerie Curren

Here’s a link to my tweet w/ the video, for ease of sharing

kinthenorthwest

Do believe with this message he might be giving out a hint.

People working in the White House should receive the vaccine somewhat later in the program, unless specifically necessary,” Trump posted on Twitter. “I have asked that this adjustment be made.”

“I am not scheduled to take the vaccine, but look forward to doing so at the appropriate time,” he added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-white-house-staffers-shouldnt-be-among-first-to-get-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1bTRNV

Wolf Moon

This is me, too, and my wife. As somebody who had the disease, I trust my current immunity, and would NOT trust a vaccine that has not been tested on people who had the disease. Further, I am too young to fully trust an mRNA vaccine, because 20 years or so is enough time for cancer or other potential side effects of a genetic vaccine to show up and steal some years, when I could wait for Novavax and other protein vaccines without that long-term risk.

Note that I am normally very “vaccine tolerant”. No real problems, rarely get sick. Others should decide differently, based on their conditions.

I now have, however, both my prior comorbidities AND “COVID lungs”, so I will want to stay immune, however I choose to do it. I will likely get a protein vaccine tested and safe on recoverees, when that is available.

kinthenorthwest

Hey they all trying to already trying to say that Thalidomid is not in the same realm. as COVID vaccine . Do believe they don’t realm we talking about is the lack of testing.

scott467

“People working in the White House should receive the vaccine somewhat later in the program, unless specifically necessary,” Trump posted on Twitter.”

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If I was part of the WH staff, I’d be encouraging the boss to aim for waaaay later 😂🤣😂

bflyjesusgrl

Could some of this be disinfo by China, other competitors? Anti-vaxxers? At this point I’m thinking no one’s telling him or they’re minimizing the side effects. If he knew it was hurting people, he’d stop it.

Wolf Moon

Yes, agreed.

The risks of the vaccines are largely unknown – THAT is the problem. They have NOT been tested long-term.

Assuming that eugenicists and ChiCom agents of genocide can be kept out of the Pfizer production lines, then the risks will be clear within 5 years, IMO.

rayzorback

No WAY to any DNA changing “vaccines”…..
As in the days of Noah……

kinthenorthwest

stem cells in in means it is changing body somehow.

rayzorback

I’m talking about changing our “DNA”

kinthenorthwest

Not my area of expertise, and what I tried reading some seemed to go over my head.
Do believe you are right, but main fact I got is that it will change your body.

Emeraldstar

>> our “DNA” <<

From what I’ve gathered from 8kun, nature (our DNA, as it is) cannot be patented.

But a “vaccine” can be … and altered DNA can be as well.

The hitch is that we may, in fact, be OWNED by Big Pharma by taking an mRNA vax.

Scary stuff!

I suspect the military roll-out isn’t (just) for the vax, but instead is for enforcement / arrests.

duchess01

BINGO!!!

SteveInCO

We wouldn’t be owned as people.

But if, for instance it turned out something beneficial was in your DNA, you might not be able to get any benefit from it.

It’s sort of like not having the mineral rights to your property (the usual situation here). You still own the land, but someone else can drill for oil and not owe you a thing.

Wolf Moon

They’re not “supposed” to alter genetics – but cars aren’t “supposed” to crash, and old people aren’t “supposed” to fall down! 😀

Valerie Curren

Pretty sure that 2million Chi-com release had multiple chinee working for Pfizer!

Gingersmom2009

I can’t imagine he’s in the dark about any information on something this crucial.

scott467

“At this point I’m thinking no one’s telling him or they’re minimizing the side effects.”

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Unlike probably every president in my lifetime, Trump is accustomed to getting his own information from his own sources, in addition to the ‘official’ sources — which, considering the nature of the infiltration, even (and especially) the President’s Daily Briefing would have to be considered suspect.

So I think he knows the vaccines are BS or outright dangerous, and he has a Tweet history going back at least a decade showing that he is very much aware of the dangers of vaccines, the potential relation to autism and other issues, etc.

If so, that means he is doing it (promoting the vaccine) on purpose, even knowing the dangers, so the question is “why”?

It could just be an extension of the entire way he has played the China-virus construct, officially playing along with the Cabal WH Task Force (Fuaxi and Brix), but all the while, dropping clues and hints that he disagrees with Fauxi & Brix, almost never wearing a mask himself, bringing up multiple treatment options, letting it ‘slip’ that he was taking HCQ prophylactically, etc., etc.

He has been doing that for some good reason, and the best reason I’m aware of is Political Moonshine’s position, that Hussein added ‘pandemic preparedness’ to the presidential transition process, which created the ‘WH task force’ of Hussein embeds (Brix & Fauxi) in the ‘unlikely event’ that a global pandemic just happened to strike during DJT’s first term.

And one of the traps the Cabal set was that if Trump, who is not a doctor, contradicts two of the world’s foremost experts on virology (or so the MSM claims), that it would demonstrate DJT to be ‘incompetent’, opening the door for the Cabal to use the 25th Amendment to remove him.

Everyone may recall the time DJT insisted Fauxi come up to the podium and tell everyone that he (DJT) had accepted every recommendation of the WH Task Force, that everything the administration had done was according to Fauxi & Brix, he made them OWN every bit of it. Political Moonshine has described that as a pivotal moment that was not understood by most people at the time, but when the history of DJT’s first term is written, that’s going to be seen as one (of many) important moments.

So he plays along with the official Fauxi & Brix party line, but subtly (and sometimes NOT so subtly) also undermines it at every opportunity.

I suspect what he’s doing now is just an extension of that approach to the ‘construct’.

Political Moonshine also points out that DJT has a very predictable pattern of inviting his adversaries to live inside the creation of their own constructs, then block off all of the exits except one, and then force them toward their own destruction.

So I guess we’ll see 😁

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Valerie Curren

This is so good I copied it to Tuesday’s thread!!!

JW in Germany

Fantastic post, Scott!

Valerie moved it to yesterday’s thread. Top comment…excellent analysis.

bflyjesusgrl

These are ‘potential’, as in anything could happen. Many approved drugs have some of the same warnings. Have you read some of the inserts? Downright scary.
Article also says – Trials for the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, have in fact produced “severe” side-effects, with volunteers reporting headaches, fevers, migraines and symptoms akin to a hangover.  Headaches hurt, migraines are usually SEVERE, fevers and hangovers, not so much. Sounds exaggerated.
That said, I’m stil not taking the vaccine. I like preventative supplements. Then HCQ and therapeutics. I want some ‘Fountain of Youth’ just because. 😁

kinthenorthwest

I guess I am one of the lucky ones..I feel pretty sure I can get a medical release.
Said else where in more detail, the list of meds that I’m allergic to and have adverse affects to is probably as long as Santa’s list.
if there is like a 1% or less chance that ??? will happen, that’s me, or worse I almost immediately break out–Keep benadryl on hand at all times.

mot2grls

My dad is 90 so apparently is eligible to get the vaccine at some point. He is home bound and has home health care. His OT told me their group would be getting vaccinated by end of year but that my dad could still potentially get the virus from him. For my dad to be protected, he’d have to get the vaccine. I wonder, what is the point?

Katie

Eugenics. It’s their wet dream.

kinthenorthwest

Pro-vaccine people are even saying that you can still get the vaccine, but not as bad??? What the H3LL, with young people they already have a 99,999999% survival rate.
So why are they getting the vaccine.

slowcreekno

With that set of side effects, might as well have the covid-19 sickness itself instead then. Treated with ionophore (Hydrocloroquine, Quercetin, etc.) and Zinc and Vitamins and all of that, of course. Alhough covid-19 is no lightweight flu, this cure looks much worse than the disease, as nasty as it is. Also when considering the Russian Roulette -nature of it, that many lucky ones will have it with light or no symptoms at all.

Valerie Curren

Paul Mitchell reveals his true RINO nature & pulls a Justin Amash to go R to I. The “news” he cites have a leftie bent & it sounds like he was/is a Never Trumper at heart–pathetic, but not really surprising. Chi-Com connections to be unearthed???

Harry Lime

Wait…didn’t he used to make hair products?

Valerie Curren

Slick, or slip slidin’ away! 😉

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. but he died in 1989, pretty decent fellow (a friend of mine worked for him). Originally from Scotland, decided to move from the cold and wind to LA 😆

MAGA Mom

1 month after people voted him into office based on his campaign promises and standing as an R?!!

What is this really about?

Its about MI’s vote for Trump when each state has 1 vote based on its delegation

MAGA Mom

If he is doing this I will expect to see more do it when the election is challeged and it goes to the House. disgusting to see them ditch the GOP to let Biden and dems win.

No end to their trickery and deception.

MAGA Mom

Nope – I spoke to quickly. Dems hold the majority already in MI thanks to Amash. Amash was elected again (although I suspect fraud).
Right now in MI, their House delegation is as follows:

GOP – 5
Jack Begman
Bill Huizenga
John Moolenaar
Fred Upton
Tim Walberg

Dem – 7
Dan Kildee
Elissa Slotkin
Andy Levin
Haley Stevens
Debbie Dingell
Rashida Tlaib
Brenda Lawrence

Independent – 1
Paul Mitchell

Libertarian – 1
Justin Amash

Still thoroughly disgusted that Mitchell changed parties 1 month after the election. How many are going to be very upset that they voted for him?

MAGA Mom

Update … again!
Paul Mitchell is irrelevant other than fake news/leftist news headlines as he is retiring!
Yes, he is Congresman right now but not for long
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McClain

MAGA Mom

From my understanding if thrown to the House in Jan, it will be with New congress which means MI is tied in representation for their one vote. Wonder how it works when a state is tied?

SteveInCO

I would imagine that is No Vote.

Unless someone bolts to the other candidate. Which some people claim wouldn’t be legal, but I doubt it.

Given the number of RINOs in the house, I don’t trust them to vote along party lines enough to make it a sure thing for Trump.

SteveInCO

And OBTW to win the presidency if it goes to the house, 26 states are needed. And two thirds of the states must have at least one member of the delegation there, for the vote to happen at all.

MAGA Mom

If that is the case, could the dems no show to thrawt the vote? sounds like it. I haven’t looked up these details yet

GOP has enough states with majority GOP representatives to win but never know …

rayzorback

26 states to win?
or just a “Majority”?
Some may “abstain”?
or less than 50 but still 2/3rds show?

SteveInCO

As I understand it, it’s an absolute majority of states.

So even if only (say) 40 have reps present, the winner needs 26.

rayzorback

I’m not sure, but I think it is a majority of those present. 2/3rd states required to have a quorum.

SteveInCO

Pretty sure I read sometime in the last month it was an absolute majority of states.

I can’t remember WHERE I read it though, so I’m not going to positively say “you’re wrong!”

rayzorback

I finally found this……

In 1865, only two of the three Nevada electors cast their electoral votes. In the joint
session, only two Nevada votes were counted and included in the “whole number of electoral votes.”

There were similar instances of votes “not given” by electors that were not included in
the “whole number” of electors reported—thus reducing the so-called denominator and the
“majority” needed to elect—in 1809, 1813, and 1817.

But I am still not sure 🙂
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

SteveInCO

While relevant to the whole process, I thought we were talking about the contingent election, where the HoR chooses the president because no candidate got to 270. In that case, I was thinking, he must win 26 state delegations’ votes.

rayzorback

I guess I was thinking:
Yes 26 to win…. IF….. ALL states were present and voted. (yet to be seen).

Either way, I’ll leave it to someone smarter than I….. you for instance?

SteveInCO

Well, for the first part of the process, they just need to count up to 270 votes. If that goes “smoothly” as of today Biden wins.

If (as many of us suspect the plan is), Trump manages to challenge enough of the votes and Biden doesn’t make it to 270, THEN the contingent election rules come into play.

Please read this:

SteveInCO

…although that thread does not say there’s a 26 state minimum to elect the president in a contingent election. So again I find myself trying to remember where I read that.

Someone posted yesterday a claim that the states vote like this to disqualify EC votes, too, which means it could happen. (If not, the House will never pass such a thing on a member-by-member vote.)

MAGA Mom

OK … here is the current MI roster … sorry I keep posting before finishing all of my research! And it is a tie for represenation which is what I immediately thought of when I saw Mitchell had switched.

When is the New Congress sworn in? New or Old congress voting 1 vote per state for Trump or Biden if thrown to the House?

GOP – 7 US Representatives
District 1/Bergman
District 2/Huizenga
District 3/Meijer – a seat GOP flipped from a dem seat
Distict 4/Moolenar
District 5/Upton
District 7/Walberg
District 10/McClain

Dem – 7 US Representatives
Distict 5/Kildee
District 8/Slotkin (Dem won by 3% … fraud could have swung that race)
District 9/Levin
District 11/Stevens (Dem won by less than 3% … fraud could have sung that race)
District 12/Dingell
Distict 13/Tlaib
Distict 14/Lawrence

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/house/

Valerie Curren

I bet you’re right. but if they correct the votes down ballot in MI & remove All the fraud then maybe some reps will flip from D to R nationally & John James will be the Actual senator elect!

MAGA Mom

Yes, I think there are 2 House seats + Senate Seat + POTUS race that were decively impacted via fraud. Other totals may change but none seem close enough that trueing the vote would change the result.

Valerie Curren

You have more info there than I do, but if All of those happened Mitchell’s traitor move would have the impact diminished!

MAGA Mom

I usually to all of my clicking around before I post. this thread shows how the sausage is made as I clicked, read and thought.

I knew that I remembed MI was split so when 1 ditched the GOP I thought it would change the MI vote from being a split to a Dem majority. But no, he is already retiring.

Hope we don’t see any in this incoming congress ditch the GOP and changing which party has the majority for the a state’s 1 vote if it goes to the House.

Valerie Curren

It wouldn’t surprise me to hear that there are multiple people waiting to pull just such a move if needed to keep the coupsters in a form of unconstitutional power & tyranny–sick!

phoenixrising
Emeraldstar

Hi Phoenix!

I just started posting again, and I asked Wheatie whether you are still around. Glad the answer is “yes” …

Strange times we’re living in – and it feels like the Hammer is just about ready to fall.

I hope you’re doing well!

phoenixrising

A little serendipity there Emeraldstar… I was thinking of you when we moved house, hoping you would stop by… even better you are posting again! Hurrah…

I’m glad to be living in these times… even tho’ it feels like a rollercoaster ride… and yes, am so ready as we all are for the hammer!

MAGA Mom

good point
I have lost so much faith in both the leaders and the rank/file of both the FBI and the DOJ

phoenixrising

Me too Mom…

MAGA Mom

sad to loose faith in leaders but they can be politically appointed.
tragic to have lost faith in the majority of the rank ‘n file

duchess01

BardsFM Livestream, 20201214 – Bacon Caramel Popcorn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhvyQdANirY

Valerie Curren

200,000 more AZ votes “found” for Trump!

https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1338638110406574085

Wolf Moon

I WANT TO SEE DEMOCRATS IN CHAINS FOR WHAT THEY DID

rayzorback

Chains…. or ROPE….. whatever

Katie

It’s not just demoncrats. The Uniparty has been working on this for 4+ years.

Wolf Moon

AMEN!!!

duchess01

Ok – I will put in a call to SC Durham ASAP!!!

Valerie Curren

& swinging from ropes! after duly being tried, convicted, & given a chance to make their peace with God before they get to meet Him face to face for Final & Ultimate judgement!!!

Wolf Moon

At this point, I would settle for PARKING TICKETS!!! 😉

Valerie Curren

Or Capone’s tax consequences!

Valerie Curren

Another view of the Michigan capitol locking out GOP electors, the GOP is the majority party in both houses of MI legislature. Well at least they didn’t drag people out to never be seen again, a la Sadam, so we’ve got that going for us–grrr

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1338575131476680705

Wolf Moon

INSURRECTION

Valerie Curren

Absolutely! Bring on the Act & the Pain for those Players!!!

Valerie Curren

Fasting & prayer recommended…

Wolf Moon

AMEN!!!

Hoofhearted

And My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, Then will I hear from heaven, will forgive their sin,and will heal their land. 2Chron.7:14

duchess01

Second time tonight I have heard a reference to Esther – Interesting!!!

Valerie Curren

Hayman’s end, being hung from his own gallows, seems especially apropos right now for a lot of the deep state actors!

Wolf Moon

Holy Moly – this post is at 1144 comments at 10 PM Eastern! ACTIVE!!!

SteveInCO

Indeed!!!!

Cuppa Covfefe

The post(es) with the mostess!

Emeraldstar

ACTIVE!!!”

Gotta be me, yes? Haha…

Thanks for welcoming me back, Wolf!

(And thanks to Steve, too!)

Wolf Moon

Good to see you! And happy to see that the new site gave you the EXACT same avatar as before! Familiar is GOOD!  😺 

Emeraldstar

the EXACT same avatar”

Yah – I noticed that, too.

WP must not have an auto-purge for dormant posters, so I lucked out. Also, I never did get rid of that old g-mail account I used to post with, which I’m sure was instrumental.

gil00

Boy youve been absent awhile…. i guess we are expanding on the new site.

Emeraldstar

Yes, it’s been about a year and a half.

I didn’t even know about this new site, but it was easy enough to find … once I looked!

I hope you and Mr. Gil are well.

gil00

Oh fairly well considering. Ty for asking. Hope youre here to stay.
Weve not been here 3 weeks yet but Wolf has done a fantastic job with it. I think youll like his set up, but youre more tech oriented than me.
Some people are gone, many more lurkers spoke up and hoping that the good word gets out.

Linda

Lots of s&*(&(t hitting the fan today!

Wolf Moon

Yes indeed!

rayzorback

Wonder what the “Likes” number is?

Wolf Moon

1221 comments and 25 likes!

rayzorback

would be interesting to know how many online at any given time….. you know, how many “lurkers”? 🙂

Wolf Moon

I’m sure I could expose that data later. Many “board” software packages post that data continuously. WordPress themes tend not to, as far as I know, and I don’t think wpDiscuz does, but I would bet that the wpForo forum plugin does.

come to timmy

found on Gab:
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duchess01

JEFFREY A. ROSEN – ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL – MELIGNED FOREIGN INTERFERENCE EXPLAINED! december 14, 2020 the marshall report

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com

With the resignation of A.G. Barr, the new acting Attorney General will be Jeffrey A. Rosen. Rosen has a solid background in the Founding Fathers and their interpretation of Foreign Interference. Imagine the timing of such a changing of the guard…nothing is by chance.

Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey A. Rosen’s Remarks on Malign Foreign Influence in U.S. Elections

Gail Combs

Rosen’s Remarks do not leave me with the warm fuzzies.

He completely glossed over China BUYING the Clinton presidency and inferred there was NO DIRECT foreign influence in our elections just dis-information via the internet. This DESPITE the LONG KNOWN problem with the Dominion machines.

While he did NOT highlight Johnny Chung, John Huang, and Charlie Trie funneling Chinese $$$ to the Clinton Campaign in return for sell China US military technology including “….machine tools, defense electronics, and even a communications system for the Chinese Air Force.”

Bernard Schwartz and Michael Armstrong, the CEOs of Loral and Hughes, each donated over one million dollars to Clinton’s re-election campaign. These companies had an interest in seeing China develop reliable missiles to loft their satellites into orbit. Clinton arranged direct talks between Bernard Schwartz and a Chinese general to improve China’s rocket technology. Michael Armstrong was made head of the Export Advisory Council. Both companies were allowed to upgrade the launching and guidance of China’s missiles.

Clinton even involved the Department of Energy, caretaker of our nuclear weapons, in his fundraising schemes. In 1994 and ’95 then Energy Secretary Hazel O’Leary accompanied Johnny Chung, John Huang, Charlie Trie, and Bernard Schwartz on trade missions to China. Shortly afterward the DOE relaxed security at US weapons labs. Wen Ho Lee, an ethnic Chinese physicist assigned to Los Alamos, illegally transferred data on nuclear warheads to his private computer files.

In June of 1995, the CIA learned that China had stolen the crown jewels of our nuclear arsenal, including the neutron bomb and the W-88 miniaturized warhead

https://web.archive.org/web/20170701031648/http://www.artistmarket.com/writers/piraino/clintonchina.htm

This solid evidence was not mentioned but the ‘Russian interference’ on the internet was.

The alleged interference contained two internet components. The big one was hacking…. [We now know that was Seth Rich]

The second and smaller component of the alleged Russian interference was purported IRA (a St. Petersburg troll farm) activity on social media. It mostly consisted of a purchase of $100k of Facebook ads. Sounds like chump change for Russian intelligence. Worse, about half these ads ran after the elections. Almost all the other ads ran more than four months before the elections and not in the battleground states. But the biggest mistake that Ivan made was paying for the ads in rubles!

Can any sane person believe that this was part of a Russian intelligence operation? The congressional Democrats believe it. The MSM believes it. All this is nonsense, but Democrats use this nonsense to pressure Google, Facebook, and Twitter to deplatform conservatives, and analysis of “Russian social media activity” became a cottage industry. 

Many people who don’t believe in any Trump/Russia collusion still believe in the Russian interference from which Trump benefitted. Because this position is only half-true, it is hard to defend.….

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/02/russian_interference_didnt_happen.html

So either this guy is denser that lead, a Deep State Player or playing a part in POTUS’s Chess Game.

duchess01

He lost me early on, Gail – gave him the benefit of the doubt – not impressed, either.

bflyjesusgrl

Pergram LONG Thread on the Who, How, What, When Procedures for the Electors, House, Senate, and VP. Get your questions answered here.

SteveInCO

This is GOOD.

Linda

Posting this tweet so we have a link to the insert.

MAGA Mom

Reading the package inserts on all of the vaccines is what got through to my med school trained husband on vaccines in general.
No vaccines for us, period.
Maybe more people will wake up to the dangerous and negative health impacts of all vaccines through this experience. Learn to read the info for ourselves … trust but verify

mot2grls

I apologize if this video has already been posted. I do believe this should go viral. It is so comprehensive. Anyone still not believing that election fraud didn’t occur or that it wasn’t widespread or didn’t occur enough to effect the outcome, needs to see this.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/2020-election-investigation-who-is-stealing-america_3617562.html

Linda

SteveInCO

And then BOTH chambers must agree to trash the vote from the state that they are objecting to.

The house will never agree to trash votes for Biden.

The ENTIRE process is described here:

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Linda
para59r

When did Flynn serve and in what capacity with the 82nd? I always thought he looked familiar from G2 staff, but could never find anything on him about being with the 82nd.

Sadie Slays

Even our advertisements are filled with propaganda. This is the commercial that prompted me to write this. “This is what the holidays are all about,” even though no crosses or religious symbols are to be seen anywhere in the video. Go about five seconds in. While black families are milling around, a snowman is beheaded. IMO, this is their subtle way of depicting a white man being beheaded. As long as they dress it up in a cartoonish way, they have plausible deniability. I’m not sure what beheading anything, even a cartoon “snowman,” has to do with selling peanuts.

https://twitter.com/MrPeanut/status/1336693447189794819

Another subtle dig at Christians. You think they’d dare call any other non-Christian religious observance “nuts”? 

A subtle dig at Republicans? 

cthulhu

If you don’t have a visceral knowledge that “holiday” comes from “holy day”, none of it is going to make any sense to you.

churchmouse

BART?!

Bring back MR PEANUT!

phoenixrising

Cari pinned this to the top of her twitter account…

It’s 10 mins of dynamite explanation of POTUS’ EO

of 2018… will make you smile listening to her speak

bookmark for later… I’m going to repost on new daily

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https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1337559476468113413?s=20

GA/FL

Forensic auditors find 68% error in one county’s votes!

kinthenorthwest

Just wondering how many others are thinking this.
Trump let the states sort of do their thing as to COVID,guns, abortion, and some other issues.
Why do I have a feeling that if Biden is sworn, we will end up with Federal dictation of all types of issues, vaccine, masks, lock down, wages,Illegals guns and who wants to add to the list. Do believe that Biden’s people will not care what is in the constitution. H3LL in fact they already talking about stacking the Supreme Court.

trackback

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come to timmy

This morning I made a vow to not give attention to this for at least a day or two. Kept saying it after each new nugget of evidence news hit the screen here or at Gab. Came a time later in the day when it was clear that had been a flimsy-strength vow indeed. I guess it was hearing of the Barr departure. The announcement’s timing surely was no coincidence. Then I realized: these next three weeks are gonna be WILD. All the leaks from laptops and classified documents that will be coming out. And then the info-disinfo verification. All the evidence that will keep surfacing and snipping at the ears of MSM outlets. Someday someone will have no choice but to report something, throwing panicked energy into how to avoid admitting they knew it all along. Might as well stay tuned.

cthulhu

In best Boromir voice: “one does not simply get off a roller-coaster in the middle of a ride.”

kinthenorthwest

Even when the seat beat is very loose and the bar won’t stay down.
Hey that actually happened to me on Colosus at Magic Mountain for the whole ride.

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TheseTruths

Were you 😱?

kinthenorthwest

Oh yea…and that was the roller coaster. in the picture..
My daughter and I were holding the bar down for all it was worth LOL Hey I can laugh now but I lost it when we got off.

TheseTruths

An experience you’ll always share! I was never fond of roller coasters.

kinthenorthwest

Grandkids were always suckering me into riding with them or the group.
.
Back then I was not so sure i liked being the grandma who would fall for their smiles .at times. but now I can laugh about some of them.
I did refuse the one at California land

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cthulhu

Heh. I used to live in that area before I went away to college. Locals call the park “Happy Hump.” I almost had a job there in costumes, which — looking back — I’m really glad something else came through before my first day, ’cause it was like working in a toxic waste dump.

kinthenorthwest

:LOL by the time my grand kids were about 10 or 11 we were there about once a year . if I remember right it was cheaper than Disneyland.
Survived LA area-near El Segundo for 20 years.

come to timmy

Ha!
Truer words…

TheseTruths

This roller coaster ride is of great historical significance, so as all-encompassing as it is, I have to participate.

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come to timmy

Dare I say? Trump is supposedly the defeated incumbent, but it is he who has them off-balance. Making them choose between deception and the truth. Living in their heads. Triggering emotions with every word and movement. Making them get pissy on air. They know he knows there’s about 80 million of us who just don’t care to cooperate.

Wolf Moon

This one doesn’t get used often!
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phoenixrising

appears to me it may be used more often in the coming days… 😉

Wolf Moon

I’d better get the new levels ready now.

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