Dear KAG: 20201215 Open Thread

Are we there yet?

No, really, are we there where the BOOM BOOM BOOM is supposed to be?

Well, let’s see. Is there anything going on other than alternate Electoral College electors voting for President Trump in the state houses today?

Or rumors of Julian Assange being pardoned that turned out to be premature at best?

Or some company named SolarWinds-Orion which is used by just about all the Fortune 500 companies and a good portion of the U.S. Government being nothing more than a literal back door into computer systems?

How about the forensic audit of Dominion Voting System in Michigan publishing a conclusion that the system was set up to rig any and all elections in the states and countries using it?

Or the announcement from the White House that Attorney General Bill Barr will be resigning his position by Christmas?

Uh-huh.

Well in the midst of the fog of war, some really disturbing news has come out about the touted vaccine for the WuHan flu. From kinthenorthwest:

FDA: DEATH, HEART ATTACKS, STROKE, BLOOD DISORDERS ALL POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF COVID VACCINE
“Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis,” A “Rare Inflammatory Condition That Affects The Brain And Spinal Cord,” Is Second On The FDA’s List. Third Is “Transverse Myelitis,” A Neurological Disorder Which Inflames The Spinal Cord, Causing “Pain, Muscle Weakness, Paralysis, Sensory Problems, Or Bladder And Bowel Dysfunction.”
Also Listed As A Possible Outcome Of A Potential Vaccine Is “Anaphylaxis,” The Severe Allergic Reaction Which Can Lead To Anaphylactic Shock.
A “Stroke,” And “Convulsions/Seizures” Are Further Possible Side-Effects, Along With “Acute Myocardial Infarction” Or Heart Attacks, Inflammation Of The Muscles Around The Heart, And Even Death.
The U.K. Government’s Warning For The Pfizer Vaccine Says It Should Not Be Used By Pregnant Or Breast-Feeding Mothers And Children. The Document Adds That It Is As Yet Unknown What Effect The Vaccine Will Have On Fertility.
https://dailynewsweek.com/fda-death-heart-attacks-stroke-blood-disorders-all-possible-side-effects-of-covid-vaccine-news/

For more information on the specifics of not just this vaccine(s), but most of the schedule, this interview yours truly has been putting up for a couple days is worth the ninety minutes:

The video in this tweet is a ninety minute interview with a molecular biologist named Pamela Ackers who wrote a book for the Kolbe Institute regarding vaccines, their efficacy, and the aborted fetal tissue used to develop them.

Adding it to the information from Dr. Judy Mikovitz who Miss Ackers mentions, the now late Brandy Vaughan, and other whistleblowers, the information presented is simply devastating for the vaccine industry if taken seriously.

Yes, tissue from children killed during gestation was AND STILL IS being used to develop vaccines. Miss Ackers names the lines used for specific vaccines, what institutes they came from and even in one case the tissue type.

Vaccines, in general, are only effective only a handful of years, and apparently are less effective in older adults (the elderly).

She talks about vaccine injury and vaccine court and how there is no real way to know how many people have been injured by them. In that section, she also explains that autism coming from the MMR shot which is given at the same time as the vaccines for four other diseases is not available separated.

Also discussed is Gardisil and the sterilization effects it has, research that says people who get the childhood diseases of chicken pox, measles, mumps, etc., are less likely to get cancer, and a lot more.

And then she talks about COVID and the tests are a joke and she explains how, the Moderna vaccine is their very first product sent to market, she tells of the fetal tissue cell line used to develop one of them and all that. In short, she makes the case for not taking the vaccines…for EVERYONE refusing.

Yes, this is a video done by Catholics in regards to a Catholic entity, the Kolbe Institute, but there isn’t much in the way of Dogma here that differs in morality from the general pro-life position on killing children in the womb.

Please, at some point, take the hour and a half. The back and forth is very much in layman’s terms.

So…what do we think…ARE WE THERE YET?

And a reminder to take the pledge:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

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Ahem.

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ZEPHANIAH 3:1-2, 9-13

1Woe to her that is rebellious and defiled, the oppressing city! 2She listens to no voice, she accepts no correction. She does not trust in the LORD, she does not draw near to her God. 9“Yea, at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord. 10From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, the daughter of my dispersed ones, shall bring my offering. 11“On that day you shall not be put to shame because of the deeds by which you have rebelled against me; for then I will remove from your midst your proudly exultant ones, and you shall no longer be haughty in my holy mountain. 12For I will leave in the midst of you a people humble and lowly. They shall seek refuge in the name of the LORD, 13those who are left in Israel; they shall do no wrong and utter no lies, nor shall there be found in their mouth a deceitful tongue. For they shall pasture and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.”

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome. Via con Dios.

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duchess01

Biden doesn’t have a Senate seat to give up – LOL

Hoofhearted

He must’ve bought into that “re-imagining” thing that the climate people were selling.

Gingersmom2009

Nah, he’s just trying to appear even more infirm.

phoenixrising

He doesn’t know what day it is!

duchess01

A ruse – IMHO – PR – why – all of a sudden can he speak with some clarity?

Concerned Virginian

Behold the man who thinks he’s the next President of the United States.
Can’t even remember that his last “job” was VICE PRESIDENT.

kalbokalbs

Who knew Dementia Joe has multiple personalities living in his decaying brain.

trumpismine
Wolf Moon

I love this guy! He GETS IT!!!

para59r

He gets out a little bit too far than POTUS may want him too (cause POTUS has to deal with the jerks) but yes he does get it.

pgroup2

The Naked Communist, published 1957. Get it; read it; and realize how little has been done to prevent our takeover.

mollypitcher5
Wolf Moon

This seems significant.

michaelh

UH YEAH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet

The Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) is “a system of interconnected computer networks used by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State to transmit classified information (up to and including information classified SECRET) by packet switching over the ‘completely secure’ environment”. It also provides services such as hypertext document access and electronic mail. As such, SIPRNet is the DoD’s classified version of the civilian Internet.

SIPRNet is the SECRET component of the Defense Information Systems Network.[1] Other components handle communications with other security needs, such as the NIPRNet, which is used for nonsecure communications, and the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS), which is used for Top Secret communications.

Wolf Moon

GULP!!!

Grandmaintexas

I read one reply that said it sounds like bad actors, possibly on the inside, were setting up a FF to blame Russia.

Wolf Moon

There is a lot of VERY weird stuff going on with the Russian side of this.

All I know is that CHINA and DEMOCRATS (who were turned by SOVIETS and CHICOMS) committed a MORTAL SIN with this fake election.

NO LIMITS to what needs to be done to right this. NONE. I’m THROUGH with the DNC and the CCP.

I wanted to beat Xi to death with my future oxygen tank after I barely recovered from COVID hypoxia. That is NOT a fun experience. Now, I’m not so hot angry, but I will fly whatever Enola Gay is needed to right this stuff.

They tried to steal the White House. I take the oath to fix this. PERIOD.

michaelh
kalbokalbs

Just saw these. Have these been here awhile?

Yea. B-29s pretty cool stuff.

michaelh

Great minds 😉

Not too long! It was all I could do to pull away from reading the article about recovering airframes from China Lake. So much interest in these old birds.

bflyjesusgrl

The few MSM that are discussing are already blaming Russia w/o any proof, of course. At today’s presser, Fox’s Kristen Fisher blamed Russia and asked Kayleigh what would POTUS do to retaliate. SSDD🙄

pgroup2

Not surprising for Kristen; both her parents are space cadets.

TheseTruths

I hope they can tie something like this to international fraud in the election to further justify military solutions.

para59r

Yes, hopefully they’ve got what they need before they flush China out of the system.

Linda
mollypitcher5

The stats and people swearing that covid killed their loved ones is now as unreliable as the election results.

Gingersmom2009

And who exactly believes this is something they’ve decided to do going FORWARD? Hello, MAGAMom? They’ve been doing it all along.

Last edited 9 months ago by Gingersmom2009
mollypitcher5

Most of us knew that for sure but the ones we tried to tell were never quite able to grasp that, always returning to the CV numbers for “proof” and spinning the deadly covid wheel.
All to blame trump and give the boost to socialism or or we skipping straight to communism?

Concerned Virginian

Skipping straight to Communism.

MAGA Mom

The death #s I reported were total mortality, regarded of how listed, that showed excess deaths and memes claiming we didn’t have excess deaths to be wrong.

last week I pointed out PIC deaths and total deaths. I also linked to PIC deaths. this is not new information

Covid deaths and flu deaths are Also being tracked seperately.

MAGA Mom

the combining has been done on 1 chart and on that same chart it also breaks the deaths down to flu and Covid 19. All other flu reporting systems remain the same. Covid 19 is being tracked via the flu surveillance so, yes, some graphs include Covid 19 as they are tasked with tracking this. However, flu is still being tracked seperately as always.

–>>This page lists total deaths per week since the 2013-2014 flu year
–>>It also lists influenza on its own/influenza only deaths/influenza outside of Covid19
Flu and Pneumonia are often listed and tracked together because many pneumonia deaths are actually flu related deaths – pneumonia developing as a complication of the flu.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

Again, influenza Is Still being tracked seperately, without Covid 19 added.
See the usual flu tacking map here, same as every year:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

Yet another example that, Yes, Flu is being tracked on its own the Same as Always. So far, 230K+ tests and about 500 positive. Notice the graphs and the tracking of specific strains of influenza … just like always
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

The same departments are supposed to be tracking covid 19 and combining some graphs for reporting and communications purposes is hardly newsworthy. Many more issues with what they are doing but this really isn’t one of them.

Gingersmom2009

My point was that they have been playing fast and loose using covid as the cause of death for months. $$$ I’ve seen too many videos from the relatives, the docs, and even the funeral directors. None of this was specifically flu/pneumonia.

The weakened version of COVID that we have now is not sufficient to drive the stats. So now it’s PIC. Did you READ RFK’s tweet – they’re calling it all covid. I’m done going back and forth with this. I think what I think.

Last edited 9 months ago by Gingersmom2009
MAGA Mom

agreed. No doubt we have deaths listed incorrectly. We also have deaths listed as *because* of wuflu v. *with* wuflu.

However, I have never posted to the contrary.

I merely posted that
a) we do have excess deaths
b) many are from wuflu as wuflu is killing more people than the flu and than would usually die this year
c) cdc is listing and tacking flu

When we get past the fake news, such as no excess deaths, we can focus on the real questions such as where did it come from and why, who is responsible for not protecting the vulnerable, for locking down the healthy, for supressing a cheap and effective treatment, etc.

Too many important questions to be distracted by fake news such as no excess deaths, fake news survival rates of 99.9%, etc.

Wuflu is dangerous and is being used by the left and is made more dangerous by the left’s policies.

Interesting to me that even the CDC admits that wuflu and wuflu complications are only responsible for 2/3 of the excess deaths. What? We have 1/3 of excess deaths from something else? What is the cause of the other 1/3?

We have to ask the right questions …

Gingersmom2009

As I said, I’m done with the back and forth. But your whole focus has been the NUMBER of deaths attributed to covid — and the point is the numbers are deliberately inflated. Done, once again. Please don’t take offense when I don’t respond.

Last edited 9 months ago by Gingersmom2009
mollypitcher5

It’s inconceivable to me to trust any stat, any number, any claim of an entity (cabal/globalists) that have proved that their goal is to enslave us. WHY in that area only would it be factual? Logic says that it wouldn’t, truth is not in their playbook

para59r

Not to mention they purposefully spread this stuff around.

MAGA Mom

The number is important because:
–>> to deny excess deaths is fake news
–>> to deny excess deaths creates a distraction for factual analysis that will have us asking the questions they don’t want to answer such as Why were the vulnerable not proected? Why else is killing Americans if the CDC says only 2/3 of the excess deaths are covid or covid related complications? How do they explain the other 1/3 of the excess deaths?
–>> to deny excess deaths denies the murderous nature of wuflu and therefore relieves China of the blood on their hands.

Brave and Free

The fact is the MSM claims them all as COVID, no matter where they fall in the stats or charts or graph or where you want them to go. The sheep see only COVID deaths. That’s by design.

Aubergine

WE DON’T HAVE EXCESS DEATHS. DISPROVEN.

MAGA Mom

Link to article with stats disproving excess deaths?

If we deny excess deaths then we are not holding China accountable for excess deaths.

If we deny excess deaths then we are not asking the CDC who/what is responsible for the 1/3 of the excess deaths they say are not from wuflu or wuflu related complications.

SteveInCO

She posted something either yesterday or the day before.

MAGA Mom

Anyone know how does one search for one person’s comments to save time over going back page after page?

SteveInCO

https://www.theqtree.com/2020/12/12/2020%c2%b712%c2%b712-kmag-daily-thread/comment-page-3/#comments

It’s on page 3. Then search for Aubergine.

She had posted that link once prior to that, a few days before, and as you will see when you go there was rather snarky about how you never responded to her.

I took a damn beating for sticking up for you that day, on page 2, because you dropped a bunch of bombs and then left for a couple of days.

No more.

(PS: for some reason you can’t link to a specific page of comments or even to a specific comment any more, until someone replies to it, then their comment will have a link to yours.)

Last edited 9 months ago by SteveInCO
MAGA Mom

Thank you. Unfortunately, I didn’t see this post as I just searched every page of every thread for the last several days until I found it. But I did because I am only interested in facts and if excess deaths have been “disproven” I would want to know.

Conversations on facts are not personal and I am surprised each and every time people get upset with me when I post facts that don’t match what they believe or want to believe. Shocked when I read comments stating that, well, dispite the facts, they will believe what they want and what they feel to be true.

No, excess deaths have not been “disproven”.

From the link posted to “disprove” excess deaths:
(https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states)

“Note: Numbers on this page do not include deaths due to COVID-19. Our estimates are based on deaths reported before the pandemic started. Check our coronavirus section for information about daily and total deaths caused by the virus.”

The link is Not a count of actually deaths. The link takes previous year’s deaths and projects expected deaths for this year. Your link literally states that the numbers are not real, actual deaths but are projected/expected deaths. This is not a list of facts but of expected deaths based on pevious years.

SMH … Facts matter.

If this is a trusted, here is there Covid 19 data which only addresses wuflu deaths and not excess deaths.

https://www.indexmundi.com/coronavirus/

It is not fear porn to correct informatiod presented or to present correct info in the first place.

Facts are the basis of correct analysis

MAGA Mom

Steve,
I don’t always go back to read old pages. I will do so more often in the future. I don’t get notifications as I have not signed up for an account. I was not purposefully ignoring anyone. Just didn’t happen to go old pages and search for my posts to answer comments on my posts.

Any idea why some people take counter opinions so personally?

If I posted something in good faith, someone else said, No, that isn’t right and then shared a link, I wouldn’t get mad or upset. I would simply click on the link to learn more and then be glad to have learned more or search further to confirm the other peron was correct.

Why are disproving excess deaths so important to some? I don’t get it

SteveInCO

Unfortunately, dropping a post like that then not sticking around for the responses or at least checking back the same day gives a lot of people excuse to accuse you of cowardice or just being a dump-and-run troll.

As for people wedded to certain preconceptions, I run into the same phenomenon in, shall we say, very different surroundings (like atheist forums). I got into a discussion on “gun violence” with someone who simply could (would) not see my point that he was comparing apples to oranges. Even very leftist others on that forum were starting to say he was being deliberately blind. He was a moderator on that site and ultimately threatened me; either concede or…

He was gone within hours as I simply reported him one level up. The man had had a honey badger tenacity with arguments (the sort where you imagine spittle coming out of the computer screen) and boy I was happy he was gone.

Aubergine

I already gave you the damned links, you shill.

I know what you are, as do most here.

I can’t be any more clear. F*ck off.

MAGA Mom

I patiently explained why your links clearly do not disprove that we do have excess deaths.

what I am? You turned this into an argument when all it is pure data. Why cling to the “no excess deaths” talking point? weird.

So many other issue to address .. smh

Why be emotional and curse? sad to see someone emotionally attached to fake news.

Aubergine

YOU ARE SPREADING FAKE NEWS.

MAGA Mom

Your links prove I am correct and that you are spreading fake news.

Calm down and go read your own links.

MAGA Mom

Every Single week of 2020 has shown excess deaths since the end of Feb, 2020.

1) First set of #s:
WeeK 1: 60,018 v. 58,299 v. 64,647
Week 2: 60,553 v. 58,362 v. 67,495
Week 3: 59,192 v. 58,220 v. 64,647
Week 4: 58,993 v. 57, 908 v. 62,780
Week 5: 58,658 v. 58,152 v. 60,974
Week 6: 59,223 v. 58,523 v. 61,110
Week 7: 58,657 v. 58,000 v. 59,779
Week 8: 58,704 v. 58,005 v. 57,793
2020 total for weeks 1-8: 473,998

(First deaths of WuFlu begin with a few and quickly climb as week 9 is end of Feb)

Week 9:  59,125 v. 58,546 v. 56,692
Week 10: 59,492 v. 58,546 v. 57,093
Week 11: 58,471 v. 57,917 v. 56,326
Week 12: 59,027 v. 57,096 v. 55,766
Week 13: 62,789 v. 56,675 v. 54,918
Week 14: 72,079 v. 56,598 v. 55,294
Week 15: 78,836 v. 55,492 v. 55,228
Week 16: 76,559 v. 54,4468 v. 54,038
Week 17: 73,658 v. 53,656 v. 53,727
Week 18: 69,093 v. 53,987 v. 53,741

(Week 18 ends May 2, 2020, same as the “study” claims to end their #s)

Weeks 9-18 totals (the time period when the Wuflu deaths began in the US and the end date of the article’s claims)
2020: 669,129
2019: 562,959
2018: 552,823

2) Second set of #s:
2020/2019 deaths for specific weeks. Roughly late June – 3rd week of November as the rest of the #s are incomplete/still being compiled. The #s for the last week of Nov and first 2 weeks of Dec are not yet complete/still being compiled/unavailable. There is always a 3-4 week lag in the reporting of these #s.

2020 first, 2019 second
wk 26: 58,247   52,209
wk 27: 59,556   52,344
wk 28: 61,589   51,931
wk 29: 62,785   51,649
wk 30: 63,883   51,662
wk 31: 63,873   51,410
wk 32: 63,236   51,747
wk 33: 63,075   51,023
wk 34: 61,862   51,022
wk 35: 60,168   51,162
wk 36: 58,706   51,836     
wk 37: 57,432   51,633
wk 38: 57,104   51,757
wk 39: 57,936   52,757
wk 40: 56,814   52,564
wk 41: 58,233   53,090
wk 42: 56,628   54,338
wk 43: 57,608   54,049
wk 44: 57,483   54,087
wk 45: 58,384   55,699
wk 46: 59,815  55,886
wk 47: 56,091  56,199

all of the above #s are easily available at this link:
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

Maybe in the next several days I will complete the year’s data by adding in weeks 18-26.

Point: We have had excess deaths EVERY weeks. This is in the data of total deaths and easily comparable to previous year’s data.

There are Many things on which to question the narrative. The fact that we have had excess deaths is not one of them.

Question Why we have had excess deaths, for example.

No excess deaths is fake news.

Aubergine

YOUR DATA IS FAKE.

MAGA Mom

You link is 100% fake and you are not clicking, reading the site that you linked or dealing with the issues.

My data comes straight from the CDC and is accurate and I have provided links.

What about my data is “fake” and why do you cling to this issue? It is odd to see someone so emotionally attached to fake news.

Address your link that you are using and its flaws – ie it is not actual 2020 data and the site itself says that!

Aubergine

“My data comes straight from the CDC and is accurate and I have provided links. ”

And there’s your problem. Shill.

MAGA Mom

You have no data to back up your claim there are no excess deaths.

All deaths at the CDC are counts are tracable back to the states.

The debate isn’t whether their are excess deaths or not (to those dealing in facts) but is Why are there excess deaths + who and what are responsible for the excess deaths.

Think, use facts, use logic and ask the right questions … and let go of the fake news that their are no excess deaths as you literally have Nothing to back up your claim.

Aubergine

CDC again.

SHILL.

MAGA Mom

Silly, immature response to name call when your sourcs and therefore your conclusions are proven wrong.

I realize that you are embarassed but man up, admit it and move on to important questions.

Excess deaths isn’t a one of them

Aubergine

STILL NO ANSWER.

ARE YOU CHINESE?

There are NO EXCESS DEATHS.

You are a SHILL.

Aubergine

Also, your style of speaking and argument labels you for exactly what you are.

LEFTIST.

MAGA Mom

My style of speaking? Leftist?

you are just getting rediculous now.

So you refuse to review your own links?

MAGA Mom

If you are referening your links from several days ago see the reply posted again here for your convenience.

From your link:
https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states

“Note: Numbers on this page do not include deaths due to COVID-19. Our estimates are based on deaths reported before the pandemic started. Check our coronavirus section for information about daily and total deaths caused by the virus.”

–>Your link is Not a count of actually deaths. Your link takes previous year’s deaths and projects expected deaths for this year.

–>Your link literally states that the numbers are not real, actual deaths but are projected/expected deaths.

–>This is not a list of facts but of expected deaths based on pevious years.

SMH … Facts matter and that is now what these posts are.

If this is a source you trust, here is there Covid 19 data which only addresses wuflu deaths and not excess deaths.

https://www.indexmundi.com/coronavirus/

It is not fear porn to correct information. I often wonder about why people get so upset when 1 set of facts is corrected. Yes, we have excess deaths. So why is that so earthshaking for anyone? Can we not move past that and onto asking what else is killing Americans, how to hold China responsible, etc.? How is focusing on fake news of no excess deaths helpful v. focusing on the many real issues?

Aubergine

YOU ARE A SHILL.

MAGA Mom

A shill?  😂 

because I disagree with you, point out your “facts” are fake and have facts to back up what I am saying?

Try harder, dig deeper, deal in facts, calm down, be best

Aubergine

Shill, shill, shill.

Are you based in China?

MAGA Mom

You are caught cold using a “source” that is Not what you claimed it was while I list actual data w/link to check it for yourself.

When caught you blame me, curse and call me names. Pathetic response.

Truth has no agenda and sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Why is it so important to you that we have no excess deaths, so important that you refuse to face that your source is did not prove me wrong or “debunk” me?

Why are 10,000 other issues that are true not worthy of your focus?

Aubergine

SHILL.

SHILL.

SHILL.

You didn’t answer.

Are you Chinese?

MAGA Mom

“you didn’t answer”

Remember, I don’t get notifications and I hadn’t refreshed so hadn’t seen this questions. Careful in your assuptions.

To answer:

You mean you weren’t just calling names but think I am an actual shill and perhaps Chinese v. American? Of course not! That is hilarious and so silly. Or is it just a pathetic demonstration of a propensity to jump to conclusions, let your immagination run wild and finding it easier to fantasize than deal in facts?

Why would a chinese shill point out that lessening the impact of wuflu is letting china off the hook? SMH … use logic!

FACTS: Your source to “debunk” my stats was Literally not a source of 2020 deaths.

Why are you so attached to this idea of no excess deaths?

Aubergine

You are good at it, but you are a shill.

I am attached to the truth, not Chinese lies.

MAGA Mom

If you are “attached to the truth” then why are you just yelling (all caps), name calling and refusing to read your own links that do not disprove me much less prove there are no excess deaths?

Aubergine

SHILL. SHILL. SHILL.

Still no answer.

And you are behaving EXACTLY like all the other infiltrators on all the comment threads at conservative website.

I’ve got your number.

Aubergine

SHILL. SHILL. SHILL.

This is my last response to you. If you post fake information, I will continue to dispute it.

Still no answer. Chinese?

And you are behaving EXACTLY like all the other infiltrators on all the comment threads at conservative website.

I’ve got your number.

Aubergine

Better question:

Why are you do determined to convince people here that there are excess deaths due to covid?

My data is correct. It comes from sources both prior to and post covid. But not from Fauxi’s CDC.

SHILL.

MAGA Mom

Reread your own links – it Literally says that the 2020 deaths are Not actual deaths but are projected deaths based on info from previous years. To prove no excess deaths with “death” data that is projected v. real/recorded deaths is Literally not proving real/recorded death totals “wrong” .
Read your own links!

Calling me names every post? Weak. Be best. Can’t you keep the conversation fact based v. silly middle school name calling?

Aubergine

I proved you wrong. And you just CAN’T STAND IT.

MAGA Mom

You didn’t prove me wrong. Read your source. It is literally not actual deaths of 2020 but is projectd 2020 deaths. SMH

Do you have any other sources for 2020 death totals?

MAGA Mom

where did you prove me wrong? Read your own links!! They don’s say what you think they say.

kalbokalbs

EVERYTHING about Covid death counts is 100% FRAUD.

Has been from the start and is today.

Personally I will NOT consider whatever dumb ass Covid death number anyone presents.

Covid deaths are simply UNKNOWABLE given the BS way of determining a Covid death…and how it has changed over the past ten months…toss in corrupt medical weenies snatching Covid $$$ by linking a death to Covid.

Determining Covid death numbers is as ACCURATE as determining TRU Covid positive tests.

ALL OF THIS IS A FOOLS ERRAND. Not YOU Maga Mom. Any effort to determine Covid deaths, TRUE Covid positive tests… Totally goofy at best.

mollypitcher5

Not a glitch, it’s a feature. Confusion, distortion, fear, lying about treatments…it’s all part of the theater.

SUCH AS……………….

he LA teachers union – has a few demands before they will even consider heading back to the classroom.

“No matter the scenario in August, it’s clear that it will not be a ‘normal’ school year. But when ‘normal’ means deep race and class fissures that result in increased infection and death rates in Black, Brown, and high-poverty communities; when ‘normal’ means increasing police budgets even as schools, libraries, and public health face catastrophic cuts; when ‘normal’ means corporations receiving trillions in bailout funds as federal commitments to support special education and high-poverty students remain unfulfilled; when ‘normal’ means working families lining up for miles for food banks while US billionaires increased their wealth by over $584 billion — it is clear that going back to normal is not an option. This crisis presents an opportunity to create a new normal that supports all students,” the union said in their demand.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/07/14/la-teachers-union-refuses-to-return-to-in-person-classes-until-their-progressive-n2572420

kalbokalbs

With Covid, it’s never been about the truth.

Feer. STeal the election. NWO – Global Reset.

Linda

Here is Kennedy’s whole post if I can get it to show:

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MAGA Mom

flu is distinguished from Covid 19 even on the PIC graphic that is updated weekly

mollypitcher5

This works too, lol

scott467

Well… isn’t that special … 😂🤣😂

Chris

LMAO
Shared
Thanks !

pgroup2

This is how hospitals will increase their profits since covid admissions pay a YUGE bonus.

duchess01
Hoofhearted

We’ll cross that bridge when it collapses …. lol

Wolf Moon

I’m ready to go “Mythbusters” on it and MAKE IT WORK!!!  🤔 

duchess01

DO IT!!!

duchess01

Ep. 2354a – Trump Pushes On With Deregulating, [CB] Pushes For Darkness
X22 Report Published  December 15, 2020

https://rumble.com/vbx69b-ep.-2354b-the-case-is-being-built-crime-of-the-century-the-eagle-has-landed.html

duchess01

Ep. 2354b – The Case Is Being Built, Crime Of The Century, The Eagle Has Landed
X22 Report Published  December 15, 2020 

https://rumble.com/vbx6uz-ep.-2354b-the-case-is-being-built-crime-of-the-century-the-eagle-has-landed.html

Elizabeth Carter

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋@NeonRevolt 5h·
Aaaaaand there it is.
#ChinaMitch

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pgroup2

This is pathetic. Turtle’s wife is from Republic of China (Taiwan). Playing on people’s lack of specific knowledge by simply saying “China” (knowing that most people will take a quick look and read “commie China”) is disgusting.

Linda

Fox News will probably cave, but hopefully the other 2 won’t.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1338964153931849730?s=20

Wolf Moon

This is a great way to get a lot of Ron’s stuff into legal proceedings.

Wolf Moon

OANN and NewsMax need to stand tough and file counter-charges. Smartmatic will go down.

trumpismine

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trumpismine

rayzorback

Red 1

Wolf Moon

It’s ON. We will have several gun-cleaning nights before then.

scott467

Wolf, is there a way to turn on the Tweets so we can see them?

All I see is links, but I don’t know if it’s that way on purpose, or if it’s just my screwy browser settings.

jamcooker

The tweets show for me. win7, desktop, brave.

Wolf Moon

I know that to see tweets, your browser and your privacy software need to “allow embedded tweets” and also allow almost every single bit of software that has “twitter” in its name or its URL.

I don’t know if Firefox has a tweet setting, but I know that Ghostery blocks a lot of Twitter stuff. You would likely have to suspend your privacy software, or at least allow all objects from Twitter, to see tweets fully.

scott467

I went to the Ghostery pop-up box and selected ‘Disable Ghostery for this Site’, and refreshed the screen, and all the Tweets show up now.

Thank you! 👍

Wolf Moon

Awesome! There we go!

I knew my very early experiences with Ghostery would be useful someday!!! 😀

kalbokalbs

Guessing TW will ban President Trump January 21, 2025.

WE have another four years.

duchess01
scott467

“Does anybody know why McConnell would do something like that?”

__________

Ummm… okay, I’ll bite.

What is “Because he’s a bad guy, and he’s always been a bad guy?”

michaelh

It’s all about the Benjamins

Brave and Free

Will the Turtle be the first arrest????

duchess01

You get the BIG PRIZE, Scott!!! KUDOS!!!

duchess01
RF121

Well, at least it was not “password”.

Wolf Moon

LOL!!!

duchess01
Wolf Moon

Hey OANN and NewsMax! I think you might want to countersue for every last bit of Dominion and Smartmatic!

duchess01

Bring it on!!! Cannot wait!!!

duchess01
Wolf Moon

This just shows right here that the guy is a bald-faced LIAR.

duchess01

Who knew? We did!!!

duchess01
Wolf Moon

So they wanted there to be no scrutiny.

Anybody who supports this election is a TRAITOR.

Concerned Virginian

Which apparently may include Mitch McConnell.

scott467

😂🤣😂

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Brave and Free

Big surprise right…… So how many of the judges he gleefully pushed through are compromised by him/China? This will be biblical when it happens, and I still believe it will. There’s not going to be anything left but aches.

scott467

Yep, it never made any sense that Cocaine Mitch was helping DJT get judges confirmed, while opposing DJT in every other possible way imaginable.

And if the judges are dirty, then so is the ‘conservative’ group that was recommending all the judges.

Aubergine

There are only two parties now, Patriot and traitor.

I am done. Friend, family member, whoever, I don’t give a shit.

If you are on the wrong side of this one, you are dead to me.

America is 331 million people. Our rights are being destroyed.

Wolf Moon

I have to agree. Those who side with China are the enemy to me now.

My advice to everybody – don’t be a collaborator. Not any more.

I stood up to the bastards for years, stuck in a nest of them, learning how to fight them – how to SEE the way they operate.

We are now experiencing the greatest Wheat-Chaff sorter ever – a clearly FRAUDULENT ELECTION.

Man up. Woman up. Now is a time for COURAGE.
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Brave and Free

Yup if y’all don’t think we’re in a war you’re badly mistaken.

duchess01

Amen goes right there, Wolf!!!

trumpismine
mollypitcher5
singingsoul1

This is how it begins and soon after we get rid of the National Anthem and only play the other because its the right thing to do. All that for unity and racial sensitivity (S).

mollypitcher5

Yup, yup..that’s the playbook. White culture, white pride, white history (whether it’s good or bad ) is being eradicated.

Teagan

Soon they will want to replace Christmas with Kawanza, the other phony black scam.

TheseTruths

I would not stand and would walk out while it was playing if possible. They could call me whatever names they want. We have only one national anthem and, IMO, standing for some other “anthem” dishonors it.

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Aubergine

Maybe we could kneel  😃 

para59r

Kneeling is their thing. Turning our backs would be fine after totally disrupting the session, which would be my first choice.

TheseTruths

I like it! The firestorm would be glorious.  😄 

scott467

Wow, that was horrible, those chicks should never sing again!

Glad that’s not OUR national anthem!

Linda
Gingersmom2009

^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^

MAGA Mom

Here is the link that was improperly posted on previous page.
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2020-10/nov20-handbook-addendum.pdf

I have tried to stop thinking about this but ever since 3:30 this afternoon when I saw the first reference on social media and checked for myself I could not stop thinking about it. LIke a gut punch Every time I think about it.

Keep think about the statement, something to the effect of “they will not be able to walk the streets”

mollypitcher5

It certainly doesn’t rise to class action suit but it’s evil to have forced every man, woman and child ( and yes even 2 yr olds per the family that’s banned for life from flights on United because the toddler wouldn’t keep it on) to wear masks eliminating our human design to develop natural immunity to anything out there. People are destroying that by being forced to comply.

Wolf Moon

AMEN! Note that part of the “natural immunity cycle” is the ingestion of dead and weakened viruses by children playing in dirt and with each other. We are limiting natural immunity – a BAD idea. Science is not so far ahead that we can substitute rationally or anywhere near completely for natural exposures.

mollypitcher5

Right and one more small crab about it…people who claim to be devoted religious of any persuasion should remember that belief that humans are made in God’s image , unique in design, and that’s an important part of the design.

Cleanliness and common sense regarding being around sick people is also part of the God given intellect by this time in history.

TheseTruths

Many of them make themselves gods, instead.

Wolf Moon

Common sense not being allowed by Dems or their media. Interesting how they got rid of common sense using media-driven “expert culture”.

kalbokalbs

It’s easy to cancel common sense.

Nanzi’s “SMEAR” works every time when folks never ask critical probing questions.

scott467

When you OWN the media, every bit of psychological warfare is easy.

You literally don’t even have to try. You can sit at home and just think up stupid crap, and decide whatever you like, and then turn it on like a million fire hydrants at once.

And for some reason, that works on at least half the population.

Reliably.

Wolf Moon

Just because they SAY it’s true does not MAKE it true.

Life is not so dear as to put up with the lies any more. JUSTICE needs its day.

REAL justice.

para59r

Street Justice, since apparently all other forms no longer work.

singingsoul1

Amen

trumpismine
scott467

If I did Tweeter, I would definitely be mocking that ‘warning’ with every Tweet.

If I know Tweeter is going to put “This claim about election fraud is disputed” under my text, then I’m going to put something like this at the end of my Tweets, so it shows up like this:

.

“Jack Dorsey and Twitter would never engage in or support election fraud!”

This claim about election fraud is disputed

😁

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pgroup2

There’s a very good reason why you are in my favorites folder – you are so good you should be illegal.

trumpismine

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Wolf Moon

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phoenixrising

MAGA Mom

This was happened back in early Oct. Not breaking news now.

However, why didn’t more people read about it in early Oct? Censorship and supression and fake news fake “fact checkers”
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/07/twitter-warns-users-trying-to-retweet-federalist-article-on-declassified-russiagate-documents/

phoenixrising

No, Sean Davis’ article in Oct revealed Brennan’s notes WITH redactions…
Bobo from Texas is tweeting that Ratcliffe DECLASSIFIED and RELEASED the notes Tuesday, today. The notes have not been tweeted out as yet, at least I haven’t seen them. THAT is the breaking news.

MAGA Mom

The link in the tweet goes to the article from Oct 6.
Read the full tweet and see the article being tweeted.

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phoenixrising

Right… Bobo made a BooBoo… no breaking news

phoenixrising

right… I think DNI Director was Dan Coats… ol’ codger never released the docs… so he prob left some redaction on them. The Federalist is saying Ratcliffe released them TODAY…

MAGA Mom

This story was Highly suppressed prior to the election. Now it can be tweeted and not receive fact checking labels. yet another example of active intereference by social media and fake fact checkers into the 2020 election

michaelh

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Linda

It’s finally back up here. But not long ago I saw that California and a lot of the east coast is still down.

Grandmaintexas
bakocarl

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gil00

So he has a reason to be removed. Now…batter up the real new interim AG, Richard Donoghue

jamcooker

He looks like the one doesn’t he?

para59r

If we need a second reason, found this in the responses.

Replying to @paulsperry_
Jeff Rosen a Kirkland & Ellis Partner the same Kirkland & Ellis that represents Dominion

gil00

Geez….biggest circle jerk ever.

scott467

“BREAKING: Interim AG Jeff Rosen–the ex-COO of DOJ–has been fingered as the reason Durham probe has been on a slow boil. A Bushie,Rosen supported Rubio’s 2016 run over Trump(Rubio was first to hire Simpson/FusionGPS). ”

______________

If that is true…

A) we know, for sure, that DJT knows this about Jeff Rosen.

B) we know, for sure, that anyone who supports Rubio is either a traitor (like Rubio) or suffers from severely diminished mental capacity / early onset TDS

C) therefore, by arranging for Rosen to be in this position at this specific moment in time, DJT wanted to make sure that the DoJ does nothing to stop the Cabal from completing their crime, after which, DJT is going to declassify and expose everything

That means we have a green light for the military solution 👍

michaelh

Waiting till the movie gets to the weird part
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kalbokalbs

Catching up.

What was the result of the Piglosi meeting today 4PM EST? The so called Covid relief package? The one that excludes everyday Americans?

para59r

Your likely more caught up than me at this point, but my understanding is that in part Senator Dear Leader has now set is chair up on the left side of the fence.

duchess01
kinthenorthwest

I shared a similar picture with the words “Let Freedom Ring”!
A friend turned me onto the song “Let Freedom Ring” by .The Gaither Vocal Band A really an awesome song especially at this time. ..

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‘Let Freedom Ring’ – The Gaither Vocal Band.Let freedom ring wherever minds know what it means to be in chains
Let freedom ring wherever hearts know pain
Let freedom echo through the lonely streets where prisons have no key
We can be free and we can sing — let freedom ring
God built freedom into every fiber of creation
And He meant for us to all be free and whole
When my Lord bought freedom with the blood of His redemption
His cross stamped pardon on my very soul

michaelh

The Gospel Coalition: If You Don’t Take the Vaccine you Can’t Effectively Share the Gospel
https://protestia.com/2020/12/14/the-gospel-coalition-if-you-dont-take-the-vaccine-you-cant-effectively-share-the-gospel/
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new article by The Gospel Coalition (TGC) has taken a precipitous step closer towards the eventual and inevitable narrative that taking the COVID-19 vaccine is a “gospel issue” by arguing that Christians can’t effectively witness or share the gospel if they don’t take it, due to the negative impact it will have on their witness.

TGC writer Pastor Paul Carter sets up the story by writing off the notion of the vaccine as being in some way the mark of the beast, says that Christian should consult their family doctor about whether or not they should take it, and then writes:

“More obviously related to the question of whether or not to get the vaccine would be the many biblical injunctions to love our neighbor as ourselves. The Apostle Paul said, “Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law” (Romans 13:10 ESV).

What about loving one’s neighbor?

As Christians, we should strive not to be known as the people whose refusal to take a vaccine (should our family doctors recommend that we do so) delayed our progress as a society against this virus. If our family doctor advises us to take the vaccine there is no compelling biblical reason for us not to and a great number of obvious biblical principles suggesting that we should…

The Scriptures to which we are bound to commend an awareness of what is respected and valued by our friends and neighbors. The Apostle Paul in Romans 12 said: ‘take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.’ (Romans 12:17 NRSV)

So if our neighbors value the efficacy and importance of the vaccine, our refusal to show it equal deference and inject it into our bodies right away shows a lack of love on our part, which they will remember next time it comes time to witness.

. . . MORE . . .

singingsoul1

People can even twist Scripture verses into a pretzel,

Linda

Are they also going to argue that taking the Mark of the Beast is a gospel issue?

scott467

This guy is a fraud.

He’s not even a wolf in sheep’s clothing, he’s a wolf in wolf’s clothing. 😂🤣😂

kalbokalbs

Livid over this one.

We ALL, perhaps most of us, certainly many KNOW HCQ should have ALWAYS been available as a preventive.

Queue the asshoes in CDC, FDA, AMA, D-Rats, TDS maniacs…getting HCQ largely banned as a preventive and treatment for Covid.

Just saw this on TGP.

American Medical Association Votes on Hydroxychloroquine Prevention Order, Keeps it in Place — How Many People Have Died Because of These Soulless Hacks?

Previously, the AMA had issued a statement in March that was highly critical of HCQ in regards to its use as a proposed treatment by some physicians in the early stages of COVID-19. In addition to discouraging doctors from ordering the medication in bulk for “off-label” use – HCQ is typically used to treat diseases such as malaria – they also claimed that there was no proof that it was effective in treating COVID, and that its use could be harmful in some instances.

However, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed its stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potentially harmful side effects.

*https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/american-medical-association-rescinds-hydroxychloroquine-prevention-order-many-people-died-hacks-wanted-hurt-trump/

Imagine the millions of Americans that have caught Covid which would NOT have caught Covid IF the had HCQ as a preventive?

Perhaps tens of thousands of Americans would NOT have died from Covid.

All the unnecessary lockdowns where Governors and mayors claimed Covid out of control.

bakocarl

Worth repeating . . .

Dr. Zev Zelenko@zev_dr
·
Families of victims from Covid-19 mass murder-PLEASE organize and seek justice and wage legal war against these genocidal animals. No Mercy. This was intentional mass murder and genocide of the elderly and vulnerable.

Linda
Linda
Wolf Moon

Absolutely agreed. And that explains the “vaccines”. They created a “problem” that leads to their solution. Of a different problem.

US.

kalbokalbs

Uh, seriously, that IS how the government works, VERY intentionally.

Create a problem. Create a solution, that by design ALWAYS FALLS SHORT.

^^^ Rinse. Repeat.

Linda

gil00

Robert Patrick Lewis (@RobertPLewis) Tweeted: Patriots: if you haven’t already, begin prep for OP WOLVERINES

Wolf Moon

Yeah, I’m hearing elsewhere that things get interesting 12/18-12-24.

kalbokalbs

Inquiring minds are wondering… 🙂

ODNI reports out Friday, 18 December.

Barr punches out the 23rd. I think.

gil00

I hope we have enough prep…but its never enough.

scott467

“Patriots: if you haven’t already, begin prep for OP WOLVERINES”

____________

I trust the OP WOLVERINES implicitly, just like I ‘trust the plan’.

The fact that I don’t know what either of them is… is a minor point…

😂🤣😂

Grandmaintexas

If true. Just UGH.

scott467

Because what else would he do?

If there are any white hats in the Senate, or anyone who isn’t compromised, who would it be?

gil00

Kyle Becker (@kylenabecker) Tweeted: SCOTUS.⚖️ The Supreme Court has rejected an attempt by Kansas GOP to require voters to present a passport, birth certificate, or other proof of citizenship. Americans are *NOT ALLOWED* to have sovereignty over their own laws or elections? This is infuriating and dangerous. https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1339047885904687107?s=20

mollypitcher5

In other words…any person who may or may not look of voting age can now vote?

At this rate DemComs won’t need to pack the court. Seems that the ones seated will serve up progressive rulings every time.

gil00

Cannot count on courts. Either scared or compromised.

Wolf Moon

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Grandmaintexas

Pardon my dark mood tonight. The stuff of nightmares.

mollypitcher5

Anymore it’s best not to look away. Bad people create bad things

para59r

Since Tonya Harding whacked Nancy Kerrigan in the knee they have been quite successful in getting most everyone to look away.

SteveInCO

Jupiter and Saturn in the southwestern sky shortly after sunset. They were maybe 30 degrees above the horizon.
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gil00

Thats not too hard to see! Will they appear much closer or brighter next week?

SteveInCO

They will appear MUCH, MUCH closer.

gil00

Ohh neat. What am i seeing super bright southeast at night?

SteveInCO

What time? Are we talking about stars (or things that look like stars)?

Directly east is Orion. A bright star “below” and a bit to the right Orion when it is in the east would be Sirius the brightest star in the night sky.

gil00

Prob sirus. Its around 830 to 11pm. Super yuge and brightm

SteveInCO

It should look like it’s to the left of Orion, and down a bit from the bottom two stars in Orion (in the northern hemisphere that is, in case Ozzy is reading), when Orion is high in the sky.

Not many dot-like things brighter than Sirius, and they’re all planets (Jupiter, Venus, sometimes Mars).

SteveInCO

Not sure Sirius is up by 830 yet. Will check tonight.

SteveInCO

I just verified, Sirius rose at about 8PM here yesterday (the 16th).

gil00

Oh. Then its sirius. Thanks for checking.

SteveInCO

If they can be seen when the sky is this bright, they will be pretty obvious even when the stars are out.

kalbokalbs

Will post in Wednesday’s daily.

Change of pace folks.

IMO, this stuff is FASCINATING.
 
B-29s.  Last two flying B-29s are highlighted in this video. ~Seven minute video. 
 

  • One of the Original Rosey Riveters helped restore one or both. She said of one of the B-29s, ALL but seven of the original rivets were intact. 

 

  • For a few decades these two B-29s were sitting on a China Lake bombing range. Apparently never targeted. Thankfully. 

 
A guy on a gun blog clued me into the B-29, Doc he helped rescue from China Lake bombing range. Back in 1990. He and a group of as he put it, two hundred volunteers towed Doc from the bombing range, across the desert to Inyokern Podunk airport. 38 miles. 

Linda

Way cool! One of my grandmothers was a Rosy the Riveter, but she worked in the shipyards, not on planes.

kalbokalbs

NICE. Maybe she built some of the Liberty ships.

SteveInCO

I’m guessing DePat has been detained.

SteveInCO

Yowza, I’m up to wolverine!