Dear KMAG: 20250818 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.

Hey – we actually got him out! *salutes Wheatie*


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

pantochronometer

noun

  • combined sundial and compass

Used in a sentence

pantochronometer is a Horizontal Magnetic Dial, i.e. a floating sundial on a compass card. The rotating card automatically aligns itself along a north-south axis.

Shown in a picture

Shown in a video


MUSIC!

Another Sydney Sweeney AI parody for your inspection!


THE STUFF

Finnish genetics – evidence of more cross-pole traffic, headed the other way from the ancestors of the American Indians!

Complicated business.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



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cthulhu
scott467

I knew it.

He’s gone to the south pole to prove the earth is round again, to all the doubters who remain after the last trip.

Or he’s building his own rocket, so he can launch into space, and use his phone to video the round earth out of his window.

Could be a case of and logic… could be launching from the south pole 👍😁

cthulhu

I’m guessing that it may have something to do with the Ark of the Covenant.

And, of course, he has that great line: “Snakes. Why did it have to be snakes? I told them that I much prefer lizards.”

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Valerie Curren

Priceless!!! RIP Darwin

cthulhu

Hmmm…..Steve on a cruise…..maybe as some sort of expert…..

cthulhu

Of course, we know the Love Boat doctor had his other side….

[Random trivia — Don Adams was on an episode of The Love Boat. He and Bernie Kopell never appeared together.]

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scott467

Wow, he really fumbled that ball… he should just quit after that 😂

cthulhu

Let’s see, a combination of things from Wolf…..

Met a hot lady atheist herpetologist on a cruise, and then….

….which naturally leads into “Needs time to sort things out”.

I guess he could have his boss trying to get him on a Zoom conference while the ship is upside-down in order to check-off all five.

cthulhu

*shrug*

First thing that came to mind with “cruise ship” and “life currently turned upside-down”.

pgroup2

He could be litterbox training a dragon lizard.

para59r

Even before Jr high science have I ever met a flat earther. Are we sure they’re even real?

cthulhu

Real or not, they’re certainly vociferous.

scott467

The Internet is a BIG place 😂

GA/FL

When I look at the entire length and breadth of Steve’s Science Series – I wonder if he’s through – has said all he wants and needs to say. He’s certainly laid out many treasure. I just hope and pray that Steve is blessed, healthy and happy as all get out!

Thank you, Wolf Moon, for attracting such fabulous authors and giving them a platform to present their riches to us.

There is no place like the QTree for life giving, life saving, freedom of speech and encouragement!

This blog reflects the warmth of Wolf Moon’s generous, kind, tolerant, intelligent soul!

Valerie Curren

Amen!

GA/FL

I was referring to ALL the authors you have given us – past and present!

kalbokalbs

Have the greatest appreciation AND respect for Steve.

Appreciate the logic Steve has patiently provided. Along with an education AND understanding of sorts across the spectrum of his posts. Stuff I never could have understood, without his detailed articles, carefully written with such great clarity.

Whatever Steve opts for, I’ll always recall the generous, personal time Steve put into his articles. Genuine friend. MeThinks.

Have the greatest appreciation AND respect for Steve.

Brave and Free

Well at least we/you know. 🙏

PAVACA

Wolf Moon
Thank you.
Sending Good Energy and meditations for our good SteveInCO.
May Yours Truly just say — I hope he returns to the board here.

pgroup2

Well, my idea is that he’s in one of those 30 day ‘get sober’ programs. No, not for substance abuse – for overwhelming frustration at someone here.

And if in any way I have contributed to any of his frustration, I deeply apologize for my transgressions.

  :wpds_whew: 

Valerie Curren

 🙏  God’s got Steve in the palm of His hand, whether he knows/likes it or not!

Valerie Curren

patfrederick

now you have me wondering what Steve’s definition of an “excellent adventure” would be…?
before this, i imagined he was camped out at Hooters enjoying the “scenery”.

singingsoul1

I have a speculation but not saying anything unless Steve wants to tell us. I redacted from some of the things he share over the years.
I wish him safe return to us. Prayers for Steve.

cthulhu

While I agree with not being too serious about Steve, feel free to speculate something silly.

Maybe, instead of a cruise, he’s just gone boating…..

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Valerie Curren

That’s one epic way to chase a woman LOL

TheseTruths

Donald J. Trump:

President Zelenskyy of Ukraine can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight. Remember how it started. No getting back Obama given Crimea (12 years ago, without a shot being fired!), and NO GOING INTO NATO BY UKRAINE. Some things never change!!!

TradeBait2

Sort of like Epstein – don’t care – as long and we send none of our people there or spend another dollar on it.

If the Ukies do not have enough sense to shitcan their idgit wannabe dictator, they get what they get. They decided to take on the second most prolific war machine in the world with less than one third of their opponent’s population and even less war making resources because they have a bunch of evil, real Nazis in control.

PDT has laid out the path forward. Take it or die.

Aubergine

I’m with you, buddy! Take it or die.

Why people can’t see that the Nazis are the problem is beyond my comprehension. Russians are a people steeped in their own history. Nazis killed somewhere are 27 million Soviet citizens in WWII.

For some perspective, the population of the USSR in 1940 was about 194 million people, so that means almost 14% of the people died. That would be like killing over 47 million Americans today. Think of how we would feel about the group that did something like that.

Aubergine

Can’t wait!

TheseTruths

JUST IN: President Trump’s schedule with European leaders Monday is JAMPACKED.

Another Oval Office meeting with Zelensky is set for 1:15pm ET, and a multilateral press conference with 5+ European leaders is scheduled for 3pm

Going to be a VERY interesting day!

cthulhu

I was quite surprised to find that Zelensky the sow was going to be accompanied by so many European tits on a boar.

TheseTruths

Very poetically said! 😅

But yeah, this is a big deal…

scott467

Surprised the euro-Nazis are even letting their puppet attend.

kalbokalbs

euro-Nazis controlling their marionette puppet. Stay on script.

  • WAR. Russia bad, BAD, BAD.
para59r

After the first Zelensky meet in the Oval, the UK and Euro’s pieced back together their broken puppet and waited for Trump to show up on the Continent. When he did they assailed him with manly man jolly talk filled with visions of questing and notions of mortal combat and economic might that could finally crush and defeat Vald the Eastern wanna be second rate aristocrat and settle the war once and for all in favor of the crafty sleek carpet baggers so they could get on with looting the Rus land.

Trump gave it all a nod and wink and headed back home, working out an older plan that would see the money grubbers brought back down to station more to their deserving and it was again back to the Continent to declare his findings that he found them in arrears given their largesse at our expense.
That was of course shocking to the old ruling class, but in their warped thinking the way out in their stale corrupted thinking remains the pillaging of their eastern neighbor and everything could then be made magically right again and champagne would continue to flow as long as they can keep Donald thinking he’s their savior, thus they acknowledged their debts and promised to pay and looked forward to him marshaling his forces to come and save the day in the agreed manly way.

Alas Donald returned home and continued with the original plan, sending Vald greetings and set up a meet to clear the air and determine prospects for grander plans that might put our Euro friends in the back seat. Happy with that he now summons the now stony faced rubes who are even now painting smiles on their faces and practicing the lines that seemed to work before, now that they realize the Donald still has notions of doing things his way. The manly man jolly talk worked the first time and will be the first weapon employed with hopes the MIC will lend a voice through their stalwart companions in the halls of congress, but I suspect they’ll be hesitant lending a voice since they’ve not been invited to the table.

Lots of back slapping and hand grabbing faces of good cheer expected to be seen tomorrow. But beneath those expressions will be fear the Donald is going to dismiss them to face their past mistakes that they still haven’t come to terms with. Either they win him back or wails of betrayal and lament will seep up from all corners as the scheming fucks depart under a dark cloud to an uncertain future and no doubt begin scheming again.

scott467

Let the wailing begin 👍😎

TradeBait2

^^^ 👍👍👍 😂😂😂

Charlie

Eye bleach – what a visual. Macron….
lol

scott467

Wonder if the Europeon leaders are aware how ridiculous they look, afraid to let their puppet anywhere near the decision making process about his OWN country (wink, wink) without doing all of his talking for him.

I mean, normal people would be embarrassed, but not the wholly shameless euro-fascists 🤣

Robert Baker

Wonder if the Europeon leaders are aware how ridiculous they look, afraid to let their puppet anywhere near the decision making process about his OWN country (wink, wink) without doing all of his talking for him.

Zelensky is the West’s chosen puppet, a raunchy comedian with no political experience. Think of how ridiculous that is. Of the many millions of available Ukrainians from which to choose, Z man got the nod. That makes one wonder about the mental state of the Europe. Maybe the only way to save the Europeans was to replace them. They were ruled by kings for most of their history, maybe meritocracy is not in the cards. They are no longer interested in having children so being subsumed by a heartier culture is the only way to extend their history.

Aubergine

It’s interesting. I have come to understand that ancestral memory really is a thing. It’s called epigenetics.

The freedom-loving Europeans saw the New World as their chance, and most took it. The ones who stayed in Europe were the “vassals” who were comfortable with their quasi-slavery.

Now, Americans bristle like a ridge-back hog if you look crosswise at our guns or free speech, and Europeans go to jail for posting memes.

We are who we descended from.

Wyoming Knucklehead

Love this 👆 

Aubergine

Zelensky should be humiliated, but he’s too stupid to be.

duchess01

LOL

GA/FL

President Trump is hosting the whole group for lunch.

https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/topic/calendar/

cthulhu

Aubergine

I will be able to tell if the little Ukrainian troll is serious about peace or not by what he is wearing. If it’s a suit and tie, I’m hopeful. If not, I hope Trump sends him home without lunch.

kalbokalbs

Zelensky will be wearing a suit and tie. He was told to do so.

The only hope is, Zelensky hears, a ‘Come To Jesus” ultimatum. Could be from Witcoff before he meets with Trump. Trump reinforces the message, or personally delivers the message himself, in a one-on-one.

Morons from EU/UK need to know they follow Trump’s lead, or “own it”, without the US. Full Stop.

Aubergine

I sure hope so!

kalbokalbs

It may have been in C&C. Somewhere, today, I read, tariffs. could play a roll in talks today.

EU, UK, all of them dimwits insisting in an audience with Trump, may learn, tariffs tailored to their countries go up. They best, play by Trump’s lead for peace, OR pay the price in increased tariffs.

Dumbasses are stepping in it, all by themselves.

duchess01

YOU FUNNY DUDETTE TODAY – METHINKS YOU NO LIKE ‘LITTLE Z’

Aubergine

🙂

I think he’s a little Nazi-sympathizing dictator. I guess you could say I don’t like him, lol!

duchess01

Not wild about him either – cannot forget that little man dance he did in the high heels – YUCKY !!!

TheseTruths

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TheseTruths

I love the salute to Wheatie, and the reason for it! 🫡

scott467

Yes, I mercilessly stole that image from Scott, when I realized that I could use it in the way that I did!

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That’s okay, I have a copy.

I keep it on yootoob, you know, for security reasons 👍😂

cthulhu

That hardly ever happens.

pgroup2

[snort]

Aubergine

“Affirmative.”

Best science fiction movie ever made, in my humble opinion.

Aubergine

No kidding!

scott467

That one is an all-time great for me too. First time I watched it was on a 19″ color TV in my future college room mate’s dorm room, with about 10 other people crammed into the tiny room.

I thought the movie was over at least two, maybe three different times before the credits finally rolled. Just amazing! 😁

One of maybe 6 or 7 films I could name where the original is a classic, and the sequel is actually even better 👍

These are the ones I can think of at the moment:

Godfather –> Godfather II

Terminator –> Terminator 2: Judgment Day

Star Wars –> Empire Strikes Back

Fistful of Dollars –> For a Few Dollars More –> The Good, the Bad & the Ugly

Mad Max –> The Road Warrior

Kill Bill Vol. 1 –> Kill Bill Vol. 2 (about tied for me)

Alien –> Aliens (a.k.a. Alien II)
.

I haven’t seen the sequel to Blade Runner yet (Blade Runner 2049), or Dark Knight / Dark Knight Rises. There may be a few others (Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan was better than the first Star Trek movie), but not many!

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Aubergine

I mostly agree, but…

The first Terminator is the most romantic movie ever made.

And the first Star Wars film is the best of all of those, to me.

Blade Runner is to film noir what Aliens is to sci-fi; it’s so good it literally redefines the genre.

Happy go lucky

Hello everyone. I want to thank you for your kindness, and encourage you to keep loving one another. Lots of 💕 to you.

cthulhu

Howdy, howdy — good to see you.

patfrederick

how are you and your parents?
you are all in my prayers Happy.

PAVACA

Happy go lucky
All the best to you and yours! Sending Good Energy to all.

cthulhu

Some thoughts for Wolf about his site —

https://www.city-journal.org/article/reclaiming-the-subway

GA/FL

This morning, SD asked the question – what do the Ukrainian people want?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/08/18/the-missing-element-what-do-the-ukrainian-people-want/

Here’s one guy who says Zelenskyy doesn’t represent Ukrainians. (ht – Rodney @Marica’s)

Europe aka the EU is very much involved in the creation of the Ukraine-Russia conflict. 

Particularly this group – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union–Ukraine_Association_Agreement

We have to remind ourselves that the current government entity of Ukraine is only a few years old formed after a suspected US-EU sponsored uprising.  

Zelenskyy is a figurehead actor selected by those sponsors to be the leader of Ukraine – likely the same power mongering people who selected Øbama to be our leader and foisted Biden on the US after a rigged election.

The current government of Ukraine is an artificial political agenda construction – kinda like Gaza.

pgroup2

Oh my God – the truth!!!!! It’s too bright!!!! I can’t stand it!!!!

My eyes!!!! Ewwwwwow …!!!!!!!!

GA/FL

Oh boy…

Another one forming right after Erin.

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We are watching Windy.com to follow every counter clockwise wind rotation very carefully.

pgroup2

Even though there’s not a darn thing any of us can do about it.  😂  😍 

cthulhu

There are several ways to prepare for hurricanes.

scott467

Evacuating or going inside would be near the top of my list 👍

duchess01

EACH DAY WE TAKE UP THE OFFENSIVE WEAPON OF THE WORD OF GOD – THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT – ONE VERSE OPENS THE DOOR TO THE CONTEXT OF THE CHAPTER MESSAGE

Verse of the Day for Monday, August 18, 2025

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” 

Galatians 3:13 (KJV)

COMMENTARY FOR GALATIANS 3

“The Galatians reproved for departing from the great doctrine of justification alone, through faith in Christ. (1-5) This doctrine established from the example of Abraham. (6-9) From the tenor of the law and the severity of its curse. (10-14) From the covenant of promises, which the law could not disannul. (15-18) The law was a schoolmaster to lead them to Christ. (19-25) Under the gospel state true believers are all one in Christ.” (26-29)

(6-14) “The apostle proves the doctrine he had blamed the Galatians for rejecting; namely, that of justification by faith without the works of the law. This he does from the example of Abraham, whose faith fastened upon the word and promise of God, and upon his believing he was owned and accepted of God as a righteous man. The Scripture is said to foresee, because the Holy Spirit that indited the Scripture did foresee. Through faith in the promise of God he was blessed; and it is only in the same way that others obtain this privilege. Let us then study the object, nature, and effects of Abraham’s faith; for who can in any other way escape the curse of the holy law? The curse is against all sinners, therefore against all men; for all have sinned, and are become guilty before God: and if, as transgressors of the law, we are under its curse, it must be vain to look for justification by it. Those only are just or righteous who are freed from death and wrath, and restored into a state of life in the favour of God; and it is only through faith that persons become righteous. Thus we see that justification by faith is no new doctrine, but was taught in the church of God, long before the times of the gospel. It is, in truth, the only way wherein any sinners ever were, or can be justified. Though deliverance is not to be expected from the law, there is a way open to escape the curse, and regain the favour of God, namely, through faith in Christ. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law; being made sin, or a sin-offering, for us, he was made a curse for us; not separated from God, but laid for a time under the Divine punishment. The heavy sufferings of the Son of God, more loudly warn sinners to flee from the wrath to come, than all the curses of the law; for how can God spare any man who remains under sin, seeing that he spared not his own Son, when our sins were charged upon him? Yet at the same time, Christ, as from the cross, freely invites sinners to take refuge in him.”

Commentary by Matthew Henry, 1710.

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Verse of the day – August 18, 2025 | Hebrews 13:2

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Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered !!!



duchess01

WE ARE FIGHTING A SPIRITUAL WAR OF GOOD VERSUS EVIL

PRAYING ON THE ARMOR OF GOD

Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.

I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.

I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.

Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.

May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.

With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.

Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me. 

Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen.

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duchess01

PLEASE PRAY FOR ABUSED, MISSING, AND TRAFFICKED CHILDREN

BE MY VOICE

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JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN

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CHILD NOT CHOICE

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duchess01

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St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

duchess01

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duchess01

PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER

MAPA = MAKE AMERICA PRAY AGAIN

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duchess01

TIME AFTER TIME

When all seems lost notice what happens next
God suddenly halts it at its apex 
God said for us He will make an escape
Just as He promised in His Word takes shape

He will never abandon or leave us alone
To face problems without solution shown
When we put our trust completely in Him 
The problem will no longer seem so grim

We might find answers thru advice of friends
Or maybe thru our thinking God will cleanse 
Clarify and correct less the emotion
To help us strive and stop the commotion

Some days are plagued with sorrow and pain
We simply must manage stay safe and sane
One mishap after another to knock us down
Somehow we remain afloat and not drown 

It is easy to see when we have faith
Just as in His Word He simply saith 
For without faith we sure cannot please God
Cause faith is the substance of hope unflawed 

When you lean not on your own understanding
You’ll see His power exert expanding
Acknowledging Him brings Him close at hand
His knowledge and wisdom at our command

Time after time God has proven His love
Definitively infinitely from above
Remember He resides inside of you
To assist abet with all that you do 

D01: 07/31/2023

para59r
duchess01

PRAISE AND WORSHIP

HOLY TIME – Soaking worship instrumental – Prayer, Devotional and Bible Study

duchess01

Psalm 91. The most powerful prayer from the Bible. God’s protection, healing

#psalm91 #psalms #prayer

Pray Everyday

https://rumble.com/v57jz8d-psalm-91.the-most-powerful-prayer-from-the-bible.-gods-protection-healing-p.html

Sleep Well with Psalms. Psalm 91, Psalm 121, Psalm 3, Psalm 4, Psalm 139.

#faith #god #psalms

prayeveryday777

https://rumble.com/v57jvfg-sleep-well-with-psalms.-psalm-91-psalm-121-psalm-3-psalm-4-psalm-139.faith-.html

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HAVE A VERY BLESSED DAY !!! ❤️❤️❤️



duchess01

Pendulum Lyrics: 

I been walking a tightrope between fact and fiction 
I been wrestling with demons in small bottled prisons
I been talking with sinners who claim to be Christian 
I been shouting at leaders who claim to be listening

& the pendulum swings from the left to the right 
and momentum increases the need for the fight
Like a moment of blindness in a lifetime of sight 
& I am caught somewhere the middle

I saw a president blind to the needs of his people 
I saw a camel that passed through the eye of a needle
I saw a group of old men whose money was evil 
I saw a cross breaking free from the cage of a steeple
I saw beggars and cripples dying in squalor 
I saw a son whose sins had exceeded his father
I saw a nation of sleepers whose dreams were forgotten 
& a bushel of apples from a tree that was rotten

& the pendulum swings from the left to the right 
as momentum increases the need for the fight
Like a blindfold when its time to walk towards the light 
& I am lost somewhere in the middle

I heard the echo of suffering in the valley of laughter 
I heard the rumble of earthquakes far under the water
I heard a court jester whose forked tongue was twisted 
Who told us of dangers that never existed
I heard voices that claimed to be moral and righteous 
Whose lies and deceit were all dark and contagious
I heard talk of a country that valued its freedom 
But when I protested I was arrested and beaten

& the pendulum swings from the left to the right 
As momentum increases the weight and the height
But if nobody’s listening, is anyone right? 
& I can’t seem to find the key to the riddle

I met a young woman with a baby inside her 
I looked but there wasn’t a safe place to hide her 
I met an old man with a face like a mirror 
His showed me his sadness so I could see clearer 

I met an arrogant leader who robs us and cheats us 
He pretends that his orders come directly from Jesus
When he sends out our children to strange foreign soil 
To kill for the right to monopolize oil

I’m a raising my voice ‘gainst the house of derision 
That murders our freedom with short-sighted vision
I’ll sing a new song about civilization 
& the palace of wisdom and the death of a nation

I’ll lift up the veil that’s hiding the holy 
& remind all the people that change happens slowly
I’ll scream out a name to the echoes of Heaven 
& pray that the world don’t end up where its heading

& the pendulum swings from the left to the right
as momentum decreases the end is in sight
There’s a lunatic handling our future tonight
& I am lost somewhere in the middle

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GA/FL

WONDER how much of this cr-p is going on?

Wall Street Apes
@WallStreetApes
4h
Muslim Government Assistance Scam in America EXPOSED

“I was speaking in Detroit area — They were telling me about a lady who had a ministry to pregnant mothers:

– So she shows up at a Muslim house, has a little present. Well, out of a bedroom comes another pregnant Muslim mom
– Out of a bedroom comes another pregnant Muslim mom. Out of a bedroom comes another pregnant Muslim mom, all pregnant by the same man
– He’s practicing Sharia law in his house
– He bought a bunch of houses on the street, has a wife in each one
– The wives go down to the welfare office and say their husband’s not around
– And the more kids they have, the larger the checks get
– And then he’s living like a king at state’s expense

This scam MUST be stopped.

“He’s practicing Sharia law on his block. They take over several more blocks, and they vote in the school board, and now they have their Sharia in the schools, and then they take over more blocks. They vote in the police department, fire department, and in Hamtramck, Detroit, they vote in the majority of the city council. They have their minarets, their calls to prayer five times a day, no different than Pakistan.

– So we see the first ones come in as immigrants. And they’re nice, and they’re so nice. Everybody says they’re nice. Nothing to fear
– Let more in. More come in. They gravitate together, form a community
– Imam shows up and says, okay, you need to start getting a little more serious about this, more fundamental. Then the burqas start appearing
– People say the neighborhood’s changing. They move out. More Muslims move in.
— So eventually, they take over the entire neighborhood. And they do this neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city, block by block, until they take over countries.

“Mohammed’s three steps was immigrate, increase, eliminate. Immigrate as a religious refugee, increase the number of your followers and demand political accommodation and then eliminate the previous culture.”

This is how Hamtramck, Detroit officially became America’s first Muslim-majority city

INSANE

pgroup2

There is not supposed to be any welfare benefits unless the father is named so child support can be collected. Now if baby daddy is named but the state fails to chase him down, whose fault is that?

All of them have to be legally present in the USA in order to qualify for welfare and IIRC the failure to support ALL dependents is grounds for removal/revocation.

As a former divorce / child custody paralegal, I have lost count of the number of American fathers that were abused by the child support system. A lot of them ended up living in their cars in the parking lots of their employers.

I once was in court and heard a mother pleading with the judge not to jail her ex for violating the child support order because the children freak out when they can’t see him every couple of days. Judge says – then he needs to get current on his back child support. Off to jail he goes. Woman runs sobbing out of courtroom. Clerk calls the next case in a monotone resembling early computer voice simulation.

She lost control of her custody case the instant she applied for welfare because the child support rights have to be surrendered to the state in order to sign the form. The state [of course] doesn’t have to hear the crying kids at night. Minor details.

So how do these muzzies get a pass on that shit?

By the way, shouldn’t the State Department be demanding that all male Muslims be checked for circumcision? It is commanded by Abrahamic tradition in Genesis.  😠 

Aubergine

The Islamic way.

scott467

They way to stop all the islamic aggression with intent to takeover is to ban islam.

Stop recognizing it as the religion it isn’t, and start recognizing it as the degenerate, immoral, lawless system of corruption and conquest that it is.

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para59r

Agreed. They should be sent back where they came from.
That said, when speaking about Gaza and the West bank (7million Palestinians) Those places are their original homes and they lived there before Israeli’s started returning in the 40s. DNA blood samples put them at over 80% as being there since Biblical Times vs 60% for Israelis (also 7 million).

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GA/FL

The Children of Israel aka Jews, followers of the Torah and Commandments of GOD, were there and given the land long before Islam was even founded by Mohammed.

Brave and Free

Love how this POS believes he knows how to respond better than PDJT.
There’s a reason why you’re not in the WH Mikey.
Doing what he’s told to do, his overlords have hold of his nut sack!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/08/rino-turncoat-mike-pence-demands-trump-bring-down/

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scott467

McPince is in no position to demand anything, of anyone.

Brave and Free

Then there’s this Shithead too, what a POS. The threat of being arrested is eating away at the few remaining brain cells he has left. Oh and it’s glorious LOL 😆
I’m a Swiftie……. reaching out to the brain dead groupies. Sorry they don’t even know who you are, let alone give a shit.

So he’s just trying to drum up any kind support, thinking he’s about to take a walk on the beach again, and keep on walking into the suf this time…

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/08/comey-trashes-president-trump-5-minute-rant-says/

bakocarl

The Spoiler . . . a poem.

The Spoiler

Away from action, the spoiler hides
Before Smiley where it resides.
To use it, you must break the code
To help the blog lighten the load.

Aubergine

Ok, you are funny, too!

barkerjim

“I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something.” — Richard Feynman

barkerjim

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scott467

Okay… I’ll try… it doesn’t come naturally to me… 🤣

barkerjim

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bakocarl

I asked Grok a rather lengthy and detailed question about the Israel – Gaza conflict. I think Grok’s response is informative, but I don’t claim that it is 100% complete, or totally correct. I’d like to pass Grok’s response on for broader consideration

Gaza – Layers of Actors

Layers of Actors in the Israel-Gaza Conflict:

A Complex Web of Motives and Actions

The Israel-Gaza conflict, ongoing for decades but intensified since Hamas’s attack on October 7, 2023, is a brutal and intricate struggle driven by a range of actors with varying motivations, power dynamics, and roles. Below, we analyze the “layers” of key groups within Gaza (Palestinian) and Israeli society, drawing on available evidence to illustrate their contributions to the conflict’s persistence and complexity. This analysis aims to underscore the multifaceted nature of the conflict and the challenges of achieving resolution.
Gaza (Palestinian) Side: Layers of Actors
1. Hamas Leadership and Elite

  • Role and Motivations: The top layer consists of Hamas’s senior leadership, both political and military, who hold significant power and influence in Gaza. Leaders like Yahya Sinwar (until his reported death) and Ismail Haniyeh have historically controlled Hamas’s strategy, balancing ideological goals (e.g., resistance against Israel, establishing an Islamic state) with political survival and personal enrichment. Some reports suggest Hamas leaders have amassed wealth, with the BBC noting that Hamas stockpiled $700 million in cash in tunnels before October 2023, possibly for personal or organizational gain.
  • Actions: This layer directs Hamas’s military operations, including the October 7 attack that killed ~1,200 Israelis and took ~250 hostages. They also control aid distribution, often diverting resources for military purposes or to maintain loyalty among supporters, as noted in reports of Hamas seizing aid convoys and selling food on the black market.
  • Impact on Conflict: Their commitment to armed resistance and refusal to disarm (e.g., rejecting Arab League calls to cede control without statehood guarantees) perpetuates the conflict. Their wealth and power, insulated from Gaza’s suffering, suggest a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, as shortages can be leveraged for propaganda against Israel.
  • Evidence: Hamas’s charter explicitly calls for Israel’s destruction, and their governance since 2007 has prioritized military buildup (e.g., tunnel networks, rocket arsenals) over civilian welfare. Gaza’s health ministry, controlled by Hamas, reports over 60,000 deaths since October 2023, often framing these as Israeli aggression to bolster their narrative.

2. Mid-Level Hamas Operatives and Enforcers

  • Role and Motivations: This layer includes mid-level commanders, administrators, and operatives who implement Hamas’s policies. They derive power and status from their roles in Hamas’s military wing (Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades) or governance structures, enforcing control over Gaza’s population and coordinating attacks. Their motivations blend ideological commitment with personal benefits, such as salaries or social influence.
  • Actions: These operatives manage Hamas’s tunnel networks, organize rocket attacks, and suppress dissent within Gaza. They also recruit and mobilize fighters, often using propaganda or coercion. Reports indicate Hamas uses civilian infrastructure (e.g., hospitals, schools) as military bases, embedding operations in populated areas to deter Israeli strikes or exploit civilian casualties for propaganda.
  • Impact on Conflict: By executing Hamas’s strategy, this layer sustains the cycle of violence, as their actions (e.g., rocket fire, ambushes) provoke Israeli retaliation, which in turn fuels Hamas’s recruitment narrative. Their control over aid distribution reinforces Hamas’s grip, making it difficult for alternative governance to emerge.
  • Evidence: The IDF has targeted and killed many mid-level commanders, yet Hamas continues to function, indicating a resilient organizational structure. The group’s use of civilians as shields is widely documented, complicating Israeli military operations and increasing civilian casualties.

3. Radicalized Fighters and Ideological Extremists

  • Role and Motivations: This layer comprises dedicated fighters within Hamas and allied groups like Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), driven by ideological zeal to destroy Israel. They view violence as a legitimate means to achieve their goals, often embracing martyrdom. Some are radicalized by personal loss or Hamas’s propaganda, which glorifies “resistance.”
  • Actions: These fighters carry out attacks, including rocket launches, suicide bombings, and guerrilla warfare. The October 7 attack involved such fighters, who killed civilians and took hostages. They also indoctrinate younger Gazans, fostering a culture of militancy.
  • Impact on Conflict: Their willingness to die for the cause makes military defeat challenging, as they operate in decentralized, guerrilla-style networks. Their actions sustain Hamas’s military capacity, even after significant losses (e.g., tens of thousands of fighters killed).
  • Evidence: Hamas’s military wing reportedly has 25,000+ fighters, with PIJ adding several hundred more. Their extensive tunnel network, described as 311 miles long, enables prolonged resistance.

4. Ordinary Gazans Seeking Survival

  • Role and Motivations: The majority of Gaza’s ~2 million residents fall into this layer, focused on survival amidst war, poverty, and blockade. They face dire humanitarian conditions, with UN reports warning of famine and over 1 million displaced since October 2023. Their primary concerns are securing food, water, and safety for their families.
  • Actions: Many Gazans are coerced or incentivized to support Hamas, either through aid dependency or fear of retribution. Some participate in protests or low-level support roles (e.g., logistics), while others try to avoid involvement. Occasional anti-Hamas protests occur but are quickly suppressed.
  • Impact on Conflict: This layer is caught between Hamas’s control and Israeli military actions. Their suffering fuels Hamas’s propaganda, as civilian casualties are framed as Israeli atrocities, yet their lack of agency limits their ability to challenge Hamas’s rule. Israel’s restrictions on aid (e.g., cutting electricity, limiting supplies) exacerbate their plight, deepening resentment.
  • Evidence: Gaza’s health ministry reports 60,034 deaths, mostly civilians, since October 2023. The UN notes 30% of Gaza’s housing is destroyed or damaged, highlighting the scale of civilian hardship.

5. Children and Youth

  • Role and Motivations: Gaza’s children, making up nearly half the population, are the most vulnerable layer. They are exposed to violence, starvation, and indoctrination, with UNICEF reporting rising acute malnourishment. Their primary “motivation” is survival, but many are shaped by Hamas’s education system, which promotes anti-Israel sentiment.
  • Actions: Children are often passive victims, caught in crossfire or used as human shields. Some are recruited into Hamas’s youth programs or radicalized over time, learning to view Israel as the enemy.
  • Impact on Conflict: The suffering of children (e.g., UNICEF’s report of the highest single-day child death toll in 2024) amplifies international criticism of Israel and strengthens Hamas’s narrative. Long-term, their exposure to violence risks perpetuating a cycle of radicalization.
  • Evidence: The UN reports significant child casualties, with hundreds killed in airstrikes. Hamas’s use of child soldiers and propaganda in schools is documented, though exact numbers are unclear.

Israeli Side: Layers of Actors
1. Political and Military Leadership

  • Role and Motivations: Israel’s leadership, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the security cabinet, drives the country’s Gaza policy. Their stated goals are to eliminate Hamas’s threat, secure hostages, and ensure Israel’s security. However, political survival and coalition dynamics (e.g., reliance on right-wing parties) shape decisions, with some leaders advocating for maximalist goals like reoccupying Gaza or rebuilding settlements.
  • Actions: This layer approves major operations, such as Operation Gideon’s Chariots (May 2025), aimed at defeating Hamas and controlling Gaza City. They also impose measures like aid restrictions and electricity cutoffs to pressure Hamas, though these often harm civilians. Netanyahu’s rejection of alternative governance plans (e.g., Palestinian Authority rule) hinders post-war solutions.
  • Impact on Conflict: Their escalation, including plans to occupy Gaza City (August 2025), risks a “forever war” by prioritizing military control over diplomacy, alienating allies and endangering hostages. Domestic political pressures, including protests against Netanyahu, complicate decision-making.
  • Evidence: Netanyahu’s “five principles” for ending the war (disarming Hamas, hostage return, Gaza demilitarization, Israeli security control, alternative administration) reflect a hardline stance. His refusal to commit to a clear “day after” vision undermines international support.

2. Military Command and IDF Operatives

  • Role and Motivations: The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and its commanders execute government policy, focusing on tactical success against Hamas. They are motivated by security imperatives but face challenges from political directives that conflict with military strategy (e.g., IDF chief Eyal Zamir’s opposition to Gaza occupation).
  • Actions: The IDF conducts airstrikes, ground operations, and targeted killings (e.g., Hamas leaders Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif). They have dismantled much of Hamas’s infrastructure but struggle with guerrilla tactics and tunnel networks. The IDF also manages buffer zones and security perimeters.
  • Impact on Conflict: The IDF’s tactical successes (e.g., capturing key areas like Rafah) have not translated into strategic victory, as Hamas persists. Operations often result in high civilian casualties, fueling international condemnation and Hamas’s propaganda.
  • Evidence: The IDF has killed tens of thousands of Hamas fighters and destroyed significant infrastructure, yet Hamas retains control over parts of Gaza. Operations like Gideon’s Chariots aim for territorial control but face resistance from Hamas’s guerrilla tactics.

3. Hardline Ideological Groups and Settler Movements

  • Role and Motivations: This layer includes right-wing parties and settler movements advocating for permanent Israeli control over Gaza, including rebuilding Jewish settlements. They view Gaza as part of the biblical “Land of Israel” and see military dominance as a divine or national imperative.
  • Actions: These groups pressure the government to expand operations and reject Palestinian statehood. Some engage in settler violence in the West Bank, escalating tensions. Their influence in Netanyahu’s coalition pushes for policies like indefinite occupation.
  • Impact on Conflict: Their ideological goals complicate peace efforts, as they oppose compromises like hostage deals involving Palestinian prisoner releases. Their vision of Gaza’s annexation alienates allies and risks long-term insurgency.
  • Evidence: Reports note right-wing parties’ influence on Netanyahu’s reluctance to define a post-war governance plan, with some advocating for Palestinian resettlement.

4. Israeli Civilians and Hostage Families

  • Role and Motivations: Most Israelis support eliminating Hamas’s threat but are divided on methods. Hostage families prioritize their loved ones’ release, with ~58 hostages (20 believed alive) still held as of June 2025. Civilians face rocket attacks and security fears, shaping public support for military action.
  • Actions: Hostage families protest against government policies they see as endangering captives, such as the Gaza City takeover plan. Ordinary citizens endure economic and social strain from reservist call-ups and ongoing conflict.
  • Impact on Conflict: Public pressure for hostage release clashes with hardline policies, creating domestic friction. Protests in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv reflect growing distrust in Netanyahu’s leadership. Civilian resilience supports the war effort but wanes as costs mount.
  • Evidence: Protests against renewed fighting and the Gaza City plan highlight public discontent, with families like Einav Zangauker’s accusing Netanyahu of prioritizing politics over hostages.

5. Israeli Youth and Future Generations

  • Role and Motivations: Israeli children and youth are exposed to the conflict through rocket alerts, military service, and national narratives of survival. They are motivated by a desire for safety but are shaped by trauma from events like October 7, 2023.
  • Actions: Most are passive, but older youth serve in the IDF, contributing to operations. Educational systems emphasize Israel’s security needs, fostering a defensive mindset.
  • Impact on Conflict: Their experiences perpetuate a cycle of fear and militarization, making peace harder to envision. Long-term, their views will shape Israel’s policies.
  • Evidence: The trauma of October 7, with 1,200 killed, continues to dominate Israel’s national conversation, influencing youth perspectives.

Complexity and Implications
The layered structure on both sides reveals a conflict driven by competing interests:

  • Gaza: Hamas’s leadership exploits civilian suffering to maintain power, while ordinary Gazans and children bear the brunt of war. The lack of alternative governance and Hamas’s control over aid perpetuate dependency and militancy.
  • Israel: Political and ideological divisions between security-focused and maximalist goals hinder a coherent strategy. Military successes are undermined by the absence of a post-war plan, risking a “forever war.”
  • Shared Dynamics: Both sides’ leaderships face internal pressures (e.g., Hamas’s need to suppress dissent, Netanyahu’s coalition politics), while civilians and children suffer disproportionately. The cycle of violence is fueled by mutual distrust, with each side’s actions justifying the other’s retaliation.

Why No Easy Solutions?
1.   Entrenched Power Structures: Hamas’s grip on Gaza and Israel’s political divisions make compromise difficult. Hamas rejects disarmament, while Israel’s right-wing pushes for occupation, stalling diplomacy.
2.   Humanitarian Crisis: Gaza’s famine and displacement (over 1 million displaced) amplify resentment, while Israel’s aid restrictions backfire by strengthening Hamas’s narrative.
3.   Hostage Dilemma: Military pressure to free hostages often endangers them, as seen in deaths during IDF operations.
4.   International Polarization: Global condemnation of Israel’s actions (e.g., UN’s Guterres calling Gaza plans “gravely alarming”) clashes with support for Israel’s self-defense, complicating mediation.
5.   Cycle of Radicalization: Children on both sides grow up in trauma, learning narratives of enmity that sustain the conflict.
Conclusion
The Israel-Gaza conflict is a tragic web of layered actors, from self-interested leaders to suffering civilians. Blame is distributed across those who perpetuate violence (Hamas’s attacks, Israel’s escalations) and those unable to break the cycle (civilians, international actors). Pain is universal, with over 60,000 Palestinian and 1,200 Israeli deaths since October 2023. Resolution requires addressing root causes—Hamas’s control, Israel’s occupation policies, and the humanitarian crisis—while navigating the competing interests of each layer. Without a clear vision for governance and mutual security, the conflict risks remaining intractable.

para59r

Would have been good to have the Grok question. Some of the data seemed spot on, some seemed off, so Grok’d a small section of it.
Finds wide discrepancies in data for that section. This Grok below, (very short) gives data from Sep 2024 and then data from Jan 2025.

We are in Aug 2025 after a long up tick in bombings and fighting since the end of the 12 Day War against Iran after months long increase in news coverage, world focus and the Anti War Protests have gathered steam in just the last few months so even the Jan 2025 data is going to be dramatically different then now.

Grok what percentage of buildings in Gaza are destroyed, damaged, untouched?

Grok
Based on available data up to September 2024, the United Nations Satellite Centre (UNOSAT) reports that approximately 66% of buildings in the Gaza Strip have been damaged or destroyed. This accounts for 163,778 structures, broken down as follows:

  • Destroyed: 52,564 structures (approximately 21% of total structures, assuming a total of around 247,000 structures based on UNOSAT’s figures).
  • Severely damaged: 18,913 structures (approximately 8%).
  • Possibly damaged: 35,591 structures (approximately 14%).
  • Moderately affected: 56,710 structures (approximately 23%).

This leaves roughly 34% of buildings untouched (approximately 83,222 structures, calculated as the remaining portion of the estimated total).

More recent sources from January 2025, such as the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), indicate that 92% of housing units (about 436,000 out of 439,000) have been destroyed or damaged, suggesting a higher impact on residential structures specifically. Other estimates, ranging from 60% to 74.2% of all buildings damaged or destroyed, vary by source and timeframe, with some areas like Rafah and Gaza City facing up to 90% destruction.
Given the range of estimates:

  • Destroyed or damaged: 66% to 92% (depending on the source and focus on housing vs. all structures).
  • Untouched: 8% to 34% (with 8% for housing specifically and up to 34% for all structures based on earlier UNOSAT data).

These figures reflect the devastating impact of the conflict, with residential buildings hit hardest. Exact numbers vary due to differing methodologies and access challenges for assessments.

Separate note on death count. The 60,000 plus you get from Grok is widely accepted including by UN and Arab sources but all that data follows specific rules about what can be ruled in as a death. None of that data makes estimates on missing under the rubble. Some experts estimate the total numbers likely are closer to 400,000. This was worth a Grok so here it is.

Grok, deaths in Gaza are widely recognized as near 60,000. However I’ve seen estimates that go as high as over 500,000 to 400,000. Can you help explain the disparity?

Grok
The disparity in Gaza death toll estimates—ranging from around 60,000 to as high as 400,000–500,000—stems from differences in data collection, methodologies, and definitions of what constitutes a “death” in the context of the conflict. Below, I’ll break down the key factors contributing to this discrepancy, drawing on available evidence and reasoning through the issue.
1. Official Figures (Around 60,000)
The commonly cited figure of approximately 60,000 deaths comes from the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH), which has reported 61,766 deaths as of August 14, 2025, including 18,430 children. These numbers are based on a methodology that:

  • Counts only verified deaths: The MoH primarily records deaths that are documented at hospitals and morgues, requiring identified bodies with names and ID numbers. This ensures a conservative count to maintain credibility and avoid accusations of exaggeration.
  • Focuses on direct deaths: The MoH counts deaths caused by direct military action (e.g., bombings, gunfire) but excludes indirect deaths (e.g., from starvation, disease, or untreated injuries).
  • Faces significant challenges: The destruction of healthcare infrastructure, with only a third of Gaza’s hospitals partially functional, limits the MoH’s ability to document all deaths, especially in active combat zones or areas with restricted access. This leads to underreporting, as bodies under rubble (estimated at over 10,000) or deaths outside medical facilities are often not counted.

The MoH’s figures are widely reported by media and organizations like the UN and Al Jazeera because they are seen as a verifiable minimum, but they are acknowledged to be conservative. Independent analyses, such as those by the UN and WHO, have confirmed the accuracy of the MoH’s data for identified deaths, but they also note that the true toll is likely higher due to these limitations.
2. Higher Estimates (400,000–500,000)
Estimates reaching 400,000–500,000, such as those cited by Ralph Nader (claiming over 400,000 deaths by March 2025), come from broader interpretations of the conflict’s impact, including both direct and indirect deaths, and often rely on less verifiable methodologies. These higher figures are driven by:

  • Inclusion of indirect deaths: These estimates account for deaths from starvation, infectious diseases, untreated chronic illnesses, and injuries not immediately fatal, which the MoH does not include. For example, a July 2024 Lancet letter estimated up to 186,000 deaths by June 2024, assuming a ratio of four indirect deaths for every direct death, based on historical conflict data. Nader’s estimate aligns with this approach, citing factors like Gaza’s siege conditions, lack of food, water, medicine, and fuel, and the Geneva Declaration Secretariat’s review of prior conflicts suggesting indirect death ratios of 3:1 to 15:1.
  • Speculation on uncounted bodies: Tens of thousands of people are believed to be under rubble, unrecovered due to the collapse of infrastructure and restricted access. Nader argues that the scale of destruction (115,000 tons of bombs, widespread fires, and targeting of civilians) makes survival unlikely for most of Gaza’s 2.3 million population, leading to estimates that extrapolate far beyond verified counts.
  • Limited access for verification: The Israeli blockade prevents foreign journalists and independent investigators from entering Gaza, forcing reliance on extrapolations or anecdotal reports from medics and locals, who claim the true toll is “several times higher” than official figures. This lack of access fuels higher estimates, as researchers project based on the intensity of the conflict and historical precedents.

However, these high estimates are criticized for relying on assumptions rather than hard data. For instance, a Lancet critique notes that multipliers for indirect deaths are based on “unsubstantiated assumptions,” which can undermine credibility.

3. Independent Studies (80,000–100,000)
More rigorous independent studies provide a middle ground, estimating 75,000–100,000 deaths by early 2025. For example:

  • A study by Michael Spagat and colleagues, published on medRxiv, surveyed 2,000 households in Gaza from December 2024 to January 2025, estimating 75,200 violent deaths and 8,540 nonviolent excess deaths (total ~84,000) by January 5, 2025. This is 40% higher than the MoH’s 45,650 for the same period, with women, children, and the elderly making up 56.2% of violent deaths.
  • Another Lancet study by Zeina Jamaluddine estimated 64,260 violent deaths by June 2024, 41% higher than the MoH’s 37,877, using capture-recapture analysis of overlapping datasets (e.g., MoH lists and social media obituaries).
  • These studies benefit from fieldwork or statistical methods but are limited by incomplete access (e.g., inability to survey active combat zones like Northern Gaza) and lack of peer review in some cases. They still suggest a significant undercount by the MoH, particularly for violent deaths, but their indirect death estimates (e.g., 8,540 in Spagat’s study) are lower than earlier speculations like The Lancet’s 4:1 ratio.

4. Key Reasons for the Disparity

  • Methodological differences: The MoH’s conservative approach (verified bodies only) contrasts with studies that use statistical models or surveys to estimate uncounted deaths, and speculative estimates that apply high indirect death ratios.
  • Data collection challenges: The collapse of Gaza’s healthcare system, restricted access, and targeting of medics and journalists hinder accurate reporting. The MoH’s shift to using media reports for some data (since November 2023) introduces inconsistencies, such as underreporting adult male deaths (likely combatants) and overreporting child deaths.
  • Political influences: The MoH’s figures are scrutinized and sometimes dismissed as “Hamas-run,” while higher estimates are criticized for lacking empirical grounding. Both sides face accusations of bias—Hamas for potentially underreporting to avoid blame, and Israel for downplaying civilian deaths.
  • Scope of deaths counted: Official figures focus on direct deaths, while higher estimates include indirect deaths, which are harder to quantify but likely significant given Gaza’s humanitarian crisis (90% population displaced, famine risks, and collapsed healthcare).
  • Timeframe and extrapolation: Higher estimates often project forward or cover longer periods, inflating numbers compared to MoH snapshots. For instance, projecting Spagat’s 84,000 to August 2025 could yield ~100,000, but 400,000–500,000 requires extreme assumptions about indirect deaths.

5. Reconciling the Disparity

  • Likely range: Independent studies with primary data (e.g., Spagat’s survey) suggest a death toll of 80,000–100,000 by mid-2025, including both violent and nonviolent deaths. These are more grounded than the 400,000–500,000 estimates, which rely on high indirect death ratios without sufficient evidence.
  • Underreporting is real: The MoH’s figures are a minimum, undercounting by at least 40% for violent deaths alone, as confirmed by multiple studies. Indirect deaths, while harder to quantify, add to the toll, but ratios as high as 15:1 (implied by 400,000–500,000 estimates) lack robust backing.
  • Context matters: Gaza’s extreme conditions—66%–92% of buildings damaged or destroyed, widespread displacement, and restricted aid—support the plausibility of a higher toll than official figures, but not necessarily in the hundreds of thousands.

6. Conclusion
The 60,000 figure from the MoH is a conservative, verified count of direct deaths but misses unrecovered bodies and indirect deaths. Independent studies suggest a toll closer to 80,000–100,000 by early 2025, with robust methodologies but limited access. Estimates of 400,000–500,000 are outliers, driven by speculative indirect death ratios and lack granular data, making them less reliable. The true toll likely lies between the MoH’s undercount and the lower end of independent estimates, around 80,000–150,000, with indirect deaths remaining a significant but uncertain factor. For a definitive count, unrestricted access for researchers and journalists would be needed, which is currently blocked by the conflict.
If you’d like me to dig deeper into a specific study or aspect (e.g., indirect death methodologies), let me know!

Worth the read as most news agencies won’t bother going into this and just accept and repeat the MoH’s figures.

From the Conclusion: “…The true toll likely lies between the MoH’s undercount and the lower end of independent estimates, around 80,000–150,000…”

para59r

On a side note and before I forget. After remembering that Melania Trump did not come out and greet Mr and Mrs Bibi, nor attend their formal dinner at the WH, something she did do in the last administration and there’s pictures to prove it, I did some digging. On a hunch I checked her two photo album book things. Have them both. Anyways, just one picture of Bibi with out Mrs Bibi, walking with just Donald in the first book and neither one of them in the second book. \ 😁 /

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scott467

IIRC, Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to very publicly call and congratulate and start ass-kissing Brandon after the obviously stolen election.

Haven’t liked him ever since.

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para59r

Surprised GWP had this. Usually they stay away from Gaza.

Israel Plans to Move Hundreds of Thousands of Palestinians from Gaza: ReportJack Davis, The Western Journal Aug. 18, 2025 7:15 am 790 Comments

Tanks are rolling now. Plan is sending them to the lowest possible bidder. Sudan. Sudan where water wars lead to mass murder and genocide. From the firing pan to the fire.

scott467

Seems like the whole middle east has a problem with civilization and basic human decency.

I’m sure it has nothing to do with islam…

barkerjim

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/clown-cars-monday-august-18-2025

Good morning, C&C, it’s Monday! In today’s roundup: European clown car pulls up to the Oval Office for “bilateral” Trump-Zelensky talks; the real dynamics in Trump’s proxy war negotiation with the dainty EU officials; media whiplash after narrative pivot from Trump is a Dictator to Let’s All Agree About Crime; Democrats begin rolling out brand-new nominees for midterm races and I’ll give you one guess what they look like; and a quick C&C primer on the politics of candidate picking.

para59r

Until Trump people and the media start frame the Invasion of Ukraine as a Just War thing or at least rule that in, I don’t think we are going to see much of shift in the war status unless Putin folds. I don’t see that happening but who knows.. doubt it. Thus the best we can hope for is Trump just walks away as all those clowns today don’t look like they are are going to do that.

From this morning’s Military Summary Channel it was noted that Ukraine is flaunting that they will soon be putting into operation a new missile with father range (its not Germany’s Taurus missile as that was highly warned against but something slightly smaller and sleeker), as well as 15,000 new robots to fill in for loss of troops. Some of these robots were depicted in combat on the channel. I doubt Putin is impressed as I’ve seen at least one vid with a Russian robot on the attack last week.

Hasn’t dived into the news on this gaggle today, but has low expectations.

scott467

Until Trump people and the media start frame the Invasion of Ukraine as a Just War thing or at least rule that in, I don’t think we are going to see much of shift in the war status unless Putin folds.

______________

But it’s not a Just War, not even close, it’s the opposite of a just war.

I hope Trump’s people never start lying about it or claiming otherwise.

Valerie Curren

Hi guys, I haven’t been commenting a lot around here as I’m still, sort of, getting back into the swing of my “regular” life after an extended time Up North & numerous family commitments. I hope everyone is doing well for inconsistent reading here has meant I’ve surely missed updates on some Q-Treepers’ personal situations.

Tomorrow is a busy day in our extended family & I would Really Appreciate Prayer!

Josiah, my son, has his repeat ERCP procedure to remove the stent that was placed in his bile ducts about 3 months ago. Any ERCP procedure has a 10% risk of Pancreatitis but his Very Atypical Anatomy means his risk is higher…

We Really Hope to avoid another Pancreatitis bout & hospitalization as happened with his first ERCP procedure. We are also wrestling with the associations with my mom’s death that overlapped that previous hospitalization…

While J & I will be at his ERCP my dad is having a day at a dermatology site where likely multiple procedures will occur to remove skin cancer on his ear. My son Brandon, J’s twin, is planning to be there with his grandpa as a support (since I cannot be two places at the same time). Hopefully their day is straightforward, all the cancer is removed, & the bleeding can be stopped reasonably as Dad is on blood thinners.

J’s wife Rose is also having an out-patient procedure connected to her ongoing GI issues. She will be accompanied by at least one of her parents. Both she & J will be under sedation for their procedures so their communications will be intermittent as they both try to provide comfort & support for each other from afar.

Thanks again for any prayers on behalf of me & my family, they are Much Appreciated!

God Bless You ALL Most Richly…in Jesus’ Love! 

patfrederick

wow Val, you have a lot on your plate…always!
I’ll keep everyone in my thoughts and prayers!

Valerie Curren

Thanks Pat–Blessings!!!

How are things with You & your family, including your mom. I’ve missed any updates.

patfrederick

I haven’t updated anything because we’ve been going thru some things. My brother and sister in law told me almost 2 months ago (thru text messages–their preferred method of communication) that they intended to move mom to a “better” facility. We live 4 hours away–they are within minutes–so I said I trust your judgement. All i wanted was a name, address, and phone number so I could reach mom at the new place.

The last I spoke with her was Monday June 30th, by Tuesday she was gone and the facility refused to divulge any info other than that she was moved.

My brother or sister in law did not honor my requests for info.
They put her home up for sale, took what they wanted from the furnishings, sold the rest and ignored me.

Family members called to ask about Mom and I directed them to brother and his wife. they didn’t respond to anyone else either.

my cousin, Mom’s goddaughter, finally got thru to SIL who said she would ASK my mom if she wanted people to know her new location. she called my cousin back with the place name.

that was 10 days ago. I was able to write Mom a letter and send a stamped self addressed envelope with paper to write back, which she has. We finally have plans to visit with her this coming weekend. Sigh…

it hasn’t been an easy few weeks.

Linda

Wow, Pat, you’ve been through a lot, too. I’m so sorry for all the worry you’ve been through. You’re in my prayers.

patfrederick

I appreciate it Linda, thank you.

Valerie Curren

Oh Pat this is beyond horrifying. May God give you grace & strength as you interact with your mom & wisdom as to how to handle B & SIL. I am so very sorry that you are going through that & hope your mom is doing well in her new digs & managing all the upheaval & uncertainty well.  💔 

patfrederick

thank you Valerie.
I was angry for a long time because we were going to see her that Saturday and she promised to call me Friday to let me know what I could bring for her. When she didn’t call after she was relocated–I was angry. But in her letter she said she doesn’t have a phone “yet” and i am not sure if she will get one or what.
I want her to be happy. Now at least I can send her cards and letters and flowers and visit her.

Valerie Curren

It’s so outrageous so your anger is Completely Understandable. I’m glad you’ve found some work arounds with your mom. Maybe you could get her a burner phone with some minutes so you can hear each others’ voices at times? I saw some pretty cheap burners at Kroger a few months back of all places, fwiw  🙃 

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patfrederick

she’s had a cellphone for years. she despises it–and never charged it or used it.

Valerie Curren

I can understand that 🙂

scott467

But in her letter she said she doesn’t have a phone “yet” and i am not sure if she will get one or what.

I want her to be happy. Now at least I can send her cards and letters and flowers and visit her.

_____________

You could send her a cell phone with a prepaid plan, configured and ready to go, right out of the box, if she knows how to use a cell phone.

If she doesn’t, you could send her a regular corded landline phone. The facility must have landline access, or the ability to plug a regular landline push-button phone with handset into a modem somewhere.

I’m sorry you have been put through all this, it’s hard to believe people can be so difficult to their own family.

Then I remember some of mine…

patfrederick

she hates cell phones. she has one–we charged it every time we visited–she put it back in the box and let it die. she’s 86 and extremely set in her ways.

scott467

If cell phone makers weren’t so intellectually isolated in their own age-bubble, they would make cell phones for the elderly that looked and functioned just like a standard desktop push-button or rotary-dial phone from the 1980s.

No ‘smart phone’ technology, no bells and whistles, just an old fashioned phone case, with a corded handset and keypad (0-9 plus asterisk and pound keys).

The outside would look like any desktop or wall mounted phone from the 1950s to the 1990s.

Inside it would work on cell phone technology.

It would even plug in, but instead of plugging into a phone jack in the wall, it would plug into a standard electrical outlet, to keep the phone charged 24/7.

The user would never even have to know it was a cell phone.

patfrederick

she had and loved her portable phone. she could slip that into her bag on the her walker and go from room to room and have access to a phone. it was just the cell phone she hated and refused to learn to use. it did too much, imo.

Valerie Curren

 🙏  hugs  🙏 

patfrederick

hugs back to you!

Valerie Curren

Thanks, I needed that!

pgroup2

Your description of the family ganging up on you had a familiar ring to it. I was the black sheep of my family, as apparently you were in yours. I think that’s why we feel at home here in the Q-tree.

Real family that functions properly.

The waiting room for Heaven. Gives us an idea of how it’ll be.

 😍 

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patfrederick

I was a classic middle child, not Daddy’s little girl or Mom’s baby boy, always overachieving to get some of the attention. But ultimately the “spare” one. I was at peace with all that till recent events.
but i do feel at home on the Q tree.

mollypitcher5

Well that’s some @#$&% !
Sorry to read it and glad you’ve made contact.
I’ll be thinkig of you and praying that it works out for her but that said..sheesh I’m steamed about it for you..
Sending some love

patfrederick

thanks Molly! I appreciate it!!

scott467

There you are, Molly!

Seems like I haven’t seen you very much recently.

scott467

but that said..sheesh I’m steamed about it for you..

___________

I was getting angry reading it too.

Valerie Curren

Black Sheep being guarded by an Amazing Alpha Wolf!!!

Aubergine

Yeah, I was definitely the black sheep. I have actually been disowned and disinherited by my parents. True story.

Valerie Curren

Their extreme loss  😡  so sorry they did that to You!  😥 

Being disinherited happened to Hubby’s mom too but thankfully she found the Lord later AND Much Greater Riches!

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Aubergine

I guess it’s sad, but I am truly better off. You wouldn’t believe some of the stories I could tell about my family.

Valerie Curren

Well they did help shape you into the amazing person you are now but perhaps via a ceaseless school of hard knocks process–yikes!

It sounds like lots of Q-Treepers come from significant family dysfunction. Thankfully many of us have found the Lord in spite of, or is it because of, what we endured at home…& abroad 😉

scott467

Me too 👍

kalbokalbs

Thankfully you’re connecting with mom again. I do hope Mom is healthy, comfortable with her new place, and folks there friendly.

Horrible, what you’ve gone through. So sorry to read of these events.

I do hope this weekend visit, is filled with good news, peace and comfort for all. And Mom’s health has improved

Best wishes Pat.

patfrederick

thanks kal, I appreciate that.

Valerie Curren

Amen on all of that!

Aubergine

Wow. Just wow. I think somebody needs to bitchslap your brother into next week. That is unbelievable. How can people be so awful?

Thank God you are going to get to see your Mom. I hope she is ok.

patfrederick

before my father passed he asked me to make peace with my brother. we hadn’t spoken for years before that. I told him i don’t know what I’ve done and apparently Mom knows, but refuses to tell me. That was almost 15 years ago.
we only speak thru my SIL.

Aubergine

I am sorry. That is sad.

I don’t speak to my sister, or my parents, and haven’t for thirty years. I was the blackest of black sheep. My grandparents loved me dearly, though, thank God.

patfrederick

the saddest part, for me is not knowing what I’ve done. I am a firm believer in forgiveness and I will definitely apologize for things I’ve done wrong. but not knowing makes that impossible.
I asked my mom to talk to him and specifically find out what i’ve done, so I can apologize and the fact that she knows and won’t tell me is maddening.

Valerie Curren

That is So Frustrating. I hope things are OK between you & your mom at least…

patfrederick

mom is 86 and the new facility specializes in memory care. it’s hard to hold things against her which she may not remember.

Valerie Curren

That’s a good point.

When my mom was dying my son Brandon, who was in the room with her but talking with me on his cell phone while I was in another hospital with Josiah, gave me some time to say goodbye to my mom over the phone (no idea if she had any awareness). I ended up wanting to clear the air if there were any lingering issues between us & told her that I had forgiven her & hoped that she had forgiven me for any hurts over the years. I wanted her to know (if that were even possible in her then state) that I wanted her to enter Heaven completely unencumbered by any burdens from this life, including possible emotional baggage. It was pretty surreal to have that one sided conversation in a public place with tears streaming down my face as people passed by to & from the elevators.

I sat for some time in a similar elevator alcove today when they’d taken Josiah back for his procedure & wondered if that might trigger any of those painful memories, but thankfully it did not.

I’ve been making my way “past” some of the historical issues with my parents. As they were aging & dealing with various types of decline I really didn’t want my potentially narcissistic baggage to weigh us down or taint our interactions. With God’s help I’ve been able to lay down a lot of those historic hurts & try to treat my parents with love & grace.

Like you said, they are basically too old to change & I need to be able to accept them where & how they are/were. It was/is a very imperfect process but God’s Grace is Sufficient!

Aubergine

The fact that no one will tell you what you did tells me something. I suspect that it is some imagined slight or issue that isn’t something you could or even should apologize for. I could be wrong, of course. I’m sorry, because either way, that sucks.

patfrederick

I have my suspicion. i believe the “slight” was cause by my mother not telling me something she should have. it’s a long story, but had I known, I would have been somewhere important and that’s what i think my brother holds against me. she doesn’t want to admit her role in it. but that’s only my suspicion.

Aubergine

Well, I hope it all works its way out for the best.

patfrederick

thanks, we’ll see what happens this weekend.

Valerie Curren

That makes sense but is also so sad that she could sit by while a decade & a half rift tears your relationship with your brother apart. Dude sounds like he’s got permanent PMS  😮 

patfrederick

he was always a mama’s boy. his second wife is older than my husband–12 yrs older than my brother. he wanted another mom to take care of him. there i said it.

Valerie Curren

That explains A Lot LOL

He needs to grow up & grow a set!!!

patfrederick

agreed. but ain’t ever gonna happen.

Valerie Curren

 😂   😂   😂 

patfrederick

it’s good you had them!!

Valerie Curren

Amen! Glad you have your hubby though, he’s always on your side 🙂

Valerie Curren

I’m so sorry A. Would that you all were able to reconcile somehow. Do any of them know the Lord Genuinely?

Aubergine

They go to church, but who can know anyone’s heart?

Valerie Curren

Yes only God knows…

Valerie Curren

That is so incredibly sad. I’m so sorry for these sorrows  😭 

Firefly

Prayers for you and yours! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Valerie Curren

Thanks much Firefly–Blessings!

scott467

I hope Josiah, your Dad and Rose all have everything go well tomorrow. Keeping you in my prayers. Try to get some rest if you can!

Valerie Curren

Thanks Scott….working on rest, sort of 🙂

kalbokalbs

Best wishes and prayers to all Valerie.

Valerie Curren

Thanks KBK, much appreciated 🙂

Aubergine

pantochronometer

Now you’ve done it; I want one!

barkerjim

https://criticallythinking.substack.com/p/scientists-lying-about-science-iii

This is Part 3 of the discussion of my view of the corrupting influence that the National Academies of Sciences (NAS) has on America. See Part 1 & Part 2.

barkerjim

WP just made me logout and in again.

Valerie Curren

I’m still logged in via WP on my laptop since before you made all those changes. Using Brave browser & reloading pages after shutdowns or restarts has still allowed me access, from home, at least…fwiw…

barkerjim

two days. (am Saturday)

Firefly

  :wpds_evil:   :wpds_mad: 

kalbokalbs

Past week or so. Every few days, WP logs me out or quits working normal. Uneventful log and all is well.

pgroup2

WordPiss logs me out daily for over a year.

I have to login in order to see the black bar.

Barb Meier

I’m on an iMac browsing with Safari and hate to mention that WP is not logging me out at all for the last year. Do I smell a nearby jinx?

Firefly

Use Brave nightly, leave app on at all times. Only need to log in once in a while

barkerjim

I do the same, something has changed recently.

barkerjim

kalbokalbs

Dumrats are going to go high order on this.

Mail in ballots AND voting machines, ensure Dumrat victories.

Dumrats can NOT prevail in a fair vote.

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Valerie Curren

Dumrats can NOT prevail in a fair vote.” fify 😉

TheseTruths

Fantastic! 👏 He’s going to get massive pushback re: the states being agents of the federal government in these matters. It will be interesting to watch.

kalbokalbs

DOJ for the win. After endless appeals, over rule….until SC says, vote in person. Paper ballots, no machines.

scott467

“…and also, while we’re at it, Highly “Inaccurate,” Very Expensive, and Seriously Controversial VOTING MACHINES,”

____________

I believe you mean cheating machines, Mr. President.

duchess01

Angry Voters TRASH Migrant Shelter… ‘Forcibly Deporting’ Every Single Illegal

CASH JORDAN

scott467

The entire invasion is obviously orchestrated by the government, a grotesque treason shoved in the faces of the People, which means the government ought to be overthrown and the facilitators made to do the Mussolini dance.

Especially the monarchy that hides behind their puppet governments of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and who knows how many others.

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scott467

Keir Starmer: “We’ve had free speech for a very long time here.”

_____________

Well you certainly don’t have it now, you treasonous jackass.

You can lie to yourself all you want, but don’t lie to me.

PAVACA

Yours Truly will again state:
BURN IT DOWN.
THE FDA IS EXPECTED TO “FULLY APPROVE” THE MODERNA CMV modRNA “VACCINE”, mRNA-1647.

This modRNA “vaccine” will be given to PREGNANT WOMEN and to NEWBORNS.
This modRNA “vaccine” has 6 mRNA sequences and TWO different antigens.
This modRNA “vaccine” has AT LEAST ONE lipid nanoparticle — SM-102, the SAME one that is used in the company’s modRNA COVID-19 “vaccine”, SPIKEVAX (mRNA-1273) — for “delivery of the payload.”

Right now, this modRNA “vaccine” is entering Phase 3 “clinical trials.”

Yours Truly found the study which confirms that the injection dose (to be given THREE times during the trial) to study participants is the 100mcg dose. 100mcg is a huge amount. Here is the study:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10677300
“2892. Safety and immunogenicity of mRNA-1647, and mRNA-based Cytomegalovirus Vaccine in Healthy Adults: Results of a Phase 2, Randomized, Observer-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Dose-Finding Trial”
Lori Panther, et al.
27 November 2023
Yours Truly: The authors of this paper ARE ALL EMPLOYEES OF MODERNA.
Here is the Conclusion from the paper:

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Here is the paper that describes the mRNA sequences and antigens for mRNA-1647:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11019844/
“Characterization of humoral and cellular responses to an mRNA-based human cytomegalovirus vaccine from a phase 1 trial of healthy adults”H
25 March 2024
Lori Panther, et al.
Yours Truly: Again, ALL of the authors of this paper are employees of MODERNA.

Here is the Clinical Trials study page:
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05085366
Click on “Researcher View” and scroll down to “Study Arms.”
Study participants will get injected on Day 1, Day 57, and Day 169.
THE “ESTIMATED STUDY COMPLETION DATE” IS NOT UNTIL 30 APRIL 2028.

WHY ON GOD’S EARTH WOULD THE FDA CONSIDER “APPROVING” THIS “VACCINE”?
WHY IS THIS GOING ON AFTER HHS SEC. RFK, JR., STOPPED mRNA ‘VACCINE” DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTS? IS THE MODERNA mRNA-1647 ONE OF THE ONES THAT WERE “GRANDFATHERED IN”?

Sasha Latypova takes the situation apart, here:
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/the-public-health-death-cult-continues
“The death cult continues hunting pregnant women and newborns. Moderna’s CMV vaccine will be approved soon.”
18 August 2025

A press release discussing the 6 mRNA sequences and 2 antigens in mRNA-1647:
https://www.flagshippioneering.com/news/press-release/moderna-announces-positive-interim-results-from-phase-1-cytomegalovirus-cmv-vaccine-mrna-1647-study-and-progress-toward-phase-2-and-pivotal-trials
12 September 2019

Here is a paper which states that mRNA-1647 contains SM-102:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-022-01294-2
“The clinical progress of mRNA vaccines and immunotherapies”
Ann J. Barbier, et al.

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Valerie Curren

Demons!   :wpds_mad: 

PAVACA

Wolf Moon
If one is reading the above papers correctly — the other piece of important information regarding mRNA-1647 is that it apparently specifically targets the IgG immune system of the body, essentially “dysfunctioning” much of it, along with targeting CD4 – CD8 cells.

wowohwow1528

Thank you PAVACA I’m sharing this with my sons and family.
God bless you for sharing this.

duchess01
scott467

When did Monica Crowley (1:36:40) become a door greeter at the WH?

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duchess01

8.18.25: The PARTY of HATE, EVIL and SATAN. The DEM party is DEAD, Rescue MISSION, PEACE, Pray!

And We Know

https://rumble.com/v6xr0vu-8.18.25-the-party-of-hate-evil-and-satan.-the-dem-party-is-dead-rescue-miss.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a

bakocarl

Order in the Tree
 
In the vast web sprawl where voices collide,
QTree’s open square is where thoughts reside.
Yet freedom’s expanse, though vibrant and wide,
Demands tempered order to serve as its guide.
 
For QTree to be civilized, a structure must stand,
Like a trellis for vines in a gardener’s hand.
Not a cage to confine, but a frame to sustain,
Where ideas can flourish, unmarred by disdain.
 
Post with purpose, let clarity reign,
Craft words with intent, let truth be your aim.
Engage with respect, though views may diverge,
Seek dialogue’s spark, not a venomous surge.
 
No trolling’s cruel jest, no venomous spite,
No slurs that degrade in the cover of night.
No spamming with noise, no bots to deceive,
No threats that make readers too fearful to weave.
 
When venom unchecked poisons posts line by line,
QTree’s heart grows heavy, its spirit declines.
Trolls stir up chaos, their barbs sharp as knives,
Driving voices away, stifling vibrant lives.
 
Spam clogs the channels, like weeds in a stream,
Drowning out discourse, obscuring the dream.
Threats cast a shadow, a chilling effect,
Silencing courage, eroding respect.
 
QTree left to ruin, where rancor holds sway,
Becomes but a ghost town, where none dare to stay.
The spark of ideas, once bright, fades to gray,
As trust in the commons dissolves in dismay.
 
Yet order, well-wrought, brings a bountiful yield,
A space where all voices can grow and be healed.
When rules curb the chaos, yet freedom’s upheld,
QTree blooms with insights, by wisdom propelled.
 
Ban the bots, mute the hate, let the trolls find no home,
And watch vibrant discourse rise up like a poem.
Moderation with fairness, transparent and kind,
Fosters trust and ensures every voice is enshrined.
 
Oh, QTree denizens, let’s cherish this space,
A haven for thought in our shared human race.
With order as guardian, our words can take flight,
Defending free speech as our beacon of light.
 
For a QTree that’s civil, where minds freely meet,
Is a pillar of freedom, its value complete.
So nurture the QTree, let’s hold it with care,
For the strength of our voices will thrive in its air.

gil00

Ty bakoCarl!

TradeBait2

This is terrific. 👍

Valerie Curren

  💔  

TradeBait2

Another day goes by with the Federal Reserve screwing over We the People.

May they get what is due them soon.

Brave and Free

Finally watched the Sidney AI video above, that’s great 😁.

pgroup2

Lame Cherry sometimes has the best anecdotes:

In Operation Torch, Marshall picked that old warhorse Patton to carry out the mission.

Patton told him it would not work as he needed more.

Marshall cut orders that sent Patton back to the base in California.

Three days later, Patton sent a telegram to Marshall.

I have thought over that stupid plan and I can make it work.

Marshall read the telegram, grinned and said to his aide, “That is how you handle General Patton”.

kalbokalbs

Multiple studies show ivermectin blocks viral entry into host cell nucleus via the IMPα/β1 transport system.

Nuclear entry is a critical step in the life cycle of numerous viruses, including flu. Ivermectin works well on many viruses, not just Covid.

TradeBait2
scott467

duchess01

EVENING PRAYERS

Gratitude Prayers

Prayer of Daily Thanks

Heavenly Father, as the sun sets, I want to pause and say thank You. For the little things like a warm cup of tea to the big things like my family’s laughter, I’m grateful. Each moment of this day has been a gift, and I thank You for the blessings, both seen and unseen. Let my sleep be a thank you, my dreams be praise, and my night whispers echo with gratitude. Amen.

A Prayer for the Gifts of Life

Dear Lord, under the evening sky, I come before You filled with appreciation. For the breath in my lungs, the food on my table, and the love in my home, I am truly thankful. Help me to always notice the countless gifts You provide and to never take them for granted. I rest in Your care, grateful for today and hopeful for tomorrow. Amen.

Thanksgiving for Enduring Love

Gracious God, as I lay down tonight, I reflect on Your unending love and care. Thank you for guiding me through this day, for the smiles shared, and for the kindness I received. Your love is a constant in a world that often changes, and for this steadfast love, I give You thanks. As I close my eyes, I feel the peace of a grateful heart. Amen.

Evening Gratitude for Strength and Guidance

Lord of all comfort, I am thankful tonight, not just for the good but also for the strength You gave me in challenging moments. Thank you for the wisdom in decisions and the courage in facing my fears. Your guidance is a lantern to my feet. As the stars appear, I thank You for lighting my path today and every day. Amen.

Sunset Thanks for Life’s Journey

Almighty Creator, every sunset reminds me of Your glory and the journey You’ve laid out for me. I am grateful for the paths I’ve walked today, the lessons learned, and the growth experienced. Thank You for being my compass and my companion. As the night unfolds, I count my blessings, and atop the list is Your unwavering presence in my life. Amen.

https://enlightio.com/evening-prayers-for-today

scott467

From today’s C&C:

Jeff Childers: “Bronx Representative Ritchie Torres, a gay Afro-Latino, told the Times, “We as Democrats should be careful not to cede the issue of public safety to Donald Trump and Republicans.” He added, almost wistfully, without a hint of irony or self-awareness: “We should own the issue of public safety, because it matters to voters.” ”

_______________

That ship sailed at least a decade ago, maybe three.

These people’s minds are completely GONE… 😂🤣😂

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TheseTruths

That’s what I was thinking. It’s WAY too late for them to pretend they care about safety. I can’t think of one area where Dems actually protect people or work to prevent crime.

gil00

scott467

So… apparently she’s an AG… 🙄

‘But I’m an AG!’

‘But I’m above the law!’

‘But I’m not accountable for my actions!’

It’s always the same.

And her little AG sidekick, “She’s a f-ing lawyer.”

And now, here come the tears… she was so tough, and mouthy too… right up until she started crying. With her submissive beta boi helpfully reassuring her “I’m right here, I’m right here. I’m right here, I’m right here. I’m right here, I’m right here.”

Strong, brave, independent woman, as she’s being stuffed in a cop car: “Babe, No!”

Beta boi: “I’m right here, I’m right here.” 😂

Strong, brave independent woman to the cops: “Don’t touch me!” 🤣 (a timeless classic!)

And don’t forget, the other one is an AG. “I’m an AG! I’m an AG! I’m an AG!

It doesn’t look like either one of them were very happy about how this turned out… 😂🤣😂

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gil00

Im wondering if she’ll be held to acct at work or celebrated. At least the cop dgaf.

scott467

“Im wondering if she’ll be held to acct at work or celebrated.”

___________

Celebrated, tolerated, excused, anything except held accountable, always.

If it was any other way, she would never have become the person everyone witnessed in the video. Neither of them would have.

It couldn’t happen.

What everyone witnessed there was the result of a lifetime of entitlement, of privilege, of protected-class status.

Those were two unruly children who never had to grow up, because excuses and accommodations have always been made for them.

They are emotionally and developmentally stunted human beings who have been allowed and encouraged, by society, to prioritize the worst aspects of their personalities.

And then we call them ’empowered’.

We see the exact same behavior, for the exact same reasons, with the clear majority of black people.

The only difference is that the majority of black people, male and female, are far more violent.

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gil00

And the d.a. and her friend feel even more entitled as they grant privilege socially and in court to the latter.
Id really like to get out in the world more but there are peopke of these mental varieties everywhere.

scott467

The secret to getting an uncooperative AG sidekick into the back seat of a patrol car is to go around the other side, open the door, grab hair, and pull.

When the door by her feet is closed, shove head forward, and slam door.

Ta-da!

Works every time.

gil00

Deranged woman arrested after threatening to ‘sacrificially kill’ President Trump in unhinged social media posts

A deranged woman was hit with federal charges Monday after threatening to kill President Trump in a disturbing social media post and subsequent interview with the Secret Service.

Nathalie Rose Jones, 50, was arrested on Saturday after she made the threats on Facebook and Instagram and then traveled from New York to Washington, DC, with the goal of having Trump “eliminated” if the opportunity presented itself, DC US Attorney Jeanine Pirro said Monday.

“I am willing to sacrificially kill this POTUS by disemboweling him and cutting out his trachea with Liz Cheney and all The Affirmation present,” Jones allegedly wrote in an Aug. 6 Facebook post directed at the FBI, according to prosecutors.

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https://nypost.com/2025/08/18/us-news/woman-arrested-after-threatening-to-sacrificially-kill-trump-in-unhinged-social-media-posts/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost

scott467

The closing of insane asylums has inflicted enormous damage on the rest of society.

Valerie Curren

BQQM!

fwiw back when I worked on the locked psych ward of a hospital the unit communicator used to joke that the only difference between staff & patients was that staff had keys!

gil00

You know i just started reading hallowe’en party by agatha christie. In discussion of the murderer they discuss this then and how the nuts are just let out to live their life, until they end another. It was published in 1969.

pgroup2

It’s leftist menopause.  😮 

Valerie Curren

leftists paused Real Men ages ago!

TheseTruths

“Department of Homeland Security knows I have to defend my AARP patients…”

Delusional⁉️

TheseTruths

She looks normal in her photo: groomed, normal hair color, no nose rings or face tattoos. She looks as if she COULD be a professional.

gil00

Awfully old to be having such a mental issue. Off her meds?

duchess01

[HRC][JB][JC] Sends Message, Trump Is Now Cutting The [DS] Strings, The Stage Must Be Set – Ep. 3711
 August 18, 2025  x22report

https://x22report.com/hrcjbjc-sends-message-trump-is-now-cutting-the-ds-strings-the-stage-must-be-set-ep-3711/

The green new scam in the US has ended, it was never going to save the environment, now the rest of the world will follow. Newsom folds on oil, the rest of the country is moving in a different direction which means the people of Ca would see the difference in fuel prices. Trump is about to unleash energy, energy is the key for a strong economy. The [DS] is now panicking over Ukraine, Trump has called the EU installed leaders and installed Zelensky to the WH. Zelensky and the EU are in a weak position, peace is coming, strings will be cut and the war machine will be dismantled, think NATO. [HRC][JB][JC] send messages to their sleepers. They are preparing to stop Trump, this will fail just like everything else. The stage must be set to bring down the entire corrupt system.

Ep 3711a – Newsom Folds, Energy Is The Key To The Economy, Now The [CB] Loses
https://x22report.com/aiovg_videos/ep-3711a-newsom-folds-energy-is-the-key-to-the-economy-now-the-cb-loses/

EP 3711b – HAS NOT BEEN UPLOADED YET !!!

kalbokalbs

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

I had a very good meeting with distinguished guests, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, President Emmanuel Macron, of France, President Alexander Stubb, of Finland, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, of Italy, Prime Minister Keir Starmer, of the United Kingdom, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Friedrich Merz, President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, and Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, in the White House, which ended in a further meeting in the Oval Office. During the meeting we discussed Security Guarantees for Ukraine, which Guarantees would be provided by the various European Countries, with a coordination with the United States of America. Everyone is very happy about the possibility of PEACE for Russia/Ukraine. At the conclusion of the meetings, I called President Putin, and began the arrangements for a meeting, at a location to be determined, between President Putin and President Zelenskyy. After that meeting takes place, we will have a Trilat, which would be the two Presidents, plus myself. Again, this was a very good, early step for a War that has been going on for almost four years. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, are coordinating with Russia and Ukraine. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115052030103944534

kalbokalbs

US Cancels Scheduled Trade Talks with India Amid Escalating Tariff Tensions
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/08/us-cancels-scheduled-trade-talks-india-amid-escalating/

para59r

Tarriffs not do to go into effect until 27 August. Assumes this means Trump is satisfied with a wait and see effort first before applying more pressure.

kalbokalbs

Slow Guy has ZERO interest in guaranteeing anything for Ukraine. EU owns the problem.

No security guarantees or additional aid to Ukraine

If Zelensky asks, Trump should offer to send the DNC cavalry

gil00

I agree. I think the little puppet only repeats security guarantees bc a. It keeps the DS in charge there and b. He needs to be able to skim financial “guarantees.”
The man is killing his own people and thinks we desire to keep him in power?

para59r

Likes the time stamp on that Trump post.  👍 

kalbokalbs

Ditto. What He Said.

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para59r

Hundreds of Thousands of Protesters Gather in Tel Aviv to Demand End to Gaza War

Israel Plans to Move Hundreds of Thousands of Palestinians From Gaza (to war torn Sudan, aka lowest bidder)

para59r

Bottom post expanded.

Why #Israel erupts in protest: hostages, stalled peace & political survival
Massive protests demanding Netanyahu’s resignation and a peace deal are rocking Israeli cities. Thousands in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, and Beersheba have blocked highways, paralyzing traffic.
The core demand: secure the release of Israeli hostages still held in Gaza and end the fighting
Protesters accuse the government of inaction. Yet, even widespread strikes and closures may fail to pressure Netanyahu
https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f50d.svg A key obstacle?
Ultra-Orthodox factions within his coalition see prolonging the war as crucial to retaining power amid political crisis.

scott467

The core demand: secure the release of Israeli hostages still held in Gaza and end the fighting

____________

That’s an excellent demand.

How do they propose doing that, considering that the Gazans, who have the hostages, don’t share their desire to set the hostages free?

scott467

If only the bleeding hearts cared as much about the hostages.

Or even a little.

It’s really sad.

para59r

Of course
Grok how many have been returned alive and how many died and how many are still kept

Based on available information, here is the status of the 251 people taken hostage from Israel to the Gaza Strip by Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups on October 7, 2023:

  • Returned Alive: 148 hostages have been returned alive to Israel as of June 23, 2025. This includes:
  • 105 released during the 2023 Gaza war ceasefire.
  • 5 released by Hamas outside any ceasefire agreement.
  • 8 rescued by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
  • 30 released during the 2025 Gaza war ceasefire.
  • Died: At least 75 hostages were killed, either on October 7, 2023, or in Hamas captivity. Additionally:
  • The bodies of 56 hostages have been repatriated to Israel, including 3 killed by friendly fire and 45 recovered through military operations.
  • 8 bodies were returned as part of the 2025 prisoner exchange deal.
  • Israeli authorities estimate at least 27 of the remaining hostages are dead, based on intelligence.
  • Still Kept: As of June 23, 2025, 50 hostages remain in captivity in the Gaza Strip, including 49 abducted on October 7, 2023, and 1 captured earlier. Of these, at least 27 are believed to be dead, leaving approximately 23 presumed alive.

Vs / Extract from spoiler.

The 60,000 dead figure from the MoH is a conservative, verified count of direct deaths but misses unrecovered bodies and indirect deaths. Independent studies suggest a toll closer to 80,000–100,000 by early 2025, with robust methodologies but limited access. Estimates of 400,000–500,000 are outliers, driven by speculative indirect death ratios and lack granular data, making them less reliable. The true toll likely lies between the MoH’s undercount and the lower end of independent estimates, around 80,000–150,000, with indirect deaths remaining a significant but uncertain factor. For a definitive count, unrestricted access for researchers and journalists would be needed, which is currently blocked by the conflict.

Since various intel reports were collected before 7 October 2023 that allege reports were made that between 200 to 250 hostages were to be taken in the raid. Something alleged by Egypt and Israeli military whistle blowers. Additionally intel observers reported full scale reherasls the days just before the raid. Additionally, an order not to conduct patrols was issued at 5AM instructing patrolling unit not to start patrols until 9AM. The raid happened at 7AM. Additionally there was a 7 hour stand down before the IDF started to respond to the raid, with the exception of a few units close to the area. Additionally the Hannibal Directive was issued that instructed military to disregard civilian causalities while striking at Hamas. Additionally Isreal knew they were paying for tunnels and appox 50,000 truck loads of supplies were sent in to Gaza years before. Additionally 1.4 Billion was paid to Qatar to be smuggled into Gaza to pay for Hamas and fend off the West Bank Palestinians from involving themselves in Gaza’s elections.

None of these allegations have received a fair and formal look and such is not expected to happen until Bibi is out of power.

kalbokalbs

Winning.

TradeBait2
kalbokalbs

Interesting perspective.

Humanity is splitting…those who can think for themselves and those of the hive mind or on the establishment frequency download.

AI is accelerating this split.

What a time to be alive.

para59r

Dang! Supply of lab meat is going to go down.

scott467

That’s a good-looking flat-line 👍😁

kalbokalbs

Another interesting nugget.

I am proud to announce I have accepted the role of Co-Deputy Director of the FBI.

I extend my thanks to @POTUS and @AGPamBondi for the opportunity to serve in the mission to Make America Safe Again. 

I will protect America and uphold the Constitution.

para59r

So what’s this mean concerning Bongino?

gil00

I think so. And bongino is unfortunately going to end up as an asst here. He’will do everything but the heavy lifting, for a whole. Until or unless egos getbin the way.

gil00

The Missouri d.a. does not seem the golden boi fed boi type. I am hopeful.

TradeBait2

Yes – one for operations, one for the legal/courts.

The need is massive and Bailey is excellent.

Aubergine

I don’t think so.

I said when the Epstein thing exploded that Dan would be out the door when he could do so without damaging Trump. I think this is step one, and we will see him leave sooner than later.

Dan had an agenda going in, to do some clean up of things that mattered to his audience. It went sideways because of Blondi. One of those things was Epstein, and we see where that went. The other was the Jan 6 pipe bomber; seen anything about that, at all? Nope.

I could be wrong, I always allow for that possibility. I’ll eat crow if Dan makes it until Christmas. Dan is a young guy. I’m sure he’d like to resume his career at some point. If too many of his audience are disheartened and alienated, that can’t happen. We’ll see.

kalbokalbs

No idea when Dan bails. If he bails while Trump is in office.

Dan will not be able to resurrect his show.

Aubergine

That’s my point. He won’t “bail.” If that’s how he was going to go, he would have done it already.

He will ease his way out the door without harming Trump. That’s what I think. There will be some “reasonable” excuse for his leaving.

I don’t know how much you ever listened to Dan on radio, but even I, who only listened in the car going to and fro on errands, heard enough to know that if he stays in the admin and nothing is done about a couple of BIG things, Dan’s credibility with his audience is shot. Epstein in one, but bigger than that is the pipe bomber. DAn said it was the “biggest scandal in American history.

Dan either a) KNEW THINGS about it that he couldn’t say when he was on the radio; or b) LIED about knowing things about it; or c) had very bad sources, and really played up something that turned out to be wrong.

If he knew things, then he should be able in his current position to DO SOMETHING about what he knew. Barring that, he should come clean and tell people his sources sucked, he was suckered, and there’s nothing there.

If he stays on with the FBI and the above is never addressed, his career on radio is over.

kalbokalbs

Agree.

IMO. Bail or ease out, interchangeable in Dan’s case.

kalbokalbs

FauXi and his ilk must be brought to justice.

Those children born of past-vaccination mothers, despite never having been vaccinated themselves, and despite never having had Covid…

are dying now at 77% excess – a 24 sigma event.

TradeBait2

Oh my.

This is accelerating world wide.

Yet, crickets on arrests.

Aubergine

We are headed for civilizational collapse. Which honestly may not be a bad thing, in my humble opinion. Civilization is destroying human connection.

kalbokalbs

Coincidence, I’m sure.

#BREAKING: A massive explosion has occurred on a cargo ship near the Key Bridge in Baltimore Harbor

At this time, numerous emergency crews are responding to a cargo ship fire in the Baltimore Harbor on Chesapeake Bay, according to Maryland officials. The Baltimore City Fire Department reported that the ship caught fire in the Patapsco River near the site of the Key Bridge collapse While initial reports described it as an explosion, officials clarified that the incident involved an under-deck fire that sent smoke billowing into the air. The fire has since been contained, and the vessel is being removed from the channel. The cause of the fire remains under investigation.

Aubergine

Whatcha want to bet there’s an electric car involved?

para59r

Did we ever get a final report on the last Key Bridge incident?
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para59r

Seem more strange. Headed for the Indian Ocean.

Grok, the cargo ship that just exploded near the Key Bridge, where was it headed, what freight was it carrying and what was it’s name. Were any electric cars involved?

The cargo ship involved in the incident near the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore Harbor on August 18, 2025, was the MV W Sapphire, a Liberian-flagged bulk carrier. It was headed to Port Louis, Mauritius, and was carrying a load of coal. The fire, which some reports describe as an explosion, occurred around 6:28 p.m. and was captured on video showing a large fireball and heavy smoke. The Baltimore City Fire Department and U.S. Coast Guard responded, and the fire was contained with no injuries reported among the 23 crew members. The ship was moved to a designated anchorage area for investigation.

There is no evidence from available reports that electric cars or their lithium-ion batteries were involved in this incident. The cargo was explicitly identified as coal, and no mentions of electric vehicles or related materials were noted in connection with the MV W Sapphire fire.

TradeBait2

Probably too late for most to catch this one. But this is what PDT is referring to for local power generation with industrial and special projects. Picture this happening throughout the country where resources permit and demand exists. It is the future of our “grid” going forward.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/18/google-kairos-nuclear-smr-tennessee-valley-authority-tva-data-center-ai.html

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kalbokalbs

Good news!
Poll: Trump Approval Surges to 54 Percent After Meeting with Putin
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/08/18/poll-trump-approval-surges-to-54-after-meeting-with-putin/

gil00

 🚨 

Someone leaving? Somethings wrong.

Missouri AG Andrew Bailey stepping down to become FBI co-deputy director

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey, a Republican who has been an ardent backer of President Donald Trump, said Monday that he is resigning to take a leadership position at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.The move is the latest in a series of changes at the FBI under Director Kash Patel. Numerous senior officials, including top agents in charge of big-city field offices, have been pushed out of their jobs, and Justice Department officials have sought the names of agents who participated in investigations related to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the US Capitol.Bailey said he is stepping down effective Sept. 8 to serve as the FBI’s co-deputy director, alongside Dan Bongino. Missouri Gov. Mike Kehoe is to announce a new appointee as attorney general on Tuesday.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/18/us-news/missouri-ag-andrew-bailey-stepping-down-to-become-fbi-co-deputy-director/

gil00

One can only be spread so thin. If “it” really is close to habbenin, they cant leave any exposure or weakness anywhere.

gil00

Weve been getting lots of signal. Im wondering if a lot of the ice raids are targeting the cartel leaders for the ds imported army prior to the BIG ONE . The ones who owe thousands to the cartels for being smuggled that have no choice? Taking them mixed in w general illegal population. Getting all the nat guard in d.c. is interesting also. I think they are clearing every building, every tunnel and doing their own mapping.

kalbokalbs

Either someone leaving OR increasing senior staff. My bet is the latter. DOJ tasking is incredibly high.

gil00

At the moment w all the subpoenas they may need lots of courts, lawyers, and new judges.

kalbokalbs

We’ll see what, if anything comes of this.
Under Military Pressure, Hamas Offers to Accept Old Witkoff Proposal
Hamas reportedly offered to accept a ceasefire proposal first floated by U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff three months ago that would see half of the remaining 20 living Israeli hostages released for a 60-day truce.

As Breitbart News reported in May, the Palestinian terrorist group had initially rejected Witkoff’s proposal, which had been too ambitious even for some Israelis. The details:

Witkoff’s ceasefire proposal calls for the release of 10 living hostages — roughly half of those remaining — as well as the bodies of 18 dead Israeli hostages, in exchange for a 60-day ceasefire, 125 convicted Palestinian terrorists serving life sentences, 1,111 Gaza residents detained during the present conflict, and the resumption of humanitarian aid through the United Nations, i.e. not the new Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF).

Hamas appeared to accept a similar proposal by Egyptian and Qatari mediators on Monday, as Israel prepared to enter Gaza City — the last Hamas stronghold — and as President Donald Trump predicted on Truth Social that Hamas would be destroyed.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/08/18/under-military-pressure-hamas-offers-to-accept-old-witkoff-proposal/

Valerie Curren

That trade off seems extremely unbalanced in favor of the terrorists, not DJT’s style  🙄 

Valerie Curren

Thanks for the clarification–diabolical   :wpds_evil: 

This is why all those movies portray the US not negotiating with terrorists or they’d learn to keep victimizing us so we’d basically let them get away with murder & ceaseless fear & intimidation  😡 

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para59r

Yes, unbalanced. Even with the extremely conservative current death count. What’s that number of hostages again?  🤔 

Israeli attacks, forced starvation have killed 62,000 Palestinians in Gaza

Israel is intensifying attacks on Gaza City, the territory’s largest urban centre, as it plans to seize it.

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Relatives of Palestinians who were killed by the Israeli army targeting them while they were waiting for aid in the Zikim area mourn as the bodies are prepared for burial in Gaza City, Gaza on August 18, 2025 [Saeed MMT Jaras /Anadolu Agency]

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By Al Jazeera Staff

Published On 18 Aug 2025

18 Aug 2025

More than 62,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel in its nearly two-year genocidal war on Gaza, with the population suffering relentless bombardment with nowhere safe in the besieged enclave, Israeli-induced starvation and the daily killing of people desperately seeking food for their families.

Israel is intensifying strikes on Gaza City, the territory’s largest – and now destroyed – urban centre, as it plans to seize it and forcibly displace tens of thousands of people to concentration zones in the south. At least 30 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip since dawn on Monday, including 14 seeking aid.

A medical source has confirmed to Al Jazeera that at least three Palestinians were killed and several others were injured in an Israeli strike on al-Sabra neighbourhood of Gaza City. Local Palestinian outlets reported that journalist Islam al-Koumi was amongst the victims.

Al Jazeera’s Tareq Abu Azzoum, reporting from Deir el-Balah, says, “Israeli attacks are still ongoing, unabated, in the eastern part of Gaza City. The scale of attacks illustrates how Israel’s current strategy is shaping the geography and demography of Gaza.”

“We can see how Israel is using heavy artillery, fighter jets and drones, in order to destroy what’s left of residential homes there. The scale of destruction is extremely overwhelming,” he said.

“This current military tactic ensures that Israel will enable its forces to operate on the ground and will also ensure residential areas turn into zones of rubble. People there say Israeli attacks are happening day and night.”

Many who have already been displaced multiple times during the war by Israeli bombardment are on the move again from Gaza City. Others are staying put.
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The city was the main target of air attacks on Sunday that killed nearly 60 people, and Israel is also targeting the few remaining healthcare centres there.
But while many Palestinians who remain in the devastated city are forced to survive in the ruins of buildings, makeshift shelters, or tents, some people have told Al Jazeera that it would be impossible for them to leave.
“How am I supposed to even get there? How can I go? I need nearly $900 to move – I don’t even have a dollar. How am I supposed to reach the south?” asked displaced Palestinian man Bilal Abu Sitta.

kalbokalbs

https://twitter.com/NicHulscher/status/1957587181238669581

BREAKING: CDC Sued for Pushing Illegal 72-Dose Childhood Vaccine Schedule

CDC accused of running an illegal and unconstitutional hyper-vaccination program — NEVER once tested for cumulative safety https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f447.svg

What the Lawsuit Alleges

Remainder in spoiler.

CDC Sued Pushing 72 Jabs…

BREAKING: CDC Sued for Pushing Illegal 72-Dose Childhood Vaccine Schedule

CDC accused of running an illegal and unconstitutional hyper-vaccination program — NEVER once tested for cumulative safety https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f447.svg

What the Lawsuit Alleges

No cumulative safety testing (despite IOM warnings in 2002 & 2013)

No HHS safety reports to Congress since 1998 (required by law)

Constitutional violations: 1st (silencing docs), 5th (bodily integrity), APA (arbitrary rules)

What Plaintiffs Seek

Reclassify all childhood vaccines to Category B → easier exemptions

Require vaxxed vs. unvaxxed safety studies

Protect doctors who grant individualized exemptions

Filed by Dr. Paul Thomas, Dr. Kenneth Stoller & Stand for Health Freedom — on behalf of families and physicians fighting for science, safety, and constitutional rights.

If successful, this case could dismantle the CDC’s unlawful vaccine regime and restore real medical choice.

Valerie Curren

Let’s go!

para59r

Still cruising these Ed Dowd posts… this one is interesting.
Someone will have to remember to have Steve take a stab at this one so we don’t get any wrong ideas. 😉 

Poster boosted by Dowd is a Vedic Astronomer.

Astronomy has a long history in the Indian subcontinent, stretching from pre-historic to modern times. Some of the earliest roots of Indian astronomy can be dated to the period of Indus Valley civilisation or earlier.[1][2] Astronomy later developed as a discipline of Vedanga, or one of the “auxiliary disciplines” associated with the study of the Vedas[3] dating 1500 BCE or older.[4] The oldest known text is the Vedanga Jyotisha, dated to 1400–1200 BCE (with the extant form possibly from 700 to 600 BCE).[5]

Priyanka

@Astrotherapist1

*Upcoming huge Earthquake and or Tsunami Warning*

You can copy paste, call it fear mongering or business seeking or whatever. I Don’t Care Anymore. I will do what I am meant to do.

One important event I want to talk about today. There is no need to get panicked . Just prepare yourself just in case.

I have been comparing the three dates when major Tsunamis hit us

1. December 26, 2004

2. March 11, 2011

3. September 28,2018

Me… So this lady is showing us a 7yr cycle then  🤔 

I have been studying the Charts of these dates as well as studying charts of the upcoming dates .

I have seen a lot of similarities

A few of which is below

The chart of the coming dates contains multiple recurring themes from the previous tsunami dates:

*Fiery Mars-Ketu conjunction in Leo (often a trigger),*

*Strong watery placements with retro Saturn in Pisces,*

*Moon in a critical nakshatra,*

*and Jupiter in Ardra (a nakshatra of chaos, storms, and flooding).*

So if I see an over all structure, I feel from June 25th to July 31st, there are high chances of a Huge Earthquake and Tsunami coming.

The dates can be a couple of days ahead or later. If you have plans to travel to Eastern countries to India or the Western coast of America, please be careful.

Kamchatka was an 8.9 and is still to this day reeling with 6.0 to 4.0 quakes with 5 to 10 a day. None stop from 29 July when the 8.9 occurred.

para59r

wrong Down post stuck in browser. It will disappear on a page refresh. Until then this should be the right one.

para59r

If you open her post it’s from 13 June.
Interesting time line.

I know the author of the “Arthashastra”, Kautilya (also known as Chanakya who was writing like an inflated Machiavelli back in circa 350 BC did not take much stock in this stuff. Steve would approve.  😎 

TheseTruths

JUST IN: Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey Appointed as Co-Deputy Director of the FBI
According to Wiki:

On August 18, 2025, Attorney General Pam Bondi announced Bailey as Co-Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).[61] Bailey will resign as Missouri Attorney General on September 8, 2025.

Sometime I wish we could clone good people so they could serve in two positions at once.

cthulhu

And he’s tangled with crooked Feds a few times in the courts…..

TheseTruths

Donald J. Trump:

I had a very good meeting with distinguished guests, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, President Emmanuel Macron, of France, President Alexander Stubb, of Finland, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, of Italy, Prime Minister Keir Starmer, of the United Kingdom, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Friedrich Merz, President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, and Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, in the White House, which ended in a further meeting in the Oval Office. During the meeting we discussed Security Guarantees for Ukraine, which Guarantees would be provided by the various European Countries, with a coordination with the United States of America. Everyone is very happy about the possibility of PEACE for Russia/Ukraine. At the conclusion of the meetings, I called President Putin, and began the arrangements for a meeting, at a location to be determined, between President Putin and President Zelenskyy. After that meeting takes place, we will have a Trilat, which would be the two Presidents, plus myself. Again, this was a very good, early step for a War that has been going on for almost four years. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, are coordinating with Russia and Ukraine. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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TheseTruths

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