2025.07.29 Daily Thread – American Stories: When in the Course of human events – Part 22

We continue with our Pennsylvania signers of the Declaration of Independence today. We must first address some massively important questions relating to Pennsylvania before moving on as they have seismic implications. I want your input in response to these important questions in the comments.

First,

Which chain eatery has the best Philly Cheesesteak sandwich?

We all know the locals would trump the chains, but not many of us get the opportunity to partake of the offerings of the locals. That is why this question relates to the chains. What we do know is that there are too many choices and personal likes and dislikes to promote one style over the other. However, that does not stop me from giving my view since I am the author of this story. 😂

That said, I do think ribeye makes for the best taste. I also think the Firehouse Subs version is #1(a) and Jersey Mike’s Big Kahuna is #1(b) for the best chain provider of the ones I have tried. The later uses white American cheese versus provolone with the former. For what it is worth Charleys Philly Steaks wins the #1 pick with nearly all of the reviewers who have tried them. There are just no Charleys anywhere around where I could try one.

So, the next question is which Pennsylvania professional sports team is the most popular?

We know most Pennsylvanians love their sports, especially the professional teams. To answer this I picked one measure which would be to see which had the most web searches conducted on them. The results as provided by a gaming site that did the research a few years ago by checking google searches was as follows (in order): Pittsburgh Steelers (NFL), Philadelphia Eagles (NFL), Pittsburg Penguins (NHL), Pittsburgh Pirates (MLB), Philadelphia Phillies (MLB).

After the Eagles’ Super Bowl appearance in 2024, I suspected that order may have changed with the top two when also considering TV ratings. The margin narrowed, but even based on TV ratings the order remains the same. Perhaps the Eagles victory in the last SB may have put them over the top subject to more current data that I could not find. One thing we can determine with certainty, it appears that Steeler fans and Eagles fans do not cross their self imposed red lines of fandoms.

It was interesting to note that the wretched Pirates, or Rats as MLB Central Division competitor fans call them, as a bad team of late had nearly double the searches over the Phillies organization that made it all the way to the World Series the year the data and article was published. It is also telling that the NBA’s Philadelphia 76ers did not even make the Top 10. So much for the NBA. It died when Michael Jordan retired in my home anyway.

https://www.pennstakes.com/info/pennsylvanias-most-popular-sports-teams

https://www.thesportsgeek.com/blog/nfl-most-watched-2024

Next, what are the Top 15 attractions for visitors in Pennsylvania?

For this one I went to Tripadvisor, which seems like a logical source since people love to talk about and rate where they visit. From the TA site: “…we consider traveler reviews, ratings, number of page views, and user location.” The results were surprising to say the least.

In order: Eastern State Penitentiary (😂), Longwood Gardens (botanical), Independence Hall, Sight & Sound Theaters (Biblical dramatizations), Duquesne Incline (cable car ride), Knoebels Amusement Resort, Reading Terminal Market (food), Gettysburg National Military Park, Phipps Conservatory and Botanical Park, Philadelphia Museum of Art, Fallingwater (Frank Lloyd Wright home/nature), The Amish Farm and House, PNC Park (Pirates), Presque Isle State Park, Strip District (eateries, bars, shops).

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g28959-Activities-Pennsylvania.html

A visit to Eastern State Penitentiary sounds like the most Philadelphia thing evah. Visitors are treated to the former accommodations of Al Capone and death row in a medieval looking, architecturally wondrous House of Pain. Yeah! Now if they could convert it to Pennsylvania’s version of Alligator Alcatraz and permit MAGA supporters to attend departure ceremonies with open viewing of illegals being jettisoned we might be on to something. Many of us would pay reasonable admission fees to attend.

I am going to avoid the currently most popular Pennsylvania celebrity with the next question as it creates recency bias. Besides that I cannot stand Taylor Swift. The question I pose is who are the Top Fifteen greatest Pennsylvanians of all time?

Even Swift was relegated to #100 in the linked listing below. The authors seemed to take their approach a tiny bit more seriously, but alas, also very woke. It is hard to take a list of greats seriously that has Fred Rogers at #3 out of 100, but you know what is said about opinions and azzholes, everybody has one.

My version from the list would go: William Penn, Benjamin Franklin, Dwight Eisenhower, Benjamin Rush, Betsy Ross, John Dickinson, Edgar Allan Poe, Jimmy Stewart, George Westinghouse, George C. Marshall, Milton Hershey, Billie Holiday, Jim Thorpe, Wilt Chamberlain, John Coltrane, Stephen Foster, Johnny Unitas, Arnold Palmer, and… welp, I guess I cannot stop at fifteen. Pretty amazing list of people. I could list nearly fifteen patriots from the independence movement alone. Guess it is time to move on. I left out Andrew Carnegie due to what we know about how his Foundation’s funds were used to weaponize against the interests of We the People.

https://www.pennlive.com/life/2018/06/100_greatest_pennsylvanians.html

Finally, what is the religious composition of Pennsylvania residents?

Short answer – about 7 in 10 are Christians.

https://www.studycountry.com/wiki/what-is-the-most-common-religion-in-pennsylvania

Enough with the fluff, time to move on to the another PA signer of the Declaration.

George Ross, Jr.

The next founding father is often overlooked in the discussions about Declaration signers. A son of Anglican clergy Rev. George Ross, Sr. who had emigrated from Scotland in 1679, George Ross was born in 1730 in New Castle, DE as one of sixteen children of his father who had two wives. The Ross family had a long history in Scotland dating back to the year 1173 with the naming of an ancestor as the Earl of Ross in 1226 as he had great battle victories under King Alexander II. George’s sister, Gertrude, married the son of a prominent judge and politician. Upon the man’s death she married Declaration signer, George Read. Ross Jr. was also the uncle of the man who married Betsy Griscom in 1773. Perhaps you have heard of Betsy Ross?

Just in prominent family relationships alone we see George Ross, George Read and Betsy Ross. There is more acknowledgement of his importance in the patriot past with George Ross, George Washington and Robert Morris being featured on a 3 cent US stamp commemorating Betsy Ross back in 1952.

Ross received a classical education at home through the efforts of his father. He went on to read law at the office of his attorney older brother, John. At the age of 20 he was admitted to the Pennsylvania Bar and opened his practice in Lancaster, PA in 1750. He married Ann Lawler in 1751 and they went on to have three children together; two sons and a daughter. They were of the Episcopal faith and he was a vestryman in St. James Episcopal Church there. They met when she was 19 after she sought his legal advice and she became one of his first clients. It was an unusual event for a young woman to need legal advice in those days, but it appears none of her family were still living. It is possible his expertise was needed as she owned properties there that had probably been passed to her from her deceased father. With their marriage they had considerable combined wealth. She was considered quite beautiful by the town’s residents as were their children. One portrait of her follows,

During those days Ross was a Tory and was appointed as a Crown prosecutor for 12 years in Carlisle until elected into the PA provincial legislature in 1768. Although late to the cause of independence, through his experiences he began to see the difficulties caused by Parliament’s actions against the colonies. He became consumed with support for the independence movement and continued to progress in politics, representing PA in various roles and as a delegate in the General Congress in 1774. Just prior to that his wife passed away unexpectedly in 1773 at the age of 42 . George chose not to remarry.

He became a member of the Committee of Safety the next year in 1775 before being elected into the Continental Congress in 1776. He also served as a Colonel in the Continental Army. Being a benevolent person at heart he was soon tasked with improving relationships and negotiating a peace treaty, the Fort Pitt Treaty, with the northwestern PA located Indians.

Ross was not a member of the Continental Congress when the Declaration was approved. However, he had become one for the state prior to its signing and executed the document. He assisted with procurement and inspection of military supplies until his health turned poor and had to resign. In 1777 he was appointed a judge in the state’s Court of Admiralty (maritime related). He was a strong states’ rights advocate in the law before it became a controversial subject. He returned to serve once again in the Pennsylvania Assembly in 1778.

In 1779 he passed away from the effects of gout at the age of 49. He is buried with other founders in the Christ Church cemetery. Although Ross did not fight in the war due to his health, both of the couple’s sons served with distinction and led exemplary lives along with their sister. Ann, one son (George), and their daughter (Mary) are buried in St. James Episcopal Church Cemetery in Lancaster with other family members.

George Ross, Jr. went about his duties to God, country and family resolutely and well. We salute him as an important founding patriot of our great nation.

Please remember Wolf’s rules for our community. In general that means to be respectful to each other and to pull no shenanigans that your mom might find offensive or otherwise cause jail time. That said, free speech is honored here.

Be blessed and go make something good happen!

Dear KMAG: 20250728 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic ❀ Pesticides as the Depop Backup – Is Your Neighborhood Next?


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


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Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.

Well, it looks like we did. GOOD!!!


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

yird

noun, verb

  • earth, sod, soil, topsoil, loam, etc.
  • ground
  • to bury
  • to inter

Used in a sentence

The yird in the yard ain’t no place to yird your momma, but it will work for the old squirrel killed by pesticides.

Used in the title of a homemade horror movie

Used in a poem


MUSIC!

The Yirdbards! Whoops, I mean the Yardbirds!


THE STUFF

TL;DR- Bug sprays are the new vax, and you are the bugs they want to control.

It’s time to start talking about pesticides and depopulation. I will explain why in a few minutes.

Begin with this old video.

Robert Malone just re-blogged a really excellent article on MAHA and pesticides, and it is very helpful background for what I want to talk about. Please check it out.

TL;DR- The first step in going full vax, is getting vax-level legal protection.


Will Congress give the pesticide industry a de facto liability shield?

Guest essay by Dr. Meryl Nass, exclusive to Malone.News

Robert W Malone MD, MS

Jul 22, 2025

Dr. Meryl Nass, Exclusive to Malone.News

LINK: https://www.malone.news/p/will-congress-give-the-pesticide

Please at least skim that article!


Wolf here…..

The “public” bottom line is that the pesticide industry has seen how the vaccine industry protected itself from consequences – and they want some of that “protected monopoly” action, too!

The “hidden” bottom line, driven by the depoppers hiding behind plausible deniability and their industrial puppets, is that depop by vaccine is SO busted, but “Depop Plan B” using pesticides on both humans and animals is quite doable, and is now getting the big green light.

If we are not careful, a NEW form of depopulation will be granted a “free pass” to begin culling where vaccines left off, when we refused to take them.

I will share what I am learning in that regard.


Pesticides Tag in as Vaccines are on the Ropes

Did you know that CHINA wants to spray your yard, your house, your deck, your basement, your garden plants – with a chemical that goes right into those plants INTENTIONALLY – and will depopulate the hives of the bees that visit those flowers? Oh, yeah – and the squirrels and birds in your yard? Maybe even the vultures that eat the carcasses? That will cause measurable changes to your cardiovascular system? And for which they will charge you something approaching a grand per year – and that they will make you sign an almost unbreakable contract, which you can’t break – EVEN FOR HEALTH REASONS – without losing most of your money?

You had better wise up fast, because China figured out that Americans aren’t going to take those vaccines, and they have a NEW PLAN.

And I’m here to tell you all about it.


I have an organic yard and house. Yeah, I have to use some herbicides and some pesticides, but I generally avoid them almost entirely. If I absolutely must, I use weak, natural insecticides like natural pyrethrins VERY occasionally. I use borax traps for ants. I use pheromone traps for Japanese beetles. I use SPIDERS for most insects, and HOUSE CENTIPEDES to keep the spiders under control. The rule is that my little natural friends have to stay hidden, and they learn fast, just like little AI robots. Scare them good, and you won’t see them again.

I use natural oil repellents for rabbits, squirrels, and deer in the gardens. This natural system works like crazy. Good dehumidification also helps in a big way, to keep bugs out of the house. I pass those tips along to all my friends, too, just like they were passed on to me. A natural and dry house is a surprisingly clean and bug-free house.

We have birds, squirrels, rabbits, deer, coyotes, skunks, racoons, groundhogs, bats, woodpeckers, hawks, owls, chipmunks, field mice, and every other critter you can imagine. We treat the animals well, and they entertain us all year long. The insects can’t come in the house, however, and our pampered little predators take care of the few that do.

However, not all of my friends and neighbors have stood up to the blatant, merciless, and sometimes literally illegal solicitations by the pestilence of “green” pesticide companies, trying to sell their services to the unwary.

I am going to warn you about them.

What follows is a combination of my experiences with those of my friends, my neighbors, and their friends and neighbors. Most of this is first-hand information given directly to me by the people involved. Some is second-hand. Some is my own experience. I’m going to wrap it all up in one ball – a single “friend” – to keep all these people anonymous, and bury my connections to them.

My “friend” has some serious warnings for you. Pay attention – and LIVE.


My friend actually thinks the home pesticide racket is built for depop. I knew this person was wise to depop with vaccines, but not pesticides, so when they told me the current pressure by green pesticide companies was all about depopulation, I was stunned. I wasn’t even fully there yet. But when you hear my friend’s story, it makes sense.

Yes – depopulation by nasty elites and progs is almost a mainstream belief now.

The high-pressure sales by these “green pesticide” companies has gone up by a full quantum level. We used to get the top two or three companies coming to our door, once every few years, but lately they’re all everywhere, all the time. The competition is FIERCE. I’ve seen them coming to most of my friends’ houses, too. The companies send both college kids and seasoned pros on these calls, and it seems like most of these salespeople will just ignore “NO SOLICITORS” signs.

My friend is an avid gardener and a DIY type, and had avoided using a pesticide company for years. However, because they were in the middle of a very wet summer with a lot of insects getting into the house, AND because the salesman made it sound like their people were just applying organic plant extracts to the exterior, and promised it would solve the problem, my friend made the mistake of trusting the sales pitch, and signed a 1-year contract to try it out. HUGE mistake.

“Plant-based” doesn’t mean “plant extracts”. Nor does it mean organic. Nor does it mean natural. It means “there exist natural substances with the same mode of bug-killing action, but this newer, stronger, and more persistent synthetic poison is not one of them.”

It’s the difference between “pyrethrins” (moderately toxic natural substances in chrysanthemum flowers) and “pyrethroids” (synthetic molecules that kinda look like the natural ones, but are many times more potent and toxic).

Slide Show on Pesticides: https://www.slideserve.com/ulysses-watkins/pesticides-types-and-modes-of-action

Article on Pyrethrins and Pyrethroids: https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/53803

Ditto for “neonicotinoids“, which function at the same insect (or mammal) receptors as nicotine, but have molecules which increasingly look almost nothing like nicotine.

Neonicotinoids, a.k.a. “neonics“, are contentious because (IMO) they are both over-accused in some ways, and under-accused in others. Let’s just say that they are not without controversy.

Article on Neonicotinoids, Including Health Effects: https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/2172

That is what is being called “plant-based”, “organic”, etc. Technically, it’s true, or almost true, but realistically, it’s so close to a lie, you need a spark-plug gapper to find the space. IMO, the term “plant-based” is a bridge between SCAMMERS and MARKS – nothing more. It is designed to get people who are very reluctant to spray synthetic poisons around their houses, to spray synthetic poisons around their houses.

Caveat emptor.

What it meant in practice for my friend, was a mixture of AGRICULTURAL INSECTICIDES sprayed all over the exterior of the house, sprayed on the ground all around the house and on the decks, sprayed all over the garden, and then delayed-release pellets of still more insecticides being scattered all over the lawn.

The very first casualty was one of my friend’s favorite squirrels – a big old thing – dead on the ground where the company had sprayed, two days later. They weren’t sure if it walked through the sprayed areas or munched on one of the timed-release pellets, but based on the maggot and ant activity, the squirrel likely died within hours of the first application.

It definitely took care of the insects (it took a few days) – they were GONE from the garden – including all the pollinators. There were definitely fewer insects coming into the house. The stuff works.

HOWEVER, my friend felt ILL within hours of spraying, and within 2-3 days knew that something was very wrong. They almost went to the doctor, and only held off from doing so, because they felt better after about a week to 10 days.

Now – here is the kicker. A few weeks later, my friend was told by their FitBit (health wrist watch) that there had been an improvement in exercising heart rate – that their pulse had gone down significantly. My friend found that surprising, and looked at a graph of the health data. Yes, it had gone down – from an unexpected increase earlier. What was very obvious was full recovery from a HUGE increase in heart rate starting the very day that the pesticides had been applied, topping out in 3-4 days, then going back to normal in a week to 10 days. After that, a flat line of normalcy.

My friend even remembered ignoring an earlier notification about heart rate – probably when it increased.

The truth was all in the data.

Good thing my friend only has mild cardiac issues. What if this would have happened to somebody with serious cardiac problems?

I repeat. My friend has medical evidence of health effects due to the applied pesticides. My guess is that they suffered from both of the chemicals sprayed on the house – one is a powerful pyrethroid, which can cause nerve problems like the symptoms they described – the other is a neonicotinoid, meaning it’s biologically like nicotine, and that is the one that IMO likely raised their heart rate.

My friend canceled the service a.s.a.p. and told the company why. One might think that a person would get their money back for a health-related exit, but no – the contract required almost complete payment of the full contract for discontinuing for ANY reason. My friend did NOT give a damn – they were OUT.

Lesson learned.

Now, that squirrel wasn’t the only casualty. A different company came to my friend’s house later, and mentioned (as a selling point) that they had secured contracts with two families just down the road. Well, what do you know – a few days later, there was a HUGE vulture pecking at what looked like a small dead mammal in the first mentioned neighbor’s yard. And if that’s not enough, there was ANOTHER dead mammal – some kind of squirrel or chipmunk – found later next door to the second property mentioned by the happy salesman.

I repeat – these are were mammals.

Between my neighbor’s symptoms preserved in data, and 3 dead mammals in or near 3 treated yards, I know that I for one sure don’t want to have anything to do with these “green” pesticides. My suspicions of them have been confirmed.


If you want to read more about the health effects of pesticides, this is a really good slideshow:

LINK: https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/adverse-effects-of-pesticides-in-agriculture-157062024/157062024

Now – here is the kicker.

Go back to Malone’s hosted article by Dr. Nass. You will find that a certain big pesticide company merged with ChemChina. ChemChina is STATE-OWNED – meaning it’s the CCP.

Well, that company which is under CCP control, happens to be the one that produced the mixture of chemicals which likely sickened my friend and killed the squirrel. So if you wouldn’t trust China to “safely” put poisons in your yard and on your house, then strongly consider hiring some spiders to take care of the insects, and some house centipedes to take care of the spiders. Let the birds take care of the insects. Let the bees take care of the flowers. And let the hawks take care of the squirrels.

Your heart rate will go DOWN, not UP.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



Dear MAGA: 20250724 ✾ Thank God ± Theistic Evolution ∈ Thursday Open Topic


This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!

Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.


Just as Wheatie’s Stormwatch Monday Open Thread was created as a place for people to openly express their thoughts and opinions, so, too, is this Thank God Thursday Open Thread, where honest but civil discussion of all topics is encouraged. This thread is also to be known as Theistic Evolution Thursdays, due to the author’s expected “pontification” about his scientific, religious, and political opinions. You are welcome to pontificate back! Free speech matters!

Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.

The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.

And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.

And that’s it. We’re done stealing from Wheatie.

OK – maybe her rules need to be posted.

  • No food fights.
  • No running with scissors.
  • If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.


If there is nothing beyond the “W” below, then this is a placeholder. For health reasons, I can’t always post a timely opinion before each Thursday, but I will try. Otherwise, you have this placeholder post, where YOU provide the content. Enjoy!

W


Why Current Electric Vehicles Suck As “Reliable” Transportation – And What Might Be Done About It

We were discussing electric vehicles here, when Aubergine made an important point – quite bluntly, the superiority of internal combustion engines at simply getting the job done.

Dude, I live in Montana. Until an electric vehicle reliably runs in -20 degrees, can go several hundred miles without a charge, and can be easily repaired in the middle of a wheat field, they are not going to work here.

Gasoline and diesel engines are practical, EVs are not.

Some of this is inherent to the technology. Gasoline and diesel oil doesn’t lose energy availability at low temperatures, but batteries DO. This is a well-established problem with electric vehicles (EVs).

LINK: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2025/02/10/heres-which-evs-fare-the-best-in-frigid-weather-tests-show

Note Aubergine’s point about “easily repaired in the middle of a wheat field” – and just consider the simple “repair” of bringing a gallon or two of gasoline to a vehicle which has run out of gas. Yes, there are electrical options – but the equivalent of walking for a gallon of gas isn’t one of them. The closest thing is calling in a jumper truck instead of a tow truck. This shows how much convenience is given up by leaving the simple, long-solved convenience of the internal combustion engine.

But it gets worse.

Barkerjim posted a link to a really great analysis, showing why EVs will NEVER be “quick fill-ups” using the current technology.

LINK: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/07/04/why-your-ev-wont-fill-up-in-five/

The TL;DR is this.

ChiCom-sponsored brag science is claiming they have a new battery that can basically solve all the problems of EV batteries. The oh-so-trustworthy Huawei is saying the battery can give ranges of 1800 miles and a 5-minute recharge.

Really?

You mean THIS stuff is solved?

Sorry – not really.

The reality is quite problematic, and Willis Eschenbach explains why.

But, as usual, reality is hiding out in the fine print, ducking the spotlight while the PR machine does its victory lap. Nobody wants to talk about physics. Nobody asks how, exactly, you’re supposed to pour Niagara Falls through a garden hose.

I urge you to read the article.

And it STILL gets worse. As SteveInCO pointed out:

Left unsaid in all of that is the fact that that cable is NOT very flexible. So you’re going to have to park far away from the charger just to have enough flex in the cable to be able to attach it to your car. And it will still take two hours to charge your car because it’s only 1/24th of what you need.

The reason this problem doesn’t already exist at supercharging stations is that the car is only charging up for 300 miles, not 1800 miles.

This is where my mind typically gets BIOS-booted back into “utter basics of batteries” mode – where we just look at the chemistry of “redox” – meaning “oxidation and reduction”.

Rust, fire, human metabolism, copper cleanser, and batteries, are all examples of redox. Oxidation and reduction is what batteries do, only with rerouting of the electrons into an electrically useful pathway, instead of “just heat”. The battery is an ingenious perversion of fire, one might say.

And yet, this.

Batteries are – fundamentally – just chemical reactions. And that has consequences.

Interestingly, the inverse is also true.

Direct chemical reactions can be viewed as ultimately short-circuited, failing batteries.

And it gets bigger. Planet sized, in fact.

The biosphere on Earth is a kind of giant, solar-charging battery. Plants are the key – the thing that makes the battery, resulting in biocarbon and oxygen. Land plants store the energy as wood and oxygen.

The oxygen part of the battery encompasses the entire planet, which is a bit of a mind-blower, and has some amazing implications. The wood part of the battery may degrade to coal or petroleum, but either way, sunlight creates a giant charged battery. That battery can then discharge through FIRE. And, that fire can be converted to electricity.

California could take advantage of this giant battery, and turn its wood problem into money, but under intellectual “progressive” lightweights like Gavin Newsom, that can’t happen. Sad.

The internal combustion engine is the same, only it uses really old wood. AND – in a strange sense – it’s like an EV that works through battery discharge of heat, and not by any direct electrical intervention.

Now that I’ve loosened up your mind a bit about what is a battery and what is a chemical reaction, let’s look at why internal combustion is such a great type of EV.

Can We Use The Great Oxygen Battery Component?

For one thing, the internal combustion battery takes advantage of atmospheric oxygen as the “oxidant” part of the battery. That is a huge part of the battery weight that does not have to be hauled around. That part of the battery is already wherever you want to be.

Likewise, the discharged part of the battery (CO2 and H2O) is simply ejected into the shared global atmospheric battery, where these substances can be recycled by the solar generator (plants) and converted back into wood and oxygen.

Yeah, take a moment to savor the beauty of what God hath wrought through “just” the Schroedinger equation and the periodic table!

BEAUTY PAUSE.

Ok, back to stuff.

If we’re going to stick with lithium (or similar) batteries, the electrical vehicle is always going to be stuck with hauling ALL of the battery around. Both the oxidant and the reducing agent are going for the ride. And THAT includes the “used” oxidant and reducing agent. The full battery – even the discharged stuff – is going for the full ride, and is being hauled around by the good stuff.

SO – my first point – is that it sure would be nice if the EV battery could use oxygen as the oxidizing agent.

JUST SAYIN’.

This needs research, and isn’t a quick fix. But it offers future possibilities.

So setting that ambitious point aside, let’s go back to the points made by Willis and SteveInCO.

Can We Make Electricity Delivery Fast Like Gasoline?

How can we make gas service station stops SHORT and SWEET?

IMO, moving back toward a SHARED BATTERY like the atmosphere can work in several ways other than oxygen. One way would be to make the fuel something that you can just load into the car quickly and drive away. If car batteries were more like rechargeable device batteries – meaning they just slid in and out of vehicles – then energy stops would pretty much be as fast as racing pit stops, if one needed a fresh, charged battery. Just swap batteries and move on down the road.

With a scheme like this, the infrastructure for charging batteries could be located either in service stations, or nearby. Charging on the road becomes something that is done away from the consumer, except when home charging.

Note also that “swap-in” battery units can be very smart and the latest tech. The latest battery tech becomes a lot like the grade of the gasoline. Even better, the battery becomes something that can change technologies quickly, evolving faster than the vehicles themselves.

Battery units can be “self-warming” to get maximum energy release. They can be delivered warm and ready to work on the coldest day. They can keep themselves warm, as needed. They become their own thing – less of a concern for most drivers.

My most important point, however, has nothing to do with the chemistry or electrical technology.

Let All Batteries Fight It Out

To recover the innovation of “non-gasoline batteries”, we have to AVOID both unnecessary regulations and subsidies. Let these technologies compete, so that they can evolve. It is my contention that subsidies have distorted the technology of electric vehicles. EVs are not convenient in certain ways, because the “technosphere” of EVs had one focus of its geometry moved too close to individuals and their homes, due to subsidies administered through individuals.

That approach worked for a while, but it has led to technology which has limited the growth of EVs, and has held EVs back from being the industry that they could have been. Microsoft – for all its problems – knew that it had to create an ecosystem around itself, and let other forces drive significant parts of that ecosystem. EVs need to do the same. Off-loading “batteries” and “battery service” into largely separate industries that others can monetize and innovate in, could be the right move here.

Let gas and coal compete – and at all levels of organization! IMO, coal-powered vehicles like Teslas have a great future, especially as nuclear-powered vehicles. However, they will need to go through growing pains.

As Trump likes to say…..

Thank you for your attention to this matter (and energy)!

W

2025.07.22 Daily Thread – American Stories: When in the Course of human events – Part 21

We continue our review of Pennsylvania’s signers of the Declaration of Independence. First, let’s ask a couple of questions like which would be the better city to be called the “cradle of liberty” – Boston or Philadelphia?

A better question is what the heck happened to Philadelphia over the nearly 250 years since that point? The “city of brotherly love” has been anything but that for a very long time. However, in the development of our nation leading up to and immediately after the Revolutionary War, it really could be considered a cradle of liberty as well as the city of brotherly love. However, that is not the focus of this section.

To lead off today’s part I am giving my top five things I find interesting about Philly in no certain order.

Obviously in a series like this one we go first with Philly’s iconic symbol for freedom – the Liberty Bell.

The following link gives the history,

https://www.ushistory.org/LibertyBell/index.html

Second, there another famous, important center and museum; the National Constitution Center.

The Declaration and Constitution are why we are here in this great country. The center is complete with a theater that shows Freedom Rising, life size statues of its signers, all sorts of multimedia exhibits as well as period artifacts. Cool place. Below is info about the center,

https://constitutioncenter.org

Third we have the home of famous trans swimmer, Lia Thomas. The University of Pennsylvania of Ivy League fame had origins as the College of Philadelphia during the incubation of the Independence movement as we know from past stories about other signers. Its founder and first president was B. Franklin, Printer. B had a new building completed for the Philadelphia Academy, the precursor school that eventually became Penn. He also put it to use for evangelical preacher George Whitefield to conduct revivals, focusing on the young people and students in the area.

Now, it is known internationally for encouraging women sports to be infested with sexual deviants and perverts. In the attempt they had their azzes handed to them by POTUS Trump; one of the school’s most famous alums as a 1968 graduate of their Wharton School with a B. S. in Economics, along with other members of his immediate family. Going woke has consequences. The patriot founding fathers that attended the school are probably trying to dig out of their graves and handle the restoration of Penn the same way they handled the Brits.

Could not resist using the mug shot.

😂

Fourth, we watch the most iconic modern day Philly scene ever!

For what it is worth, the building in the background is the Philadelphia Museum of Art. Below is a good primer if you ever decide to visit.

https://www.thegeographicalcure.com/post/guide-to-the-philadelphia-museum-of-art

Finally, the most important culinary gift Philly has given to America is shown below.

B approves…

Enough with the preliminaries, it is on with the show. We focus on one of the “big dogs” (like B) of the patriot founding fathers.

Robert Morris

We need to spend some time digging into the life of the founding father who is referenced as the “Financier of the American Revolution”, Robert Morris. He is one of the few who signed the Declaration, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution. However, this story will be like a roller coaster ride at times and I am only hitting some of the primary information and events. Readers may want to look at any number of articles on the web that provide more detail as he was involved in so many activities that it would take too long to summarize them all here.

Morris was born in 1734 and raised for his first thirteen years in Liverpool, England. He was the child of Robert Morris, Sr. and mother, Elizabeth. Elizabeth died when he was two years old. He was raised by his maternal grandmother and his father immigrated to America in 1738 to work as a tobacco sales agent. At age fourteen, young Robert left to join his father in America in Oxford, MD. Morris, Sr. became very successful and was the author of a tobacco inspection law to reduce fraud that passed against strong opposition. He was known to be the first to keep his accounts in money as compared to the usual gallons, pounds, etc.

Upon young Morris’ arrival in 1748, he was tutored for a year by local minister, William Gordon. He soon left to live with a friend of his father’s in Philadelphia where he apprenticed in the merchant shipping business of wealthy Charles Willing as a clerk. When his father died in 1750, he was alone with no family in America at the age of sixteen. The death of his father was bizarre as described below from the Descendants site:

“In 1750 Robert Morris, Sr. gave a dinner party on board one of the ships of the company. As he left the ship in a small boat, a farewell salute was fired from the ship and wadding from the shot burst through the side of the boat and severely injured him. As a result of the accident, he died of blood poisoning on July 12, 1750.

Young Robert continued his work there and was promoted up the ranks until becoming a full partner in 1757 with Charles Willing’s son, Thomas. Through the years Morris became wealthy and one of the most respected citizens in Philly. In 1769 at age 35 he married 20 year old Mary White, the daughter of a wealthy lawyer and land owner. They soon had the first of seven children together, which included future Congressman Thomas Morris. They worshipped at Anglican Christ Church in Philly with Benjamin Franklin. However, that did not prevent Robert from fathering a daughter, Polly, out of wedlock in 1763. However, he provided for her well into adulthood as he did a young son of his father’s, a half brother.

He served with Benjamin Franklin in the Pennsylvania State Assembly in 1775. He was then chosen to be a representative to the Continental Congress and as a member in the Secret Committee, which was assigned to procure weapons and munitions. He also served on the Committee of Secret Correspondence, which attempted to secure alliances with foreign nations. His shipping company was used frequently by the Congress. It is interesting to note that Morris was not in favor of independence until forced to making a decision AFTER its approval to sign the document. He did not vote at all. He feared the result may be anarchy and preferred reconciliation with Great Britain if they would back down from their oppressive tax acts. After Declaration approval he chose to sign and from that point on gave all of his support to the cause for independence.

He left public service in 1779 after accusations of misconduct only to return at the request of Congress to be the nation’s Superintendent of Finance, a role he held from 1781 to 1784. After the non-founded accusations, he had two demands that needed to be met for him to return and take the role. The first was he was to be given unilateral authority to dismiss any treasury employee. The second was he would be able to maintain his merchant relationships while in service to the country. His value was affirmed when Congress agreed to both conditions. In the same time frame he was made Agent of Marine, which gave him control of the Continental Navy.

He then set sights on doing what needed to be done to improve the finances of the developing nation that was hamstrung by debts of war. He informed Washington that he would do all he could to make sure the funding was available. His optimism was met by reluctant state governments. He was able to get all but Rhode Island to agree to taxation. Under the rules of the Articles of Confederation he needed all states to agree to his request, so the effort died.

As a result he focused his efforts on creating a national bank to help address the lack of funds. He was able to get Congress to agree in 1781 and he opened it in 1782. It was a privately owned bank, funded by subscribers, and regulated by investors. It provided a means to use the invested capital to improve access to funding government debt. He sought a national mint for a central currency, but that was postponed by Congress.

It was Robert Morris who recommended to Washington that Alexander Hamilton take the role over the treasury when he was ready to leave. It was Hamilton who went on to establish the national bank and mint that Morris promoted years before. The respect between the two was awesome, but even that was not more than the incredible intelligence and analytical abilities with regards to the Treasury and the situation with the young nation. Below is a letter written from Hamilton to Morris in 1781. It is long, detailed, and covers a myriad of subjects that interrelate with the Treasury role from the period. If you really want to understand the depth of intelligence and commitment within these founding fathers as well as many others, read it.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-02-02-1167

The valediction of the letter describes the mentoring and advising relationship well in my opinion.

“I have spun out this letter to a much greater lenght than I intended. To develope the whole connection of my ideas on the subject and place my plan in the clearest light I have indulged myself in many observations which might have been omitted. I shall not longer intrude upon you[r] patience than to assure you of the sincere sentiments of esteem with which I have the honor to be   Sir   Your most Obedient   and humble servant

Alx Hamilton

April 30th. 81″

In his time Morris totally reorganized the treasury. He appointed tax collectors for each state who would prepare monthly financial reports and publish them in the newspapers for the public to see and keep pressure on the state governments. All of his work also helped build trust with foreign allies and those who provided products and services to the government during the war period.

Despite all of his good works for America, however, he began to make unwise decisions with his personal investment choices. While still in his treasury role in 1782 he began speculating on land purchases with John Nicholson, the comptroller of the state along with James Greenleaf, the former American consul to the Dutch Republic. They purchased millions of acres without any buyers or plans to repay loans. Over the years the debts increased while Morris also chose to build an opulent mansion for he and his family in Philly in the 1790’s. It was never completed and the cost contributed to his insolvency. The locals called it “Morris’s folly” as a representation of his downfall. His businesses and excessive land deals all began failing at the same time. It was like dominoes falling for years.

By 1798 patriot Declaration signer, Robert Morris, was sentenced to debtor’s prison. A fall from grace brought on primarily by pride, greed, and extravagance. Two years later a modified bankruptcy law was passed through the efforts of Thomas Jefferson and supporters. Morris was released and tried to return to business ventures without success as his reputation had been ruined.

In 1806 he passed away, a shell of his former self and in poverty. He is buried in the Christ Church cemetery. His wife lived until 1827 and survived on an annuity that had been provided to her through the efforts of Gouverneur Morris from a land sale.

Conclusion

Robert never went to school and was only tutored for one year, but his devotion to the education of citizens earned him the honor of having three elementary schools, a college, and a university named after him. His statue is located not only in DC at the mall, but near the Second National Bank in Philly. He and Mary’s friendship was so important to George and Martha Washington that they were frequently honored guests of theirs through the years. John Adams had the following to say about Robert’s time in the Continental Congress,

I think he has a masterly understanding, an open temper, and an honest heart…He has vast designs in the mercantile way. And no doubt pursues mercantile ends, which are always gain, but he is an excellent member of the body.”

Again, the Robert Morris story goes far beyond what is provided here and there are many life lessons for all of us. There was his ownership of slaves for a time that led to his opposition to slavery as he aged; his contribution of ships to the Naval efforts and the named ships in his honor over the years that followed; how his enemies helped cause his debt downfall after he left public office that traced back to his work for the patriot cause in the Secret Committee; and so on.

It is a story of the highest highs and lowest lows. Of being feted by the first couple Washingtons to being drug through the muck by personal enemies and into poverty. He was praised and honored and then later in life labeled a fool by some of the very people who partially owed their independence to his personal efforts. He adhered to Christianity, yet fell to temptation outside the bounds of marriage. When faced with the result he did the honorable thing as well as when he took care of his much younger half brother when his father died. He held great position, status in society for a time, and was very successful in business; but it was not enough as he foolishly sought even more riches using huge sums of debt well beyond his capacity to repay. This caused great hardship and damaged his reputation as well as the futures of his wife and children.

None of the negative events and challenges he faced changes the truth that Robert Morris was a faithful patriot that provided great things to the Independence and establishment of our nation. Today, we proudly celebrate him as a founding father of America.

Please remember Wolf’s rules for our community. In general that means to be respectful to each other and to pull no shenanigans that your mom might find offensive or otherwise cause jail time. That said, free speech is honored here.

Be blessed and go make something good happen!

Dear KMAG: 20250721 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

delubrum

noun

  • font (receptacle in a church for holy water, especially one used in baptism)
  • temple or shrine
  • temple or shrine having a font
  • church with a font
  • sanctuary
  • place of purification

Used in a proper name in a quoted sentence

Delubrum Reginae [Final Fantasy game] has a lot of really fun things going on with it in the boss fights, some of which I’m looking forward to seeing more of in the future!

Shown in a picture

[Nabataean delubrum of the Siq al-Barid (Little Petra) in Jordan]

Shown [game] in a video that shows you how much of an alternate reality games have become


MUSIC!

History lesson!


THE STUFF

Newton takes on neutrons – and gets surprisingly good numbers!

Be careful with those neutrons.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



Dear MAGA: 20250717 ✾ Thank God ± Theistic Evolution ∈ Thursday Open Topic


This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!

Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.


Just as Wheatie’s Stormwatch Monday Open Thread was created as a place for people to openly express their thoughts and opinions, so, too, is this Thank God Thursday Open Thread, where honest but civil discussion of all topics is encouraged. This thread is also to be known as Theistic Evolution Thursdays, due to the author’s expected “pontification” about his scientific, religious, and political opinions. You are welcome to pontificate back! Free speech matters!

Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.

The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.

And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.

And that’s it. We’re done stealing from Wheatie.

OK – maybe her rules need to be posted.

  • No food fights.
  • No running with scissors.
  • If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.


If there is nothing beyond the “W” below, then this is a placeholder. For health reasons, I can’t always post a timely opinion before each Thursday, but I will try. Otherwise, you have this placeholder post, where YOU provide the content. Enjoy!

W


For the Qth of July, we offer this amazing history lesson. Sit back for a half hour!

Wow!

W

KMAG 20250716 OPEN TOPIC, + PsyOps

Site rules stolen from our good friend PAVACA

There are Important Notifications from our host, Wolf Moon; the Rules of our late, good Wheatie; and, certain caveats from Yours Truly, of which readers should be aware. They are linked here. Note: Yours Truly has checked today’s post for any AI-generated content. To the best of her knowledge and belief, there is none. If readers wish to post any AI-generated content in the discussion thread for today’s post, they must cite their source. Thank you.

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Wolf Moon on July 14, 2025 posted this comment.

See if this sounds familiar…..

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Understanding the mass line.

The mass line was a political campaign style developed and used by Mao Zedong and the CCP in the People’s Republic of China. It’s a very common method for doing agitation and propaganda, as well as for driving radicalization ever since.

The name “mass line” suggests two possible meanings, and as it happens, the technique uses both. One is that the “mass line” is the line the masses are taking, and the other is that it’s the line being fed to the masses.

Here’s how it works.

The mass line begins by being extracted from the masses. Issues that are likely to agitate or incite them are determined by the propaganda office. The issues should be ones that are likely to invoke mass mobilization campaigns tapping a lot of negative, or sometimes positive, emotions (e.g., frustration, anger, fear, despair, or hope and enthusiasm).

These issues are then studied by the propaganda office to determine how they can be packaged, or codified, in terms of the party’s interests, ambitions, and interpretive frame.

These reframed inciting issues are then fed back to the masses in a mass line campaign, which runs reflexively to make it seem like it’s the current issue everyone is talking about and mobilizing around. The emotion under the mass line as it was extracted gets channeled into the mass line campaign as it benefits the party.

For example, the masses could be angry and frustrated that rents are too high and housing is unaffordable. The party would then recognize this reservoir of resentment in the people and would codify it by deciding it is caused by the landlords being too greedy and selfish. They would then feed this interpretation of the issue in a big-scale campaign back to the people with the goal of inciting and mobilizing them all at once. “Rents are too high because we have too many landlords who are greedy!”

The party will likely also package in a pre-determined solution pathway into the mass line because the point is often to get the people to demand the thing the party wants to do. They might add, “we need rent controls” or “we need state ownership of apartments.”

The mass line is then pushed with a vigorous campaign that makes it feel like the most important issue everyone is talking about, and one that has to be solved now, usually according to the line provided by the party. The masses are thereby mobilized to protest and demand what the party wanted in the first place. Their energy, which might be quite legitimate, is coopted to the party’s agenda.

That’s how the mass line works. Be on the lookout. We see them everywhere now.

PS:

For those who followed my explanations of Paulo Freire’s critical pedagogy, this is the same methodology applied to education, as Freire himself explains in Pedagogy of the Oppressed.

Gathering the mass line is finding the “generative themes,” which the educator then “codifies” and delivers back to the students in a “decodification” that interprets their circumstances for them to awaken critical consciousness and to inspire radical activism.

There are several different psychological methods used to manipulate the public. I think we have all heard of the Hegelian dialectic: Problem – Reaction – Solution. An excellent example is making schools ‘No Gun Zones’ via the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. Followed by Facilitating school shootings and then scream we need to get rid of the 2nd Amendment Right to bear arms.

Hegelian Dialectics: The Devil’s Winning Tool

since the days of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels it has been used as a guided process toward a desired end.

The objective of Hegelian dialectics in this sense is to replace something old with something new (e.g., capitalism with communism, traditional Bible doctrine with theological modernism, a traditional educational system based on moral absolutes with a new one based on relativism, an old age with a new).

Used like this, Hegelian dialectics cannot produce the new thing, but it can destroy the old. Other processes and techniques come into play in actually producing the new thing that is desired.

Hegelian dialectics is used today to create a “paradigm shift” by replacing an old “paradigm” (prevailing belief system) with a new one. It is a technique of “social evolution” and “political transcendence.”

It is not an innocent process. It is used by “change agents” and “facilitators of transformation.” Hegelian dialectics is “the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution” (Niki Raapana and Nordica Friedrich, “What Is the Hegelian Dialectic?” October 2005, http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm).

Speaking religiously and spiritually, it is an ever-evolving system that never arrives at absolute truth. All is relative and negotiable and the end justifies the means….

Another method we ran into during the Farm Wars was the Delphi Technique.

If you look that term up on Brave today the first three options you get:

Investopedia: What Is the Delphi Method, and How Is It Useful in Forecasting?

In contrast with many other types of interviews and focus groups, Delphi studies allow participants to rethink and refine their opinions based on the input of others, contributing to a more reflective and thoughtful process.

Delphi method – Wikipedia

The following key characteristics of the Delphi method help the participants to focus on the issues at hand and separate Delphi from other methodologies: in this technique a panel of experts is drawn from both inside and outside the organisation.

Delphi methodology in healthcare research: How to decide its appropriateness

Abstract

The Delphi technique is a systematic process of forecasting using the collective opinion of panel members. The structured method of developing consensus among panel members using Delphi methodology has gained acceptance in diverse fields of medicine. The Delphi methods assumed a pivotal role in the last few decades to develop best practice guidance using collective intelligence where research is limited, ethically/logistically difficult or evidence is conflicting….

Delphi Technique in Project Management: PMP 2025 Tips

The Delphi technique is an excellent consensus-building tool for complex project decisions that lack historical precedent or data. The Delphi method is a game-changing project management method to drive consensus and make complex decisions using an anonymous, and iterative approach by experts to provide input without influence from others…

The Delphi method (also called Wideband Delphi) was developed in the 1950s by the RAND Corporation as a forecasting methodology and named after the Greek Oracle of Delphi who foretold the future.

It is a structured, iterative process to solicit expert opinions and reach a consensus on complex problems or decisions which involves a facilitator sending multiple rounds of anonymous questionnaires to a panel of subject matter experts….

All nice glowing articles about the technique.

After reading that crap, I decide to make my notes from a couple decades ago available because the Delphi technique is not as innocent as those articles portray it. The key phrase is CONSENSUS BUILDING’

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A special thanks to Marty Oakley, John Munsell, Lynn Cohen-Cole, Walter Jeffries, Barb and the rest of the Farm War Warriors who taught me so much about the evil encroaching on our land.

Kozlowski May 14, 2012 at 12:23 am @ WUWT

The original issue that brought all of this to light was of course the absurdly inflated claims of danger to scientists. Just like AGW, its all done “for the cause.”

Reading about this “deliberative democracy” project is extremely disturbing….

This needs to be looked into. Who set this up, who paid for the “study”, who is behind this? Are there other “deliberative democracy” projects like this going on in any other countries?

Sounds like “manipulative democracy”, not “deliberative democracy.” Scary stuff indeed.

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It is rather common I am afraid. It is the method used to give “legitimacy” to pre-determined out comes. In group settings, the Delphi Technique is an unethical method of achieving consensus on controversial topics.

The Delphi Technique. Have you ever been Delphied?

The basis of the Delphi Technique is to achieve consensus on controversial topics and requires professional facilitators, we are told….

More and more, we are seeing citizens being invited to “participate” in various forms of meetings, councils, or boards to “help determine” public policy in one field or another. They are supposedly being included to get ”input” from the public to help officials make final decisions on taxes, education, community growth or whatever the particular subject matter might be.

Sounds great, doesn’t it? Unfortunately, surface appearances are often deceiving.

You, Mr. or Mrs. Citizen, decide to take part in one of these meetings.

Generally, you will find that there is already someone designated to lead or “facilitate” the meeting. Supposedly, the job of the facilitator is to be a neutral, non-directing helper to see that the meeting flows smoothly.

Actually, he or she is there for exactly the opposite reason: to see that the conclusions reached during the meeting are in accord with a plan already decided upon by those who called the meeting.

The Delphi Technique for Controlling Public Meetings – What it is, and how to counter it

In her article USDA Employing Delphi Technique, Marti Oakley describes the opposition we face as we go to the USDA listening sessions. I faced a similar situation when I attended a county meeting to discuss our land being turned over to the local tribe, as well as water rights.

I recognize now that the technique used in that meeting to manipulate the people present was the Delphi Technique. Although not aware of it at the time, I did use the technique described in the following article to counter it. This response came naturally, and was probably due to my former peace officer training. Countering this technique is not difficult, and I recommend it.

Here is a link to an article that describes what the Delphi Technique is:

The Delphi Technique – What Is It?

Here is a link to an article that describes exactly how to counter the technique and get your message across:

The Delphi Technique – How To Disrupt It

When you go to the meetings, make sure to arm yourself with this information. It is invaluable.

Barb

The Delphi Technique – What Is It?

The Delphi Technique was originally conceived as a way to obtain the opinion of experts without necessarily bringing them together face to face.  In recent times, however, it has taken on an all new meaning and purpose.  In Educating for the New World Order by B. Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is “…lay, or community, participation (in the decision-making process), while lay citizens were, in fact, being squeezed out.”  The Delphi Technique is the method being used to squeeze citizens out of the process, effecting a left-wing take over of the schools.

A specialized use of this technique was developed for teachers, the “Alinsky Method” (ibid, p.123).  The setting or group is, however, immaterial; the point is that people in groups tend to share a certain knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics (known as group dynamics).  This allows for a special application of a basic technique.

The change agent or facilitator goes through the motions of acting as an organizer, getting each person in the target group to elicit expression of their concerns about a program, project, or policy in question.  The facilitator listens attentively, forms “task forces,” “urges everyone to make lists,” and so on.  While s/he is doing this, the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group.  S/He identifies the “leaders,” the “loud mouths,” as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument — the “weak or noncommittal”.

Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes “devil’s advocate.”  S/He dons his professional agitator hat.  Using the “divide and conquer” technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other.  This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear “ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic.”  S/He wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate.  The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation.  S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member.  Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.

The method works.  It is very effective with parents, teachers, school children, and any community group.  The “targets” rarely, if ever, know that they are being manipulated.  Or, if they suspect this is happening, do not know how to end the process.

The desired result is for group polarization, and for the facilitator to become accepted as a member of the group and group process.  S/He will then throw the desired idea on the table and ask for opinions during discussion.  Very soon his/her associates from the divided group begin to adopt the idea as if it were their own, and pressure the entire group to accept the proposition…

The Delphi Technique – How To Disrupt It

Ground rules for disrupting the consensus process (Delphi Technique) — when facilitators want to steer a group in a specific direction.

1)    Always Be Charming.  Smile, be pleasant, be courteous, moderate your voice so as not to come across as belligerent or aggressive.

2)    Stay Focused.  If at all possible, write your question down to help you stay focused.  Facilitators, when asked questions they don’t want to answer, often digress from the issue raised and try to work the conversation around to where they can make the individual asking the question look foolish, feel foolish, appear belligerent or aggressive.  The goal is to put the one asking the question on the defensive.  Do not fall for this tactic.  Always be charming, thus deflecting any insinuation, innuendo, etc, that may be thrown at you in their attempt to put you on the defensive, but bring them back to the question you asked.  If they rephrase your question into an accusatory statement (a favorite tactic) simply state, “that is not what I stated, what I asked was… (repeat your question).”  Stay focused on your question.

3)    Be Persistent.  If putting you on the defensive doesn’t work, facilitators often resort to long drawn out dissertations on some off-the-wall and usually unrelated, or vaguely related, subject that drags on for several minutes – during which time the crowd or group usually loses focus on the question asked (which is the intent).  Let them finish with their dissertation/expose, then nicely, with focus and persistence, state, “but you didn’t answer my question.  My question was… (repeat your question).”

Remember…

always be charming,

stay focused, and

be persistent.

Never, under any circumstance, become angry.  Anger directed at the facilitator will immediately make the facilitator “the victim.”  This defeats the purpose which is to make you the victim.  The goal of the facilitator is to make those they are facilitating like them, alienating anyone who might pose a threat to the realization of their agenda.  [People with fixed belief systems, who know what they believe and stand on what they believe, are obvious threats.]  If the participant becomes the victim, the facilitator loses face and favor with the crowd.  This is why crowds are broken up into groups of seven or eight, why objections are written on cards, not voiced aloud where they are open to public discussion and public debate.  It’s called crowd control.  It is always good to have someone else, or two or three others who know the Delphi Technique dispersed through the crowd; who, when the facilitator digresses from the question, will stand up and say nicely, “but you didn’t answer that lady’s/gentleman’s question.”  The facilitator, even if suspecting you are together, certainly will not want to alienate the crowd by making that accusation.  Sometimes it only takes one occurrence of this type for the crowd to figure out what’s going on, sometimes it takes more than one. 

If you have an organized group, meet before the meeting to strategize.  Everyone should know their part.  Meet after the meeting to analyze what went right, what went wrong and why, and what needs to happen the next time around.  Never meet during the meeting.  One of the favorite tactics of the facilitator, if the meeting is not going the way he/she wants, if he/she is meeting measurable resistance, is to call a recess.  During the recess, the facilitator and his/her “spotters” (people who wander the room during the course of the meeting, watching the crowd) watch the crowd to see who congregates where, especially those who have offered measurable resistance.  If the “resistors” congregate in one place, a “spotter” will usually gravitate to that group to “join in the conversation” and will report back to the facilitator.  When the meeting resumes, the facilitator will steer clear of those who are “resistors.”  Do not congregate.  Hang loose and work the crowd.  Move to where the facilitator or “spotters” are, listen to what they have to say, but do not gravitate to where another member of your team is.

This strategy also works in a face to face, one on one, meeting with anyone who has been trained in how to use the Delphi Technique.

With thanks to Sandy Vanderberg, Peg Luksik and others

It is amazing the variety of methods the Cabal has for controlling the ‘Great Unwashed’ Those are just a few.

2025.07.15 Daily Thread – American Stories: When in the Course of human events – Part 20

With this part and the next we will follow our article on Benjamin Franklin and go deeper into the lives of other patriot founding fathers that were from the Keystone State of Pennsylvania. The Keystone name originated from its geographic location in the center of the 13 colonies as well as from its “key” contributions to the economic, political and social fabric of our young nation. Its location touches the Mid-Atlantic, Northeast Appalachia, and Great Lakes regions. As a result it has been multi-cultural and diverse since it was given in a royal land grant to William Penn in 1681.

To say it has been the site of American history in all of its glory, rage and everything in between is an understatement. Pennsylvania has been the seed planter of this great nation in Independence Hall as well as a literal and figurative battlefield from the 1700’s through today, especially with its political theatrics. Yet, when it was first settled it was considered to be a peaceful colony with settlers coexisting well with native American Indian tribes as well people from other nations such as Sweden, Germany (the Pennsylvania Dutch), and others who had major influences on the area.

Just a note at this point; I refuse to use the woke term “indigenous peoples” in reference to our native American Indian fellow citizens. It is historically inaccurate. Treaties, land grants, legal documents, Congressional records, etc. that were executed and referenced with the native American Indians in the development of our nation all state the term “Indian” in it. I have some Appalachian Cherokee blood running through my veins. I am not going to play the word games of the leftists. Right or wrong, God can judge, this world has always worked on the ancient Roman adage of, “To the victor goes the spoils.” The idgits who want to play the victims and reparations games can go pound sand.

It was into this great melting pot of people with patriot and loyalist blood in their veins that liberty was seeded. Pennsylvania’s prominent place in our nation’s history will be forever noted. I will not delve into its history as it would take too long for this series. The links below should help those who desire to know more. First there is a good bullet point style summary,

Next there is a more detailed history from Wiki,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pennsylvania

Now on to the next Declaration signer from the Keystone State.

George Clymer

George Clymer is a founder that many know very little about, yet, was one of the more important.

Clymer was born in Philly in 1739 and was orphaned at age seven. He was apprenticed to his maternal aunt and uncle. They were childless and agreed to raise, educate, and train young George into their merchant occupations. His uncle was also a friend of Benjamin Franklin. George received no formal education, but loved to read and learn. His grandfather left him some wealth in his will at age eleven. George continued working in the family business and became its accountant. He used his wealth to start his own trading business with his uncle’s blessing in 1759. When his uncle passed away he left the family business to George and with it, more wealth.

He married his wife, Elizabeth Meredith, in 1765. She was the daughter of the second wealthiest merchant in Pennsylvania. The couple went on to have nine children together with five surviving. One adult son later died in the Whiskey Rebellion. They were of the Episcopalian faith, which caused Elizabeth’s disownment by her family as they were Quakers.

George was a strong early backer of the independence movement. He served on Philadelphia’s Committee of Safety and was soon elected to serve its Common Council for six years. He was appointed a justice of the peace and later, an associate justice of the City Court despite not having a law degree. During the 1760’s he became even more involved in the patriot movement by authoring articles and pamphlets, leading a boycott of the Townshend Act, and adding his name to a 400 merchant public signing of the anti-importation stance against the Stamp Act. He was opposed by Quakers and loyalists who preferred a more conciliatory approach to Great Britain. He had great opposition to his adamant support for independence from the majority of citizens in the area, yet, they respected him so much he continue to ascend politically.

In 1773 he visited Boston in search of medical assistance for a chest ailment. While there he met and became good friends with John Quincey, an attorney who along with John Adams successfully defended the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre trials. Quincey was a big backer of Samuel Adams and John Hancock. This only encouraged Clymer more and he became an ardent supporter of the patriots in Boston.

He was very successful in his businesses in the Philly area and being popular was elected as a representative to the Second Continental Congress. After signing the Declaration of Independence he resigned in 1777. He remained there and ran his businesses during the ensuing battles in the area and the move of Congress until they could safely return. He was very generous with his wealth in his support of the military and other needs. At a crucial time during this period with funds low for the military, he and other local business leaders chartered the Pennsylvania Bank to assist in the effort. It served as a model for a national bank envisioned by Alexander Hamilton later. During the period he contributed to the war effort by serving on the Board of War and Treasury Board.

A few years later he was elected to the Philadelphia legislature where he served until he was requested to go to the southern states to increase manpower subscription for military and government service as well as soliciting funding. He returned to take part as a representative to the Constitutional Congress. In so doing he became one of only six who signed both the Declaration and the Constitution.

Clymer was a devoted Federalist and key supporter of Washington and his efforts. Washington called him into service in national financial roles as needed. He was also sent to Georgia to negotiate a treaty with the Creek and the Seminole as he had good relationships with native Indians. This resulted in peaceful relations with America and a move by the tribes away from the Spanish trading influence in Florida. He also did a mission to the Cherokees to improve relations in 1796.

He continued holding political office and running his businesses until his death in 1813. Elizabeth died two years later. They had been married 47 years. As a man of strong opinions he had an admirable way of relating to those with different perspectives that created harmony. As a result, despite his Episcopal faith and Elizabeth being disowned from her Quaker family, he was buried in a Quaker cemetery in Trenton, NJ. However, Elizabeth’s burial site is unknown and she is unlikely to have been buried by her husband.

For someone with zero formal education who had been orphaned as a child, George Clymer became a brilliant businessman, politician, judge, patriot, husband and father. He had one quote that stood out to me as it is applicable for our current times, which means it was applicable during his days over two centuries ago.

A printer publishes a lie: for which he ought to stand in the pillory, for the people believe in and act upon it.”

Yup, fake news was influencing even back then. Fortunately, a growing majority of citizens do not fall for their garbage today. However, the sentiment is still applicable in regards to the use of the pillory against them as it might be appropriate as retribution.

Please remember Wolf’s rules for our community. In general that means to be respectful to each other and to pull no shenanigans that your mom might find offensive or otherwise cause jail time. That said, free speech is honored here.

Be blessed and go make something good happen!

Dear KMAG: 20250714 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

jud

noun

  • mass of coal ready for final removal
  • block of coal about 4 yd (3.7 m) square, holed and cut ready for breaking down
  • applied to a working place, usually 6 to 8 yd (5.5 to 7.3 m) wide, driven in a pillar of coal

Used in a sentence

When a jud has been driven the distance required, the timber and rails are removed, and this is termed ‘drawing a jud‘.

Size shown (roughly) in a picture

Coal mining sizes shown in a video


MUSIC!

Coal In The Family!


THE STUFF

Face the realities of the history of coal mining!

Coal. Still. Useful. Stuff.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



Dear MAGA: 20250710 ✾ Thank God ± Theistic Evolution ∈ Thursday Open Topic


This man, making Christmas calls from the White House, believes the world is a sphere. And he has even flown around it! So has our beautiful FLOTUS, who happens to be his wife!

Truth and common sense must be valued by us, as individuals, in order to lastingly disempower the authoritarian fake news media. This includes the perniciously smarmy science media, which never answers for its errors and lies. I believe that the media has been responsible not only for leftist pathologies like scientism, medical fascism, and radical gender ideology, but also for reactionary movements like modern flat Earth, rejection of all medicine, and Biblical geological literalism.


Just as Wheatie’s Stormwatch Monday Open Thread was created as a place for people to openly express their thoughts and opinions, so, too, is this Thank God Thursday Open Thread, where honest but civil discussion of all topics is encouraged. This thread is also to be known as Theistic Evolution Thursdays, due to the author’s expected “pontification” about his scientific, religious, and political opinions. You are welcome to pontificate back! Free speech matters!

Please label all AI-generated content as being such, unless it is patently obvious (e.g., humorous AI images). It is important that we as individuals not begin to pretend that socially derived artificial intelligence is actually our own, as this form of stealthy social information averaging and feedback would be one more pretense and deception between people, in service of stupid Marxist socialism, and of those who wish to substitute their communally protected lies for actual truth.

The source of alleged truth matters, not for the truth itself, but for validation.

And yes, it’s THURSDAY…again.

And that’s it. We’re done stealing from Wheatie.

OK – maybe her rules need to be posted.

  • No food fights.
  • No running with scissors.
  • If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

Other rules may be derivable from these, and that conjecture is left for discussion.


If there is nothing beyond the “W” below, then this is a placeholder. For health reasons, I can’t always post a timely opinion before each Thursday, but I will try. Otherwise, you have this placeholder post, where YOU provide the content. Enjoy!

W


This week, a random mix of old tabs and “stuff”!


(1) Ever been curious about the squares of the numbers from 1 to 100?

Here you go!

https://www.teachoo.com/8506/2760/Square-Numbers-from-1-to-100/category/Square-numbers


(2) The history and science of bunker-busters!

If somebody else provided this link, thank you again!


(3) Is the Cosmic Microwave Background NOT, in fact, from the Big Bang?

Big if true!


(4) Never forget Osatan / Obola / Barky Osama

And while you’re at it, keep an eye on “Dime Store Obama”!

Those darn leftists! Keep their paws off the steering wheel!


(5) Thinking about flying this summer? There have been some changes! Buckle up!


Flying or not, have a great weekend!

W