Is it Real . . . or Memorex?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257600/vatican-to-publish-new-document-on-marian-apparitions-next-week

“The Vatican’s doctrine office will publish a new document next week on discerning Marian apparitions and other supernatural events.

The Holy See Press Office announced on Tuesday that Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, the prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF), will unveil new norms for discernment regarding “apparitions and other supernatural phenomena” on Friday, May 17.”

In thinking about apparitions, their reality, their source and their message, we should definitely not pass them off as trivial . . . as though we’re talking about some old lady from Oshkosh who is promoting a piece of toast with a likeness if Christ on it as the most important Christian icon of the 21st century.

The issue is real . . . and important. False prophets and false Messiahs will definitely appear in the future and will perform great signs and miracles to deceive mankind.

How can we discern counterfeit miracles?
In Matthew 24:24, Jesus warns, “For false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.” Similarly, 2 Thessalonians 2:9 says, “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders.”

When God sent Moses to deliver the Israelites from slavery in Egypt, He performed miraculous signs through Moses to prove that Moses was indeed His messenger. However, Exodus 7:22 states, “But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he wouldn’t listen to Moses…” (see also Exodus 7:11 and 8:7). God later demonstrated His superiority by performing miracles the magicians, or more accurately, the demons who were empowering the magicians, weren’t able to replicate (Exodus 8:18; 9:11). But the fact remains that Pharaoh’s magicians were able to perform miracles. So, if miracles can be from either God or the demonic world, how are we to discern the difference?

The Bible doesn’t give specific instructions on how to recognize counterfeit miracles. The Bible does, however, give specific instructions on how to recognize counterfeit messengers. “You will recognize them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:16, 20). First John 4:2-6 elaborates, “This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that doesn’t acknowledge Jesus isn’t from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist … They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever isn’t from God doesn’t listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

These two passages present two methods for recognizing a false teacher. First, examine his/her fruit. Does he/she display the Christlikeness that is a qualification for a messenger from God (1 Timothy 3:1-13)? Second, examine his/her teaching. Is what he/she teaches in agreement with God’s Word (2 Timothy 2:15; 3:16-17; 4:2; Hebrews 4:12)? If the teacher fails either of these tests, he/she isn’t from God. It doesn’t matter how many miracles are present. If a person doesn’t walk the truth or teach the truth, we can discount any miracles he/she performs. Miracles performed by a false teacher aren’t from God.

In the New Testament, miracles were performed almost exclusively by the apostles and their close associates. The miracles served to validate the gospel message and the ministry of the apostles (Acts 2:43; 5:12; 2 Corinthians 12:12; Hebrews 2:4). While we should never doubt God’s ability to perform miracles, the biblical purpose of miracles should give us a degree of skepticism concerning reports of modern-day miracles. While it isn’t biblical to say that God never performs miracles, the Bible is clear that we are to seek after truth, not miracles (Matthew 12:39).

It is an interesting conundrum that miracles in the Bible validated the messenger, and yet today, miracles aren’t necessarily an indicator for a true messenger of God. The difference is God’s Word. Today we have the complete canon of Scripture, and it is an infallible guide. We have a more sure Word (2 Peter 1:19) we can use to discern whether a messenger and a message is from God. Miracles can be counterfeited. That is why God points us to His Word. Signs and wonders can lead us astray. God’s Word will always light the true path (Psalm 119:105).
https://www.gotquestions.org/counterfeit-miracles.html

Apparitions are certainly attention-getting, but what’s more important is the message the apparition brings and the effect that message may have on mankind.

Can the elect be deceived (Matthew 24:24)?
In what is often referred to as His Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, Jesus speaks about events that will take place before His second coming. One of the warnings Christ gives is this: “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect” (verse 24).

The Greek word translated “elect” is eklektós, which means “chosen ones.” It’s a term used a number of times in the New Testament to refer to true believers in Jesus (e.g., Luke 18:7; Romans 8:33; Colossians 3:12). Will the false miracles performed by the false messiahs and prophets in the end times be so convincing that even born-again believers will be led astray?

There are two reasons why the answer to this question is “no.” First, nearly all Bible commentators agree that the grammatical construction of the verse and its parenthetical statement “if possible” strongly point to such a thing being out of the question. The deception will be strong, the miracles will seem real, and the intent will be to mislead everyone, including the elect. But God’s grace will prevail. His chosen ones won’t be drawn away into deception.

Second, the Bible firmly speaks to the fact that the elect are protected by God from deceptions that would result in eternal separation from Christ. Paul tells us that God “chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him” (Ephesians 1:4); Peter says that the chosen “are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (1 Peter 1:5); and Jude says that the chosen are “beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ” (Jude 1:1). The elect will persevere in God’s strength.

With respect to following false Christs, Jesus says, “He who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. A stranger they simply won’t follow, but will flee from him, because they don’t know the voice of strangers” (John 10:2–5). The sheep know their Shepherd.

Being deceived is a mark of the unregenerate: “At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures” (Titus 3:3). After salvation, we may stray from the truth at times, but the Bible makes it clear that the elect of God can’t be deceived to the extent of being finally lost. If God’s chosen ones could be deceived in such a way, God’s choice of them would be defeated, and that isn’t possible. All who are in Christ have been predestined, called, justified, and will eventually be glorified (Romans 8:30). They have been given to Christ; and of all those who have been given to Him, He will lose none (John 10:28).
https://www.gotquestions.org/elect-deceived.html

Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you aren’t alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. (Matthew 24:4-11)

For then shall be great tribulation, such as wasn’t since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:21-27)

The Beast from the Earth
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as wouldn’t worship the image of the beast to be killed. (Revelation 13:11-15)

The Man of Lawlesness
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day won’t come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)

From https://trinfinity8.com/strange-holograms-in-the-sky/ –
“In late 1991, the JFK Center and School for Special Warfare appears to have looked into a psy-ops holographic system able to project persuasive messages and three-dimensional images of clouds, smoke, rain, buildings, and even religious figures and images to use as persuasive messages for worldwide applications. Many of the futuristic vehicles of terrestrial origin carry advanced directed energy weapon technologies using broad-band holographic technology to easily ‘cloak’ or conceal and/or present false targets.”
“The lesson here is not to be fooled by holographic images in the sky as signs from God—especially wearing the face of Jesus, Allah, or even alien invaders. They are nothing more than tools for manipulation of the masses. Governments are capable of deceit as we all well know. John Lear, a retired airline captain, former Lockheed L-1011 Captain and CIA pilot, as well as the son of the famous inventor of the Lear Jet, believes this technology might also have been used in the World Trade Center attacks of 9/11.”

[Imagine what the powers that be have up their sleeves with Project Blue Beam 33 years after 1991.]

“Beware of false flag events from those in authority that tell you what is best for you. Stay conscious, cautious, and be aware. These are challenging times as we all search for answers and Truth.”

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Aubergine

Thank you, Carl! My family has had some discussion about this and we are in agreement that the powers that be are preparing some psy-op for us.

There are conditions that must be met before Jesus’s return. We must study and know them so that we can’t be fooled. That is my goal.

I hope you and your wife are doing well.

Gail Combs

I agree. The Cabal certainly has the resources to pull off a  psy-op.

The News has certainly been preparing people!

Jews Prepare to Slaughter Red Heifers at Al-Aqsa to Fulfill Prophecy
What do Texan red heifers have to do with Al-Aqsa and a Jewish temple?Temple Movement’s plan to sacrifice the cattle seen as a step towards its goal of building the Third Temple over Al-Aqsa Mosque.

…Until 2022, when five red yearlings were donated by an evangelical farmer from Texas, United States, and flown to Israel as “pets” to get around restrictions on importing live animals as livestock at the time.

There have also been efforts to secure and prepare a plot of land on the Mount of Olives, which overlooks the Al-Aqsa compound and would enable the priest overseeing the killing of the heifer to sprinkle her blood towards Al-Aqsa as detailed in the Bible….

Red Heifer Sacrifice on Mt. of Olives 4/6/2024 rumble.com

Now, a “massive altar” for the 10th red heifer sacrifice has been built in Israel, and there is a tremendous amount of speculation that it could happen soon.

PAVACA

bakocarl
Thank you so much for this important lesson!

IMO, there are already many false gods on the Earth, and that they have been, and will continue, doing the work of the false gods.
Take, for example, Anthony Fauci and his mantra of, “Follow the science.” Or that time when he stated that he “is the science.” He helped to instill fear regarding the COVID-19 virus and then helped to convince / coerce millions of people to get the COVID-19 “vaccines.” The effects of these dangerous injections are now starting to show up.
Does this mean that Fauci thinks of himself as a “god”? One cannot speak definitely on that. However, IMO, his actions make him look as if he does.

Deplorable Patriot

A few points:

One, holograms are a real thing. We know this. There was one in the window of Bergoglio’s apartment in the Vatican a few years ago. No question. They happen.

Two, Cardinal Fernandez mentioned in the quote from the Catholic News Agency article is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and very likely an anti-Christ. We Catholics talk about him all the time in those terms. He was chosen for the role he has to further sow confusion and make the Church’s stance on many things, including apparitions, fuzzy and not as resolute as the messaging should be.

Three, there is a rigorous process for discerning what apparitions and miracles are authentic. It takes several years to actually get them approved. More than one of the really famous ones (Medjudore and Bay Side in Brooklyn) are NOT approved. The messages contain heresy. No true apparition would do that. That’s the local bishop’s job to determine whether or not that is the case and pass it on to the Vatican.

Four, what this is about is really a continuation of the Vatican II movement that sought to undermine prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary.

From the Gospel According to St. Luke, Chapter 1

 46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

51 He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54 He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: 55 As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.

The Magnificat is prayed at every last Vespers service in the Liturgy of the Hours. This very move was predicted in a way by the Blessed Virgin Mary herself during her series of apparitions at Akita in Japan in 1973:

“The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

“The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them”

In addition, apparitions are usually accompanied by a miracle:

Akita in 1973: a wooden statue was crying blood
Lourdes in 1859: a spring appeared out of nowhere
Guadalupe in 1531 she left an image on a tilma that should have disintegrated by now.

Essentially, this move is Satan’s work to further weaken the Church. Any honest Catholic knows this. We also know that apparitions both from Christ Himself and His mother are private revelation and none of us are required to believe any of it. Although, most of us do, especially after making pilgrimages to the sites and witnessing miracles or receiving them.

So, this is all less about really being able to pick out the authentic apparitions than it is further attacking the Faith, and confusing the faithful. It’s going to take a long time to undo the damage Bergoglio and company are doing.

Guadalupe
Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thank you! I was unaware of the Akita apparitions!

Deplorable Patriot

Many people are unaware.

The Blessed Mother appeared to the same nun literally the night before the insanity started with COVID in October 2019 with another warning. It was about the virus itself. Sister couldn’t get the word out in time.

scott467

“One, holograms are a real thing. We know this. There was one in the window of Bergoglio’s apartment in the Vatican a few years ago. No question.”

_______

If that is true, then it is evidence of premeditated intention to deceive, and nothing which comes from the Vatican can be trusted.

Not that I trusted anything from the Vatican before, but to trust anything they say after being caught using holograms to deceive people is just crazy.

para59r

Good heads up for the Vatican message coming out tomorrow. Along with a shared message of hope, you gave us a lens by which to evaluate false miracles, false prophets that will work well for tomorrows message too, thank you. Here’s to hoping we still have friends in the Vatican. If it’s an earnest message given in sincere service to God, it will be interesting to see how it is received and promoted. If it’s not, that too will be quite telling.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Thank you, Carl!

Yes – it may be time to double down on discernment – meaning trust in the Word, and side-eye to potential deception!!!

Deplorable Patriot

One other thing:

By their fruits, you shall know them. Since 1963, there has been a steady loss of faith as the shepherds are really wolves. Vatican II was a BIG mistake, and downplaying the warnings from apparitions and private revelations is as well.

Deplorable Patriot

Cardinal Fernandez is bad news.

It’s one of the hardest things about being an informed Catholic. We have to inform others on sources and bad information. Drives me crazy.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I can’t say this isn’t true…

but in my experience holograms are either monochrome or maybe a rainbow gradient.

para59r

Meanwhile we have the northern lights…definitely not considered a hologram and by some to be authored by an impeccable power most high so apologies… trying to find a place in this wieldy conversation to point out a certain very recent occurrence that paired itself with that celestial event that has slipped most by even after being pointed out at least here.

I imagine “it ” could fall under the rubric of seeing and hearing what one wishes, so selective exposure or selective perception is likely at play here, but it doesn’t change the fact that both events, very rare, happened together and seemed to have fallen on death ears, not just here, but everywhere except among a very small select group.

So I’d be curious if anyone has run across one of the notable Q protagonists out on the internets, who hang on every word Trump makes looking for amazing tells to report back to us on, if any of those have spoken of this, or did it just fly over everyone’s head?

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

No, we saw it.

para59r

I don’t follow Q sites, this being an exception, but I’m still amazed the above has almost no reverb in the q community of lovers and haters. It’s like everyone’s been caught totally unaware and are quietly shuffling by. Perhaps it takes time to process something of such immense proportions and now were to be stuck with drips and dabs with no explosion of revelation.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Or alternatively, they simply don’t imbue Barron with the same significance that you do.

para59r

Undoubtedly. Time for them to scratch their heads then. They do for every other odd thing Trump says. 😁

They don’t though because it’s unconceivable to them. To that I’d say, Q is partly to blame as he allowed them to think in the bigger conspiracy mode. No one wants to think they’ve been following a kid all along no matter how genius and faithful to his father, both of which are very laudatory.

Whether this drip drab thing continues will largely depend on how much recognition Barron wants for his accomplishment. Meanwhile it seems quite apparent now that DJT has no qualms about his kid being noted for this and he’s on record for having said such should it ever come up.

TheseTruths

So I’d be curious if anyone has run across one of the notable Q protagonists out on the internets, who hang on every word Trump makes looking for amazing tells to report back to us on, if any of those have spoken of this, or did it just fly over everyone’s head? 

It didn’t fly over anyone’s head because it is just what it appears to be on the surface. Barron was going to be an RNC delegate, then declined the offer. That’s it.

Nothing has slipped by people. I don’t know of anyone besides you who thinks Barron is Q. That’s why no one is trying to parse Trump’s words and make things fit.

They do for every other odd thing Trump says.  😁 

What did Trump say that was odd?

How do we know that Barron is a genius? He is undoubtedly smart, but he is not one of those kids who enters college at 13 years old, or something. The Q drops were written by someone with knowledge and maturity far beyond that of Barron Trump.

Meanwhile it seems quite apparent now that DJT has no qualms about his kid being noted for this…

Noted for what? Trump was talking about Barron’s being an RNC delegate.

para59r

Trump said after a distinct sentence stop. “He’s 17”. Everyone knows he’s 18. To include Donald Trump who just attended his 18th birthday party and knows also his son can vote now and do things like be an RNC delegate if he wishes. That was a very deliberate insert and it came at cost with multiple stories criticizing Trump for not knowing his son’s age.

When Trump misspells a word or adds something strange to comments that follow in Q isms the Q folk go to town with it. For this they were by and large silent but for the small group mentioned next.

Others caught it and understand and you can find them in replies back, but those are an insignificant few.

Using not entering collage early as a factor for him not being a genius might be unfair as his pursuit of time (at least 3yrs) has focused on his work as Q at the expense of his own education. In fact you can take that as another indicator of him being Q.

So why the cryptic talk? Answer is the audience is few but expanding. If you gave the theory a second look you’d see it mentions Barron’s desire to be recognized for his being Q. That he on more than one occasion demonstrated a propensity for outing himself often by mocking the media to find out who he was.

Donald Trump by this action both placates his son’s desire to be known as Q and fearlessly makes it known that he is not afraid of the truth while at the same time allows for the illusion that he misspoke.

Meanwhile coming out has always been a double sword type affair. Some will be thrilled, some will be aghast and those some are on all sides of Q; believers, doubters, shills and even the unwashed.

Valerie Curren

I don’t buy into your theory but appreciate how you understand, explain, & interpret these events–thank you 🙂

TheseTruths

Others caught it [Trump saying 17 instead of 18] and understand and you can find them in replies back, but those are an insignificant few.

I venture to guess that most people here saw that since it was discussed on this site.

One conjecture besides it being a mistake on Trump’s part would be that Trump was calling attention to Q for the MAGA people — not that Trump was saying that Barron is Q.

Using not entering college early as a factor for him not being a genius might be unfair as his pursuit of time (at least 3yrs) has focused on his work as Q at the expense of his own education. In fact you can take that as another indicator of him being Q. 

IMO you appear to be reading your theory into everything, with zero evidence. We do not know that:
• Barron is a genius.
• Barron is Q.
• Barron spent three years “being Q” at the expense of his education. He is on track to enter college just like anyone else his age. To say or imply that he spent three years being Q because he is a genius and could afford to miss three years of education and still enter college on schedule is pure speculation. It also would mean that both his parents, as well as his grandparents who helped to raise him, would have been okay with his “being Q” for three years when he could have been doing productive things for his own life and education. IMO, there is no way the adults in his life would have thought such a sacrifice was appropriate or even beneficial.

When it was reported that Barron would be an RNC delegate, all of a sudden memes popped up that gave him a genius IQ and said that he has mastered at least four languages and is a chess legend. People lapped it up without questioning any of it. Likewise, your theory hinges on his being extremely precocious and even a genius; yet I have found not a shred of evidence for any of it — none that Barron has a genius-level IQ, no evidence that he has mastered languages besides English and Slovenian, and no evidence that he is on a master level at chess.

So why the cryptic talk?

What cryptic talk? That Trump said 17 instead of 18?

Answer is the audience is few but expanding. If you gave the theory a second look you’d see it mentions Barron’s desire to be recognized for his being Q.

I don’t see that at all.

That he on more than one occasion demonstrated a propensity for outing himself often by mocking the media to find out who he was. 

I don’t remember Barron making any public statements. And even if he did say something to the effect of wanting the media to find out who he is, that would make sense because so many have speculated wrongly about him over the years. And it has nothing to do with Q.

Donald Trump by this action both placates his son’s desire to be known as Q and fearlessly makes it known that he is not afraid of the truth while at the same time allows for the illusion that he misspoke. 

If Trump had “fearlessly made it known that he is not afraid of the truth,” then he would have stated directly that Barron is Q. Being fearless would have necessitated directness instead of there being only one person that I know of (you) who saw that “fearless” message. It doesn’t make sense.

Meanwhile coming out has always been a double sword type affair. Some will be thrilled, some will be aghast and those some are on all sides of Q; believers, doubters, shills and even the unwashed.

I’m not in the “doubter” category; I’m in the “I’m positive that Q is someone with a great deal more maturity than a teenage boy even if he were a genius” category. But I do appreciate your willingness to respond to objections.

para59r

Others caught it …

(refers to those responding to the tweet not those here.

One conjecture besides it being a mistake on Trump’s part would be that Trump was calling attention to Q for the MAGA people

Awkward because it is a forced assumption.

IMO you appear to be reading your theory into everything, with zero evidence. We do not know that:

I’m working with a preponderance of evidence built off the assumption that Barron is Q. No evidence exists for any other explanation that is not an assumption. Zero fact exists to say Q was Flynn, or any other person or agency or part of an agency. Those are all assumptions. Q has only ever said that he was part of a small group and that some had military back ground. That fits himself, his personnel Black Water Security Team and whom ever else helped him. My theory, for me a conviction after having figured him to be Q and following with that notion in mind for six years looking to disprove it and allow one of the other theories. My theory is comprehensive and follows it from inception, to beginning, to end to now.

Every member of the Trump family defended Trump and slung arrows back. Why would we think Barron did not?

If a child gets all his required home work done and his grades are good, then in most households they are permitted privileges or play time. His taking on the Q persona fits that. It’s also likely Trump did not know in the very beginning and that Melania was left out of the loop for a long time. When she learned she was likely upset… revisit the theory on the assumed effect.

When it was reported that Barron would be an RNC delegate, all of a sudden memes popped up that gave him a genius IQ and said that he has mastered at least four languages and is a chess legend. People lapped it up without questioning any of it. Likewise, your theory hinges on his being extremely precocious and even a genius; yet I have found not a shred of evidence for any of it — none that Barron has a genius-level IQ, no evidence that he has mastered languages besides English and Slovenian, and no evidence that he is on a master level at chess.

Expect more of it. It’s already started and you can accept it as part of my theory or you can relegate it to talk to pump up a new Trump Dynasty. Choice will be yours.

I don’t remember Barron making any public statements.

Q is the one that made those kinds of remarks. Barron remains mum on the subject.

Donald Trump by this action both placates his son’s desire to be known as Q and fearlessly makes it known that he is not afraid of the truth while at the same time allows for the illusion that he misspoke. 

If Trump had “fearlessly made it known that he is not afraid of the truth,” then he would have stated directly that Barron is Q. Being fearless would have necessitated directness instead of there being only one person that I know of (you) who saw that “fearless” message. It doesn’t make sense.

Wait for it. Trump has put the ball in Barron’s court. It’s up to Barron now. This however creates a new dilemma. If Barron waits too long before making the claim, he runs the risk of being labeled an opportunist grabbing at what you call an absurd notion and will be mocked endlessly for it.

para59r

I left another copy of the theory just below my first post on this subject as room down here is dwindling. 😮

TheseTruths

I don’t have time to respond point by point. I will say two things.

1.You do not have a preponderance of evidence. You have assumptions and speculation. Those are not evidence.

2.You say to expect more of people assigning attributes to Barron that there is no evidence he possesses.

Expect more of it. It’s already started and you can accept it as part of my theory or you can relegate it to talk to pump up a new Trump Dynasty. 

It is people making things up, which means they are deceiving and lying unless they can provide proof. The truth matters.

para59r

All the Q theories fit that umbrella. This one differs in that it is comprehensive with an inception point, points to one individual and explains major factors that the other theories won’t even touch with a very simple explanation. Example why “Trust Sessions, Trust Rosenstein, Trust Wray?” It also explains long absences along with some of the seemingly juvenile behavior behind proofs that Q is close to the president.

Meanwhile you are correct, we can save this for a later date when a new development presents itself.

para59r

More room here so the theory as given and reposted. https://www.theqtree.com/2024/03/18/dear-kmag-20240318-joe-biden-didnt-win-%e2%9d%80-open-topic/#comment-1251459

The Theory Reposted.

The Case for Barron being Q.
 
So where to start? Perhaps with what Q is not, and then we’ll proceed to the beginning.
Most everyone thinks of Q as 1. A LARP. 2. A White Hat player in some secret organization that will fix the world for us. Or 3. a Dark Hat player being used to confuse and retard the conservative movement.  Of the three, number 1 is closest to the truth but not in the way anyone thinks but in a way that is endearing, clever, very unique and genius, one that should be applauded and cheered. 
 
As to 2 & 3 you will never find Q on someone’s organizational chart except for his own where he pointed out he is part of very small group from which some have military experience.  If Q were part of an organization he’d of been found out long ago in one of Congress’s secret committees either by the Republicans or Democrats or the Government enforcement bodies like the CIA, FBI, NSA etc.… would have found him and his org out even if he was operating with the tacit consent of the then President Trump. Indeed I’d challenge anyone to even mention such an investigation even being conducted. What about an independent organization that operates like the FED? I’d say no to that as all of those come under political control or get infiltrated by politicos.    The fact that he has not been found out and exposed then speaks to something else. He has a special sanction that even berders (saves you the trouble of looking that up- One who delving in evil that even the devil despises) dare not violate… yet anyways as the rules may change once he’s 18.  If Q has connections to any secret organizations the connection is purely a mutual sharing of ideas and nothing else.  In the meantime Q is more than willing to let you fill in the blanks with flights of fancy for which those are many and they are legend so much so that many alters have been set up to both celebrate and worship and not a few to denigrate as well.
 
So this leads us back to number 1. A LARP (Live Action Roll Player). Now if Q were just any LARP he would have been found out long before any secret or independent organization could be found.  Neither of those two things have happened, so this means Q has special sanction.  Also Q demonstrated through almost countless proofs that he was someone close to the President with some limited knowledge of Presidential affairs and short circuited access to closely guarded public information.  The commonly known things about Q’s identification are the one just mentioned, someone close to the president, and the fact that in some instances he was more than just one person, but generally just one person, with an undefined connection to the military or intelligence. Other than that, no one has been able to agree on another thing. 
Now everyone connected to the Whitehouse at one time or another came under scrutiny for possibly being Q. but all were ruled out for a variety of reasons and no one had their home, apartment, basement or office raided which has become a rather common practice under our current rule and trust me the Dems would not of forgotten about Q, but they have which means even the berders are still being kept at bay (well maybe, remember the FBI did search through Barron’s room at Mara Logo which is another tell-tale sign and deserving of a separate comment).
 
So this leads us to Barron, so let’s talk Barron. Most everyone is going to pass over Barron because of his age. Even if suspected it would take a suspension in belief to even consider him. Barron was I believe 11 years old when Donald Trump became President. That would of made him 12 years old when Q first appeared on the scene at the end of 2017.   Somehow everyone forgot that there are such things as Child Prodgies/gifted children and though most recognize such in areas of music, art, chess, math , language, even athleticism, just what sort of child prodigy might President Trump have raised? The plank in everyone’s eye has been agism. It created a blind spot for all. Indeed even as I explain this there will be many that will scoff at the idea just out of jealousy that Q could be just twelve when he first stepped out on the world stage and began to control one of the largest free geographically dispersed standing armies in the world, willing to work for free without pay, with only the notion of working toward freedom, patriotism, family and God as their only reward.
 
President Trump is himself a genius with the IQ scores to prove it. His wife speaks six languages and started her own multinational business even before meeting Trump. Barron himself is said to be master chess player and speaks his mother’s tongue.  There is the story about when Barron was three and the first words to his butler were “Jeeves we need to have a talk”. Barron grew up with the top pent house floor of his father’s tower as his room. Barron was also watched over by some of the highest trained special ops soldiers from Black Water that money could buy and those likely served as his confidents in many matters and are likely a part of the small group that served with Q from the beginning.
 
So did Donald Trump start off to raise his son up to be Q? Not likely. He may of raised him to be like Baron Trump in the book and much like himself, but I seriously doubt he had any notions of creating Q. So what did create Q? I’d highly suggest that to be three days in May of 2017. Leading up to that time the White House was often under siege by pink hats and anarchists, everything that the Democrats under Hillary Clinton’s direction could throw at Trump was sent to DC as well as Trump Tower in NYC to disrupt and if possible over turn the government and give it to her.  There are stories from the Trump family of looking out the windows in disbelief at the sea of people who came to angrily and sometimes violently protest them. Barron was there too. They thought they’d have a better welcome than that but were wrong. Then came three days in May.
The first was Kathy Griffin holding up the bloodied head of Donald Trump. Little Barron was smart kid, getting a good high class private education. Stories of what happened to the Romanovs were likely not unfamiliar to Barron, be they from his parents who often spent time with their son, a private tutor or his military body guard. 
 
The second date in May came with the appointment of the special counsel, Robert Muller.  This was the first solid indication that Donald Trump could be removed from the White House. Such news would not have escaped an inquisitive boy such as Barron Trump. The Mobs and now this were likely making for an unsettling time for all. 
The third was a bit different. A ray of hope in a dark storm. I have no indication if Barron attended his family to Saudia Arabia but even if he did not, you can bet he was allowed to keep close tabs on them. The event at the end of May that would of sparked his imagination was the visit to SA’s new intelligence center where Donald and Melania along with the leaders of SA gathered about that silver sphere with outstretched hands that sparked electricity as it brought up intel screens. 
 
Now all of Donald’s Trump family were engaged in their fathers defense. The only one not being seen doing anything was Barron. No one pays attention to the boy, but think not that a boy who loved his father and mother, who was being reared to be a problem solver like Baron Trump in the book was idle.  By the end of October of that year came the first message to the world from Q. 
So all that sounds a bit fanciful, but one should admit plausible. His body guards being in close contact with him may well have given him some ideas on how he might help as well as smarting him up on how to access the 4 Chan in a secure mode. Much latter they likely helped him with moving to 8 Chan after attempts to thwart Q by getting his access to 4 Chan banned where made. It should be notable that the new owner of 8 Chan was ex special forces and late in Donald Trump’s presidency made a somewhat controversial visit from the Philippines to DC in an effort to keep 8 Chan open.
 
We however have other telltale signs that Q was Barron Trump. There was an early one where Q forbid any one from profiting off of his posts. His aim was at a select group like James Corsi and Alex Jones but others as well, some even claiming to be Q or working for Q. Q sent out a strict and broad edict that no one is to profit from or misuse his posts in his name. This however came under immediate attack from his startled followers many of whom followed mom and pop type sites that made a meager living decoding Q posts. How could Q not understand the people who were supporting him needed this income to survive? That in my opinion was a mistake that a child would make. Q quickly back tracked and amended his original edict.
 
There was also the matter of Q’s syntax in the beginning which only improved over time Many noted he sounded oddly like Donald Trump and his military jargon was not quite up to snuff. However, these improved over time and if you noticed that, it may have been another indicator that the LARP was some one young and slightly inexperienced.
 
A large tell would be “Trust Wray, Trust Comey, Trust Rosenstein”.    The public was no longer trusting that. Too many indicators said not too, but Q kept saying such to the dismay of his followers. Didn’t he have inside intel that should of waved him off of that much earlier. So why? The likely answer was Donald himself, who held out hope to his son even after he was questioning those in public himself. When his father finally gave up on all hope for the three, eventually he had to level with his son, but Q was so far out on the limb with the three trusts that he lost face with community and stopped posting for a long period of time. 
 
Another long pause likely occurred when Melania finally figured out her son was Q. I doubt much she appreciated learning this, and being a hands on Mom Q may have well been forbidden to post.  Whatever the reason, Q was gone for another long stretch and near the end of that time Lionel, a Q talker with a radio show was invited to the White House to demonstrate trust with Q community and likely Barron as well. It was still some time before Q started to post again and it wasn’t long after there was the matter of Melania and the Coat. For me that was Melania fully accepting Q as her son. Some might wish to say that she did that on her own, but I’m thinking Barron had a hand in that and mom handled it like a pro. Of course the media mangled the message that was meant just for them, but such is expected as many of them act like berders.
 
Next comes all the small acts. The ones that could be construed as juvenile if you knew who Q was, but you didn’t so you just accepted them. Often these came as Q proofs, where Q demonstrated how close he was to the President. Everything from clues planted in X mas decorations, reflections in watches, the Ginger Bread Elevators, a whole host things in an effort to narrow the delta from the President’s actions to Q’s posts in an effort to show that Q was indeed close to the President. Even once to do Dark to Light, the room in one of the Presidents conference meeting with staff, went inexplicably dark.  Now who could of done that and got away with it? 
Now I say these small acts appeared juvenile, at least to me but I could see they also were serving a larger and rightful purpose at odds with a media that were doing their best beat down the conservative narrative, and it was working like a literal charm as it helped keep anons focused in rooting out information that exposed Democrats, the Clinton/Obama sects, Deep State and Cabal Crimes while putting a massive number of questioning eyes on the same.
 
Donald Trump’s own actions…
 
Q taunting the media seeking for them to expose him…. His need for exposure and credit….
Lastly back to the raid on Maro Lago. The FIB had to know Donald Trump was not hiding classified information in Barron’s room. Instead the FIB who very likely knew who Q was were searching the room in hopes that Barron himself had gathered and retained such information from his time as Q, that they could in turn use such against his father.  This also calls to light that Q stopped posting after Donald Trump left the White House another tell, be it fear the DOJ was hunting down the President or it was finally time for him to concentrate on his schooling.

I may at sometime rework this to make it more digestible and provide updates or other things that come to mind.

TheseTruths

Early sightings of apparitions could not have been man-made holograms (but that doesn’t necessarily confirm their validity). But today there is the capacity to produce holograms. It will be interesting if the statement to be released specifically addresses that issue. The article referenced at the top of this post does not mention holograms, but with advancing technology, I can see how they could be used to try to deceive people.

scott467

If I was to see an apparition, I must assume it is not of God, until or unless God proves otherwise. I don’t know how He might do that, but He does, so if He wanted to, He could.

If He doesn’t want to, then I must assume the apparition is not of God.

Very simple.

If someone else claims to have seen an apparition, I have no way of knowing what they saw. It’s a second-hand report, hearsay, which cannot be objectively confirmed.

So I must assume any such reported apparition is not of God, unless God chooses to prove otherwise.

Of course, if He was going to prove otherwise, why send a confusing and/or divisive apparition in the first place?

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scott467

God is not the Author of confusion. (cf. 1 Corinthians 14)

Where does Scripture say that God will send apparitions of Mary to continually confuse people, and stir up endless controversy?

It doesn’t.

Mary is clearly blessed, chosen by God to bear His Son, and as DP pointed out below (Luke 1:48).

It is unclear why anyone would pray to her, and I have found no example in Scripture to do so.

Later in Luke, there was a woman who referred to Mary, saying “Blessed is the womb that bare thee”.

Jesus redirected her to the Word of God, saying “Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”.

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“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.” (Luke 11:27-28, KJV)
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scott467

“Governments are capable of deceit as we all well know.”

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Governments are capable of nothing but deceit.

What governments are clearly not capable of, is truth.

They don’t even tell the truth about things they don’t need to lie about. Lying is so common to them, that to do anything else requires not only a conscious effort, but worse, telling the truth about anything risks exposing some other lie they’ve told.

para59r

Bakocarl has posted the Vatican’s new guide lines on our daily here.

https://www.theqtree.com/2024/05/17/dear-maga-tgif-open-thread-20240517/#comment-1278733

Below is a capture of what will be found at the above link as of the time of this post. Conversation currently being done on the daily. By the end of the night, will swing by and try to capture the comments from the daily and post them below.
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Wolverine

 May 17, 2024 12:48

Fernández: Vatican’s new apparitions guidelines stress ‘caution’ in discernment process
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257723/fernandez-vatican-s-new-apparitions-guidelines-stress-caution-in-discernment-process
comment image?w=670&h=447Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, presides over a press conference on Friday, May 17, 2024, on the Vatican’s new document on Marian apparitions. | Credit: Rudolf Gehrig/EWTN News
By Matthew Santucci
Rome Newsroom, May 17, 2024 / 11:03 am
Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández held a press conference on Friday addressing the Vatican’s new guidelines on apparitions, with the prelate noting that the new norms would help introduce greater prudence in the discernment process. 
“The Church has stated that the faithful are never forced to believe in this phenomenon. They are never obliged. There’s no obligation,” said Fernández, the head of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, during the conference at the Holy See Press Office on Friday. 
“The Church, as a matter of fact, leaves the faithful free to devote their attention to this phenomena or not,” he added. “Revelation that has already happened is the word of God. It contains everything we need for our Christian life.”
The document, titled “Norms for Proceeding in the Discernment of Alleged Supernatural Phenomena” and released on Friday morning, establishes new guidelines on Marian apparitions, abrogating a former document issued in 1978 under Pope Paul VI. 
Noting that these new norms establish a set of pragmatic guidelines to assist the local ordinary as well as the dicastery, Fernández said that “some phenomenon that could have a supernatural origin sometimes appear to be related to confused human experiences.” 
Speaking specifically on the role of the bishops in the process, the cardinal observed that there have been instances in which some bishops have issued decrees on apparitions saying these events “should be considered as being true” and that the “faithful must believe, shall believe in this.”
“Quite often the bishop’s decrees have used these words,” Fernández said.
He emphasized that these new norms will help bishops “have a prudential character so that the faithful can accept this in a prudent way.” 
“The pastoral action of the bishops and then situations can be very different and therefore we decided to have six possible conclusions,” he added. “If we look at history, at the different cases, we recognize different kinds of situations that can be basically located within these six possibilities.”
The new norms outline three stages for the discernment process. At the end of the evaluation process, the local bishop and a delegate he appoints to oversee the commission’s work are to prepare a “personal votum” in which the bishop proposes to the dicastery a final judgment. That decision will normally follow one of six formulas, one of which is the “nihil obstat,” a pronouncement that means there are no doctrinal objections.
“Without expressing any certainty about the supernatural authenticity of the phenomenon itself, many signs of the action of the Holy Spirit are acknowledged ‘in the midst’ of a given spiritual experience, and no aspects that are particularly critical or risky have been detected, at least so far,” the document states.
Drawing on biblical examples, Fernández noted that “right from the very beginning of the Church, the Holy Spirit itself, with charisms, promoted the necessary discernment of these manifestations. After 2,000 years, the Church still takes care of the faithful, helping them to be meek to the Holy Spirit.”
“These new norms are in continuity with this task,” he said.
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para59r

Captured and transported comments from the daily.

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 Reply to  bakocarl
 May 17, 2024 22:43

“Revelation that has already happened is the word of God. It contains everything we need for our Christian life.”
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I hadn’t anticipated that the Cardinal and prefect of the ‘Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith’ was going to teach and observe Sola Scriptura.
The implications are mind-boggling…

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Coyote

 Reply to  scott467
 May 17, 2024 23:09

😇

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Deplorable Patriot( Deplorable Patriot)Online

Coyote

 Reply to  bakocarl
 May 17, 2024 13:04

Basically, the current Curia wants to meddle in the discernment process potentially downplaying any messages that are meant to be shared.
It would be as if the last 400 years of apparitions with the warnings of what we are going through now never happened.

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Coyote

 Reply to  Deplorable Patriot
 May 17, 2024 22:46

“It would be as if the last 400 years of apparitions with the warnings of what we are going through now never happened.”
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Maybe they didn’t.
Psy-ops weren’t invented in the 2020s.

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Wolf

 Reply to  Deplorable Patriot
 May 17, 2024 14:22

BQQM.

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para59r( para59r)Online

Coyote

 Reply to  bakocarl
 May 17, 2024 16:02

Thankyou for the follow up.
DP appears to be correct, they are watering down the “discernment process”
Question people should be asking is why?
Are things extra ordinary soon to be happening or coming at a rate that exceeds what is historical?
What are they expecting?
Next to lastly is there a link to this story that allows comments that someone can share?
It would be interesting to see what others are saying.
Lastly some will likely be posting on the internets their take on this story so by all means post those stories as they appear if they seem interesting enough.
Carried your comment to the recent page “is it real or memorex”
https://www.theqtree.com/2024/05/16/is-it-real-or-memorex/#comment-1278782
Will try to remember to swing by at the end of the night and sweep up the comments to include them there.

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Wolf

 Reply to  para59r
 May 17, 2024 16:30

I keep thinking about those Red Heifers (from Texas) in Israel.

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Tonawanda

Wonderful post! TY, Carl.