“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This Steady As We Go Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world.
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Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Ivan Torrent, titled ‘The Awakening’:
There’s a party on the roof at the Treetop Fire Pit!
Come on up and warm your hands…and we can sharpen our swords and knives. The gloves are coming off, for our VSG and his team of hunter-killers.
Q said #FLYDANFLY#…which we can interpret to mean that Dan Coats will be leaving soon. If so, then…good! Was Dan Coats an impediment to DECLASS? …I’m thinking that he might have been.
We had a taste of Declass this past week, with the document that Q gave us. But we want Moar! The Great Awakening is happening…there is NO STOPPING WHAT IS COMING.
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Visual descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: There is a gigantic Tree growing up out of a cool marshy opening in a great forest. The trunk is covered with structures attached to the outside, which look like they are outcroppings of an intricate interior structure within the enormous Tree trunk. In a leveled-out area in the top of the Tree, there is a blazing fire in a fire pit, with several figures around it. Second Image: Cool green moss surrounds the rock steps leading up to a pointed-arch doorway. Weathered-looking arched doors with iron nail heads and large, ornate wrought iron hinges, come together within the doorway. There is a large carriage-style light fixture above the doorway, lighting the way. Third Image: Is an open lounge with a view, filled with comfy-looking couches and over-stuffed chairs. There are lanterns all around, on the tables, on the guard rails and on out of the way places on the floor. There is a round free-standing stucco fireplace, with a warm-looking fire crackling within it. Large branches serve as supports for the ceiling, with cross-branches forming the structure for the ceiling. Fourth Image: Is our President, facing down the press curs in one of his impromptu ‘chopper pressers’ on his way out to Marine One. He has a resolute, albeit slightly pained, look on his face as he listens to the stupid questions from the press curs.
Here we go, people. LAST CALL. I want to hear your FINAL PREDICTIONS.
Sessions. Rosenstein. Mueller.
White hat? Gray hat? Black hat?
To make matters even trickier, check THIS out….
Check the DATE on that puppy! Just after midnight this morning.
I mean – is that a REAL TWEET?
Yes, but things MAY or MAY NOT be what they SEEM – even TWEETS….
OR ARE THEY???
“Things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; the intelligence of a few perceives what has been carefully hidden.” – Phaedrus (Plato)
This Merry Warrior Monday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the KMAG-KAG! world.
Yes, it’s Monday…again.
But it’s okay! We’ll get through it.
Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Harry Lightfoot with Audiomachine, titled ‘The Light Between Us’:
Visual descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: Is President Trump standing next to Chairman Xi at the G20 Summit. Our President is smiling at Xi…but Xi is not smiling back. Instead, Xi has the look on his face of someone who is not happy at all with what our President is smiling about. Second Image: Is a moving image, a gif, of a polar bear with his head and shoulders down on the ice. He is pushing forward with his hind legs. He looks tired…but is pushing himself forward, even with his front half down on the ice. Third Image: Is a graphic of President Trump, giving a thumbs up with his right hand. The words, “Where We Go One”, are above his head…and the words, “We Go All”, are below his image. Fourth Image: President Trump is giving a salute to the Marine on duty at the entrance of Marine One, just as he is about to enter the chopper.
This Salute to Apollo 11 Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world.
Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Twelve Titans Music, titled ‘Elevate’:
Visual descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: Is a gigantic Tree, sitting on a hill in the middle of a group of buildings and homes. The Tree reaches up into the sky, it’s branches forming an enormous canopy. Underneath the canopy, there is a bright glow shining up from within the Tree. The canopy of the tree stretches out over all the structures below. Second Image: Is a rounded doorway at the top of a stone stairway, built into the base of an enormous Tree. The doors are glass and there is a bright glow coming from beyond the doors. There are plants, vines and vegetation on either side of the stone steps. Third Image: Is an open room with comfy-looking futons, a fluffy throw rug and large throw pillows on a gleaming wooden floor. There are glowing lanterns positioned around on the floor. Fourth Image: Is President Trump walking outdoors, with two secret service agents behind him. He is holding up his left arm out to his side, giving a wave with his hand.
This Make-It-So Monday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the KMAG-KAG! world.
Yes, it’s Monday…again.
But it’s okay! We’ll get through it.
We’re on a mission that started years ago:
Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Thunderstep Music, titled ‘Dare The Impossible’:
Visual descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: Is President Trump at a rally, standing at a podium with Trump supporters behind him, holding up signs. He is smiling calmly and about to speak. Second Image: Is a moving image, a gif, of a polar bear with his head and shoulders down on the ice. He is pushing forward with his hind legs. He looks tired…but is pushing himself forward, even with his front half down on the ice. Third Image: Is President Trump, back in 2011 at the White House Correspondents Diner, where he had to endure being viciously ridiculed by the jackals of the press corps. He is sitting there stoically with a look of resolve on his face. Fourth Image: President Trump is walking away from Marine One on the White House grounds. It is after dark and he is returning from a full day of appearances. Through the dark, in the distance is the Washington Monument lit up for the evening, with two beacon lights shining at the top of it.
This Saving Our Republic Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Ivan Torrent, titled ‘Human Legacy’:
Visual descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: A young lady warrior is standing in a field of tall grasses, looking over her shoulder at us. Behind her in the distance, an enormous Tree dominates the landscape. Her long white hair and the tall grasses, are blowing in the wind. Her dark green velvet embroidered tunic has a band of metal armor at the hips, which comes to a V in the front and back. She has metal armor on her shoulders and forearm, and the wind is blowing the long dark green cape that is attached at her shoulders. She is holding a sword in her right hand and in her left hand is a round metal object that appears to be giving off a soft blue glow.
The enormous Tree is in the valley below her and there are gigantic arched structures built into the side of it’s trunk. White birds are flying out from the Tree, towards us. A few small structures dot the landscape around the base of the Tree, along with a forest of smaller trees. Beyond the valley, there are rays of the sun casting light on the Tree and the warrior, as the sun emerges from a distant mountain range. There are white clouds moving through a blue sky. Second Image: A stone pathway leads up to tall double doors, built into the side of an enormous tree trunk. The doors are arched and covered in ornate carvings. There are a few small points of light in the doors, giving off a slight blue glow. Rays of sunlight illuminate the path in front of the doors. Third Image: Is a view of a large room with high ceilings. There are cushioned chairs and a sofa with throw pillows. Tree branches cris-cross the ceiling, with a couple of chandeliers fashioned from branches, suspended from the ceiling. There is a large stone fireplace with a tapestry hanging above the mantle. Fourth Image: President Trump is standing in front of a window in the Oval Office, looking out at the grounds. The view is of his back. His elbows are bent, with his forearms in front of him, perhaps they are crossed…or he is holding something.
NOTE: this post is mostly speculation. I am simply trying to explain why a RUMORED VIDEO could conceivably exist. Consider this an exercise in rationalization. However, the fact that it works so well, makes me think it’s not completely unfounded.
– Hillary is a terrible person.
– People wanted to take down Hillary, or have the means to do so.
– Apply AND logic.
Wolf Moon
A comment by Tonawanda got me thinking.
Actually, it was an entire conversation, but it begins with Tonawanda’s comment here:
As daughn’s lucky spouse and Perspicacious One has alluded to above, the descriptions in 3376 truly fulfill every indication Q has given us so far, to the nth degree. Game over.
My default response is, if its too good to be true, it probably isn’t.
And the added dilemma is the suffering endured weighed against the “too good to be true.”
Speaking about horrible truths…have any of you seen the post about the 3 videos, all featuring HRC? If true (and i’m 50-50 on it so far)…it follows the warning about not choosing to see or know some of the “stuff” out there. Videos include blood transfusion from a pre-teen directly to HRC, sexual escapes with HRC, Huma and young girl and one so awful I cannot mention it.
Of course, we know everything possible will be done to prevent the public knowing about these videos…if, in fact, they are real. Unless someone was secretly taking them for blackmail purposes, why would there be videos of these acts?
Curious if anyone else read about them….
IMO, with all that’s flooding out now (thankfully!)…there’s going to be a lot of disinformation and a wise course is just to “sit back and enjoy the show”, as someone once said.
As the plaintiff’s lawyer would say, “He’s got great injuries!”, because the poor guy is paralyzed. Gee, to us, it doesn’t look so “great” for his family.
If we’re headed down a road of sick torture and heinous behavior, by powerful people, one who could have been our President, it’s going to be ugly. Yet, it makes everything Q has eluded to begin to make sense.
For instance:
Some things will have to NOT be revealed.
They won’t be able to walk the streets.
You choose to look or not.
Many will not be prepared for what is to come, help your neighbors, prepare them, etc.
If we are truly fighting evil, then ours is a just cause and the cause of our lifetime. I’m trying to wrap my head around it all, probably everyone here is doing the same thing, and look downfield. There will be “evidence” in the form of videos, so shocking, powerful people will attempt to cover up the video and stop the spread of the videos. It would explain the recent actions of social media to censor or infer the videos are “faked” or edited. Many will be in denial – forever.
Yet, it could lead to a rebirth of morals, noble character.
It could lead to a rush to the church (for good or bad). it could be a good thing for all of us as a nation.
As horrific as we think these actions are, justifiably so, I fear some innocent people may get swept up. We’re talking about a LOT of powerful people, people in Hollywood, government, business……. all over the world. It could topple governments, lead to civil unrest, etc. We’re going to have to be very careful to keep people safe during this “transition”/outting of information. And again, the dot seem to connect. Trump supporter are already subliminally trained to NOT be physically aggressive. It’s going to take a LOT of temperance and patience.
Yet, it would be a good way for the judiciary to rehab themselves and regain credibility – again, the good which can come from chaos and upheaval.
And looking in retrospect, you can see all the careful planning, including the role of Q with respect to us, who will be very essential in explaining this to the normies.
It is an example when a person or persons give themselves willfully over to evil, it is called slippery slop for a reason when one enters the gray and keeps going down the path.
Once one goes down the path it is very hard to come back.
That is why one never should go into the gray and down the path.
We will never understand how one can get joy from the pain of others.
I was going to write a lengthy response to Tonawanda, but I now think that it’s better if I address this to everybody.
I will not beat around the bush.
I am going to assert that video 3 could very well be real, and I’m going to explain WHY I think it could be real. My very believable explanation, rooted in TRUTH by admitting that somebody “wanted the goods” on Hillary, undercuts all the “deep fake” escape attempts by Hillary and her minions, and simply puts an end to the nonsense.
I have not seen this video, but the description of it makes perfect sense if I factor in several things:
Hillary Clinton’s health problems
Hillary Clinton’s known obsession with hiding her health problems
Hillary Clinton’s known callous disregard for others
Hillary Clinton’s probable greatest vulnerability being health-related
Hillary Clinton’s probable use of secret/advanced elite medical treatments
Hillary Clinton undoubtedly being the target of discrediting operations
Combine ALL these elements, and I can explain video 3 to everybody’s satisfaction RIGHT NOW.
And – get this – it is exactly what Q says. Absolutely indefensible.
“A perfect discrediting operation remains fully discrediting even when one is fully aware that it was a discrediting operation.”
Wolf Moon
Think this happened by accident? Think again.
I’ve had multiple discreditation operations run against me over my life – it is simply normal, smart, spy-stuff to “own” everybody with a “destroy” button. Having watched how these work, I can state with great confidence that these ops generally work by padding 10% target vulnerability with 90% “normalization of the unthinkable in the target’s mind”. They are PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICKERY to get the target to commit to something “foolish on film”.
It is only after the failure of these sorts of methods, that really nasty methods (holding my cards on those for now) get deployed. Really callous adversaries, however, may go straight to other methods.
Generally speaking, there is some “primrose path” that is used to get the target to increasingly normalize (in their mind) something really odd. One of the primary ways is to simply “bubble” the person with people who “get it” – who understand that something is “normal” in the group of the “cognoscenti” – people who know – who can “encourage” the target.
Tom Cruise talking about Scientology on film is an excellent example. The man is AT EASE, and he talks in ways that only Scientology insiders talk. Everything he says makes sense, once one understands the lingo of Scientology. Nevertheless, it sounds like psychotic jibberish to an outsider.
Actually, the beautiful ideas of my favorite religions are kinda like that, when the people are talking among themselves in those belief systems, but I digress.
Back to bad stuff. Discreditation.
The “coup de grace” is then something which is “risky but admirable and confirming” within that group. And insider or two is typically needed to direct the target over the cliff and make sure the evidence is obtained.
What I’m saying, then, is that Hillary may have been VULNERABLE on “medical” and “health”, and that in some ways, this likely REAL VIDEO is tied to #HillaryHealth.
I believe that Hillary Clinton spent a LOT of time in “secret advanced elite medical world”. She managed to keep this all secret, behind her FAKE doctor, Lisa Bardack. But I think the reality was a kind of medical desperation, behind the scenes. It is within that world that she may have been very vulnerable – willing to try all sorts of weird “elite” treatments.
You see where I’m going with this?
Why is nobody talking about “Video Number One” – the BLOOD TRANSFUSION from a teen boy? Because this is ALREADY being normalized to the public.
Remember my “adrenochrome post”? That was the one where I talked about the underwhelming scientific reality of adrenochrome, as well as the overstated mythology, but also (very important) the shocking truth from the “drug world” and the “medical world” (almost the same thing) that people will still PURSUE LIES and thereby PAIN, CRIME, SADNESS, and EVIL EMERGES.
Don’t get too sidetracked here, but keep this thought in mind – the fact that people latch onto the mythology of adrenochrome so easily should tell you something right away about where discreditation operations look for vulnerability, and why they work so well.
The Truths, Lies, and Disinformation Surrounding a Mythical yet Very Real Substance
There is nothing more intriguing than an enigmatic character who defies political and cultural boundaries to tell great truths, yet mixes in just enough lies, fakery, shiny objects, red herrings, exaggerations and omissions to make himself or herself economically viable solely on their …
In that post, I brought up the reality of “young blood transfusions”. I noted in particular, the fact that these are now being discussed in the mainstream media, where they would have been laughed away as conspiracy theories just a few years ago.
Earlier, they said “young blood” didn’t exist. NOW they say it doesn’t work. See how that works?
Video One has been normalized. We may not like that, but it has become accepted as reality.
Hillary could probably almost survive a “transfusion video”.
Move on to Video Two. Pedophilia – it’s being NORMALIZED. There are many people who are IN POWER and who want to go back to the days of the Roman Empire, before Christianity, when powerful people abusing children for their pleasure was NORMAL.
Yes, it’s a huge retreat on civilization, IMO, but there are people who WANT IT, and they are trying to grab power to GET IT.
Nevertheless, we’re not there yet, and Video Two is discrediting. Elite pedophilia may be normal to our “New Roman” elite, but it is not normal to the masses, who still retain some say, thanks to TRUMP and populism worldwide. The elite media may try to normalize pedophilia, but it’s not exactly working.
And NOW we come to Video Three.
Part of this depends on one of Hillary’s vulnerabilities – her callous disregard for other humans.
THIS is part of the Hillary vulnerability, but it’s not enough. Hillary was hit hard by her callous disregard for Muammar Gaddafi, but Hillary’s media, vouched for by their loyalty to Obama’s skin color, was able to say “he’s a bad guy, so he doesn’t count”. And if we examine ourselves here for hypocrisy, then we see WHY this defense worked. We use it ourselves.
I’m not saying this is right. I’m just saying this is the reality of human psychology.
Pissing on a dead terrorist is OK. Pissing on a saint’s grave is not. Unless the media reverses that. See what I’m saying? MASS PSYCHOLOGY is what matters here, absent some higher standard.
But if we can EXTEND Hillary’s vulnerability to the INDEFENSIBLE – and I believe that somebody DID – probably her elite owners, who needed a “destruct button” – then she can be discredited by her callous disregard for humans.
ENTER ELITE MEDICAL TREATMENTS.
Is that light-bulb coming on now?
While it might, by some absolute miracle, be possible to explain one’s way out of “ultimate 10-years-younger facial mask treatment”, available ONLY to the best customers of “young blood”, there is NO WAY to explain one’s way out of “going all Gaddafi” over it.
THAT is the icing on the cake. The fact that humans – even the most CRUEL and CORRUPT ones like Hillary Clinton – would try to make light of something as a psychological defense, knowing in their heart of hearts that it’s pretty creepy.
CAUGHT. ON. FILM.
The beauty of the scam here is that young blood almost certainly WORKS, but not by much. Nevertheless, the combination of “works a little” and “placebo effect” undoubtedly scores MILLIONS OF DOLLARS for the purveyors of the “magic”. So it would not be hard to convince somebody that “direct application” works like crazy. It’s HOKEY AS HELL, but it’s a HELL OF A SCAM. People always fall for overly simplistic ideas like “direct application will work better”.
Oh, what a scam. I should have been a medical huckster. Except that darn Jesus getting to me when I was a kid. Sneaky, too – he knew I was too much of a smarty-pants for the whole package, so he sold me on the “God mystery” first, unlike all the other kids. Whatever. Water under the bridge. I could never be a true criminal, once that stuff got in me.
Sure, that poor girl’s face may have come from somebody whose body was “donated to science”. Sure, it may have been some quacky elite doctor who was actually part of a discreditation team, knowing it, or even better, not knowing it. Sure, you can add the whole story of discreditation operation truth to the sad vulnerability of a health-obsessed, pedophilic, entitled, psychopathic bull-dyke.
But there you have it. SUCCESS. They nailed Cankles on both of her vulnerabilities – her medical obsession and her utter disregard for people.
It doesn’t matter that these were FORCED ERRORS – they are still ERRORS.
Most Americans would not want somebody who used “youth blood transfusions” for President.
Almost nobody would want somebody who would have sex with teenagers as President.
Nobody wants somebody who would secretly undergo the absolutely most extreme, quacky, elite medical treatments.
And absolutely nobody, no way, no how, would want somebody who acted cavalier about the most sickening elite medical “treatments”.
Hillary fell for “young blood”, so they took her all the way to “young face”, and took pictures.
CORRECTION: In the piece, this writer wrongly posted that Lex Wexner is the founder of Victoria’s Secret. He is not. Wexner bought the store(s) from the actual founder and added it to his retail empire in the 1980s. The actual founder’s concept was that the retailer would be a place for men to purchase lingerie for their wives. Wexner turned the tables and marketed toward women.
What if it is all a big lie?
Just like the possibility that Ancel Keyes’s hypothesis about fat and cholesterol in the diet making humans fat is most likely not true across the board, what if the battle of the sexes, men vs. women as it is sold to the masses, is just a way to play with minds and souls of Americans to give up our bodies for something sordid.
And what if an Ohio born billionaire was one of the main people to push what amounts to the message that women dressing like a sluts gets you love in the bedroom if nowhere else (but could lead to something much more gratifying) on an unsuspecting American public.
In one of a series of posts on July 8, Q, the master of all things conspiracy related, told the readers to look into Les Wexner, the founder of Victoria’s Secret, and as it turns out, newly indicted sex hound Jeffrey Epstein’s main client when he ran a hedge fund. Wexner essentially gave Epstein his Manhattan “house” that used to be a school sometime back.
Looking at the basics on Wexner’s bio, he’s 81 as of this writing, but only married in 1993 to a woman 24 years his junior. The couple has four children. For a lot of men, that, we are given to understand, amounts to a successful life. He was also a registered Republican until last year. Wexner owns a yacht. On the surface, he’s your typical successful self-made man.
Prior to his marriage, Wexner went into the women’s clothing business starting with the mall chain store The Limited, and gradually added brands to his empire, corrupting more than one along the way. Iconic label Abercrombie & Fitch was one that went from what was classically all American preppy to juniors exposure clothes practically overnight after its acquisition.
Wexner’s label that most titillates, though, is “Victoria’s Secret,” a lingerie, foundations, and intimate clothing line that played off the idea that no one really had any idea what was under Queen Victoria’s high necked, black bombazine dresses that she wore in memory of her late husband with whom she had several children.
The woman obviously had a sex life. Why would she have not worn animal print and black lace without the world knowing?
The thing is, racy and lacy underthings, so long as they are covered, are really left up to the imagination. Victoria’s Secret, once they branched out into clothing, made women dressing on the provocative side seem normal.
And THAT is really not the American way.
It was at the time Vicki’s Secret rose to prominence, though, playing into the insecurities of American culture that were being exploited at a number of different levels of entertainment, and the self help industry, and thus, messaging to the masses. Women everywhere were more or less told dress like this if you want a man, and the love and security that is supposed to come with him. That goes hand in hand with the publication of The Rules in the 1990s which told the ladies to be creatures unlike any other, pamper yourself, play hard to get, and never accept a date for the weekend after Wednesday. (Later came the dating sites that promised love and a relationship, but were really disappointing meat markets with $24.95 a month membership fee.)
Women, supposedly being somewhat fashionable creatures who tend to travel in packs, and often need the approval of other women before making decisions, had already gone through the early waves of feminism, which former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov claims was a campaign foisted on the world to break up the family. The bikini had come into our lives when previously exposing that much skin was just not done. The early novels of the romance industry that revived in the 1970s were known to feature rape, and bodice ripping which was fine so long as the hero of the novel was doing the deed. Television and movies programmed stories of women who were divorced, and making it without a man. The message was it was okay, and marriage really didn’t matter.
All of this was tossed into a culture where girls are taught from the cradle to be proactive in protecting themselves from men. Hopefully.
Why? Because men are not to be trusted. They are only after one thing. (And the irony of rape supposedly being a female fantasy doesn’t strike anyone as odd. Unbelievable.)
Of course, this is not universally true, but it is contradictory to the Victoria’s Secret message: men aren’t going to want you if you don’t dress this way, well under your outside clothes anyway. (And now, women’s “fashion” includes full coverage of spandex that leaves NOTHING to the imagination, and the poor guys have to look at the ceiling to keep from being called perverts.)
What a mess.
So what does this have to do with Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner?
Epstein, anyway, is turning out to be the proverbial dirty old man the girls were all taught to avoid. He, and Wexner by virtue of the products he sells which includes the amazingly smelly Bath & Body Works, are part of an industry that feeds into the American notion of men vs. women, the perpetual war spurred by self help books and videos, how to guides, and other assorted information widely available for people looking for love in all the wrong places – and taking it really personally when failure occurs.
And what is really sad, the result is the sexes not trusting each other and when it comes to that it does not look like much is going to change anytime soon.
A few years back, a marketing researcher for the big names by the name of Clotaire Rapaille, a Frenchman, wrote a very interesting book about his research into the American market. His theme is essentially that the American culture is young, very young, compared to other parts of the world, and growing up is not happening at this point. We successfully export the products of youth, but really have not begun to mature as a culture. In his estimation, sex, love, and seduction translate to violence, false expectations, and manipulation in the United States. As Victoria’s Secret was one of his clients, that puts them as part of the problem, regardless of Rapaille explaining away the issue in chapter 3 of The Culture Code.
And the founder of Victoria’s Secret more or less bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein in the beginning.
No, this is not a deep dive on either figure in the pedogate scandal. The main point is to recognize that they are players in perpetuating the objectification and sexualization of females at all ages. These are dots that need to be connected in the process of the diving for more information.
This Steady As We Go Saturday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the KMAG world.
Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Thunderstep Music, titled ‘Unbroken Spirit’:
Visual Descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: Is a massive Tree growing up out of a deep canyon; the base of which has an intricate internal structure of several floors of large rooms with arched openings and long windows. A soft light is shining out from them. There are two suspended pathways, leading to the base of the Tree on opposite sides of the canyon.
There are streams of water falling magically off of the huge leafed-out branches of the Tree…cascading down into the canyon below. It’s as though the Tree itself, is the source of the water. The sides of the canyon are covered in lush, verdant tree growth…but none are as massive as the Tree growing up from the canyon.
In the background, the canyon ends and gives rise to a large green clearing that is covered with a stepped series of waterfalls, cascading down into the canyon. This is all surrounded by huge snow-capped mountains, reaching upward to the sun and clouds. The position of the massive Tree eclipses the sun, causing to it to be backlit…but the Tree’s branches are so densely covered in leaves, there is very little light showing through. Second Image: Is a cozy interior view of a stairway against the wall leading down into a large area with overstuffed chairs, a couch and soft lighting. There is a bannister made of winding tree branches. Throw pillows and throw rugs add to the comfy atmosphere. Third Image: Is President Trump with a solemn, quizzical look on his face.
This Merry Warrior Monday Open Thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the KMAG-KAG! world.
Yes, it’s Monday…again.
But it’s okay! We’ll get through it.
Free Speech is practiced here at the Q Tree. In fact, our host Wolfmoon encourages us to use it…and Enjoy it. “Use it or lose it”, he tells us.
But please keep it civil. Discussion of Q is not only allowed but encouraged. Imagine that! We can talk about Q here and not get banned.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
……………………………………………………………………….
For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from Audiomachine, titled ‘Godspeed’:
Visual descriptions for our dear Zoe, and for anyone else who may find them helpful: Header Image: Is President Trump outside of the White House, giving a little wave with his right hand. He is grinning with his head tilted slightly to the right. It is a bright, sunny day, so he is squinting a little. Second Image: Is a moving image, a gif, of a polar bear with his head and shoulders down on the ice. He is pushing forward with his hind legs. He looks tired…but is pushing himself forward, even with his front half down on the ice. Third Image: Is another moving image, a gif, of a dog laying down on a carpeted floor. His head is on the floor and he is looking forward with a patient look on his face, as an endless stream of kittens runs past his head. Fourth Image: President Trump is standing on the stairway outside the door of Air Force One. It is night time and the lights shining on him create a shadow of him on the aircraft door that looks like the head of an Eagle.
