DEAR KAG: 20210101 The Year of Justice

Wolf’s Pub is open and serving hangover remedies! When I bartended eons ago, the regulars always wanted a bitters cocktail to curb a hangover. I concur. A Bloody Mary with bitters was always preferred by customers. If you can’t bear the hair of the dog, I suggest strong coffee, a greasy breakfast and copious amounts of water.

From the article:

“A long, long time ago—1824, to be precise—a guy named Dr. J.G.B. Siegert gave the world the gift of Angostura aromatic bitters. The stuff was intended to be a medicine, but ended up becoming one of the most iconic cocktail ingredients on the planet. Today, bartenders still go for bitters when they want to make a good cocktail great—you’ll find them in an Old Fashioned, or a Manhattan, or a sazerac—but sometimes they also call on bitters for its original medicinal purpose. Or, sort of. It turns out that bitters make for a pretty solid hangover cure.”

Let’s get this civility thing out of the way first, shall we? New posters take note.

We shall be keeping it civil this first day of 2021! Respecting each other and giving the benefit of the doubt to all QTreepers will keep things in the right direction. If you want to let loose, here’s the UTree. Civility reigns.  Rules here if you need a refresher or are new.


2021 is coming in like a Lion! Thank you, President Trump, for being our political lion! Let the roaring begin!

It’s always a time to think back over the old year. One thing that sticks out most sorely to me, is that I didn’t know what I didn’t know. I thought I was pretty savvy. I figured I knew more than the average bear. Nothing was gonna shock me. Well, I was shocked.

I knew that we had a corrupt political establishment. I knew that our 3L agencies were squishy. I knew that our educational institutions had been usurped by leftists. I knew that the medical establishment was a mess. I knew that our religious organizations had become weak and watery.

I just didn’t know HOW DEEPLY all our institutions had been compromised and corrupted. I admit it.

I was shocked at a lot of what we learned in 2020. None of it is Old Hat yet. It still stings. And I suspect we are going to see a flood of information this year. Yes, it is going to be biblical.

I think 2021 is going to be a year in which cosmic things are exposed and in which cosmic things actually happen. Speaking of cosmic, here’s a new phenomenon of “ghostly circles” just discovered in the cosmos.

The ghostly ORC1 (blue/green fuzz) on a backdrop of the galaxies at optical wavelengths. There’s an orange galaxy at the centre of the ORC, but we don’t know whether it’s part of the ORC, or just a chance coincidence. Image by Bärbel Koribalski, based on ASKAP data, with the optical image from the Dark Energy Survey (https://www.darkenergysurvey.org). Image Credit: Author provided.

Here’s the Wikileaks site for your perusing pleasure. Cosmic ick.

Dr. Zev Zelenko was kicked off Twitter, so here’s his website with protocol and more. Cosmic good with this TRUE DOCTOR who first seeks to do no harm. God bless and keep him!

L. Lin Wood is fast becoming the go-to for incredible tweets. I suggest visiting his feed several times a day, since he is a copious tweeter. Cosmic Crazy Like a Fox! This one will be old hat by the time you read this post:

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1344652363861258243

Here Vox Day has a short post about Lin Wood. A nice taste regarding among other things the Nashville incident:

“Under the 2018 EO on voting integrity, President Trump will have the power to seize all the assets of the Fake News mainstream media once things start happening, because they have profited from trying to aid China in voter fraud.

He also points out there were reports of gunfire before the bombing, and that it is inconsistent with a lone bomber, and might indicate good guys killed the bomber before he positioned the bomb appropriately, and that is why the bomber failed to destroy the “evidence” he was trying to destroy.

Lin says he believes if the election is shown to be fraudulent, all down-ballot elections may have to be re-held.

President Trump will prove to be the greatest President in the history of the United States.”

The information warfare is positively cosmic!

We are counting down to January 6th, which will be WILD as our President tells us. Ali Alexander has been instrumental in organizing this event. He answered the call:

https://twitter.com/ali/status/1342666695245262857

I’m sure you have heard that the mayor of DC is making things hard on patriots. Closing down dining indoors, not allowing porta-potties in, and even closing down some DC hotels for the 5-7th of January? Wait – is she behind the de-scheduling of plane flights, too?

https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1344644925468512256

Do the political orcs think that will stop us? We have the right to be in DC and we will be in DC on January 6th! And speaking of toilets,

Walmart stepped in it.

Oh, Walmart and McMillion (who could make that name up?) are so deep up China’s back end that it would take an enema of cosmic proportions to evacuate that company from the dragon doo.

Yes, the evil being exposed in our nation (and the world) is of the Dragonish kind. The Smaug kind. The Apocalypse kind. The ancient kind that corrupts the soul and makes one forget all but Power and Gold and Self-satisfaction.

We see now how it has worked its evil on our leaders. Justice must come. The Cosmos demands it.

May 2021 be our Year of Justice.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum!

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Wolf Moon

Yeah, I think people realize that they have committed FELONIES if they certify this junk.

Wolf Moon

This is like certifying a BRIDGE with half-strength concrete. THINK TWICE about doing it.

ForGodandCountry

This happened yesterday.

Cuppa Covfefe

That makes me think of the Red Chyyyneeese built-bungled and bought span on the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, a WilliBrown™ erection with suspect concrete and even more suspect footings. Sort of like the DEMONRATS…

EQ Richter 7 or above will be the real Judge of the RedChinese structure…..

TheseTruths

Can you (or anyone) explain how all this might play out? We’ve been seeing increasing proof of massive election fraud since Nov. 3rd, but no one does anything about it. And people think Jan. 6th will decide who is president. But Pres. Trump tweeted that the fraud will be revealed on the 6th. I don’t know what the procedures are and how that would play out.

Are there mechanisms within the procedures that will happen on the 6th to allow evidence of fraud to be shown? Even if there are, I don’t think it would change Dems’ minds or votes. People seem to get very excited when more proof of criminality comes out, but if who is president is already decided, what good will it do?

Is the 6th not definitive? I don’t think it should be, but I don’t know what would happen if the fraudulent state electors’ votes are allowed to stand.

SteveInCO

As far as I can see, the 6th is absolutely definitive. The Constitution provides no recourse after that.

ForGodandCountry

I just demonstrated you don’t know what you’re talking about, so there’s that.

SteveInCO

Demonstrated?

No, you asserted it with no sauce.

ForGodandCountry

What, you can’t read the 20th Amendment for yourself? Moreover, I did attribute a sauce. Liar.

SteveInCO

Your sauce applied to appointing vacant senators.

ForGodandCountry

20 Amendment? Congressional Research Service?

Liar.

TheseTruths

That is why I see a disconnect. If there is no recourse despite the massive fraud, then why are people excited when new evidence comes out? It only makes things seem more hopeless than they are.

It’s as if we’re on a train that we know is going to crash, but we can’t stop it. We keep seeing videos of the unavoidable wreckage ahead, and then someone sends us even more evidence, but we can’t stop the train. Something needs to be done. The Constitution was not meant to allow the presidency and the country to be stolen.

SteveInCO

There’s only so much any constitution can do to provide a remedy in the event other remedies don’t work. They can’t write an infinite regress of remedies. There’s an implicit assumption that nothing CAN work if ALL of them are corrupt. Checks and balances are good if you have a corrupt (say) legislature and a clean judiciary; you use the judiciary to stop the legislature.

If they’re all corrupt, you’re screwed. And there’s NO way to write an impervious constitution, one that will work even if all the actors are bad. The founders knew this.

ForGodandCountry

Ridiculous pablum.

Just admit you don’t know.

It’s your only TRUTHFUL way out of the hole you’ve dug for yourself.

Wolf Moon

Indeed, this is straight out of programming. And by a CONFEDERACY of bad actors cooperating to break the system, owning a FRACTION of the system and a fraction of both the inputs and outputs, increasing control of the system is possible, until a critical value is reached where the legitimate users and owners CANNOT regain control from within the system.

The ChiComs have thought long and hard about this.

scott467

“That is why I see a disconnect. If there is no recourse despite the massive fraud, then why are people excited when new evidence comes out?”

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Because to a large extent (larger than I ever realized before the past few years), our reality is determined by what we believe.

I don’t mean we simply imagine or ‘believe’ something and it comes true, I mean in the sense that if, for example, a significant percentage of the population believes cheap paper surgical masks will prevent infection by a virus, that is going to have a profound effect on reality, and it is going to affect all of us, even those who don’t believe the hoax at all.

So what ‘We the People’ believe makes a difference — for better, or for worse.

So then, why is every new bit of evidence that comes out exciting?

Because it proves the truth, and it permeates the public consciousness, which affects what people believe, and if a significant percentage of the population comes to believe that Biden committed massive fraud and Trump actually won in a landslide (which also happens to be true, as opposed to the belief that masks save, which is false), then that ‘belief’ will likewise have a significant effect on our reality.

If only 10% of the population believes Trump won fair and square, then almost certainly, Biden would get away with the crime, absent direct military intervention.

But if 50%, or 60% or 70% or more of the population comes to the ‘belief’ that Trump won fair and square, by a landslide, that changes everything.

Because far too many people believe an injustice was done, and that injustice affects everyone, and it cannot (and will not) be allowed to stand.

Maybe it will require military intervention anyway, or maybe it won’t, but if it does, the military will have the support of a significant percentage of the population, i.e., all those who believe Trump was robbed.

So every new bit of evidence that comes out, increases the percentage of the population who knows the truth, and that knowledge, in turn, effects our current and future ‘reality’.

👍

Hoofhearted

I would get really annoyed every time new corruption was revealed and nothing was ever done about it, until I got sick of hearing about it and lost hope. However, just reflect on the corruption very close to POTUS and that would not have been as visible had he acted earlier. The election has shown those closest to him and where their loyalties lie. Using a similar approach going all the way thru VSGTrump’s term has revealed all the players and set the stage for the ability to cut off the head of the evil serpent right now. I don’t think most people realize just how close to destruction the US is and the scale and scope of the list of traitors.

The real question is, can you deal with the results?

“For the eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His” 2Chron.16:9.

Watch the first arrest and hang on.

scott467

“The real question is, can you deal with the results?

“For the eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His” 2Chron.16:9.”

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Amen, may the truth set us all free 👍

scott467

“It’s as if we’re on a train that we know is going to crash, but we can’t stop it. We keep seeing videos of the unavoidable wreckage ahead, and then someone sends us even more evidence, but we can’t stop the train. Something needs to be done.”

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Excellent analogy… I’m very partial to analogies myself 😁

Evidence proves truth, and truth makes things real, and reality is a very powerful weapon.

The tracks are blocked ahead, and without enough evidence of the power of the train, the people inside the train believe it will crash and everyone dies.

But the more evidence that comes out, the more the passengers believe in the power of the train, the more real and solid that train becomes, and the faster it goes.

When the train reaches and surpasses the necessary mass (solidity of belief, knowledge, understanding) and speed (momentum), instead of wrecking, that train will blow right through the blockage up ahead, without even slowing down.

The People, having been sufficiently awakened with the knowledge of truth, will not be denied. 👍

The enemy cannot get away with the theft if too many people know they stole it.

The people who know won’t go along with it, and if the people who know are a majority, or even close to it, then the thieves are finished.

If too many people know the truth, the enemy’s narrative collapses.

Too many people know the truth already.

So (effectively) it’s already over, we have already won, because the People can’t ‘unsee’ the truth, once they’ve seen it.

And every day the number of people who know the truth only grows larger 😁

Hoofhearted

When Courts or State Hearings won’t listen or act and the State Legislators certify a false slate,the VP has opportunity to intervene. Watch changing that profile happening now. And get to DC en masse.

anonymoushorse

Q has stressed the word “knowingly” in the context of criminal guilt. If incontrovertible evidence of election fraud is presented to Congress, and Congress still persists in awarding the election fraudulently to Biden, it seems to me that they would become accessories after the fact to the crime of treason. Just my thought, I have no expertise.

Wolf Moon

I agree! IMO everybody who goes along with this scandal commits a CRIME.

Wolf Moon

All this TREASON happened AFTER Obama and DURING Trump.

scott467

“As far as I can see, the 6th is absolutely definitive. The Constitution provides no recourse after that.”

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Fraud vitiates everything.

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=35491

“Let’s be very clear about the 2020 election outcome: “FRAUD VITIATES EVERYTHING”.

Posted on November 8, 2020 by State of the Nation

“FRAUD VITIATES EVERYTHING”— United States Supreme Court* “Vitiates” in a legal context means negates, quashes, annuls, invalidates, revokes and abrogates

“Fraud vitiates everything.” That enduring opinion was the crux of the landmark decision handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court in the above referenced case of the United States versus Throckmorton.

Ipso facto, the outcome of a POTUS election that is rife with one-sided fraud and criminality is rendered null and void.  Especially any result which saw the winner attain his or her victory through fraudulent means and/or criminal conduct is automatically canceled and invalid under the law.

The same U.S. Supreme Court ruling also determined that fraud vitiates contracts. An election is essentially a binding contract between the electorate and the elected. This indispensable social contract is irreparably broken through voter fraud and election cyber-crimes as the public trust is profoundly violated.

The transparent Democrat-directed election theft of 2020 has rent asunder the sacred covenant between the elected and the electors. Hence, Joe Biden’s illicitly declared victory is illegitimate and therefore annulled forthwith.

The Biden-Harris ticket has also forfeited any right to a recount or a re-run of the election because of their highly organized and premeditated fraud perpetrated to outright steal it. Remember, fraud vitiates everything.

As more details of this unprecedented vote fraud and election theft are brought to light, the Tump-Pence ticket appears to have won by a landslide. The fraudulent Biden wins in the battleground states were actually stolen from Trump, so the result is reversed but by much more than the bogus vote tallies indicate.

President Trump is, therefore, the victor of the 2020 POTUS election by default…by law…and according to the U.S. Constitution. By every indication, his electoral triumph was sealed by the will of a great majority of the American people.

Which means the President now enjoys a HUGE mandate to not only govern in an unobstructed manner, but also to expeditiously implement his urgent MAGA agenda.

— SOTN Resident Legal Counsel

Conclusion & Caveat
This crucial declaration is actually an extremely important notification. It has been released for the benefit of each and every attorney in the USA working on the “Trump v. Biden” case. While most of those state lawsuits focus on the minutiae of Biden’s election theft, it’s critical that the President’s lawyers not lose site of the big picture presented here.

While it is essential to ferret out the facts of the Democrat’s election crime spree across the country to legally prove fraud, at the end of the day, all that matters is that “fraud vitiates everything”. Everything else is a distraction.

In other words, once any or all those intentional frauds have been proven in court, whether by judge or jury, the so-called Biden victory will be vacated for all time. Once the Democrat’s nationwide criminal enterprise has been established via successful lawsuits — even by ONE litigation — Donald Trump ineluctably wins the 2020 POTUS election.

The U.S. Supreme Court has set a loud and clear precedent ruling that “fraud vitiates everything”.  The President’s attorneys and all involved law firms need to be acutely aware of this SCOTUS decision that was handed down in the landmark case UNITED STATES v. THROCKMORTON (98 US 61 – Supreme Court 1878); and which emphatically stated that “fraud vitiates everything”.

[1]
In light of this vital information, which could very well dictate the final outcome of the 2020 POTUS election, SOTN respectfully requests that this legal analysis be posted and sent out far and wide. Please disseminate this urgent notification especially throughout the Patriot Movement’s legal community—thank you!

State of the Nation
November 8, 2020

Source:
[1] UNITED STATES v. THROCKMORTON”

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SteveInCO

OK.

What happens if no one in power is willing to see the fraud? Fraud, to vitiate, has to be recognized as fraud by someone who can rule that it just vitiated something. (In most cases this would be a judge; I imagine in this case you have something else in mind.)

TheseTruths

That’s my question, too. Who is going to rule that there was fraud? To my knowledge, no one has, yet.

ForGodandCountry

Wait…..Steve doesn’t KNOW?

B…bu…but he a Constitutional EXPERT!!

TheseTruths

Can you answer my questions? Several people have posted “fraud vitiates everything” over the past few weeks, which is good and all, but can you describe how that would work, in concrete terms?

ForGodandCountry

Of all the possibilities that exist, how could I possibly know the exact path events will take? I don’t know that even the President is certain sure at present. Dynamic strategy.

I’m not the one claiming to know everything. Steve is.

Oh, wait…

TheseTruths

 how could I possibly know the exact path events will take?

I’m not looking for exactness, just possible scenarios of how “fraud vitiates everything” would work. I see you named some below.

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SteveInCO

Yep, that’s the point that people who pull the “fraud vitiates everything” magic card fail to acknowledge.

para59r

The courts have not ruled on evidence. They have abdicated to congress. Or congress can feel they have abdicated it to them. The fight looses it’s legal protection and becomes rhetorical as it gets taken up on 6 Jan. That’s the way I see it.

scott467

“What happens if no one in power is willing to see the fraud?”

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Excellent question!

Who is the ultimate power in America?

Who founded the country, and created the Constitution which in turn authorized and prescribed the creation of the government, which in turn carried out the election process?

Is it not We the People — unlike almost every (or maybe any) other nation on the planet?

I realize this is a blind spot which some people simply cannot see, and will not see, for whatever reason, until they gain an understanding of the inherent rights and power of the individual in our system, as opposed to the power of the government, which by design is subservient to us, NOT lording power over us.

Many people cannot see that, understandably so, because they have never lived or experienced anything other than the tyranny we live under today.

I live under the same tyranny, and have, all of my life.

I have never experienced anything else either, I have never experienced even a hint of the freedom described to me in textbooks and school classes growing up.

But I know that our Founding Fathers did not live with the boot of the government they created on their necks, as we do today.

They fought a revolution, risking all, to escape that tyranny. Did they, in turn, create a system just like it, in every way, only a thousand times worse, to replace it?

Of course not.

But by conditioning, many can only relate to the system as the Master, and themselves as the servant, instead of the other way around.

I can’t fix that incorrect paradigm in a few blog posts.

I wish I could.

You have no idea how much I wish I could!

And yet I’m compelled to try.

If the government fails (literally, if the government is ‘broken’ by corruption), in America, the People are still Sovereign.

The government only has power and authority by the CONSENT of the governed.

If the governed WITHDRAW their consent, the comparatively tiny number of people in positions of power and authority in the government have no lawful power.

CONSENT of the governed.

No CONSENT = No power.

Our Founding Fathers understood this, they are the ones who, after fighting a revolution to escape the tyranny of King George III, created a government with checks and balances with the expressed intent to prevent a tyrannical government from ever destroying the lives and freedom of We the People.

And if those checks and balances should ever fail, for any reason, at any time at all, then We the People retain the ultimate Power and Authority — we do not submit to the treachery of a lawless and corrupt government!

………………
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” – Declaration of Independence

The ultimate Sovereignty of We the People was also recognized by President Abraham Lincoln:

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.
 
Abraham Lincoln, inaugural address, March 4, 1861
………………

If the government was above the People in power or authority, how could We the People have any right or power or authority to abolish or to dismember or overthrow the government?

We could not.

But we do have that power and authority, ergo, We the People must necessarily be higher in power and authority than the government that was created to serve us.

Which only makes sense — whether any of us have ever actually experienced it in practice, or not.

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SteveInCO

All true.

My point has been, as we’ve had these conversations, that the remedy you are talking about is to STEP OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTITUTION. Because the number of layers of remedy under any constitution must be finite (even a good government is useless if it cannot make a “final” decision) when you run out, your choices are to shut up and take it, or take things into your own hands. The system has failed.

But the warning is you have now become an outlaw, and people sworn to uphold the constitution that just failed, are duty bound to smack you down. You’re following the DOI here for your justification (because there’s no constitutional justification), but people don’t swear oaths to the DOI.

anonymoushorse

The coup plotters have stepped outside of the Constitution. If it can be proved that they have conspired with an enemy nation, then they become enemy combatants and/or spies.

scott467

I replied above, where the column width is wider 👍

Wolf Moon

This is a good way to look at it.

The DECLARATION is the CATCH statement around the CONSTITUTION BLOCK.

scott467

“Fraud, to vitiate, has to be recognized as fraud by someone who can rule that it just vitiated something. (In most cases this would be a judge; I imagine in this case you have something else in mind.)”

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If the institutions of the government — created by, of and for the People — are become CORRUPT, how can We the People appeal to these selfsame corrupt institutions for justice or adjudication?

Your father is the highest Authority in your house, a sprawling estate and mansion, with hundreds of acres of property.

Out of an abundance of care, love and caution, your father creates a Trust, in which, should anything happen to him, you, his Son and heir, shall have your immediate needs for food and shelter met, and your education provided, and he hires Managers to run the estate and manage the Trust and to adjudicate, with fairness and honesty, all controversies that might arise in the event of his absence, always maintaining the highest fiduciary obligation to serve the best interests of you, the heir.

Sadly, one day your father passes away.

The Managers then attempt to usurp your Father’s authority, blatantly violating both the spirit and the letter of the Trust, physically throwing you off the estate, and taking your inheritance for themselves.

Who is the Master of the house? Who is the rightful heir, and who is the employee of the Trust, who has become a wicked servant and unjust steward?

If the Managers hired by your father turn on you and steal your inheritance, if they have usurped your father’s will and intention and authority, do you appeal to the same corrupt Managers to adjudicate their usurpation?

Are they not conflicted?

Would they not laugh at your attempt and rule against you perfunctorily?

In the absence of the rule of Law, in a system where the institutions of government are wholly corrupted, do you appeal to them for redress of grievances?

Do you appeal to a Thief to return your goods?

And if you do, do you have any expectation that he will do so?

The Constitution was created by OUR fathers, for OUR benefit.

Our fathers created a Trust in which managers would be employed to manage the affairs of State. They created three co-equal branches in the Trust, with checks and balances, to prevent the ever present temptation of power and wealth from overcoming the People, from turning the power of government against the People.

And it worked for a time, but time was on the side of the corrupt, and year by year, decade by decade, the corrupt and their lawyers picked away at the checks and balances, continually writing laws and statutes and codes which usurped power and authority to themselves, and took the same away from We the People.

After 231 years of constant usurpation, our country today would be practically unrecognizable to our Founding Fathers.

The managers have proven themselves not just corrupt, but far worse.

Not only have they beaten many of us, the rightful heirs, but have they not killed many of us also, and do they not continually seek ever more wickedness against us?

Has this not happened over and over again?

Finally, as many prepare to go to Washington D.C., to confront these unjust stewards and wicked servants, do they not hear of it, and say to themselves, These are the heirs; come, let us kill them, and let us seize their inheritance? (cf. Matthew 21:38)

Isn’t that, functionally, what is really going on?

What shall the rightful heirs do to these wicked servants?

Shall the heirs appeal to the court which is overrun by these same wicked servants?

Shall the heirs appeal to the congress, which is likewise (if not more so!) overrun with these same wicked servants?

Or shall the heirs righteously and miserably destroy these wicked men?

Who is the highest power and authority?

If it is the wicked servants in the corrupted institutions, then may our chains sit lightly upon us.

But if it is We the People who are the highest power and authority, then what need have we to appeal to these same thieves and robbers, to plead our case before them, asking these wicked servants to give back our inheritance — which of course they will never do?

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para59r

Except it does not have to be finished on the 6th. This can go all the way up to the wire if the conventional approach is followed.

Here’s how. Remember there are 140 house members saying they will object. Just that alone could result in 240 hours of debate if they coordinate their objections. Multiply that by how many fraud states and they could still be at this in the Month of February. IMO This needs to be pushed hard. While this debate rages Trump has time to fix things and lower what booms need lowering.

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SteveInCO

That’s true.

The process starts on the 6th. I’ve been shorthanding it. That process is definitive.

But one thing I found in researching the daily for Saturday is that the law says that ALL of the objections to one state’s ballot MUST be considered AT ONCE. We don’t get to keep objecting to, say, Arizona, over and over again. We have to raise ALL of our objections, THEN they break up and kick it around.

para59r

This is why a congressman must make a unique appeal in his or her objection. The unique appeal must be debated. Or am I wrong.

SteveInCO

As I read section 15 of title 3 (which I quoted in my daily), all of the objections to a state must be made before the joint section breaks up.

Please! Read me and check me.

para59r

Yes, all objections must be made on the 6th. No question. Then the break out of both the Senate and the House go to resolve all of the objections, state by state however long that takes.

Yipes.. always gets caught here when its 12 on the east coast and only 1140 here. Must be worse for you in the Mountains.

para59r

I’m heading over. Just needs to finish reading here.

SteveInCO

Yeah, to me it’s still Friday, I have to remind myself it’s “saturday” on the board. Or similarly, every evening.

para59r

And are you saying “at once” means only 2hrs? That will not fix every objection. I can’t see that, but I can see them try to strong arm it to mean that.

SteveInCO

“Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision;“

(from the law in question.)

scott467

Replying here instead of below, to take advantage of the greater column width:

SteveInCO: “My point has been, as we’ve had these conversations, that the remedy you are talking about is to STEP OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTITUTION.

Because the number of layers of remedy under any constitution must be finite (even a good government is useless if it cannot make a “final” decision) when you run out, your choices are to shut up and take it, or take things into your own hands.

The system has failed.But the warning is you have now become an outlaw, and people sworn to uphold the constitution that just failed, are duty bound to smack you down. You’re following the DOI here for your justification (because there’s no constitutional justification), but people don’t swear oaths to the DOI.”

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Okay… thanks to your persistence, and points, I think I’ve got it.

The summary at the end is a little repetitive, but I’m out of time to edit it further, and I didn’t want to wait until this afternoon to reply.

I think I have come up with a workable solution that fits within the Constitution, no matter what happens on January 6th.

Maybe not as cleanly as some would like, but more cleanly than Lincoln did (I think). If DJT does better than Lincoln did, that will be more than good enough.

And you know how he likes to do better than anyone before him 😁

Since DJT did not choose the military option in January 2017 — which I believe would have been fully within his Authority to have done — I am persuaded that DJT means to conclude the saving of our Republic within the parameters of the Constitution, rather than going outside it.

In other words, if he was going to go outside of the Constitution, why wouldn’t he have done so already?

After all the hell our country has been through doing it the hard way, the long way, it would seem a waste to go outside the Constitution now.

So how can he do it, when the Judicial Branch and the Legislative Branch are in a death match struggle against him?

The Judicial Branch already had their chance. They believed it served their own interest and the interest of the enemies of our Republic to refuse to see the evidence of massive election fraud, believing their dereliction of duty would frustrate the President’s effort to obtain justice.

So obviously, We the People (and the President) cannot appeal to this same corrupt Judicial Branch for remedy of election fraud a second time. The Judicial Branch is part of The Great Treason.

That Branch, until restoration, is kaput.

On January 6th, I will be surprised if we don’t discover that the Legislative Branch is likewise kaput. Everyone knows they’re corrupt, it’s on display 365 days a year. On the 6th, they may end their relevance, in a similar fashion as the Judicial Branch has already done.

Which is fine, it won’t matter either way.

If the Legislative Branch declares Trump president-elect on the 6th, if they actually do the ‘right’ thing, We the People win, and Trump wins.

If the Legislative Branch declares Biden president-elect on January 6th, that is also fine.

If Biden is declared president-elect, DJT might give the enemy 24 hours to celebrate, to tire themselves out, and then ‘declass’ and expose everything, delivering a devastating reversal of fortune that would catch the enemy completely off-guard.

Either way, whether DJT or Biden is declared president-elect, DJT would presumably move quickly to ‘declass’, in order to take advantage of the remaining 14 days to prove massive election fraud in a military court, televised, so the whole world can see the proceedings.

If Trump is declared president-elect on January 6th, having a military court examine the evidence and render a decision before inauguration day satisfies friend and foe alike that DJT won in a massive landslide; and if Biden is declared president-elect on January 6th, the military court examination of the massive election fraud would meet the need to satisfy the legal maxim “fraud vitiates everything“.

So either way, it would make sense for Trump to give a national address on January 7th, exposing everything, and sending the election fraud evidence to a military court for immediate review.

The reaction of the American People to the ‘declass’ revelations will be overwhelming relief that DJT has saved the day (and the Republic), followed immediately by public fury boiling over at the traitors, as the American People learn just how evil the enemy is and how close the enemy was to snatching our Republic out from under us.

As the evidence overflows in DJT’s presentation, regular American democrats won’t be spilling into the streets to riot, they will be hiding in shame and trying to remove any evidence that they ever supported Joe Biden from anything that could be associated with themselves.

I expect DJT’s presentation to reveal that China has committed multiple Acts of War against the United States, in collusion with hundreds (thousands) of American traitors, both democrats and republicans, and it will likely be the foreign element which DJT uses to invoke military tribunals, in which all of the traitors would be tried.

Revealing the CCP’s involvement would also mean we are technically at war with China, similar to the Cold War we had for decades with the Soviet Union.

I think the evidence will show that the CCP and associated international bad actors have similarly corrupted the governments of nearly every Western nation, and as those governments fall and are replaced with nationalist governments, China will be economically isolated from the entire world, becoming a pariah state, possibly (hopefully) spurring an uprising of the Chinese People against the tyrannical CCP dictatorship, ending that regime.

If DJT reveals that a foreign adversary committed an Act of War against the United States, with the Treasonous participation of hundreds (thousands) of American citizens in government, Big Tech, MSM, etc., then trying these people as enemy combatants in military tribunals will be entirely appropriate.

Adjudication of the massive election fraud would likewise effectively be handled by military tribunal. President Trump should have comprehensive evidence to not just prove the massive fraud, but also to prove the legitimate and true vote totals on election night, before counting was stopped on November 3rd in the fraud states.

So no matter what happens on January 6th, DJT may hold the ‘declass’ presentation to the nation the following day, and then proceed as above, giving a military tribunal 12 or 13 days to adjudicate the massive election fraud, at which point DJT is lawfully declared the winner of the 2020 election, and lawfully sworn in on January 20th.

I don’t think any of the above would reasonably be described as ‘outside the Constitution’.

Further, it is not lawful to turn the government over to a puppet regime of a foreign adversary. It would be an act of Treason to do so, and I don’t believe the military would allow it, even if DJT wanted to, which of course he doesn’t.

Bearing in mind that it is the military (M.I., military intelligence, specifically) that is briefing the president daily on the enemy’s actions, not the other way around.

So the President does not have to persuade the military about who the enemy is, or persuade the military to support him in his effort to save the Republic, if it even comes to that; in fact, it must be the military that is pulling this whole thing off — because if not them, then who?

There is no one else with the capability to have done this… 😁

The Constitution will be preserved, whole and intact, despite two of the three Branches of government being utterly corrupt.

Whichever way January 6th goes, Trump wins.

If Pence declares DJT president elect, it makes sense to do ‘declass’ the next day, to totally defeat the enemy within, causing them to go into hiding instead of out in the street in protest.

Arrests can be made at any time then, but maybe DJT allows the traitors 24 hours to turn themselves in, to escape instant justice from We the People. They won’t be able to walk the streets, or anywhere else — that’s for sure!

DJT could also immediately have a military court review the evidence of massive election fraud, and televise the entire thing, so the whole world would know without doubt that DJT won the 2020 election in the most massive landslide in American history, and know it before inauguration day.

And if Pence declares Biden president-elect on January 6th, it also makes sense to play the ‘declass’ card the following day, crushing the elated enemy’s spirit, and send the massive evidence of election fraud to a military court, with nationally televised proceedings, so that a lawful court — with the eyes of the whole world watching — proves massive election fraud, satisfying the legal maxim ‘fraud vitiates everything‘, which “negates, quashes, annuls, invalidates, revokes and abrogates” any previous declaration of Biden as president-elect.
No matter what happens January 6th, the Constitution is upheld.

Either way, Trump wins.

Either way, we finally get ‘declass’.

Either way, the massive election fraud is proven in a lawful court.

Either way, the traitors within will turn themselves in to save themselves from the public.

The celebration is going to be MASSIVE, unlike anything we’ve ever seen 😁

Hoofhearted

Not only do they recognize it but, theynow see that they may be prosecuted for it…..and they deserve to be …. every single person.

SteveInCO

OK, now I’m back to having the “forever saving” nonsense going on.

I just made a few tweaks…who knows if they’ll show up.

SteveInCO

OK, I think I got it unstuck.

Wolf Moon

Grandma has had massive trouble. I can finish anything that doesn’t go. We use Gab PMs to rapid-fire converse.

SteveInCO

Yeah, I just added some more headers, and a bit about Pence in red, since AFTER I wrote it, I started seeing the rumors.

SteveInCO

It seems clear you have VASTLY more difficulty with the system than I do.

I’ll be done, put it aside, then go back in to reread it (I spot goofs that way), only when I try to fix them does it go into this perpetual “saving” mode. I can usually just reload the page, then accept the “more recent” draft and it’s OK, but it’s scary for a while there.

Wolf Moon

Looks good – I previewed. Looks almost done – right?

SteveInCO

Basically it can go as is.

Unless I think of a coin, or something.

Wolf Moon

Indian Head Penny! I loved them as a kid!

Wolf Moon

It’s a “RED PENCE!” But shine them up and they look like GOLD!!! 😉

SteveInCO

And lose most of their collector value!!!

Wolf Moon

I know. But I had a LOT of them as a kid! Easy to shine up the worst one!

SteveInCO

It’s a good thing, as kids, we don’t get the good stuff.

Wolf Moon

AMEN. I remember not liking coins in cardboard holders that I could not touch.

And then I learned to put away childish things! 😀

SteveInCO

You’d be amazed at how many adult collectors hate slabs for that reason.

Hoofhearted

The Courts are corrupted and no Court has the kahoonas to take the question. The nature of the suits filed required that it came from an party who had experienced injury. And that the Court would be able to fix the injury. Starting from the SCOTUS and working downward they have all used the excuse that you can’t file before harm or injury is done and if you file once the harm is done, that have said that it is too late to fix the injury to you. So there is no standing.

It would be interesting if added to all the other changes that will come that Trump is able to replace Chief Justice Roberts and one other Justice. That would make 5 appointed by DJT. Watch the VP position now.

scott467

“Starting from the SCOTUS and working downward they have all used the excuse that you can’t file before harm or injury is done and if you file once the harm is done, that have said that it is too late to fix the injury to you. So there is no standing.”

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We need to remember to use that when these animals try to appeal their death sentences.

They can’t appeal before they are executed because no harm or injury is yet done, and if they appeal after they are executed, it’s too late to fix the injury.

So they have no standing to appeal.

Sorry ’bout your luck, we’re just doing to you the way you taught us courts are supposed to work 👍 😁

I hope they get a lot of lawyers with that — at their execution, they will appreciate the irony more than anyone.

Except maybe me… 😂 🤣 😂

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Hoofhearted

hahaha …their only option should be to choose between hanging or firing squad.

Marica
Gail Combs

Well L. Lin Wood is a lot more fun.

(I can picture him as a firebrand preacher electrifying his congregation.)

Marica

Gail!! He’s our carnival Barker!!! And….We gonna see some Shit hit the fan!…..SOON!!! Happy New year Gail!!

SteveInCO

OK, now all the indications of how many comments there are only show “1.1K” Does it round up, down, or to the nearest hundred? Leonidas might want to know.

Wolf Moon

Looks like it’s rounding. 1098 when I checked!!!

SteveInCO

LOL Leonidas will have to be up to you then.

Wolf Moon

He remains inscrutable. His response to “If it gets close, should we call you?” was simply “If.” 😉

SteveInCO

LOL

Cuppa Covfefe

Leonidas is making an asymptote of himself… 😀

(Putting the Cartesian before the Hoares…)….

Valerie Curren

or before the Whores!

CMinTN

It still shows on the main page where all the articles are.

SteveInCO

Oh, good!

ForGodandCountry

By the by…..in case anyone is interested….and CONTRARY to what someone has been insisting is true re: line of succession….

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The 20th Amendment says terms of senators and representatives end at noon Jan. 3. If a federal election were delayed, then no vote would take place to reelect or remove Pelosi from office. She, too, would have to step down from her position.

In this case, the president pro tempore of the Senate would assume office as president. Currently, that person is Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

But there’s more.

If no federal election took place, Pelosi wouldn’t be the only member of Congress to leave office. There were 35 senators up for re-election and if they were all removed without any successors, the 100-member Senate would just have 65 members, leaving Democrats with a 2 seat majority.

Moreover, a Congressional Research Service report, “Continuity of Government,” says that in the case of a Senate vacancy, depending on state law, governors may make a temporary appointment until an election can be held. That means vacant seats formerly held by Democrats could be filled by Republicans, or vice versa, depending on a governor’s pick.

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Really, some people should dig a little deeper in their research before adamantly claiming they know they are right.

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SteveInCO

Really? You’re calling me wrong because I failed to account for an event that didn’t actually happen (no election of the house of representatives)?

What are the chances that Pelosi will not be re-elected Speaker of the House on Sunday? Greater than zero, sure, but slim.

Of course there’s always a chance something wonky will happen. She could drop dead between now and then, for instance. Or some other Democrat succeeds in unseating her. But as of this instant, she’s third in the order (unless Pence is actually out, in which case she’s second). On the Sixth, it’s likely she’ll be third.

If there is no speaker, then the order of succession is followed to the next person, and then the next. That’s what I’ve been saying. I’ve been shorthanding it because it’s tiresome typing that sentence over and over, but as of right now, assuming Pence is still actually in office, if both he and Trump dropped dead, Pelosi becomes acting President.

If all three drop dead, It’s Chuck Grassley.

If all four drop dead, it’s Pompeo.

ForGodandCountry

I’m calling you a know it all who did NOT know what I just posted.

And now you are reduced to making deflecting argument.

It’s actually quite funny….

…much the way you like to pretend you are a pilot.

You also claimed I did not attribute a sauce, when I cited both the 20 amendment as well as the Congressional research service. That makes you a liar, too.

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TheseTruths

If a federal election were delayed…

Was the federal election delayed? I haven’t seen anything about any office being in question except the presidency.

ForGodandCountry

Was the federal election fraudulent?

Fraud vitiates everything.

TheseTruths

How do you see this playing out? We have massive fraud that everyone who is not blinded can see, no courts have ruled on it yet, and we’re barreling toward the date when electors’ votes are counted.

Serious questions: Who is going to make someone acknowledge the fraud and rule that it vitiates everything so that we have to stop the process and sort things out? Do you think something will happen on the 6th to make that happen? Or possibly before the 6th?

ForGodandCountry

I see many possibilities.

One thing I know for certain.

PDJT did not call us to DC on the 6th to watch him lose.

TheseTruths

You don’t list the possibilities, so the questions remain unanswered.

ForGodandCountry

Geez….too many to count.

Resignations. Indictments. Emergency SCOTUS rulings. Executive actions. A combination of the above.

How can I possibly list all the possibilities for you?

Shirley that’s fair.

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TheseTruths

Okay. Do you expect things to happen before the 6th?

ForGodandCountry

At this point it seems foolish to me to have any expectations, save one.

Victory.

Wolf Moon

I think guessing what will happen is almost useless – like guessing how EXACTLY a war will end once victory is in sight.

Wolf Moon

I do. I expected things to happen, and they already are. Georgia in particular is absolutely falling apart. Because Arizona is implicated, the smart money is that both state governments will fall. Today’s news about the phony ballots leads me to believe that things are being set up to grow to a peak which will be ON or AFTER July 6.

In my opinion, this will not be a simple normal victory on July 6 – but I could be wrong.

We will either WIN on July 6, or be in position to win by “whatever” means after that. The left know this, and is increasingly scared. Same for China and Iran.

scott467

Here we go, on the first page of the ‘Continuity in Government’ report:

Arrangements for the continued operation of the federal government in the event of a national emergency are specified in law, policy, and plans, some of which are not public information, given their sensitive, contingent status.

That’s a lawyer’s license to steal.

They can make up whatever they want, tell us whatever they want, and how can We the People ever know or verify things which “are not public information”, without waterboarding all the lawyers?

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scott467

“The tension is becoming intolerable.”

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I’m kind of lovin’ it 😂🤣😂

Mostly because over the past couple or three weeks, it has become clearer and clearer that at every fork in the road, ultimately Trump wins, no matter which road is taken, which alleviates tension.

Because even the roads going in the direction we don’t want still have to loop back around to the road we do want. It just takes us on a longer or more circuitous route.

I was fine with invoking the Insurrection Act and the military solution, but some people were having trouble reconciling that with the Constitution.

This was very frustrating (exasperating), because with two of the three co-equal branches completely corrupted, it seemed impossible to reach the desired objective without using the Insurrection Act (or similar), which some would see as not Constitutional.

And frustrating because even though ‘fraud vitiates everything‘, some wanted a court to declare fraud first, before fraud could vitiate anything, and clearly the corrupt Judicial Branch would not do so.

So then it occurred to me, as I was attempting to reply to Steve, how to solve for those two concerns and remain solidly within the boundaries of the Constitution.

Like puzzle pieces falling into place.

It doesn’t mean I’m right or that it will work out this way, but the fact that it could means there is at least one way to do it within Constitutional constraints, and if I could think of one way, then the smart people can certainly come up with others.

Basically, no matter what happens on January 6th, whether Biden or Trump is declared president-elect, the same day or the following day Trump could do a complete or partial ‘declass’ national address.

I’m hoping for a complete ‘declass’ address, but after thinking about it more today, DJT might want to hold back some of the leverage which some of the ‘declass’ information gives him.

In other words, WE want to know everything, but his objective is to win (for us), so it may be better for him (and therefore, for us) if he only uses enough ‘declass’ information to get over the next hurdle, instead of spilling all the beans at once.

So I (we) want all the beans spilled, but he could choose to just spill enough beans to invoke a military court to examine the massive election fraud.

I think he could do it regardless, but if he ‘declasses’ Chyna involvement in the election fraud, he justifies the use of the military to review the election results, and if DJT does this limited (or full) ‘declass’ on January 6th or 7th — no matter who is declared president-elect on the 6th — the military court has 13 or 14 days to go through the massive mountain of election fraud evidence, nationally televised for all the world to see with their own eyes, and that’s plenty of time to prove election fraud in a lawful court of record.

That satisfies the legal requirement of proving fraud (which the corrupt and derelict Judicial Branch refused to see or hear!), and ‘fraud vitiates everything‘.

Evidence of foreign election interference (Chinese and/or other) authorizes the use of a military court, military court reviews all election fraud evidence in public hearings, and declares the obvious, that massive fraud took place on November 3rd.

Even better, if DJT has the evidence (and I’m confident he does), it should also be proven — with the whole world watching the public hearing — what the real vote totals were, proving Trump’s massive landslide victory and resulting electoral college blowout, preserving and solidifying the massive political capital and mandate that comes with a landslide election win.

By preserving some (or a lot) of the potential ‘declass’ information, DJT preserves leverage to control the Deep State’s reaction during the 14 days between January 6th and January 20th.

Once DJT is sworn in to begin his second term on January 20th, complete ‘declass’ could be done, exposing everything, indictments unsealed, and regular (non military) police could round up all the traitors who have not fled the United States.

Military could properly be used to hunt down all traitors who fled the United States or who live abroad, and political leverage could be used to force the governments of our ‘allies’ who participated in the attempt to overthrow our Republic (including the “five eyes” group) to extradite their participants to the U.S.

So no matter what happens on January 6th:

We finally get ‘Declass’ (in whole or, more likely, piecemeal, but we get it all).

The massive election fraud is proven in a lawful court.

Trump wins and is inaugurated to his second term on January 20th.

The traitors are exposed and arrested, or turn themselves in to save themselves from the public.

Everything is well and safely done within the parameters of the Constitution.

Victory.

No matter what happens on January 6th.

😁👍

Wolf Moon

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CERTIFIED BY LEONIDAS HIMSELF!!!

gil00

Newsmax (@newsmax) Tweeted:
IRAN: ‘Trump will dead in a few days.’

Rouhani proclaims, “the life of this criminal will end and he will go to the dustbin of history, and we are very happy about this.” https://t.co/2yznn6efXN

Cuppa Covfefe

Heyyy Rou-Hou-whorebait, weren’t the last set of Rods from God enough for you???

You’re gonna be chasing down those 72 inexperienced camels before you know it… with help from your “own” people….

scott467

The stiffnecked stupidity of people like Rouhani, the absolute insistence in doing everything exactly wrong, is Biblical.

Wolf Moon

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