Dear MAGA: 20220130 Open Topic

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Glory to God 3

Created for God’s Glory (Isaiah 43:7)

Isaiah 43:7 “. . . everyone who is called by my name, whom I have created for my glory, whom I formed and made.”

Glory to God in the highest . . .

GLORIFY GOD BY DECLARING HIS GLORY

God’s Word tells us that all of creation declares His glory. Psalm 19:1-4 says “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims His handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes our through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.”

If all creation declares the glory of God, then there’s even more of an obligation for us to glorify God. This is because we’re made in the image of God, we’re His image-bearers. If we’re image-bearers of God, then we need to declare His glory. The way to declare His glory isn’t just to be an image-bearer but also to display Him in our every action, word and deed.

Proclaiming God’s glory to the world begins by taking a look at our own hearts. We can’t declare that God is above every other name if “we” are still on the throne of our hearts and not with God. We can’t proclaim His excellencies and then seek personal selfish gain, success, approval and affirmation from others etc. Declaring God’s glory starts with our humility. It begins with a life of sacrifice to the One who has given up everything for us.

When we set Christ as number one in our lives and in our hearts, then we’re set free to magnify Jesus. It is only when we set our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ who freed us from the weight of sin and death and when our whole lives become about Him, that in this freedom we find the life that we were always meant for, to glorify God and to declare His Glory to the world.

We can’t achieve this in our own strength, it must be the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. Romans 11 says “For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things.” The ability to glorify God and honor Him only comes through the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. So allow Christ into our lives, so that we may surrender our life to God in order to declare His glory in everything we do.

1 Peter 4:11 says “whoever speaks, speak as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, serve as one who serves by the strength God supplied – in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To Him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.”

In order to declare the Glory of God, we must also produce the fruit of our salvation and display of the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. For example, when we plant a fruit tree in our garden, we have high expectations of it to produce the fruit of its kind. If it’s an apple tree, then we would expect the tree to produce apples. When the tree is full of apple’s and the tree is overhanging with abundant fruit, then people look at the tree and speak of the goodness of the tree.

This is the same for the children of God. In order for us to flourish like well-watered plants and to produce the kinds of fruit that declare the glory of God, there are some things we must allow God to do in our lives.

When a new tree is planted, before we even begin to try encourage fruiting on a tree, we need to make sure that the plant is old enough and healthy enough to bear the load. Usually standard fruit trees need anywhere from 5 to 7 years before they’re ready to produce. In a similar way, for us to produce the fruit of Christ in our lives, what we require is time, and time for us to mature in Christ.

There’s a requirement of patience. James 1:4 says “And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing.”  What is meant by steadfastness is patience and perseverance. There is a requirement to grow in order to produce fruit.

There are many scriptures in God’s Word that describe the need to grow and mature spiritually. Ephesians 4:15 says “we are to grow up in every way into Him who is the head, into Christ,” and again in 2 Peter 3:18 saying “But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” Ultimately this is what is pleasing to God. In fact, Jesus Himself says in John 15:8 “By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.”

Then there is a requirement for pruning. Fruit trees ideally need to be trained in their first few years of growth into the shape we want them to maintain throughout their productive lives. In a similar fashion, in order to declare the glory of God, we need to maintain a certain shape. An outward proof of the internal change and this is the shape that declares the glory of God. In order to do this, there must be pruning.

Pruning involves getting rid of those things in our lives that are not of God and that don’t contribute to our lives in Christ. It can sometimes be a painful process, where God may discipline us, mold us and make us into the person that declares the glory of God. The end result of the pruning is a beautiful tree with abundant fruits, and the end results of God’s pruning in our lives is a life that shouts out and declares the glory of God through our person.

Ephesians 4:22-32 gives us instruction on exactly what must be pruned in our lives. It says “…put off your old self which belongs to your former manner of life and corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. When angry, do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil. Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. Let no corrupt talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.”

Once this pruning takes place, then we begin to see the fruits of the Spirit, as it says in Galatians 5:22-24 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”

God’s Word is very clear in explaining to us what the fruits of a follower of Christ are. Our example is Christ Himself. If a believer’s behavior contradicts what the word says, he is not really transformed in Christ. In fact the scriptures tell us that if we declare Jesus Christ as Lord and have a relationship with Him but still walk in the darkness of disobedience then we need to test ourselves to see whether we are truly regenerate. 1 John 1:6 says “If we say we have fellowship with Him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.”

We also need good soil for our fruit bearing plant to maximize its output. In a similar fashion we need to cultivate and nurture ourselves which is an intentional move towards seeking and cultivating our hearts to allow the spiritual seed in us to grow and develop. Jesus tells us that those who cultivate good soil in their hearts will result in hearing the word, accepting it and then finally producing thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.

This is the person whose heart is not hard, receiving the word of God into their lives and working the soil of their hearts, ploughing it, weeding it and fertilizing it and so becoming productive, whose end is abundant fruit that declares the glory of God to all those surrounding it and far beyond its reaches. Amen.

So let’s be united with Christ and as it says in 2 Peter 1:4 “…become partakers of the divine nature,” through the work of the Holy Spirit in us that we boldly declare the glory of God to all those around us and fulfill the purpose for which we’re made.

Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!

*endofthematter.com


Oh, for a Thousand Tongues to Sing

Oh, for a thousand tongues to sing
My great Redeemer’s praise,
The glories of my God and king,
The triumphs of His grace!

My gracious Master and my God,
Assist me to proclaim,
To spread through all the earth abroad,
The honors of Thy name.

Jesus! the name that charms our fears,
That bids our sorrows cease—
’Tis music in the sinner’s ears,
’Tis life, and health, and peace.

He breaks the pow’r of canceled sin,
He sets the pris’ner free;
His blood can make the foulest clean,
His blood availed for me.

He speaks, and, list’ning to His voice,
New life the dead receive,
The mournful, broken hearts rejoice,
The humble poor believe.

Glory to God, and praise and love
Be ever, ever giv’n
By saints below and saints above,
The church in earth and heav’n.

Charles Wesley, 1739


On this day and every day –

God is in Control
. . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . .
Keep Looking Up


Hopefully, every Sunday, we can find something here that will build us up a little . . . give us a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.

“This day is holy to the Lord your God;
do not mourn nor weep.” . . .
“Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet,
and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared;
for this day is holy to our Lord.
Do not sorrow,
for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”

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gil00

Its as if covid was never really the issue….

Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) Tweeted:
U-turn on mandatory Covid vaccinations for NHS and social care workers after warnings that jabs policy could lead to shortage of 80.000 workers.

https://t.co/MkuevfPlaM

Wolf Moon

Hilarious! English bureaucrats have more sense than SCOFFLAW SCOTUS.

Cuppa Covfefe

Well you have to admit, that’s a low bar 😀

(Ducks and runs from various tomes, clerks, and ghosts of “the business yet to come”…)….

gil00

Spanky (@BubbaClinton77) Tweeted:
@JCharronCTV @CP24 @ctvottawa @CTVNews Are these them #Canada #TruckersForFreedom2022 #wheresJustin https://t.co/VgKp0eE74e

Cuppa Covfefe

Jeremie??? Where’s Chud, erm, Chad???

Sounds like the fake news are out in farce… “setting up for a live hit” ????? WTH did they expect? Probably help from the shorts and sunglasses FF crew in the lower pic…

scott467

Hey, I’d recognize them anywhere, it’s tool #1, tool #2, tool #3, tool #4, tool #5 and their new recruit, wannabe-a-tool 👍😂

SteveInCO

Canada was largely settled by colonists from the 13 colonies who did not rebel against King George III (the asshole Herschel tried to name Uranus after, before we named it after everyone’s asshole).

And yet many there seem to have learned a few things that many of us in the States (successfully rebelled colonies) have forgotten over the last 246 years.

gil00

Colonists i think in Vermont tried to get parts of the settlements in Canada to fight with us and become part of the US.

SteveInCO

I think we even tried to capture Montreal…and failed.

gil00

Do they really think everyone is going to leave? Just bc the cops are having to be paid and the traffic is backed up?

Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) Tweeted:
JUST IN – Canada’s trucker protest: #Ottawa police are “working with organizers to facilitate the safe departure of individuals and vehicles,” per statement. https://t.co/LghMGIN0Ms

kalbokalbs

FANTASTIC.

The Truckers ARE HAVING THE DESIRED EFFECT.

H O L D THE LINE. EXPAND THE GRIDLOCK.

Wolf Moon

Yup. I agree. Hold the line.

SteveInCO

I’m glad I’m not in Ottawa needing to take a run to the grocery store…

Gingersmom2009

Was just looking at a bunch of pics of old George magazine covers. Whenever there’s a JFK interview/article, it never says JFK Jr. – always John Kennedy. Something to think about.

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cthulhu

I found this story quite interesting.

https://www.newsweek.com/i-cloned-my-dog-puppies-have-different-personalities-1674290

It relates to heritable characteristics.

Wolf Moon

Loved this comment:

“Interesting story but why isn’t Newsweak covering the gigantic protest in Canada?”

TheseTruths

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Wolf Moon

EXCELLENT. The TRUTH about NEVERTRUMP PENCE is COMING OUT.

ForGodandCountry

Scott is using a putrid article of communist propaganda to champion violence and use of force here at Qtree.

It’s title?

Don’t criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

Here is the link…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/01/dont-criticize-black-lives-matter-for-provoking-violence-the-civil-rights-movement-did-too/

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It comes from the Washington Compost, that sewer of communist dreck.

The goal of the article is to equate….in the minds of the leftist sheep that swill this propaganda garbage….that the BLM is equal to the Civil Rights movement led by Dr. King.

Moreover, we are told that the violence engaged in by BLM was/is little different than the STRAINED examples the article uses in an attempt to equate BLM with Dr. King’s movement.

Even BLM disagrees, the Compost admits……..but then demands otherwise….

As much as BLM’s opponents and supporters (who insist that “this ain’t yo mama’s civil rights movement”) differentiate it from the 1960s effort, these two historical moments have a lot in common.

So, basically, everyone (“BLM’s opponents and supporters”) agrees that BLM is not the equivalent (“this ain’t yo mama’s civil right’s movement”)…..but the Compost is here to set us all straight! 🤣 😂 🤣 😘

Like the Compost, Scott is attempting to pull a fast one on Qtree readers.

From the article…

violence was not something that simply happened to activists; they invited it. Violence was critical to the success of the 1960s civil rights movement, as it has been to every step of racial progress in U.S. history.

The most jarring evidence of this came just a month after King’s Birmingham jail letter. In May 1963, movement organizers assembled black children , some still in pigtails, to march through the streets of Birmingham and confront Bull Connor’s violent police force. It was a controversial tactic within the movement, but organizers must have known that images of jailed, beaten and cowering children would affect hearts, force a response from officials and move the movement toward its goals.

What the commie writer at the Compost intentionally omits is…

These children, mostly teenagers, were peaceful protestors. They were not committing acts of violence. Nor were they being violent.

Reread that.

What happened here is that Dr. King very wisely used the violent, coercive, “go home or we’ll beat and jail you” tactics of Bull Conner and his racists against them. To create a spectacle that made it undeniably clear who was evil and who was not.

So disgusting was the display of violence used upon these children that it revolted even other racists.

And opinions changed dramatically. Even racists were appalled at the violence imposed upon those peaceful children.

Scott also wants to pretend that these kids had no idea what they were getting themselves into….that their mothers, fathers, aunts, and uncles….and generations going way back….had never experienced this….that these kids were ignorant.

Not so. They well knew what was going to happen….they well knew the role they were playing.

INVITING violence upon one’s self in order to HIGHLIGHT one’s peacefulness….and in so doing…..create a spectacle of stark contrast between one’s SELF and one’s TYRANNICAL OPPRESSOR….is NOT “engaging in violence”.

But it IS a great PR move. Which is precisely one of the reasons why Jesus told us, “If someone slaps you across the cheek, turn and offer them the other one.”

But Scott, and the Washington Compost, want you to think that “turning the other cheek” IS violent!

The Compost’s agenda in this article Scott uses to make his case is quite clear…..equate BLM with the Civil Rights movement. Equate violent communists with peaceful, cheek-turning Americans who were rightfully demanding their Constitutional rights.

Go read Scott’s article for yourself.

It’s actually sickening the twisted rhetorical arguments and tricks that that propagandist, communist rag attempts in order to paint the communist BLM in the same light as Dr. King’s movement. Worse, it attempts to drag Dr. King down into the muck with BLM in order to legitimize BLM.

I’ll leave off with this…

“The soldier, above all others, prays for peace. For it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
― Douglas MacArthur.

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TheseTruths

Scott didn’t mention BLM.

ForGodandCountry

I never said he did. But he uses an article that does to support his argument. Context matters.

TheseTruths

What do you consider his argument to be?

ForGodandCountry

He has made himself clear. I am simply responding to his own supporting “evidence” here, specifically as regards Dr. King. Perhaps you would like to focus on the contents of my response rather than deflect from it.

Last edited 6 months ago by ForGodandCountry
TheseTruths

Scott is using this putrid article of communist propaganda to champion violence and use of force here at Qtree.

Please show where Scott, in relation to that article, has championed violence.

ForGodandCountry

I’m not attacking Scott. I’m attacking his argument, specifically those he is making re: Dr. King.

And I find your comment dishonest.

Last edited 6 months ago by ForGodandCountry
TheseTruths

And I’m asking you to clarify, please. You are accusing Scott of using that article to champion violence. I don’t see it. In fact, he is arguing against using violence against children. Please be specific about what Scott said that makes you think he is using that article to champion violence.

ForGodandCountry

In fact, he is arguing against using violence against children.

Your turn.

Please show us where he said this. Be specific.

TheseTruths

Your turn.

So we’re going to skip your turn altogether? 🤔
You haven’t answered my question about how Scott is using that article to promote violence. Nevertheless, I will answer yours.

Scott:

I just don’t think it’s moral to use kids as human shields, to put them in the line of fire…

Imagine trying to make a Biblical case for using a child as a human shield.

I wouldn’t want to be responsible for putting children in harm’s way.

kalbokalbs

TT, Well done. Thank you.

TheseTruths

👍🏼

ForGodandCountry

Perfect. Thank you.

As I said above, no one “put them in the line of fire”. Nor were they used as “human shields”, a term used for murdering terrorists who put children in front of them so they can attack but not be attacked.

Dr. King and his organizers did not force those kids to be there. It’s dishonest to imply he did.

If those teens chose to march, is that “putting them in harm’s way”?

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TheseTruths

How is Scott is using the article to champion violence?

ForGodandCountry

If those teens chose to march, is that “putting them in harm’s way”?

Elizabeth Carter

These children are not old enough to understand the consequences of their decision. Their parents are responsible for them and are “putting them in harm’s way”.

ForGodandCountry

So now you are going to condemn all the bloodied, bruised, and jailed parents of the black children for allowing their kids to march for their own rights? And you claim the kids….whose grandparents and great-grandparents had been slaves…had no notion of what the consequences might be??

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Elizabeth Carter

Parents are held responsible for their children’s actions up to the age of 18 in most states in the USA. I am stating the fact that children are not considered capable of making their own decisions until they reach the “age of consent”.

ForGodandCountry

Parents are held responsible for their children’s actions up to the age of 18 in most states in the USA.

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No they aren’t. Otherwise the parents of everyone under the age of 18 who committed a crime would be charged.

Moreover, these teens did not commit a crime in the first place.

I am stating the fact that children are not considered capable of making their own decisions until they reach the “age of consent”.

I think that’s moving the rhetorical goalposts. What you previously said was…

These children are not old enough to understand the consequences of their decision.

When clearly, they were.

I’ve got $100 says these teens were BEGGING to be allowed to march. To stand with their parents. To demonstrate their own courage and resolve, just as their own adult relatives were.

Next you’ll be telling us kids shouldn’t be allowed to stand by the highway with their parents and cheer the Canadian truckers on.

Last edited 6 months ago by ForGodandCountry
ForGodandCountry

What crime(s) did those protesting teens commit?

Elizabeth Carter

I said their parents were putting them in harm’s way. You said their parents were harmed.
You said if the parents were responsible, they would be held accountable for their children’s crimes. I posted a link that says the parents can be held accountable for the children’s crimes. You asked what crimes these children committed.



kalbokalbs

Guessing you will NOT get a direct answer to your question.

“How is Scott is using the article to champion violence?”

Quite telling, no answer.

Well, it is a “new day”. Moving on.

TheseTruths

Right. No answer is forthcoming, which means that the stated accusation can’t be defended. So yes, moving on.

ForGodandCountry

If those teens chose to march, is that “putting them in harm’s way”?

No answer seems forthcoming.

Yet you expect me to answer to you when you won’t answer me??

And then you make the declaration above?

LOL

TheseTruths

The subject is this, in your own words:

Scott is using this putrid article of communist propaganda to champion violence and use of force here at Qtree.

I asksed you to show how Scott is doing that, and you can’t defend your assertion. Instead, you keep trying to change the subject by asking me questions like this…

If those teens chose to march, is that “putting them in harm’s way”?

…which has ZERO to do with Scott using a WaPo article to champion violence.

Read this:

Yet you expect me to answer to you when you won’t answer me??

And now read it again. Pot, meet kettle.

Last edited 6 months ago by TheseTruths
ForGodandCountry

You have a very selective memory, sir.

Just yesterday, Scott said….

MLK provoked violence as a tactic, and when that didn’t achieve the desired sympathy from the American public, he used children as human shields and provoked violence against them

Here, Scott is directly accusing MLK of “provoking violence” and using children as “human shields”. Scott is accusing MLK of being a terrorist, sir.

How did MLK “provoke violence”? By peacefully marching for their civil rights?? How were the children used as “human shields”? Were they not there by their own choice?? Were they forced to be there, as “human shields” truly are??

Scott then turns and says…

Were many of our Founding Fathers Christians, and most Americans

at that time?

Did they (not) fight for their freedom from tyranny, and did God bless their efforts?

Or did they concoct narratives to make themselves feel better, and virtue signal over their shoulder as they ran away?

Plenty more examples where that comes from.

Today, I was replying to his use of a WaPo propaganda piece that attempts to throw MLK under the bus in order to elevate BLM. In point of fact, his first reference to that dreck was yesterday, not today.

I advocate for peaceful resistance to the challenges we face. Scott counters and says

show me a time in human history where violence was not needed to defeat tyranny.

And when I answer “MLK”, he accuses MLK of using children as “human shields” and “provoking violence” while standing on a WaPo article to do it.

You are biased, and you have made up your mind before today…..that I am attacking Scott personally, rather than his viewpoint.

Personally, I don’t think you are interested in exploring how Scott advocates for use of force, I think you not only ignore it but you likely agree with it. You certainly never challenge anything he says, only me.

In fact, you guys have a nice little tag team going. Feel pretty smug, too.

Now…..asked and answered. Don’t pretend in the future I didn’t.

This is bookmarked.

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TheseTruths

Now…..asked and answered. Don’t pretend in the future I didn’t.

Finally, an answer. I think it is a huge stretch to say that Scott is using MLK and that article to advocate for violence. He can speak for hiimself, of course, but I have not seen him trying to incite violence.

ForGodandCountry

Weak sauce.

But I really didn’t expect anything different. And fortunately, you are not the arbiter of anything.

Now it see you are the one who cannot answer. Not really. Except to say, amusingly, how you go from “a huge stretch” to “have not seen” in a sentence.

But you did a great job of not addressing his use of that putrid article, and how he was using it. So fair minded you are.

(spit)

You might consider changing your handle to “MyTruths”, for accuracy.

Btw, nice little attempt to claim I said Scott was trying to “incite violence”. Thought yo could slip that in there, eh?

So dishonest.

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ForGodandCountry

Btw, advocating for force is a far different thing that “inciting violence”, yet you twisted my words and NOW claim that’s what I said.

So dishonest.

TheseTruths

And I find your comment dishonest.

In what way? I quoted you verbatim.

Last edited 6 months ago by TheseTruths
ForGodandCountry

So….just for the record…..in the past several months Scott has:

1) posted an article that claimed PDJT “had abandoned America” and was “impotent and defeated”; that the MAGA movement was leaderless

2) repeatedly called our military cowards and traitors

…and now…

3) uses yet another article, this one from a POS communist rag, to accuse MLK of using children as human shields (no different than a terrorist) and “provoked violence” (though Scott refuses to say how)….with no other supporting evidence I might add. And this at what on any broad timeline would be at approx. the same time the FBI has come out of left field and claimed that long held secret tapes (held by the FBI, conveniently) allegedly prove MLK was a rapist.

And you think I’m being unfair, but then again you aren’t.

The mind boggles.

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TheseTruths

I left a post at the UTree. I don’t expect a reply and might not answer if I get one. My purpose is to present the facts about what I think without belaboring things further on this forum.

scott467

“Scott is using a putrid article of communist propaganda to champion violence and use of force here at Qtree.”

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FG&C is a baldface liar.

Flat out.

He lies repeatedly, he falsely accuses repeatedly, he repeatedly engages in Straw Man arguments, he intentionally misrepresents what others have said.

He does it all the time, pathologically.

The question is, is he an idiot, or does he do these things on purpose?

ForGodandCountry

See my reply to TheseTruths just above. No lying. No strawmen. Quoting you verbatim.

You yourself accuse MLK of “using human shields” (your own words), as if MLK were a terrorist and that the teens who marched in the protest (which you yourself use as an example) were forced to be there.

Have you not said “show me a time in human history where tyranny was not overcome by force”?

And when I answered by pointing to MLK, you respond that MLK was a terrorist (only terrorists use “human shields”, sir). You also claimed that MLK “incited violence”, which seems to be your twisted interpretation of history.

No lies. No strawmen. Your own words and argument. Right along with a putrid article which you attempt to use in the same manner as it’s author….to drag MLK into the mud.

It’s sad.

And that you would stoop to such a thing….indirectly calling Dr. King a terrorist…that, in counter to my argument, he does not stand as a monument to successful, peaceful and law-abiding protest…

…well…

May God himself rebuke you.

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scott467

“It comes from the Washington Compost, that sewer of communist dreck.”

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No doubt.

What does that have to do with the price of sunglasses at the cop shop, Federal Glow & Co.?

If you dispute the contents of the article, then make your case, which means quote whatever you disagree with, challenge it, and prove it false with other supporting evidence.

What it does not mean is for you to go on one of your Straw Man benders… 😂 🤣 😂

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ForGodandCountry

I did make my case. Thank you. I’m amused you would say I didn’t. And have not.

scott467

“It’s title?

Don’t criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too.

Here is the link…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/01/dont-criticize-black-lives-matter-for-provoking-violence-the-civil-rights-movement-did-too/

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It’s very clever how you deduced the link to the article, since I posted is three times in reply to Cuppa earlier today, and posted the link in my original post before that.

Far from trying to hide anything at all about the source, I made the first line an active link for all to check and read for themselves. 👍

ForGodandCountry

So what? I re-linked it here for ease of reference. No one accused you of trying to hide the article.

Strawman

scott467

You don’t even understand what a Strawman argument is… 😂🤣😂

ForGodandCountry

Says you 🤣😂🤣

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Elizabeth Carter

If you click on the link in that article that references the children,

But the civil rights movement wasn’t seen as nonviolent in its day — and for good reason. The most jarring evidence of this came just a month after King’s Birmingham jail letter. In May 1963, movement organizers assembled black children , some still in pigtails, to march through the streets of Birmingham and confront Bull Connor’s violent police force. It was a controversial tactic within the movement, but organizers must have known that images of jailed, beaten and cowering children would affect hearts, force a response from officials and move the movement toward its goals.”

you get this:
Fifty Years After the Birmingham Children’s Crusade | The New Yorker

scott467

“The goal of the article is to equate….in the minds of the leftist sheep that swill this propaganda garbage….that the BLM is equal to the Civil Rights movement led by Dr. King.
Moreover, we are told that the violence engaged in by BLM was/is little different than the STRAINED examples the article uses in an attempt to equate BLM with Dr. King’s movement.”

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None of which has anything to do with my point, at all, which was to show historical evidence that your love muffin, MLK, was not the cat’s meow you want him to be.

It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other, he was before my time, all I have lived through is the wreckage and aftermath of the Civil Rights Movement, the inversion of all the racism, turning it upside down, giving free license to blacks to demonize and hate white people for the sins of somebody’s fathers (not mine).

The people who actually engaged in all the racism got away with it, nobody punished them, and why would they? It was people my age and younger who have paid the price and still do.

So I don’t have this big politically correct warm-fuzzy for MLK, and as a result, I don’t see him through your rose-colored glasses, and I don’t care if that triggers you. 😂

I am immune to political correctness. I don’t care if it fries your ass that MLK isn’t a holy relic to me. He put his pants on one leg at a time, just like everybody else.

ForGodandCountry

my point….to show historical evidence that your love muffin, MLK, was not the cat’s meow you want him to be.

That very interesting.

It jibes perfectly with the FBI’s own recent…an inexplicable….attempt to drag MLK into the mud by calling him a rapist.

Thank you for admitting that.

Deplorable Patriot

MLK was no saint, but he was correct about peaceful non-violence and the true story of the protests has been twisted over time.

Valerie Curren

My understanding is that MLK was a plagiarist & serial adulterer. Because of those “facts” I perceive him to be morally tainted to some degree. Championing peaceful protest & the rights of the oppressed and a colorblind society seem quite honorable aspirations. He had feet of clay, as do we all. Because he’s been propped up by TPTB for quite some time raises “suspicious cat” hackles for me nowadays…

Without reading other than “this page” “today” on the disagreement w/ FG&C (who seems repeatedly bent on going after you personally, imo) IF you said that MLK provoked violence I take that to mean that he acted peacefully but knew that those peaceful protests would provoke violence from racist tyrants & having his movement acted upon violently by those in power. That is Very Different from what FG&C seems to be implying, that you were saying that MLK Advocated Violence, rather than that he saw the value in a propaganda war of being the peaceful recipients of opponents’ violence to advance the cause of “civil rights”…

scott467

“From the article…

violence was not something that simply happened to activists; they invited it. Violence was critical to the success of the 1960s civil rights movement, as it has been to every step of racial progress in U.S. history.

The most jarring evidence of this came just a month after King’s Birmingham jail letter. In May 1963, movement organizers assembled black children , some still in pigtails, to march through the streets of Birmingham and confront Bull Connor’s violent police force. It was a controversial tactic within the movement, but organizers must have known that images of jailed, beaten and cowering children would affect hearts, force a response from officials and move the movement toward its goals.

What the commie writer at the Compost intentionally omits is…

These children, mostly teenagers, were peaceful protestors. They were not committing acts of violence. Nor were they being violent.

Reread that.”

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And then read this: Nobody claimed they were.

Literally.

Certainly I didn’t make that claim.

But the liar and fraud, FG&C, is pretending that I did, because he is a liar and a false accuser, and everyone should know that.

Nobody made that argument, NO ONE claimed that the children were committing acts of violence, besides the liar the fraud, Captain Strawman, a.k.a. Federal Glow & Co.

Welcome to it, Liar.

ForGodandCountry

And then read this: Nobody claimed they were.

Not true. You did. You claimed that MLK was “provoking violence”. I was unaware that marching in peace was “provoking violence”.

Your words. No lying. You said…

MLK provoked violence as a tactic, and when that didn’t achieve the desired sympathy from the American public, he used children as human shields and provoked violence against them

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Perhaps younwould care to explain just how a peace march “provokes violence”.

In the meantime, it’s worth pointing out that a tyrannical gov’t regime, whose greatest weakness is peaceful resistance and protest…..that demonstratively seeks and wants violent outburst against it…is using it’s FBI stooges to call MLK a rapist.

And here you are calling me a glowie….after you effectively called MLK a terrorist “provoking violence”.

Hmmmm.

🤔

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scott467

“What happened here is that Dr. King very wisely used the violent, coercive, “go home or we’ll beat and jail you” tactics of Bull Conner and his racists against them. To create a spectacle that made it undeniably clear who was evil and who was not.”

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He ‘wisely’ used children? As young as six years old, for his own political purposes. He took those little kids, and he knowingly put them in a dangerous situation, he USED them, children as young as SIX years old, using them like human shields.

And YOU support that?

You’ll try to jump down my throat for talking about the potential opportunity to make a fake video go viral — it wouldn’t even have to be serious, it could be slapstick style — to mess with the minds of Lefty highway nail saboteurs, but you would put a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD in a position to have his or her HEAD caved in by a baton or mauled by police attack dogs, to further your politics?

I don’t support that.

It’s pretty &^%$ shocking that you do.

I wouldn’t do that to a child.

I wouldn’t put a child’s life at risk to prove someone else is evil.

ForGodandCountry

What is wrong with you? Only terrorists use “human shields”. It really seems like you consider MLK to be a terrorist.l

And all this…..simply because when you asked “show me a time in history where tyranny was overcome peacefully”, I pointed to MLK and the Civil rights movement….and you are reacting by accusing MLK of being a terrorist who was “using children” for his “own” political purposes (vs. securing the rights of all black Americans).

You are the one going off the deep end, sir.

scott467

“Scott also wants to pretend that these kids had no idea what they were getting themselves into….that their mothers, fathers, aunts, and uncles….and generations going way back….had never experienced this….that these kids were ignorant.”

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Are you a psychopath, or is this kind defamation just part of standard Glowie training?

I mean, you’re sick in the head.

WTF do you get the idea that I want anyone to pretend anything? HTF do you know another man’s heart?

What a filthy, vicious liar you are.

A) their mothers and fathers ought to be ashamed of themselves for putting their children in harm’s way. Try to do that with your children, and see how long they remain in your custody.

B) you ought to be ashamed for supporting it

C) a SIX YEAR OLD doesn’t have the mental capacity for informed consent to *&^% near anything, much less being used as a human shield by deranged parents, aunts and uncles.

What a miserable excuse for a human being… I mean, it’s unbelievable… 😂

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ForGodandCountry

Your virtue signaling is as precious as your attempts to accuse MLK of being a self-serving terrorist is disgusting.

And you claim I am a psychopath….after you attempt to use a piece of dreck from a communist rag to support your argument that effectively claims MLK was a self-serving terrorist??

🤣 😂 🤣

SMH

scott467

“INVITING violence upon one’s self in order to HIGHLIGHT one’s peacefulness….and in so doing…..create a spectacle of stark contrast between one’s SELF and one’s TYRANNICAL OPPRESSOR….is NOT “engaging in violence”.”

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And nobody claimed it was ‘engaging in violence’, Captain Straw Man.

Nobody but you.

As usual.

ForGodandCountry

Tell us then….you said King “provoked violence”.

How?

I’ve never seen how a pretzel is made. Should be entertaining.

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scott467

“But it IS a great PR move. Which is precisely one of the reasons why Jesus told us, “If someone slaps you across the cheek, turn and offer them the other one.””

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So we have it in writing, that Federal Glow & Co. thinks it is a GREAT “PR move” to willfully, intentionally, purposely jeopardize the life of a six year old child.

He must believe very strongly that there is some kind of justification, any kind of justification for that, in this world.

And that justification is politics.

Next he enlists Jesus Christ in support of this abuse of children.

He takes a single verse of Scripture out of context, and he tries to use it to justify endangering the life of a six year old child, for his political objectives.

And he’s proud of it.

He’s not hiding it, it’s not something you have to suss out of him, he wants you to know.

ForGodandCountry

Bringing an end to hundreds years and generations of the most heinous abuses…

….does that qualify?

Kids marching in a peaceful protest? Well knowing and understanding the risks…having grown up with them since birth?

And please….stop trying to use today’s standards to judge history and the men of history. Liberals love to do that, and it’s pathetic and wrong.

scott467

The Accuser: “But Scott, and the Washington Compost, want you to think that “turning the other cheek” IS violent!”

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Not once did I ever say that, and I challenge you, right here, right now, to find where I ever said that, and quote it.

Go ahead, Liar.

Show us all.

Do it, if you think you can.

Show everyone here.

Go ahead.

ForGodandCountry

Sure. Just as soon as you tell us all how King “provoked violence” (your words).

scott467

“The Compost’s agenda in this article Scott uses to make his case is quite clear…..equate BLM with the Civil Rights movement.”

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Which has nothing to do with my point or my argument. BLM is completely irrelevant to the topic of discussion, which you know the same as everyone else, and which you deceitfully tried to imply otherwise.

Because you’re a liar.

A baldfaced liar, and a false accuser.

My point had nothing to do with BLM in any way. What the article DOES do, and what I cited it for, was to document something truly ugly, something which I had not known before, that MLK and his associates used children as young as SIX YEARS OLD as human shields, as political pawns, putting them in harm’s way, to be beaten with batons and mauled by attack dogs.

I also cited the article to show that contrary to your repeated claims, that “the civil rights movement wasn’t seen as nonviolent in its dayand for good reason.”

The article was also cited to document “Malcolm X, whom history treats as the movement’s violent alter ego, criticized King for the event, saying that “real men don’t put their children on the firing line.””

ForGodandCountry

You can’t be serious.

That article attempted to do two things at the same time. Drag MLK into the muck (like you are trying to do) AND, at the same time, attempt to give BLM the hue of legitimacy that the civil rights movement had.

The one has to do with the other….it doesn’t matter what YOU were trying to do with it.

And btw, whynshould we take WaPo word for anything? Go another source to back that dreck up? So far, a big nothingburger. Only that one article from that commie rag.

And you think THAT is credible??

🤣 😂 🤣

Btw, show me where King forced them to be there.

Hint: you can’t.

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scott467

“Go read Scott’s article for yourself.”

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Yes, please do, I have posted links to it at least four times now, including an extensive quote (four times) that I specifically was citing and referencing.

scott467

“It’s actually sickening the twisted rhetorical arguments and tricks that that propagandist, communist rag attempts in order to paint the communist BLM in the same light as Dr. King’s movement.”

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Who are you arguing with, besides yourself?

Who claimed otherwise? 😂 🤣 😂

And what does any of it have to do with the points I actually referenced, that:

A) contrary to your constant assertions that MLK was all about peaceful protest, not everyone viewed the CRM as ‘non-violent’ at the time

B) MLK used children, put children as young as SIX YEARS OLD in harm’s way, for political purposes. He should have been locked up for it.

You try doing something like that to a child, and see how fast your backside is in prison.

C) that MLK’s contemporary, Malcolm X, “whom history treats as the movement’s violent alter ego, criticized King for the event, saying that “real men don’t put their children on the firing line.”

THAT is what I used the article to document and support.

Not the things you keep trying to cloud the discussion with.

In addition to the above, MLK was not trying to overthrow a tyrannical regime, his objective was not to overthrow the government, so using his tactics to attempt to achieve a purpose his tactics were never intended for, and asserting that they will ‘work’ for the same reasons, is intellectually dishonest at best.

And in addition to that, you evaded my question multiple times:

Did MLK’s ‘peaceful protest’ end any tyrannical regime?

That’s the whole point of your insistence of following MLK’s example, isn’t it?

Well did it work?!?

Or did the tyrannical regime bring an end to MLK?

It’s an important question, because if the object is to get our country back, then MLK’s process was never intended to accomplish that objective, and even if it had been, the tyrannical regime got him, not the other way around.

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ForGodandCountry

There you go again….trying to use today’s standards to judge history and support your argument. Why didn’t they put King in jail for that, hmmmm? Tell us.

Did MLK’s ‘peaceful protest’ end any tyrannical regime?

Go familiarize your own self with the volumes that have been written and accepted as historical fact as to the many success(es) of MLK’s civil rights movement. Sounds like you either need to or simply reject them out of hand.

I am amused that you seem to think that it was a failure. So would just about anyone else. I’d love to see you try and convince anyone in the black community of that. 🤣

scott467

“Worse, it attempts to drag Dr. King down into the muck with BLM in order to legitimize BLM.”

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Which was irrelevant to the points I was making, and had nothing to do with my argument.

ForGodandCountry

Your argument itself drags King into the muck, same as the article does. And it’s your article, your support for your argument.

I think you are really losing it. 🤣

scott467

“I’ll leave off with this…

“The soldier, above all others, prays for peace. For it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
― Douglas MacArthur.”

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Who doesn’t want peace?

Besides the tyrannical regime, of course.

But there is a problem created, a problem which we have no control over, when another party decides that peace is not an option that will be afforded to us.

And that’s the problem we’re dealing with now.

MacArthur’s quote was about a SOLDIER.

While you clearly support putting a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD in a position to have her bashed in by a Nazi, or be mauled by a trained attack dog.

For political gain.

And you own it.

I don’t believe MacArthur would have pissed on someone like you, even if you were on fire.

ForGodandCountry

Keep ranting. Going on and on. Just don’t pretend my unwillingness to respond to your hysterics is any kind of surrender or moral victory on your part. It’s not.

Loud and longwinded arguments with shrieking virtue signaling while calling someone whose shit you aren’t fit to sit in may “win” in your world, but they only show you to be no different than a harpie of the left.

I do appreciate your attack on MLK, though, jibing so closely in time and tone to the FBI’s own. Thank you for that. 😉

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scott467

“Keep ranting. Going on and on. Just don’t pretend my unwillingness to respond to your hysterics is any kind of surrender or moral victory on your part part. It not.”

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Point by point refutation of your lies is what it is.

And you won’t respond because you have no credible defense.

As for victory, moral or otherwise, what would you know about it?

😂🤣😂

ForGodandCountry

No, you’re obsessed. Calling MLK a terrorist, that he “provoked violence”….still waiting on your proof of that, btw….your using a single article from a communist rag to drag Dr. King into the mud, while you pretend virtue-signal?

And all at effectively at the exact same time the FBI claims MLK was a rapist.

And you call ME “glowie”?.

🤣 😂 🤣

scott467

“Loud and longwinded arguments with shrieking virtue signaling”

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Says the biggest virtue-signaler on the forum, even your screen-name is a virtue-signal…

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“…while calling someone whose shit you aren’t fit to sit in”

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Nice mouth, another with the anal fixations. What a disgusting thing to say. What kind of person says something like that?

Where does your mind have to be, to even think something like that?

You’re disgusting… 😂 🤣 😂

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“may “win” in your world, but they only show you to be no different than a harpie of the left.”

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Take another drink.

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ForGodandCountry

Actually, my screen-name is a statement of beliefs, and my comment is a not only a statement of fact but a response to YOUR comment that McAurther wouldn’t piss on me. How quickly you forget your own escalations and provocations.

And yet you have the audacity and chutzpuh to say “What a disgusting thing to say. What kind of person says something like that??

You are real piece of work.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I really don’t think you have the capacity for it.

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Deplorable Patriot

The record has distorted on the MLK time, hasn’t it.

gil00

The Vigilant Fox (@VigilantFox) Tweeted:
According to a trucker, the Ottawa police have been given the green light to use tear gas and rubber bullets.

Livestream: https://t.co/cxk4sIsEal https://t.co/amf4ORPUo9

TradeBait2

That would be a huge mistake. There would be no coming back from that even if it dispersed the crowd initially. The people would increase their revolt in other ways and go after law enforcement, politicians and their families. Violent chaos would ensue.

They need to back down immediately and remove their communist mandates. Sell it as they are listening to the voices of the people who voted for them.

ForGodandCountry

Seems like a great place to remind….

Throughout the spring and summer of 2019, the Hong Kong protests grew and grew. Initially, they were in protest to a new law which allowed China to extradite anyone from Hong Kong charged with a crime by China without any kind of due process. However, the elected Hong Kong officials…..toadies of the CCP….attempted to use violence to quell and stop the protests.

The result was the protests protests grew and grew, to the point where the people of Hong Kong were singing the US national anthem and waving American flags. These non-violent, peaceful HK protests became every day, front page, above-the-fold news. Worldwide. Week after week.

Suddenly…..COVID hit. And the protests vanished.

Hmmmmm.

🤔

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Linda

I think the Chicoms had already gone in and squelched the protests before COVID hit.

ForGodandCountry

With all due respect, please look again. In fact, COVID was used to choke them off entirely.

The outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China caused the number of large-scale rallies to dwindle because of fears that they might facilitate the spread of the virus. Despite this, the pro-democratic movement’s tactics were repurposed to pressure the government to take stronger actions to safeguard Hong Kong’s public health in the face of the coronavirus outbreak in Hong Kong.[127] As the coronavirus crisis escalated in February and March 2020, the scale of the protests dwindled further.[128][129]Police used coronavirus laws banning groups of more than four, for example, to disperse protesters.

Elizabeth Carter

I was just having a discussion about retaliation against the truckers.
My friend was saying the Truckers could be injured or killed if the government called in the army or the UN to control the Truckers and make them go home and behave.
I said that I can’t imagine even one Trucker climbing into their truck to become part of this protest who did not accept the fact they were at high risk for financial harm, physical injury or even death. At some point it comes down to “Give me liberty or give me death” as Patrick Henry said in 1775.
This is worldwide. If we don’t stand up fight back, we are committing suicide anyway. I am praying for the Truckers who have taken their stand. I hope our Truckers join them. They are men of courage who are used to taking risks. We need to support them and stand with them.

gil00

Absolutely. If they back down without the restrictions removed first, no promises actually remived, they will lose.

Sadie Slays

The logo that the official Trucker Convoy Facebook page is using has a 666 in it. Sorry to be a party pooper.

Broken link because Wolfmoon doesn’t like FB links here:

https://www.FAKE BOOK.com/Freedom-Convoy-2022-100286905896085/

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Sadie Slays

EDIT: Chrome, not CERN. Took a moment to jog my memory. I’m done now.

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Posting this only because it reminded me of the CERN logo.

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ForGodandCountry

If unintentional…and not intended….does that still count?

TheseTruths

It raises questions:
Who came up with the logo?
If those really are 6s, does that necessarily mean the entire project was set up by *those forces* for nefarious reasons?

My feeling about these kinds of things is that *they* will try to subvert and control everything. We are pressing on in spite of it. The trucker caravan is a huge step in the right direction.

Elizabeth Carter

I seriously doubt that any of these truckers are Satanists.
I think they are probably being taken advantage of by the Logo designer who is paid by a politician – a man who waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me’.”
Years ago, I found out that if you want to hypnotize someone, you watch what they are doing and take credit for it. They get sleepy and you say, “you are feeling very sleepy.” After a while, they start doing what you suggest.
If you give them a “post hypnotic suggestion” to open an umbrella when you say the word “blue” they will open it and if you ask them why they opened it, they will come up with some “logical” reason to explain their behaviour.
I am so proud of the truckers who are standing up. We must stand up.

kalbokalbs

The truckers deserve AND have earned our respect and appreciation. I suspect the Canadian government will huff, puff, get verbally belligerent. Likely physically antagonize the truckers, threatening fines AND arrest.

MeThinks this will further embolden the truckers, to stare down the Canadian government.

The logo is a distraction, that in a few minutes, will be yesterday’s news to be forgotten. Don’t know why the log appears to have three 6s. But I am quite sure the truckers don’t buy into satan crap. But, I do appreciate it being pointed out.

para59r

Just some thoughts concerning violence with the Truckers. One of the vids below had the news team getting chased away. Following the various anti trucker remarks in that thread it’s sort of clear what Trudeau is up too. He’s going to sit tight while he uses 5th Column tactics (agent provocateurs) in attempt to turn the people’s support from the Freedom movement as they try to color them as fascists, trouble makers, and misguided ignorant types for not following the science. Legacy media of course will play right along with this.

No matter if it turns violent or not, no matter if they force the truckers to leave some or go all the way back home, Trudeau can not win unless he gets the truckers to drive again. As long as they don’t drive he looses. If they have to go home and pull parts from their trucks and bury them, then that’s what they need to do. In the meantime people like the FLCCC (any FLCCC type talk to include all the way up to Cabal talk) can make all the difference as they now indirectly share the stage and people not awake before are listening.

pgroup2

Looks like Wolf’s alarm clock has failed.