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That was my reaction to the information in this video.
Remember MKUltra? Well it was one of many such programs.
Remember Kanye West’s physical trainer threatening him? Well he is one of many esp. if you want to shut up a whistleblower.
Wonder why Candice Owen & Tucker Carlson went off the deep end? This maybe the answer.
But the one that made me cry is what those filthy nasty sadists do to our military and veterans!
“...Substance abuse and homelessness are two major issues that can often be intertwined, especially in the case of veterans….” LINK
Yeah, right. ESPECIALLY WHEN HELPED ALONG BY THE VA AND CIA! Alpha & the Colonel explain how it’s done towards the bottom of the transcript. I marked it with a smaller version of the above picture. So if nothing else read what these sadists are doing to our best and strongest.
I think this explains why POTUS Trump went after the VA in his first term. That mess was not incompetence, it was getting rid of the ‘Useless eaters’ and inconvenient witnesses.
This is the document being discussed from what I can tell: National Security Archive “The Top Secret Testimony of CIA’s MKULTRA Chief, 50 years later keep a barf bag handy. For example “U.S. Military Proposed “Use of LSD on a Fairly Large Scale” in Vietnam”
Background from other videos:
Psychological Strategy Board 1951 – 1953 ==> Operations Coordinating Board 1953 – 1961 ==> “much of OCB’s work was continued by other bodies, such as the Planning Coordination Group (PCG), pursuant to presidential directive Covert Operations NSC 5412/12 in 1955, and by the Special Group” —
Surprise, Kill, Vanish: The Secret History of CIA Paramilitary Armies, Operators, and Assassins, Jacobsen, Annie (2019) (New York: Little Brown and Company), p. 115
Do not miss The Strategy Board’s first director Gordon Gray. He later was National Security Advisor during the Eisenhower administration, President of UNC (think Ralph Baric) Owner of NC newspapers & radios, and chairman of the National Trust for Historic Preservation. His father, uncle & brother were all heads of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. In 1942, he was described as “one of the nation’s wealthiest young men.”
And from PAVACA
We CAN’T hate these Deep State Evil Satanic Sadists enough.
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TRANSCRIPT I have cleaned it up and added references.
Alpha Warrior:
We’re doing part three of PSYOPS past and present.
I’m trying to figure out what the heck these tech issues are…. So hopefully this is an issue that will remedy itself. But with that, chapter 91, of Operation Gladio. Some interesting things happening. I will turn it over to you, Colonel, and let you decide what you want to share or not share. I don’t know what’s public yet.
Colonel Towner:
Well, apparently we are being watched. I don’t want to say any more than that, but the work that we do in exposing the CIA is coming to the attention of quite a few people. Both the work that we’ve done over on Badlands like the book club episodes and my own work. So, it’s getting very interesting. It appears that they really don’t like people telling the truth.
Alpha Warrior:
No, they don’t.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah. but at least there’s some agreement that the CIA is at the root of it. It’s just a matter of who they’re working through.
[I want to add, that I had a devil of a time finding the Youtube version of this video (and it’s transcript.) Brave would not pull it up no matter what I tried and even Yandex didn’t find it. I had to go to Alpha’s page to find it. –GC]
Alpha Warrior:
If you were hesitating to decide, well, it’s for sure now.
Colonel Towner:
If you didn’t think that all of what we’ve uncovered didn’t point directly at the CIA, especially on election interference, you’ve been asleep. So, obviously, the CIA PSYOPS program is monstrous. We’ve covered parts of it. I have two parts that has to be covered before we move on. And one of them is one that I don’t speak a lot of about because I’m not an expert in it. But it cannot be left out of the conversation and that has to do with MK Ultra and Project Artichoke. So, I don’t know if we’ll get through all of it tonight, but we’re going to talk about that tonight.
Colonel Towner:
I want to preface the rest of the shows on this psychological operation topic with something for people to ponder. I know we’ve got a lot of really good researchers out there, but I’m going to make the case over the rest of this, whether it’s this show and next week’s show or the next three shows, depending on how much we get done tonight. I have a hypothesis that most of the cult followings that we just kind of brush off as a weird lone wolf cult leader is not that at all. [Candice Owens??? – GC] Now, obviously when we did our Jim Jones deep dive into his quote unquote cult, we proved unequivocally that he was a CIA agent. He was involved in the coup in Brazil. He was involved in child trafficking and had lots of nefarious ties in San Francisco. And obviously his Jonestown camp was initially a CIA terrorist training camp that then served the purposes of an MK Ultra experiment.
A lot of people don’t put all of those together because they don’t understand Operation Gladio and how these people move seamlessly through this entire environment. He’s always set aside as this odd duck, a Kool-Aid drinking duck, which as we proved had literally nothing to do with it. So, I think that’s on purpose. And we’re going to go into a couple of the other cults that are associated with it. I say that to bring it home to today.
Many of the movements that you’re seeing today, whether it’s Antifa or whatever. These people, [such as] the 764 cult, they are all going to be tied back to some type of experimental drugs. Or take the whole trans-assassination thing. All are being given drugs. Who came up with that? Well, again, if you go back in history, this was talked about in the early 1900s. None of this, the whole gender dysphoria thing, none of this is new. It all ties back to the same root of this tree that we’re talking about.
So, I was digging around over the last week into the National Security Archives and there was some additional information that came out about MK Ultra in 2017. So, I’m going to set the stage for that and kind of go through that. It’s going to illustrate to you how coveted this information is to the intelligence agencies. They really don’t want anybody to know the full extent of it because once you do, you start connecting a whole bunch of dots that they don’t want you to connect.
Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control September 10, 2019
by Stephen Kinzer
Colonel Towner:
So obviously the most notorious was the CIA experimentation with LSD and other drugs. And all of this came to light in October 1975 in US Senate testimony of the CIA‘s former top chemist SidneyGottlieb. He was the notorious chemist behind creating a lot of the drugs, the truth serums that they tried to experiment with, the brainwashing, all of that stuff. The results according to Sydney Gottlieb [testimony] was the results of everything told us, the money expended, the effort expended, the security risk involved, when you add everything up was not a high payoff program and that’s devastating. So they spent hundreds of millions of dollars, experimented on all types of people, which we’re going to get into in a minute. And according to them, there was not a high payoff at the end. I guess that depends on who’s keeping the scorecard. So what was interesting to me, is most of Gottlieb’s testimony was given behind closed doors. …To the Senate.
Now, again, we live in supposedly a representative republic. Those people in Congress are supposed to be the truth tellers that expose the executive branch’s nefarious doings. And they cannot do that behind closed doors. There should never, ever, ever, ever be testimony behind closed doors. Not in a representative republic.
So, a group at the National Security Archives went through the transcripts of Gottlieb’s testimony to the staff of the US Senate Committee to study government operations with respect to intelligence activities, more commonly known as the Church Committee They were published in the National Security Archives and it contained 50 years of history of intelligence oversight hearings along with the selection of declassified CIA memorandums and other records concerning MK Ultra and related projects that Gottlieb was asked about during his Senate deposition. The search committee transcripts highlighted what was referred to as CIA and behavioral sciences mind control drug experiments [such as] MK Ultra, that was eventually published in 2024. Other documents that were found recently declassified in the CIA FOIA reading room, [Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room] some as recently as 2017. Among other things, the recently declassified transcript of the closed door hearings held in October of 1975 shed new light on a bizarre and abusive research project that was associated with the CIA’s technical services staff. That’s abbreviated TSS. It also included the mind-altering drugs that according to Sydney Gottlieb ‘s words, quote, “The unwitting and total lack of awareness on the part of somebody who was being interrogated that way might have been the key thing.”
So in other words, they drugged people unknowingly and then interrogated them. At one point, a Senate staffer asked Gottlieb about a document indicating that one interrogatee had been secretly given a large dose of LSD that induced a severe classic paranoid reaction so extreme that he was declared mentally ill by an equally unwitting psychiatrist and thus discredited in the eyes of the group in which he was working.
Now, just stop right there and take a deep breath and think about that. How many people in Hollywood have suddenly flipped out?
Apha Warrior:
Britney Spears. [Timeline: Britney’s Meltdown – CBS News]
That’s a huge one. Everybody recognizes.
Colonel Towner:
Correct. There have been people that are very well known that have for all intents and purposes, even if they’re not technically & legally a whistleblower, have exposed earth shattering things and then basically are classified as going off the deep end.
Apha Warrior:
Jim Carrey [ Jim Carrey’s Descent into Madness – The Daily Beast] that was a big one.
Colonel Towner:
So, did they actually go off the deep end or were they part of one of these experiments?
Apha Warrior:
I think the one that supports what you’re saying the most right now is Kanye. [r/Kanye on Reddit: This text Kanye got is wild. ] What did he say? What was it three or four years ago when his physical trainer? Yeah. His trainer. And we’re like, that’s handler conversation right there. I mean, it’s exactly what I think you’re going with right now.
Colonel Towner:
I am. And that’s why I think it’s so important for people to understand what has already been proven to be true. So in looking around you today, you understand a lot of these people have been slipped drugs and then they will be taken to a psychiatrist displaying total mental illness indications, when in fact they are actually under some type of psychological operation to discredit them. And of course in Britney Spears case she was on the verge of telling people about how Hollywood operated and what had happened to her when she was little. So immediately discrediting her in the eyes of the public was critically important.
So, moving on, Gottlieb said during the hearing that it had been recognized that this kind of thing might happen to make somebody behave erratically for the purpose of his colleagues losing faith in his ability to act responsibly. It’s happened with scientists. Other parts of the hearing focused on Gottlieb’s involvement in the CIA assassination plots, especially those targeted at Fidel Castro and its support to the activities of federal agencies through MHCHAOS, the subject of an earlier Rockefeller Commission report. The committee also asked Gottlieb about his own experiences taking LSD, which he characterized as disorienting and otherworldly.
Gottlieb said that LSD “gave you propioceptions,” which he said meant “perceiving feeling in yourself as opposed to feelings of things outside yourself, like seeing a door as opposed to feeling something inside your own body.” Details about MK Ultra and the related programs first emerged in the 1970s alongside the revelations that the CIA had been involved in multiple assassination plots and other misdeeds that were exposed in leaks to the media. Most notably by the Church and Pike committees and the Rockefeller Commission in the mid 1970s.
And of course, keep in mind in the mid 1970s, what is going on? You have the whole commotion with Nixon that just happened. You have the presidency of Ford. Rockefeller becomes the vice president who runs one of these commissions. And while things were exposed, it was basically a cover-up operation. And who’s the CIA director at the time? George H.W. Bush.
And it is in January 1977 when Carter takes over that he tells George H.W. Bush that he’s not going to be continued as the CIA director. So that’s when all of these things are happening. So you’ve got George H.W. Bush as the CIA director. And as we all know, Gottlieb and those guys in the CIA shred most of MK Ultra documents under the tutelage of George H.W. Bush. In the late 70s, the CIA victim task force reached out to the presumed victims of the CIA experiments, some of whom later filed lawsuits after learning that the agency had secretly drugged them or the members of their family. And of course, Olsen, who was one of the guys that was actually working in this area for the CIA as a scientist.
Frank Olsen, supposedly was ruled as committing suicide when in fact he was given, without his knowledge, LSD and just went totally crazy. And once the family realized what had happened and that the CIA was actually doing this to people, it was later determined that he was actually murdered and thrown out of a window. I mean, that’s the hypothesis at the end of the deal. That they were doing this.
So, as a result of all of the these revelations, Gottlieb had up to that point been anonymous. No one knew who he was because everything that was done with him was behind closed doors. So, the shroud of anonymity for the first time was broken after stories linked him [ Gottlieb] to the death of Frank Olsen, drug tests on unwitting US citizens and the destruction of records related to these programs.
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[Documents – Frank Olson Project ]
Aug 5, 1945 – Consent for Medical Treatment
This letter signed by Frank Olson states that in the event he becomes ill that he must report only to U.S. Army doctors and facilities and forbids his use of public sector medical facilities or doctors. The contract also states that in the event of his death Fort Detrick in Maryland will “make arrangements for and conduct the processing of my remains and to place them in a sealed casket which will not thereafter be opened.”
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Gottlieb was an obvious target according to author Steven Kenser. I’ve read several of his books. The one where he talks about this is his book, called Poisoner in Chief It was published in 2019. It’s basically a biography of Sydney Gottlieb. So, in this book, he kind of puts all of the pieces together. He says that his chief ally in the CIA was Richard Helms, who had been director of the CIA in 1966, and he was fired two years later. MK Ultra was no longer well regarded. Perhaps worst of all, he was tainted by the fact that his technical service division had collaborated with the Watergate burglars. So, it all ties together.
Declassified records and other evidence show that the US research into human behavior control and efforts to operationalize these methods extended across multiple US agencies, not just the CIA. It involved numerous officials. Few, if any, were more central to these programs, though, than Gottlieb, who was involved in nearly every aspect of the program, including research, field test, and the use of these methods in intelligence operations. He would actually fly to places and administer this program. The declassified evidence also shows that Gottlieb was a key bureaucratic player who signed off on hundreds of MK Ultra sub projects and who developed clandestine relationships, …wait for it,… with universities, prisons, hospitals, private laboratories, and private foundations. Prisons is an interesting one, isn’t it?
The church committee faced considerable obstacles when they were trying to reconstruct this story because Gottlieb and Richard Helms had destroyed most of the original records in 1973. On top of that, Gottlieb’s attorney, Terry Lenzner convinced the Senate, and I don’t think it took too much convincing, that Gottlieb would be granted immunity, in exchange for his testimony. So, the Senate protected this monster who experimented on American citizens and was responsible for at least one death that we’ve talked about so far.
Gottlieb and Lenzner: Sidney Gottlieb (left), former head of the CIA’s Technical Services Division, talks with his attorney Terry Lenzner on the day of his testimony before the Senate health subcommittee, September 21, 1977. (AP)
But even with those protections, Gottlieb had a really fuzzy memory behind closed doors. He seemed to have forgotten quite a bit. Gottlieb remembered. so little that one wonders whether or not he had taken some of his own medicine. Gottlieb and Lenzner said as much during his deposition during discussions of the Olsen case. Lenzner asked quote “who has access to this transcript” unquote talking about the transcript of the secret Senate meeting. Okay. before Gottlieb says anymore, he wants to know who will ever get to see this transcript so they know how much to reveal. Even though the man has immunity, he wanted to know specifically, quote, “a private party in a lawsuit, could they obtain Gotlib’s deposition through a subpoena? Committee staffer Elliot Maxwell said that while the rules did not address a specific issue like that, he did not think it was possible to obtain executive session testimony in a lawsuit.” You know why? Because the Freedom of Information Act doesn’t apply to the Senate nor the House. You know, that only applies to everybody else. However, they were wrong on both counts. The transcript was first declassified and given to the estate of MK Ultra victim Stanley Glickman in 1995 during the course of a lawsuit against the CIA, Helms and Gottlieb. Though it was not made available to the general public, just to that court. The declassified transcripts were finally made public only recently due to a 2017 FOIA request.
In their questioning of Gottlieb, the Church Committee staffers relied heavily on CIA records obtained by the committee, but again, most of them had been shredded. Two key reports by the CIA Inspector General that took a critical look at these programs linked to Gottlieb. One did in 1963 and related activities to MK Ultra and another one in 1967 an investigation of the CIA‘s involvement in assassination plots of foreign leaders. The transcripts of Gottlieb‘s testimony before the members of the church committee in [static] but are referenced throughout the committee’s interim report that was published in November of 1975.
Gottlieb appeared at this first series of secret hearings using a pseudonym. They didn’t even list his real name on the docket at the Senate. His name was Joseph Snyder. That’s the name he used. The questions during the hearing were about the assassination plot against Fidel Castro and Patrice Lumumba in the Congo among others because they were going to try to poison Patrice Lumumba too. They ended up just killing him and then boil him in acid. The conversation on the first day of his testimony focused on the early years of the drug testing, his participation in interrogations where the drugs were administered, and his own experiences. Gottlieb said for the first 6 months to a year he was working at the CIA, there were a lot of things going on. He specifically recalled Project Artichoke initially which is the precursor to MK Ultra. It involved barbiturates being administered as a truth serum. He said, this is a quote, “barbiturates administered in the truth serum mode.”
THE FOLLOWING SECTION WAS REMOVED BY YOUTUBE AND THE TIME SHORTENED BY 2 MINUTES AS I WAS TRANSCRIBING THIS!!!
in a sort of medical setting planned for and I think finally carried out in Europe.”Although he claims to never have been present for any of the artichoke interrogations, Gottlieb said they involved a substance that was a powerful barbiturate along with a series of what he called hypnotic or sleep induced materials to catch a person on his way to sleep. He hoped that it would then make the victim be more open and vulnerable to interrogation. The use of a medical setting was not necessarily done to protect the subject according to Gottlieb, but was more like an elaborate ruse to make it so the man was aware in some way for some reason that for his safety he was in a quote unquote medical setting with physicians around while they’re injecting him with the barbiturates.
Alpha Warrior:
Yeah. Yeah. using a person’s own thought process of security, that’s twisted.
Colonel Towner:
Yes. And I think it’s so important that we understand that just cuz our brains don’t think this way. They’re just so evil. It’s hard to contemplate how evil these people are. And the other interesting thought of that whole situation is that how well thought out this is, right? The drug, the setting, the person that you’re going to be doing this to and when are they the most vulnerable? And I want to make this point. These most recent CIA guys running around trying to pretend like waterboarding is the worst thing that the CIA has ever done to anybody and that’s the limit of their torture? I mean they’re lying to your face.
That is such limited hangout it’s not even funny. Water boarding isn’t even in the bottom 10 of the crazy shit or in the top 10 of the crazy shit that they do to people while they’re interrogating them.
Alpha Warrior:
You know? Here’s one that doesn’t require any tools and it is torture. Sleep deprivation.
Imagine having a sandbag over your head and you’re told to stand. You lose your concept of day and time. And as you start to get tired and you go to sit down and then they let you sit down cuz they know your leg muscles can only hold you up so long. And as they see you starting to nod off, they make you stand again and they just repeat that process over and you will go crazy if you can’t sleep and don’t know what time it is.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah. The medical setting, even if it’s artificial, was what differentiated Artichoke interrogations from those Gottlieb admitted to witnessing himself, mainly during the 1950s. These are referred to throughout the transcripts as interrogations and are sometimes called MKDELTA interrogations. Gottlieb told the committee that the technical services branch (TSS) wanted something that was more covert than Artichoke techniques. Something that did not require the subject to believe they were under medical care. That was the general idea. Or to get as close to that kind of capability as we could.
Investigators also asked Gottlieb for information about how the drugs were tested and the distinction between testing and their operational use as an approved operation of the CIA, which was the focus of MKDelta. Gottlieb said that there was also such a thing as operational testing, a combining of the two. Where they could get, on one hand it was potentially useful to have an approved operation from the CIA to then use to experiment on the people. So they’re operationally testing these drugs. The committee staff asked Gottlieb about the extent of the CIA sponsored drug testing in prisons, in psychiatric facilities in the US. They asked on the first day of the testimony, he recalled Artichoke operations either in prisons or mental hospitals or other facilities that might hold either criminals or the criminally insane. Gottlieb replied, quote, “I don’t remember anything like that.”unquote However, the very next day, Gottlieb said that he did remember that the TSS conducted quote unquote “general research at hospitals with psycho-chemicals.” Although he took issue with the word prison to describe what he said were treatment facilities ran by the public health services for people with criminal backgrounds.
So, for those of you who don’t know, the US government has an entire medical core of people called public health services. They actually have military rank. They go out to indigenous poor populations. It’s like a medical scholarship. They’ll send you to medical school and in return you do so many years in a poor area that doesn’t have adequate access to medical facilities. These are the people that are administering these things.
Gottlieb was similarly evasive in a response to a question about whether experiments were done at universities. Finally settling on this statement. quote, “There was some of the work involving such testing that went on at hospitals that were affiliated with universities and might have used university students as volunteers.” Asked again about these kinds of projects. On the final day of testimony, Gottlieb admitted that CIA had an extensive research program in regard to human experimentation on psycho chemicals under MK Ultra, adding that a lot of these things were done in hospitals and mental institutions. And when you say hospitalization, the people were already in the hospital.
Senate staffers referred Gottlieb to memos of Artichoke committee meetings in 1953 in which the CIA officials discussed the need for a ” large number of bodies” A large number of bodies, that was written in a CIA cable to be quote “used for research and experimentation in regard to psycho-chemicals” unquote.
What was going on in 1953? That was the end of the Korean War. I think they were… quote “problem of returning POWs from Korea” unquote and the interrogation of “particular POWs at Valley Forge and proposals to interrogate them.” In most cases, Gottlieb failed to remember any details about any of this. — They brought Korean POWs into the United States and the CIA experimented on them.
Alfa Warrior: Damn Them!
[This is documented in: National Security Archive “The Top Secret Testimony of CIA’s MKULTRA Chief, 50 years later For example “U.S. Military Proposed “Use of LSD on a Fairly Large Scale” in Vietnam” — GC]
Colonel Towner:
Gottlieb did recall working with the army on certain MK Delta interrogations. While the precise location of the operation was still redacted because they’re not allowed to operate in the United States. The time frame coincides with the reported trip of Gottlieb to East Asia in 1953 to assist with prisoner interrogations in Korea. He told the committee that he participated in at least 6 to 12 interrogations.
Now, keep in mind he’s being asked these questions 20 years after the fact. I don’t know, but if I ever had to sit in on an interrogation like that, it would be emblazoned in my memory forever. Not like kind of a ballpark figure. So, this is a quote. “To the best of my recollection, I was approached by an individual from the headquarters desk involved that the approval of such a trip and such a series of technical assisted interrogations. And by technically assisted I mean using LSD consisted of approval from the branch chief, the division chief and the deputy director. I discussed with redacted the nature of the assistance that LSD could provide in the interrogation and there was some cables exchanged I believe although I can’t remember in detail now and I can’t recall the specific arrangements whether I was looking through it through a mirror or anything like that. I know I saw the interrogations.” So again, he’s trying to evade actually saying he witnessed the interrogations. Does it matter if he was behind a glass mirror? No.
Committee staffers directed Gottlieb to another memo about an interrogation indicating quote “the officer to give the drug was familiar with its use and had worked with the technique in Europe.” unquote . So what were we doing in Europe administering drugs? While claiming not to remember the specific case, Gottlieb admitted that he himself fit this description. So he was there ,in Europe, drugging people. On the third day of testimony, Gottlieb was asked about a little known project called QKHILLTOP about which he offers few details. Although it has since been learned that this was a program through which the CIA sought to study what they believed highly advanced brainwashing techniques in use by communist China. [ Think of the J-6ers when you watch this 3 minute video -GC]
One of the church committee staffers described a record they had seen about Hilltop interrogation in which an unwitting subject had been given a large dose of LSD in a scheme to have them declared mentally ill by a physician who was unaware that they had been administered the drug. Here’s a quote.
The cable I referred to indicated that 200 units of this drug was given to subject number one and that this precipitated severe classic paranoid reaction. The subject believed that light bulbs were emitting hot and cold rays to produce scientific death and told the guard that someone was trying to read his mind and went into a schizophrenic reaction.
Colonel Towner:
Now again, there’s been so many people that have talked about things like this, there are these mass killers. And so you have to now go back and look at everything that we’ve ever had reported on, like the uni-bomber, cuz he was tied to everything. He was part of MK Ultra at MIT if I’m not mistaken.
Alfa Warrior:
Yeah, Kathy Eminence [in the chat] says this makes me think of Fauci and the Beagles. That’s Fauci.
Colonel Towner:
I definitely think Fouchi is connected to the QKHilltop. As I was searching the documents, this is one of the declassified ones. It’s short, but it’s March 1st, 1955. Memorandum for the record.
Subject Project QKHilltop [They show the memo]
Number one. I was informally told today by redacted that this project has been discontinued since the basic objective had been assumed by another agency of the government redacted office of general counsel.
Colonel Towner:
And who’s that from?
Alfa Warrior:
They don’t provide any other information. That’s the only information. It just says office of general counsel but it’s redacted.
Colonel Towner:
you can’t see who’s the CC to down at the bottom?
Alfa Warrior:
That’s redacted too the person that they were told by is redacted the person that signed it is redacted and the person that was CC to is redacted.
Colonel Towner:
So they just basically moved it operationally probably out of the CIA. And probably over to NIH [National Institutes of Health] since they run all the studies.
So talking about how they get the doctor to classify these people as crazy. Now again, this is what happens to whistleblowers, right? They get slipped these drugs and they go crazy and then they have an independent doctor say they’re crazy and then they’ve just negated everything they’ve ever said because the person’s now crazy. The doctor diagnosed the subject as mentally ill according to the document and it was apparently done in order to have the subject labeled as mentally ill which would allow him to be discredited in the eyes of the group in which he was working.
Gottlieb did not remember that particular case, but said, quote, “It had been recognized that this kind of thing might be a need that the CIA might help with to make somebody behave erratically for the purpose of his colleagues losing faith in his ability to act responsibly.” unquote. Senate investigators later asked Gottlieb about a separate MKDelta interrogation that was reported as a success because it induced a paranoid reaction in the presence of an unwitting psychiatrist such that it was possible to have the subject committed to an institution at will, thereby denying the redacted forever a loyal follower. Gottlieb said that using LSD guaranteed that you almost always were sure to get some particular behavior on the part of the individual and to the extent that it was useful to the agency’s operations. It was effective. So lock him up in a mental institution. That’s the gauge of effectiveness.
But Gottlieb said that his opinion about the usefulness of LSD had changed with time. Well, too bad because you’ve already got dead bodies laying around. Gottlieb also was asked about drug tests on unwitting quote unquote volunteers in the early 1960s, including US military operations designated as THIRD CHANCE and DERBY HAT.
Between 1955 and 1958 the Army also tested LSD on 1,000 volunteer US servicemen at Fort Bragg and the Army’s Chemical Warfare Laboratories at Edgewood.
While not recalling those specific operations, Gottlieb said that during Vietnam, the military was considering the use of LSD on a fairly large scale.
Alfa Warrior:
This makes me so uneasy when I hear this part, Colonel. Cuz we still don’t know what that pill that they made us take while we’re in Iraq for the first third of our deployment. It’s not in our SRBs. They told us that it was for malaria, but then they made us stop taking it. I’m telling you. And the reason it just gives me angstis cuz I know some of the guys that committed suicide are not suicidal people. And and I get it. People are say, “Well, you never know what someone’s going through.” And I get it. These dudes are dudes that when you I mean, you know what it’s like in service. You you know each other’s stories. These were guys that had not encountered rough patches in their life before? And were able just to push through like champs. And then all of a sudden years later, you find out some of these guys committed suicide. And then if you really want to go into it, some of them pursued lives as contractors.
Colonel Towner:
And we’re subject to what? Because the contractors are working for the CIA. And if you want to get rid of somebody that you’ve sent on an assignment, getting them committing suicide is one of the easiest ways to get rid of them.
Colonel Towner:
Okay. This is another quote [from Gottlieb] “and the fairly large scale I am talking about in an interrogation sense. Interrogating a number of prisoners and that we were asked to come in on that and I forget what the occasion was and I forget who was there.” Sure you do. “But I do remember being there at at least once with Mr. Desmond Fitzgerald when he was the deputy director of plans.”For those of you who don’t know we’ve come across Desmond FitzGerald on so many of the things as a matter of fact in “Safe for Democracy” we were just talking about the overthrow of Indonesia and of course Desmond Fitzgerald is one of the leading figures in running that operation. He was also involved in the Bay of Pigs and so many other things.”
Gottlieb said that the agency had as many failures as successes with LSD. Asked why the committee did not see the evidence of the interrogation cases that had been judged to be failures. Gotlib suggested that the records of those operations in many cases reflected what the reporting officers wanted their bosses to hear. The reports of success have to be seen with a grain of salt. Not that people falsified anything, but that they were very close to the situation in their evaluation of how much national interest was served by the information that they got from their interrogations. The results of everything told us that the money expended, the efforts expended did not necessarily have a high payoff.
Alpha Warrior:
Let me interrupt you real quick. I’d like to get your thoughts on this comment coming over from YouTube. This is Medi. This is actually an old time friend Colonel. I really like this guy. And he says,
“Alpha, I would say Alpha and the Colonel, may have stumbled upon why the US government does not want to acknowledge the veteran suicide rate.”
I’d really like to get your comment on that.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah, I thought that immediately when I was going through this material, have been in the military and especially for myself as a commander. My ex-husband’s son was a Marine and he committed suicide while he was on active duty. This is a subject that is very, very close to me. I had in my last command an individual that was working for me that basically committed suicide. She did it in a horrific way. She jumped out of a car. Basically, according to the people in the car with her, she faked a medical emergency on the side of I-85. Got out of the car like she was going to be sick and ran into traffic. I get a phone call at two o’clock in the morning and my first sergeant & I have to identify who she was. We had to go to the office because it was up near Atlanta. We were south of Macon, Georgia. And you know, you’re seeing the photographs of her that was emailed to us so that we could make a positive identification of her. She was an airman. And so I know that there are circumstances that don’t involve the CIA at all, but I also know that there are circumstances that 100% are. My biggest concern is the VA’s role in all of it. The VA is part and parcel of this entire operation because they follow the military service members out of the military and basically for the rest of their lives. And so there’s plenty of opportunities when someone gets a little rogue or off the sheet of music to have government people put in their lives under whatever the circumstances are and assist them in a suicide by medical means or you know these types of narcotics. And so absolutely I don’t think there’s near the amount. Alpha, I’m the the classic example of that.
I was vaccine injured with the anthrax vaccine. I was medically retired and their only answer for me was to give me 13 different narcotics so that I was able to walk. There was no actual the only surgical option I was given while I was still on active duty when I was at Randolph Air Force Base in San Antonio. The VA is not interested in fixing you. They are interested in medicating you. That opens up the possibility for anybody who is a special operator under their care who is viewed as a security risk to be taken out. It would be the simplest, easiest thing to do. [lots of static] Give them a certain type of narcotics, call it something else, and have it be something that just makes them wig out.
Alpha Warrior:
And that’s why, and the gentleman that’s in there, is it Collins? [Douglas A. Collins] I might have the name wrong, but some of the VA guys or some of the vets that I’m talking to are now having these conversations with the VA, they’re giving me hope of some changes that are coming in there. I’ve avoided it like the plague never gone once. There’s every time I heard my buddies go and share the same stories that you just did, Colonel, you know, this is what they want to give them for the painkillers before they can move on to another opinion or another remedy. It’s this addictive stuff.
So, it’s just like why do you want to go and seek help [from the VA], when you already know from everybody else that goes, they turn [you] into addicts. Then some of those addicts, because they’re not going to give you the amount that you need when you become an addict, so then these guys start to go and look for it on the street, because they need more. Which leads them to an even darker path. And then again, we hear some of the conclusions that you’re talking about. And there’s something there, I don’t disagree.
Colonel Towner:
The problem though, Alpha, is for many of the people that are actually injured, you don’t have a choice because of the VA rating system. You have to go to the VA for those exams. You have to go to the VA doctors during that rating process while it’s ongoing. If you don’t go you do not get your disability and that’s kind of the catch 22. There are a lot of people, my cousin being one of them [who do not go and do not get their disability.] He was a cop in the air force and exposed to nuclear weapons. I mean he was a cop guarding nuclear weapons. That’s what he did for 22 years and he developed cancer. He never went to the VA. He never got his VA disability. Nothing. I made him go to get his VA disability because it pissed me off that he should have had it for a lot longer than he was able to get it. But more and that’s the point I made to him. He’s like, you know, I’m fine. I do have cancer and it’s been tied to the exposure and all that other stuff. And I just looked at him one day and I said, this isn’t about you, this is about your wife. She needs to have those benefits as well. And that was the one thing that broke the camel’s back and he finally did go and get it. So yeah, it’s awful.
Alpha Warrior:
It is. I’m gonna put a Rumble ad right here just to create a break and then bring us back on task because this one really is one that upsets me. Because they did it to us. You did it to the people that were willing to sacrifice their lives for the country. Like you did it to the best part of America and it just like with the covid. It’s upsetting. it is.
Alpha Warrior:
All right, Colonel, bring us back to these other programs. You talked about a lot of programs here with Project Artichoke, MKUltra, you are looking through these things. It opens all these other ones that are related to it. Ones I didn’t even hear about. We all know that, allegedly, they stopped MK Ultra, but then I learned that there’s, another one that came after that and I’m like, what? Why isn’t everybody talking about that? So, please continue.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah. Nothing has ever stopped that the CIA has ever done because they’ve never been held accountable, EVER. Why would you stop doing something when even when they’re caught, they never get held accountable? Which is why Mockingbird never stopped. MK Ultra never stopped. I would say COVID was MK Ultra as well. And I do believe those vaccines altered people both physically and mentally.
Alpha Warrior:
What’s one of the best ways to target somebody? It is isolation and that’s exactly what COVID was.
Colonel Towner:
Yes. Yeah. I believe firmly that they go on today. All right.
They further probe the subject of drug tests on unwitting subjects. During the committee, they asked Gottlieb about CIA supplied safe houses in New York City and San Francisco. They were staffed by federal narcotics agent George White [He was a Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) investigator and undercover Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operative. –GC] Yes, this would be the current day DEA that was involved in this. There was an arrangement with Richard Helms and it was described as using the Bureau of Narcotics as a cutout. Gottlieb said that the cutout [was] meant to remove the CIA by one or two steps from its activity. In other words, they just put a CIA agent in the DEA to administer this program in the United States because technically they’re not allowed to do it. Just like they put CIA people in the FBI to do exactly the same thing. And in local police departments and in local sheriff’s departments and everywhere they want to do something with a cutout.
George Hunter White – Wikipedia
..He was also a federal observer for the controversial narcotics experiments by the Central Intelligence Agency as part of MK-ULTRA and Midnight Climax.[5] During the “scientific experiment” known as Midnight Climax, White was responsible for dosing gangsters, pimps, prostitutes, and other American citizens with a variety of narcotics and drugs without their knowledge, and reporting their behaviors to Dr. Sidney Gottlieb.[6]…
Gottlieb said, in a December 1963 memo, that was cited by the committee staffers on day four of the testimony, that Helms had called the project with White 8 years of close collaboration. Gottlieb described how they used the safe houses to conduct an array of experiments using drugs, hypnotic and other techniques. quote, “We developed a liaison with the Bureau of Narcotics whereby we would share information on LSD and other drugs. The mechanism for this was our funding –our funding, the CIA funding— of two safe houses at different times for the Bureau of Narcotics which the bureau would use for meeting informants and pursuing their own business and which premises we would occasionally use for our own meetings.
Gottlieb suggested that he himself had taken LSD at one of the safe houses. Quote, “As I remember it, some of the experiments we did on self-administration of drugs took place in one of those apartments.” He later said again that he believed that some of these meetings where we self-administered LSD early on were held at the safe houses. Gottlieb and White had a very friendly relationship. According to various [bad static] White diary accounts. Diary entries, some of which were published in one of the other NSA collections, record many instances of Gottlieb visiting the safe houses. Gottlieb told the committee he met with him three or four times a year. White had some prior experience – OH, you know in the OSS during World War II — and he would use all kinds of drugs to include marijuana in interrogations. And that was during a period when I was looking for this kind of knowledge and specialty in an operational sense. Gottlieb said that he worked out an arrangement with White. quote, “He would get supplies of LSD from us and use them in circumstances that he felt were of relevancy to his work of dealing with informants and working in the general field of narcotic enforcement, and that we would be made privy, at least in a general way, to the results and effectiveness of these activities, in return for which we would financially support the maintenance of these safe houses, which the Bureau of Narcotics, as I remember, badly needed for these operations. because they didn’t have the finances.”
So, in summary, the CIA is using their money to rent houses for the DEA to drug [BAD Static] And of course, this guy [White] is basically a CIA guy posing as a DEA guy. And they’re using the safe houses to experiment on Americans using CIA money.
Alpha Warrior:
Which is our money. The safe house is being funded by us. The CIA money is being funded by us. Like, it’s all our money.
Colonel Towner:
The LSD is being funded by us.
Alpha Warrior:
You know, I don’t know if he said it publicly, so I’ll be careful.
So, I was told by someone who worked… I’m going to be very vague on this because people isolate. I was told by someone who worked in the military with stuff that has to do with boats in the military and where they go and they confiscate some of the narcotics and this traffic. We’re talking, a very long time ago. I never really asked that question, as a cop. Cuz again, you don’t think you’re working for people that are bad. But, like with, interdiction, you find it in a, semi or during a bust. You get these kilos of heroin or coke or whatever. Well, some of it is filtered back into the task force because it’s used to to do these operations. I get that. I just kind of assumed that the rest went into an evidence locker and then when the case came to a resolution, it’s destroyed. But it’s not.
A large portion of these narcotics are sold right back into the cartels. And I was like, wait, what? Weird.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah, we actually found that in Gary Webb’s book when we were looking at the Dark Alliance where this evidence would just mysteriously disappear, especially in LA.
Alpha Warrior:
That one dislocated my jaw colonel. I was like, “So, you’re telling me that every single one of us that risked our lives to get this off the streets because ultimately we don’t want it to get into the hands of our kids or to continue feeding the cycle of these people that become addicted to it. We just sell it right back to where it came from? And people get paid off and then it just comes right back into the cycle. So, we’re chasing our tails in a circle. This is serious.” He’s “I’m being serious, Yeah. I was, you know what? Thank goodness I didn’t learn that as a cop because I would have got myself in trouble. I would have… I mean, I know the way I am. There’s, you know, God’s plan is perfect and no matter how much it may hurt us sometimes, but I would confront my chief on something like that.
Hey, chief, this is what I heard. Is this what’s happening? And if you don’t have the answer, that’s fine. Just don’t lie to me.
Colonel Towner:
I want to see, because in the military, when you have narcotics to train the dogs with. I had that as an additional duty when I was stationed in Italy. I was the security officer for the cops. And I
know what it takes. We just had little vials of it. I know what it takes as far as security goes, as far as signing it out, signing it back in, having the chain of custody the entire time it’s in use. I was part of that process. And to know what we go through for security of that type of thing and then to run across that in Gary Webb’s book, I was like, are you FUCKING kidding me?
Alpha Warrior:
I am not going to say what the law enforcement process is, but I’ll tell you guys what Disneyland’s process is, because I didn’t sign an NDA for them.
I was part of the K9 unit they have. They call it the Pluto unit. And in this unit, you have explosives and narcotics. And here’s something we do with both of them. Remember folks, this is Disneyland, okay? So you can imagine the bar for law enforcement or the military?
You go in, and it’s in this big old safe that’s meant, [to contain] explosives if something happened and it went off. To minimize the the damage to property or life. One — two people got to be present. Ain’t no one person, Two people got to be present. But on top of that, two signatures. But it’s not just two people that are present. And it’s not just two signatures. You got to weigh it.
Colonel Tower:
Yes.
Alpha Warrior:
What did it weigh when you took it out?
Colonel Tower:
Yes. That’s exactly the process they use in the military. And when you return it, you got to weigh it again. Yes.
Alpha Warrior:
And if that number don’t add up, a whole lot of people are going to come asking questions on what’s going on.
Alpha Warrior:
Yep. So, how in the world can anyone say you lost kilos, metric tons?
Colonel Tower:
Yeah. Baloney.
[Same procedure is outlined for handling narcotics by the FDA. I had to write the protocol for a pilot plant. -GC]
Colonel Tower:
So, the committee showed Gottlieb the memo that was dated December 1953 on the status of the agency’s LSD supply, noting that White, the DEA guy, of the Bureau of Narcotics, had been provided with LSD by the CIA by then at the latest. The memo came as the agency was looking to account for its LSD research and testing program after Frank Olsen’s death. They were scrambling. Other records included White’s diary entries show that he was experimenting with CIA supplied LSD for nearly a year. At that point, White first spoke to Gotlib about the project in May of 1952. And while he did not get final clearance until the next year, [formalized in the summer of 1953.] his experiments dosing unwitting people with Gottlieb’s LSD was already underway in January of 53.
So, he doesn’t have formal approval, but he’s doing it anyway. and that’s the way the CIA operates. Gottlieb claimed to not remember much about how White reported back to him on the results of his drug experiments, but said that White “was trying to use this material as close to the manner in which we at that time thought we might find some use of operationally, namely to see whether we could elicit more information from informants and other people he was dealing with.” He later added that White’s experiments quote were very useful operationally. It was practically the only information we had that was relevant to an operational situation or something near it.”. Asked again to reflect on the project with White, Gottlieb said: “I don’t think this corner of the MK-ULTRA project was looked upon as a scientific experiment, it was more of an operational, simulated operational test. And I don’t think, as I remember it, that we were hoping to get what I would call scientific information from it.”
We were just doing it. It had no scientific value. We were just drugging people for the hell of it to see if we could get them to talk more. So, I don’t know how much farther you want to go on. We’re going to talk in depth about MK Delta, and the death of Frank Olsen and so we could save that for next week if you want.
Alpha Warrior:
Oh, that’s fine. Let me bring this up right here. This is a gentleman we talked about a lot tonight. The CIA had Richard Helms.
Yeah. And that’s him. It says that. There’s a couple of things here that that got my interest on this photo.
Actual photo Helms & Kissinger At A Georgetown Book Party — Getty Photo 10/1/78 [Getty charges $100s for their photos]
One, it’s him with Harry Kissinger.
Colonel Towner:
Yep. Henry.
Alpha Warrior:
But it’s at a Georgetown party, but not just any regular party. It’s a book party. And for those of you that have been following a certain board out there that has to do with the 17th letter. They’ve told us to follow these book deals. They weren’t just talking about the time we live in. I would imagine that this stuff goes all the way back to this time. Think about it. I mean book deals being made to launder the money so these people all get paid. And they document it! It’s documented. It’s just, it’s out there like oh it’s a Georgetown book party with two guys.
Colonel Towner:
Richard Helms and Henry Kissinger were part of what’s called the Georgetown set. Allan Dulles was part of it. All of the media, the Grahams from the Washington Post, they regularly met on a weekly basis. And it was basically like an informal intelligence sharing. It’s where Alan Dulles would go and make suggestions to the Olsens. There was two guys that were journalists and I use that in air quotes that he would basically tell what they could write about and what they couldn’t write about. And they did it at these dinner parties.
Alpha Warrior:
It’s just, it’s one of those things that — I know we all want to focus on the other parties that go into some of the more extreme conversations — but this is something I think we could all easily research. Research the names, that we’ve talked about on Gladio and then start looking into what kind of book parties they went to. Who sponsored it. Who’s behind it. Where was it hosted at. That’s going to expand on this network. And the people go, Well, that was so long ago. Why? Because what if they’re still the same people hosting the parties today? What if it’s still the same publishing companies?
Colonel Towner:
It’s definitely the same publishing companies. And what you find, I think, is the most interesting aspect of this is their children are now doing it.
Alpha Warrior:
Now, here’s the other one [photo below of Reagan et al] that I was “Yeah, she’ll be & the audience will at least be interested in this one because this shows a lot of people.”
It’s not showing. Hold on. Let me fix this real quick. It’s not wanting to show on this. You know, that’s okay. I’ll switch windows. Crazy when we have this conversation, it’s just like technical issues follow Gladio. That’s for dang sure.
Colonel Towner: [laughs]
They do. Now, they definitely do.
Alpha Warrior:
This is the long way round. Okay, this this works.
Actual Photo shown:
President Reagan With The President’s Commission On Strategic Forces — Getty Photo 2/9/83
Portrait of US President Ronald Reagan (1911 – 2004) poses with the members of the President’s Commission on Strategic Forces and their Special Counselors in in the White House’s Cabinet Room, Washington DC, February 9, 1983. Pictured are, seated from left, James Woolsey, Dr James Schlesinger, chairman Brent Scowcroft, President Reagan, Dr John Deutsch, Thomas Reed, and Dr William Perry; and standing, from left, John Lyons, Vice Admiral Levering Smith, US Navy (Retired), Lloyd Cutler, Richard Helms, Dr Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld, Melvin Laird, Nicholas Brady, Executive Secretary of the Commission Dr Marvin Atkins, and Consultant to the Commission for Public Affairs Herbert Hetu. (Photo by Michael Evans/White House via CNP/Getty Images)
So, in this photo and and I’ll read the names. This is President Reagan with the President’s Commission on Strategic Forces. [Alpha reads the names listed above . -GC]
Colonel Towner:
I know about half of those people there. Deutsch was the deputy secretary of defense to William Perry. William Perry was the Secretary of Defense when my ex-husband worked for — he was actually in the Deutsch – Perry SEC def suite. As a the a senior enlisted adviser. Woolsley’s a former CIA director, obviously Helm’s CIA, so you’ve got the whole cadre there.
Alpha Warrior:
And the reason I wanted to bring this one up is because prior to going down rabbit holes, Most of us loved Reagan. Like his approval ratings were just amazing. And this guy was surrounded by Operation Gladio.
Colonel Towner:
Yes. And used it extensively.
Alpha Warrior:
And the reason I share that is because if we really loved Reagan, that tells you how good they are at propaganda and MK Ultra through radio and television and and everything else. Like they have mastered that.
I look forward to the next part. Colonel.
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GOOD GRIEF! I knew I disliked what Reagan allowed to happen to US owned American corporations via Leveraged buyouts, but I did not realize he was such a tool of the International Cartel!
I sure hope War Clandestine is correct!
