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- Latest Update 1:00am Eastern, February 9, 2020.
- We have a leak out of Taiwan News Service (The AP of Taiwan – February 1st, 2020. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 ) via Tencent which has been very reliable, reporting 154,023 infected and 24K dead. ( Start at 4:30 in video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWIKtjAVDRg ) We’re investigating. Lancet Media out of UK (highly reliable for peer reviewed studies and Dr. Gabriel Yung, the virus hunter, from Univ of Hong Kong, have both estimated approx. 150-155K infected and 20-25K dead at approx 3:30 in video) Therefore, the numbers coming from Taiwan News Service, Dr. Yung, and Lancet, are almost identical. Speculation is that Taiwan News is keeping 2 sets of books, an official tally and unofficial one. This is the 4th time Taiwan News has released specific numbers much larger than official count.
- Officially, total number of cases exceeds 37,198+cases worldwide, updated at 7:00pm Eastern Feb 5th.
- Officially, 811 Dead in dead, hardest-hit is Hubei province, 1:00am Eastern Feb 9th.
- Announced by Sec of Health and Human Services, Alex Azar, he approved Feb 4th a diagnostic, and through FDA which will be shipped to 170 labs to speed diagnosis (done within a month of receiving gene sequencing from China). Seeing about a 2% mortality rate according to Chinese REPORTED data. Stresses importance of getting OUR people from CDC (epidemiologists) into China to get a real gauge on how many are infected. The USA has been requesting entrance to HELP and see for ourselves since January 6th!
- Partnering with Regeneron on Coronaviris Drug Development (per Alex Azar)
- May take a year for a vaccine (per Alex Azar)
- 12 in the USA (human to human contact, mostly spouses)
- Approx 219 cases in 2 dozen countries (Johns Hopkins numbers, http://*https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 )
- China looking for financial relief? About 10:00pm on February 5, 2020, Laura Ingraham announced China would “half” their tariffs on 75 Billion worth of US imported goods as they sought further negotiation with the White House.
- Exceeds death toll from the 2002-03 Sars outbreak (349 dead)
- Good Source: China’s National Health Commission, reported by: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinas-hubei-province-reports-64-new-deaths-more-than-2300-new-infections
Time has come for another update thread on the Coronavirus. We have a National Emergency declared by Sec. Alex Azar. Dr. Robert Redfield is the Director of CDC. Across media, surprisingly non-political, the WH team is being lauded as serious. Within the USA, 11+ people infected, 191 under investigation. Dr. Anthony Falchi, Director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. Steve Began is Deputy Sec of State. Sec. of Homeland Security, Ken Cuccinelli, Dept of Transportation, among others, are all involved. It’s an “all hands on deck approach”.
- We started covering the Coronavirus on January 25th, 2020. This is our third update. SEVERAL QTreepers have backgrounds in this field, or similar fields, and are quite comfortable in the vernacular. Learn from them. Their breadth of knowledge is amazing.
- Our first thread = https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/20200127-coronavirus-update-thread/
- Our second thread = https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/20200125-coronavirus/
Flights to and from China have shut down. Borders to Hong Kong, Russia, DPRK, Tibet, have all closed as a precaution. The Forbidden City, Shanghai Disneyland, The Great Wall, tourist attractions are all shut down. American companies in Chin have shuttered. Starbuck’s, McDonald’s locations are closed. Between 50-90 million people are designated as “quarantined”. Within China, as of this date 811 are dead, approx 37K+ infected, and approx 80-90 THOUSAND people are being “observed”. Half the factories in China have extended “golden week” and will not go back to work. Over 80% of China’s export production has been shut down. As far as Beijing, a city of 35 million people, the streets are noticeably empty.
Different countries are responding in various ways. Italy had 6000 people stuck on a cruise ship because they learned of one passenger from Wuhan.
In Japan, a cruise ship with 3700 aboard has been quarantined as 61 people test positive for the Coronavirus, including two Americans. From the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/travel/story/2020-02-05/coronavirus-cruise-passengers-diamond-princess
Hat tip to ItsWoot, this might be a great source to check: This is the website for the military version of the Center for Disease Control (CDC) Nothing here yet, or any other recent updates, on Coronavirus. Maybe worth checking on for research insights that they may come up with independent of the CDC. https://www.usamriid.army.mil/
Follow the Hashtag #Coronavirus on Twitter but be leery of information, even from blue-checked-marked accounts. Remember, a journalist with a degree in English doesn’t know squat about infectious diseases. We truly do NOT want to disseminate bad information and unnecessarily scare the public.
The source of https://pandemic.warroom.org/ is excellent for updates. Steve Bannon, Jason Miller (Trump Camp Comms Director for Transition), and Raheem Kassan (Breitbart editor in London) started a “War Room” broadcast for Impeachment. About a week ago, they started a separate War Room for the Pandemic, one of the first to jump on the issue. This source gathers info from all over media, other sources, and has clips from a daily update.
The War Room folks have been following the Pandemic, analyzing impact on health and economy for over a week. Please bookmark and follow for more info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZgoa-viEQc
- This is a DAILY UPDATE
- Within this and other episodes, an examination of how this problem reorients the just-in-time supply chain. All multi-nationals are re-examining their biz models asap. Everything will change.
- Almost 2/3 of Chinese Economy is shut down.
- Apple announcing delays in delivery of IPhones
- Interview with Dr. Stephen Hatfield, Author of 3 Seconds Until Midnight, Professor at George Washington Univ., BioDefense Senior Researcher at the Army’s Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases —– perhaps the best facility in the world to address this problem.
- Multiple experts funnel in and out of this program.
- Try to buy a facemask on Amazon
- 97% of our vaccines are made in China.
- Story about the cab driver and opthamologist in Wuhan who were talking on December 8th-9th, about a Sars type virus in Wuhan and were arrested for spreading false rumors. On Friday, seven weeks later, they were released with a FULL apology from what is the Supreme Court of China (Let’s check the last time the High Court of China issued an apology – shall we?)
- Trade delegation from China to sign trade deal had 20-25 people in it……. they didn’t say a word. (Just like the Japanese in WW2 before Pearl Harbor.) Apparently, we KNEW about the problem and since Jan 6th-9th have been offering USA assistance.
- Last clause in Phase One trade agreement contains exception for Acts of God, Emergency, etc. Fear that China purchasing from USA could be delayed or cancelled. Larry Kudlow confirms “delay” in a Fox Biz interview on Feb 4, 2020.
- USA has formally and informally offered assistance to China on MULTIPLE occasions beginning on January 6th, 2020. USA is concerned about getting accurate stats and info for incubation period, mortality rate, number of dead, ill, etc., and concerned we are not getting accuracy in reporting from CCP. NOW, the Chinese have agreed to allow in a team from the WHO, to include American physicians. Note: several members of the WHO were recently replaced by those who favor China.
The following study is leaking out of India and causing serious alarm. It’s why our stock market was down 600 points last Friday. STUDY is NOT confirmed as yet and has been removed, but drifting all over the internet. We thought it was a good idea to address the rumor and NOT avoid it. Those who are seriously involved on this issue are crawling all over these findings. Why? Because of the alleged results. India study claims there is another RNA strand in the virus….. which would not naturally occur, implying it is a bioweapon or manufactured by man. People flipped out over this rumor and the market sold off in a big way. Again, NOT confirmed and serious questions about peer review for this study – study has been REMOVED which only raises more questions.
Article title: Coronavirus Contains “HIV Insertions”, Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon
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by Tyler Durden
Fri, 01/31/2020 – 17:35An excerpt from the conclusion of the article:
…Until he realized something disturbing. Oh my god. Indian scientists have just found HIV (AIDS) virus-like insertions in the 2019-nCov virus that are not found in any other coronavirus. They hint at the possibility that this Chinese virus was designed [“not fortuitous’]. Scary if true. https://t.co/h6xPX1gYvj pic.twitter.com/kCpd1I00uE
— Anand Ranganathan (@ARanganathan72) January 31, 2020
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
“Scary”… but relax, it’s just another ridiculous “conspiracy.”
The information is pouring out from all source at this point.
The letters and Diaries of our grandparents provide useful advice as to how they survived the Spanish Flu of 1918. Look through our past posts for full details, and great stories. General advice is to take off shoes, clothes, at the back door and shower immediately when entering the home. Clothes washed in hottest water possible, cleaning surfaces and switch-plates, no rubbing of eyes, and a great deal of hand-washing.
HERE IT IS, H/T TO DEP AND CONCERNED VIRGINIAN: Advice on how to get thru the Spanish Flu from 1918:
Concerned Virginian posted this on Thursday, Jan. 30’s Open Thread. I’m just going to copy the instructions part of the post:
From a posting by a person who received an email from an MD friend — this MD is ALREADY doing these:
N-100 masks and disposable gloves for ALL outside interactions beginning 7 February (already doing this in-clinic);
Replace ALL home air filters / AC and heatpump filters every 2 weeks until the danger passes;
Disinfect ALL doorknobs / railings / handles etc. with disinfectant wipes (hospital-grade);
HOTTEST WATER possible / tolerable for laundry / dishwasher / showering;
Have a “drop room” area in the home where ALL clothes are removed upon returning home. These clothes go directly into the washing machine. SHOES are sprayed inside and out with Lysol. Proceed to take a hot shower and put on clean clothes.
This MD’s grandfather (also an MD) followed a similar routine during the 1918-1920 Great Spanish Flu pandemic. Apparently they have the grandmother’s diary from that time which detailed how they survived.
From other comments:
If the Wuhan Coronavirus does indeed follow the various projections of infection / death rate, it will be imperative for people to be able to shelter in place for an extended time, with only medical personnel and (probably limited) police-fire-EMS services available to work outside the home.
It will be imperative for people to have enough supplies, including prescription drugs, at home..
New Chiefio thread on the virus:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/global-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
Look forward to your responses. Thank you for participating.
https://twitter.com/IsmailEngrrind/status/1223472163262533633
the angels in Chinese hospitals，
the real heros！Respect
China’s Future looking a bit DICEY:
• √ Poultry Crisis: Bird flu
• √ Pork Supply Crisis: African swine fever
• √ Soy Bean Supply Crisis: Army Worm
• √ Economy People-Supply Crisis: CoronaVirus
• √ Tourist Supply Crisis:
… Travel Bans & Airline Route Closings
• √ Chinese Pariah Crisis:
… Visa Cancellations & Deportations
• √ Export Crisis:
… “Upcoming” Import Bans & Port Controls
• √ Materials Import Supply Crisis:
… “Upcoming” Shipping Standstills
• √ Currency Liquidity Crisis:
… Plummeting $$$ from Export-Economy
• √ Bankruptcy Crisis:
… Revenue Drought in Over-Leveraged Companies
BTW … China’s Stock Market opens Monday after 10-day Closure … 😬
China extended the Golden week, Chinese New Year for a few provinces or many…another seven to ten days. Related to Corona. Easier for folks to simply stay home. Ideally help contain corona, me thinks.
Wondering if China’s Stock Market will remain closed another week. IF it opens, a drubbing is virtually guaranteed. Betting it’ll remain closed.
They reaping what they’ve been sowing.
Zero fucks given
This been posted yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcM_lTAqvzA
Sri Lanka’s only #CoronaVirus patient a Chinese tourist who arrived from Wuhan, now completly recovered after receiving treatment at a hospital in Colombo – Director General of Health Services
That’s very interesting.
We just used clorox wipes on all our door knobs and switch plates in the office yesterday. Got plenty of masks due to my job. been taking extra vitamins and washing more than normal. Good hygiene goes a way!
a LONG way…
Do not forget that you can also use isopropyl alcohol. (Better on your hands than Chlorox for direct decontamination when water & soap not available)
I will post this again:
Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus
Thank you, Gail.
You had so much great info in these threads.
Appreciate it.
Gail, I brailled this out for my use. My father was a pharmacist, and he was a big believer in taking large doses of vitamin c to fight these things.
https://twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal/status/1223515720127901697
Inside the quarantine room of a #Wuhan hospital.
Just lost another life 😰#WuhanCoronavirusOutbreak #wuhanpnemonia #coronavirus
Zero medical training. Person in the bed where video made, seems to be breathing quite rapidly.
Incredibly sad place to be.
The fact that ZeroHedge was suspended on Twitter for posting about the HIV insertion lends weight to the India study.
We need to watch for further confirmation or squelching.
Trump’s people are not PC in the least and will let us know!
Yes it does.
This point is CRITICAL:
What do we know about Grad students??? THEY ARE POOR!
Any bets one of these just graduated students might have sold ‘used’ still alive bats to the Wet Market 20 miles away instead of ‘properly’ disposing of them???
Is this why Twitter and Buzzfeed went ballistic?
or this….
this coronavirus is worse b/c of HIV(AIDS)-like INSERTIONS , according to research doctors mentioned and referenced in the article linked below…
article/link…
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
very alarming indications there….and notice the graphs…
CENSORED BY AKISMET, DISGUISED AS A “SPAM FILTER”, IN AUTOMATTIKKK’S 3-CARD MONTE SCHEME
ZeroHedge had this totally right. As soon as I saw that Peng paper I knew what was up.
Start compiling the list of people and orgs conspiring for the non-solution of the epidemic……
Twitter
Hatfill
Akismet
WordPress
Automattic
Did you see how Twitter’s excuse on going after ZeroHedge was that they DOXXED Peng?
Peng is the LEAD to solving this! It’s outrageous! The RATS who would SILENCE anybody trying to solve this. Twitter and Jack are worse than Feinstein tipping off the satanic Night Stalker Ramirez so he could evade the cops! (Yeah, read about THAT ONE!)
Jack needs to be behind BARS for protecting the epidemic. But they’re SO SNEAKY – I doubt he will ever be convicted for his part in THE COUP.
I mean, goddamn it – Peng did this fucking exact same research! Don’t tell me this shit is natural!!!
Sorry – I need sleep. This is NUTS.
and what “better” part of the world to start something like this… by design …than the teeming, overpopulated, over-crowded streets and provinces of China…
FYI
please read this….The Man Behind The Coronavirus ?
article link…
https://principia-scientific.org/the-man-behind-the-global-coronavirus-pandemic/
Jan 29, 2020
Will do shortly. Too much poo is being flung my way today – obviously intentionally. THANKS for this in advance!
Re that report from India about the RNA strain, Zero Hedge was suspended from Twitter for reporting that after a Buzzfeed reporter complained. At least that’s the story that is circulating. Apparently, there was some chain in there that looked like HIV or something similar.
That’s just what I’m seeing in various tweets.
Yeah, scary stuff alright.
Now we know we the market was in chaos.
Daughn it is very scary.
I suggest reading the Great Game India articles. They lay out the evidence very nicely.
From David A. @ Chiefio
*https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/global-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
Remember it is an article about a BAT EXPERT that cause Twitter to ban Zerohedge.
Followed by:
Have to wonder, what was the genetic material that was taken from Canada, and delivered to China (that got the female doctor fired, etc.)?????
Could that have been a precursor strain, or the problem strain itself???
FROM Q
Today’s count:
11,374 cases – most in China – now 7 in USA of which all have traveled to China. This says a lot about the disease.
LINK – https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Afternoon count:
12,036 – still only 7 in USA – all have traveled to China.
“It’s time to leave politics aside.”
Not to disagree with you Daughn. The sentiment is right but you know those leftists won’t leave politics aside. They’ve never met a crisis they weren’t happy to exploit for political purposes. For them, “everything is politics” – it is their religion, one to which they have an unwavering slavish devotion.
Oh Punkin, I know you are right.
They will “never let a crisis go to waste”.
That is PRECISELY their attitude, and that’s why they act like they have no friggin’ life outside of politics.
“The letters and Diaries of our grandparents provide useful advice as to how they survived the Spanish Flu of 1918. Look through our past posts for full details, and great stories. General advice is to take off shoes, clothes, at the back door and shower immediately when entering the home. Clothes washed in hottest water possible, cleaning surfaces and switch-plates, no rubbing of eyes, and a great deal of hand-washing.”
That’s worth digging up and adding to the post! 🙂
OK folks – taking the kids for the museum trip – BBL
It was posted on the daily thread…Thursday, maybe? I’ve got a few minutes. I can find it.
Thank you Dep. I searched for 20 minutes and finally put in what I could remember. If you find it, would be most appreciative and I can edit it into the main thread.
I just searched for 1918. Came up on the second page.
See there— this is why I hang out with you.
Some other suggestions:
1. Get a shallow plastic tray you can put water and bleach in to stand in before entering the house:
You can get them in the automotive section for ~$20
….
2. Have a plastic box with Chlorox soaked towels in your car so you can wipe your shoes before getting in the car. Carry Hand sanitizer. If you can not find it you can use Isopropyl alcohol for sanitizing your hands and steering wheel.
3. Ethyl Alcohol (wine, vodka…) in the blood stream will kill a virus that you just contracted during the first 24 hours per study a fellow chemist was in. Unfortunately it also wipes out your Vitamin C.
4. DO NOT LET YOUR HUBBY SHOP! It is much more fatal to men.
Men are 3 times as likely to get it, and men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers that give you 2019nCoV. Asians have 5 times as much as Africans/Europeans.
*https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
5. STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN!
6. You do not have to be sick to spread the virus. (Just ‘a little cough’…)
Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany
Interesting about ACE2. My son takes Enalapril (similar to Captopril in the USA), which is an ACE-inhibitor. As such, it keeps the ACE receptors, erm, occupied. I wonder if people who are on these types of meds (don’t want to have to find out…) have some sort of protection due to that. ACE-inhibitors are also useful for those with kidney problems….
If the virus can’t find receptors…
ARB is better than ACE, block the receptor. However, the studies suggest this works for lung fluid from injury to the tissue, not for fluid from viral loads. I can try to link a very lengthy PMC below.
Concerned Virginian posted this on Thursday, Jan. 30’s Open Thread. I’m just going to copy the instructions part of the post:
From a posting by a person who received an email from an MD friend — this MD is ALREADY doing these:
N-100 masks and disposable gloves for ALL outside interactions beginning 7 February (already doing this in-clinic);
Replace ALL home air filters / AC and heatpump filters every 2 weeks until the danger passes;
Disinfect ALL doorknobs / railings / handles etc. with disinfectant wipes (hospital-grade);
HOTTEST WATER possible / tolerable for laundry / dishwasher / showering;
Have a “drop room” area in the home where ALL clothes are removed upon returning home. These clothes go directly into the washing machine. SHOES are sprayed inside and out with Lysol. Proceed to take a hot shower and put on clean clothes.
This MD’s grandfather (also an MD) followed a similar routine during the 1918-1920 Great Spanish Flu pandemic. Apparently they have the grandmother’s diary from that time which detailed how they survived.
From other comments:
If the Wuhan Coronavirus does indeed follow the various projections of infection / death rate, it will be imperative for people to be able to shelter in place for an extended time, with only medical personnel and (probably limited) police-fire-EMS services available to work outside the home.
It will be imperative for people to have enough supplies, including prescription drugs, at home..
New Chiefio thread on the virus:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/global-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
there we go, thank you!
The HOT water part is especially important. If you have hardwood floors, scrub with hot vinegar water. When cleaning bathrooms, kitchen floor, etc., be sure the water is HOT, as hot as you can stand with rubber gloves.
Also goes for CLOTHES!
If you must go out wear clothes that can be washed in HOT WATER WITH CHLOROX!
Pinesol is the other option instead of Chlorox for sanitizing clothes and surfaces.
VERY GOOD INSTRUCTIONS
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https://foodsafety.wisc.edu/consumer/fact_sheets/Cleaners_Sanitizers.pdf
On cloth dishtowels, have enough of a supply they can be changed out every day. We get decent ones at Walmart and they are not that expensive.
Good idea.
We buy a lot of the white hand towels and use them as wipe rags for our ponies. Isopropyl alcohol on a rag does wonders for spot cleaning stains and mud in the winter and getting rid of an ‘itch’ in the summer. Unlike soap it just evaporates and does not have to be rinsed.
White towels can then be popped into the washer with Chlorox to clean them.
On the origin of the virus…..
Here’s the infamous ZH article:
https://twitter.com/Yehoshua70/status/1223588352429035520
ZH article – https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
Thanks. This seems productive. I’m betting something got out of his lab.
Or – is this the ZH article that incensed Twitter to suspend him?
Coronavirus Contains “HIV Insertions”, Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
If the nCoV contains an anti-immune function paired effect – that would be a double jeopardy – an evil scheme indeed and proof it is an intentional bioweapon. Only a real hater with an agenda would do such a thing.
Quote: “In “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag”, Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus’s RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.”
I think they’re right. LAB ACCIDENT. Just like Chinese industrial accidents.
Back when genetic engineering became a reality, America had a HUGE public discussion, and AMERICAN SCIENCE – acting in an abundance of caution – LISTENED. They came up with protocols and reassurances to prevent problems.
Some would argue that we were a bit TOO SAFE – but look – no big accidents.
China? World’s dumping ground for “get it done with no opposition” China?
Yeah. This is making sense now. LOTS of sense.
LAB ACCIDENT.
From cocky to careless to crisis. China has been known to pollute and poison whole villages in mining rare but toxic earths. China has polluted much of their arable land.
China has a low value for human life… that is the key factor in lab accidents, toxic baby and dog food, selling us low grade steel, bakeware that explodes in the oven, and buildings collapsing, etc.
Yes, there is plenty of reason to think that it’s just more of their crap. I won’t deny that.
If it was a pushed accident, you’ll never know unless there is a screw-up in the operation. That’s the beauty of doing what is already plausible. You just make it happen WHEN you need it, and HOW you need it, to reap on it.
TIMING is everything.
Instead of this kind of biological (warfare) research, they should put their brains to removing pollution from China’s land and rivers! Of course, there may be an American or several (Gates, S0r0$, Turner) behind this.
Turner’s full name has 6 letters each.
I think we’re gonna need a deep dive on this guy no matter what!
Yep. I think Turner’s the one behind the Georgia “Guidestones”. Fits with his philosophy.
Have to wonder about Hanoi Jane. She supposedly converted to Christianity, then more or less disappeared, only to show up again as a liberal rebel. Wonder if she was designated to try to turn(er) the Church to the left… a la Emerson Fosdick…
Found this link from a pede. Need help confirming this study as true, and not planted. So far, seems solid. Repeat, I cannot cofirm this study, yet.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00705-010-0729-6
This is huge. I’ll explain in a second.
I’m putting my reply at the bottom of the page. Means, motive, opportunity. This is the key.
Intersting thing about the links I posted below, the same viruses are clumped together in the studies and respond to the same treatments. HPV, HIV, Hepatitis, coronavirus, influenza. So from a genetic view, makes sense why these may be spliced together.
POTUS talks about the AIDS epidemic being eradicated at every rally. Seems so random and out of place in the speech, yet, we know, nothing POTUS says is random. POTUS knows! He’s got this!
Yes – these antivirals are pretty much a class like beta lactams – they all work by pretty much the same basic mechanism – at least in my opinion.
Dr. Thayer wrote this one. I’ve seen him interviewed.
WaPost spent a lot of time trying to knock him, ………. until it exploded.
And they couldn’t ignore it.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/480075-chinas-biological-chernobyl-different-country-same-lies
Now, China has BIRD FLU.
They just got over SWINE FLU
We’re in the midst of Coronavirus.
GHEEZ
Not this again. My poultry source told me that after the last bout in the US, it was going to take two years just to recover the number of laying hens needed to replenish what was destroyed.
We need to be careful here. This sounds like a STRIKE on America launched from CHYYYNNAA.
Well, from somewhere.
Good point!
Maybe worth putting on a prep list are one-piece disposable bunny suits that are designed for biological and other related uses. They are not that expensive. Might be worthwhile to have one or more on hand for an emergency that cannot be anticipated now. They come in a variety of sizes for specific use. Plan on the clothing being worn underneath to figure out sizing.
Cheap insurance?
https://www.safespec.dupont.com/products/tyvek.corebrand$$TYVEK.html#.
These can be picked up on eBay for under $10. Anyone have any experience with bunny suits to guide us on what would be best?
Not related to this kind of situation:
http://www.unitarduniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/RalphieBunnySuit01.jpg
The other option is disposable plastic boots. Used by livestock people to keep from tracking disease:
*https://www.qcsupply.com/footwear/disposable.html
Or just get rubber muck boots ($25) and sanitize in a Chlorox bath.
*https://www.qcsupply.com/northerner-mens-max-15-boot-standard-toe.html
I get mine a little large and stuff them with a heavy insole so they are more comfortable.
They are readily available at tractor supply and are water proof. Nice for yard work, gardening or even snow.
OH, and the ladies boots come in nice colors & patterns too.
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/the-original-muck-boot-company-womens-10-in-muckster-ii-mid-boot
https://media.tractorsupply.com/is/image/TractorSupplyCompany/1268270?$456$
https://media.tractorsupply.com/is/image/TractorSupplyCompany/1376033?$456$
I have Sloggers™ that also come in colors and patterns for men and women, have removable washable insoles. About $30-35. or cheaper on ebay.
Made in the USA! https://www.sloggers.com
I’ve got three sets of muck boots, one pair of which is insulated for winter use. I also use the insoles.
Any thoughts on adding Borax to laundry loads?
Does it have germ (virus/bacteria) killing capabilities? Unknown to me…
We do not use borax in our recipe for laundry detergent.
use with caution:
https://www.thespruce.com/flock-names-of-groups-of-birds-386827
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1007587/
https://www.healthyandnaturalworld.com/borax/
We use Diatomaceous earth which one must use with similar caution. however, it is a specific use at a specific time (gardening) v. ongoing and scooping it daily without use of mask by younger members of the family.
easy to make effective detergent without borax so we avoid it since wanted son to be able to scoop detergent and put in machine + we saw no reason for we ourselves to have to fool with it.
Add essential oil to laundry to increase killing germs? HOT water goes a long way…
Maybe add vinegar? We use this around the house to clean along with essential oils, baking soda and washing soda (make our own by baking baking soda)
Huge jugs of clear vinegar are inexpensive
Huge boxes of baking soda are inexpensive
We buy both at costco
the smell washes out, eps. by the time you get your clothes out of the dryer.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-01-12/does-vinegar-really-kill-household-germs/8806878
Vinegar is an acid so I would not recommend in the washing machine. Fine on surfaces.
OH, and NEVER pour HOT WATER INTO A TOILET!!! There is a wax ring as a seal and it will melt. Mom did that by mistake once. What a mess!
we clean the toilet with vinegar solutions but not hot water. Was thinking of the clothes – between the two most germs would be killed?
Vinegar is excellent as a substitute for fabric softener. Especially if you have hard water. If you want disinfecting, hang your clothes/towels/sheets outside on the line. Sunlight really IS the best disinfectant. And it’s free.
I actually washed A LOT of stuff with it when we had a flea infestation. It kills the eggs.
I was not sure on the anti-viral/anti-bacterial which is why I asked. There’s enough people on these boards with chemistry backgrounds, I asked for clarification.
One of the issues with laundry is that not everything CAN be washed in hot. Anything with spandex, for one. Certain colors. Sheets and towels I have no problem washing in hot, but not my intimates or reds.
That is why I would suggest picking out ONE set of clothes for use and then toss after the crisis is over. At this point I really do not care what I look like I only care that I stay healthy.
OH, and New Balance has decent looking walking shoes that are water resistant and dry very fast:
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I’m actually on year 2-3 of most of my current wardrobe. It will be due to replaced, so….
Gail, so does Propet: walking shoes…washable.
for a bit more variety.
Borax is more of an insecticide. We, in North Carolina, have boron poor soil that leads to arthritis so I use it as a detergent booster in my laundry that then ends up in my leach field adding boron to the soil.
https://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/uses-for-household-borax/
I would stick with Chlorox, it evaporates leaving no residue (I used it to sanitize fish tanks as a kid.) Or Pine-sol for sanitizing the laundry.
SInce half my wardrobe is black, Pinesol it is.
Mine is denim, thus the Pinesol or Borax. I only use Chlorox on whites.
China announced “Golden Week” extended. 23 Provinces in China ordered factory workers to NOT return to work until Feb 10th.
Estimated hit to China GDP = 2%
Also
China announced the export no PPE equipment (personal protection equipment)
There goes your supply chain.
DO NOT FORGET POCKETS FULL OF PENNIES!!!
They can be used in store as a dry sanitizer.
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“Incorporation of copper alloy surfaces in conjunction with effective cleaning regimens and good clinical practice could help to control transmission of respiratory coronaviruses, including #MERS and #SARS.”
Remember to clean your car door handles, in inside car door handles and buttons, radio buttons/screen, steering wheel & gear shift.
I hand spray often with essential oil & alcohol based spray and yet not every time.
Clean sprayed hands touching dirty things…dirty hands again!
big place to pick up germs…pumping gas!
Husband always wears plastic gloves and then disposes of them before getting back into the car. I hand spray after.
two other spots for germs – our billfolds, credit cards & handles/outside of purses + electronics…esp. phones!
What kind of essential oils do you use?
Brand? Butterfly Express. We became a wholesale customer a while back. Even at retail they are a better price than most but still good quality.
Become a whole sale customer by buying $800 (used to be $400) at retail cost in a 1 month period of time. Whole sale prices forever more.
Tip: we bought an order of around $200 at the beginning of 1 month (payday is the end of the month) and then were ready to place 2nd order for $200 on the next pay day, the last day of the same month =$400 at retail in one month. Does’t have to be at once, just same month. do it by phone v. online
Tip 2: the way they did it at the time (& this surprised us) was that the as soon as our 2nd order reached the $200 mark, the whole ordered dropped down to whole sale costs + we were credited with the difference between retail/wholesale costs from our first order. In other words (if they are still doing it the same way) you don’t actually have to spend $800 … just has to equal $800 at the retail costs but when you reach the $800 mark it then drops to whole sale. they didn’t wait to drop it down to whole sale for the next order – it was on the very first order! So the $800 at retail is really going to cost you only the wholesale price.
I have been happy with their customer service, their quality and their wide range of offerings. I occasionally buy a different brand because of something urgent or something they don’t have (only thing I have wanted that they didn’t have was cucumber and that was just for fun anyway so not a big deal) or because I want something cheaper for cleaning or non human purposes (peppermint sprayed generous at mud wasps and their favorite entrances to our garage and used under the house to deter mice, for example + garden pest usages).
Side story: I was doing the ordering on the phone for our essential oils & to get set up as a wholesale customer. husband was with our then toddler/preschooler.
0e had budgeted the $200 + shipping, which I find reasonable from them. When the cost of our order dropped back to whole sale prices And I was credited back with the cost of retail uncharge from the 1st order of that month, I instantly thought “wonderful – we can get more!”.
being tight on our budget we had made our list of what we wanted and then had to select from that as too many/too much. Now I quickly went back to that list and was so excited we could have more & some larger bottles of small bottles we were already going to order saving even more $!
I could hardly wait to tell my husband how are the $200 went – MUCH more than we thought we would have gotten by about well over $100 at retail costs as mark up is about 25-30%!!!
He had a much different response that had Not even occurred to me…we could have kept the order tight, at exactly what we had parred it down to in order to fit the $200 budget but saved money/paid so much less. Oh. Never thought of that. He and I are different …. Me: MORE stuff! Him: More $!
Of course, I was buying useful EOs for our health not exactly throwing it away or spending money or clothes or a store bought hair cut (yes, he has NO idea how inexpensive of a wife, how low maintenance I really am!) but still, it didn’t occur to me to spend less in that situation. Was thrilled at the blessing of being able to provide more for us whereas he would have seen the blessing as getting the bare minimums for less $ and the extra $ as the blessing. Different. God gave us each other for balance, I suppose!
If you mean which oils…I am not an expert. Just a housewife you had read some stuff so don’t take this as a recommendation.
laundry essential oils – I like to use lemon and/or orange because I like them and they have functionality in the laundry. Like them with whites. Also, use tea tree for germs if needed. Also use a blend, Sunburst.
I like to add a few drops of some kind of citrus or lavender to my detergents just for me – nice to take of the lid to use and in the middle of housework get that whiff, pick me up, pleasantness. ha – when you are a housewife on a budge its the little things! 🙂
(and All of our kitchen & foundational garments go into “whites” regardless of color as I want those sanitized).
(Also use hydrogen peroxide on occasion as needed for work undershirts and white button downs, etc. We do use clorox on our shower liners and rarely in our whites, 1x or 2x a year. I don’t want bleach smell around me, family or in our ground water that then feeds to our garden! but if we are sick or all isn’t working and husband’s work shirts are looking dingy or for our shower curtain liners, clorox it is! Always good to have a jug on hand just in case of serious illness)
Vinegar, cheap vodka and baking soda go a long way even without essential oils in keeping the house clean. And course salt. (cheap vodka for cleaning solutions…the good bourbon making house work pleasant! ha but it is funny to see me, housewife homeschool mom in the rural South, buying a big jug of cheap vodka. I always feel so scandalous!)
Thank you for the info and tips! Much appreciated.
we make our own washing soda by baking baking soda
buy very inexpensively at costco
You’re welcome!
If you have to shop, either pay with a credit card or use EXACT CHANGE.
I am saving up $1, $5, $10, $20 and a lot of coins especially pennies just in case. I do not want any cash given to me if we have a crisis.
Instead of carrying a purse, use a small wallet or in a pinch a plastic bag to hold your credit card or cash. You can then slip it into a pocket to carry.
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Now is the time to go to a thrift shop and buy a set of ‘throw-away’ clothes WITH POCKETS you can use for this or for painting, washing the car, gardening, yard work….
Most “supplies” for emergencies have multiple uses and are just a matter of wise living – like your extra clothes suggestion. And having them a bit big w/plenty of pockets. One needn’t talk or decorate or dress like a pepper 24/7 in camo for example to live a prepper life style, to be prepared, educated and wise. stuff happens. 100 yrs ago it was just part of “adulting” to have flashlights, candles, batteries, homemade remedies, come cash on hand, and food put by
one of the most contaminated things on the planet : MONEY …
currencies
coins
…wash/sterilize hands after use of filthy lucre.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/global-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
Chiefio has lots of great information about the Wuhan Coronavirus, its spread, etc. It appears that people posting on this thread are ALREADY instituting high levels of precautionary effort — well before the 7 February date mentioned in the forwarded email from an MD to a commenter there: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/26/chinese-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-2019-ncov/; posting by “llanfar” on 29 January 2020 at 4:02am
Here’s another link to the Indian research team’s findings on a possible HIV-like presence in the Wuhan Coronavirus:
http://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf+html
As I posted on the earlier Wuhan Coronavirus thread, IF there is a PROVEN presence of HIV or HIV-like RNA / genome in the Wuhan virus, that opens up a Pandora’s Box of issues related to HIV seroconversion / antibody development timeframes — AIDS onset timeframes — transmission between people who may come down with the Wuhan virus, survive it, but STILL have potential traces of any “piggybacked” HIV presence in their blood, etc.
At this point, it may well be that getting supplies in for a potential “shelter at home” period of 2 – 3 months is something to discuss among family now, with immediate steps to get in what is required by the second week of February.
The populace in the U.S. is for the next couple of days distracted by the Super Bowl and by a lesser degree to the Fake impeachment of POTUS and the State of the Union Address.
However, once these distractions leave and there is worsening news about the spread of the Wuhan Coronavirus in the united States, all bets are off regarding the ability to get supplies — especially items like N-95 (minimum) and N-100 masks / disposable gloves / rubber gloves / bleach / disinfectant wipes / bottled water / vitamin C / etc.
Each household will come up with its own unique list of items to secure.
I’m NOT saying “OK. go full Mormon” and get in supplies for a year. But they DO have a good point about being prepared and NOT relying on the government to be there when the chips are really down.
sorry to be the remedial study but I need a little help
Are you saying that this various could be a weaponized virus with the HIV insertion not to strengthen this virus, taking a part of something else to add to this to make it worse but as a vehicle for human to human spread of HIV that will function like actual HIV in the future, down the road for those who get this “vehicle” virus and survive it?!!!
the HIV is being introduced by this virus v. components/elements used to develop this virus into a terrible thing in and of itself?
Is that what you are saying it might be or did I misunderstand?
*remedial student…not “study”…but kind of that too! ha
“Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nC0V spike to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag”
Title to the referenced Biorx article above. The Abstract states that FOUR inserts were found in samples of the Wuhan Coronavirus that DO NOT exist in other Coronaviruses.
This study and article are now subjects of intense investigation.
While nobody knows yet as to whether or not the Wuhan Coronavirus is a “lab experiment gone bad” and “somehow” escaped the bio research lab IN WUHAN; or whether the virus was in a lab animal that “somehow” wound up at the “wet market” in Wuhan for purchase / consumption; or via some other route — it appears now possible that another “element” could have been inserted into the virus.
From the Chiefio blog thread on the Wuhan Coronavirus — commenter “David A” on 1 February 2020 at 9:17am:
https://greatgameindia,com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/
There are now apparently FOUR “genetic sequences – mutations.” This would line up with the FOUR spikes found in the Biorx study / article referenced above.
The Chiefio blog has a lot of good stuff.
Most of the commenters are engineer/scientist types BTW. I ‘hung out’ there for years when they were trying to shove the CAGW hoax down our throats.
that blog site is an EXCELLENT source !
thanks for sharing !
if you don’t mind, I’m going to repost it again further down on this thread in case some ppl might miss it in all these comments, OK ?
At this point my mind is swimming and my time is up as have other things must do today.
been reading about the virus, transmission, what is happening on the ground, preventing transmission and home remedies. Not sure what was posted here and what I read else where.
Lungs and cytokine storms came up several places. Seems to be an over reaction to this virus in one’s lungs, from what I read and what I can understand.
What stood out to me are normally Very Good Immune helpers that one Doesn’t want to use in this case or might not want to use if cytokine storms are really the issue. This is helpful to me as some of these are exactly what I would have used! Aspirin is thought to have contributed to the high death rate in 1918 epidemic of Spanish Flu as good medicine but wrong illness &/or application. Could be same for these. Passing along in case it is helpful. I do not know enough about the virus to know if this is actually true so please take with a grain of salt as I only have the capability of vetting to a certain degree and maybe few can vet at this point because so much is still unknown.
Would like to hear more from others.
https://sites.google.com/site/naturalimmunesystemboosters/cytokine-storm
Good read on suggestion of Elderberry syrup for prevention, and to add anti-inflammatory if you are in the target range for cytokine storm. The link you provided is difficult to source, and (tinfoil hat here) and is quoted several different years in 6 of 9 links if duckduck search is used. I found that interdasting…..
https://www.ppt-health.com/sambucol-and-sambucus/sambucol-fights-bird-flu-special-concerns/
http://www.msn.com/
1st confirmed case of the Wuhan Coronavirus in MASSACHUSETTS.
This makes 8 confirmed cases in the U.S.
From the new Chiefio blog thread on the Wuhan Coronavirus:
“Another Ian” posting, 1 February 2020 9:13am —
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/1/31/chinese-censorship-goes-global-facebook-agrees-to-delete-corona-virus-posts-flagged-by-china/
Looks like we’re seeing just how deep the Deep State is…
Withholding information about a potentially global pandemic is beyond criminal; it’s MURDER!!!!!!!
Pets can carry 2019nCoV as well.
Yes, I have seen that it might also infect cats and dogs so you should keep your animals in. Not possible on a farm. 😥 But at least the house is well away from the road and far from other houses.
[…] https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/ […]
Just pinned this update to the top and put a reference in the last update to start posting here!
It is worth pointing out that as of 31 January, the total of confirmed cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus is, at OVER 11,000 people, following the SRIRAM CHANDA estimated projections as per the Chiefio blog and on Twitter.
His estimated projections show AT LEAST 100,000 confirmed cases by 5 February.
It is also worth noting that as FACEBOOK has agreed with Communist China to CENSOR the free flow of information on FB if Beijing “flags” anything, it is now ALSO possible that Twitter will start to do the same.
It may well be worth it, ESPECIALLY as the number of confirmed cases begin to rise exponentially worldwide AND/OR if the number of cases rise in the United States, to archive information found online that may be of interest.
It is also worth noting that researchers are ALREADY finding that people who get infected with the virus and “recover” are being found to be STILL HARBORING the virus, thus becoming “ignorant carriers”.
It is also worth noting that the various airline, etc., travel restrictions are going into effect between today AND AROUND 7 FEBRUARY — the date mentioned by the MD at the top of this thread as the date when PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) needs to be worn whenever outside the home and the “drop area” upon coming back home should be implemented.
If there are MD’s / RN’s / researchers, etc., especially if they have experience in Infectious Disease, can weigh in, that would be great. NOT to diagnose any individual, but to give more information / how to deal with the virus at the public level, etc.
The “ignorant carrier” revelation is reported in the New England Journal of Medicine (per posting at Chiefio blog).
It would be interesting to know the prognosis for someone who has recovered and is harboring the coronavirus.
Will it revitalize in that person? If so, over what period of time?
Is that person contagious? Or become contagious? Over what period of time?
“….It is also worth noting that researchers are ALREADY finding that people who get infected with the virus and “recover” are being found to be STILL HARBORING the virus, thus becoming “ignorant carriers”….”
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Just a note from personal experience.
I had a case of pneumonia one winter. A couple years later I started jogging working up to about five miles at a pretty fast jog. During this time I coughed like crazy. What I brought up was nasty very old dark yellow material that I would ASSume was left over from that bout with pneumonia.
Since this coronavirus attacks receptors deep in the lungs, I would expect to see similar ‘residual material’ harboring the virus left in the lungs to be shed at a later date. For how long this ‘residual material’ would harbour live virus I have no idea. We do know that this is the ‘material’ that is testing positive for the virus while cheek and throat swaps do not.
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This could be another problem:
One America News
@OANN
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Australia Bans Foreigners Traveling From China
https://oann.com/australia-bans-foreigners-traveling-from-china/ #OANN
Per the Chiefio blog dedicated thread on the virus:
As of today, the number of confirmed cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus is now 13, 801 IN COMMUNIST CHINA. Worldwide confirmed cases: 13,968. Total deaths: 304. Total “recovered”: 331.
Per Johns Hopkins survey of global cases.
Ro factor of the virus (reproduction number) is now 4.08. This is a MUCH larger number than the reported 1.25 etc. of a couple of days ago.
The 4.0 was reported here earlier:
The 4 means ONE person will infect FOUR other people.
Pre-print of a study from China (OFFICIAL)
Jan. 27, 2020 “Estimating the effective reproduction number of the 2019-nCoV in China”
Authors: Zhidong Cao (1), Qingpeng Zhang (1), Xin Lu, Dirk Pfeiffer, Zhongwei Jia, Hongbing Song, Daniel Dajun Zeng
I start chemo Monday. This doesn’t seem like a good time to have to stop all my supplements and garlic tabs at all.
Went to the Sunday vigil Mass this evening and father suspended the handshake of peace for the congregation.
SIL is traveling back from the ME this coming week and was going to drive come up to give me his great bearhugs between chemo rounds, but won’t be doing that for several weeks because of his international flight and stay.
Stay well all.
Prayers continuing Jane.
TY Kalbo
Bless you!
TY BKR.
Plain Jane,
Stay as isolated as you can.
Talk to your doctor about the supplements. He might tell you what you can and can not take. Chemo has been around since 1969. My Mom was one of the early ‘experiments.’ I imagine that the questions on supplements have been asked many many times in the last fifty years. (MY gosh has it been that long?)
We had the “educational experience” yesterday. The nurse said “ no supplements, just food.” She has no idea that I have a stash of homegrown garlic sautéed in butter in my freezer. They taste like lovely little golden brown gourmet nuts. 🙂
Jane, we love you. Prayers up.
TY DNW.
CDC had a warning not to have unprotected sex with animals. Huh!
Dr Janda Boost immune system
Thank you for posting this video. Best info on prevention thus far!
I am going to repost this, I posted it on the daily thread.
Those three links are MUST READS, they are real eye openers.
WILLARD “The Rat” ROMNEY
… Forevermore.
https://twitter.com/John_KissMyBot/status/1223704496116813825
I certainly hope he gets recalled. It is a fitting rebuke to this corrupt politician. And yes he has his hand in the Ukraine cookie jar.
This is DOA. I wish it weren’t, but it’s DOA.
So far as I can tell, there’s no way for a state to terminate a senator’s term. Once elected, they serve out their full term unless they die, are expelled by the senate, or resign.
In Colorado we attempted to impose term limits on our congresscritters, but this was tossed out by the courts because the US Constitution made no provision to allow states to do such a thing.
Phillipines
World Health Organization Philippines
@WHOPhilippines
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There are now 2 confirmed 2019-nCoV cases in the Philippines. The 1st confirmed case and the 2nd confirmed case are close contacts. Both are known residents of Wuhan, China.
The 44-year-old male experienced fever, cough & sore throat before being admitted at San Lazaro Hospital.
World Health Organization Philippines
@WHOPhilippines
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A 44-year-old male is confirmed as the second person with the 2019 novel coronavirus acute respiratory disease (2019-nCoV) in the Philippines. He passed away on 1 February 2020.
World Health Organization Western Pacific and Department of Health
Hey Vol, not slamming your WHO post, just WHO in general. I was typing mine when those went up.
No problem….not crazy about WHO either, just trying to share info as I come across it. The more we know….
While WHO models show a survivability rate of 94% based on the SEIRDC model, the combination of prevention and not being in China probably raises that number. (As Dr. Fauci said, CDC can’t get in to China, but WHO can?)
Prevention is always first choice, but treatments are available here.
Some links for consideration –
Regarding cytokine storms, lengthy (27 pgs +references), weedy, but has a great Table 1 on page 12, showing ways we in America can treat inflammation and fluid in the lungs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/#!po=26.1364
No monotherapy has been shown to be effective, but adding anti-inflammatories is shown to increase healing/survivability.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24520776
Weedy, but lots of hope in here. POTUS is right:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=29356205
Worth considering Elderberry n. to help with prevention of 2019nC, as well as Flu A and Flu B, which you are MUCH more likely to get.
https://bmccomplementmedtherapies.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6882-11-16
If you are concerned about cytokine storm and Elderberry n., see this link.
https://www.ppt-health.com/sambucol-and-sambucus/sambucol-fights-bird-flu-special-concerns/
And this one,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=12455180
In summary, there ARE many steps for prevention. Choose what nuggets work best for you and your family. Take peace in knowing that although very contagious, the coronavirus has a high survivability rate, and effective treatments are readily available. Be aware, be safe, but please don’t let the media get you spun up.
The UN health organization can, that’s who!
(Yeah, it’s a variation on “who’s on first.” So sue me.)
Armed police apparently enforcing the quarantine:
https://twitter.com/darkcityfm/status/1223691542386356229?s=20
https://twitter.com/RLemons94/status/1223828377926111233?s=20
very interesting
If a bio weapon, accidental release? Its in their own country first and worst so seems like an accidental release if it is not natural
It may have just been a DANGEROUS RESEARCH STRAIN.
See, that is what it would look like to the researcher. Not a weapon. A “deadlier version”.
Read that Zero Hedge article about Peng Zhou and think like a scientist. He wasn’t thinking weapons, even though he was working on weapons. The reason military research IN THE USA is so careful, is that the military respects the danger of potential weapons. Military scientists always had THE BEST work on nitro compounds, because they were prepared for what they were working with. It was fun to read their work. They could work with stuff that was simply too dangerous to replicate elsewhere.
This Zhou guy? He’s not .mil enough for my tastes. I think he was seriously self-deluded about the dangers of what he was doing, and didn’t realize the levels of precautions he needed. I will bet that he didn’t make his students fully aware of the dangers. All it takes is one slip-up.
Accidental release of a research organism. I am fully convinced that’s what it was.
And it gets worse, because it may not be China’s fault. It could be “them”. The “event people”. The “Cabal”. Anybody with serious MK capabilities. The people who did the hit on Reagan. March 1981.
They LOVE accidents. All they had to do was nail the right people with MK, and it’s over. They get what they want, and the BLAME is shifted to the wrong people. The people who set it up make GOBS of money.
How would the dark rogue CIA – the Sidney Gottlieb KGB-CIA – the SOVIET LEFT – get the money they need right now, being all cut off? They need something like THIS.
If China doesn’t try to finagle this into a stepped biowar scenario, then it means that from their perspective, it truly is an accident. They did not plan this.
But at the highest levels, the ChiComs know ALL ABOUT MK. They know ALL ABOUT Feinstein and Milk and Twinkie Guy who ALMOST figured out that he was brainwashed over the edge. They know.
So China knows the score. In some ways that’s karma, but no – it’s not good. MK Wars are NOT GOOD. Whoever is behind it is no friend of America, China, or humanity. They want to control us.
This is against humanity and made to look like we did it to ourselves, to fulfill the BAD HUMAN NARRATIVE.
Yup. I’m exonerating China. Believe it or not. If they did not do this intentionally, then it was a forced accident. Their lab got HIT by THEM.
BAD HUMAN NARRATIVE
“It could be “them”. The “event people”. The “Cabal”.”
Culling out older people around the world by way of a bio-weapon would fit in with an accelerated plan to advance their agenda. It is the older generations that are primarily standing in their way — the old ways of traditional values that resist change. Here in the USA, the older generations supporting the MAGA Movement.
I could not help thinking this as well. And keeping us away from the voting booths sounds like a plan, too.
They’re evil. But I would rather vote this November and laugh with St. Peter as they endure 4 more years of extreme MAGA.
It would be a twofer for them. Depopulation and removal of those fighting to their plans.
I’ve been thinking of getting set up with voting by absentee ballot. Not sure what the requirements are with that as far as eligibility.
Yes – voting by mail may be just the ticket this time. It would be nice if we had CONFIRMATION OF RECEIPT AND ENTRY OF DATA.
“against” rather than”to”
I’m inclined to believe “ACCIDENTAL RELEASE” …
• By a careless/inexperienced/untrained Researcher who became VIRUS CONTAMINATED
• Who left the lab as a virus carrier due to a FAILURE to FULLY DECONTAMINATE
• Then CONTAMINATED a “wet animal” by TOUCHING IT at the Wuhan Market
Yup. This could very well be. And they would know exactly who it was.
(Knowing who was working on what, and most likely to be contaminated with “the right stuff”).
Starting at 1hour:37minutes, here is another opinion.
Believes the Indian Institute of Technology is reaching a bit t far when making assumptions about this virus.
Offers the rebuttal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiZpPkGULFE
Apparently, what makes this virus look different than other Sars virus is a very long “spike protein”. When a virus enters a cell it is like a key — your body is the lock. Key has to fit the lock. This virus looks like an Angiotensin (?? spelling) enzyme.
It is unusual.
But could occur naturally.
That said, scientists can molecularly date a virus, clock back to check how long it’s been out there by tracking RNA mutations. This one is relatively “new”.
This is Dr. Stephen Hatfill, Sr researcher at the Army Infectious Disease “Unit”, worked at MIT, and retired. He is now a professor at George Washington Univ, author of “3 Seconds Until Midnight”.
Hatfill was the guy that Mueller pursued uselessly for all that time over anthrax, when it was somebody else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hatfill
Sorry, but I don’t trust him. Some of my theories on Mueller were that this dude played decoy.
But that is only the beginning. We have PUBLISHED evidence that Peng’s lab was doing this EXACT work, starting about 10 years ago. Interested in those mutations, in those spikes, exactly like this. TEN YEARS AGO. DID THOSE MUTATIONS IN PROTEIN. And published the results.
What more do we have to ask?
The “it could have happened naturally” defense rings so damned hollow in that respect, I simply drop my jaw.
The HIV was probably adding to the editing. The RNA 19nC didn’t mutate quickly enough, but HIV keeps your body from recognizing the virus, keeping reseatchers dancing trying to get ahead of the changes. The Tailand cocktail worked.
Cabal really wants this to work. Their tells are hilarious.
Daughn–I am spammed at all you posts–also Michaels and Tim’s and Fleps and Wheaties…But..I can comment on a Wolfie POST…. So… I am trying a test… Please reply to me directly.. and I can reply in the sidebar…maybe we can get around Fing WP who won’t help!!!
ANOTHER POST IN THE SPAM BUCKET, RELEASED BY WOLFMOON1776, AND SOON TO BE A MAJOR SCANDAL FOR AUTOMATTIKKK.
Hi sweetheart!!!!!!!!!!
Hiya Daughn!!! Happy GroundHog Day!!! LOL!
Marica – this shows me that there is actually some relationship to who you are trying to interact with. That is PURE TWITTER. Pure Facebook. This is why I think they’re trying to introduce controls analogous to Facebook and Twitter on WordPress, that can prevent certain people from interacting, as a way of controlling the future.
It will likely become necessary for me to begin work on a FREE and HONEST blogging platform. If Gab built such a thing, I would go there immediately.
Hmmm guess this will affect all those cheap China eBay sellers.
On a deal site I like to shop at they keep pushing extremely cheap China flights last year. I’m guessing that’s over with. I have to be honest I found it very odd that the flights were like $189 give or take.
That just has to have been subsidized.
I doubt 189 bucks could pay for the fuel, or amortizing the plane, or the passenger’s share of the pilots’ and flight attendants’ salaries. (You need double personnel on such a flight, it’s two shifts long. The aircraft actually has crew quarters, generally above the ceiling of the passenger area.) Much less pay for all three.
Note: In all the time doing biz in China, it was the case that flights coming FROM China to USA back to China, were about $200, whereas flights originating in USA to China, roundtrip, cost about $1500-2000.
Infuriating to me but yeah, obviously subsidized.
You could potentially have benefitted from nesting your flights–if you could plan far enough ahead.
Let’s say you know you’re going to spend the first week of March, and the last week of April, in China.
You order a ticket to fly to china at the beginning of the first week of March, then back from China, at the end of the last week of April. You pay your $1500-$2000.
You then order a different ticket, from a different airline: from China, at the end of the first week of March, returning TO China, at the beginning of the last week of April. And pay $200 for it.
Beware: The airlines HATE it when you do this, so try not to order both tickets from the same airline.
Interesting tweet here from Ron/CodeMonkey…and a reply:
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1223825925655023616?s=20
https://twitter.com/patriotsun1/status/1223832066615324672?s=20
Saw that about an hour ago, and am trying to confirm the study is not a plant. A pede posted link on the Donald. Twinsies!
And POTUS addresses the AIDS epidemic at every rally. Still a working theory.
Yes, this is related to this paper that coosmama brought here from reddit (see above in thread).
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00705-010-0729-6
This is key.
Here is the abstract so people don’t have to go looking:
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The discovery of SARS-like coronavirus in bats suggests that bats could be the natural reservoir of SARS-CoV. However, previous studies indicated the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) protein, a known SARS-CoV receptor, from a horseshoe bat was unable to act as a functional receptor for SARS-CoV. Here, we extended our previous study to ACE2 molecules from seven additional bat species and tested their interactions with human SARS-CoV spike protein using both HIV-based pseudotype and live SARS-CoV infection assays. The results show that ACE2s of Myotis daubentoni and Rhinolophus sinicus support viral entry mediated by the SARS-CoV S protein, albeit with different efficiency in comparison to that of the human ACE2. Further, the alteration of several key residues either decreased or enhanced bat ACE2 receptor efficiency, as predicted from a structural modeling study of the different bat ACE2 molecules. These data suggest that M. daubentoni and R. sinicus are likely to be susceptible to SARS-CoV and may be candidates as the natural host of the SARS-CoV progenitor viruses. Furthermore, our current study also demonstrates that the genetic diversity of ACE2 among bats is greater than that observed among known SARS-CoV susceptible mammals, highlighting the possibility that there are many more uncharacterized bat species that can act as a reservoir of SARS-CoV or its progenitor viruses. This calls for continuation and expansion of field surveillance studies among different bat populations to eventually identify the true natural reservoir of SARS-CoV.
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These jokers were experimenting with the use of HIV-modified SARS-CoV spike proteins (what gets into cells) to see if they could get better slippage past different ACE2 molecules.
Re-read the key sentences:
Here, we extended our previous study to ACE2 molecules from seven additional bat species and tested their interactions with human SARS-CoV spike protein using both HIV-based pseudotype and live SARS-CoV infection assays.
These assholes are being just a bit COY THERE about what they were doing. Nasty sneaky ChiComs. Most readers would not catch how nasty this is. Remember – they have to MAKE THOSE PROTEINS. Question – was there DNA or RNA coding for this shit floating around to where it might get mixed with live coronavirus?
STUPID FUCKERS. Next….
The results show that ACE2s of Myotis daubentoni and Rhinolophus sinicus support viral entry mediated by the SARS-CoV S protein, albeit with different efficiency in comparison to that of the human ACE2. Further, the alteration of several key residues either decreased or enhanced bat ACE2 receptor efficiency, as predicted from a structural modeling study of the different bat ACE2 molecules.
Yup. There you have it. Adding HIV sequences to the protein WORKED.
FUCKHEADS.
But it’s not them. They were manipulated to do the work. That’s all.
Whatever planet pulled this shit using a human mask needs to BURN.
RNA from bats. Am trying to locate in the article where they sourced for HIV/BJ01-S. Only 2 species of the 7 bats had ACE to support this.
Yes – what exactly was the pseudovirus, how was it prepared, etc.
There are multiple possibilities of what went on here, but I am sure the cabal was following every move of these guys in the lab from the scientific publishing industry, which is basically owned and controlled by the cabal.
Whether Peng and his people officially did work to get that DNA into the live virus, or whether it was an unauthorized experiment, my guess is that it got out due to a PLANNED release – but not planned by the ChiComs.
The lab is very likely under intense monitoring, and that feed – plus additional ones that nobody knows about – were used by the cabal to understand everything going on in there. Easy to engineer what they needed. The goal was an epidemic and (they were hoping) long-term killer on the loose.
Functionality of bat ACE2 as an SARS-CoV entry receptor
To examine the susceptibility of different bat ACE2 molecules to SARs-CoV entry, the HIV/BJ01-S pseudovirus system was used to infect HeLa cells transiently expressing bat ACE2 or human ACE2 genes. Among the bat ACE2s, only MdACE2 (MdACE2) and Rs-HB ACE2 demonstrated significant pseudovirus infection, as deduced from the significantly higher level of luciferase activity in comparison to background activity in the negative control (Fig. 2a). Although such assays are not to be viewed as an absolute quantification of receptor activity, it is nevertheless worth noting that MdACE2-mediated infection seemed to be more efficient than with Rs-HB ACE2. In the same context, it is clear that the bat ACE2s were less efficient overall than the human ACE2 in this particular assay system. The biological significance of this observation remains to be determined. The functionality of MdACE2 and Rs-HB ACE2 as SARS-CoV entry receptors was further confirmed by infection with live virus. As shown in Fig. 2b, both bat ACE2 proteins could clearly support SARs-CoV infection. No attempt was made to quantify infection efficiency in this study due to difficulties encountered in conducting experiments under BSL4 conditions.
There is some possibility that, if this was not an accident, a student or researcher in the lab was MKed to create the virus that’s in the wild now.
Crazy stuff.
Get your gab chat up in case we need it!
chat.gab.com
Oh gheez, have to look it up.
Give me a while – later on this morning. Working in the dark right now.
you’re Diana247365 on Gab! 😉
Signed in. We have to be signed into both main Gab and Chat separately?
Looks that way! There is some separation right now during beta testing. I use different tabs.
Let me go find you…..
Are you seeing me there?
Yes – I sent you a PM and 2 chat invites.
I’m doing Superbowl. Will check in morning and update it all.
Good! Have fun! Chat invitations show up by clicking on your “handle” in the upper left of the page. You will see.
Found the PM
Will look for the others.
I’m not seeing any chat invites, unless I’m looking in the wrong place.
Yeah, we’re going to have to look around on that!
I sent you a message via chat.
Found it.
I’ve been trying to figure out what ZR3 wants with our cow lips. You can’t tariff where you don’t have trade, so we’re left building a Space Force that will soon be the most powerful “in the Universe”!
All I know is it’s easier to get a fair deal when you’ve got lever actions – and that wrecked wagon in New Mexico done gonna git the Injuns a nicer treaty.
I do want to clarify, I haven’t changed my position on inter-dimensional entities and non-existence of space-bound extraterrestrial life, but I am a 100% TRUE BELIEVER in FAKE SPACE ALIENS 😉
Trump said he wanted to solve the problem of illegal aliens!
The border is more than you know.
We’re gunna build a wall in space and Mexico is going to pay for it!
WE GOT A SPACE FORCE!
We will be the most powerful in the Universe!
Using drones to tell people to get indoors:
https://twitter.com/QAnonNotables/status/1223894906105520129?s=20
We’re being told that this virus is not a big deal…
But authorities around the globe are treating it like it’s scariest virus ever!
Returnees are actually a medical bonanza if you get a few of them and are well-prepared.
We need numbers that are NOT out of China – numbers using OUR levels of treatment – experience treating these people. FACE THE CHALLENGE – but BE PREPARED.
An article on cytokine cascade and networks among MSM HIV seroconverters: Implications for early immunotherapy. Again, addresses the similarities of HIV and coronavirus. Seems to be a lot of coincindences in Wuhan. Weedy, very weedy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5103227/#!po=13.6364
Yeah, the WHO has new board members from China, who are kissing up to China, obvious in every press conference.
We need cultures, etc. Good news though, American CDC now has enough to evaluate locally at travel points, so everything no longer has to go back to Atlanta CDC which takes days. We’re now down to testing within a few hours.
Yup. CHINA in control. Just the way the commies wanted it.
Esper has approved 1k quarantene beds, they estimate 14 days hold for the Americans and green cards able to make it here. Should be able to get good data. Night. Thanks for all the help!
Thanks for the great info! Good night!!!
This is good for data collection. There should be some people without the virus that can be control group in this quarentene. POTUS knows.
TWO YEAR DELTA???
I’ve thought about going back and looking through all those posts from two years ago. It’s almost as if there are TWO plans: one is the good guys, one is the bad guys. The good guys were warning the bad guys that they knew the evil plan. And the bad guys tried it anyway.
Based on what I understand of threat intel, LookingGlass is a giant datalake with huge pipes pulling in info from all kinds of ahem sources. So they really do have the playbook and timeline, often it’s all out there just needs some bad@$$ AI analytics engine to dig through it. Nation-state capabilities, but the U.S. capabilities are essentially orders of magnitude higher than most others. They literally would be able to do detailed custom searches and have a completely timeline from “dark” sources (that’s a polite word for where they’re getting intel from) showing everything being gamed out. A little natural language processing / transcription / translation thrown in too for good measure. At that point, it’s really what intel can you get into the system, but I’m sure our guys are extraordinarily capable on this front. Heck, with these capabilities they probably have a better idea of their idiot playbook than the bad guys do.
Another possible reading of this, is that “the bad guys” tried to pull the same event (corona virus release) here in the US FIRST, where they could blame it on Trump, and it FAILED. Thus, Q is taunting them.
Seals are wonderful creatures. – our laboratory seals WORKED in whatever takedown was attempted.
Heard they work fast at capturing their prey. – another taunt – our defenses worked well, and gave us attribution.
PRAY. – this means we were prepared, knowing that the Cabal is interested in a corona release, and that – YEAH – better pray.
Silence is golden. – taunting them on the loss of money with no news of a corona outbreak – likely a HUGE loss – when their plan failed. No big fake news about the virus, as the cabal had hoped.
CORONA_OFFLINE_Deac[0000]. – their attempt to smuggle a corona virus out of our lab failed.
Games R FUN! – some kind of taunt involving R, I think, and referencing messages to the cabal that use the “want to play a game” theme.
He’s probably going to have to lose the beard in order for the (rather insubstantial) mask to do any good at all…
just saying….
seems timely and relevant …because…. one of these days …..
keep looking up.
…and there’s still a little time to get on-board.
Wuhan Corona Virus Spreading, R0, Chinese Suppression of Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtriMYjNkHM&feature=em-uploademail
Preach it! Prevention is always first choice. We also have treatments available in America. You are much more likely to get Flu A or Flu B. Same prevention measures work on 19nC.
Economics/logistics/inventory of the situation.
Anyone who operates a supply chain which involves China is familiar with Spring Festival/Lunar New Year, and it used to be a full three week long shut down.
Only recently has the period shortened.
In the south, my town used to shut down their factories for the final 2 weeks of July. Too hot, difficult to air condition large factories, the whole town went on vacation. (Also helped to pull in crops for those who still had farms)
Point is, for China, I usually have to get an order in by first week of December. Processing until end of December, and ship out by January 1st.
The later we get into January, containers and available space on ships gets scarce.
We KNOW this.
So, we all bulk up inventory a little bit to make do.
We ALSO know, when the Chinese come back to work, it’s like when school children go back to school, or when I come home from a month in Italy. We’re all a little sluggish.
The Chinese usually come back, full tilt, about Feb 15th. Yet, I usually would not place an order until March 1st. The first group of orders tends to have a lot of quality control problems (sluggish workers).
Therefore, no shipment sent from China until about the end of March, arrival here Mid-May.
Bottom line, if Coronavirus had happen, it happened at a time when it least impacted the economics of the USA.
Interesting.
5:00am conversation at WalMart with a young manager.
Unusual ground report
Big T was looking for a long lighter. The pilot light went out on the water heater and the big lighter was “out”. So, he buzzed off to WalMart to get a two pack. He could not find one, ANYWHERE in the store.
He went to the front desk.
Cust Serv chic rummaged through a basket of returns and found ONE – in the whole store.
Young manager said, “You’re not going to see those cheaper dollar long lighters anymore from China cuz of all the trade/virus problems SHUTTING DOWN CHINA”
Big T looked at him, surprised.
He replied, “They’re shutting the whole country down!!!” He was alarmed.
Big T said, “That’s okay. By the time I run out of fuel in this lighter, I’m betting someone in the USA will figure out how to make a cheap plastic lighter.”
Big T said you could see the wheels turning in the guys head.
“You think so?”, the young guy replied.
Big T said he was wide-eyed.
Big T smiled………. “Yeah, I think so.”
Imagine being a CEO of a Nike, or Kohler, or Arizona Tile, or Apple…….. and you can’t reach out and touch your factory in China…… for months. On top of that, the workers IN THE factory are not coming in.
What a nightmare.
Time to decouple.
We used to have a large commercial water heater in our bathing room for the dogs. It had a long piece of thin, firm wire with a spring – loop on the end, so you could attach a match at the end and then put it in to light the pilot light. It was attached to the water heater so it wouldn’t get lost. Sometimes we still used it after those long lighters came out if we couldn’t find one.
I could light a little stick, no problem. We keep the boat lighters because we removed the electronic ignition for out big commercial stove. Therefore, when the power goes out, I can still cook. It also means I manually light a burner on a stovetop for the big range. Normally have 4-5 of the long lighters drifting around the house… but ran out.
Need a new USA company to make them!
I totally get that. My Viking (came with the house) has 6 burners and a griddle. For the group of 4 burners, the electronic ignition needs a fuse, but I figured I could buy a whole lot of matches for the cost and bother of replacing the fuse. Hubby likes the lighters to use though.
Another ground report:
This weekend we have an annual state wide Band Camp at a local Junior College. The band teachers come in from all over the country and stay with us, as they have for at least 20yrs.
There is something about our breakfast table/house, not sure what it is, but strangers tend to unload their deepest secrets here. Things they don’t usually discuss in polite company.
One of them, lovely woman early 60’s, band teacher from a small town, less than 3K people, rural, was waxing poetic about NOT being able to retire. She was sad, she clearly wasn’t staying because of joy for the kids, etc., it was something else. I was puzzled because usually teachers are able to retire early.
She shook her head.
She’s raising her second family, her daughter’s children.
Her daughter became pharma addicted to oxi, then heroin, and cheap fentanyl. Son in law was also addicted, died, and the daughter just wandered off one day……. no idea where she is, living or dead. Grandma took custody of the kids. Kids struggled in school for a few years and are only now beginning to catch up two years later. Kids are 7 and 11yrs old.
What a nightmare.
And the entire family, went downhill in less than two months. It happened in the snap of a finger.
Her daughter and husband were lovely, thriving, church-going, employed, etc. – all gone. Poof.
Grandma………. blames a lot of different circumstances, blames herself for missing signs. Yet, when the family was at it’s lowest, the fentanyl was the final straw.
Three generations of one family, ruined/scared forever or dead.
She blames China most of all.
Think of it – that story has been repeated across our great land tens of thousands of times every year (for a decade?) – and China is the chief perpetrator – it’s more than just greed on China’s part – it’s a vendetta – it’s a WAR.
NO WONDER PDJT is holding the line, holding China’s feet to the fire, holding the destruction of their economy over China’s head!!!!!!!!
I bet there have been 20 people at my table who have told similar stories.
People who were doing everything right….and wham!
I’ve seen a beautiful young woman turned into a hag by drugs.
Sad.
I’ve seen a beautiful Christian prayer teacher/leader’s equally gorgeous Christian daughter and her husband and children destroyed by drugs.
China is the chief perpetrator – it’s more than just greed on China’s part – it’s a vendetta – it’s a WAR.
^^^ THIS, on steroids!!!
Early in president trump’s term, President Trump Put this on the front pages of newspapers and MCM reported it. China promised to make, fentanyl illegal to manufacture, export…
No surprise China reneged. VERY publicly announced.
Somewhere in there, President Trump rightfully moved USG to massively face fentanyl…identify users, treat users, stop the flow.
^^^ US is making headway. Best I recollect, this effort by President Trump has zero D-Rat support. If I have missed it, betting it is bare minimum support. D-Rats truly are evil. Just are.
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This is WAR…shots not fired, yet. But, it is WAR!
Economic war. Theft of intellectual property. Massive, very INTENTIONAL shipping harmful drugs to US.
President Trump knows all of this and moar. Hence, his strategically brilliant positions regarding trade, tariffs to manipulate behavior. All on a global scale.
Rolled out for maximum effect, to bring China to heel. “Peacefully” destroy China’s economy. US economy bolstered…manufacturing, self reliance (energy, agriculture, food…), jobs, less regulation.
Decouple from China. Great for America. And, GREAT for other countries as supply chains migrate throughout Asia, rest of world.
China intentionally OR not letting Corona out, IS and WILL be devastating for them. Loss of life terrible. Compounded by inept and corrupt ChiComs exponentially making it worse than it could have been. An ECONOMIC DISASTER. As pointed out in Daughn’s post further up, containers not being stuffed, not moving over the roads, not being loaded on ships, fewer ships sailing, probably sailing not fully loaded.
Broad based SLAM on China. Not to mention so many provinces quarantined. Work, manufacturing at a stand still.
The benefits from President Trump’s decisive action, strategically applied are simply breathtaking. Another tangent of sorts, NK restrained can’t be overstated.
Could go on and on… Yes, China has been at war with the US. WAR with most of the countries around the globe.
BOTTOM LINE. China’s might IS being de-fanged, and will NEVER recover!
However, with severe food shortages China might well be doing a culling of the fittest…as we’ve seen throughout history. Think Mao. Think Africa, as another example….and, of course, there are others. Perhaps not created but little effort to stop it until a certain point…and then it’s usually calling on outside help.
Dunno. Incredibly inefficient as applied these days.
Personally believe what we are witnessing, may have to deal with is some maroon ignored procedures OR equipment failed. IMO, not intentional.
That said, fair bet ChiCom’s are engineering a virus weapon. Wolf has surmised deep state may be in play. Either way, evil in play.
My life mirrors her story (thankfully without the children). I hate China .
I also hate the fact that the DemComs enabled and provided the cartels entry into the USA aiding their networking of the junk throughout our country. They’re murderers in my biased opinion.
I thought of you, Molly when typing this story out. Hope I did not hurt you by bringing bad memories to the surface. So much destruction to American families ……. it’s awful.
What a very sad story….but, I am no longer surprised at my peers (grandparents) forced to raise their grandchildren…. even going on about as long as drugs were easy to get.
Gambling is another addiction that has wiped out several families, businesses and homes lost, that I’ve known. And, it’s not casino gambling as one might surmise (we lived in a multi-casino area), but online gambling. In those cases, it’s not the same…but the older generation usually ends up financially supporting the families and all their retirement money and dreams gone.
Wow that is horrible! So sad.
People often get away to escape their problems.
They find a safe, welcoming place, and they find safety to talk about their problems…
It’s no wonder that once they’re sucked into the couch their entire life spills out.
I hope you have stock in Kleenex 😉
So sad to read.
Also thanks for the Big T update. Now that is telling.
Yep, again, this is the study. Corona virus with HIV Angiotensin enzymes.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00705-010-0729-6
I tell you, this study just bugs the heck out of me.
This is science with a complete lack of WISDOM and MORALITY.
I saw this forced upon the world up close. I saw how the insertion and installation of PROGS in the science bureaucracy brought their WARPED morality – their AUTHORITARIAN global warming nuttery – and ultimately THIS CRAP. Kowtowing to Chinese lack of sensibility in science was their special superpower, too.
Ridiculous. CABAL SCIENCE is FAKE SCIENCE.
Posting on both threads as this is more than just adding piece of knowledge or discussing….hope that is ok
This is the best summary I have seen so far. It is “real” in that it incorporates all the info I have been seeing and does so in a realist and yet non free mongering way.
outbreak from facility no longer a fringe conspiracy theory … that was fast acknowledgement!
HIV overlap leading to quickly adjusting SOPs in treating including HIV meds…or was that just because they are such strong anti-virurals? IDK but good article.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7957889/Thai-medics-claim-coronavirus-break-Patient-declared-disease-free-48-hours.html
MAGA Mom
I find that the Chiefio blog is a better gathering place for information about the Wuhan Coronavirus. Granted, some of the comments and charts are technical in nature, but I find that this is OK by me.
My post on the most recent dedicated Chiefio blog thread on the Wuhan Coronavirus is further down on this thread.
Regarding the Daily Mail article: It appears to be correct in most of its information. HOWEVER — the Pirbright Institute (the article quotes one of its lead researchers) WAS INVOLVED with the animal virus experimentation that was being done at the WUHAN bio research facility to study NEW TYPES of viruses and their components. Therefore I believe that any statement from the Pirbright Institute is suspect.
And, what Foundation supports the Pirbright Institute? And, if you have a patent on a virus (or any product), which someone infringes, alters, or uses your patented product without your permission, doesn’t one usually scream “LAWSUIT”? (crickets)
Was it just Oct 2019 someone mentioned a market for the coronavirus vaccine?
If we can connect these dots, surely POTUS knows!
thank you.
yes that blog is great and I read it through yesterday…and then posted my head was swimming!
the DM is boiled down and simplified for people like me. I am getting info here, the links posted here but still found DM helpful as far as knowledge of the current situation and so forth.
I was encouraged because it matched up to the info here an at the links that have been posted here.
But yes, its for people like me who find a source that is synthesizing the info to be helpful (as long as it is accurate info).
H/T Concerned Virginian (previous page/same thread)..
this is an excellent blog specifically pertaining to the Wuhan Coronavirus …
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/global-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
It is an excellent blog PERIOD.
If you have the time it is well worth looking at older articles on food, health, Gore Bullshiff warming…
(I spent many years reading there.)
Here is the NEWEST Wuhan Coronavirus dedicated thread at Chiefio:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/ghe-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
Total number of cases worldwide: 14,549, of which 14,375 are in Communist China. Total deaths: 305. Total “recovered”: 340.
It appears that the virus IS INDEED still within the body of a “recovered” person and thus, that person is an “ignorant carrier” of the virus.
It appears that there are now 19 STRAINS OF THE VIRUS.
*** However — since FACEBOOK, on 30 January, agreed with Beijing to DELETE ANY post about the virus that the Communist Chinese government has “flagged” — thus creating the situation of almost ALL information coming from there about the virus BEING UNDER THE CONTROL OF BEIJING — BEWARE.
There are ground reports in the U.S. of big box stores starting to run out of RUBBING ALCOHOL, and of consumer items coming from Communist China.
YESTERDAY: http://www.foxnews,com/
*** Department of Defense Sec. MARK ESPER announced that housing AT FOUR MILITARY BASES to accommodate 1,000 people who may have to be QUARANTINED as a result of the Coronavirus.
http://www.10tv.com/
Health officials are investigating TWO possible cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus at MIAMI UNIVERSITY in OHIO.
*** If these 2 suspected cases are confirmed, that will bring the total of cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus in the United States up to 10 persons. As I have commented previously, any number over 10 cases in the U.S. can likely start to get the attention of the general public. Add to this the directive of Sec. ESPER above related to using military bases for quarantining potentially 1,000 persons.
All of the above information would appear to corroborate the information / opinion of the MD at the top of this thread that 7 FEBRUARY seems to be a “nexus date” concerning personal preparation against the virus.
CV…the link you posted for the Miami U/Butler Co, Ohio 2 possible cases…did not show that article (unless I’m missing something)…so here is another link for that…
article…Miami U….still awaiting test results for 2 possible cases…
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/butler-county/butler-county-health-still-waiting-for-coronavirus-test-results-from-cdc
smiley2
Thank you. I found a more complete link:
http://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-health-officials-investigating-2-possible-cases-coronavirus-miami-university-2020-feb
Worth remembering from that article:
https://twitter.com/OHdeptofhealth/status/1223037059092426753
I’m pretty much over whatever I had.
Symptoms started on 1/24 and pretty much gone on Feb 2. Wasn’t a cold or standard flu. I suspect a mild coronavirus of some kind, because of the interesting shortness of breath which I’ve never experienced before – or at least didn’t notice before, perhaps because I was younger and stronger.
Wolf….PLEASE READ this article….
https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
DETAILED…. I’ll repost it when new thread comes up…
Wow. Just WOW.
Then the ChiComs MOVED THE INSTITUTE in Google Maps. Hilarious!
…can’t wait for Part 2 !
the info on that Dr./Prof ZhengLi Shi is interesting ….so many many + overlapping grants !
There is no way this stuff happened naturally. No way. But the real question is how it got out.
exactly what I’ve been obsessed with : HOW was this introduced into the public ?
seems easy to do….smear it on doorknobs…Big Macs…Big Bat Sammiches…waiters aprons…restaurant silverware….endless possibilities in a teeming overpopulated, relatively unsanitary city…
My feeling is that the people who wanted it out of the lab MKed some poor sap to bring it out somehow, wittingly or unwittingly. Once those forces got it, they could spread it. They would likely make the person who brought it out think it was all his fault, so that person hides the critical truth that would actually lead back to the cabal. This is how they work – they make everybody think it’s their own fault, and that they were the only person who screwed up, so that they ALL – down to the last participant – protect their part of the conspiracy, not realizing they themselves were ALL betrayed.
Everybody blamecasts to themselves – barring that, then to each other – meanwhile, the CABAL walks free.
can I haz bat sammich ?
…and hold the virus please.
Mmmmmmmmmm. I mean Hmmmmmmm. Oh, whatever. 😉
same link….
article…
Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1 : Communist Coverup or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction ?
https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
a LOT of DETAILED info….
long article….new info…
ok…link itself doesn’t post…so just click on the title printed in white on that image, to get to the article…
worth reading
Smiley,
here is the link:
*https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
(Remove *)
ok thanks Gail…don’t know why it wouldn’t post for me…
BTW : plse read that article.
And now there’s this, from the Chiefio blog:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7957645/Hunt-480-Wuhan-travellers-LOST-Britain.html
The article, a long one with lots of photos, appears to indicate that England is starting to “get it” regarding the danger of the Wuhan Coronavirus. There are apparently students, visitors, and others, who are now either in the hospital or under medical observation as suspected cases of the virus.
In addition, the Home Office is looking for 480 travelers FROM WUHAN who arrived in England, used public transportation / stayed at hotels / etc., and are considered to have been exposed to the virus.
One thing I’m wondering about is what the effects of the Coronavirus will have on the state of readiness of China’s military. Military leaders, as anywhere, are of an older generation. If an antidote is not available to them, and military leaders start to die off from the virus, their ability to fight a war will seriously degrade far sooner than the U.S. military, and other nations.
Out of fear of a major attack against to take advantage of a worsening imbalance, will they decide to wage a preemptive war before they become too vulnerable? What is the Chinese mindset regarding this?
I hope this is/has being gamed out by our military for the scenarios of how a conflict with China may get started.
Should be, “…against them…”
My uninformed view…;-)
China is NOT a GLOBAL military power. Regional, at best. China is NOT going to attack anybody. Nobody is their sphere is a threat OR planning to attack them.
– Why not attack China. Simple. Suicide. Large military that can literally expend military bodies to stop an attack. No one is going to conquer China. Hearts and minds, really do matter. Take a look at Iraq and Afghanistan. We can and do beat the hell out of the enemy. Their hearts and minds despise America and Freedom.
– Why China will not attack. Corona has ChiCom undivided dysfunctional attention. AND China economy IS hobbled and imploding. War IS expensive. China has limited logistics legs. Conscripting commercial vessels, probably good enough regionally. I.E. Taiwan, Philippines, etc.
– – GLOBALLY China would fail quickly. Logistics legs are very, very short…ammunition, fuel, food, repair parts, maintenance including major end items and repair parts, medical, building and repair for infrastructure… It is NOT easy to sustain a fight far from home.
In detail, our Military understand China’s military capabilities and LIMITATIONS.
i think the Chinese mindset is central in what I’m wondering about. Much different than us. Saving face and belief in racial superiority can be a big part of that consideration. Also their belief in a ‘mandate of heaven’.
Regarding the degrading of their military capabilities resulting from the Coronavirus: would they use it before they would lose it? Would the Chinese try to accelerate the effects of the virus in the US in hopes of keeping the balance of military power more even?
China military AND potential to plant a bug here are totally separate.
Sort of internal to China, or limited regional effort, China KNOWS their military is in a losing situation when paired to US military.
Other than planting bugs, they really have no weapon to wield. “Saving face” doesn’t compute in the military realm. They can be pissed off all they want. They know they have a losing hand.
Have I wonder if they may prompt NK to do something stooopid. Maybe. But me thinks Kim want to live long enough to be really old. In his papa and granpa image, a bully.
NK Parallel thought I’ve had when his papa Kim Jong-Il fundamentally wanted to live to be OLD.
Yea they wave their missiles and are over-the-top bluster bullies. Very, very intimidating bullies. Used to getting their way. Somehow President Trump has gotten Kim’s attention.
When we get President Trump a second term AND China is further neutered, we’ll see real peace on Korean Peninsula.
Police Action or war, whatever one wishes to call it, will be formally ended. NK nukes WILL go away. Some time after that, Korea unified. Wonderful for the world. A horror for China. 😉 🙂 😉
ChiComs are pure evil. Maybe in the future they’ll try something with a bug or two. Even the times that all of the bonds they hold were a strong bargaining chip has, I think largely dissipated.
As far as the US is concerned, I have near zero concern with China military.
Yea they’ll fret over losing face. They know their military is simply out matched.
This is a joke, right?
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Coronavirus can be treated by cow urine, dung: Hindu Mahasabha president
As the coronavirus scare runs across the world with one confirmed case in India, Hindu Mahasabha has proposed bizarre treatment for the dreaded virus infection.
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/coronavirus-treatment-cow-urine-cow-dung-hindu-mahasabha-president-swami-chakrapani-maharaj-584736
what about : BAT URINE …?
read somewhere that Peng (the designer of this deadly strain) actually used BATS…so…
undercover journalist secretly filmed current situation in WUHAN HOSPITAL …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoUU6_Lp_Jc&app=desktop
Good Lord, this journalist is just WALKING AROUND in the hospital and filming? Not wearing full HazMat PPE??
Wow, sounds like they’re not even waiting until they actually die..declare ’em dead and send them away
First Death Outside China : PHILLIPINES
article link…
https://ktla.com/2020/02/02/philippines-reports-1st-virus-death-outside-china/
Corona virus has multiple HIV gene segments inserted in it, in a way that seems unlikely to have happened by chance. From the study:
We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.
There is an alternate theory linked below which argues this could be natural.
What this is saying is that on the surface of the virus is a protein, like a little boulder. That boulder will grab and hold onto another boulder on the surface of a human cell, because of positive and negative charges on its surface that grab perfectly positioned opposite charges on the other, as well as oil-oil (hydrophobic-hydrophobic) and water-water (hydrophillic-hydrophillic) interactions at other sites, all of which will pull those two boulders together when they get close. If those positive and negative charges and oil and water-liking areas are not in the right place in 3D space, the boulders will not “fit” right and not grab each other. The boulder is produced from a gene by machinery that goes down the gene, reading it. As it reads each segment of the gene, it grabs a corresponding specific amino acid building block (like a link on a chain), with a specific charge and oil/water property to it, and it attaches it to a long chain of these building blocks being produced by the gene. When the machinery is finished producing the entire chain, the chain will spontaneously fold up into a knot, which is the boulder. The shape of the folded up knot of the chain is produced by the specific charges and oil/water interactions unique to each link. Oil like and water-like links will pull together like a drop of oil pulling together in water, as positive and negative charges on other links pull them together, and like charges repel each other, producing the exact same folding pattern and shape each time. Once the knot is folded, the shape is standardized, as is the place in 3D space of each charge and oil/water interacting segment on the outside. What this is saying is, if this just picked up 4 random HIV gene-parts corresponding to the HIV-binding structure somehow, they might have ended up randomly placed inside the knot, and not helping the virus to grab onto a human cell. They might have ended up on the part of the knot on the inside of the virus shell, and unable to grab onto anything outside the virus. Or they could have all been on the outside, but in the wrong positions in 3D space to form the exact “key,” the binding motif, that would exactly fit the human protein “lock” that is the boulder on the outside of the human cell. But none of that happened. Somehow, in that long chain of amino acid building blocks, 4 sequences coding for specific building blocks from an HIV virus, that worked together, were all placed in exactly the right places in the chain, so when that chain folded up, they all were exposed in the exact right place in 3D space, on the outside of the viral shell, to grab the human cell.
If altered artificially, it is more difficult than it sounds, because in a virus, each of those boulders has that outside part, which they altered, but it is also very important that when you alter that part of the knot on the outside, how it folds the structure does not affect the rest of the knot, because the “sides” of the knot have very specific charge and oil/water structures that are designed to attract each other, which cause the “shell” of the virus to spontaneously self-assemble, with shell “boulders” binding around the virus’ DNA, and linking side to side with other such boulders into a shell. There is no factory in the cell that assembles the virus from its genome and all the shell protein segments that form the “capsid” shell. Each part of the virus is burned off by the DNA machinery, and each part needs to fold up into exactly the right knot conformation (both the genome and the capsid shell proteins), each capsid shell knot needs to grab a specific charge/oil on the outside of the genome, and then each shell knot needs to pull the other specific parts of specific knots around it based on each having the right arrangement of charges and oil/water motifs in 3D space. If you take a very precisely engineered knot, like the one they are saying is changed, and you insert 4 segments of chain into its chain, they can easily grab in the wrong place and alter how everything else folds, and throw off the spontaneously folding aspect of the knot, which will then produce a boulder which doesn’t bind to all the things it needs to bind to.
What this study alleges would require a very sophisticated lab which was able to feed potential genetic sequences into a computer, and virtually model the “chain” produced, factor in the oil/charge aspects of each link in 3D space, model exactly how it would fold up, examine how the outside binding site was structured when folded, examine how the boulder would fit against the genome and other boulders, and then alter the sequences to alter various links, look at the changes, and repeat until you found a boulder structure which bound to everything exactly right. Then you’d have to synthesize the DNA sequences nucleotide by nucleotide, put it inside a cultured living cell so it could hijack the cell machinery and begin producing more genomes and shell proteins, and self-assembling full viruses, which you would then use to try and infect a living cell, and then you would probably run it for a few generations in living cells, harvesting viruses and re-infecting cells, hopefully just in culture. But if this was done in China, you could assume they grabbed prisoners from the jails, probably Falun Gong or political enemies, and they infected them, quarantined them, and harvested viruses from the ones who were most aggressively ravaged after they died. That it is perfectly designed to infect a cell that more prevalent in Asians would make me think that could be what happened. It would also make me think they would learn from this, and in the future either kidnap Caucasians, or find Caucasians to imprison for crimes, so they can use them instead of the local population. They may start soon, because they may have a whole library of pathogens they have been engineering and culturing this way, with everything from engineered Ebola to engineered Smallpox, and everything in between, which they are now thinking may only serve to depopulate their own country, while leaving the West entirely unscathed in any war scenario. If I was whatever small part of Western Intelligence is still opposed to Cabal and feels protective of the West in any way, or Russian Intelligence, I would look very closely for any Caucasians, probably from smaller countries with less political pull, maybe former Eastern Bloc, but any really, who disappear in Asia, or get imprisoned for crimes in China and die while in prison. I’d bet we also see Africans disappear from places where PRC is operative, like Sudan, but they may not be trackable. About the only thing you could do is try to uncover and publicize any case to shame the PRC and make them hesitant about grabbing up Caucasians to use as guinea pigs in their biowarfare programs, or maybe detect and interdict any operations to grab up westerners visiting that region and publicly expose them. If you could penetrate the Cabal surveillance networks which seem to permeate every country over there, it would be a good start.
If this was engineered and cultured in China’s prison populace, it was a huge own-goal by China, but it may be as much a bonus for them as a loss, as they now know their entire bioweapons program may have been producing Asian specific pathogens that would do more damage to them than their enemies. Now they know to take measures to perform this task more effectively in the future by using Caucasians and Caucasian cell cultures to culture their viruses. It is a shame. It would have been amazing to see them try to unleash something like this in a World War III, only to depopulate their entire continent.
On the downside for China, we now do have a Chinese-specific bioweapon we could develop and unleash, if we chose, as well as an incredible insight into a biological vulnerability of Asians which will allow us to specifically target our own bioweapons so they could depopulate China, while leaving our own populations entirely unscathed. That is a huge, huge loss for China, who may have just lost the bioweapon war entirely in one stupid accidental release.
From anonymous conservative
Do you have a link?
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/
If you do a
[ctrl] [f]
and then put
a protein, like a little boulder
in the search box that come up it will take you down to that section on the page.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/a-pro-trump-blog-has-doxed-a-chinese-scientist-it-falsely
There’s this counter argument
https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-seem-engineered-from-hiv/
I found it – It’s the India study cited by Zero Hedge:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf
The India article was a ‘pre-print’ – unpublished, not yet peer-reviewed and has been WITHDRAWN.
Was it not well-documented, well-conducted or just not PC enough???
Probably not PC enough. Remember the Lefty’s have taken over Peer-review at most if not all the journals.
I think that is why they put it out as a pre-print. To get the information out there KNOWING it would be suppressed.
Um-Hmmm – I’m very disgusted with the PC police…. They bend science to accommodate their perversions.
The globalist left’s infiltration of science was really quite wicked. They compromised key individuals in science orgs by a variety of means to insert pawns to advance unopposed, using both institutional PC as a shield for agenda and incompetence, and pre-compromised internal media as a cheerleader.
Perfect description. First they attacked the APA groups at their convention – like terrorists – took over and presented their scurrilous science studies – and got SSA taken off the DSM list of disorders. Ø got ‘Gender’ Identity dysphoria (GID) taken off the list.
It was spread THROUGHOUT science. They hit every type of science AS NEEDED for their plan.
…favored pet perversions…
Nobody is really sure what these guys were up to, but somebody noted if you die from a bullet to the head, you probably can’t be listed as having died from Corona:
🔴🦠 #coronavirus – des personnes ont été filmées avec des armes en main dans #wuhan .pic.twitter.com/HNxaD6hoTR
— Nutrum News World (@NeutrumNews) February 1, 2020
Epoch Times Article – Is Wuhan Coronavirus A Bioweapon? Here are what the facts say.
Outline:
1. 1st Confirmed Case in China Had No Exposure to Seafood Market
2. Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) Has Strong Expertise in Coronavirus Pathogens
3. Chinese Military Involvement in Coronavirus Pathogens
4. Does China Have A Bioweapon Program?
5. Key Takeaways
– It is unclear where the 1st contracted case in Wuhan received the virus.
– The Wuhan Institute of Virology has amassed substantial information on pathogens, including the bat SARS-like coronavirus.
– Chinese military has amassed substantial information on the bat SARS-like coronavirus, having mapped out 50% of all known genome sequences.
– Chinese has never stopped pursuing an active bioweapon program.
(h/t Director Blue) https://epochtimes.today/is-wuhan-coronavirus-a-bioweapon-here-are-what-the-facts-say/
CHINA IS A WAR WITHE THE USA!
David A. explains: China Picks at the Scab to Keep the Wound Fresh
motive
Remember the Opium Wars? China lost
NOW China sends fentanyl to the USA as a street drug and watches Americans DIE!
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/british-opium-wars-history.html
The Fentanyl Crisis is a Reverse Opium War
It was not just Britain, The USA was also part of that ‘Century of Humiliation’
Very interesting to NOTE:
The Forbes family made their money in the opium trade.
The Kennedy’s made their money on illegal booze.
The Sicilians………. would not touch drugs.
The Italian Mafia actually had some ethics unlike the DemonRats.
@ ChiefIOs
And yes the same David A.
Chiefio (EM Smith) thinks it is more likely to be a lab accident mainly because viruses make ROTTEN weapons, they mutate too fast. Anthrax was a big focus for so long because it has the desired traits. It is stable and you can develop a vaccine.
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Larry Ledwick on the other hand has VERY BAD NEWS FOR SAN FRAN-FECES and CALIFORNICATE
Remember California cities have a major rodent problem.
So here is another study: Bats and Rodents Shape Mammalian Retroviral Phylogeny
{NOTE: HIV is a retrovirus. Coronaviruses are in a different Family. “Retroviruses are valuable research tools in molecular biology, and they have been used successfully in gene delivery systems.” WIKI}
SAN FRAN-FECES and CALIFORNICATE <<<LOLF
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Fecal-oral transmission of new coronavirus
^^^ Paging Butt plug. Yea, I know. Disgusting. Butt, plug (pun intended), is disgusting.
Gail Combs
So, assuming for the sake of argument, that the Wuhan bio research lab was DELIBERATELY experimenting with Coronavirus and “inserting” an HIV-type Retrovirus into it, one would have a “hybrid” virus containing elements from BOTH types of virae.
This may explain why it appears (again, given the suppression of the free flow of information from Beijing, who knows if this is indeed the case) certain persons infected with the Wuhan Coronavirus are responding to HIV DRUGS that are administered to them, as opposed to normal antivirals, which were not working.
And, assuming that this type of experimentation was going on at the Wuhan lab, it then opens the door to speculation about whether the Communist Chinese government was in fact developing a bioweapon of an un-imaginable magnitude.
I am inclined toward a bio-weapon that escaped.
You do not have to have a vaccine for protection all you need is a good supply of anantiviral medication that works.
Whether the Chinese researchers intended it or not as a weapon, it was a weapon. It’s like saying “oh, here, let’s put an explosive on a rocket to make the explosive go off OVER THERE, but this isn’t a weapon, it’s just RESEARCH”. Doesn’t matter – it’s still a weapon.
The Springer research article shows consciousness of purpose. TEN YEARS AGO they were doing the following:
– identified a harder target of corona virus than humans (meaning bats)
– figured out how they resisted infection (meaning their ACE2 proteins)
– figured that HIV had the key to get past that resistance
– created surrogate corona virus-spike proteins with the HIV differences
– tested those surrogate proteins against the bat ACE2 proteins and proved that the HIV changes worked
This is basically two steps from creating that deadlier virus. Bring the stuff together. The proteins and the stuff that codes for them.
Repeat – what I just described above was TEN YEARS AGO.
Pretty sure they built that virus in that time.
Absodamnlutely right Wolfmoon!
China even doing that research shows ill intent/motive/agenda.
China would be better working on vital life-giving research – such as un-polluting their arable land and rivers, other benign and beneficial research avenues!
Yup. Communism did this. Quite bluntly. Or their cabal masters – take your pick. EVIL.
Wolfie,
Another bit of info, stolen from the Chiefio blog.
I can not find the actual quote, But given Asians are more likely to get the virus, could the Chicoms have used political prisoners in developing the virus? Will they use Westerners next time?
See, this is where the Chinese are simply not that stupid. That’s why I think this was 100% A LAB ACCIDENT.
Beyond that, I’m thinking >50% chance it was an ENGINEERED LAB ACCIDENT, taking advantage of the fact that this strain would hit the regional population HARD.
I think somebody wants plagues against humans, and they created the circumstances that best cause them on this planet. Use fake science to move the boulder up the hill. Use Chinese fake science to move it dangerously near the edge of the road. And then push it over the edge using surreptitious techniques, so everybody thinks it was just a Chinese screw-up.
“These people are sick.”
The ChiComs cover it up AS EXPECTED.
Cabal walks off whistling and counting their money.
BIO-9/11.
Remember Billy of the Planned unParenthood parentage spoke about pretty much exactly this scenario about a year ago…
One might say, a planned accident…
Sort of like Windoze 1 0… We “own” your computer, whether you like it or not. Self-driving cars?`Electric vehicles with a very small range (keep those flyover rats in the cities, eh) ? “Smart” meters, thermostats, houses, TVs, and, just for good measure, the ability to uniquely identify EVERY SINGLE DEVICE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET (aka IPv6)…
Nah, they’re doing it for our own good, cos they know better….or?
The Cali situation is almost a purpose built cesspool for problems. Free needles given away everywhere, all manner of ppl groups intermingling, lots of tent encampments – outdoor exposure, inadequate basic santitation not counting the feceses, limited clean water use thanks to excessive rationing, a population with all kinds of drug/needle/sex/lgbt risk factors, lots of displaced impoverished ppl with mental health risk factors, politicians and policing looking the other way, and a huge tinder box of dead wood and forest wood load to burn and clean up the mess afterward. Astonishing really. If you wanted to create a perfect storm, what else could you add to it? Electrical blackouts? Oh wait.
I have been expecting the Black Death (Bubonic Plague) to hit California for several years and no I am not kidding.
Excellent Article on the POLITICS of the problem:
19 Jul 2019 Dr. Drew: Los Angeles Faces Imminent Outbreak of Bubonic Plague
There are periodic outbreaks in the rodent population in the parks.
Call me cynical but I’m waiting for the headlines telling us about a manufacturing problem and a shortage of anti-biotics.
And a POP in manufacturing facilities in the USA.
After all, someone has to make my cheap plastic boat/BBQ lighter.
True! Gotta keep the pilot lit or no blueberry muffins!
“a manufacturing problem and a shortage of anti-biotics.”
Already there michaelh
Thanks to Larry again
Yeah, death of globalism.
Re-examination of national priorities.
All the pundits thought Trump was crazy wanting to KEEP a steel manufacturer in this country, or to KEEP one tank manufacturer in this country.
Medications, hospital supplies, the ability to make a t-shirt or shoes, needs to remain in the USA in case of just such a problem.
You know, capital, in terms of money to invest, normally remains close to home in a community familiar to the investor.
Globalism ran contrary to natural instinct.
Put all our antibiotic production overseas – what could possibly go wrong???
Grrr… Globalists…
MOST of our medicines!
I wrote this years ago as part of a much longer comment.
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I and others have spent years untangling the threads leading to the root cause of this major threat to American consumers. The reason is well hidden and candy-coated so the public can not pinpoint it. Unfortunately the time to act is running out, so please bear with me while I lead you through the maze to the correct answer. A simple statement will not suffice because without evidence it is unbelievable.
THE PROBLEM
The New York Times article “The Safety Gap” written by Gardiner Harris, 11/2/2008
*http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/magazine/02fda-t.html
Report Rips FDA Oversight Of Produce
No telling how many people have fallen ill or who have died thanks to the new WTO driven ‘Food Safety Modernization Act’ and the outsourcing of our drug manufacturing.
Not sure if this is true!
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SHOCKING NEWS: China orders Mass Slaughter of all domestic pets
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/01/31/shocking-news-china-orders-mass-slaughter-of-all-domestic-pets/#.XjdAwzJKiUm
It’s ChiCom China. So, in the realm of possible. Perhaps probable.
Ugh…
Some where I read that the virus also infects and can be passed on by dogs and cats. Remember it has palm civet as well as bat virus ‘parts’
This is SARS virus:
https://www.pnas.org/content/102/7/2430
Domestic cats and palm civets are Suborder: Feliformia
SARS needed an intermediary, and it happened in domestic cats.
This one does not need an intermediary.
People jumped to conclusions about domestic pets, and then the call went out, NO, don’t kill Fluffy or Spot just yet.
That was in China.
Here in the USA I have seen the advice that you need to keep your pets sequestered if this does go pandemic. If nothing else, if Fluffy or Spot goes gallivanting around the neighborhood they may pickup the virus and carry it home on their paws or fur.
Saw this
Thai doctors have said a Cocktail of flu, HIV drugs appears to help fight coronavirus…. so there’s that HIV link again
HIV has increasingly been in the narrative. Started two days ago. At least that is when I read it. Think the first article that I recall was out of India. Posted here QTree. Me thinks.
AND
China is NOT doing well in the flu department.
African Swine flu
H5N6 bird flu
Corona virus
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-mainland-china-cases-now-exceed-sars-as-death-toll-hits-132-11920542
As I mentioned up thread the virus is present in feces.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-01/coronavirus-lurking-in-feces-may-reveal-hidden-risk-of-spread
▶️ PAY ATTENTION!!! ◀️
E.M. Smith has a warming for us.
Larry had commented that the CDC ignores asymptomatic carriers.
KRON-TV (S.F.)
So WHO did he contact on his way home?
Was he an asymptomatic carrier shedding virus all the way home?
Did he use the bathroom in the San Jose airport where the homeless hang out and use the same facilities?
Did he stop to buy groceries?
Guess we will know in 7 to 14 days.
“The county assured the case does not heighten the risk of coronavirus to the general public in Santa Clara County.”
I don’t see how anyone can say this, given the reports about how the virus spreads.
Politicians shovel Bull Shiff and that is a truckload of very ripe Bull Shiff.
INFORMATION…
Excellent videos. Thank you! Bonus was the unintended humor in the mask video;-) Process and points made in both videos important to know.
As an aside, along with the mask covering nose and mouth, I have goggles. Goggles NOT disposable. Until I read otherwise, goggles will be wiped with Clorox wipes or the like.
More…
More on the good news about vitamin C
ANOTHER in Californicate!
NEW: California reports another case of coronavirus, 9th in the U.S. Santa Clara County’s second case – Woman recently traveled to Wuhan, China – She has stayed home since she arrived, except for twice to seek medical care.
Breaking911
@Breaking911
BREAKING: 9th case of coronavirus confirmed in the U.S. — an adult female in Santa Clara County, California – KABC
Relative of first case in Santa Clara County. Read somewhere earlier today.
^^^ It fits. First one a guy. Visited Wuhan 24 Jan. This one a gal. She claims to have visited doctor twice since returning from Wuhan. BOTH had been to Wuhan.
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Philippines. Two case so far. Guy and gal. Husband and wife. Guy dead. BOTH just returned from Wuhan.
Medical and Health officials need to consider the implications of couples, families returning from Wuhan. IF one gets Corona, idiot in me thinks the others are infected and it a matter of time.
things that make you go HMMMMmmm
The idea is that the world will never know how many Chinese were wiped out by this contagion.
They need a virtual Wall of remembrance, to document every life that is lost.
A place on the Internet where friends and family can add names, so a record can be kept, beyond the control of the totalitarian regime.
These people should not just be forgotten.
Per the Chiefio blog dedicated Wuhan Coronavirus thread:
“Larry Ledwick”
3 February 2020 at 1:30am
BNO Newsroom
Verified account
@BNODesk
NEW: California reports 2 new cases of coronavirus, raising U.S. total to 11.
My opinion, which I have stated previously, is that once the total number of U.S. cases gets to 10, the general public will start to take notice; especially once the Super Bowl distraction is over and the Fake Impeachment of POTUS ends in his acquittal.
It may now well be time to begin serious gathering of supplies for the household, make plans about having the children at home for weeks at a time in the event that the schools are closed, and any other plans and actions necessary to remain at home in case there is a General Quarantine imposed by the federal government.
IF this post is out of line, apologies.
Thinking out loud so to speak. Some of this may fit folks realities… Tailor to ones realities, or disregard. Below NOT well organized nor all inclusive. Perhaps stuff to ponder.
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Day or two ago, I read possibility of two to three months self quarantine may be directed. Smacks of worst case. Well, OK, NOT worst case. But, that is a long time. That coming from a guy that has been on Navy ships for extended periods of time.
***** Me thinks IF we go into quarantine, it’ll be specific areas hit by Corona. NOT Nationwide or even Statewide. Moar likely city, county and the like. Perhaps highway, river boundaries, etc. *****
Limited Guard will be activated to augment police, fire, medical, etc.
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While I am no longer in the Navy, Military planning ALWAYS comes with assumptions and limitations to base planning on.
My ASSUMPTIONS.
– Reality of three to four weeks quarantine. Planning three months. (Retired and I can afford it.)
– Power, water and sewer functional throughout quarantine.
– Schools closed. Colleges could with some effort largely shift to distance learning. That’s a guess on my part. Fits some classes. Does NOT fit other classes. Two twelve year old Grandsons home. YAY!!! 🙂
– WITHIN quarantined area, vital logistics such as trucking will operate. Food, supplies and the like will get through to supermarkets, hospitals, clinics, etc. Home Depot and the like limited availability. Trades such as HVAC and plumbing emergency service only.
– Quarantine boundaries WILL be enforced.
My LIMITATIONS.
– Fuel. Vehicles and fuel cans about 110 gallons. IF gas stations NOT open. Limits travel and generators. Heating mainly. Significant health issue.
– Water. Twenty cases of 40 1/2 liter bottles. Life straw. Family straw. Water purification tablets.
– Food. Four to six months fresh, canned, frozen, freeze dried.
THE PLAN. In no particular order.
– Plenty of food on-hand. Frozen, canned, box and the like.
– Fruit and vegetables. Fresh to start. Then can and freeze dried.
– IF supermarkets open, weekly stock-up at a minimum fresh fruit and vegetables.
– – Nevada is open carry state.
– – 9MM on hip.
– – Wear respirator, goggles and gloves.
– Vitamins six month supply.
– Prescriptions six month supply. (90 day prescriptions which we refill at 80 days. Built my stock on that process. Actually have nine month supply on most prescriptions. Dosage changes, start over;-) )
– Visually verify First Aid stocks.
– Check battery stocks.
– Test lanterns.
– Flashlights functioning.
– Test emergency radio. Battery operated, solar capable and hand crank.
– Laundry soap, bleach, disinfectant, wipes, etc. on-hand.
– Paper plates, bowls, cups, plastic wear and large trash bags on-hand in event water and sewer offline.
– Propane tanks for BBQ topped off.
– 100 lbs charcoal if we need to BBQ with Weber.
– Test Coleman stove.
– Vehicles maintained 1/2 tank or better. IF things spiral out of control. Then maintain 3/4 tank two vehicles. Others topped off. 21 gallons of fuel in containers. Siphons available to transfer fuel from vehicles.
– Generators working. (I test generators first of every month)
– Six portable heaters IF power goes out. We’ll be warm enough and hopefully pipes won’t freeze.
– HVAC filters on-hand to change every two months.
– Respirators, goggles, and gloves on-hand.
– Verify tools, lubricants, etc. are available.
– While unlikely where I live, IF lawless actions are in the area we do following. Son and I on eight hour shifts with 24/7 coverage. Wear side arms at all times awake. 12GA or AR at the ready.
Adjust above as reality dictates.
Stream of thought above. Rather sure obvious stuff missing.
Hope none of this is necessary!
Impressive
It’s a starting point. Have added a bit to it. Good to think these things through in advance. minimize surprises, OR big problems.
Don’t believe we have quarantines. But, dunno 😉
I am fighting the ‘need quarantine supplies’ battle with Hubby. He is thinking a couple weeks, I am thinking a couple months minimum.
DO NOT FORGET PET FOOD!
FWIW, my plan agrees with both of you. 😉
While I believe IF there is a quarantine, it will be localized (city, county, etc.) and along the lines of incubation period, two to three weeks.
That said, I am planning two to three months IF everything really goes to hell.
And yes, pets are accounted for. Part of the family 😉
“…12GA or AR at the ready.”
Maybe include some non-lethal rounds for the 12 gauge. You can buy shells with rock salt in them. Also proximity shells that explode like a large firecracker about a hundred feet after being fired. Used most often to scare off bears. Also shot shells packed with non-lethal rubber buckshot are available for ordering.
I suppose you could even open up a shell, dump out the shot and substitute with something like kitty litter. It would sting badly even at moderate range. Make sure the shell crimp is sealed back up good.
Packs of dogs that have been abandoned could also be a problem.
This IS UGLY…
FTA
Wuhan virus: Death toll in China rises to 361, total number of cases exceeds 17,000
The number of total infections in China’s coronavirus outbreak has passed 17,200 nationwide with 2,829 new cases confirmed, the National Health Commission said on Monday (Feb 3).
In its daily update, the commission said there had been 57 new deaths from the virus – all in hardest-hit Hubei province except one, bringing the national toll to 361, exceeding the country’s death toll from the 2002-03 Sars outbreak, which killed 349 people in mainland China.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-chinas-hubei-province-reports-56-new-deaths-more-than-2100-new-confirmed
Thank you, Kalbo. I’m going to update at the top. Looks like the Chiefs are losing.
Appreciate it.
FWIW. Roughly 10:30AM Singapore Feb 3. Guessing numbers are cumulative through Feb 2. Could be “real time” accounting so to speak. dunno. Either way 2,800+ new cases in China in one day. Ugly.
Was hoping the Chiefs would win. Have not been watching. Hope they pull it out!
I think the Chiefs just won. Fireworks going off everywhere lol
Chiefs 31- 49ers 20 Final
Yeah!!!!!!!
http://lenteconservador.com/2020/02/02/breaking-now-scientists-confirm-coronavirus-man-madecontains-pshuttle-sn-sequence-proving-laboratory-origin/
SPAM-BINNED BY THE AKISMET CENSORSHIP PLUGIN
Thought that one would be a heads up moment. Instead…..crickets
YIKES!
Well that answers the question.
Bio engineered.
Here are some other ‘tells’ from WIKI
Corona Virus IS NOT A RETROVIRIDAE!
Corona Virus: WIKI
I am a chemist and not a biologist so I do not know if gene insertion from Family: Retroviridae into Family: Coronaviridae is typically seen in nature or not. However I think this might have been what ‘raised the eyebrows’ of the scientists of the withdrawn paper, esp when there were 4 insertions at just the right spots.
MORE INFO ON suspicious Coronaviridae TIMELINE:
https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/
https://greatgameindia.com/chinese-biowarfare-agents-at-harvard-university-caught-smuggling-viruses/
https://greatgameindia.com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/
Those scientist were leaned on. Real hard. And the publisher and zerohedge
Yes, very telling isn’t it?
One point that stood out to me is that the vaccines they manufacture can lower people’s immunity to other viruses, increasing mortality rate. From the article:
“Why does it matter whether the origin was a Chinese vaccine experiment vs. a bioweapon? As previous research has revealed, when these SARS insertions into the coronavirus are introduced into animal as part of a vaccine, they create heightened fatalities when patients are exposed to other coronavirus strains.
“In effect, being vaccinated with this particular strain of coronavirus causes individuals to be more easily killed by the common cold and other non-pandemic coronavirus strains that are circulating in the wild.”
Yes. So very ,very deniable
Johns Hopkins Global Cases/Wuhan Coronavirus…
map, here…
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
total cases, confirmed 17,417
USA 11
total deaths 362
total recovered 489
“total deaths 362”
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Coronavirus first discovered/recognized on December 8th, 2019 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak#1%E2%80%9318_December_2019 )
So that’s about 26 days ago.
In the video above, with the person wandering through a Wuhan hospital, there were at least two deaths in the space of about two minutes. At that pace you would reach 362 deaths in six hours.
Methinks the ‘official death toll’ is ridiculously, ludicrously, criminally under-reported.
ridiculously
ludicrously
criminally
alarmingly
insanely
grossly
INTENTIONALLY
deceptively
China numbers continue to be terrible. As Scott states, deaths obviously under reported. Absolutely do NOT believe the China death and recovered numbers. ChiCom BS for the Chinese.
Using John’s Hopkins data. NOT China Corona cases. One death outside China.
1/31 168
2/01 173 Gained 5
2/02 189 Gained 16
Tomorrows and the following days numbers will be interesting. Many times we’ve read, numbers by February 7th will be very telling. Sometimes February 7th to 14th.
ADDITIONAL TELL, for me will be continuing trend through February 20th.
– Airlines are shutting down ALL flights out of China. Some have already done so. Many within a couple days.
– Toss in incubation period. 14 days is what I recall.
The USA and UK are both using a 14 day quarantine.
Butler County, Ohio update..
GOOD NEWS…those 2 students who were tested yesterday for possible coronavirus have tested negative..
they are out of isolation…seem to be cleared…
short article..
https://www.wdtn.com/news/local-news/breaking-news-miami-university-will-issue-update-on-coronavirus-sunday-night/
“….have tested negative….”
I hope the testing was done correctly. LOTS of false negatives if you use a cheek or throat swab. You need ‘material’ coughed up from deep in the lungs.
IKR…seemed a tad quick, imo…how long does “testing” usually take ?
The test kits have now been sent out to hospitals so they do not have to ship the sample to the CDC.
I think I read the test takes 2 to 3 hours. (And $4,000)
thnx
Coronavirus Now Suspected In 3 NYC Patients
Another two patients were being tested Sunday, health officials said.
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/coronavirus-now-suspected-3-nyc-patients
Old Hits…
…cheers!….
…have another drink !… Happy Family, We Got This ! Let’s Be More Like China !…
GlowBull Piece…
Hussein O’Traitor: “No challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change charlatans and con-artists.”
There, fixed it for ya.
yep !
thank U !
(That tweet has gone missing as has the picture.)
Gheezzzzz, the mortality is high with this virus.
Remember that is 14% of those sick enough to go to the hospital and of those who go to the hospital not all are even being tested. It is not 14% of those who catch the virus.
Right?
Unfortunately not all of those who die are being tested either. Instead it is straight to the ‘burn pile’
This is a tweet by someone complaining their relative went straight to the crematorium. (There are seven crematorium in Wuhan so that is over 200 in just one night. Many would be from ”pneumonia” )
Another tweet:
Secret cremations in China
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/01/31/china-accused-secretly-cremating-coronavirus-victims-conceal-fatalities/
Larry:
I was under the impression (twitter) that the State just cremated the bodies.
From Chiefio site
And that is not the only one.
From Larry Ledwick:
E.M. Smith is now bracketed with cases so please pray for him.
“…it will whack here first so I can be your canary 🙂 “
New cases in CA, human to human transmission. Also Pompeo says more American evacuations likely
https://ktla.com/2020/02/03/6th-confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-california-brings-u-s-total-to-11/
New evidence emerges: Coronavirus “bioweapon” might have been a Chinese vaccine experiment gone wrong… genes contain “pShuttle-SN” sequences, proving laboratory origin
February 3, 2020
by Mike Adams, Natural News
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/02/new-evidence-emerges-coronavirus-bioweapon-might-have-been-a-chinese-vaccine-experiment-gone-wrong-genes-contain-pshuttle-sn-sequences-proving-laboratory/
Two days ago, a paper published in the Biorxiv.org journal presented findings that indicated the coronavirus appeared to be engineered with “key structural proteins” of HIV. The paper, entitled, “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120
and Gag,” concluded that the engineering of coronavirus with such gene sequences was “unlikely to be fortuitous in nature,” providing strong scientific support for the theory that the coronavirus is an engineered bioweapon that escaped laboratory containment in China.
The coverage of this paper by Zero Hedge led to a firestorm of denials by governments, health authorities and the CIA-controlled media, not surprisingly. Any suggestion that the coronavirus was engineered as a bioweapon had to be immediately eliminated. The prevailing panic by the establishment sought to blame this outbreak on Mother Nature — i.e. bats, snakes, seafood, etc. — rather than the human beings who are playing around with deadly biological weapons that are designed to extinguish human life.
[Excerpt] Read more at the link above…
Yes, there has been a lively discussion of that paper and other factors over at Chiefios.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/global-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
Thanks for the link, Gail! On top of it you are – what a treasure to The Q Tree you are!!!
Actually it is the Scientific types over at ChiefIOs. I just grab the most interesting tidbits and drag them over here.
Since I have interacted over the net and in person with these guys for years, I trust them to not be spreading ‘Fear Porn’
Good move – we must be careful – as Q said – be careful who you follow – 🙂
The Army bio defense lab at Fort Dietrick, MD is currently hobbled in providing research, They’ve been restricted / limited by the CDC since July of last year. Cue suspicious cat.
From the newsroom/media page at USAMRIID at Fort Dietrick, MD, dated November 22, 2019P:
CDC Approves Partial Resumption of USAMRIID Research
The U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) will
resume limited research, following a successful recent inspection by the Centers for Disease
Control (CDC) and Prevention.
In July 2019, the CDC suspended USAMRIID’s registration to work with Biological
Select Agents and Toxins, citing issues with its biosafety program. There was no risk to
employee health, public health, or the environment, and no infectious agents were detected
outside of containment areas.
In the past four months, USAMRIID has engaged in ongoing discussions with the CDC
while taking a comprehensive approach to improving infrastructure, training, compliance, and
biosafety standards. In early November, the CDC’s Division of Select Agents and Toxins
(DSAT) conducted a site inspection of USAMRIID to assess its progress.
Source: https://www.usamriid.army.mil/press_releases/FINAL_RIID_Research_PR_22_Nov.pdf
“….restricted / limited by the CDC since July of last year.”
GEE What a COINCIDINK!
May 24, 2019 — Shipment of Level 4 pathogens from Canada to China
July 5, 2019 — Chinese scientists Removal
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I wonder just how many of the BureauRATS at the CDC are Commie DemonRats?
……
This tweet is from the Johns Hopkins doctor, Dr. Inglesby.
He “is the Director of the Center for Health Security of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. The Center for Health Security is dedicated to protecting people’s health from the consequences of epidemics and disasters.”
What I am seeing in this tweet is this guy’s priority is NOT the people of the USA but the WTO and international trade!
ALSO:
Simulated Coronavirus Outbreak 6 Weeks Before First Case in Wuhan : Selected moments from the Event 201 pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.
I can certainly see why President Trump formed a Task Force instead of relying on Deweebs like the above Doctor who doesn’t even KNOW people can spread the disease BEFORE they have a temperature or any real symptoms. 🙄
I missed this (Larry) OH SHIFF!
Symptom history of first US patient
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191
NOTE THE COUGH!
Tests of cheek swab and throat swab are NEGATIVE while sputum is POSITIVE.
Ron
@CodeMonkeyZ
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1223446616381644801
They need to add “shortness of breath” as a tracked symptom. This is the “SARS-like” and “MERS-like” nature of the coronavirus – it’s distinctive, and a separate issue from cough.
On CDC….
Some information on the Cornoavirus here…mix of other subjects
THE YEAR OF MANUFACTURED CRISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ygnZ0oV_s
So March ARB was the first quarantine stop, now Miramar has been designated as the second.
Highway to the danger zone!
“Some of the Americans fleeing the coronavirus outbreak in China will fly into a San Diego military base this week, congressional leaders announced Sunday.
According to a statement issued by Rep. Scott Peters, who represents San Diego’s 52nd Congressional District, the group will arrive at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar and be quarantined for 14 days to ensure they do not pose a health risk to the public. The statement initially said passengers would arrive Monday, but Peters’ staff has since said the arrival date and number of passengers are unknown.
“I will continue to monitor the situation closely, and I am requesting a public briefing from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” Peters said in the statement.
U.S. health officials declared a public health emergency Friday and requested that military facilities, capable of housing at least 250 people in individual rooms, be used to accommodate those who might need to be quarantined.”
https://ktla.com/2020/02/03/americans-fleeing-coronavirus-in-china-to-fly-into-miramar-marine-base-in-san-diego/
This is in line with Def. Sec. ESPER’s directive to have FOUR military bases ready to quarantine 1,000 persons.
Now, while these persons MAY AT THE MOMENT be U.S. citizen evacuees, it is ALSO possible that these bases (and perhaps more) can be used to quarantine numbers of the GENERAL population in the event of a federal government-imposed General Quarantine.
My opinion, NOT telling anyone how run their lives and NOT going in for fear-mongering:
Perhaps it is time NOW to discuss within the family about preparing for in-home “shelter in place” for a 3-month period. And to gather any necessary supplies as soon as possible. And to prepare the “drop area” for outside clothing when returning home.
Doesn’t hurt to make sure you also have SEEDS on hand. You can always grow lettuce, green onions, chives, and radishes for a bit of fresh munching.
https://www.thompson-morgan.com/top-10-easy-to-grow-vegetables
https://www.wikihow.com/Grow-Chives
Some you can grow in pots under grow lights or on a balcony if you are in the city.
Yes. We have our earthquake supplies that we can use. If you have a deep freezer and space for all that dehydrated food. But most people have no way to stop their income for 3 months. I know we dont.
You do what you can Gil, perhaps talk to your boss about the options you have to limit exposure. Remember it seems to start with a COUGH.
Larry Ledwick….
China is definitely losing the mandate of heaven………
Earthquake hit Sichuan.
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1224445166905253891
https://twitter.com/emilyjodell/status/1224024168875692032
“China is definitely losing the mandate of heaven………”
Very much so!
#1. Tariffs by President Trump.
#2. Factories leaving
#3. African Swine Flu wipes out over 1/2 of China’s Pigs
#4. Hong Kong protesting
#5. Corona Virus spreads like wildfire killing many
#6. A “highly pathogenic” strain of the H5N1 avian flu has been reported in China’s Hunan province, China’s Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs said. 18,000 chickens were culled. In the western Xinjiang region, 19 swans have already died in the Xinjiang reservoir that houses close to 150 swans.
#7. Earthquake…
Xi Jinping ‘reign’ may not last much longer if things continue heading down the toilet and the Communist Party decides to ‘sacrifice the King’
….
Not sure of Chinese custom but Bog bodies are kings sacrificed by Celts
Ground report from the local Dollar General today:
it appears that people are starting to wake up to the danger of the Wuhan Coronavirus.
I went to the DG today to stock up on staple supplies, etc. for Just In Case.
I bought the LAST box of “20 Mule Team Borax” for the laundry.
Bottled water supply low.
Ditto for paper products.
Canned vegetables / pasta / pasta sauce picked through.
Batteries picked through.
Vitamin C / multivitamins mostly bought out.
This is an interesting comment from the economic and political standpoint.
From the same commenter:
It is only 6 minutes
Restricting travel the way Team Trump Admin did was BRILLIANT. Not too fast, but not too slow at all.
SO SMART!!!
Rather than make a ruckus with heavy handed bans, the airlines fell in place on their own.
– NOT political. business decision.
Incubation period commonly pegged at 14 days. SO, anyone that’s been in China in the previous 14 days banned from entering US. THIS cover airports, seaports and border entry points from Canada or Mexico.
– NOT political. Common sense.
Very predictable, D-Rats bitch about all the above. Evil, D-Rats ARE.
Thank God for President Trump! Never stop thanking God for President Trump!
😉
POTUS said birth tourism would end in a couple weeks. Will try to find it. Add “earthquake” to FG&C list of God’s calling card for China.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/
“Two more potential coronavirus cases in VIRGINIA being investigated” (emphasis mine)
The first THREE potential cases were cleared.
These two additional cases bring the total just in Virginia to five.
Since it appears that persons can be tested for the virus,and “cleared”, then LATER ON present with coronavirus symptoms — because the virus can be in the body while the person is asymptomatic — muddies the situation.
Oh my…………..
https://twitter.com/frode1972/status/1224352962362802177
Uhh…I need a drink. Yeah, not going there.
If one can, purchase cloth face masks while they are still available. Might want to avoid amazon due to high usage of masks made in Communist China.
Perhaps try http://www.etsy.com/ —- may be a bit pricey but may be the “port in a storm”.
White cloth masks would probably be best in terms of washing them in hot water with bleach.
… this … VVV …
… 🤨👍 … ❤️
But you probably can’t bleach these .. 😞🤚 …
I’m searching for these, Staples sells them, they’re out of stock at Walgreens in my area. Darn.
LOL 😀
(Hi Niks) <3
… 🤗❤️ … hi smiley2 … 🙂👍❤️
or this…
hey ! cool gift idea for Valentine’s Day…Feb 2020 !
… 🧐🤚 … 😮👍❤️❤️❤️‼️ … I LIKE that one … bwahahahahahah .. ❤️
Considering the number of flights between ORD and STL on a daily basis, this is a bit scary.
Text of tweet:
One of our good Sources says that 71 people are being qaurintined at Chicago O’Hare Airport.
@BBCBreaking
is this true?
#coronavirususa
MOAR from Larry…
“Well this is very interesting!
Some folks have speculated if this virus might be an escaped bio weapon or even an experimental vaccine virus.”
Dr. Francis Boyle Creator Of BioWeapons Act Says Coronavirus Is Biological Warfare Weapon
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️READ THAT ARTICLE!!!⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
There is a lot more evidence that it is a BIOWEAPON!
For example:
“…In his insightful article he [J.R. Nyquist] published secret speechs given to high-level Communist Party cadres by Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explaining a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance – the catalyst for which would be China’s secret plan to weaponize viruses. ….”
“…a study by Indian scientists finding 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus to be not naturally evolved, raising the possibility of it being created in a lab. Shockingly, the study itself came under intense online criticism by Social Media experts resulting in the scientists withdrawing the paper.
In retaliation India has launched a full-scale investigation against China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology. The Indian government has ordered an inquiry into a study conducted in the Northeastern state of Nagaland (close to China) by researchers from the U.S., China and India on bats and humans carrying antibodies to deadly viruses like Ebola.
The study came under the scanner as two of the 12 researchers belonged to the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s Department of Emerging Infectious Diseases, and it was funded by the United States Department of Defense’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA).….
now being investigated for how the scientists were allowed to access live samples of bats and bat hunters (humans) without due permissions….”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No wonder President Trump sprang into action so quickly.
This was the study I linked that zerohedge got hammered for citing. And not hammered as in drunk
Ozzy, They mention that not only Zerohedge got hammered but they also got hammered.
SOMEONE certainly doesn’t want that information out there. Also there is stuff in that article that is not just the study.
They actually have three articles:
https://greatgameindia.com/chinese-biowarfare-agents-at-harvard-university-caught-smuggling-viruses/
https://greatgameindia.com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/
https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/
Yep. Serious suppression on this.
OTOH
imagine being this driver
Lots from anonymous conservative
On this next tweet’s image (click the image to see the full thing), the next week will be critical, to see if people realizing Corona was a problem, donning masks, washing hands, not going out, and the state shutting down public activity and travel will all slow that spread. If the rate of increase stays that high, it will be a problem:
Updated charts for the coronavirus outbreak in China pic.twitter.com/WceeCKbcq3
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) February 3, 2020
Coronavirus update:
– 17,388 confirmed cases worldwide
– 21,558 suspected cases
– 362 fatalities
– 2,296 in serious/critical condition
– 475 in China recovered
– Vast majority of cases in China
– 24 countries reporting cases
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) February 3, 2020
Britain is hunting for 480 Wuhan travelers that are lost in Britain. Britain has as much citizen surveillance as the US. They are following random citizens on the street, and everything is in a searchable database. I have no doubt if the government had access to the database they would know exactly where every one of these foreigners, from a nation that is a major espionage threat, are at this very moment. But that machine appears not for law-enforcement/public-health usage, even in the face of a major pandemic, even as weasels like Eric Schneiderman openly use it to psychologically corral the girls they are beating and raping. You can see why I am 99.99999% certain people knew 9/11 was coming, and just let it happen. And once you go there, and realize the full scope of the machine, it is entirely possible they did it purposely.
The most reputable outlet in China did a piece, translated here, on how China did not have the ability to treat Corona virus patients, and was sending them home to die, and then recording their deaths as unrelated pneumonias, meaning the stats on Corona virus are much worse than reported. The piece was censored, but not before the internet archived it. The test strips are limited to ten per day at one hospital, so confirmed numbers probably mean nothing as it is just a measure of how many test strips they have available. Of 120 fever patients, 80 have lung involvement, but only 5 get admitted to the hospital. The rest are sent home and will never be recorded. If they die, they are immediately cremated, and it is called general pneumonia, and not recorded as Corona. And only patients admitted to the hospital can be listed as suspected, which means when BNO reports 20,000 suspected cases, the number correlates to 320,000 lung-involved patients who showed up at the hospital, and 480,000 fevers who felt bad enough to go to the hospital, all of which were sent home, save for the original 20,000 who get listed as suspected. This is why we were seeing the unusual images of people laying out in the street – it is really bad over there. Bear in mind, it appears even those who beat it continue to shed, possibly indefinitely, meaning everyone may eventually get it. And it is not clear if having it degrades you physically after beating it, or if it may hang around to re-emerge later with stress or immune system degradation from other issues, maybe killing you later. Our only hope is it is Asian specific, though that may not do much for Asians across the globe, who will need a vaccine. This is why nations historically had borders, and why we need to establish them again. This was always going to happen.
Corona virus looks increasingly like a pandemic. 4 suspected cases in Africa.
Ninth US case of Corona confirmed in California.
Thai medics claim coronavirus break-through: Patient is declared ‘disease-free’ in 48 hours using HIV and flu drugs. Big if true. If we began stockpiling these two drugs now, so we had enough to treat our Asian populations in a month or two when this hits in full, this might not affect us.
New Zealand announces Chinese ban amid Corona virus fears.
American who caught Corona during a 2 hour stop-over in Wuhan on his way to Vietnam was Vietnamese-American, so he was Asian. They should let people know the races of the deaths, and even the confirmed cases in nations. Although they may think if it is Asian specific and everyone knows, non-Asian races will be less assiduous in avoiding it, and they may facilitate Asian exposures, so we may not find out for a while to protect Asian populations.
More than half of China extends shutdown over virus. So China is massively debt-funding development predicated on massively growing their economy, which was hanging on by a thread back when they were raping the US economy on trade, and now everybody is suddenly on lockdown. Could Corona’s release, almost perfectly timed to peak on the Chinese New Year celebration, have been a shot by Cabal at the global economy, designed to hit around April or may? Once China collapses, how will that ripple out and affect the broader global economy? It is strangely timed to the Storm’s seeming peak.
Understatement of the day, month, year. Corona is a medical disaster based on ChiCom numbers. Compound that with, various unofficial reports, TW, video, text, etc., reflect the numbers can be multiplied.
From above post, “[b] More than half of China extends shutdown over virus [/b]”.
Economic disaster unfolding for ChiComs. Once Corona is brought under control, “natives” as in Chinese are gonna be pissed off at ChiComs. Guessing huge impact on lifestyles. ChiComs will essentially say, “suck it up buttercup”.
– Hong Kongers emboldened…FREEDOM!
– Taiwan…worth watching;-)
– Mainland natives…wildcard.
(Wonder if one trick pony learned how to [b]bold[/b] 😉
I don’t know how to do bold
One trick pony is me…trying to figure out [b} bold [/b] .
Would never toss a dart at ya like that;-) Tossed it at myself, in jest 😉
That’s ok. I know my tech limitations. And too proud to ask the teenager for help after the comment -why do you even try?
😉 Gail broke out the Crayola’s to guide me. LOL 😉
Now you are speaking my language!
Go to the site .he has all the links
This is going to be an enormous mess.
No way in heck we’re getting real numbers.
No way to measure.
Time to buy zoned industrial land 5-10 acres within an hour of a major metro.
I am sitting on 100+ within five miles of a major four lane and it is just county land NOT city. 😆
kalbokalbs use < instead of [
You and also use:
i = itallics
blockquote = indented quote
just add the greater than and less than signs around them. (I can not use the actual sign because it will disappear)
One trick pony testing. Thank you!
😉
Okay, so I try >test< ???
^^^ IF BOLD is still a puzzle…. I may have broken the code so to speak… (but only if bold showed here 😉
Use “less than” and “greater than” either side, “b” to start bold.
Use “less than” and “greater than” either side of, “/b” to end bold.
.
.
Example [b] bold stuff [/b]
^^^ “less than” then greater than in place of [ ]
Hope above works AND is clearer than mud.
>test< did it work?
Two part equation so to speak…
First part of equation…
Less than before “b”
Greater than after “b”
^^^ starts bold…following text will be bold….IF we do part two.
Second part…
Less than before “/b”
Greater than after “b”
^^^ Ends bold…previous text will be bold.
Above may make sense.
You have the patience of Job, thank you.
>[b] test [/b]<
Let's see!
Start with less than, end with greater than. I may be sting that incorrectly. School was a looong time ago 😉
text we want bold
^^^ Insert b in place of 2.
Or is this it?
[b] >test< [/b]
what a pain!
Some of what I am posting appears to be disappearing. Hmmm. Another way to muddle the path…
Using place holders [ or ] as WP eats the “coding stuff” which is < and the one, next to it on key board.
Me thinks < is less than. It goes first, to the left of b. Opposite of < goes to right side of b. Replace my placeholders below…[ ] with less than and greater than.
[b] text to bold [/b]
Daughn, Just realized, me thinks both of us are on Gab. Sent the bold stuff there. I think it was a Feb 26 tes3 123, you sent that I replied to. Gab is a mystery to me, so hoping it works 😉
Thanks, Gail!
Test entries:
BOLD text
Italics text
👍🏼
text
Underlined text
text
I give up.
Argh!!!!!!!!!!
Daughn use > for the other side of the ‘b’ (Lower case)
] = >
so it looks like
[b] but you use > instead on either side of the b
IF I try to show both angles word press takes it as a command.
I will try to add this:
[ = <
Okay, so I try >test< ???
underlined
This is so frustrating.
Trying again.
How do I underline it in wordpress?
Never mind – I’m being bothersome. Apologies.
Dunno either. So I am letting it go. So much important stuff happening. Hard for slow guy to keep up.
Settling on = bold
IF ^^^ worked 😉
“American who caught Corona during a 2 hour stop over…”
that’s all it takes…a 2 hour stop over…
Former HHS Secretary Tom Price, M.D.: Coronavirus–the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/03/former-hhs-secretary-tom-price-m-d-coronavirus-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
From Larry>
“Best guess on incubation period is 6.4 days.
6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days (2.5th to 97.5th percentile).”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018986v2
From China Uncensored: Is “The Central Threat”: Pompeo | Coronavirus Doctors Targeted!
China is now arrested DOCTORS!
(10minutes)
Per the Chiefio blog dedicated Wuhan Coronavirus thread:
“Larry Ledwick” 3 February 2020 at 5:22am
It appears that the following United States military bases are now prepared to house persons for quarantine:
Travis Air Force Base (Solano County CA)
Marine Corps Air Station Miramar (San Diego CA)
Lackland Air force Base (San Antonio TX)
168th Regiment Regional Training Institute, Fort Carson (Colorado Springs CO)
Daily ChiCom numbers update via Singapore Straits Times.
FTA
BEIJING (AFP, REUTERS) – The number of confirmed deaths …425, …authorities in China’s Hubei province reported 64 new fatalities on Tuesday (Feb 4).
In its daily update, …in Hubei…, also showed a sharp increase in confirmed infections with 2,345 new cases.
Across China, there were 3,235 new confirmed infections on Monday, bringing the total number so far to 20,438.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinas-hubei-province-reports-64-new-deaths-more-than-2300-new-infections
>>>>>
IMO, with zero medical or health training…
– Corona bad news is NOT peaking in China.
– ChiComs massively unprepared for what they have unleashed…on their people.
– Globally, we’ll see.
– Guardedly positive for US. Personally making limited, IMO, sane preps.
THIS thread, the posts and other QTree ARE, IMO the best sources for Corona. Articles, stories, links, videos keep us well informed.
Just remember a lot of items that are made in China will no longer be available.
Yes!
Have started factoring “China” into personal purchases of key items. Thankfully, shelf life is most always not an issue when items are properly stored.
Ozzy provided a long post that included, “More than half of China extends shutdown over virus.”
We know air freight from China effectively zero, or nearly zero.
Surface shipping, dunno. Would like to know.
As Daughn reported, big T chatting with a young WalMart manager, other sources will spring up. Capitalism IS great!
100%, disruptions already showing and will transition from nuisance to pain in the…
I do hope pharmaceutical companies are making alternative plans.
Whenever China gets past Corona, life, no pun intended simply won’t be the same.
There are 5 major diseases in the USA which cost us about 600 BILLION a year (diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.)
If I was Johnson and Johnson, or Eli Lily…
…… I would take one year tax incentive to depreciate ALL the equipment right now (already within the Tax Plan under Trump) and I would be gearing up Blood pressure meds…… right now
along with insulin, etc.
GOgogoogoooooooo.
GRAB that market share.
How about just fixing their diets and get them off the meds.
That helps a lot of people, for sure! But by no means all. Some people have a genetic thing. Hypertension in my family, even young and at optimum weight and health. Drugs still necessary for some, unfortunately. Better they are made here.
But definitely not ignoring your point. Diet is a HUGE help in both type 2 diabetes and hypertension.
“….Diet is a HUGE help in both type 2 diabetes and hypertension.”
AMEN!
I wrestle with both. Luckily the diet is pretty much the same except I can not tolerate NaCl salt or caffeine. Potassium (KCl) salt brings my BP down very nicely as long as I do not try to sneak in anything salty.
Despite claims to the contrary, you can reverse type 2 diabetes, or at least control it, if you are RIGOROUS about what you eat.
So TRUE Sylvia,
It starts with ‘low blood sugar’ and craving sweets when you are young. I friend who was a biologist and had diabetic parents taught me how to control the problem when I was in college. The darn doctor DENIED I could have the problem because I was ‘too young’ and refused to do a glucose challenge.
Cinnamon BTW does help even out the insulin spikes for those times you cheat. (I LOVE CHOCOLATE!)
And, if they were smart, they would BOLSTER the new meds with major ad campaign highlighting MADE IN THE USA = trust worthy
AND actually FDA INSPECTED!
GEE… Maybe I ought to dust off the old resume.
Eeeeeeeeeeeghad, can we imagine our dearest Gail as a Quality Control Inspector and trying to get something past HER!!!!!!!????!!!!
Not a chance!
Yeah, one of the worst things Paul Ryan pushed through was removing country of origin labels on food.
For our little family, USA seafood was important. Want to support my local shrimpers!
RYNO did that? Oh, that figures.
Pissed me off then, and it pisses me off now. Seafood is terribly important. It’s not just about supporting your local shrimpers, fact of the matter is you really really don’t want to eat shrimp unless they come from the Gulf!!!!!!
Did he really?
Well, I won’t buy fish that is not USA sourced or farmed for that matter. Fortunately, our local grocers are anal about posting signage of where their meat and fish come from. All American all the time.
Per the Chiefio blog:
It appears that the Wuhan Coronavirus infection growth rate is rising to about 24% PER DAY.
Think about that.
“…infection growth rate is rising to about 24% PER DAY.”
A commentator / writer said something last week about the Coronavirus that keeps coming back to mind:
“Holy Mother of God”
Yes, Larry on an earlier page had a log chart.
Nice semi log plot of cases vs time
So far the infection rate is not leveling off.
Office Depot out of masks online.
Try finding them at local building supply and hardware stores. Spend the extra on quality masks. The cheap ones are little better than nose hairs in filtering out things. and the rubber band holders on them break too easily.
Hey, there’s an idea. Let your nose hairs grow out for further protection!
I went to the hardware store for mine.
Chic behind the counter, “We’ve been selling a lot of these……. wonder why?”
Told her about the virus.
She had not made the connection.
People that clueless should not be allowed to vote.
I would do that except most of mine are on the outside. Can’t do much good there, plus they’re unsightly.
Carson City, NV two Home Depot. Limited N95 disposable and cartridge in stock. ZERO N100. Limited P100 mask with replaceable cartridge.
Harbor Freight. N95 mask. Replacement cartridges not stocked.
Amazon, good luck. Ordered some disposable last week. Indicated in stock. Deliver Feb 7. No shipping status yet. Still hope, I suppose. Same item on Amazon now shows none available with no due in date. Hoping my order gets filled. Plan B & C in place.
– PRICE GOUGING apparant with some Amazon vendors. SPIT!
It’s not gouging. It’s called supply and demand. The price is attempting to find the equilibrium point. When the price stops rising, one may assume that a supply line has been acquired which acts as a brake and prevents further price increases.
Uh, NO. It’s GOUGING. Hundreds of dollars for what used to cost $50-$75.
Consider when a hurricane is imminent. GAs stations can’t simply start charging $10 per gallon, saying “supply and demand”.
Got a number of things to do this morning. Will try to pull down some examples to post.
Just did a quick look. Not there this morning. Will check periodically.
More information from Larry:
Ohhhh, you guys! Come on.
I’ve had the post up for four days. Updated just a few minutes ago and went through it to reread. Made the dumbest of all grammar errors “there” instead of “their”, and you guys didn’t correct me?
Where are my editors????
Love to all!!!!
We are too busy speed reading and trying to digest all the information….
I wonder if that is what President Trump meant by getting tired of ‘winning’? It is approaching WARP SPEED!
I’m with you, Gail. Pedaling as fast as we can. Fire hose news. Makes me wonder what we are missing. No time to deep dive right now.
Wasn’t going to say anything, as I’m too lazy to go back and fix my own spelling errors after chicken-pecking, but Dr. FAUCI, Dir NIAID. Has been there for ages. Only if you’re worried about it.
Thanks for these great threads!
Oh, and POTUS said he was going to end birth tourism in a couple weeks at a recent rally. Guess travel restrictions from China did that!
They’re, they’re! 😉
I have found my own self-editing skills are flawleas, beginning just after I hit the ‘post comment’ button.
Impecccable.
Bought the last N95 mask at Ace Hardware Saturday. No idea how to use it. Don’t know if it would be effective…..
Yes it would be effective per Larry Ledwick. On the previous page is some ‘How To’ videos I posted. Again with a H/T to Larry.
Thanks Gail, I’ll look for that. I keep checking in here for news but I miss a lot!
Jaw dropping comments from respected China watcher, Gordon Chang…
FTA
Chang, who authored the book “The Coming Collapse of China” claimed that local authorities have “just lost the ability to pick up corpses” due to a “breakdown in government.”
“So really what we are having right now is, they are completely overwhelmed,” he added. “They are not able to keep accurate statistics. So what we are witnessing is essentially a breakdown in government and keeping accurate statistics is a very minor part of their priorities right now.”
“It’s not just Wuhan,” he said. “Many Virologists think that [conditions in] Wuhan will be duplicated in cities like Shanghai, maybe even Beijing. Clearly there is fear everywhere throughout China right now.”
“This is only going to get worse,” Chang concluded, adding the virus will likely not be contained until “April or May.”
*https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-falsifying-coronavirus-death-toll
It makes sense. It is what I have suspected based on things I’ve been reading. I don’t want to be a crepe hanger or cause hysteria……….but I’m really concerned about this.
From E.M. Smith (ChiefIO)
Translation: you have to have ACE2 (the receptor, Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2) in your lungs to be infected.
Or as WIKI puts it: The primary human receptor of the virus is angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), first identified in 2003.
“Expression of ACE2, the putative receptor for Wuhan 2019-nCov, is expressed several fold higher in asian populations. …”
*
There is good reason to be massively concerned in China. China DID everything wrong from the onset. AND continues to do everything wrong. Wonder if the population is near panic and what that may entail. Horrible situation ChiComs have placed their people in.
Here is US, me, quite concerned. We’ll see IF the bug can be contained.
We need facts on our eleven cases. Did, have they recovered. Ages and treatments that worked…
Current US quarantine rules seem to be working. The Feb 7 through 14 we’ll know is IMO too short. Moar likely Feb 7 through 21.
The 7th is about when virtually all “air” out of China will have stopped. THEN the incubation period.
MOAR From Larry:
New Lancet summary published Jan 20 2020
“My take on this – – –
So based on prior information males over 40 who have compromised lungs or other high risk secondary medical conditions are at highest risk. Young healthy under 15 very seldom have any significant symptoms. Looks like speculation that high pollution and poor work health policies in China over the preceding decades may be part of the lethality for older male patients, as there is a 2:1 bias for death favoring males over females in the Chinese data…. “
31 January 2020 “Good primier for the general public from the New York times (Yes S we do read articles from it)” — [I would still take with a large grain of salt – G.C.]
It all has my attention. Specifically, 2:1 lethality for older males. Wish so badly for reliable data.
Sum Ting Wong in Chynna.
H/T Larry Ledwick….
Did China’s Plan To Destroy The United States Backfire
article link…
https://www.theepochtimes.com/did-chinas-plan-to-destroy-the-united-states-backfire_3223117.html
Feb 3, 2020
We are not foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons….Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.
…that’s a quote from Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian, almost 20 years ago, from a speech he made to highly placed Communist Party cadres regarding a long-range plan for a Chinese national renaissance.
3 issues Communist China has been dealing with with regard to this communist plan for a “renaissance” :
1. Living Space (real crowded over there…)
2. Communist Party “teaching” it’s people to “go out” (colonize…conquer new lands)
3. the issue of America
more, at the link.
I have a stupid question, please….if anyone knows the answer (paging Gail Combs)…
how long do the corona/HIV-like pathogens (GERMS) continue to live (and spread) in the air we breathe ?
are those GERMS floating around in the air that circulates…around the globe…around the cities…counties…states ??
asking for a germ-phobic friend …named smiley 🙂
as this horror spreads by ppl moving about, even though those infected ppl are quarantined…(and what about those who aren’t quarantined ?)….is the air everywhere contaminated ?? and are the pathogens carried elsewhere by wind currents, breezes…storms…and such ??
and…
how easily is water contaminated ?
another concern …
how likely is it that infected ppl from all over the infected globe will purposely try to enter the USA b/c the USA has the best medical care and medical facilities on the infected planet ?
Corona airborne is a good question to know.
AND, Corona ON surfaces. Last week I read 28 days. yesterday I saw 6 days.
Would be good to know.
This is eerie.
waterways
There are so many reports now that it’s hard to know which ones are true.
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Creator Of US BioWeapons Act Says Coronavirus Is Biological Warfare Weapon
In an explosive interview Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/creator-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-biological-warfare-weapon
There is definite suspicion this was a Bioweapon esp since it has those FOUR HIV spike proteins in just the right place.
….
” And the new study on Coronavirus 2019-nCoV by the joint research team from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the People’s Liberation Army, and Institut Pasteur of Shanghai indeed found that, like SARS, the virus targeted the ACE2 protein. It’s just as Prof. Zhengli predicated a decade ago: “
”We know they knew these facts way back in 2008 because Prof. Zhengli published the findings of these facts in her report, Difference in Receptor Usage between Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Coronavirus and SARS-Like Coronavirus of Bat Origin….”
https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
…
Also the release was probably back in October/November of 2019 and not December as stated.
Are they trying to blame this on President Trump?
propagating right into Communist China’s conquering renaissance playbook….
useful idiots
OBVIOUSLY this IS President Trump’s fault, future D-Rat and MCM blathering…
Those damn tariffs MADE ChiComs pursue bio weapons.
^^^ SARCASM today. Betting we’ll hear the above soon enough.
The fact that ChiComs have been pursuing bio weapons for years is not relevant to D-Rats and MCM.
Creepy report.
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Fears thick ‘death’ smog over Wuhan confirms China is burning coronavirus bodies
Several Chinese nationals have shared their concern over a fog which has engulfed Wuhan, fuelling fears the death toll inside coronavirus-hit China is higher than what has been reported
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/fears-thick-death-smog-over-21426098
springs to mind…
…shades of Goebbel’s Warfare..
caption : Well-Done, Good and Faithful Comrades !
Forward !
I’m trying to remember on this one…
Does it travel better in dry air? IIRC, surface life is two hours. If moisture is the trick for it…
I guess coming home and straight to the neti pot and shower is in order when venturing out.
There is this from the UK equivelant of the CDC (I would not trust):
Larry Ledwick as always has great information. He worked at NORAD and is well versed in nuclear contamination. He mentions sprinkling a UV activated power in a room full of people being trained and then using a UV light to show how the powder had traveled.
I normally put a * in front of a URL to deactivate so Word Unimpressed does not boot me into the ether. Just copy and paste in a new tab remembering to remove asterisk.
Larry also pointed to this tweet which I have ‘unpacked’ since I do not trust twitter.
Systemic Risk of Pandemic via Novel Pathogens – Coronavirus: A Note
https://www.academia.edu/41743064/Systemic_Risk_of_Pandemic_via_Novel_Pathogens_-_Coronavirus_A_Note
^^^ Final three paragraphs in article above ABSOLUTELY worth reading. COULD be in our near future.
* KUN’s Code money had this tweet
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1223446616381644801
David A says: (He is a pessimist BTW)
…surface life is two hours…
Now I have read 2, 6 and 28 hours. Each number, read once. In time we’ll get a moar accurate, reliable answer.
It depends on the actual surface. Copper and brass surfaces kill the virus for example. (GOOD reason to have brass door handles.)
It also depends on whether there is direct sun light — UV will kill the virus. (There are UV sanitizing lights available) Heat will kill a virus and the humidity will have an effect.
(All info gained from reading E.M. Smith, Larry L. and the gang.)
Thanks.
Almost ordered a UV light after information was posted about two weeks ago. Guessing you were that source. Available then at Amazon. Will revisit later today.
Good that this young man “recovered” from the Wuhan Coronavirus — but:
He was infected TWO MONTHS AGO in Wuhan.
He was in their hospital for TWO WEEKS.
And, per the New England Journal of Medicine — he is STILL carrying the virus, therefore STILL CONTAGIOUS.
How may others who have declared “recovered” or “cured” of a Wuhan virus infection are ALSO carrying the virus AND therefore are STILL contagious?
Also — given that the controversy over the study showing that there are possible HIV-type insertions in the virus, was this man tested for HIV antibodies in his blood?
WELL WORTH THE READ! (Before Reddit takes it down…)
Oh Heck I will ‘capture’ the whole piece here to archive it. (The Chinese have pressured Twitter and Facebook to take down ‘Dis-information. I expect Reddit to be next despite their claim to want ‘un-censored free flow of information.’)
And a MAJOR THANK YOU to u/GroundhogMonth for giving us his hard earned knowledge of how a communist totalitarian state operates.
I lived in USSR when Chernobyl happened…..and what’s going on in China right now, seems eerie familiar to me.
♦️ Discussion
I lived in USSR at the time of the Chernoby outbreak, and based on my own first-hand knowledge of how a communist regime responds to a crisis of such magnitude, I would like to offer my perspective on what’s going on in China right now, and what we might see happen in the future.
♦️ The outbreak was China’s screw-up:
Based on the “officially-unconfirmed” information, it appears that the Corona Virus had somehow escaped China’s BSL-4 lab located in Wuhan, sometime around November (maybe a little earlier). Numerous sources say that back in November, a handful of Chinese “whistleblowers” had come forward, trying to raise an alarm around the new virus that had escaped the lab. These “whistleblowers” were actively suppressed by the Chinese government.
♦️ Initial response was to cover it up:
Just with Chernobyl, they were trying to deal with in internally, at first. Why? Because they did not want to look incompetent and incapable. Any kind of information leaking out of China about the outbreak, was aggressively suppressed.
♦️ Why the cover up?
Because, much like with Chernobyl and USSR, it would mean that hundreds of Chinese citizens that have already died as a result of the virus – and hundreds of thousands that are projected to die over the coming weeks and months – died because of the incompetency of the Chinese government. And this kind of thinking is not allowed, because, unless in the US and other democratic nations, you can’t just “vote out” incompetent leadership in China. You are stuck with what you have, and you better make peace with it.
At this point, the CCP is in full damage control mode – the national media channels don’t show the kinds of videos from Wuhan that surface on Twitter – of people dying on the streets, or people getting forcefully locked up in their apartments, or the footage of the crematoriums. Instead, they keep telling the rest of China how effective the government’s measures at containing the outbreak are, and how the worst of it will be over within a few days.
♦️ What does it mean?
You can’t trust the official (CCP’s) version of events. You can’t trust the official numbers. The outbreak was most likely well underway when anyone outside of China became aware of it. And it was most likely many magnitudes worse than the CCP’s initial numbers. That’s why the “projection charts” about where this pandemic is headed that you see floating around Twitter are useless – they operate with the initial set of numbers that simply don’t reflect reality.
♦️ What’s next?
More cover-up. The CCP will lie through their teeth, to make it look like they’ve got the situation under control. The official “numbers” will start to show that the Chinese government is “winning” against the outbreak. In addition, the GDP numbers will come out, and show a slight decrease, but nothing too serious.
The official numbers will stop making sense within a few weeks/months, as the US companies’ own growth numbers will show a drastic, instead of a “slight” decline.
China is a big growth market for a lot of US and international companies, and when this market tanks due to quarantines and other containment measures, it’s only a matter of time before China’s internal problems propagate through the international supply chain.
Over the next weeks/months, it will become very apparent very quick that China’s containment and economic numbers don’t simply reflect reality.
As this is happening, the CCP will be working on the new narrative of what’s going on – and one way or another, nothing of what’s going on will be the CCP’s fault. The outbreak will most likely be blamed on foreign saboteurs. The continuing containment issues that the China experiences, will be blamed on the inadequate response in the neighboring countries (such as India). Chinese people are still dying on the streets? Well, it’s the Indians’ fault – they’re the ones who aren’t effective at curing the outbreak, and it’s effecting China.
My biggest concern is that, unlike China, USSR in the 1980’s was not a major player in the world economy. USSR’s lies about Chornobyl did not have a huge effect on the stock markets worldwide. But China’s lies about its GDP, about the seriousness of the outbreak and any disruptions that come as a result of it – definitely will. That’s why we’re entering uncharted territory right now.
Time to move those supply chains and decouple!
Chernobyl did cross my mind when some of the early reports came out.
Interesting comparison
Coronavirus to 100,000 by the weekend? Symptoms, Management, and Sanity
A couple of my friends posted that their kids have Influenza. One A, one B.
Yeah, I’m going to be a homebody as much as possible this week.
How is your SIL doing, DP? Come through surgery favorably – in the name of Jesus – we pray – Amen
Yes, she did. The physicians were worried about one spot, and it turned out to be non-malignant. A hernia was repaired which should help another issue. There’s a couple more things to be addressed, but they’re going to do that once she’s recovered.
She’ll be released sometime today.
Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!!!
Thanks for the update, DP! Prayer Warriors are thrilled with the good news!!!
Please go back to Marica’s Prayer Wall and post this update – it is encouraging for Prayer Warriors there and everywhere! Thanks!
I posted yesterday morning, actually.
Oh, good – Thanks!
I like this nurse’s approach.
I think she is a ‘fabulous patriot’, too! She is a Christian – and a fighter – common sense narrative – I just love her!
From the first I’ve heard of all of this, it sounded like if we kept up the usual routines, we’d be fine. I’ll step up some of the anti-viral wiping, but I swear I wash my hands twelve times a day. And neti pot daily, etc.
What’s driving me nuts now is the people at the grocery stores who don’t wipe down their carts. Every grocery store here provides wipes year round. Why would anyone not do that?
Dunno – people are either ignorant or just plain lazy – good recommendations fall on deaf ears – just common sense – ever since we were little – mom told us to ‘wash hands.’
Yesterday I was the only one at Costco with surgical cloves on. People looked at me funny. I pushed the card my husband put stuff in it. Anyway people put their little kids in the cards and not everyone changes diapers. I always have been funny cleaning and wiping the card.
My husband does not seem concerned but he should.
I bought a pack of 400 gloves at Costco should have bought more masks even if my husband calls me paranoid 🙂
She gives good advice. I use hand sanitizer every time I get in my vehicle after being in a place of business, but I’m going to have a soap-and-alcohol based cleanser to wipe off my phone and keys and anything else I’ve touched or that touched other surfaces while I was out, too. Those items are major germ collectors.
Most definitely, Truths! God Bless You for being conscientious!!!
Door jams, handles, switchplates, handle of the refrigerator, handle to flush a toilet, ignition keys for the car, drawer handles in the bathroom, shower doors.
MONEY
filthiest (germs) thing on the planet.
AMEN!
I have acidently left a $1 in my pockets and had it go thru the laundry and it did fine. 😋
Have to try it again with another $1 bill. And see how it goes.
😀
This is the biggest concern with California and the FECES problem:
Larry Ledwick says:
NOW LOOK AT THE SYMPTOMS OF THE FIRST USA CASE!
“First case of #2019nCoV infection in the US. Symptoms & Maximum Body Temperatures According to Day of Illness and Day of Hospitalization. The stool & both respiratory specimens later tested positive by rRT-PCR, whereas the serum remained negative” — Marc Gozlan @MarcGozlan
*https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From Germany:
*https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468
IMPORTANT!!!
Larry gives directions for a home made mask (3 layers of undershirt does a decent job per other discussions.)
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/ghe-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/#comment-123794
Larry and his site are becoming a new BFF ! 😀
just ab every comment over there is Bookmark-able.
Very true. They are a bunch of highly intelligent Techno nerds. When they start discussing computer hardware they completely lose me!
https://twitter.com/itsSweetThing/status/1224617124083138560
Washington Journal interview with Johns Hopkins Inglesby:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?468911-4/washington-journal-dr-tom-inglesby-discusses-coronavirus
Includes transcript.
http://www.chiefio.wordpress.com/
Has added another, new dedicated thread on the Wuhan Coronavirus.
BUT — it is well worth going back to the last prior thread and read the 3 and 4 February postings, first.
It appears that there now OVER 20,000 cases of the virus.
BELGIUM — first case
JAPAN — now 22 cases
HONG KONG — first death from the virus
THAILAND — 25
AUSTRALIA — 13
It appears that hand sanitizer is going out of stock. One commenter (a Brit) describes how to use inexpensive Eau de Cologne as a substitute.
It appears that the author of the thread is planning on the date of 18 FEBRUARY to avoid almost all contact with places like the grocery store / put off buying big ticket items like new tires / going to movies / etc.
It appears that more large spaces in Communist China are being turned into “instant hospitals”. Photo and footage from commenter “Corona virus (2019-nCoV-) watcher” show a large space outfitted with long rows of cots IN THE MANNER of the Great Spanish Flu Pandemic quarantines set up in the U.S — no barriers / walls between the rows.
It appears there is suspicion that the “thick fog” now hanging over WUHAN is coming from the ashes and smoke from the CREMATORIES that are being used to IMMEDIATELY burn the bodies of people dead from the virus. Question — are there still elements / particulates of the virus that could be in the ashes / smoke? Per commenter “MilAirAssets” with video)
It appears that the paper describing the findings of “insertions” of HIV-like spikes in the virus, is now debunked due to peer review questions. BUT — if that is the case, why then are doctors in THAILAND touting that using a “drug cocktail” that includes HIV drugs are helping?
It appears that supply chains for items produced in Communist China are starting to become impacted.
In my opinion — it may be a good idea to have the most basic / necessary supplies for the household gathered in during the next 2 weeks. Other preparedness steps probably should also be under discussion and being taken care of.
It appears that the paper describing the findings of “insertions” of HIV-like spikes in the virus, is now debunked due to peer review questions.
^^^ Wonder who outside of ChiCom sphere (commie China) is debunking the reports.
While I don’t know, my take is ChiCom weaponized this version of Corona. It’s ChiCom China we are talking about. ZERO reason to trust the bastards. Will be pleased to be wrong.
As I learned during the Farm Wars and the ‘Global Warming Wars’ The Scientific journals are now ‘compromised.’
http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Cartoon-Climate-change_grants.jpg
For example:
The ClimAstrologists got Dr. De Freitas fired from the journal and tried to get him fired from his university.
Wall Street Journal
I can give you lots of other links. of peer reviewed papers showing how bad the current state if science is:
How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research? A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Survey Data
*http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005738
Science Fraud: Highlighting Misconduct in Life Sciences Research
*http://www.science-fraud.org/
Scientific fraud and the power structure of science
*http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/92prom.html
US Scientists Significantly More Likely to Publish Fake Research, Study Finds
*http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101115210944.htm
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
*http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
Retraction Watch
*http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/
Top Science Scandals of 2011
*http://www.stemcellpioneers.com/showthread.php?t=5293
Scientific American – Dr. No Money: The Broken Science Funding System
*http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dr-no-money&page=2
Faked data that makes the headlines:
A Sharp Rise in Retractions Prompts Calls for Reform
*http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/science/rise-in-scientific-journal-retractions-prompts-calls-for-reform.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1334958458-PxivQM3BpvGZR636Xup/Qw&pagewanted=all&
Guardian UK: False positives: fraud and misconduct are threatening scientific research, High-profile cases and modern technology are putting scientific deceit under the microscope
*http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/sep/13/scientific-research-fraud-bad-practice
10 Scientific Frauds that Rocked the World.
*http://www.neatorama.com/2006/09/19/10scientific-frauds-that-rocked-the-world/
Fox News: Oops! 5 retracted science studies from 2012
*http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/12/30/oops-5-retracted-science-studies-2012/
Fox News: One in Seven Scientists Say Colleagues Fake Data
*http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/06/05/one-in-seven-scientists-say-colleagues-fake-data/
Telegraph UK: Scientist jailed for faking medicine test results
*http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10001149/Scientist-jailed-for-faking-medicine-test-results.html
Thank You, QTree, for sharing Steve Bannon’s Pandemic War Room…link + vid !
I am passing it along to others…
Bannon’s War Room…Episode 11 (latest)…listen to what Tom Price has to say ! (early on, in the vid)..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSq4HBI0-eM&t=624s
wow
What they’re saying about the Chinese placing blame on the U.S is very similar to what’s presented in the video from the Phillipines that Dora posted above.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I thought.
The USA gives $$$ in aid and grants and if something goes wrong the USA IS TO BLAME!
Just another reason to CUT ALL AID and KICK OUT THE UN! Without USA $$$ the UN collapses BTW.
August 2010 U.S. Funding of the United Nations Reaches All-Time High [First year Obama had control of the US $$$]
The guy is young and whisky/alcohol does have some anti-viral properties. However he should have tossed in some lemon juice. 😋
If he was 85 and Asian, I would be a lot more impressed.
https://twitter.com/99freemind/status/1224848183957839872?s=20
Polly needs to see these two articles. If somebody can reply to her with these links, it would be great.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2430448/Clinton-pays-tribute-brilliant-pregnant-Harvard-graduate-working-foundation-killed-Kenya-mall-massacre.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/bill-clinton-honors-harvard-grad-killed-kenya-article-1.1465909
Sent.
Been meaning to tell you. In WP, I now have a little paper clip icon + AMP on top left WP tool bar to the right of Reader. Never seen that before. If I click on it it takes me to a QTREE page with an Oops! that , can’t be found, then lists Recent posts for me to click on. On this page the icon+AMP disappears. When I select one of the posts, it appears again. They FIXED me.
Yes, I’ve seen that icon and didn’t do anything with it. I’ll look through my controls and see if it’s something I can get running properly. And yes – I think it’s new.
Glad your commenting is fixed. A few of the others are still getting SOME binning – we’ll keep working on it! 😀
PS – thanks for sending those links on!!!
https://twitter.com/CoronaVirusFlu/status/1224864392644366337?s=20
Doesn’t that make it a floating Petri dish? Doesn’t say if they’re making people stay in cabins or not. If they let them mingle, they’ll all wind up infected. There’s another cruise ship off Hong Kong in same situation.
Daily update from Singapore Straits Times… IIRC, new cases in China appear to continue up, exponentially…
FTA
BEIJING (AFP, REUTERS) – The number of confirmed deaths from China’s coronavirus outbreak rose to at least 490, after authorities in Hubei province reported 65 new fatalities on Wednesday (Feb 5).
In its daily update, figures from … Hubei, …showed a jump in confirmed infections with 3,156 new cases, taking the total in the province to 16,678. The death toll in the province is now 479.
That puts the national total at more than 24,324, based on numbers previously issued by the central government.
In Hubei’s capital city of Wuhan, where the virus first originated, a total of 362 people have now died from the virus. New confirmed cases in Wuhan surged by 1,967 on Tuesday, up from 1,242 on Monday.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinas-hubei-province-epicentre-of-outbreak-reports-65-new-deaths-on-feb
Excellent short discussion on mortality rate. For WuFlu, probably significantly higher than 2%, with a number of unknowns in the discussion.
Much more info at the blog location – “https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ewi8r4/how_is_mortality_rate_being_calculated/”
Yep.
It’s all ChiCom propaganda for Chinese. ChiCom death toll has nothing to do with reality. The entire global community, short of China knows this.
Absolutely believe ChiComs are computing Corona deaths with any mathematical formula. Nothing logical. Rather ChiComs simply make up a number.
Actually the Chinese are good at math. They have the SARS numbers so I think they are using THAT statistical profile to make the numbers look realistic. This means it is much harder to catch them cheating.
From Larry Ledwick:
Nice semi log plot of cases vs time
Absolutely. No intent to slam Chinese math abilities.
Intent is slam ChiCom honsety.
Kalb,
I just wanted people to be aware that the Chinese would make sure their lie was plausible. And that this makes determining IF they are lying all that much harder.
Another good reddit presentation of WuFlu info –
“https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/exe552/coronavirus_faq_misconceptions_information_from_a/”
Not whining. Suggestion. Can this thread get bumped up a ways…closer to the top?
Certainly not to to eclipse so much great news…Daily, Flep, Acquital, Prayer Breakfast… Wow;-) So many great things going on. Great times that we have a front row seat on.
Mechanics of WP may not allow my suggestion.
I agree………..having to hunt around for it sucks.
It’s PERMANENTLY in the sidebar now as a key post – easy to find.
Thank you Wolfie! 😘😘😘😘
I thought Wolfie said he pinned it last night.
I just keep a tab open or use [ctrl][h] to get my recent history on the computer. You can do a [ctrl][f] for finding ‘coronavirus’
It’s PERMANENTLY in the sidebar now as a key post – easy to find.
Thank you!
John’s Hopkins dashboard numbers at link below.
Looks like 219 cases outside China. Two deaths. One in each Hong Kong and Philippines.
China admits to 24,611 cases.
*https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Updating at the top, thank you, Kalbo!
Larry and Simon show WHY ‘PREPPING’ is important. The idea is NOT to overload the healthcare system by limiting exposure and thus changing the exponential. Remember one of the RO was 4. That is one person infects 4 others. At this point with CHINA LYING and the crowded conditions in China we have no idea of WHAT the real RO is.
From Larry Feb 1
Notice the TOP LINE DAYS IN HOSPITAL = 11 <— CRITICAL POINT
Simon says:
Larry then shows the progress of illnesses over time:
The chart is long so view it there.
It goes from ONE CASE on day one
…….to
TWENTY on day fourteen
…….to
635 at one month
…….to
402,996 at two months
>>>>>>
THAT is what President Trump is trying to prevent.
REMEMBER if hospitals are over loaded the elderly, who are MOST AT RISK, will be sent to hospice to die. THEY WILL NOT BE TREATED!
For those over 70, many procedures are now on the do not prescribe list thanks to Obummercare. Hubby is already running into this and so have I. “Oh you are too old for that procedure” …OR…. “There is a test I would like to prescribe but you are over 70 so I can’t” A government bureaucrat DECIDES NOT YOUR DOCTOR!
I wish I had kept a copy, but before Obamacare was passed, there was an article on triage in case of a major emergency. I do remember the elderly would be the last to be treated. (Of the least use to society aka ‘useless eaters.’)
….
January 9, 2020 Boston emergency rooms are overflowing with flu patients, doctors say
“…The flu is hitting Massachusetts hard, according to federal health authorities, and swamped emergency room doctors are asking influenza patients to see their own physicians before coming in….”
The UK shows what we would see in the USA with Obamacare Bureaucrats running our hospitals.
Good stuff.
BTW, IMO, need to be treated for this stuff in their homes. Hospitals are going to simply turn into contagion zones.
AMEN Wolfie!
That is why I keep posting health/vitamin stuff.
1. Limit your exposure, make sure your immune system is a peak health and do everything you can to mitigate the underlying causes of chronic inflammation.
BTW you can get an finger tip oxygen reader.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Oxygen-Meter/39811975
When I had the pneumonia/asthma episode last year the nurse practitioner suggested I buy one.
This is something VERY interesting from Reddit.
Dramatic fall in the number of network attacks originating from China
Source: https://cybermap.kaspersky.com/stats/#country=137&type=ids&period=m
….
Luna New Year holiday??? Or the Corona virus?
Ya’ know, this is what happens when you can’t go to work for the CCP.
Another interesting bit of information from Patriot Nurse: *
At ~ 2 minute mark she mentions underlying conditions: Type I & II diabetes, High blood pressure and cardiovascular problems. She says those are chronic inflammation and therefore are more at risk from the Chorona virus. (Asthma is also chronic inflammation.)
Science News: Why Cannabis Stems Inflammation
And also this:
Anti-inflammatory Properties of Vitamin B12
Apart from the important role that vitamin B12 plays in the functioning of the brain and nervous system and in red blood cell production, vitamin B12 also has an important role in the control of inflammation. Vitamin B12 deficiency has been implicated in several inflammatory diseases such as dementia, Alzheimer’s Disease, neuritis, multiple sclerosis and Parkinson’s disease. In addition it has also been found that administration of high doses of vitamin B12 may be beneficial in the treatment of chronic inflammatory conditions such as atopic dermatitis, eczema, psoriasis, osteoarthritis, diabetic neuropathy, fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. There is also evidence that vitamin B12 has potential use in the treatment of chronic pain…..
Wisconsin Confirms First Case of Coronavirus, 12th Overall in US
The 12th U.S. case of coronavirus, a mysterious new virus that has triggered lockdowns across China, was confirmed in Wisconsin by state health officials on Wednesday.
The Wisconsin Department of Homeland Security said the latest patient came into contact with the virus while they were traveling in mainland China within the past two weeks. According to health officials, the Wisconsin patient is in isolation, reported NBC26 and Fox6.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/wisconsin-confirms-first-case-of-coronavirus-12th-overall-in-us_3228584.html
From Larry: “… an unintentional leak of real casualty data or a coding blip?”
From Taiwan News, Febuary 5, 2020
Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths
“Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus”
Those numbers ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ certainly would explain the Communist government’s panic as illustrated by it’s handling of the virus outbreak.
As Hubby said this is how the true scientists allow the truth to leak out. Remember the DOCTORS who leaked the videos of bodies stacked in the halls were arrested.
That’s the one I referenced up top. Thanks, Gail.
If those are the real numbers… YIKES!!!
As the guy from Russia said this is China’s Chernobyl. Unfortunately it will have a much bigger impact of the global economy than Russia’s ‘Karma’ did.
E.M. Did a bit of math on the number of deaths expected.
Keep that in mind when assessing “extreme” measures to stop the spread.
^^^ AND, IF I may suggest. Above moar reason to prep NOW. BEFORE corona gets in USA in a big bad way. Better to prep a couple weeks early, than TRY ten minutes too late. As Walmart AND all stores are swamped.
As mentioned in an earlier post, others have echoed, most everything purchased to prep, IS used sooner or later. Little to no waste.
My selfish goal for my family and I, perhaps others, is to NEVER catch Corona. THEN HOPE medical is AVAILABLE to SAVE my family, including this old geezer 😉
REALLY, REALLY NOT interested in being culled out in triage. No I am not jumping off a cliff. NEVER plan to get near the cliff.
Prepping is NOT EXTREME or UNWARRANTED. Ten years ago when I slowly started gathering stuff, a “Corona like” drill was NOT on my radar.
Kalbs,
It makes sense to stock up NOW because we do not KNOW what the situation in China will do to the supply chain for various items.
Thanks goodness I just cleaned my old freezer and I got a new freezer. I am stocking the freezers, we are butchering the big ram and I am clearing out one of the storage sheds for use as a can goods/paper goods storage area.
Hubby is still dragging his feet but is finally getting on board. Now if I could only convince him to get a 3 month supply of the medication he needs. So far he will not even talk to his doctor about it. 🙄
100% gotta be ready.
IF crap hits the fan, there will be a run on pharmacies. Me thinks. Rather positive pharmacies operate on, just in time resupply based on historic use.
Suggestion. IF there are refills on hubby’s prescription, try to get next refill soon. Explain he is going on extended road trip across the states. My guess is they’ll fill it. Granted he isn’t going on an extended road trip, but pharmacy doesn’t know.
FWIW, I have needed to do this twice with vacations to Philippines. AND, merchant mariner son does this to get six month supply when leaving for a ship.
Fully understand hubby not wanting to see quacks… Me too. May be a guy thing 😉
Larry has another goody. (more in the YIKES department)
Remember the RO of four means one person infects four others and those four infect 4×4 = 16 and those 16 infect 16*4 = 64. That is why it is a log plot and not linear.
Larry posted this chart too:
I have seen this before, Canadian News reported it, but I wanted to post it again. H/T to E.M.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3869848
OH JOY! Another ‘chickenpox’ that then can come back as shingles later in life, or Mono. (Both of which I have had)
Mayo Clinic: The Epstein-Barr virus, or EBV, responsible for mononucleosis lies dormant in patients who were previously infected with it, and this virus reactivates periodically with no symptoms unless the patient’s immune system is in a weakened state.”
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Discussion at E.M’s that links are disappearing…
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/04/4-feb-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/#comment-124157
Larry adds this OH SHIFF!:
DARN! Another one of Larry’s OH SHIFF!
Daughn you might want to put it at the top of the page.
ohhh wow
28 days!!!!!!!!!
you’re right, moving to the top
thank you!
Your welcome. I also posted on open thread.
If you think we need to re-post at the top, periodically, we can do that, too. Or a new update at any time.
I’m not trying to hide this thing by putting it in the sidebar, but I don’t want people to just zone out on it, either. Maybe featuring it once or twice a week is about right.
Sidebar is preferred for now.
They get so many comments they become unwieldy.
I’m not trying to hide this thing by putting it in the sidebar, but I don’t want people to just zone out on it, either. Maybe featuring it once or twice a week is about right.
^^^ Guy in right field likes the side bar. We know where it is. AND, rolling up once or twice a week helps folks maintain basic awareness. AND not dwell on Corona too much as you indicate.
Thankfully Corona has NOT exploded outside of China.
I’m going to drop this here so everyone can take a look at it. I just saw this this morning, haven’t watched the whole thing but it may disappear so. It this turns out to not be credible I apologize …
.. 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸 …
Numbers 6:24-26 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
24 The Lord bless thee, and keep thee.
25 The Lord shew his face to thee, and have mercy on thee.
26 The Lord turn his countenance to thee, and give thee peace.
Bronze statue of Michael the Archangel, the top statue of Castle of the Holy Angel or Castle Saint Angel in Rome, Italy
2 Kings 6:16-23 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 Elisha said, “Don’t be afraid. The army that fights for us is larger than the army that fights for Aram.”
17 Then Elisha prayed and said, “Lord, I ask you, open my servant’s eyes so that he can see.”
The Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and the servant saw the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire. They were all around Elisha.
18 These horses and chariots of fire came down to Elisha. He prayed to the Lord and said, “I pray that you will cause these people to become blind.”
So God did what Elisha asked. He caused the Aramean army to become blind. 19 Elisha said to the Aramean army, “This is not the right way. This is not the right city. Follow me. I will lead you to the man you are looking for.” Then Elisha led them to Samaria.[a]
20 When they arrived at Samaria, Elisha said, “Lord, open the eyes of these men so that they can see.”
Then the Lord opened their eyes, and the Aramean army saw they were in the city of Samaria! 21 The king of Israel saw the Aramean army and said to Elisha, “My father, should I kill them? Should I kill them?”
22 Elisha answered, “No, don’t kill them. They are not soldiers you captured in battle. Give them some bread and water. Let them eat and drink. Then let them go home to their leader.”
23 So the king prepared a big meal for the Aramean army. After they ate and drank, he sent them back home to their leader. The Arameans did not send any more soldiers into the land of Israel to make raids.
… ❤️🙏🏼❤️ …
Singapore Straits Times today… FWIW. Web page indicates published two hours ago. Updated one minute ago.
Below ChiCom numbers. Surely low balled.
FTA
BEIJING/SHANGHAI (AFP, REUTERS, XINHUA) – …confirmed fatalities from China’s coronavirus outbreak rose to more than 560 after …73 people on the mainland died on Wednesday …on Thursday (Feb 6).
…total death toll stood at 563. Another 3,694 coronavirus cases were reported … Wednesday, bringing the total to 28,018.
… Thursday,…Hubei province reported 70 new deaths.
…Hubei also confirmed another 2,987 new cases, with the total number of cases in the province at 19,665.
… 1,153 patients infected with the virus had been discharged from hospital after recovery by the end of Wednesday, … … 261 people walked out of the hospital after recovery on Wednesday.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinas-hubei-province-reports-70-new-deaths
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SO, slow guy wonders, ASSUMING folks that walked out having recovered, they go home? With other folks that may be infected? Are the “recovered” immune for relapse or otherwise being infected again?
“….Are the “recovered” immune for relapse or otherwise being infected again?….”
It is a virus. Viruses mutate. That is why we get the flu and colds again and again. HOWEVER chances are you will have some immunity and only get a mild case.
The other problem is the “Typhoid Mary” carrier problem.
There is lots of good advice here, but I don’t know how many people would be able to remove their clothing before entering the house, and showering immediately. (Or picture an apartment stairwell that opens to a hallway with several doors! Or freezing temperatures, etc.) It requires planning and takes time, and then that clothing has to be somehow transported and washed. I’m picturing people returning from work (where they have been exposed all day to who knows what), with family members to take care of (spouse, children, possibly even parents or others). I think it would be next to impossible for everyone to follow the guidelines to the letter and still be able to function.
I thought about this while running errands yesterday. I have a soap/alcohol solution in my car, which I use to wipe off everything (hands, steering wheel, keys, etc.), but what about the outer door handle, which I touch every time after being exposed? I touch it, then get in and wipe off everything else, then get out and wipe it off? What about my clothing and shoes and the seat of the car, which my clothing has touched? It seems like a never-ending cycle of trying to clean every single thing that we touch and use.
If you are in an apartment, or in a city, there really isn’t much you can do since you are going to be in close proximity to others. This is the major problem that China has.
So you do what you can to keep the virus load to a minimum. If you can, have a kitty litter tray with water and bleach to step into when you get home to disinfect the soles of your shoes. If possible have a place to disrobe just as you enter the house or a way to walk to the laundry area without brushing against anything.
The biggest thing is to keep contact with other people to a minimum if you can. This is tough for working age people but they are not as ‘at risk’ as older retirees.
I have posted some of the information on keeping your immune system in good shape so look at that information.
Try to stock up on food and such so you do not have to make the weekly shopping trips. If you do have to shop, go at off hours. Walmart for example is 24/7 so try to shop in the middle of the night.
I posted this on the open thread too.
Looks like the China-virus was a lab escapee.
They took down this article, Coronavirus Exposed, Part 1: Communist Coverup, or Pandemic Bioweapon of Mass Destruction? but luckily the Wayback had already captured it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200203110836/https://medium.com/@realAdrianBond/coronavirus-exposed-part-1-communist-coverup-or-pandemic-bioweapon-of-mass-destruction-229ad482c0d3
Now there is a new article.
NEW ARTICLE: On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China
James Lyons-Weiler, PhD – 1/30/2020
OK, things are getting really really nasty in China. 😱
#1. the end of the paper above:
#2. Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths
#3 from Larry, keeping in mind the above information
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1225180216223588352
#4. And finally from Mike at Natural News:
BRUTAL: Chinese Leaders to Sacrifice Coronavirus-Infected Cities to Save 11 Others; Prepared to Accept Millions of Fatalities
☝🏾
That article by Mike plus the slipped real fatality numbers plus the welding of gates and doors, indicates the first article by James Lyons-Weiler, PhD is probably correct. China has a major disaster on it’s hands.
Perhaps I missed something big above. IF I got the gist correct, O M G on STEROIDS!
IF ^^^ true, speechless to describe the inhumanity of ChiComs. IF ^^^ true, certainly President Trump knows. We’ll be informed at the right time.
Last line above. “China has a major disaster on it’s hands.”
^^^ Perhaps an understatement? s/sarc
IF true, crimes against humanity on scale we have NEVER seen. On a scale I have never contemplated… such above scenario.
Someone tell me I misread above. I do realize all i above post has not been confirmed. But, I already believe much of it.
From your linked article above, a link to the DOJ’s indictments of a Harvard chair, a CCP military spy posing as a researcher, and another Chinese researcher smuggling biological material. Date of the indictment is 1/28/20. CCP military spy is in China, despite being stopped, questioned, and had computer searched by federal agents.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
Harvard chair connected to Wuhan…
Yes lots of bits and pieces, much of it not confirmed but if true the picture is nasty.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7939407/Harvard-professor-charged-hiding-China-ties.html
Harvard chair of chemistry. Nano scientist. This is huge.
Smuggling biological material has been happening for a long time. Here’s a researcher busted in 2002.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/02/bacteria.smuggle/index.html
More on Dr Charles Lieber
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/02/01/an-american-chemist-is-suspected-of-illegal-dealings-with-china
Just a hunch, that the investigation of Hunter Bidens technology company transfer may be related. The company was involved in technology for vibration control. IIR, vibration control is an important component in the design of nanotechnology labs.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/01/29/harvards-chemistry-dept-chairman-in-fbi-custody
And the FBI affidavit: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1239796/download
…”Specifically, based upon the evidence gathered thus far in this
ongoing investigation, I have probable cause to believe and do, in fact, believe that LIEBER made
materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements regarding his participation in China’s
Thousand Talents Plan to the U.S. Department of Defense (“DoD”) on or about April 24, 2018. I
also have probable cause to believe and do, in fact, believe that, on or about January 10, 2019,
LIEBER made and caused to be made a series of materially false, fictitious and fraudulent
statements to the National Institutes of Health (“NIH”) about his involvement in the Thousand
Talents Plan and his affiliation with Wuhan University of Technology (“WUT”) in China. “…
…”Based on the evidence gathered to date, LIEBER was a “Strategic Scientist” at
WUT and a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan for significant periods
between at least 2012 and 2017. The terms of LIEBER’s Thousand Talents contract called for
LIEBER to be paid up to $50,000 per month in salary and approximately $150,000 per year for
living and personal expenses by WUT. LIEBER was also awarded more than $1.5 million by
WUT and the Chinese government to establish a research lab and conduct research at WUT. “…
…”At all times relevant to this complaint, LIEBER served as the Principal Investigator
of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University. According to its website, the Lieber Research
Group “is focused broadly on science and technology at the nanoscale, using novel synthesized
building blocks to push scientific boundaries in diverse areas from biology/medicine to energy and
computing.” The Lieber Research Group’s website identifies its principal sponsors as NIH and
DoD, including the Office of Naval Research (“ONR”) and the Air Force Office of Scientific
Research (“AFOSR”). Based upon records maintained by NIH, DoD, and Harvard University, I
know that the Lieber Research Group has received more than $15,000,000 in grant funding from
NIH and DoD since 2008. “…
And this on the Epstein connection: https://rielpolitik.com/2020/02/05/cover-up-strange-bedfellows-wuhan-coronavirus-harvard-university-jeffrey-epstein/
..” “…In the last 24 hours, a colleague of Dr. Church and Dr. Nowak, Dr. Charles Lieber, Professor and Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested and criminally charged over a contract he made with a foreign university. Where? In Wuhan, China. As a side note, it’s worth pointing out to those unaware that all three of these people are some of the highest-ranking academic officials at Harvard and are revolutionary scientists in their respective fields”
WUHAN AND HARVARD… AND JEFFREY – By Joseph P. Farrell Ph.D”…
WUT (Lieber’s secret lab) and the Wuhan Institute of Virology are about 2-3 miles apart
nikkichico7.514201,114.3652733,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x772a6a3b563568b8!8m2!3d30.5391907!4d114.3508537
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wuhan+Institute+of+Virology,+CAS/
These are valuable posts…I’m afraid they may not have reached a large enough audience due to busy Thursday.
Please feel free to share.
BRIAN KOLFAGE, wounded vet and founder of WeBuildTheWall is tweeting news and videos from Wuhan: *
Tweets by BrianKolfage
Those videos sure add credence to the WuFlu is wildly out of control in China position!
Whether this is a total disaster for China or not, the situation in China bears close attention, realizing, of course, that data we’re getting from the Chinese may be severely under reported.
What may be much more important to us is the spreading and death rates of pockets of WuFlu that may occur in developed countries with medically astute virus control procedures, noting most closely the data with respect to European and African (non-Asian) populations and, individually, non-Asian patients.
I do not want their vaccines. I don’t trust them, and evidence posted by Gail Combs indicates that those who took the SARS vaccine have lowered immunity to other viral infections.
I’ve seen pressure from the medical establishment to take every vadcine known to man for the good of society. (An infant got whooping cough from an unvaccinated person, etc.) That is unfortunate and not something I want to happen, of course, but I don’t want to be a guinea pig for the globalists — or their intentional victim.
Each person has their own internal milieu that could cause them to react negatively to these vaccines. People have died or have been made gravely ill, sometimes incurably. I can envision a scenario where people are told they have to take the vaccines to stop these global outbreaks. One world — for the good of mankind — line up like sheep for a cocktail you know nothing about and whose makers you cannot trust.
Excellent fucking point. Something very nasty is going on here.
Excuse my French. This is the FIRST TIME I’ve actually doubted taking a vaccine. Something is very wrong here. This whole thing is bullshit.
No problem! These are desperate times.
Other locations to watch, as worst case examples in a medically advanced Asian country, would be the virus infection and death rates in Japan, Singapore, Thailand and Hong Kong.
BakoCarl, good point.
You know, I just read about the cruise ship in Japan last night. They’ve isolated the ship, 20 people are infected.
Situation is BAD, yes for sure, BUT it might give medical professionals the perfect controlled subset they need to test RO virulence and morbidity.
Does not look like anyone is getting a straight answer out of China.
What is happening in Japan might give us out best chance.
Chris Martenson has a Phd in pathology from Duke Univ. in his video mentions of the 10 at that time, the age range was 50 yrs to 80 yrs.
Japan, Singapore, Thailand and Hong Kong.
Agree.
AND, if we remove Thailand, huge management issue in Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong.
– Population density through the roof.
Japan and Singapore should be able to manage wisely.
Hong Kong, so long as they shirk ChiCom overbearing influence, they’ll be OK.
Japan, Singapore, Thailand, and Hong Kong have cases of the Wuhan Coronavirus.
An infected person in Hong Kong has already died.
Yea. Hong Kong has 24 cases, based on John’s Hopkins.
– A few days ago, I read there was still one border crossing open between China and Hong Kong.
– And I suppose aircraft and ships transiting between them.
He was only 34 years old.
At this point, the Communist Chinese government has locked down / quarantined well over 11 Million of its people.
One can look at this in two ways:
One, Beijing is doing this as an overabundance of caution / looking to save face / trying to convince the rest of the world that they’re serious about stopping the spread of infection beyond the “official figure” of 28,000+ in their country. OR
Two, Beijing had its hand forced due to MANY THOUSANDS of infected persons and THOUSANDS of deaths, in complete contradiction to the “official figures” that are available — and got concerned that somebody would blow the whistle on their deliberate downplaying of the truth.
My opinion: it’s Two. Beijing is actually perfectly OK with the ACTUAL numbers of infection and deaths as long as the disaster can somehow be confined to the current provinces involved. It is well to remember that human life is cheap to Beijing — and this is not a recent concept: it was around for centuries in Old China.
Infectious disease expert says we’re ‘ill-prepared’ for coronavirus
University of Minnesota Professor Michael Osterholm says quarantines aren’t going to save the U.S. from a coronavirus outbreak.
MINNEAPOLIS — With twelve cases of novel coronavirus now confirmed in six different states and another 76 cases under investigation, an infectious disease expert with the University of Minnesota says he doesn’t believe quarantines are going to stop what’s coming.
“What we think will happen over the next several weeks, will be more and more cases will begin to show up that have no obvious contact back to China,” said Michael Osterholm, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “This virus is very much following a transmission model that we see with influenza. Nobody talks about trying to stop seasonal influenza each year. At the very most, we might slow (coronavirus) down just a little bit, nothing that’s going to give us a great advantage in terms of vaccines or drugs.”
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/health/infectious-disease-expert-says-were-ill-prepared-for-coronavirus/89-0d9d99c5-24f7-4128-ae9a-6687f9a138dd
The name of the game at this point IS TO SLOW IT DOWN so our hospitals are not swamped.
I am really starting to thing this was fucking intentional to control planetary population.
Coronavirus: community outbreak declared in Hong Kong as government prepares to quarantine mainland Chinese entering city in hotels and other facilities
February 6, 2020 by Jack Maxey
A top microbiologist has declared a community outbreak of the deadly coronavirus in Hong Kong as a government adviser revealed mainland Chinese entering the city could be quarantined in hotels or public facilities under compulsory restrictions taking effect on Saturday.
The dreaded confirmation of a local spread came a day after the government said all travelers from the mainland, including Hong Kong residents, would be placed on a mandatory 14-day quarantine as part of its escalated response to the contagion.
https://pandemic.warroom.org/coronavirus-community-outbreak-declared-in-hong-kong-as-government-prepares-to-quarantine-mainland-chinese-entering-city-in-hotels-and-other-facilities/
From Larry…
“This has some concerning ramifications.”
Shocking events continue in #China 5.1 strong tremor was recorded at 00:05 (local time) in the regions of Qingbaijiang Chengdu Sichuan. Although people are quarantined they took to the streets Big fire in Putian, Fujian after the powerful earthquake — Larry
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Seems China has had more than one earthquake recently.
The above website has a map with the locations.
Singapore Straits Times…ChiCom official numbers…. 31,000+ infected. 4,800+ serious condition. Death toll 636+.
FTA
Coronavirus: China’s death toll rises to 636, total number of cases nationwide exceeds 31,000
BEIJING (AFP, REUTERS, XINHUA) – The official Chinese death toll from the coronavirus outbreak rose on Friday (Feb 7) to 636, with the government saying total infections had climbed past 31,000.
The toll was raised by 73 new deaths from the epidemic, the National Health Commission said in its daily update. Out of the total rise in the toll, central Hubei province – epicentre of the outbreak – reported 69 deaths, including 64 in the provincial capital Wuhan.
Another 3,143 new cases of infection were confirmed, bringing total infections in the country thus far to 31,161, it said. More than 4,800 of those people were in serious condition.
The majority of the infections were in Hubei province, which confirmed another 2,447 new cases, taking its total to 22,112.
A total of 1,540 patients infected with the virus across the country had been discharged from hospital after recovery by the end of Thursday, it said. Those discharged included 387 people who walked out of hospitals after recovery on Thursday.
FWIW
https://twitter.com/JonahofNinevah/status/1225630896310669312?s=20
https://twitter.com/JonahofNinevah/status/1225632365160140800?s=20
I think the common understanding of mortality rate for the flu would be what percentage of people, after catching the flu and either dying or recovering, actually died. So if a group of 100 people get the flu, then after the flu has run its course with them, 2 are dead, then the mortality rate is 2%. That’s simple enough.
But then there are other ways to calculate a mortality rate that does not have this simple understanding. The present method divides the number of people that have died from the flu by the total number of people that have been infected. Many of those are in the process of dying.
So, let’s make a few assumptions that will illustrate that the actual mortality rate is probably significantly higher.
The median incubation period for 2019-nCoV is 5.2 days. Reference: (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1).
Let’s assume it is always exactly 5.2 days.
I read a timeline (don’t have the cite right now) that described a typical course for the flu. A typical patient has the flu for a week, and then the fever may break, and he is most likely on the road to recovery. If the fever doesn’t break after a week or gets worse, then the patient is on a rapid road to death unless extraordinary measures are taken for life support.
So let’s assume the first week of sickness and fever is exactly one week for all patients. Then let’s assume that if the patient dies, he will die in the next 1.8 days.
We’ll use as our patient population for our mortality calculations the total number of people infected no later than the time of infection of the last patient that died in our group of patients of interest. Oooh! Headache.
Here we go.
According to the 2/6 data, there are 638 recorded deaths. Let’s assume #638 just died, so he was infected 5.2 + 7 + 1.8 days ago, or 14 days ago. Our patient population then, is the total number infected as of 14 days ago.
If we count back from the present on the Total Confirmed Cases graph (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6), 14 days, we land on 1/23, when the total number infected was 916 in China and 25 in other locations for a total of 941 confirmed cases.
638 recorded deaths divided by 941 total confirmed cases results in a mortality rate of 67.8%.
Now, my assumptions result only in an estimate, and there are other large considerations (e.g., infections and deaths not reported or recorded, actual deaths counted from patients infected less than 14 days ago), so I’m not saying the mortality rate is 67.8%.
This is just an example to show how the present method of calculating the mortality rate by the total current deaths divided by the total confirmed cases, or 638 / 31,396 = 2.03%, is probably much too low.
If you are so inclined, please critique this, but . . . be nice!
As time goes on, the total number who have ever died in the outbreak over to total number who were ever infected approaches the ideal value of “how many out of a set group”. But during the time when the number of cases LEADS the number of deaths due to exponential rise, time hides the eventual number of dead among the living in the current cases.
Thus, I tend to think you’re right that the simplistic numbers we’ve gotten from “instantaneous total versus instantaneous total” are hiding the true lethality, but by the same token I think that simply counting back for the starting number of cases is oversimplified, too.
The real number is still “some cases at some time and watch those cases to their end.
5 to 7 day incubation period
”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.” – Larry L.
So you are looking at about 3 weeks from infected to death…
”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.” – Larry L.
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Wolfie,
I told Daughn I am working on a preparation for China-virus article. I am about 1/2 way done.
I have the data gathered and am now trying to organize it without going cross eyed.
Should be done for Sunday. (I have to work today)
Good!!!
GRRRRRRRRrrrrr
Libra office is messing with the copy function!
Instead of the repeated quote…
Normal human body temperature range is typically stated as 36.5–37.5 °C
Notice he was still coughing and infectious and NOT yet out of the hospital. Also he recovered.
This long hospital stay is the major problem. We are not set up for it. For example one of the CHIEFIO guys said he had a heart valve replaced and was in and out of the hospital over night!
Is there a record of the daily total cases, deaths, recovery?
I never thought to keep up with that.
I’ve only found the JHU dashboard for historical daily data, and that only shows infections.
I’m encouraged by the response of US officials and by the fact that of the 12 patients in the US – all have traveled to China, only one, a close relative, was a secondary infection.
So far no spread from there. Very very encouraging.
POTUS acted fast and without regard for the China-controlled WHO. THIS IS KEY.
People are wearing masks, but what about the animals and the vegetation?
https://twitter.com/fiteray/status/1225336406794358784
From Larry, 1 February 2020:
If this proves to be true we have a problem Houston.
Ron [of 8-KUN]
@CodeMonkeyZ
6 minutes ago
The New England Journal of Medicine says that 2019 novel corona virus stays with you and you remain a carrier even after you are recovered and no longer showing symptoms.
https://twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1223446616381644801
Hope you see this post.
I thought we talked last night and you had compiled notes for a larger post on Coronavirus, wanting to put it in a thread so we would not lose it all.
I responded that I was happy to do it or Wolfie could do it if you wanted him. You’ve been so valuable on this subject. We all appreciate your work.
Either way, cool with me.
Here’s the problem. I fell asleep, HARD, slept for almost 12 hours, after that real or imagined post.
Can’t find any trace of that post now.
Was I dreaming?
Daughn, I do recall seeing that post. (your memory is not failing 😉 But don’t recall the thread. I assume here, but could have been daily. I think it replied to a Wolf post.
😉
At least I’m not crazy.
It was in the 20200206: High Noon, President Trump Speech on His Acquittal article.
I am still working on it Daughn.
I have all the data gathered and I am now organizing it. Should be ready to go by Sunday. (I have to work today.)
Gail, I am looking for you!
Trying to settle my own curiosity, cuz now I’m bugged about it.
Hope you see this post.
I thought we talked last night and you had compiled notes for a larger post on Coronavirus, wanting to put it in a thread so we would not lose it all.
I responded that I was happy to do it or Wolfie could do it if you wanted him. You’ve been so valuable on this subject. We all appreciate your work.
Either way, cool with me.
Here’s the problem. I fell asleep, HARD, slept for almost 12 hours, after that real or imagined post.
Can’t find any trace of that post now.
Was I dreaming?
No, you weren’t dreaming – I saw it either last night or this morning. Perked my ears up. Gail must still be working on it – making it extra effective.
Thank heavens, I was working on the update for the thread and fell sound asleep. HARD, woke up still in a fog, and wasn’t sure.
Quarantined Japanese cruise ship now reporting 61 confirmed cases. F&F interviewed American couple on ship – food and water supplies dwindling, reusing thermometers. NO WAY am I believing China reporting a meager increase of 3,000 cases from yesterday, At the same time finally agreeing to let the WHO and US in to help! CHINA IS IN MAJOR TROUBLE!!!! And NO WAY am I believing North Korea has ZERO infections!!! NOPE, NOPE, NOPE!!! Change my mind…..
Supplies running low on the cruise ship is nuts. IIRC, ship is pier side. Easy to lift supplies on board via crane.
Even if it at anchor. Crane on a barge with forklifts and handlers also on barge. Have loaded many a Navy ship with ordnance at anchor – Yokosuka, JA. Used to do this a couple time each week. Japanese know how to do this. Tokyo Bay is one of the busiest in the world. HUGE ports inside that bay.
Exactly
BREAKING: Japan reports 41 new cases of coronavirus on cruise ship near Tokyo, raising ship’s total to 61.
*https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f02at8/breaking_japan_reports_41_new_cases_of/*
Soory – didn’t know that would happen.
Cruise ships are a nightmare scenario. By the definition of quarantine, they are all locked up together, so I don’t see how they can escape getting infected. And people who had expected to be away from home for a specified period of time are now in absence indefinitely. They have to worry about bills and pets (and possibly children!) that were left at home, work and school schedules, etc. But health is paramount, of course.
The Taiwanese government just sent an emergency alert to all phones (we have this system mostly for earthquakes) saying if you’ve been to this area on 1/31 you need to monitor your health. They try to trace down someone (likely tourist) who was infected but it literally includes half of Taipei.
*https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f09jer/the_taiwanese_government_just_sent_an_emergency/*
Singapore reports 3 new cases with no links to previous cases – community spread?
straitstimes.com/singap…
NorthernLeaf
Damn… we’re fucked now.
If Singapore can’t stop this from spreading, I don’t see many other countries having success either.
kkie
Not necessarily. We are a hub with a lot of links to China – tourism, meetings, conferences etc. Many Chinese nationals work here and some Singaporeans have family ties to China as well. There are tons of inroads for the virus. These factors may not apply to other countries.
bil3777
The bigger issue is that if it’s spreading easily in a very warm climate, we can’t expect it to slow in the spring (when all those exponential models level off).
Lmaoakai
Yep. We are really fucked. Being such a small country and we can’t stop it. Malaysia alone is a goner.
*https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f08f2u/singapore_reports_3_new_cases_with_no_links_to/*
Virus is mutating.
On the positive side. Singapore has world class medical care. Disciplined society. Clean. Government heavy handed…honest.
Lived in Singapore 92-95. Visited a few times since. From what I’ve seen, Singapore takes care of its citizens for the better of the “whole”.
– I think this bodes well for their success against Corona. That is, comparatively to other countries, over the longer term battle against Corona.
Downside, high density population. Singapore Island is roughly 50 sq mil with ~20 million population.
From the ChiefIO site:
I second that thank Q!
This explains why Larry has such a high level of expertise. I mentioned before he worked at NORAD.
I read (cite?) that the WuFlu virus latches on to ACE-2 protein receptors in our lungs. Also, that people of Asia heritage have 5 times (2.5%) more of the ACE-2 receptors than people of European or African heritage (0.47#).
I never read a clear specific impact statement, but it seems to me that would equate to the WuFlu being less communicable to European/African people, and also that the case of the flu would be less severe. If true, it’d be good to monitor the spread of the flu and the deaths in European/African nations.
We’ll see.
That’s (0.47%) not (0.47#).
That is very interesting, Carl – and the map and numbers certainly would indicate an increased vulnerability for Asians.
2 LINKS:
Forum discussion:
Research study – https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
“The result indicates that the ACE2 virus receptor expression is concentrated in a small population of type II alveolar cells (AT2). Surprisingly, we found that this population of ACE2-expressing AT2 also highly expressed many other genes that positively regulating viral reproduction and transmission. A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung. ”
This is a small study, but the 55 year old Asian male had greatly increased ACE2 receptors. I do not know if there are other studies, but did see that SARS also targeted those receptors.
This may be why Japanese and Chinese are so faithful to wear those masks in public – their innate native vulnerability to respiratory diseases!!!
ACE2 receptors have been shown to be the entry point into human cells for some coronaviruses, including the SARS virus[9], and the Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).[10]” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2
Very interesting.
Any information on “Native American” [COUGH – American Indian] expression of ACE-2 will be appreciated.
We ain’t all Pocohontas. 😉
4.3% mortality for this group.
” In this single-center case series of 138 hospitalized patients with confirmed NCIP in Wuhan, China, presumed hospital-related transmission of 2019-nCoV was suspected in 41% of patients, 26% of patients received ICU care, and mortality was 4.3%.”
*https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044*
Good number, IMO. Small sample set, isolated group, probably very loose, but I think this bodes well for the final number being under 10% for sure, and possibly under 5%.
https://twitter.com/alison4trump/status/1225833664501579777?s=21
Mortality 15% in the initial group of 41 WuFlu patients.
“Complications included acute respiratory distress syndrome (12 [29%]), RNAaemia (six [15%]), acute cardiac injury (five [12%]) and secondary infection (four [10%]). 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died.”
*https://www.idsociety.org/globalassets/lancet-jan-24-2020-today-1st-42-patients-ncov.pdf*
Tweets by sotiridi
has some video stuff. He’s in a ‘we chat’ that keeps getting shut down.
Per the Cheifio blog dedicated discussion of the Wuhan Coronavirus, from “Larry Ledwick”, 7 February 2020 at 4:42 pm:
It appears that HONG KONG is becoming massively negatively impacted by the Wuhan Coronavirus in terms of lockdown / people unable to get to work / supplies being bought out / overseas orders for items being reduced.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statues.aspx.
A list of pertinent laws for each state of the United States regarding Quarantine and Isolation that can be imposed on the people in each state.
http://www.lawfareblog.com/quarantine-power-primer-light-coronavirus-situation
Personally, I HATE Lawfare. However, I find this article to be in interesting discussion of Quarantine and Isolation that can be imposed on people in the United States by the state AND/OR federal government.
It also appears that the WHO has issued a warning that basic items of PPE (Personal Protective Equipment), like masks, disposable gloves, hand sanitizer, etc., are going out of stock or are otherwise becoming unavailable.
It appears that 11 MILITARY BASES in the United States are now being used as Quarantine centers for U.S. citizens being kept under Quarantine for 14 days after arriving from places where the Wuhan Coronavirus is present, especially citizens being evacuated from the Wuhan City / Hubei Province areas. So far, there have been 800 U.S. citizens who have arrived back in this country after being evacuated from overseas.
It is my opinion that this week may well be the time to make sure that household preparations are completed for a possible scenario of “shelter-in-place” at home for at least 30 days (for example, a Quarantine / Isolation order given by the state Health Department of North Carolina can be in effect for 30 days). This is in light, First, of the mounting evidence that the virus is out of control in Communist China and is spreading among many other countries (the WHO has already issued a Global Health Emergency); Second, a reading of the ncsl.org/ article above seems to indicate that little OR NO warning needs to be given by individual states and/or the federal government, if a general Quarantine / Isolation order is given; Third, the WHO warning about the start of unavailability of PPE items (which I believe should also include prescription drugs / OTC items / pet medicines).
30 days minimum, 60 days better, 90 days best. And I know a military NBC guy (nuclear, biological, chemical) who decades ago considered 6 months minimal, 1 year better, 18 months “proper”.
Saw this when I got home from work…
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-whether-2019-ncov-was-bio-engineered
Quotes from two stellar research leaders in article:
“Specifically, ABC News’ Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton asked the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease about concerns that stem from misinformation online that the novel coronavirus could have been engineered or deliberately released.
“There’s always that concern,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said.
“And one of the things that people are doing right now is very carefully looking at sequences to see if there’s even any possibility much less likelihood that that’s going on. And you could ultimately determine that. So people are looking at it, but right now, the focus is on what are we going to do about what we have.”
The White House has good reason to question the official story as expert virologist Dr. James Lyons-Weiler of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge, showed and explained how the coronavirus’ genetic sequence – which has been publicly released by China – contains a unique “middle fragment” encoding a SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) spike protein that appears, according to his genomic analysis, to have been inserted into the 2019-nCoV virus using “pShuttle” technology. This technique can only be done in a lab, as it has never occurred naturally in nature.
“This isn’t a ‘conspiracy theory’, it is a scientific, medical theory,” says Del Bigtree, the Emmy-winning producer and founder of non-profit Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN).”
THIS indicates to me that our President is very concerned, paying close attention, asking questions and continually seeking new information.
Yes – we are in excellent hands! Praise God! I will be very blunt – it is ONLY our turning to God that is responsible for this deliverance.
Amen – all praise and power belong to GOD. Psalm 62:11
First para below from Concerned Virginian.
It is my opinion that this week may well be the time to make sure that household preparations are completed for a possible scenario of “shelter-in-place” at home for at least 30 days (for example, a Quarantine / Isolation order given by the state Health Department of North Carolina can be in effect for 30 days).
^^^ Peanut gallery here. I have ZERO insights into what is truly coming our way. BUT, IMO, we have close to no good news regarding Corona. NOR, do I have any medical training OR health world.
AND, I am no where near a cliff. NOR, seeking a cliff 😉
BUT…
Folks, IMO, it is time to be ready. BE READY FOR CORONA…whatever that may entail.
Me thinks, a very wise comment a couple days ago, is worth restating…
– Better to be ready two weeks early, than ten minutes late. Supplies, food, cleaning supplies, medical stuff, prescriptions no longer available.
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Related “readiness” thought…applies to Corona.
WHY? Why do some folks carry a gun? Open or concealed. So MANY, incorrectly implore, WHAT ARE THE ODDS YOU”LL NEED A GUN?
– ANSWER is honestly odds are NOT probably, NOT likely, BUT 100% POSSIBLE.
– IF in the unlikely event one MUST have a gun, IMMEDIATELY, it is too late. Bad guy wins.
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IMHO, likelihood of Corona becoming a crisis in our lives to manage, IE, not get infected, one best be ready.
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IF this post comes across as unduly alarming, or hysterical, apologies.
kalbokalbs
In my opinion, you’re not alarming, etc.
My training was in HHA / CNA, home-based care. I’ve had over 25 years’ experience in taking care of very ill elderly people.
One of the important things I learned is that one can NEVER BE “too prepared”.
For example, in the middle of the night, you have to give a medication to a patient and discover that you don’t have the med — because the refill wasn’t requested in a timely fashion — not only is the patient without their medication, but you INSTANTLY learn an invaluable lesson in CHARTING THE MEDS AND SUPPLIES INVENTORIES.
There’s a running commentary from the CDC, from medical experts heard on the radio, etc., about how “people are more in danger of getting the flu instead of getting the Wuhan virus”. However, there ARE vaccines and other drugs that can prevent the flu / reduce the severity of a flu infection. There are NO vaccines / drugs for the Wuhan virus; and NO possibility of a vaccine / drug being developed for some time. Also, the Wuhan virus situation is compounded by the proven fact that the virus is MUTATING at an alarming rate.
I am reading blog discussions over at Chefio about the upcoming peak spread (and therefore, potential exposure to) of the virus arriving worldwide between mid-March and late April. It is unclear what projections for infection are being considered — if one goes by the “official” figures from Beijing, it would spread at a somewhat “slower” rate; if one goes by the leaked “true” figures by tencent online a few days ago, it will occur much sooner.
Let’s suppose a household decides to go ahead and stock up. Let’s also assume that the Wuhan virus doesn’t come near the projections of infection / death / “recovery”. What long term damage is there? I say, None.
If the supplies aren’t used for a Quarantine that doesn’t happen, they can still be used for feeding the household, for cleaning, etc., in general. They can be saved in case there’s a bad snowstorm. They can be saved in case there’s a tornado outbreak in the summer.
It’s kind of like “you need a gun to defend yourself right now, but the police are minutes away”.
100%
AND, looking at my own situation…
I am an old geezer. Higher risk.
Wife, Asian descent nearly my age. Higher risk.
Rold arts fule!
Yepper. Need one of those t-shirts 😉
Here is a TIP which you will find very interesting.
LOWES is pushing respirators. They’ve got extras out of all kinds, and they’re featured at the ends of aisles. All of them seem rated adequate for coronavirus, many are superior.
Most people do a lot of home work that SHOULD have a respirator (paint, polyurethane, strippers, sanding, powders, insecticides) WITHOUT respirators.
My advice – on top of everything else, BUY A RESPIRATOR for likely home use that will double for virus protection.
I heard an interesting theory on the chans that white hats booby-trapped some bio tech with the WuFlu and then allowed it to be stolen by Chinese spies. It would explain:
– All of the American and Canadian espionage arrests shortly after the pandemic began.
– Why the only people who are dead from the WuFlu are Chinese.
– Why President Trump hasn’t appeared the least bit concerned about this pandemic.
* ALLEGEDLY dead from WuFlu. I wonder how many of those “dead” were political hitjobs or organ harvesting. What’s the Chinese equivalent of “Arkancide”?
When the Japanese report deaths, THAT is when we have confirmed virulence.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Coronavirus Cases:
31,439
of which 4,824 (15%)
in critical condition
Deaths:
638
Recovered:
1,563
Fox reporting 1sr American has died in Wuhan.
Nice post on Gab – WATCH OUT (“AND” logic) for plausibility ops by the ChiComs.
1h
NHack
@Nithilinius
Posted in QAnon and the Great Awakening
@NaturalNews @NeonRevolt @InfoWars @zerohedge what’s the easiest way for the Wuhan bioweapons, er, bat virus lab to “accidentally” release the virus into the population and create a plausible cover story? By selling the lab’s virus-filled but symptom-less bats for soup at the nearby exotic food market! 🦇🍜
Perhaps I’m missing the opening paragraphs of this whodunit thriller, here. But why would they want to release the virus into their own population?
I’m missing them, too. 😉
However, self-infliction is not a necessary condition for a plausible lie. But it is ONE of the scenarios.
Note that the US military performed at least one known airborne bacteriological agent test against our own population in California, and there were some deaths that were not expected, nor uncovered until years later. This is not an impossible scenario.
However, right now, accidental release of some kind is my number one theory.
The reason to lie could be ANY set of facts different from the story that the Chinese would prefer the rest of the world to believe.
The person is ultimately saying – rightly – we should be careful not to take the FACTS of a verified soup bat as the whole story. I agree. Bat story proof does not exonerate ChiComs.
They’re good at lying. REAL GOOD. 😉
I saw a speculation on Reddit that we found out about the Chinese stealing samples from biolabs in Canada and Boston (and more?). So we doped a sample of some stuff they were stealing with a virus we developed. When they stole their samples, one or some of them had our virus in them. Since some of the samples didn’t require extreme care to prevent infection, our virus made it out of their lab into the Chinese population.
Another thriller-type scenario could be that we found out the Chinese were well on their way to developing a very virulent and deadly virus targeting non-Asians. We then struck first by releasing our virus near the Wuhan market.
T3 forwarded a YouTube scientist (below) who cites a bigger and better study on ACE2 which correlates it to smoking, which is almost 50% of adult males in China, and only 2% of the women, thus driving the race and gender numbers we see. If that’s the case, then it seems more like an unfortunate accident or “malevolent actor” release. Still not buying the “bat soup” disinformation! 😀
” But why would they want to release the virus into their own population?”
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Because their economy is on a downward spiral, getting worse by the week…and the ChiComs needed something to blame it on.
It allows the ChiCom leaders to ‘save face’.
Ummm. Save face by a controllable release of a less potent virus, maybe. But one that virtually decimates their entire population . . . I can’t really buy into that, yet.
I can, unfortunately…because the ChiCom leadership are Godless and place no value on human life.
They will remain protected, while their people suffer through this.
Decades of failed one child policy where males were preferred. There’s not enough females for them to reproduce. And the Majority of population is aging now with fewer younger generation available to take care of them – huge societal/economic burden. The age range that the virus is attacking is definitely the older folks, not the younger, pretty suspicious eh?? Also fits with the older one having had SARS vaccine and being more susceptible. Anyone know if children are required to get SARS vaccine?
Really gets rid of a lot of problems for the Chinese Communist Party doesn’t it?
Maybe this is a case of well the bats don’t look sick so why destroy them when I can sell them for some money. No one will know.
Heat kills anything so no worries.
*Shrugs*
That’s my opinion.
A researcher animal was not destroyed, it was “sold in the market”.
I have no idea whether this advice is sound. It partly depends on whether the info about survival time for the virus on hard surfaces is accurate. It also does not address particulates in the air, which I think people are using masks to protect themselves from.
“How to Avoid Coronavirus on Flights: Forget Masks, Says Top Airline Doctor”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/want-to-avoid-virus-forget-face-masks-top-airline-doctor-says/ar-BBZHv05
From the article:
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Q: Is there a risk of becoming contaminated with the virus on a plane?
A: The risk of catching a serious viral infection on an aircraft is low. The air supply to a modern airliner is very different from a movie theater or an office building. The air is a combination of fresh air and recirculated air, about half each. The recirculated air goes through filters of the exact same type that we use in surgical operating theaters. That supplied air is guaranteed to be 99.97% (or better) free of viruses and other particles. So the risk, if there is one, does not come from the supplied air. It comes from other people.
Q: What are the chances of getting the virus by touching the seats, armrest or any of the objects on a plane?
A: Viruses and other microbes like to live on living surfaces like us. Just shaking hands with somebody will be a greater risk by far than some dry surface that has no biological material on it. The survival of viruses on surfaces isn’t great, so it’s believed that normal cleaning, and then the extra cleaning in the event that someone was discovered to be contagious, is the appropriate procedure. Will people stop getting together inside an airplane? I would respond by asking: Will I stop going to the movies, or sports games, or concerts or conferences? I don’t think so.
Q: What’s important if you are on a plane to ensure you don’t get infected?
A: Hand hygiene — because contrary to what people think, the hands are the way that these viruses most efficiently spread. Top of the list is frequent hand washing, hand sanitizing, or both. Avoid touching your face. If you cough or sneeze, it’s important to cover your face with a sleeve. Better yet, a tissue to be disposed of carefully, and then sanitizing the hands afterward. Washing your hands and drying them is the best procedure. When that’s not easy to do, alcohol-based sanitizer is a good second-best.
Q: Does wearing masks and gloves help prevent infections?
A: First of all, masks. There’s very limited evidence of benefit, if any, in a casual situation. Masks are useful for those who are unwell to protect other people from them. But wearing a mask all the time will be ineffective. It will allow viruses to be transmitted around it, through it and worse still, if it becomes moist it will encourage the growth of viruses and bacteria. Gloves are probably even worse, because people put on gloves and then touch everything they would have touched with their hands. So it just becomes another way of transferring micro-organisms. And inside the gloves, your hands get hot and sweaty, which is a really good environment for microbes to grow.
I agree with what he’s saying about “casual situations”. But “dire situations” can happen.
Thus, I would agree that the FULL ANSWER is:
* “care under casual situations”
* “avoiding the dire situations”
* “masks and gloves under dire situations”
T3 provided me with an excellent video which addresses both virulence numbers and ACE2 race/gender results in the study people are talking about, which is explained by ANOTHER study which DID account for SMOKING, and found THAT was the real link to elevated ACE2 proteins.
The ‘official’ version of the Symptoms for this virus, list respiratory symptoms plus fever.
But…I am seeing tweets from Chinese people talking about severe nausea and diarrhea.
As in, people not being able to even keep water down.
😬😕
So if this Wuhan Coronavirus is a combination of respiratory and intestinal flu, then that would make it more serious…and potentially lethal…than other coronaviruses.
Intestinal flu can quickly weaken you and make it harder to fight the respiratory symptoms.
I keep Gingerale on hand, because it is great when experiencing nausea.
It’s something that most people can keep down…when everything else comes back up.
Ginger is a natural treatment for nausea.
So I keep some capsules of Ginger Root on hand, as well.
Cheese and crackers are also a good thing to have on hand when dealing with nausea and diarrhea.
Just something to keep in mind…when prepping.
Walmart still sells the original motion sickness relief 50 mg dimenhydrinate (Dramamine). It’s a very good treatment for nausea, vomiting, and dizziness.
OMG! This must be what hell sounds like.
https://twitter.com/Beaubier/status/1226041745802059777
Heartrending.
Officials now confirming that the Wuhan coronavirus can spread through surface contacts and by aerosol transmission.
What are those mullahs up to?
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1226067416842633216
Yup. As somone said earlier, it’s a precrematorium.
Bet the real hospitals are reserved for Party Elites and Oligarchs.
People keep asking the death rate and well no wonder its so high in China. You have better medical care and I’m guessing the numbers drop.
Wuhan Coronavirus Patients Left to Die Without Medical Care
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/02/07/report-wuhan-coronavirus-patients-left-to-die-without-medical-care/
Epoch Times was reporting on this.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/coronavirus-patients-at-wuhans-quarantine-hotels-left-to-die-on-their-own_3229405.html
Just passing this on . . . can’t verify.
2019-nCOV TRUTH @pohung76
🚨#HONGKONG GOV GENOCIDE🚨
Measures for those come/back from Mainland China:
😡 Voluntary guarantine!
😡 Voluntary temperature testing!
😡 Voluntary recording!
😡 Voluntary reporting!
Simply NO MEASURES.
OBVIOUSLY MURDERING CIVILLIANS!
2019-nCOV TRUTH @pohung76
🚨EVIDENCE OF CCP GENOCIDE🚨
This so-called #Wuhan Isolation Center.
😡 No Medicine!
😡 No Isolation!
😡 No toilet!
😡 No caring!
😡 No electricity & other basic facilities!
OBVIOUSLY A CONCENTRATION CAMP
TRAPPING INFECTED & LET DIE.
Just in case you did not see it up thread:
It was in the 20200206: High Noon, President Trump Speech on His Acquittal article.
I am still working on it Daughn.
I have all the data gathered and I am now organizing it. Should be ready to go by Sunday. (I have to work today.)
https://twitter.com/Rntk____/status/1226138340560273409
FWIW
That 1st tweet bothers me….🤔
I add that “fairness of distribution of equipment” in the next tweet.
The whole thing sounds like a global $ grab
Oh My God! This is cruel!
https://twitter.com/Beaubier/status/1226208625879732224
Per the Chiefio blog dedicated Wuhan Coronavirus discussion thread:
Apparently WHOLE FAMILIES are being found DEAD in their apartments in buildings that were put into lockdown quarantine in Wuhan.
https://twitter.com/podobensky/status/1226183877632368640
Wednesday – Canadian scientist being investigated for Chinese bio espionage suddenly dies in Kenya.
Thursday – President Trump meets with the President of Kenya at the White House and proposes a big trade agreement.
Interesting timing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2020/02/06/trump-administration-open-free-trade-talks-kenya/41152099/
Please keep in mind that for every household that is prepared to weather out a crisis, there will be dozens / hundreds in the area where you live who have not.
I make it a point of keeping quiet about what I have on hand in the way of supplies. IF things deteriorate into chaos, people will start showing up at your door asking/demanding that you share, and bringing with them an increased chance of virus infection.
Word of mouth of your stash can spread around in unintended ways, leaving your household with heartbreaking decisions of who to help, and who not to.
OR that the authorities, being tipped off by someone what your household “has a lot of stuff” or that you’re “hoarding” can ALSO show up and requisition.
Don’t think that can’t happen here.
Oh yes it can! Look at ‘hoarding laws’ in your state. There was quite a bit if discussion about the issue several years ago. Actually they can TAKE anything they want to, livestock, tractors….
You only THOUGHT you were free.
https://twitter.com/Beaubier/status/1226247807859712000
If true, China is lost. There is no way to contain this.
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1225214851129233408
Incidentally, this man’s timeline is full of information, pictures, and videos of what is happening in China. It’s insane.
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Tweets by IsChinar
“…the oft quoted 2% death rate is misleading, deaths today should be compared to infections 3 weeks previously, so death rate would several times higher than 2%.
Another death rate is to compare deaths against recovered, which at 30% is more concerning.” — J Martin @ Chiefio
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-03-the-coronavirus-was-engineered-by-scientists-in-a-lab.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am inclined to agree. Infected to death is ~2 to 4 weeks. While the number infected rises exponentially the death rate will always be much lower that the true death rate.
At day 1 you have 9 infections at day 21 you have 641 infections, 600 or so are still running to a conclusion.
From Larry Ledwick:
Daughn,
Here is the article.
PART I
I have complied the knowledge from the ChiefIO site and Q-treepers about prepping for the Corona virus. THANK Q to everyone.
WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CHINESE CORONA VIRUS.
1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false positive. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.
2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs.
Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it.
Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.
In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)
3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)
Surface Survival of the Virus
4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus.
”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days”
*https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018986v2
Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) *https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1
”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them….
…I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.” – Larry L.
76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.
5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable.
*https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187748/
*https://www.who.int/csr/disease/coronavirus_infections/LaboratoryTestingNovelCoronavirus_21Dec12.pdf
6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.
7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)
Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:
PART II
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CONCLUSION
The virus is probably ‘free’ here in the USA. I t is more severe for men, especially older men and older people with chronic inflammatory disease. It requires a long hospital stay. Children may show little sign of the disease.
“What we think will happen over the next several weeks, will be more and more cases will begin to show up that have no obvious contact back to China,” –Michael Osterholm, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
*https://www.kare11.com/article/news/health/infectious-disease-expert-says-were-ill-prepared-for-coronavirus/89-0d9d99c5-24f7-4128-ae9a-6687f9a138dd
THEREFORE the goal is to prevent rapid spread of the disease especially to those over 50 so the hospitals are not overwhelmed. IF the system is overwhelmed the elderly WILL NOT GET CARE!
Part III
PREVENTION
MINIMIZING CONTACT
If you are older stay away from your grand kids! Larry L. suggested a 3 – 6 foot distance from other people, a pathologist suggests 6 to 9 feet.
Interesting items on survival times for various bugs on different surfaces and conditions.
*https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/
*https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021850217302239
PREVENTION
MINIMIZING CONTACT
If you are older stay away from your grand kids! Larry L. suggested a 3 – 6 foot distance from other people, a pathologist suggests 6 to 9 feet.
Interesting items on survival times for various bugs on different surfaces and conditions.
*https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body/
*https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021850217302239
PART IV
Removing Gloves
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MASKS
”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles
For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100)
3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091 , and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.
How to properly wear a mask- short video in link
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*https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask#4
*https://www.sfcdcp.org/communicable-disease/healthy-habits/how-to-put-on-and-remove-a-face-mask/
Larry Ledwick has a HOW TO
for homemade mask:
*https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/ghe-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/#comment-123794
NUTRITION TO OPTIMIZE IMMUNE SYSTEM
High dose Vit C for anti viral activity.
Nutritional Treatment of Coronavirus
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.
Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.
In summary:
What Does Taking Massive Amounts of Vitamin C Do to Your Body?
*https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/taking-massive-amounts-vitamin-c-body-6719.html
*https://www.livestrong.com/article/413359-what-are-the-benefits-of-mega-dosing-vitamin-c/
Debunking of side effects:
*https://www.approachwellness.com/vitamin-c-side-effects.html
From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.
There are a lot of sites like this:
15 Foods That Boost the Immune System
*https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/foods-that-boost-the-immune-system
I recommend looking for the scientific studies (pro and con) that actually support the claims of any health remedy not prescribed by a doctor as I have done above.
DISCLAIMER: I am a chemist and not a doctor. This is just a compilation from comments at both sites that may be of interest to readers. Think for your self!
Logical thinking.
Q
Amazing work you have done here and have been doing on this thread. I am looking of the link to the article that talked about some usual home remedies that might not be good for this specific virus due to the pathways of this specific virus. Do you remember why I might be talking about?
found what I was looking for….
https://sites.google.com/site/naturalimmunesystemboosters/cytokine-storm
From this part of the thread
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/comment-page-1/#comment-383434
Also has been discussion on CBD etc and anti inflammatory effects.
As much as I am interested in the origination – how, who, where and why- I am MUCH more interested in prevention of getting it and what to do with we do get. We are upping our hygiene and sanitation – increased anti germ vigilance in public, for example. We are upping our immune system and general health, doing what we already know we should do, like heating fermented foods Every day and drinking a variety of herbal teas, etc.
Now I am looking for the list of supplements that has been suggested that included Resveratrol & vitamin B12….
anyone remember that list?
the above list is very helpful as are the links but I remembered another list….trying to find that one.
OOPs,
I forgot to include the CBD oil information. It is more about inflammation.
Patriot Nurse:
At ~ 2 minute mark she mentions underlying conditions that make the china virus life threatening:
Type I & II diabetes, High blood pressure and cardiovascular problems. She says those are chronic inflammation and therefore are more at risk from the Chorona virus. (Asthma is also chronic inflammation.)
Science News: Why Cannabis Stems Inflammation
I also added B12 …
Anti-inflammatory Properties of Vitamin B12
Apart from the important role that vitamin B12 plays in the functioning of the brain and nervous system and in red blood cell production, vitamin B12 also has an important role in the control of inflammation. Vitamin B12 deficiency has been implicated in several inflammatory diseases such as dementia, Alzheimer’s Disease, neuritis, multiple sclerosis and Parkinson’s disease. In addition it has also been found that administration of high doses of vitamin B12 may be beneficial in the treatment of chronic inflammatory conditions such as atopic dermatitis, eczema, psoriasis, osteoarthritis, diabetic neuropathy, fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.. There is also evidence that vitamin B12 has potential use in the treatment of chronic pain…..
http://vitaminb12deficiency.net.au/VB12Inflammation.htm
Thank you. I have been modifying what we do a bit and trying to up our game to do what we already know to do. Now trying to get very specific. We already take methyl B12 and are being faithful daily now.
Making a shopping list this am with essential oils, teas, supplements, etc. checked on our Melissa – this is a virus and that ought to help! Expensive but for such time as this. Of course, momma of only child, I already use it for ordinary flu and even colds….too soft, I guess.
Gail, Huge thank you for the series of consecutive posts above. Great information for folks.
Daughn/wolfie said they will take this info and make it into another thread. (I hope)
That will separate the general news from the prevention prep.
With several cases now in California and the Homeless ‘occupying’ airports, there are very likely cases not reported in the homeless population by now. It will probably be ignored by California government, just like they ignore the rats and feces until it is well past epidemic level.
has Resveratrol ever been mentioned? I have been searching thread for a while this am and can’t find it….my imagination?
Thank so much for adding the CBD related info. I have been hesitant to add this to what our family does as it is “new” to market…like soy in the 70s when it was the newest, latest and greatest …. and mom latched (well intentioned) and now my thyroid, reproductive organs, etc. are one more example of how bad soy actually is. I am leary of the news/latest/greatest.
Might add it to our life for now…
Unlike Soy, hemp has been around as a natural medicine in the Indian culture for centuries. Doctors are now, reluctantly, proscribing it for controlling the side effects of Chemo and have been for years.
Also notice the article lists other stuff like cinnamon (also good for modifying the pancreas reaction to sugar.)
I use CBD oil & Turmeric-Curcumin because then I do not have to take pain killers for my back and arthritis pain. Add B12, and I have been able to quit taking daily antihistamines.
Thank you for that encouragement
Cant find it. Read an article on a certain chemical released by cremation. It’s astronomical over wu Han.
Daughn, I have added an asterisk (*) in front of all URLs to de-activate so I could post them without getting booted.
Pleas feel free to remove the asterisk (*) and add or subtract anything you wish. I am not at all defense about ‘protecting’ my information or writing.
ADDENDUM
I am going to add this addendum from my 2009 notes on the attempt to regulate vitamins and herbal remedies and the disregard for simple decontamination procedures by doctors.
Doctors and Hygene
The Johns Hopkins tracker application:
*https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
There are now 12 cases in the USA per the Johns Hopkins tracker.
I read on Reddit that Chinese flights to and from Africa and South America are not constrained. That makes them good areas to watch for virus infections in the near term.
That would be so if they had an adequate health system that could detect and report on the spread of the virus, though they should have hubs where the health system is up to par and you could gauge from that, especially in belt to road countries which are likely to have a higher Chinese foot print.
Per the Chiefio blog dedicated Wuhan Coronavirus thread:
https://todaynewsafrica.com/breaking-nigeria-senate-raises-alarm-over-strange-epidemic-outbreak-in-benue-that-has-killed-15-and-infected-104/
This new disease, it appears, is NOT Ebolavirus, Lassa Fever, or the Wuhan Coronavirus.
Which then raises the specter that it can possibly be a COMBINATION / MUTATION of any or all of the above.
Viruses mutate, and yes they recombine with other viruses.
The Wuhan Virus is an RNA virus
Mike Adams points out a critical point:
So you have this pShuttle thingy in the Wuhan Virus, does that make it EASIER for the Virus to recombine with other viruses?
This is NOT viruses but it does make you wonder.
Horizontal Gene Transfer from GMOs Does Happen
Some of the predicted numbers from a week or two ago are not being fulfilled so that is good news. Going slower than predicted.
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/comment-page-3/#comment-385361
Except that I don’t think our numbers are accurate as China’s actions do not match their numbers. Extreme reactions if the numbers are accurate.
OMG, This is way beyond F’N scary!! China has a law that “infectious” dead must have cremation priority. The fact that the Govt is also prioritizing the cremations of “other“ cause of deaths is how they are hiding the REAL numbers. 800-1000 cremations in Wuhan/day!!?!!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-funeral-homes-in-coronavirus-ground-zero-cremating-dozens-of-bodies-a-day_3228938.html
The Chinese are also limiting the number of test kits per hospital and are now Welding/Barricading people in their apartments.
Do not believe what the Chinese Communists SAY believe what they DO. ESPECIALLY as ‘civilization’ breaks down. At this point I think the Chinese have reverted to what is done with livestock: Quarantine and DEPOPULATE.
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1225180216223588352
https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1225480460979056642
https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1226462987378188288
Per the Chiefio blog dedicated Wuhan Coronavirus dedicated thread:
It appears that the infection rate for the virus is still about 15% more cases PER DAY.
It appears that there is now independent confirmation that AT LEAST 49,980 deaths in Wuhan from the virus — based on the figures of bodies cremated at the 17 crematories in Wuhan. @anilvohra69 on Twitter
If this indeed the case, one can infer that Beijing has MASSIVELY under-reported NOT ONLY the true numbers of deaths, but also the true numbers of infections.
It also appears that Communist China, the largest manufacturer of disposable masks in the world, is requisitioning masks for use within the country. Therefore, it can be inferred that other manufacturers of disposable masks will be besieged for orders. This may well lead to shortages / out of stock coming soon for any supplies of disposable masks.
I think it is also interesting that there are now 11 United States military bases that are being / will be, used to quarantine U.S. citizens who may be at risk from the virus. It is unclear from my readings as to whether these U.S. citizens are only the ones being evacuated from foreign countries where the virus is present; OR for a combination of these persons plus citizens who did not travel overseas who may have been exposed to the virus here in the U.S.
And there is that question that keeps coming to me every time I see the updated figures on the virus:
IF it is true that there are 37,555 persons infected, with 813 persons dead and 2729 “recovered” — WHAT IS the status of the remaining 34.013 persons? Are these 34.013 all in the hospital? What about the THOUSANDS of potentially / confirmed cases that are locked up / quarantined, in apartment buildings in Wuhan?
This confirms the Epoch article – 1,000 cremations/day
bakocarl mortuaries in Wuhan.
Those who are locked up/locked in seem to be left to die. Are they even delivering food to those who have been welded in?? Doubtful. The video of the new hospital, packed with people, no Drs for 3 days, no running water.
Those that overcome in the midst of a large quarantine surrounded by the infected stand the chance of being reinfected, then carrying a mutated version/super strain to infect with, if given the chance.
Now we know why all these people are running and fighting, it’s for their lives. To be suspected is to be quarantined is to die.
Pray 🙏 for China.
Gail Combs
Thank you for your postings above, great compilation, this took a chunk of your time to do.
It did and I STILL missed some of the info I wanted to include.
It really does need to be a separate article.
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About masks.
The 95N masks here in Central North Carolina are already all sold out. So yes, we here in the USA are NOT going to have access to masks. Also rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizer is starting to sell out in other places. It is AMAZING how much we relied on China for critical materials.
“In all, 80 percent of the U.S. supply of antibiotics are made in China”. Planning for Supply chain issues with 2019 nCoV should be a top priority.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-02-01/the-breakneck-rise-of-china-s-colossus-of-electric-car-batteries
China also makes a lot of US drugs and drug precursors, the chemicals used to make drugs.
Ground report Northern Nevada.
CURRENT respirator AVAILABILITY your area….?
Me thinks, IF you don’t have a respirator(s), it IS worth a ANOTHER look at your local Lowes….Home Depot…Ace Hardware…?
Five to seven days ago. Respirator stock virtually nill. Initial stock had sold out quickly… WAS SLOW seller, before Corona changed that!
GUESSING, marketing (capitalist) folks at Lowes, Home Depot, Ace, etc. started PUSHING respirators from distribution centers to stores soon after Corona started gaining coverage.
YESTERDAY Lowes and Home Depot Carson City, NV both had great significant respirator stock in main aisles and end caps. Wolf also posted this a few days ago regarding Lowes in his area.
Me also thinks, Stateside respirator stocks will vanish soon as they are rapidly bought up.
Wolf posted something to the effect of, even IF we don’t use the respirators for Corona, we ought to have them for many tasks we simply never bought them for…around the house.
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Better to be ready two weeks early, than ten minutes late. No stock available.
We have two of the ‘Darth Vader’ N95 respirators. I just need to get the filter inserts. (Today’s run)
https://twitter.com/Beaubier/status/1226526100978905088
Am I reading that correctly? The fatality rate is now ABOVE TEN PERCENT???
Was going to ask if someone can break this down to Readers Digest level. Not liking what I surmise from the graph. AND, it indicated “confirmed”.
Hubby, (and the guy who developed the graph) Helped me understand what that graph means.
See: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1223887384892313600.html
He is looking at the numbers reported by China to determine IF the numbers actually make sense. If the virus takes 10 days to KILL after being IDed then the PROPER stat is using the # of case data from January 20th AND the DEATHS from January 30th to figure out the % deaths.
That is shown in this graph looking at the number of ID cases 7, 5 and 3 days prior.
EVent Horizon @evdefender SHOWS the Chinese numbers are CRAPOLA!
IF the numbers actually make sense. If the virus takes 10 days to KILL after being IDed then the PROPER stat is using the # of case data from January 20th AND the DEATHS from January 30th to figure out the % deaths.
^^^ Exactly. I believe Carl or Volgarian was expressing the same concept five or so days ago. That particular post ended with something like… thoughts? Be nice.
AND, yes, you, I , perhaps we, know the Chinese numbers are crap. in addition to what you provide above, crematoriums working 24/7 are a fact ChiComs don’t want to acknowledge. ChiCom “plausable deniability” is the dead person was not tested for Corona.
Yes, the use pneumonia as cause of death instead. Corona virus CAUSES viral pneumonia but let’s not mention that.
At this point I think the disease is so out of control the Chinese are just fighting a rearguard action hoping to keep their entire country from collapsing.
From the Daily Mail article:
*https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7977649/China-orders-Wuhan-round-suspected-coronavirus-patients-quarantine-camps.html
The temperature-taking drones were spotted on Tuesday in Fuxin in China’s Liaoning Province
^^^ Finally some good news regarding Corona!
Wondering IF it may be a fit for other US based Corona cases.
FTA / interview… bold added
Dr. George Diaz: Yes, at this point the CDC has been working with the authorities in China and have recently opened a large clinical trial of Chinese patients looking at those with severe disease as well as those with mild to moderate disease. We are very much looking forward to the trials.
*https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/breaking-washington-doctors-successfully-treat-coronavirus-patient-with-experimental-anti-viral-medication-significantly-improved-in-hours-video/
This is from 8kun today
▶Anonymous 02/09/20 (Sun) 16:58:33 0129b3 (4) No.8083578>>8083609
Washington Doctors Successfully Treat First U.S. Corona Virus Patient
The first person in the Pacific Northwest, and the United States, to become infected with the Wuhan coronavirus is recovering in the hospital after receiving a possible new treatment.
The patient, a 35-year-old man, admitted himself to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington on Jan. 19 after returning from a trip to Wuhan, according to a New England Journal of Medicine report on the case.
Was given experimental Remdesivir, an antiviral medication. A novel nucleotide analog prodrug. It was developed by Gilead Sciences as a treatment for Ebola virus disease and Marburg virus infections
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/02/01/washington-coronavirus-patient-is-recovering-after-receiving-a-trial-of-an-experimental-antiviral-drug/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/breaking-washington-doctors-successfully-treat-coronavirus-patient-with-experimental-anti-viral-medication-significantly-improved-in-hours-video/
… oops … already posted … sorry 😐❤️
I saw a shorter version of this earlier and posted it on the Coronavirus thread
Yes, I came to the coronavirus thread and started to read .. wow 😳
Pretty awesome huh?!
LOL I was replying through notifications….didn’t realize which thread it was from ….apologies if that sounded crazy
https://twitter.com/Beaubier/status/1226614692551876608
Newest Chiefio page on the Corona Virus:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/02/06/6-feb-2019-ncov-corona-virus-outbreak/
….
Larry Ledwick says:
6 February 2020 at 11:57 pm
“This paper looks at the potential for the outbreak to become unstoppable out side of China and suggests that it still might be possible to stop it but it might require aggressive and immediate mitigation actions to do so.”
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930260-9
From the Lancet paper summary;
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Octave Fiddler states the real problem.
“That British doc said it; we (the Brits) don’t have enough oxygen delivery capacity to get everyone through their oxygenation crises.
He worried that less developed countries will be in big trouble.
Also said he couldn’t understand the WHO moving so timidly.
Also said he couldn’t understand the WHO moving so timidly.
^^^ Can’t find it now. But, I have read WHO actions are throttled by China’s contributions / funding to WHO.
Politics ;-(
Read it in a post or link that was provided in this thread.
What Larry says in response to this tweet, is WHY trying to slow down the epidemic is so important. How many recover is based on how much medical support is available. Once the system is over loaded triage kicks in and the elderly get placed in hospice to die along with other useless eaters.
“The comments above raise some interesting questions, if incubation time is about 6.4 days more or less then patients show symptoms and become sick a few days later. As the Doctor noted above patients either die or recover after about 3 weeks of hospitalization than the full cycle from infection to death can take a month or a bit longer. That means we are only just now seeing the consequences of infections that happened in the first week of January when the outbreak was just being recognized as significant.
The 30,000+ cases now confirmed will load down the system for another 3-5 weeks before they all recover or die. The drain on both people and resources is going to be catastrophic in areas that have limited ability to rotate in fresh staff and keep them supplied with proper protective gear.
Stress of round the clock efforts will also increase the losses of first line medical staff as they get fatigued and exhausted, make mistakes or simply the numbers of close contacts eventually break through their defenses.”
Given the response of UN-WHO, the CDC and the idiot, Tom Inglesby at Johns Hopkins, ALL of whom are more concerned about CHINA’s TRADE than about stopping the pandemic, I sometimes wonder if this is a BURN IT ALL DOWN response by the Globalist Elite.
New Zealand so far has no cases and they plan to keep it that way. link
“We don’t have historical reason to believe travel bans work.” Then the guy is a really poor student of history! He should read up on the mathematician Nikolai Lobachevsky and the cholera epidemic of 1830…
Who is this guy who is AGAINST QUARANTINE???
*http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-people/inglesby/
What a maroon.
My opinion: TOM INGLESBY is a (perhaps willing) tool of the Totalitarian Globalist cabal.
EXACTLY!!!
A traitorous A$$HOLE He reminds me of the infanticide ‘Doctor’ now governor of Virginia.
MOAR info….
Daughn – everybody – T3 dropped this link
https://gab.com/thinkthinkthink/posts/103627732234304523
Also a specific message for Daughn from T3 (can’t get it to her in chat yet):
*****************
Howdy, I’m staying off of WordPress for various reasons mostly having to do with time management. Could you kindly send this shocking info about state audits to our Daughn at WQTH? Thanks!
https://wearethene.ws/notable/82403
Read a long thread on that last night. Didn’t sound good.
Found this just now….in all my years I’ve not seen a sick person run like THIS.
WTF??
These may be people violating quarantine confinements – like that gal who snuck out of the airport here. Whole buildings where there are several sick people are being totally quarantined – people have to stay in their own apartments.
So it looks like people running around without a hall pass, or reported for breaking quarantine, are being dragged off – not sure where or why. And remember that in places like China and the Islamic world with no due process or respect for truth, connivers will falsely report people for reasons as simple as “I don’t like him” or “I want her apartment”.
This is going to make me crazy, isn’t it?
Hopefully not! We need you firing on all cylinders, Daughn! 😀
Daughn, starting at:
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/comment-page-5/#comment-392903
Is the article I promised.
It is in several comments. Do as you wish with it.
Larry…
Larry L.
Gail – this was in spam. Looks like another mistaken and possibly “ideological” spam declaration. Please report to: https://akismet.com/contact – pick the 4th option, give your user names and WordPress email, and provide these URLs in the MESSAGE:
https://wordpress.com/comment/wqth.wordpress.com/393469
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/20200201-coronavirus-update-thread-3/comment-page-5/#comment-393469
DONE!
No interference with our understanding of this virus will be allowed to persist!
Larry…
Well this might explain a few things.
Epoch Times… A worthy read. Certainly supports the numbers we saw from Taiwan Tencent. Me thinks.
FTA – bold added
Report: Wuhan Province Cremating Hundreds per Day While China Reports Dozens of Virus Deaths
According to the Epoch Times, the crematoria were handling “4-5 times the usual cremation volume” per day. Few of those cremated were officially confirmed as coronavirus cases.
“I received 127 corpses yesterday [February 3], and burned 116. Among them, 8 were confirmed [coronavirus cases] on the death certificate and 48 were suspected,” a funeral home director in Hubei using the pseudonym “You Hu” told the newspaper.
The newspaper offered insight into a larger funeral home in Hankou, a Wuhan neighborhood, which it estimated had the capacity to burn 576 people per day. “You Hu” told the Epoch Times that the backlog of people waiting to be cremated was not due to lack of space in the burners, but lack of sufficient transportation and collapsing staff numbers, as few were sleeping or taking breaks. Due to transportation and staff limits, the Epoch Times estimated that the Hankou crematorium was burning 225 corpses a day.
The article went on to state that Hubei province has eight municipal funeral homes. Similarly judging from their capacity for bodies and the amount of time the furnaces are running, the article adds another 135 patients a day to the tally from five of these. The other three, it concludes, burned 476 people a day. While less confident in these numbers since the journalists were unable to speak to their managers, these numbers reveal a rough estimate of nearly 1,000 people incinerated per day.
Of course, the article notes that there is no guarantee that all these people died after becoming infected with the novel coronavirus.
*https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/07/report-china-crematorium-funeral-homes-burning-coronavirus-patients/
That would go along with the “massive release of sulfur dioxide gas from the outskirts of Wuhan, commonly associated with the burning of organic matter”
https://gab.com/thinkthinkthink/posts/103627732234304523
And also the fires sighted by satellites.
CRAP!
Coronavirus Super-Spreader Infects 57 in Hospital
FTA
Coronavirus: Offers of help from CDC, WHO to China ignored for weeks
NEW YORK (NYTIMES) – For more than a month, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been offering to send a team of experts to China to observe its coronavirus outbreak and help if it can.
Normally, teams from the agency’s Epidemic Intelligence Service can be in the air within 24 hours.
The World Health Organisation (WHO), which made a similar offer about two weeks ago, appears to be facing the same cold shoulder, though a spokeswoman said it is just “sorting out arrangements”.
Some experts also say that outsiders could discover aspects of the outbreak that are embarrassing to China: for example, the country has not revealed how many of its doctors and nurses have died fighting the disease.
But China does need help, experts argue.
In private phone calls and texts, some Chinese colleagues have indicated that they are overwhelmed and would welcome not just extra hands, but specialised expertise in a couple of fields.
*https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/coronavirus-offers-of-help-from-cdc-who-to-china-ignored-for-weeks
Kidnap our experts? WE SEE YOU, CHINA! Notice the expert that was just killed in Kenya. Notice the Clinton Foundation expert who was killed by that bogus terror hit.
SORRY, CHINA! Something is not right here. I knew this was some weird trap. BEWARE.
I posted a link to USAMRIID (Army version of CDC) from their newsroom/media page of an article relating the CDC crackdown on them, which restricted their ability to do bio-weapons research. The clamp-down was done in July, 2019, which brought a halt to their bio research. Restrictions were partly lifted in December, 2019 to allow small scale and monitored research by the CDC.
I think I posted that in the update #2 Coronavirus topic, and included a short copy and paste of the December article.
Wellll… both article links have been deleted from the newsroom/media page. POOF!
Cue THREE suspicious cats.
Current USAMRIID newsroom/media page: https://www.usamriid.army.mil/newsroom.htm
So, IF i got it right, stuff you posted on a “.mil” site was deleted.
IF, my thought above is correct, for me, NOT a surprise. It’s a dot mil site. Part of the Army, DoD…
DoD, the Army, all Services for that matter, are not known for transparency. That includes, freedom of speech.
Dunno what got deleted. But, guessing it was not what USAMRIID wants to convey to the public.
AND, no I am NOT attacking your post or intentions. Surely, the the information was well intended. But I am not surprised.
“So, IF i got it right, stuff you posted on a “.mil” site was deleted.”
Incorrect. Only thing I posted was here at the Qtree. I posted a link from the USAMRIID website concerning the CDC clamping down/hobbling of the bio research they had been doing, plus a short excerpt from the article. The deleting was done at the USAMRIID website of their own content.
“Dunno what got deleted. But, guessing it was not what USAMRIID wants to convey to the public”
In light of recent developments concerning the Coronavirus outbreak, what got deleted appeared to be incriminating for the CDC. CDC has bad actors in it who are holdovers from the Obama administration.
Appreciate the correction. AND, also not surprised USAMRIID deleted some of their own content. Who knows. Message changes. Status updates. AND, the ever present Public Affairs trying to project an image.
Thanks for correcting my perception, which was wrong.
I appreciate having you check up on what I post. I make my fair share of mistakes.
I remember that post by you itswoot because the timing was so suspicious.
I also remember your response detailing other events around July, 2019 that made the timing of the CDC suspension of USAMRIID bio defense research very suspicious.
From the USAMRIID home page:
Since 1969, USAMRIID has served as the Department of Defense’s (DoD) lead laboratory for medical biological defense research. While our core mission is to protect the warfighter from biological threats, we also investigate disease outbreaks and threats to public health. Research conducted at USAMRIID leads to medical solutions—therapeutics, vaccines, diagnostics, and information—that benefit both military personnel and civilians. USAMRIID is a subordinate laboratory of the U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command.
BREAKING: Washington Doctors SUCCESSFULLY Treat Coronavirus Patient with Experimental Anti-viral Medication — “Significantly” Improved in Hours (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/breaking-washington-doctors-successfully-treat-coronavirus-patient-with-experimental-anti-viral-medication-significantly-improved-in-hours-video/
This is why I trust President Trump over media hype (from all sides).
Hmm…Washington state.
Isn’t that where Bill Gates lives?
Yes. He does indeed.
Eleven military bases near major airports in the United States are setting up quarantine centers for possible coronavirus patients, the Department of Defense said.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article240078853.html
The new quarantine centers are:
JB Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii (HNL)
Great Lakes Training Center Navy Base, Illinois (ORD)
Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base, Texas (DFW)
March ARB, California (LAX)
Travis AFB, California (SFO)
Dobbins ARB, Georgia (ATL)
Fort Hamilton, New York (JFK)
Naval Base Kitsap, Washington (SEA)
Joint Base Anacostia, Washington DC (IAD)
Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, New Jersey (EWR)
Fort Custer Training Center, Michigan (DTW)
The Department of Defense already has quarantine centers at:
Fort Carson in Colorado
Travis Air Force Base
Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in California
Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.
Very interesting summary on quarantine authority in the US.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/quarantine-power-primer-light-coronavirus-situation
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx
^^^ Most of those bases can either handle wide body aircraft, or are very close to a military air field that can do so. a couple I am unsure of.
I view this as good news. We really gotta have tight controls on folks returning from China, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Add Singapore and UK. And, and…I think it IS global travel ban time. Read where they believe it was transmitted via eyes. This is major bio-hazard warfare.
And there’s Africa with zero cases??? They don’t even have test kits. All those Chinese workers over there. Zero cases???
Transmitted via eyes? As in, one rubs his eyes and snatches Corona onto his fingers. Then touches a surface or something another person touches? OMG.
Have noticed Singapore gaining Corona cases from folks that have not been to China. And thought to not be in direct contact with Singaporeans that went to China and have Corona.
UK connection?
Surely glad my preps for stuff that will be high demand, is completed. Respirators, goggles, gloves, cleaning stuff.
Going back to look at virus thread.
Thankfully there is a rally Monday. Always brightens the mood 😉
Missed the obvious transmission. corona in air or surface. Virus in the air gets into one’s eye’s. Or someone touches a contaminated surface and rubs his eyes.
No, as in airborne Virus, infiltrated eye membrane tissue. That means they all need protective glasses now.
Scratch the glasses, folks are Gonna need full Bio-hazard suits. Think of all the roadblock guards, no protection, maybe masks. Think of all the police And now neighbors with gloves and masks rounding up folks If it’s airborne and can infiltrate through eye membranes, All those people are toast. Also read where they said they completed their 14 day period, but they have decided to double it and extend another 14days. Has incubation period become longer and they’re not saying?
Possibly swim masks………..they might be protective enough. Maybe.
At this point, I don’t think anyone can afford to leave any skin or hair or any other body part uncovered!
I expect you’re right about that!!!
Checked the map, UK only has 3 cases. Guess they haven’t added the 4 from the Singapore convention. Saw where Japan is being fussy on cruise ship #’s. Saying cases should be counted on patients country of origin and not added to Japan total. I disagree, infection/death cases should be counted where they are currently located regardless of home country. This virus doesn’t give a damn about politics, race, ethnicity, or anything else I wish people would just stop with their crap. They were giving Kolfage a hard time, insinuating he was discriminating against Mexicans, causing a panic…SMDH. Thank God POTUS is on this.
He’s right.
https://twitter.com/BrianKolfage/status/1226674696193703937?s=20
So China is finally allowing some help in.
Petri dish to floating hospital, they’re all gonna be Infected.
https://twitter.com/Beaubier/status/1226749375033925632?s=20
https://twitter.com/HappeningNow__/status/1226826621945933824
JAPAN: (I can see why they do not want these numbers added to their total # of cases.)
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