What is it that feeds our battle, yet starves our victory?
Speaker Johnson
Pinging you on January 6 Tapes
Just a friendly reminder Speaker Johnson. You’re doing some good things–or at least trying in the case of the budget–but this is the most important thing out there still hanging. One initial block released with the promise of more…and?
We have American patriots being held without bail and without trial, and the tapes almost certainly contain exculpatory evidence. (And if they don’t, and we’re all just yelling in an echo chamber over here, we need to know that too. And there’s only one way to know.)
Either we have a weaponized, corrupt government or we have a lot of internet charlatans. Let’s expose whatever it is. (I’m betting it’s the corrupt weaponized government, but if I am wrong, I’d like to see proof.)
Justice Must Be Done.
The prior election must be acknowledged as fraudulent, and steps must be taken to prosecute the fraudsters and restore integrity to the system.
Nothing else matters at this point. Talking about trying again in 2022 or 2024 is hopeless otherwise. Which is not to say one must never talk about this, but rather that one must account for this in ones planning; if fixing the fraud is not part of the plan, you have no plan.
Small Government?
Many times conservatives (real and fake) speak of “small government” being the goal.
This sounds good, and mostly is good, but it misses the essential point. The important thing here isn’t the size, but rather the purpose, of government. We could have a cheap, small tyranny. After all our government spends most of its revenue on payments to individuals and foreign aid, neither of which is part of the tyrannical apparatus trying to keep us locked down and censored. What parts of the government would be necessary for a tyranny? It’d be a lot smaller than what we have now. We could shrink the government and nevertheless find it more tyrannical than it is today.
No, what we want is a limited government, limited not in size, but rather in scope. Limited, that is, in what it’s allowed to do. Under current circumstances, such a government would also be much smaller, but that’s a side effect. If we were in a World War II sort of war, an existential fight against nasty dictatorships on the brink of world conquest, that would be very expensive and would require a gargantuan government, but that would be what the government should be doing. That would be a large, but still limited government, since it’d be working to protect our rights.
World War II would have been the wrong time to squawk about “small government,” but it wasn’t (and never is) a bad time to demand limited government. Today would be a better time to ask for a small government–at least the job it should be doing is small today–but it misses the essential point; we want government to not do certain things. Many of those things we don’t want it doing are expensive but many of them are quite eminently doable by a smaller government than the one we have today. Small, but still exceeding proper limits.
So be careful what you ask for. You might get it and find you asked for the wrong thing.
Political Science In Summation
It’s really just a matter of people who can’t be happy unless they control others…versus those who want to be left alone. The oldest conflict within mankind. Government is necessary, but government attracts the assholes (a highly technical term for the control freaks).
His Truth?
Again we saw an instance of “It might be true for Billy, but it’s not true for Bob” logic this week.
I hear this often, and it’s usually harmless. As when it’s describing differing circumstances, not different facts. “Housing is unaffordable” can be true for one person, but not for another who makes ten times as much.
But sometimes the speaker means it literally. Something like 2+2=4 is asserted to be true for Billy but not for Bob. (And when it’s literal, it’s usually Bob saying it.) And in that sense, it’s nonsense, dangerous nonsense. There is ONE reality, and it exists independent of our desires and our perceptions. It would go on existing if we weren’t here. We exist in it. It does not exist in our heads. It’s not a personal construct, and it isn’t a social construct. If there were no society, reality would continue to be what it is, it wouldn’t vanish…which it would have to do, if it were a social construct.
Now what can change from person to person is the perception of reality. We see that all the time. And people will, of course, act on those perceptions. They will vote for Trump (or try to) if their perception is close to mine, and vote against Trump (and certainly succeed at doing so) if their perception is distant from mine (and therefore, if I do say so, wrong). I have heard people say “perception is reality” and usually, that’s what they’re trying to say–your perception of reality is, as far as you know, an accurate representation of reality, or you’d change it.
But I really wish they’d say it differently. And sometimes, to get back to Billy and Bob, the person who says they have different truths is really saying they have different perceptions of reality–different worldviews. I can’t argue with the latter. But I sure wish they’d say it better. That way I’d know that someone who blabbers about two different truths is delusional and not worth my time, at least not until he passes kindergarten-level metaphysics on his umpteenth attempt.
Lawyer Appeasement Section
OK now for the fine print.
This is the WQTH Daily Thread. You know the drill. There’s no Poltical correctness, but civility is a requirement. There are Important Guidelines, here, with an addendum on 20191110.
We have a new board – called The U Tree – where people can take each other to the woodshed without fear of censorship or moderation.
And remember Wheatie’s Rules:
1. No food fights
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
4. Zeroth rule of gun safety: Don’t let the government get your guns.
5. Rule one of gun safety: The gun is always loaded.
5a. If you actually want the gun to be loaded, like because you’re checking out a bump in the night, then it’s empty.
6. Rule two of gun safety: Never point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy.
7. Rule three: Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire.
8. Rule the fourth: Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)
(Paper) Spot Prices
Kitco “Ask” prices. Last week:
Gold $2,578.70
Silver $30.80
Platinum $1,004.00
Palladium $1,092.00
Rhodium $5,100.00
FRNSI* 123.745-
Gold:Silver 83.724+
This week, 3PM Mountain Time, markets have closed for the weekend.
Gold $2,622.40
Silver $31.24
Platinum $986.00
Palladium $1090.00
Rhodium $5,075.00
FRNSI* 125.859-
Gold:Silver 83.944-
Gold has now busted $2600. Silver is going up but not quite enough to keep up with gold (it’s worth slightly less in terms of gold than it was last week). Palladium jumped up then back down this last week, ending virtually unchanged. But platinum is sliding. Rhodium is essentially stable.
*The SteveInCO Federal Reserve Note Suckage Index (FRNSI) is a measure of how much the dollar has inflated. It’s the ratio of the current price of gold, to the number of dollars an ounce of fine gold made up when the dollar was defined as 25.8 grains of 0.900 gold. That worked out to an ounce being $20.67+71/387 of a cent. (Note gold wasn’t worth this much back then, thus much gold was $20.67 71/387ths. It’s a subtle distinction. One ounce of gold wasn’t worth $20.67 back then, it was $20.67.) Once this ratio is computed, 1 is subtracted from it so that the number is zero when the dollar is at its proper value, indicating zero suckage.
Piling On
Just an Observation
The latest flerfer complaint is that the Final Experiment (the trip to Antarctica to observe the 24 hour sun) won’t count because it’s not an experiment but rather an observation. WTF? Anyhow, in this video, among many things of interest such as the fact that other people will be taking sun pictures that day in order to test the effect of variables (which would make it an experiment!), it’s shown what a bunch of lying hypocrite charlatans they are for trying to make this argument:
And this one from a year ago where Dave McKeegan tells of plotting the positions of celestial bodies over the Earth’s surface…then translating that to the pizzaworld model.
Antarctica
Oh, and spring (for Antarctica; it will be fall for Northern Hemisphere folks) starts at 06:43 Mountain Time on the 22nd (Sunday). This is the moment when the sun, which appears to travel along the zodiac line (even though we are orbiting it), appears to cross the celestial equator, northbound. [The celestial equator is just our own equatorial plane, projected out to infinity in the sky. The zodiac is the plane of the Earth’s orbit about the sun, projected out to infinity in the sky.] That should be the nominal instant when more than half of the sun becomes visible at Amundsen-Scott station at the south pole. (However, refraction makes the sun appear higher in the sky than it otherwise would, when it’s near the horizon, so sunrise will be somewhat earlier than this for them–and has probably already happened.)
So wish the 40 or so people who have spent the last six months wintering over there in either twilight or complete darkness a good “morning”!
Oh, wait…this doesn’t exist, does it? It’s all CGI!
In which case let’s get our money’s worth out of all that CGI, since we paid for it with our tax money. Here are a couple of videos which are tours of the station. First, upstairs.
Downstairs:
And there’s a part three (out of 2?) for the bits buried under the ice (such as vehicle maintenance, the generators, the logistics area, and so on); largely stuff that can get cold.
Incidentally there are three generators, that rotate, one is generally undergoing maintenance, one is a backup, the other is the active one. If all three crap out, there’s another generator that might manage to keep one part of the the station above freezing, but were this sort of failure to happen during winter over, they’re basically dead. It’d be easier to get people off the ISS then out of Amundsen Scott during winter.
And here’s one for the Ice Cube neutrino observatory (you’ll recall discussions of the neutrino in my Sun article a couple of weeks ago as well as during the physics series, part 20):
Anyhow, I hope you all enjoyed all that expensive taxpayer-funded CGI.
The 800 lb Gorilla
Jupiter, as photographed by the Hubble Space Telescope in 2017. A true-color image.
The single most important fact about Jupiter is that it is BIG. How big? Well let’s compare it to Earth and the Moon:
By size it’s 11 times the width of Earth; by mass it’s 318 Earths. That’s over 2 1/2 times the mass of all other planets, asteroids, comets, etc., put together. Or to think of it another way, you can characterize the solar system as consisting of the Sun, Jupiter, and miscellaneous debris. (And even with that Jupiter is barely 1/1000 the mass of the Sun.) To put it in absolute terms, Jupiter is roughly 88,000 miles across; and even the Great Red Spot–which is storm in the atmosphere–would swallow the Earth.
Ironically, if Jupiter were somehow even more massive, it probably wouldn’t be much larger. The gas would simply compress more to make up for it. The maximum diameter might be a bit more than what we see, but not much. If it were 75 times more massive, it would actually be compressed enough to start fusing hydrogen…and it might actually be the size of Saturn; considerably smaller than its actual diameter.
Jupiter has four major moons, three of them larger than our Moon, plus another 91 smaller moons, generally too small to be forced into a spherical shape. Those four big moons are at least as interesting as Jupiter itself and will be covered in a different article.
Jupiter orbits at about 5.2 AU from the Sun (and I’m not going to explain AUs yet again). That makes its “year”–the time to make one orbit about the Sun–11.86 Earth years. It has almost no axial tilt, so it doesn’t have seasons to speak of.
This is significant: It’s beyond the “snow line.” This means that a lot of things that would normally be vapor inside the line–like water–are solid outside. Hydrogen and helium, the major constituents of the matter that formed the solar system, are considerably cooler and easier for planets to hang on to; and Jupiter did just that; that’s fundamentally why it is so big.
Jupiter rotates on its axis in 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 30 seconds. That’s considerably less time than it takes Earth to do so (23 hours, 56 minutes, 4 seconds…with respect to the stars). Combine that with the fact that it is 11 times wider, and it turns out that an object on the Jovian equator experiences 65 times the centrifugal (well…it’s actually centripetal) force as an object on Earth’s equator. Why does that matter? It makes Jupiter look distinctly oblate (squashed); the difference between the diameter through the poles and between the equator is actually noticeable.
Jupiter is made almost entirely of gas and (deep down, under insane amounts of pressure somewhere between 500 and 4,000 atmospheres) liquid metallic hydrogen. Yes, under extreme pressure hydrogen behaves like a metal, complete with metallic bonds. And deep inside is a rock and ice core, that all by itself is larger than Earth. The following diagram is a cutaway of Jupiter. The pressures down there could be as high as 40,000 atmospheres, and the temperature is likely around 20,000K (versus 165K (-163 F) near the visible “surface.”
Unsurprisingly the atmosphere is mostly hydrogen (roughly 3/4), helium (a bit less than 1/4), plus a bunch of simple molecules like water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), hydrogen sulfide (H2S), and even phosphine (PH3)…basically simple molecules made up of very common elements.
What we see is an “upper” cloud deck, but as it happens the light bands (called “zones”) are at a considerably higher altitude than the dark bands (called “belts”). The upper clouds made largely of ammonia ice are at a pressure of 0.6 – 0.9 Earth atmospheres, the lower visible clouds contain sulfur compounds as well as water ice and can be anywhere from 1-7 Earth atmospheres.
All of this implies that the atmosphere just above these clouds is already fairly thick, while being clear enough for us to see through.
That liquid metallic hydrogen has a significant consequence–Jupiter has a ridiculously huge magnetosphere. Since it captures charged particles, just like our Van Allen belts do here on Earth, that makes the entire Jovian system, including the Moons, very hazardous from a radiation standpoint. We can’t realistically send manned missions to Jupiter’s moons because of this, with the possible exception of the outermost of the large moons. It’s shaped something like a tadpole, with the head facing the Sun and the tail pointing away from the Sun. I haven’t been able to nail down the diameter of the magnetosphere, but it extends some 7 million kilometers towards the Sun, and the tail nearly reaches Saturn’s orbit. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere_of_Jupiter
Like the Sun, Jupiter exhibits differential rotation, with belts and zones rotating at different speeds and vortices (including spots) showing up a lot on the boundaries. Here is a GIF made from a timelapse of Jupiter rotating as seen from Voyager I in the 1980s. The pictures are all taken at times when the Great Red Spot in the same orientation with respect to to the spacecraft, so you can see other features, which rotate at different speeds, change position with respect to the Great Red Spot.
Herding Cats
Jupiter’s great mass means that it often deflects smaller bodies in the solar system like comets and asteroids. Many comets have an orbital period that suggests that an encounter with Jupiter put the comet into that orbit in the first place. And Jupiter has even taken a bullet or two, most recently in 1995. The comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 was discovered having already broken into pieces thanks to tidal forces (yes, tidal forces show up again!) from Jupiter; it then was realized that Shoemaker Levy was going to impact Jupiter! What a spectacle! (And how good it was for us that it was Jupiter taking the brunt of that, not Earth!)
It wasn’t just a spectacle; the comet left “holes” in Jupiter’s atmosphere that allowed deeper material to come up to the surface where we could analyze the light with spectroscopes and learn more about Jupiter’s interior.
Jupiter is generally credited with reducing the amount of stuff that rains down on Earth from elsewhere in the Solar System.
History
Jupiter has been known since ancient times; it is generally the third brightest object in the night sky after the Moon and Venus. Since it is so bright and moves through the sky at a fairly stately pace, it got associated with the king of the gods, Zeus or in Latin, Jupiter.
It’s one of the ancient seven planets, each of which was associated with a metal, and each of which ended up associated with a day of the week. These are: Sun, gold, Sunday; Moon, silver, Monday; Mercury, mercury, Wednesday; Venus, copper, Friday; Mars, iron, Tuesday; Jupiter, tin, Thursday; and Saturn, lead, Saturday. And yes, the Sun and Moon were considered planets back then because they moved against the celestial sphere; the recent kerfuffle with Pluto is not the first time we’ve reclassified things. Many of our days of the week are named after Norse gods, but if you go to languages like Spanish, French or Italian, you’ll see the connections between days of the week and our planetary names (which, like those languages, are legacies of the Romans) more readily.
It’s a lucky coincidence that Jupiter turned out to be the king, not of the gods, but rather of the planets once we learned a lot more about it. This began mere months after we first turned telescopes to the sky; In 1610 Galileo noted four tiny “stars” near Jupiter, and could see the pattern change nightly, even over just a few hours. These turned out to be the four big moons of Jupiter (larger or comparable to our own moon).
The four big moons are to this day known as the Galilean moons, and you can spot them with binoculars. I said I’d cover them another time but there are a couple of points I want to make. First, when Galileo discovered them and realized they were orbiting Jupiter, that killed the centuries-old presumption that everything in the universe revolved around the Earth. (And if that wasn’t enough the phases of Venus put the final nail in the coffin, as they showed Venus revolved around the Sun.)
And our view of the universe was never the same again. That dinky telescope of Galileo’s (which is on display at a museum in Florence) is arguably one of the two most important telescopes in history for this reason. (The other being the 100 inch Hooker telescope that Hubble used.)
Second was their use in navigation. Galileo realized almost immediately that the moons’ motions were very regular; such that one could work up a time table and be able to tell absolute time with some accuracy here on Earth, provided you could see Jupiter and point a small telescope at it. Why was that a big deal? Because if you’re sailing a ship, the only way you can determine your longitude is by knowing what time it is in an absolute sense, or at least compared to some other location. For instance, if it’s noon in Greenwich, it’s about 7 AM in Washington DC….or perhaps some other spot in the middle of the ocean directly south of Washington DC. If you know both items of information; that the sun says it’s 7AM but it’s noon in Greenwich, England right now, you can figure out you are at 75 degrees west longitude. The problem was, they had no way of knowing what time it was in London at that same instant. We didn’t have anything like an accurate clock we could just set to London time (and never adjust it) to compare the local time to. But, we could look at Jupiter; if the moons were in the position for 3AM, you knew, regardless what time it was where you were at, that it was 3AM where the time tables were made. So you have a means of determining longitude.
But there was a fly in the ointment; it turns out that after painstakingly computing the table, it wouldn’t work well after a few months; the moons might get to their predicted position a bit early or a bit late. It turns out that the problem wasn’t with the computations, it was with the fact that sometimes Earth is a bit further from Jupiter, sometimes a bit closer, and so we were being thrown off by the light speed delay changing from one position to the other (light can take about 17 minutes to cross Earth’s orbit from one end to the other, and that’s about how much our distance to Jupiter varies). 17 minutes corresponds to about four degrees of longitude which in turn is 240 nautical miles if you’re near the equator. That’s a significant error!
We’ve also discovered that Jupiter has a very tenuous ring, a far cry from Saturn’s ring system, but there nonetheless.
Spacecraft
Jupiter is visited often by our spacecraft, not only for its own sake but because it’s a good waypoint for other missions; it’s often used for a gravity assist. The New Horizons probe to Pluto used a gravity assist from Jupiter to shorten its flight time by about five years (it could have got there without the assist, which in itself is remarkable).
The first probes were Pioneer 10 and 11 in 1973 and 1974. It was the Pioneer spacecraft that discovered Jupiter’s magnetosphere. (Pioneer 11 went on to Saturn). In 1979 Voyager 1 and 2 paid a visit, these spacecraft both went on to Saturn and one of them went on to Hugh Janus and Neptune.
Ulysses, which was a mission to study the sun, flew by Jupiter in 1992 and again in 2004. Why send a solar probe away from the sun to Jupiter? Because we wanted to put the probe in a highly inclined orbit so we could see the Sun’s north and south poles for the first time. The easiest way to do that was to send Ulysses past Jupiter’s north pole and let Jupiter bend the orbit into the new plane, some 80 degrees off from the main plane of the solar system. (Jupiter will bend your trajectory no matter what, but if we approach Jupiter so as to pass the pole, the trajectory will be bent outside of the plane of the planets’ orbits.) If we hadn’t done that we’d have needed a gigantic delta-V to cancel out Earth’s motion around the sun (which the spacecraft would “inherit”), then more to put the spacecraft into its new orbit around the sun. Ulysses took these opportunities to study Jupiter’s magnetosphere.
Cassini flew by in 2000, on its way to Saturn.
Flybys are great, but an orbiter is better. We sent the Galileo orbiter to Jupiter, with it arriving in 1995 and sending back data, including from close encounters with the four Galilean moons, until 2003. Galileo was well timed–when comet Shoemaker-Levy impacted Jupiter Galileo was approaching the system and took some amazing pictures of the aftermath of the event (the impacts were unfortunately on the far side). Galileo came with an atmospheric probe, too, that was dropped into Jupiter’s atmosphere on a suicide mission to return data for as long as it could withstand the rapidly-increasing pressure. In 2016, Juno, a European spacecraft, arrived at Jupiter, establishing itself in a highly elliptical and inclined orbit which means that once every orbit it gets very close to the clouds, and it passes over the poles, which otherwise we’d never see. Juno is still active.
Life?
Jupiter is sometimes cited as a possible location for life. In this case, since it’s essentially atmosphere down to depths where the pressure is crushing, the life forms are generally imagined as creatures with huge bladders filled with atmospheric gas…basically living hot air balloons. This idea got kicked around a lot, including by science fiction writers (like Arthur C. Clarke; a much more recent story told of Jovians’ reactions to Shoemaker-Levy 9).
All of this is complete speculation, of course, and I think as we’ve learned more about the rest of the solar system, we’ve come up with better candidates. But in the end we probably don’t know enough to even intelligently decide which scenario is most likely.
Come on, silver. You can make it.
For some historical perspective, the gold:silver ratio was 15 in 1834 when we last set our coinage up on the presumption that both silver and gold coins were to be worth their face value. We specified our coinage such that a dollar in silver had 15 times as much silver in it (after subtracting alloy) than a dollar’s worth of gold. (The ratio was actually 14.5 in 1792 when we wrote our original coinage law…which eventually caused problems; the market shift caused almost all of our early gold to be melted down because comparatively the coins were worth more melted down than they were worth as coins.)
We broke the link in 1853 when silver rose against gold, by lowering the silver content of our silver coins…but deliberately we lowered it too much. It was, from that point on, the mint’s job to not over-issue silver coins since they essentially had to be backed by gold from that point forward. We had gone from a bimetallic standard to a pure gold standard. (If they issued too many silver coins, people would start turning them in for gold coinage and there’d be a run on gold.)
I learned a new term, flerfer, and a lot about Jupiter.
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA26350
A viewpoint we can never get from Earth, and a spectacular picture.
First, we only see the lit side of Jupiter because it’s farther away from the Sun than we are. Perhaps a tiny sliver of the dark side when we and Jupiter are 90 degrees apart in our orbits as seen from the Sun; but it’s dark and we won’t notice.
Second we’re obviously well outside of Jupiter’s equatorial plane here, and that never happens from Earth, Jupiter’s axial tilt is about 2 degrees and we’re close to the plane of its orbit at all times.
Not a lot of thinking going on inside that thought cloud…
Just little fragments of “Hate Trump” and “Hate Citizens”….
There’s an echo in there.
Branco’s got it right!
TRUMP published his Agenda 47 Platform early in the campaign!
Agenda 47 – https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47
GOP PLATFORM – 2024
RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS TO THE GOP PLATFORM:
– Punish treason, child rape, child trafficking, drug trafficking and murder with capital punishment.
– Revisit Sullivan vs NYT and make news reliable again.
– Limit income for elected officials to salary. No more bribes, selling out America to foreign and big money interests.
– No foreign ownership of US land and business.
– Social Security goes only to those who pay into it – no social security checks for illegals or non-citizens.
– Tariffs on imported goods to pay into social security.
– Limit welfare to citizens in real need – none for those who refuse to work – and make community volunteer work, such as picking up trash in the neighborhood, public streets, etc., a requirement for those receiving benefits.
– Mandatory tubal ligation or vasectomy sterilization for those who father or birth more than one illegitimate child on welfare.
– BALANCED BUDGET!!! NO MORE deficit spending!
CAN YOU THINK OF ANY MORE?
– Social Security goes only to those who pay into it – no social security checks for illegals or non-citizens. OR US CITIZENS WHO ARE ABLE TO WORK BUT NEVER HAVE! AKA GRIFTERS.
Rightfully, Kakala rates a few flies.
AND a much larger height of the platforms differential 🙂
Not sure what to think about this because of the potential for misuse:
Texas Standoff Showdown: Crime-Fighting Robot Outsmarts Suspect, Dodges Bullet, Teargasses Gunman, and Pins Him to the Ground
So this was the guy the droid was looking for.
😂 👍 👍 😂
“Not sure what to think about this because of the potential for misuse:”
_____________
It’s not a potential, it’s a guarantee.
The only question is how much time it will take.
This!
Slow Guy figures they could have lobbed a tear gas in without the expensive robot.
Quicker, easier, couple dollars.
Gotta justify increased budgets, staff to operate and transport robot and maintain robot.
“She wants answers.”
_____________
I’m sure the gov’t will get right on that.
Dark forces on the internet tried to confuse the story claiming it was Havana Syndrome. Countless claims to that, as if somehow some one could get a micro waving device into rally and target just that small corner of the rally and not bother to target Trump, but they kept persisting to cloud the issue that it was a chemical attack.
Wonder if they’ve identified the chemical, delivery…
Who in that section was not injured. Immediate exit path and surroundings.
Tucson PD or Trump’s folks investigating? Feds won’t do shit.
Initially I leapt to bad guy(s) missed Trump. Now thinking intimidate Trump supporters.
I think I read that Trump’s people wanted answers, so I hope they are investigating.
Ok, we gotta figure this out. HOW in the world was a chemical attack carried out in that space, that only affected this small group of people in one area of the space?
A) Something they all touched (something sprayed on their seats?)
B) Something that only touched them (this seems hard to do)
C) Something sprayed on them as they came in, or as they left
D) Something else?
I read this:
“One of the attendees, Mayra Rodriguez, told the outlet, “As soon as we left and we stepped outside, my eyes were burning.” After driving home from the rally, her eye irritation became so painful that she quickly went to a local emergency room.”
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2024/09/video-suspected-chemical-attack-leaves-trump-supporters-with-mysterious-eye-injuries-report/
That might mean someone got them as they were leaving. Did they leave in a group?
I don’t know. I thought it more likely this was done with microwaves or a laser. They were trying to get Trump, but the bulletproof glass shielded him. The group was on Trump’s right. If someone was on his left aiming at him, they could have gotten the group instead.
Likely someone administering a mist from the crowd below them or the lone white guy standing behind them in the corner. I don’t think the microwave thing leaves chemical burns and such devices I don’t think are small enough to be used covertly. I’d think that the laser idea would likely cause immediate reaction for which there was none. Also some reported skin irritations in addition to eye problems.
Getting misted on the way out is also likely.
Only thing that makes sense…sprayed as they exited their unique seating area.
That was interesting. The only people affected had been on the stage for the entire 3+ hours. Some who had only been there an hour were not affected.
People who wore contact lenses and glasses were not affected.
The Trump campaign has been fielding complaints and the reporter assumes they are spearheading an investigation.
In case your image doesn’t show for anyone else, via Gab
Unique seating area.
Happened after rally ended.
Exit for these folks unique to all other rally goers and Trump.
Their initial exit path was hit with an aerosol. Whatever delivery system used, was immediately removed.
No one would be focused on such a thing. Likely never to be found.
Hopefully there is video, not taped over of the immediate area, path they exited. And, they need to figure out the chemical used. Seems like it would have to be near odorless as an aerosol.
By the time Tucson PD and Trump organization alerted, area may have been sanitized a bit.
Sounds about right.
“As soon as we left and we stepped outside, my eyes were burning.”
Could it have been something that was triggered by the sunlight outside? At least one of the injured had problems with opening her eyes where the light significantly aggravated the symptoms for some days, fwiw…
May be.
Pupils dilated from the onset. Get outside in Tucson sun…sensitive to sunlight.
Thank you for bringing this.
Yours Truly stands by what she posited regarding this dreadful situation:
“targeted release of chemical / biological agent via aerosol.”
Which ** may ** have been intended as a “warning” to Latinos — “Watch your back if you’re going to vote for Trump in November.”
So much for a free press (but we all knew this).
“One producer told me it would be career death to question vaccines….”
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I don’t know if it would be career death, but a lot of people would probably razz you about it, if you tried to question a vaccine.
It’s like trying to question viruses. Obviously you can’t hear them answer, their mouths are too little.
scott457
On the other hand, it can be “career death” if a physician questions anything about the “official information” on COVID-19 and the COVID-19 “vaccines” — let alone doing anything to disseminate the truth about them.
Truth is the ultimate defense.
That may not be much comfort, but it’s all we ever have.
So what else can you do?
If I’m a doctor, and the doctors before me allowed a system of accreditation to be created, such that a tyrannical few held power over all doctors in the USA, and the accreditation system went full-Hitler, what can I do?
I have bills to pay, student loans to pay, I’ve invested at least 7 years and maybe 10+ in education to get to my position, I’m not feeling much like starting over doing something unrelated to the field I spent the last 7-10+ years preparing for, and even if I did, the student loans are still there.
Not to mention that little oath thingy, that people thought was so important, ever since Hippocrates — which btw, is not Greek for Hypocrite.
So what can I do?
Truth is all we have.
There are (by now) multiple credible, peer-reviewed studies on covid vax, HCQ and IVM. There have been multiple, credible doctors, since almost the beginning (e.g. Zev Zelensky who alerted DJT) who have been speaking out.
So you stand on the truth.
I can make a credible argument that the covid vaxx is causing harm that is orders of magnitude higher than the least amount of acceptable harm in the history of medicine. I don’t have to go into WHY that is, or the motives behind the vaccine makers (no matter how badly I might want to), or anything else, just that the vaxx is hurting hundreds of thousands (or millions, worldwide?) of people, and killing a ridiculous percentage of people.
I can make a credible argument that Remdesivir and ventilators are no more effective than propeller beanies and rabbit’s feet, backed up by at least one military study that has been posted here before.
I can make a credible argument that HCQ works, and IVM works even better, with peer-reviewed studies to back both of them up.
I can make a rational case, acknowledging the relationship between insurance companies and hospitals and incentives, while also noting that when the truth comes out, the last thing in the world the hospitals and insurance companies and everyone else involved are going to be thinking about is the money they made from this genocidal fraud.
I have taken an oath to do no harm. I have an ethical obligation to my patients and to my profession. I have eyes to see and ears to hear. The science, as well as all rational thinking, point to the vaxx being insanely dangerous, while cheap, widely available alternatives are available.
My job is to treat patients and make them well, and I have been put in a position where I am being coerced to harm and murder my patients on a scale that would make Mengele blush.
You, the certification board, may be able to live with that on your conscience, but I won’t.
So we’re going to blow this whole thing up, just as big as it needs to be, until you back off, because I’m not even a murder, much less a mass-murderer.
Dammit Jim, I’m a doctor, not a final solution.
So if you don’t back off, I will gladly testify against all of you in federal court and at Nuremberg II. In fact, I’m looking forward to it, and I will be presenting a recording of this meeting as part of my testimony.
So you do what you’re going to do, and I’ll do what I’m going to do, and since I already know you are captured by the medical industrial complex or we wouldn’t be having this discussion, I’ll see you in court.
I’m going to sue this hospital, the insurance companies, this medical certification board and each one of you individually for back pay, legal fees, damage to my reputation, pain and suffering, and whatever else my team of attorneys can think of.
And it won’t be just me, it will be every doctor I can recruit whose conscience hasn’t already been destroyed by your corrupt system.
You people are out of your minds, and the whole world is going to know about it, and if there is any justice in this world, the best you can hope for is life in prison without parole.
But I wouldn’t count on it.
Then walk out.
Brilliant! TY for this articulation of how we wish it would be!
I just don’t know how else to play it.
If I’m backed into a corner, it simplifies everything. It removes all the shades of gray, and just leaves black and white, right and wrong, good and evil.
That takes all the pressure off, makes the decisions easy 🙂
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I was hoping you caught that Star Trek reference I tossed in there 😁
my favorite part! 😍
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“One producer told me it would be career death to question vaccines….”
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So did you just take his word for it, or did you challenge him?
You see the problem, don’t you?
If everybody’s producers tell them it’s career death to question vaccines, so nobody does it, then the producers just created an imaginary world that you consented to. You’re living in fear of the unknown, and it’s controlling your career.
Conversely, if everybody did their job, and questioned the vaccines just like they should question anything else, then nobody’s career could be adversely affected, because they can’t fire everybody for doing their job.
The public wouldn’t stand for it, it would be untenable.
So it’s really just a matter of competence.
Anyone who didn’t question the vaccines is not competent to be in the news business.
That Jupiter gif is pretty mesmerizing 😍 The contradictory motions of aspects of the atmosphere are fascinating & seemingly inexplicable, though I’d guess you’d have some explanations, Steve. Do those (or somewhat similar) atmospheric disturbances also happen on Earth? Would any of that be the “Coriolis effect” (not that I exactly recall what That might be)?
I brought the gif so it’s closer by in case any explanations might be forthcoming 😉
The short answer is yes, similar bands of wind occur on earth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevailing_winds
A slightly longer answer involves a bit of a thought experiment. Let’s say you were at the North rotational pole of the earth — and, further, that it were nicely covered in ice so we can do things without falling off the edge of the icecap.
If you were standing right at the pole, holding a balloon, for 24 hours, the balloon would be moving at 0 miles per hour (although it would rotate once). If you marched 50 miles from the pole, the balloon would travel roughly 314 miles in that 24 hours, or roughly 14 miles per hour. The circumference of the earth at the equator is about 24,900 miles, which conveniently would make the speed of a balloon down there about 1,040 miles per hour. If you had a line of balloons stretching from the pole to the equator, you’d have an ordered bunch of speeds from 0 to 1040 mph.
If you removed the balloons and considered air masses along the same line, they’d initially have the same speeds as they had while inside the balloons….but they’d naturally interact. Groups of air masses would try to travel in a “pack” with other air masses of a like speed — I’m sure that 960 mph and 1040 mph would get along fine. OTOH, if their speeds were too unlike, the air masses could never mix and mingle — 960 mph air wouldn’t get along with 600 mph air — and so distinct bands of air movement would form.
That’s essentially what is seen on Jupiter. Huge bands of wind perpetually blowing at various latitudes.
Of course, Steve will explain it better, but that won’t be until tomorrow.
When you were in school, I bet the low IQ kids hated you. 😂
I can attest to that phenomenon.
Cooth was, is, “special”. 
But not the “short bus” kind of “special.”
Not to worry — I made up for it with my athletic prowess.
(After I skipped second grade, I was always significantly smaller than my classmates — the runt of the class, as it were. Being perpetually the last pick for a team gave me a lot of free time, however.)
I was in good company. Also picked last. Only without the brains. 
I bet the low IQ adults hate him now!
Mostly, they just think I’m a goofball.
They just don’t “get” you…plus if they took the time to think about it they’d be jealous to boot 😉
All that is true.
Another complicating factor is convection. On Earth we have three major convection cells in each hemisphere, one running from 0-30 latitude, the next from 30-60, and another from 60-90. Air rises at 0 and 60, and sinks at 90 and 30. Once that air at 90 and 30 reaches the ground, it has to move towards the other places to replace the air that’s rising at 60 and 0. So depending on your latitude the prevailing wind will be coming either from the north or south, and Coriolis forces will bend it.
Jupiter’s zones and bands are caused by the atmosphere rising and falling due to convection, only there are a lot more cells on Jupiter. (Jupiter is still a net source of heat thanks to residual heat from its formation, gas lower down warms up and rises. This is probably something I should have explained in the post. The problem is, I am all too aware of how much I leave out of the posts so I’m never really satisfied that I’ve put in enough. But this I really should have put in.)
Wow. That surely connected dots for me here on Earth. Stuff I simply had no clue. Three convection cells, one in each hemisphere. Simplistic (not dart tossing) answers that unknown here.
Jupiter also makes sense.
Bonus picture:
http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1400/FIG07_006.jpg
From this I get that those boundaries aren’t fixed and a lot of winter “cold front” weather is simply the 60 degree boundary wandering further south.
And another:
The wind lines curving is due to Coriolis effect.
Hope this lets your image show here in case anyone else can’t see it 🙂 TY for finding it for it’s very cool!!!
But this I really should have put in
That’s why asterisks exist.
TY Cthulhu, I’ll keep reading the conversation to see how your well presented thoughts have sparked further insights.
fwiw, to me, at least some of those Jupiter wind bands appear to be flowing in opposite directions, beyond the equatorial zones, which sort of would make sense (to me) in regards to equatorial wind directions at least. It got me wondering if earthly hurricane development, that mostly seems to flow West across the Atlantic from Africa & then shift once it hits Caribbean regions sometimes S, or SW, or even SE, or mostly W, or N, or NE, or NW…complicated business.
On Jupiter it appears that the flow around the Big Red Spot (I forget it’s “real” name) is pretty complex, & therefore a bit confusing 🙂
I would not assume that the bands flowing in opposite directions relative to each other indicate that the bands are flowing in opposite directions relative to the planet’s surface. That said, Steve’s additional information on convection cells is a major addition to the story.
Hurricanes indeed form at the juncture of wind bands (which is why they appear in the middle latitudes west of northern Africa).
IIRC (and there’s no guarantee that I do), it’s the “Great Red Spot” — so you were about 97% of the way there. You do have to be impressed that Jupiter has a permanent hurricane so large you could drop the earth into the middle of it.
Good Stuff. So Big Red is a permanent hurricane…Yikes!
Great Red Spot is correct.
None of the bands flows “backwards”. It looks that way here because the pictures are taken so that the Great Red Spot is always in the same place. Things that rotate around the planet slower than that will therefore appear to be going backwards.
And yes the GRS has been there for centuries…at least. Basically it has been visible since we first had telescopes powerful enough to see it, so who knows how long it has been around.
So I’m seeing Relative motion that keeps making me think opposite flow directions…hmmm
But the red arrows on the globe (not atmosphere) appear to be showing opposite flow patterns. What am I missing (not the comprehensive list which might take a lifetime LOL, just the basics)???
The quick answer is that the red arrows are the airflow on the bottom of the air cells.
I’m talking about the ones over the map parts of the globe
The arrows show the direction with respect to the ground. The ground is rotating, but people standing on the ground don’t feel it, they just feel the winds blowing from the NE or SW, depending.
If you were to take a “God’s Eye View” (stationary above the Earth while the Earth rotates below you) the air AND the land would both be moving eastward, FAST (hundreds of miles per hour). But the where the arrows point southwest, the air won’t be moving eastward quite as fast as the ground is (and it will be moving southwards, too, but again not as fast as the ground is moving eastward). When the arrows point northeast, the air actually moves eastward a bit faster than the ground.
Thanks…That makes sense! I was just thinking of the airflow, not the land motion too 🙁
Sorry. I thought, when you asked your question about flowing backwards, that you were looking at the GIF of Jupiter rotating. My answer doesn’t make any sense if you’re not so please disregard.
Well that’s also what I was thinking when I look at that gif… 🙂
Weather. Wind on Earth. Various shifting jet streams. Slow Guy view. Surely more to it.
Weather starts out fairly simple then becomes very messy and complicated. I wrote a reply to Cthulhu you might want to read…but the long and short of it is, I missed a chance to talk about convection here.
TY Kalbo I Always appreciate your bottom line takes to things!
“Jupiter orbits at about 5.2 AU from the Sun (and I’m not going to explain AUs yet again).”
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Those are gold units, right?
And then there’s a certain number of AGs per AU…..
Yep, the AG to AU ratio.
I knew I was right 👍 😁
I’ll just say, ARG.
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Back in the day, the US Treasury included a bunch of AU. Sadly, that was abandoned long ago, which is why people now say that we need more sunlight in our government finances.
Ironically, AU and AG are both abbreviations for grades. About Uncirculated (just shy of being completely uncirculated), and About Good, (just shy of being Good…and Good isn’t very good).
Another thing is coin people tend to abbreviate silver Ar, not Ag, and I catch a lot of crap for using Ag. (And copper is Ae from Latin Aes,) Back in the days when black and white photography was much cheaper to print than color and no one wanted to pay the extra expense, coin pictures would often be labeled AV (combined as a ligature; can’t find it) or AE (same, this one Unicode has: Æ), when they weren’t silver and it wasn’t obvious.
YOU ARE GOING TO WANT TO HEAR THIS.
I live in Los Angeles, in a very liberal, mostly Jewish neighborhood. My next door neighbor is a Jewish woman in her 50s, goes to a Reform Temple (known for being very liberal politically), and had a Hillary and Biden bumper sticker on her car for years.
We’ve never talked about politics before. We usually just say hello and have a nice day. Today we started chatting and she actually said, “I am a lifelong Democrat. And I am NOT voting for Kamala Harris. I say this as a Jewish, liberal woman. I don’t know how you’re voting, but I am worried about what’s going on in the world.”
I was ABSOLUTELY shocked. I always thought I was alone in my support for Trump, especially where I live. I told her how I agree, and how my top issues are antisemitism, Israel, and the economy. I think she felt relieved knowing that she is not alone either.
To make a long story short, if a very liberal Jewish woman in LA is openly coming out against Kamala, you know there is a MAJOR political shift taking place in the American Jewish community.
It’s good that there was no need for an EMT visit.
So, I encountered an article that annoyed me…..
https://hotair.com/stephen-moore/2024/09/20/when-it-comes-to-tech-policy-biden-and-harris-put-america-last-n3794754
The guy’s thesis is that tech giants shouldn’t be monitored for monopolistic behavior because prices are going down.
One scarcely knows where to begin. Let’s start with the “broken window theory” (also popular with hurricanes and wars) — economies prosper when a window is broken because a glazier has to mend the window, and will take a lunch break at the sandwich shop, and buy glass from the glassmaker and gas from the petroleum refiner, and all this economic behavior becomes prosperity.
This was thoroughly debunked by Frederic Bastiat in 1850 in his essay, “That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen.” In it, Bastiat notes that it is easy to see the glazier and the sandwich shop; but when the shopkeeper hires someone to mend his window, he doesn’t buy his wife a new dress, he doesn’t expand his wares for sale, and he doesn’t pay off his delivery truck — these things being invisible. Society doesn’t prosper from digging its way out of a hole; the economy doesn’t benefit from retracing the construction of a window to no new purpose.
This is a masterpiece of Classical Economics — http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html
But let us go further into the notion of monopoly. There is a thing known as “economics of scale” which deal with the cost of the next thing after you build the last one. If, for instance, you find a fine clay deposit and desire to make bricks, you will find the economics of scale favor making more and more bricks faster and faster, until you start encountering the edges of your clay deposit and need to spend more time cutting out roots and rinsing out rocks.
Many industries have strong enough economics of scale to encourage “natural monopolies”. Railways, telephone networks, steel mills, microprocessors, social media companies….in each case, the provider’s cost to satisfy one more customer is far-and-away less than a would-be competitor’s cost to satisfy a first customer. Given these massively lowered costs, prices can most assuredly go down while the monopoly becomes a leviathan. This can easily be seen…..
But, then, what cannot be seen? What hidden social costs and economic drags lie hidden in the growth of a modern monopolist?
“…Given these massively lowered costs, prices 👉can👈 most assuredly go down while the monopoly becomes a leviathan….”
The operative word is CAN because you can bet prices DO NOT GO DOWN. Once you have a monopoly you can raise the prices to just below what a start up business would have to charge. If you can then use some of that ‘excess’ money to BUY politicians and get regulations passed that increase the hurdles a new business must leap, even better.
And, yeah the ‘Broken Window Fallacy’ should be taught to every high school student.
A classic example is RECYCLED PLASTIC:
Think of a polymer molecule as a spaghetti noodle. Each time the recycled plastic goes thru an extruder or blow molder the heat breaks some of those molecules thus weakening the plastic.
I have muck buckets that I still use that are over 30 years old. They live outside in the sun. I have purchased new ones too. The last one did not even make it a year before breaking. Now multiply that by ALL the plastic in use that ALSO has a life of about a year or two instead of 10 or 20 years….
The prices for many things can — and will — most assuredly decline in many cases. Look at the price per megabyte of offline storage, for instance…..the price of floppy disks declined rapidly as manufacturers were forced out of the market, and software companies started releasing on CDs. Only after CDs became popular and demand for floppies declined did their price go up drastically.
Similarly, CD-R/W were getting cheaper, until DVDs came along and dramatically cut demand and the prices went up for CDs. Now SD cards and thumbdrives are getting cheaper.
The name of the game for budding monopolists used to be to capture the market and milk it unmercifully once captured. The new game is to squash current competition so that you get a seat in the NEXT market. It’s like everything is a loss-leader…..
But that gets us back to tech. Google gave away search so it could monetize people. Apple puts out hardware so that it can collect fees from users. The stuff they purport to sell gets cheaper and cheaper, while the invisible consequences of their selling stuff get more and more valuable and threatening.
As far as plastics go, it’s not so much that they’re made of recycled crap — after all, your older good ones were made out of random goo extracted from the ground. It’s that corners are being cut on their manufacture. The recycled stuff isn’t cracked back to crude-oil-level goo, because that’s expensive. When it’s all put back together and squirted into a mold, it isn’t the high-quality stuff with a bunch of cross-links between the polymer chains, it’s the cheapest crap they can synthesize. Then the molds are thinner and they skimp on the UV protection — because that’s what their competition is doing and that’s what they have to do to sell ’em at Home Depot for $6 instead of $15.
I worked in the industry and did the tensile strength testing. We found the MAX amount of re-grind that could be added to virgin plastic was 10%. Now with the post-consumer plastic flooding the market the amount of re-processed is well above that 10%.
You are correct about the UV stabilizers. (I used to work for the guy who had the first patent) Carbon Black is a very good stabilizer so that is what you would buy for long life. But now they use black to hide all the different colors and it is one of the worst colors to pick.
Re-grind is mere physical processing. They could crack the recycled plastics back down to hydrocarbons and build them back up to polymers — it’s just energy-intensive and expensive — and the new buckets would be like old ones.
Re-grind is the material that went thru the extruder once. It is the trimmings & didn’t meet spec crap. It gets ground up and added to the virgin pellets. So the molecules of the regrind see heat TWICE. thus a certain amount of those molecules will break.
We would do Melt Flow Index (MFI) testing on the material. This is how we determined that 10% regrind was the maximum we could add. MFI is a quick way to approximate the molecular weight (Polymer chain length) If we added over 10% the MFI would go out of specification (shorter time to flow thru the barrel) indicating those molecules were getting chopped up.
You could cheat by using a lot more regrind plus a grade of virgin pellets that would give you the ‘correct’ melt flow, but the other characteristics like tensile strength would be off.
Maybe try to find new buckets from a industrial supply source rather than retail.
I just used that as an example because I know I bought those old buckets in MA before I moved here. Therefore I know they are 30+ years old.
Just to be clear, I’m talking about something like this — https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/vaporizing-plastics-recycles-them-into-nothing-but-gas/ — not grinding up old plastics to run them through extruders again.
Another thing working in favor of the tech giants is “network effect” and the following two examples will illustrate it from different aspects.
It’s far easier to use the same product as other people, because your files will be compatible when you share them. Hence Micro$haft Orifice being dominant.
And with things like Faceborg, you’re more likely to find your real life friends there already; since the purpose is to interact with them, you’re going to end up on Faceborg if you do that sort of thing at all. It’s a case of whoever reaches a critical mass first will end up capturing the market.
I should set up backup groups on other platforms and share them with my family. They are all on FB, so I go there to exchange news with family and in-person friends and colleagues. They also use FB Marketplace and search there to find things locally that they want to buy.
Oh, this gift just keeps on getting better —
Far cry from the few deaths Pravda reports. Not surprised. Lots of them bled out, I’m sure.
Absolute crippling effect on Hezbollah leadership, management, command structure…
I spose they’ll recover, but not soon. Huge mistakes will be made in the short term. Israel positioned to listen, observe and pounce.
ME endless wars rolls on.
Hezbollah missiles fired on Israel turn back to their origin. Russia needs to do that to Zelensky.
The absolute best thing this did, in my opinion, is to return the “terror” to the terrorists.
Be afraid. Be afraid every time you pick up a phone, a pager, a walkie-talkie or a damned e-reader. Be afraid to go to a meeting, for fear you will be blown up. Be afraid, you assholes.
It’s interesting how some people here seem not to like what happened.
Well, it’s hard. I think, jeez, I’m supposed to be Christian and kind and all. But I’m currently reading the Old Testament. Sometimes God lets His people kill a whole bunch of people.
These guys have been relentlessly trying to destroy Israel for decades, and doing so in underhanded ways, targeting non-combatants, etc., etc.
Israel is justified in striking back, IMHO.
In mine, as well.
Sometimes God ORDERS the Hebrews to kill ALL the population along with their livestock.
And punishes them if they fail to kill EVERYTHING.
And good ol’ Clint sez, “Some people just need killing.”
This has actually caused a bit of a donnybrook between William Lane Craig and a number of YouTube atheists; WLC claims the absolute genocide of whatever city it was (Ai?) was justified and many of the atheists simply find it appalling that he tries to justify it.
That’s true. And if they don’t obey God, it bites them right in the tuchus.
It happens that yesterday I finished reading a book that looks at this from the perspective of the cultures at the time of the writing of these passages from the Bible. I think it will offer a way of looking at the wars in the Old Testament in a different light. I include just the first paragraph of the preface of this book to give you an opportunity to determine if it is the kind of material you might find interesting. Personally, I found the perspective to be something I had never considered.
This book began, as all academic books should, as a conversation. My theologian son (J. Harvey) and I (John) were discussing the problem that people have today with the conquest of Canaan. “Is God some kind of moral monster that he would commit or condone genocide?” This has indeed become a major thorn in the flesh for many Christians … and not only because the skeptics of the world have positioned it as the major indictment against the Bible, the God of the Bible, and Christians who take the Bible seriously. It has also become a catalyst for Christians to begin to doubt the Bible, doubt their God, and doubt their faith. As I listened to my son’s thoughts, I realized that he was formulating solutions that I had not encountered before as he brought new perspectives into the issue. He was building on the foundational work that I have done on the nature of law in the ancient world and in the Bible, and on the covenant, as well as using hermeneutical methods that I have taught. But then he was following them through to their logical conclusions to craft an overall understanding of what is going on in the conquest. I found it refreshing and paradigm shifting. It reshaped the conversation for me, as I hope it will for readers.
John H. Walton and J. Harvey Walton, The Lost World of the Israelite Conquest: Covenant, Retribution, and the Fate of the Canaanites (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic: An Imprint of InterVarsity Press, 2017), ix.
That does sound interesting! I will look for it.
This. They control people and nations through fear.
True story.
Same as gangs, thugs…
I’ve been thinking of re-reading “Stand On Zanzibar”, but my copy is packed away.
This review doesn’t help — https://themillions.com/2013/03/the-weird-1969-new-wave-sci-fi-novel-that-correctly-predicted-the-current-day.html
The novel is de-structured into segments with various titles, like “Tracking With Closeups”. It is reminiscent of “The Anderson Tapes” in this regard, in that there is a certain detachment in each of the parts while they clearly make up a whole.
I wasn’t familiar with this book, so here’s it’s description in our library system. Looks like an interesting read 🙂
Stand on Zanzibarby Brunner, John, 1934-1995.
SummaryThe brilliant 1969 Hugo Award-winning novel from John Brunner, Stand on Zanzibar, now included with a foreword by Bruce Sterling
Norman Niblock House is a rising executive at General Technics, one of a few all-powerful corporations. His work is leading General Technics to the forefront of global domination, both in the marketplace and politically—it’s about to take over a country in Africa. Donald Hogan is his roommate, a seemingly sheepish bookworm. But Hogan is a spy, and he’s about to discover a breakthrough in genetic engineering that will change the world…and kill him.These two men’s lives weave through one of science fiction’s most praised novels. Written in a way that echoes John Dos Passos’ U.S.A. Trilogy, Stand on Zanzibar is a cross-section of a world overpopulated by the billions. Where society is squeezed into hive-living madness by god-like mega computers, mass-marketed psychedelic drugs, and mundane uses of genetic engineering. Though written in 1968, it speaks of now, and is frighteningly prescient and intensely powerful.
more from an expanded look:
Summary”Originally published in 1968, Stand on Zanzibar was a breakthrough in science fiction storytelling technique, and a prophetic look at a dystopian 2010 that remains compelling today. Corporations have usurped democracy, ubiquitous information technology mediates human relationships, mass-marketed psychosomatic drugs keep billions docile, and genetic engineering is routine. Universal in reach, the world-system is out of control, and we are all its victims…and its creator”–Cover p. [4].ContentsMachine generated contents note: (1).Scanalyze My Name — (2).Editorial Slot — (3).You Have To Push Him Over — (4).The Subject Matter — (5).The Grand Manor — (6).One Comes Out Where… — (7).Bullfight — (8).Isolation — (9).Guncrit — (10).The Baby And The Bathwater — (11).Come Outside And Say That — (12).The Sociological Counterpart Of Cheyne-Stokes Respiration — (13).The Old Newspaper — (14).Storm Centre — (15).Bred And Born — (16).Mr. & Mrs. Everywhere: Calypso — (17).Feeling The Overdraft — (18).Zock — (19).A Free Rendering Of Two National Anthems — (20).The Pros And Cons Of A Lunatic Society — (21).Letter — (22).Mother And Baby Doing Well? — (23).To Be Avoided — (24).One Of Many Essentially Identical Printouts From Shalmaneser — (25).A Favourite’story Of Chad Mulligan’s — (26).To Myself On The Occasion Of My Twenty-First Century — (27).Study Group Reports — (28).A Message From Our Sponsors — The Happening World — (1).Read The Directions — (2).The Soft Cell — (3).Domestica — (4).Spoken Like A Man — (5).Citizen Bacillus — (6).Street Seen — (7).The State Of The Art — (8).Be Kind To Your Forfeited Friends — (9).Shambles — (10).Sour Grapes — (11).How To — (12).The General Feeling — (13).Resume — (14).Recruiting Posters — (15).Equal And Opposite — (16).Obituary — Tracking with Closeups — (1).Mr. President — (2).Yonderboy — (3).No You Don’t! — (4).Masker Aid — (5).Sceneshifter — (6).Which Side Am I On? — (7).The Too Much Strain — (8).Ill Wind — (9).Poppyseed — (10).Smotherlove — (11).The Sealed Train — (12).If You Can’t Beat Them Beaut Them — (13).The Gooseberry Bush — (14).Light The Touchpaper And Retire — (15).Our Parents’ Feet Were Black — (16).The Messenger Of The Gospel Of Universal Love — (17).Brighter Than A Thousand Men — (18).In My Young Days — (19).Small Wants And Those Easily Satisfied — (20).The Old Lady Under The Juggernaut — (21).The Dry Child — (22).The Climax Of More Than A Lifetime Of Achievement — (23).Begi And The Oracle — (24).No Reason, Purpose Or Justification — (25).The Man Without Convictions — (26).All In Due Time — (27).Recipe For A Mucker — (28).The Slow Way To Die — (29).While The Balance Of His Mind Was Disturbed — (30).Defense D’Entrer — (31).Unto Us A Child — (32).The Cool And Detached View — Continuity — (1).The Guilt-Edged Security — (2).The Dead Hand Of The Past — (3).After One Decade — (4).Roomie Nation — (5).Hear Hear — (6).Auction Block For Me — (7).Arms And Idleness — (8).The Camel’s Back — (9).Divided Against Itself — (10).Due Process — (11).The Sound Of Falling Rock — (12).It’s Supposed To Be Automatic But Actually You Have To Press This Button — (13).Multiply By A Million — (14).The Right Man For The Job — (15).Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect — (16).The Revised Version — (17).Timescales — (18).The Walls Of Troy — (19).Semper Aliquid Novi — (20).The Shadow Of Grandfather Loa — (21).More Haste — (22).The Price Of Admission — (23).He Stuck In His Thumb — (24).This Scene Not Shifted — (25).Daddy Of Them All — (26).Here Comes A Chopper — (27).Manscape — (28).From Here On Down It’s Uphill All The Way — (29).I Beg To Report — (30).Turn Her On And Let Her Roll — (31).Groundwork — (32).First With The News — (33).Got It And Gone — (34).There Lives More Faith In Honest Doubt — (35).To Await Collection — (36).Makeshift — (37).Storage — (38).Not For Sale But Can Be Had On Application — (39).Better To Be A Volcano — (40).Of The Greatest Significance — (41).Sewn On With Needle And Thread.Publication InformationNew York : Orb, 2011.©1968Descriptionxxi, 547 pages ; 24 cmSubjectsGenetic engineering — FictionComputersScience fictionDystopian fictionScience fictionNovels
First time I read it, I was maybe 12 years old and missed a bunch of the jokes. It is a very funny book.
Apparently the Una Bomber, old Ted Kizenski (sic), didn’t find it as amusing as you did. 😉
I put it on hold at the library so hopefully I’ll get a chance to read it!
I hope you do. Stand on Zanzibar is a really good book.
By the same author, “Players at the Game of People” is not as good, and much more difficult to find, but memorable and cautionary. From a couple of reviews:
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Any resemblance to attending P. Diddy’s soirees is purely coincidental.
A great deal of the book involves the lengths to which Godwin will go to tell himself that “everything’s fine”.
fascinating (it’s not in our library system either)
If SoZ does come in and you start to read it, it would be helpful to have read a poem by Lewis Carroll first. Here’s a link to the entire text (with necessary illustrations).
https://www.aliceandbooks.com/book/download-link/871/2610
or….
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/29888/pg29888-images.html
But the principal failing occurred in the sailing,
And the Bellman, perplexed and distressed,
Said he had hoped, at least, when the wind blew due East,
That the ship would not travel due West!
TY, saved that info for when I get the book 😉
I actually own a couple of Brunner books. But this isn’t one of them.
QUESTION – for Steve – maybe a stupid one – Do the Sun and Stars move through space?
I read an assertion the other day that our Sun moves and takes its solar system with it.
That didn’t seem right to me.
What do you say?
Yes, the spiral arms of the galaxy move.
SEE: The Milky Way Galaxy’s Spiral Arms and Ice-Age Epochs and the Cosmic Ray Connection
Thanks, Gail!
Yet, they are all so well coordinated that one can navigate by the stars….is it that the movement is so slow that it is barely discernible from our mere human perspective?
The universe is a wondrous thing – I can barely understand Steve’s ‘explanations’ – they are mostly Greek to me.
I thought this article was very interesting so I remembered it even though it is from 2007.
“Dr. Nir Shaviv. I am a full professor at the Racah Institute of Physics in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.”
The relative motion of us and the stars is slow enough that for most purposes we can treat them as “fixed” in place (hence “the fixed stars”)
In absolute terms we’re talking dozens of miles per second relative movement but when they are scores of trillions of miles away (or MUCH further than that), you simply won’t notice without painstaking precision measurements off photographs, done over many years.
And what’s more is that the galaxy’s themselves are moving, said to be spreading out further and further from the big bang.
Interestingly enough, that’s not considered motion because the space itself is expanding. Which is a bit hard to wrap one’s head around, I know. Imagine two bugs on the surface of a balloon that is being blown up. They’re not walking, just chilling, but they’re getting further apart. (They call this “co-moving” or “comoving”)
BUT that doesn’t mean galaxies can’t move; they do. Our galaxy is being pulled towards a distant cluster and is moving towards it at hundreds of kilometers per second. Add this to our sun’s motion around the center of the galaxy and they partially cancel each other out (we’re on the side rotating away from that cluster). This would correspond to one of the two bugs walking towards the other bug as the balloon is being blown up; but not faster than the expansion. The bug’s velocity relative to the balloon is his “peculiar velocity”
We can tell what the total is because the cosmic microwave background shows a “dipole” (one side of it is blue shifted, the other side is redshifted). It’s significant, but when you see pictures of the CMB, it has usually been subtracted out because we’re interested in the more detailed pattern that will tell us something about the early universe.
From Wikipoo’s article on the CMB:
This sort of thing is actually kind of frustrating to people like me who make a hobby out of explaining things. I’m not trying to be deceptive, but I have to leave things out to make things clear–then, maybe, backfill later. It’s invariably something that has a small effect on what I’m discussing. Absolute motion of the stars is simply too small (relative to the distances involved) to be noticeable; and we can usually ignore it while keeping in the back of our minds that it’s there. Not only do we ignore it when talking to people about the solar system, we usually ignore it even when doing actual work about the solar system, because it’s just too small to matter in that context.
Every once in a while, though, we catch a live grenade. For example, one flerfer argument runs, basically like this: If the earth rotates once every 24 hours, and is going around the sun, then if the sun is overhead at noon on one side of the orbit, it should be on the other side of our feet at noon on the other side of our orbit, it should be pitch black at noon. Well, yes, that makes some sense, but there’s a subtlety here that they weren’t taught (or forgot, or know about and are outright lying sacks of shit): The 24 hours has built into it the additional amount the earth must rotate to re-center the sun at noon, that’s the synodic rotation period because it’s relative to the sun (and it’s an average…but that’s a THIRD level of complication). The actual rotation period with respect to the absolute frame they’re thinking of is 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4-point-something seconds, that’s the sidereal rotation. But first graders aren’t taught about that distinction, so eventually they see a “problem” that the flerfers can confuse them with.
I’ve assumed so. Can’t explain it.
Now that I think of it. This started some time after Steve’s science articles.
Supposedly, and I am no expert, the entirety of space is moving outward from a center point. Maybe that’s God?
There’s no center point, so if God is the center point, God doesn’t exist.
I’m teasing; this one is easily solved: God isn’t the center point.
In general the galaxies are all moving away from each other. A particular galaxy may be part of a cluster it’s bound to, so it won’t be moving away from those galaxies, but the cluster it’s in is moving away from other clusters. (We are actually moving towards the Andromeda galaxy, but we’re part of the same cluster).
As seen from any galaxy, all of the other galaxies appear to be moving away from it. Go to another galaxy, and you’ll see the same thing. So what’s the central point? Every galaxy looks like it’s the central point because “everything is rushing away from us” but that’s true of every galaxy.
There’s no central point, space is expanding everywhere.
Well, that’s weird. Won’t things expanding out from many center points eventually hit each other?
The thing that makes it hard to visualize is, it’s not that these things are all expanding out into space, it’s the space itself that is expanding.
But…even if there was one central point and things started expanding from that point, every galaxy would see other galaxies moving away. There’s no hazard of what you’re thinking being the case, that’s just the way it is when a grid or array of dots is expanding. From the viewpoint of every dot, everything else seems to be moving away from it.
I think this will address your questions (as well as Barb’s):
Ok, cool. I’ll watch later.
Thanks Steve!! Becky is very good at explaining the observable universe.
Astronomy Professor Alex Filippenko from Berkley explained it this way. Imagine you are making a raisin muffin. When you start all the raisins are close together but as the dough bakes the muffin expands and the raisins move away from each other in 3 dimensions.
Interesting explanation.
If there is no central point, did the big bang bang all over?
A lot of difficulty people have with it is because they imagine a big vast empty space, and something going “kabloeey” over there somewhere and filling space.
The problem is, it was space itself that was expanding, from being much smaller than it was today. All of space was going through the process; it was everywhere.
So yes it “big banged” all over.
Wow, thanks Steve!!!
What’s worse, most of the stuff that we generally think of as “rulers” to measure expansion were expanding at the same time.
If there Were a central point that could be pinpointed, wouldn’t that likely be the location (roughly) of where the Big Bang happened?
You’re asking a question of the form “if there were pink unicorns, would their poop smell like roses?”
There’s no central point. Therefore asking questions about it is meaningless. And, your question indicates you are thinking about the Big Bang as if it were an explosion somewhere, rather than occurring everywhere.
I wrote my comment before reading some of the other ones or watching the video shared going into the Big Bang everywhere…my bad 😉
OK, the timeline gets confusing that’s for sure.
True. I usually pick up where I was last reading & when I get to the bottom of the page hit the orange circle to get to the top of the New comments & then make my way all the way down, rinse & repeat. AND sometimes Some of the new comments, not just ones that reply to ones that I’ve made in the “bell” (so I won’t see them until I reload the page) just don’t show for me. Now I check the comment number before reloading a page & if there are significantly more comments upon reload then there are interspersed comments to look for that hadn’t showed before. That’s one of the reasons I Usually hit “like” so that it’s easier to find the comments I haven’t read yet as they usually show up as “yellow” but also my “likes” indicate that it’s something I’ve already read 🙂
It most assuredly does.
It’s in orbit about the center of the galaxy, once every 200 million years or so.
When talking about stuff within the solar system we can ignore the motion, for the same reason you don’t have a sense of high speed when riding on a train–at least not until you look out the window.
The stars we see in the night sky are moving along with us…but not quite at the same speed; over thousands of years, therefore, the shapes of the constellations will change. In fact we can see it happen when we compare today to observations by the ancient Greeks and others who were actively observing the sky back then. Arcturus in particular is moving relative to us rather quickly. (The record holder is Barnard’s Star, which is sometimes jokingly called Barnard’s Arrow, but you need a telescope to see that one.)
Cracked up on this one:
Knew better in grade school.
Enjoyed all of the Jupiter information.
OK. This is off the wall. Noodled on flerfer. Searched for a couple minutes.
Flat Earth or Flat Earther, obvious.
Settled on this. flerfer = Flat Earth Fucker (singular).
Good description of Patrick Gunnels. As a mathematician he should know better since a mathematician, Eratosthenes of Cyrene calculated the circumference around 200 BC
The difficulty (one the flerfers will dishonestly exploit) is that with only two points used, you could get the same result on a flat earth if the sun is close by. So they’ll claim that Eratosthenes could have got the same shadow angles on a flat earth, and technically, they’re correct; just by itself that doesn’t prove it–if Eratosthenes had used a third location, THAT would have done it. Fortunately his experiment has been repeated in similar ways so often that there’s no way the earth could actually be flat.
The reason Eratosthenes didn’t bother with a third location? He wasn’t trying to prove the Earth was round, he already knew it was round. He was trying to measure it, and for that, his two locations were sufficient.
Verse of the Day for Saturday, September 21, 2024
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“Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
Hebrews 4:16 (KJV)
Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered !!!
PRAYING ON THE ARMOR OF GOD
Father God, I now follow your command to put on the full armor of God, because my battle is not against flesh and blood but against rulers, authorities, the powers of this dark world and against spiritual forces of evil in the unseen world.
I first pray on the Belt of Truth that it may be buckled around my waist, may I be centered and encircled by your truth dear Lord. Hem me inside all that is true and right, and may I be protected and held up by the truth of your living word, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray on the Breastplate of righteousness, please protect my vital organs and my inner man, cover my integrity, my spirit, and my soul. Guard my heart for it is the wellspring of life, please strengthen and guard the most vulnerable places in my life with that which is right, good, and noble that I might not receive a fatal blow from the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray on the Gospel Shoes of Peace. I choose to stand in the shoes of your good news, and on the firm foundation of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the solid eternal rock. All other ground is sinking sand, I pray that I will not slip or fall, but that my feet would be firmly fitted on your lordship, my Lord Jesus. I choose to stand on you, so that the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard my heart and mind in Christ Jesus, the eternal Rock of Ages. I receive your holy peace now my Lord, from the sole of my feet to the crown of my head, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray the Shield of Faith into my hand now. As I take up the shield of faith, I ask that you might extinguish every dart and arrow that is launched from the enemy to take me down spiritually, physically, mentally, emotionally, and every attempt of the enemy to destroy my joy. I ask that my faith in you would make it flame out. Extinguish every flaming arrow that would come against me, my life, my family, my home, or my ministry. May my faith always be out in front of me like a shield. Give me the courage to “faith my fears” by choosing to walk by faith and not by sight, in my Lord Jesus name.
I pray on the Helmet of Salvation, that you might protect my mind from the thoughts that can lead me astray. I choose to take every thought captive, and arrest all intentioned ideas and motives that would harm others, or distract me from your holy will for me. I submit every captured thought to the Lordship of my Lord Jesus Christ, and ask that you would imprison those thoughts that are not of you my Lord. Transform my mind and renew my thinking that I may think God thoughts, and have a sober mind that is focused on your glory. Please protect me from being double minded that I may allow my mind, I reject to live an earthly life, because I choose to live a holy one, governed by you My Lord Jesus, the prince of peace, please have my mind to be saturated with the holy mind of Christ, in my Lord Jesus name.
Finally, I take up the Sword of the Spirit which is the holy word of God, I pray this powerful offensive weapon into my hand, and ask that your holy word would be fitting for every encounter I face. As the enemy gets close to me, please give me the insight, wisdom, and skill to wield the word of God to drive away the enemy, in my Lord Jesus name.
May the enemy and his team flee from me, upon hearing the word of God spoken by the power and direction of the Holy Spirit. Give me the sword of the spirit to cut through the wiles of the devil, so that I may discern the schemes of the enemy when he is near.
With all kinds of prayers, supplication, and intercession I pray to you my Lord God as the one who fights my battles. Now that I’m in your holy powerful armor, I walk away covered and ready to face my day as you go before me, and please protect me in the midst of the spiritual warfare in this unseen world, in my Lord Jesus name.
Thank you my Lord, for the spiritual weapons of armor and prayer that you have given me. It is written no weapon formed against me shall prosper, and you will refute every tongue that accuses me.
Thank you Father God, my Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that I am more than a conqueror in my Lord Jesus. I pray all of this in the mighty name of my Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen.
BE MY VOICE
JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN
CHILD NOT CHOICE
PLEASE PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER
FILL ME WITH YOUR GRACE
Fill me with Your Grace, Lord
Make me virtuous and kind
Please slow down the pace, Lord
Help me decompress unwind
The enemy is relentless
A perpetual pain in the behind
Repulsively rapt repentless
To forgiveness bombastically blind
The world and its inhabitants
Suffer daily duress and distress
From warring evil combattants
Subversive seditious nonetheless
This kind goeth out by fasting and prayer
There is no other way around it
Be not hasty and please be aware
That armored up you can pound it
Patience is a Virtue
A Virtue is a Grace
With them both together
You put evil in its place
God will never challenge you
With more than you can bear
He will not leave you wanting
Here there or anywhere
So if you are short on patience
Feeling not virtuous at all
Unduly courting complaisance
Listen to the sound of His call
Ask and request the grace you seek
Believe and receive it right quick
Be assured as you outright speak
Gifted to you it will just click
For by grace it is you are saved
Through faith tis a gift of God
By itself cannot be waived
Through God a gift to be awed
D01: 03/21/2023
Thank You Duchess! 🙂
https://www.theqtree.com/2019/05/23/the-poetry-tree/#comment-1339845
Psalm 91. The most powerful prayer from the Bible. God’s protection, healing
#psalm91 #psalms #prayer
Pray Everyday
https://rumble.com/v57jz8d-psalm-91.the-most-powerful-prayer-from-the-bible.-gods-protection-healing-p.html
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Sleep Well with Psalms. Psalm 91, Psalm 121, Psalm 3, Psalm 4, Psalm 139.
#faith #god #psalms
Pray Everyday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUPiqPMs8M&t=2s
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HAVE A VERY BLESSED DAY !!! ❤️❤️❤️
The CIA (European Theater) weighs in on Vivek.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/20/vivek-ramaswamy-town-hall-springfield-ohio-00180180
Per Marica’s blog —
Our good Marica has lost her father. He passed away last night. May he rest in eternal Peace.
Please pray for the repose of his soul.
Please send good thoughts to the family.
(Within the last 18 months, she has lost her brother; her son lost his fiancee; and now she has lost her father.)
CV – PLEASE POST – THANKS !!!
FOR MARICA AND FAMILY – 💙🧚🏻♀️💙
PAPA DEAR
We are excited for our day with you
Wonder what unexpected we will do
Unlike what we normally would see
Amazing activities planned by thee
We are spoiled by tech and silly specs
But God’s creation has its effects
Only you know what we need to see
Better for us you just happened to be
We had no idea our time here with you
Would enrich us with memories anew
We cannot imagine our life without
The marvel of God’s creation no doubt
Ah but you Papa are surely determined
We’d eventually be God’s confirmand
Oblivious we’re to what God had planned
An outing with you and this merry band
As we stroll about we will most likely miss
Creatures God blessed with His heavenly kiss
The little ones we take but for granted
His creation to support what’s planted
Maybe someday we will come forth to see
What God had foreseen wanted us to be
Right now we are watching wondering what
We are experiencing that will jut
We might not know that being here now
Is God’s way of reaching us somehow
Through Him and with Him we will always be
Closer to Him and closer to thee – PAPA
D01: 07/28/2023
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Secret Garden – Official
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duchess01
You are so kind. I’ll find way to link this to Marica’s blog. Bless you!
THANKS SO MUCH, CV !!! 💖
Thank You Duchess01 🙂
https://www.theqtree.com/2019/05/23/the-poetry-tree/#comment-1339941
https://dailycaller.com/2024/09/19/exclusive-new-docs-shed-light-air-force-reduce-white-male-population-joining-officer-ranks/
Has it ever dawned on these clowns that quality matters?
Obviously not. Nevermind …
Of course it has THAT IS THE POINT, they want to DESTROY the USA and so far they have done a bang-up job of it.
the only category that should Really count is the skills one!
SteveInCO
When I was a small child, I thought that Jupiter was “just a big cloud up in space”, not a planet!
My favorite section of the orchestral suite The Planets, by Gustav Holst, is “Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity.” This section features the hymn, “I Vow to Thee, My Country”, which was sung at Princess Diana’s wedding to Prince Charles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUM_zT3YKHs
Yes, Holst wrote the hymn and then at some later point incorporated it into Jupiter.
I actually thought of posting a video of the movement, but realized I’d then be giving Mars, Venus and Mercury short shrift because I hadn’t done so for them.
That suite is one of the very rare bits of 20th century “classical” music that I like.
OTOH, Sibelius wrote a piece named Finlandia, and an excerpt from THAT was basically plagiarized by someone to write a hymn from. That’s mildly irksome to many Finns, for whom it’s a patriotic song.
Oh, and speaking Holst’s “The Planets” apparently there are resemblances between the “Mars” movement and the soundtracks to “Star Wars”
From the comments, apparently Williams (the composer of the soundrack) was actually asked to use the Planets, and he said basically, that he could compose something new in the same style, and it would work better.
SteveInCO
Yes, Yours Truly hears “echoes” of Gustav Holst. And also of Gustav Mahler, Richard Strauss (“Thus Spoke Zarathustra”, among other of his works), and even of Aaron Copland, among others. I do, however, take issue with Williams believing that his music “would work better” for Star Wars. “Would work differently because it’s a movie” is what the approach should have been, IMO.
When doing a movie soundtrack the music has to match what’s going on in the movie. Simply grafting Holst into the soundtrack wouldn’t work, but essentially re-timing it is what Williams was asked to do. But then it’d sound “wrong” to anyone familiar with the original work (I HATE hearing Mozart played a touch too slow compared to what I’m used to, just for instance). New (but very similar) themes make it new music and of course it’s timed properly; Luke’s theme shows up when it should, Leia’s theme shows up when it should, and so on.
I often get the sense when listening to “modern classical” that I’m hearing a movie track without the movie, because it seems like themes switch out randomly before they actually do anything with them. Of course with the movie playing on the screen it makes sense, without it, I’m thinking “why didn’t you do more with that theme before switching to this other boring-as-watching-paint-dry theme for ten minutes?” It’s annoying as heck when there’s not actually a movie to justify the changes; I just wonder why anyone listens to it at all.
SteveInCO
Tedd Joselson, a pianist who now lives in Singapore, believes that playing the piano should be a sort of “blend” of the technical, emotional, and spiritual. He did a recording of the Grieg Piano Concerto with the Royal Philharmonic some years ago, playing the piece at a slightly slower tempo than is considered “normal.” When I first heard his interpretation, I actually started getting impatient — where’s the pianistic fireworks one usually hears in the first movement? Then, I made myself listen more closely. And when I did, I began to hear a very different type of interpretation — it almost sounded like he was “communing” with the notes and the keyboard. The conductor followed him like a lynx. And at no time did Mr. Joselson’s playing sound like he was going to drop a note. He had complete command of the piece.
In case it wasn’t clear, I was not claiming the “modern classical” was being played wrong; it was just composed in a way that made it feel like a sound track…without the movie to explain the rather-arbitrary seeming transitions.
I’ve also had the experience you describe, listening to a piece I’m familiar with but it’s played in such a way as to be unrecognizable, at first. (Though I run into that with live 80s music cover bands more than with classical.)
I’ve heard more than one ‘recorded live’ concert that sounded like a cover. And not a good cover, either.
The Eagles were a band that prided themselves on making their concerts sound as close as possible to a studio recording.
Lots of work but so worth it to the ticket purchaser.
Check out William Walton’s “Belshazzar’s Feast.” We were at the first orchestra rehearsal for it, and heard the trumpets, and “Well, now we know where John Williams got Star Wars” was in the air.
Baffling, Israel does NOT arm its citizens.
I do recall seeing a picture of an Israeli man (wearing a kippot), sitting on a couch bottle feeding his baby, with a mini or micro Uzi on the couch cushion next to him. Nice home scene.
IIRC the caption claimed it was from one of the settlements in occupied territory.
Another reason to defund AND destroy CDC.
CDC Launching ‘Agency-Wide Strategy’ On ‘Health Equity’ For LGBT, Minorities, Foreigners
https://libertyunyielding.com/2024/09/20/cdc-launching-agency-wide-strategy-on-health-equity-for-lgbt-minorities-foreigners/
Then do the same with FDA, NIH, Department of Education, EPA….
“Equity” means someone gets perks that are taken away from others.
Hear hear!!!!!!!
DemonRat ‘Equity’ means THEY get the perks and YOU GET THE BILL!
This!!!
Don’t tell me…..
Illegals became migrants…..
And now migrants became “foreigners”?
Re the “Iran” hacking PDJT’s campaign. Recall vault7 stuff can can make it appear to have been anyone.
Is this information being used by Harris to formulate questions for the second debate she just lately asked for.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1836807023154933760/pu/vid/avc1/848×464/juW-w66Ul2lutZxk.mp4?tag=12
Which is why each candidate should ask each other questions.
No moderators.
Mods could wait till it’s her turn to answer first then ask a question that relates to PDJT’s solution to some problem.
She then answer using that solution and claims it first.
Alternatively she could kick off with “how terrible it would be if xyz came to pass,to solve a problem” and then ask PDJT how he would tackle it, having first trashed his reply.
No, the mods wouldn’t be asking questions. They’d be there to call time and hopefully quash interruptions.
Yup. Moderators are time keepers. Turn mics on / off. One switch. No mistakes.
It could be automated. No moderator. Well, maybe if she was a cutie. 😎
9.21.24: LT w/ Hope & Tivon: Dangers of EMF – Protection your body, water, pools, food, plants & DREAM again, PRAY!
And We Know
https://rumble.com/v5ft8gb-9.21.24-lt-w-hope-and-tivon-dangers-of-emf-protection-your-body-water-pools.html?e9s=src_v1_blp
Mozart fans 🎶:
Unknown music composed by Mozart discovered in German library
One source said that “Ganz kleine Nachtmusik” means “Very little night music.” I’m looking forward to hearing it.
Köchel tries to number them in chronological order, which means they often have to put letters after the numbers (e.g., 167a, 167b, etc). Looking over the list of Mozart symphonies most are in the 100s (only 10 out of over 50 are numbered higher than 210, running from 297 to 551), even though Köchel runs all the way out to 626 (meaning Mozart mostly wrote symphonies in the early years though the ones he wrote later in life are the more famous ones). I wonder what number they gave this piece.
Wiki says this: