“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
Some time back I was using Flep’s Twitter page–a longtime Q-Tree author–as a jumping off point to see what he was choosing to tweet about. He used to write nearly daily posts here at the Q-Tree sharing so much info on current events & his viewpoint was quite enlightening. He stepped away from the Q-Tree to focus on election issues in the lead-up to the 2020 election & hasn’t been by here much since then, that I am aware of.
Back then I was doing a series of posts inspired by Flep’s Tweets and actually had one in development still so I am taking Cthulhu’s advice again & working up one of my draft posts to fill in again for DP while she cares for her family.Please continue to lift DP in your prayers! I will leave what was gathered for that pending post below the black divider line that is about half-way down the page just to see what, if any, of the material is not being censored & to give us a snapshot from the pre-January 6 coup era to reflect upon.
DP stopped by yesterday to share news on her family situation here:
At about 1:30 this morning, my mother went to God. As per her family tradition, she waited until she was alone to do so. Both of her parents went that way, as well as a number of other relatives.
Thank you so much to all who have been doing the dailies. I anticipate being back for the Wednesday post next week. There are so many things we are in the middle of doing.
Please, pray for my sister who is exhausted. My dad is going to be lost.
Thanks for being here for us and praying.
DePat
So let’s see what is currently happening by using a number of resources to come up with leads on current events. By the way, I’m sorry if any of this material overlaps things that have recently been shared at the Q-Tree. Doing this fill-in back-to-back post work as DP is dealing with her family situation has made me realize how much of a sacrificial effort of love DP has been putting in, to develop FOUR back-to-back currently focused posts Every Week.DP has been doing such Herculean work to the benefit of the Q-Tree for such a long time–we owe her Many Thanks!!! Please keep her & her family in your prayers…
Note, I just added DP’s comment about her mom above but am not otherwise planning to tweak this post as it’s getting too near the midnight launching hour. I finished working on today’s post in the early hours on Tuesday & noticed that some of the links in this post were already shared in yesterday’s discussion. Thanks for ALL the wonderful thoughts & links the amazing Q-Tree family brings each day to keep Wolf’s Pack so well-informed AND armed for the many battles that are ongoing. You guys Absolutely ROCK!!!
Well my initial plan to begin with Flep’s tweets is now thwarted by the fact that his twitter account is closed 🙁 I wonder if Flep left Twitter of his own volition or if he continues to be banned there, like me? Here is the most recent version of the Internet Archive where his Twit World account was still active:
Here’s a link to the pinned tweet thread from November 13, 2020 where Flep was doing a detailed analysis of the electoral fraud in Georgia related to Dominion. It’s interesting that the pinned tweet appears to have been saved through some French language version of Twitter that May have assisted Flep to dodge the censors for a while.
I hope Flep is doing OK & has found a good place to land with compatriots who are continuing to encourage him in the fight. I would Love to see him drop by the Q-Tree…
A cursory search for him via Yandex and his longer screen name of Fleporeblog did not return current material, unfortunately. Here is the most recent working link to his old blog:
OK strangely it’s possible that the powers that be were actively messing with Flep’s blog for there is this one from February 2019 that survives in the archives still:
I’m not going to keep looking to see if there are other examples of the blog being restored after disappearing. It sure looks like Flep was over the target!!!
Please forgive the way this post will appear as the links won’t be as well organized as DP does with her epic posts. My feet of clay will be clearly on display 🙂 not that they are Ever very well hidden here at the Q-Tree!
Highlights from perusing Gab.com, no particular order:
So since I’m still banned on Twitter/X I now use Gab.com for primary social media interactions. I signed out of Gab to see what shows up on their main page of interest.
found at this Gab https://gab.com/David_Citizen/posts/111168000163454667
THE DEMONIC DEMS HEADED BY SATAN AND HIS HORDES WITHIN OUR U.S. GOVERNMENT are working 24/7, attacking those that have been in the forefront in the fight to uphold TRUTH, JUSTICE and THE AMERICAN WAY, like Mike Lindell. He’s not only stood strong for President Trump he stands strong and is outspoken in his faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Men and women like them are sold out in their love for America and working hard to restore it to normalcy, sanity and the acknowledgement of the Great Creator, the Lord God Almighty!
The demonic Democrat hierarchs and their followers are evil to the core, illegally using our American Legal System with 100-year-old cases that are bogus garbage to take down and destroy our U.S. Constitutional sovereign Republic that’s been enjoyed by American citizens since the proclaimed Declaration of Independence of 1776.
Lara Logan dropping one truth after another about the current state of the southern border and all of the child sex trafficking being allowed to take place under the biden administration.
https://gab.com/KRYPTORNATION/posts/111167716122679727 has a really rude meme involving aka BHO that may or may not be true…perhaps KBK would appreciate this…
The history taught schools is nonsense. It’s all about memorizing basic facts and dates. People who really study history, understand the interconnectivity between government, finance, and industry, and that’s what they don’t want people to know.
2 minute video explaining how banks own & control government using Honduras as an example, from ClassicalLearner.com
It would be great if Gab posts would embed here like Twitter currently does. Copying the Gab content here doesn’t present nearly as clean of a look, unfortunately…sigh…
Not wanting to disappoint anyone who expects “too much information” from me…let’s see what’s currently playing at Whatfinger.com 😉
Please note that some of these items Appear like broken links to me, but they are still active, so I am including the URLs in the captions where possible…I’ll try to clean this up before the final posting but bear with me if it’s a bit chaotic (I was trying to find the correct links to put in captions for things that Had been working but then disappeared)
https://comments.whatfinger.com/2023/10/03/breaking-controversial-zero-bail-policy-takes-effect-in-los-angeles-allowing-non-violent/ Whatfinger take: ALL CRIME THAT IS NOT VIOLENT NOW LEGAL IN LA: BREAKING: Controversial zero-bail policy takes effect in Los Angeles, allowing non-violent… Rob any store you want, as that is the intention of the Democrats, to destroy all business
Whatfinger take on the above link: Preparing for the Coming Storm: Fraud in the 2024 Elections The road is hard: This is our time, and our fight, and our obligation to all those who have come before us to cherish and defend the dream of liberty and justice for all – CFP
JUST IN: Video emerges of Judge in Trump Fraud case discussing his ability to OVERRULE A JURY based on his assertions and feelings about the case.. pic.twitter.com/g3RO21LXYM
If this country's going down, and if we're losing the dollar, I'm going down fighting. And I don't care if that means fighting Republicans, Democrats, the Uniparty, the leadership, the PACs, the lobbyists. I've had it. pic.twitter.com/OqaSQrsBFs
Rep. Nicole Malliotakis (R-NY) on her effort to expel Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY):
“It’s not just the act of pulling a fire alarm … It was during an official proceeding. That is the same thing that they have gone after those individuals who walked into the Capitol on Jan. 6th.” pic.twitter.com/tVxzFQun1L
Wow. This video from inside the courtroom speaks volumes. Watch NY AG Leticia James stare at Trump. She looks like an obsessive creep. Then watch the Judge smile for his moment in the sun. These people are deranged, Marxist tyrants. pic.twitter.com/s11O9kshEP
This video is a masterpiece and documents the people who have been complicit in crimes against humanıty.
All these journalists, scientists, and politicians belong on the defendants’ bench, because their behavior has caused harm to millions. pic.twitter.com/DIOoMLgep1
Here’s the official trailer for “Police State.” Please watch and share! Movie is in theaters Monday, October 23 and 25. Virtual premiere is Friday, October 27. All tickets only at https://t.co/L3EAH8QJTZpic.twitter.com/zjlnn07hFc
How many coincidences can there be in #plasmidgate?
Clearly that is a Ton of material to chew on going forward. Below is the historic material I was gathering when then planning to update the Flep’s Twitter Travels items…what a difference nearly three years makes!
Time Capsule Incoming!
This is the beginning of that existing draft post material:
Well this is hoping to pick up where I left off in the last Flep post here:
[VC Note 10-3-23, the above link was the original post at the old blog but this is how it is accessed now: https://www.theqtree.com/2020/11/02/fleps-twitter-travels-5/ ]
Here’s is Flep’s twitter page where you can find his twitter journeys:
https://twitter.com/Baba9773
Well Score, Flep just put up a new pinned tweet thread so we’ll start there first!
Joe Biden’s plan to BAN FRACKING is an Economic DEATH SENTENCE for Pennsylvania. A vote for Biden is a vote to Ban Fracking, Outlaw Mining, explode energy costs, and totally DESTROY Pennsylvania. Get out tomorrow and VOTE #TrumpPence2020! pic.twitter.com/niFJw558En
#NC#EarlyVoting To those of you who are peeing in pants about NC, here's the Targetsmart model. D lead in '16 at this time was 10 pts and now it's 0.9 pts. How can Trump do less well in '16 in NC? No way no how. NC will be to the right of FL by a few pts. Trump wins easily. pic.twitter.com/ce0GX9yO0r
#FL#EarlyVoting 3pm update. D lead at 112566, up, from trickling VBMs, by only 4.4k since 8am. It will end less than 120k, in the lower half of my estimate range. It is much less than where Ds need it to be to have a chance. Trump wins FL hands down, and with it presidency!! pic.twitter.com/d71z6swvCM
Biden was a pathetic laughing stock all over Washington for the horrible way he handled the H1N1 Swine Flu. Even his own Chief of Staff said he didn’t know what he was doing!
#FL EarlyVoting 1pm update. D lead at 110798, up by only 2.6k since 8am. Even at tomorrow, it will be less than 120k, in the lower half of my estimate range. D lead is much less than where Ds need it to be to have a chance. Trump wins FL hands down, and with it presidency!! pic.twitter.com/vsiLuwz1No
For 47 years, Sleepy Joe Biden betrayed Hispanic-Americans. Now he wants to close your small businesses, eliminate school choice, and attack our Hispanic Law Enforcement Heroes. I will always stand with the incredible Hispanic-American community! pic.twitter.com/4KMnlRkg7c
The straightest electoral path to 270 for Trump is the Core 3 + 1
Core 3: FL, NC, AZ +1: one of MN, WI, MI, PA
As referenced on the Rush Limbaugh show last week, we believe Trump will win the Core 3. Per our last tweet we see Trump winning PA, thus securing the Core 3 + 1.
BREAKING: DOJ is sending personnel to 44 jurisdictions in 18 states to “monitor for compliance with federal voting rights laws.” pic.twitter.com/1XlaSFV6MN
Just learned that Sleepy Joe Biden is campaigning in Pennsylvania with Lady Gaga, a proud member of “Artists Against Fracking.” This is more proof that he would ban Fracking and skyrocket your energy prices…
This story is FALSE. They did nothing wrong. But the ANTIFA Anarchists, Rioters and Looters, who have caused so much harm and destruction in Democrat run cities, are being seriously looked at! https://t.co/3pmbMllPWS
#FL#EarlyVoting update D lead now stands at 108123, up by only 13k since yesterday am. This is at the low end of my estimate of 100k-150k. Last yr, it was 96k. With extra 811k VBM requests this yr, Ds came up with just 12k extra votes. A disaster for them. Trump wins FL!! pic.twitter.com/TjTy5Gk5EV
Allegheny County councilman in Pennsylvania: 'I'm an elected official. I have had at least a dozen Democratic elected officials tell me that they are voting for Trump… but as Democratic elected officials they can't come out and say it.' https://t.co/i4AH2zqS7q
This deep dive on early voting in key battleground states validates SPR recent polling in #pa, #wi, #Fl, #NC and #AZ showing close races and strong potential for Trump victories. https://t.co/yu6Oofg5ep
Pennsylvania: Biden said that he doesn’t want Fracking. Besides, and more importantly, his handlers won’t allow Fracking. That would be the end of Pennsylvania!
Biden did a very POOR job of handling H1N1 Swine Flu, yet all he talks about is Covid, Covid, Covid, like he would actually know what he is doing. He doesn’t. Plus, he would be TERRIBLE with the Economy!
Chris Wallace of @FoxNews, by far the lowest rated of the Sunday morning news programs, can’t get over his poor debate performance, probably even worse than Sleepy Joe’s. His show is a total “hit job” on your favorite President, me!
In my opinion, these patriots did nothing wrong. Instead, the FBI & Justice should be investigating the terrorists, anarchists, and agitators of ANTIFA, who run around burning down our Democrat run cities and hurting our people! https://t.co/of6Lna3HMU
For decades, Joe Biden let other countries rip you off and cheat America blind! The only people who’ve benefited from his policies are himself & his family. He shows up every 4 years, and then goes back to D.C. and caters to his special interests. My only special interest is YOU.
Thank you to all law enforcement for your service. I know the people of Pennsylvania and our country appreciate you keeping us all safe. https://t.co/tKzsQs6KOW
Toledo and Pittsburgh endorse @realDonaldTrump , first Republican endorsements in Democratic areas since 1988 and 1972, respectively. https://t.co/y3aj7g3tUo
— Rich Baris The People's Pundit (@Peoples_Pundit) November 1, 2020
Biden will terminate school choice, eliminate charter schools, defund religious schools, ban prayer in public schools, indoctrinate your children with Anti-American lies, and force you to subsidize extreme late-term abortion. We believe that every child is a Sacred Gift from God!
#FL#EarlyVoting 6p update D lead now at 102538, only up 7.6k for the day. It doesn't include Miami-Dade or Sarasota, I think. But we're looking at 110k max, way below 299k minimum, or 650k (or even 900k) Ds needed. Trump wins FL, and by extension the nation!! pic.twitter.com/gdddlllx5J
Just delivered our family's ballots to a voting dropbox while a huge MAGA/Trump Truck parade was going on in Northern Los Angeles County. Was quite an experience! Loved it!
Joe Biden is the candidate of rioters, looters, arsonists, gun-grabbers, flag-burners, Marxists, lobbyists, and special interests. I am the candidate of farmers, factory workers, police officers, and hard-working, law-abiding patriots of every race, religion and creed! #MAGA
WISCONSIN! Vote to defend your family, your Country, and the American Way of Life. Get out and VOTE TODAY before In-Person Absentee Voting ends. Your vote will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! https://t.co/1ZHvrX3Hgk
This newspaper has not supported a Republican for president since 1972. But we believe President Trump, for all his faults, is the better choice this year.
When I originally became your all time favorite President, the Great State of Michigan was hemorrhaging car companies and jobs. Plants were closing and moving to Mexico, and other places. No new plants for decades. I stopped the moves, & now many plants are and have been built…
The legendary actor, 007 Sean Connery, has past on to even greener fairways. He was quite a guy, and a tough character. I was having a very hard time getting approvals for a big development in Scotland when Sean stepped in and shouted,“Let him build the damn thing”. That was….
Tell me, what Republican candidate has won Iowa and Ohio in a romp, put Florida to bed by 9PM, and lost the election?
— Rich Baris The People's Pundit (@Peoples_Pundit) November 1, 2020
#FL#EarlyVoting update 8am. Dem Lead now at 94905, down from 486k just 11 days ago, well below what they need to have hope. I think it'll end up in 100k-150k range by tomorrow. Given Ds had requested 811k more VBM ballots, Rs are in a great position to win FL. EC Landslide! pic.twitter.com/HiioMvkfvX
A vote for Biden and Harris is a vote to Ban Fracking, Ban Mining, and Completely Destroy Pennsylvania. A vote for me is a vote to remain ENERGY INDEPENDENT! Let’s WIN PENNSYLVANIA, get out and VOTE!pic.twitter.com/aR8iwO6Gvl
Joe Biden has vowed to ABOLISH American Oil and Natural Gas. Today I signed an order to strongly protect Pennsylvania's energy & fracking industry. If Biden & Harris get in, they will terminate this order and implement the Green New Deal. Get out and VOTE! https://t.co/gsFSghkmdMpic.twitter.com/VJMr2IeIgo
Joe Biden has been a disaster for African Americans and Hispanic Americans—I am fighting for citizens of every race, color and creed. We achieved record low unemployment rates. I signed landmark Criminal Justice Reform, and we will deliver School Choice! https://t.co/gsFSghkmdMpic.twitter.com/o6bZkdj4Fg
Similarly, we found Indy moves to Trump in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio.
Really depends on the state. Think a lot of others too mistook a more partisan lean as an Indy swing when it was not. https://t.co/WZY8z8SNy7
— Rich Baris The People's Pundit (@Peoples_Pundit) November 1, 2020
#FL#earlyvoting 6pm update D lead is at 91065, -25k for the day. Accounting for still arriving VBMs + blue counties opening extra days for IPEV, it could go back up to 130k by ED. Even if so, Trump is all but assured to win FL. Rs will crush on ED. GO VOTE! #MAGA2020pic.twitter.com/BkWAENizCD
For the last 4 years you have seen me fight for you – and now I am relying on YOU to deliver another historic victory for our Country. A vote for me and the Republican Party is a vote for the American Dream! Get out and VOTE!#Election2020#MAGA🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/5EyXIHjfib
Thank you Pennsylvania! With your vote, we will continue to support our Military, Veterans and our Police Officers. Biden and Harris would pass legislation to slash police funding all across America. They stand with the rioters – we stand with the HEROES of Law Enforcement! #MAGApic.twitter.com/qqTZPLqzFV
It’s nice to see that at least so many of the people that Flep tweeted about still have a presence on Twitter/X & that all conservative voices there haven’t been silenced! Hope they are not actually controlled opposition meant to deceive us 🙁
I was thinking that both 9/11 and January 6 were extreme watershed moments in our nation’s history. The first was used to justify the satanically misnamed Patriot Act passing the Congress unexamined. The second was to justify the extreme weaponization of government, via the “Patriot Act” at least in part, against Patriotic Americans exercising their God-given rights. I often check copyrights on my reading material to see if they are pre-2001 or not. At this point the material saved from this original draft post represents what was being discussed after the debacle of the 2020 Presidential Election but before January 6, 2021 when some of us still had hope that Truth & Justice would prevail.
Like watching video from September 10, 2001, this saved snapshot of materials curated by Fleporeblog & captured by me in November 2020 reveals aspects of a more hopeful time; before the coup against America had been solidified and our society was fractured by so many deliberate & diabolical lies of genocidal totalitarian psychopaths. Those “good old days” are now gone forever. God grant us the ability to rightly restore the Republic so that our children AND grandchildren might know & love & live in an America that is Free & again founded on Biblical Truth & our precious Constitution. In God We Trust!
Well Dear Q-Tree family, I hope you have a blessed day. Thank you for indulging me as a substitute author while DP continues to focus on her family. God Bless You All!
Speaking of snapshots of another era, here is a link to a post I wrote just before January 6, 2021. The scriptural truth contained within remains timeless…
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
Another Beths song I don’t think I’ve heard before.
How about a new version of Mo Ghile Mear by Celtic Woman?
Aw – we can’t have that one without playing the original, dream-inspiring version of the song brought here by cthulhu!
OK – gotta have some Wheatie music (TSFH). Lots of dancing – not just this lady flasher on the intro photo!
OK – let’s finish in a very classical way.
The Epstein Amendment – New Outrage Discovered
Just when you thought that the Epstein Amendment Issue 1 in Ohio could not be any worse, somebody figured out that it legalizes PROSTITUTION and (drum roll) CHILD PROSTITUTION.
Yes, it’s THAT BAD. “Reproductive freedom of all individuals” is what they’re selling us. YIKES.
Can this thing possibly win? Well, if it does, Ohio will become the playground of pedophiles.
Looks like NORMAL PEOPLE have their work cut out for them, stopping this leftist travesty.
The horror – they’re still trying to inject all the kids. Note how they don’t care about superior natural immunity. These people are Pfizerbot monsters. Per the Cleveland Clinic:
If you or your children belong in any of the following categories, you should get at least one dose of the updated 2023 vaccine as soon as possible:
Anyone older than 6 months who’s never had a COVID-19 vaccine.
NEW: ‘Scientist’ Neil deGrasse has meltdown while trying to explain why men should be able to compete in women’s sports. The ‘scientists’ really don’t seem to follow the science these days. Before melting down, deGrasse tried coming up with a scientific explanation for why men should be able to compete in women’s sports. “So I’m wondering whether the future of those sports is, you don’t contest gender with gender. You contest hormone ratios.” The meltdown came when the show hosts asked deGrasse about women being denied opportunities because the playing field is not even. “So fix the playing field, da**it! Don’t, don’t say it’s an unfair playing field. So all of a sudden the big issue is trans women taking the slot of a woman in an unfair playing field, fix the playing field.” “You know something, the day you fix that playing field, this conversation will look completely ridiculous. That’s what I’m trying to tell you.” The only thing that looks ridiculous is you, Neil.
Scummer and Turtle-Head. What a combination. The Senate is fake, I tell ya! It’s all kabuki.
The look on their faces when they learned Ukrainian government workers would be paid during a shutdown, but not American government workers. Priceless? No, pathetic. pic.twitter.com/CScXdqFHtK
Interesting trailer, although it looks like another Hollywood “writer meets reality” / “layers of reality” script. Might be good for some popcorn consumption. Or maybe not.
Kevin the Foot-Dragger. Somebody get him out of my messages and email! Please!
“Mommy, why does that woman have a beard?” Not exactly the same answer as when I was a kid.
Watch this and then ask yourself – is there something in the games that is “training” people? Found at “Not The Bee” HERE.
Back to reality from gaming. See? A pre-existing solution is always available if you just think out-of-the-plane!
Repeating our usual suspects…..
Still not regretting not taking the shot.
And then there’s the BIG CLUB…..
Per the Boss:
Boss correcting now to “Oligarchs including but not limited to George Soros“.
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It is quite clear, as per Wolf’s message from July, that we are under spiritual attack. Building up a robust arsenal of prayer and discipline is a must in fighting the enemy and his minions.
In that spirit, the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel from Tuesday’s threads, and the Breastplate of St. Patrick, not to mention the Litany of Humility are favorites recommended by exorcists in spiritual warfare.
SATIRE SECTION
Not to be confused with current reality. They’re close, we admit.
“Satire has weakened in our epoch, for several reasons, but chiefly because the world has become too absurd to be satirized.” — G.K. Chesterton, 1911 pic.twitter.com/44oWejmfwp
First prayers for Deplorable Patriot, her Mom and her Family. May God be with them and also with our country. Second please excuse spelling and grammar errors, I am 1/2 asleep.
Have you ever heard that phrase bandied about in the Info War?
On an Actual level, it refers to a declassified counter-intel operation conducted by the State Political Directorate of the Soviet Union implemented in the 1920s, in which Bolshevik (communist) aligned agents were both installed into and founded grassroots anti-Bolshevik movementswithin the Russian and Eastern European populations.
The goal of this communist operation was to root out existing threats to communist rule from within the sovereign population, and to provoke the ‘turn’ of anti-communist sentiment within those most likely to found, lead or join anti-Bolshevik movements in the decades to come.
In essence, it was an intelligence False Flag operation meant to trick anti-communist, pro-sovereign Russians into believing there was a powerful anti-Soviet movement in the offing; the result of the operation was the successful identification, imprisonment and ultimately, long-term neutering of anti-communist movements and even sentiment within the destabilized empire. By cutting off the heads of the sovereign sentiment within the Russian population, the Soviet government was able to curtail early threats to its rule, while blunting the formation of future threats for generations to come…
(For more on said communist infiltration and its eventual defeat at the hands of the reforged Russian Federation, check out the Righteous Russia series here on Burning Bright.)
Burning Bright goes on from there. It is a good read AND VERY TIMELY. Burning Bright and Just Human also discuss this topic during last weekend’s Defected Ep 42 – Sun
A very rough transcript of the part I wish to discuss:
JUST HUMAN:
@36.45 …[It is important to have] healthy skepticism of our opponents that we don’t agree with, but having just as much if not more healthy skepticism coming from the news we do agree with. I think that is one of the most dangerous and where you can really slip up…. When the news is something you agree with at the outset… you have to have healthy skepticism of BOTH SIDES. MAYBE MORE SO OF YOUR OWN SIDE….
BURNING BRIGHT:
@46:30 We have been psy-oped and demoralized into believing that hope… is illogical. With an organic movement like the Q drops, people grift on to that, or they are installed and PAID and WE KNOW THIS HAPPENS… this is a MACRO Socratic Operation that is telling you, your nation has been subverted . [Telling you] THIS IS HOW TO FIND OUT who is subverting it and how and how to counter them… Q was not ‘Operation Trust’ but those who grifted onto it were little versions of Operation Trust…
When I heard this and then read Burning Bright’s article I immediately thought of DHS Sec. Janet Napolitano and The Oath Keepers.
“…(communist) aligned agents were both installed into and FOUNDED GRASSROOTS ANTI-BOLSHEVIK MOVEMENTS. …the result of the operation was the successful identification, imprisonment and ultimately, long-term neutering of anti-communist movements and even sentiment…”
Given Jan 6th doesn’t it make sense that The Oath Keepers IS actually a DHS/COMMUNIST TRAP and the Trap was finally sprung on Jan 6th? Doesn’t that explain the outlandish sentencing AND THE ARREST AND CONVICTION OF PEOPLE WHO NEVER EVEN WENT IN THE CAPITAL? Especially given the fact the Banksters FUNDED the Bolshevik Revolution.
Just Human discusses just that about the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers starting at 1:12:45. He looks at it from the angle of having read their ‘confessions.’
Refresher on Napolitano and the Oath Keepers:
It all links back to Obama and Janet Napolitano.
Napolitano was head of DHS in March of 2010 when she switched focus FROM Muslim Terrorists TO Homegrown Patriotic Veterans and retired LEOs. (See my article AND Logic: The Conspiracy to Ban Guns
Funny how Rhodes Started up the Oath Keepers at the SAME TIME THE REPORT NAPOLITANO REFERS TO WAS WRITTEN…
“…“Rightwing extremism,” the report said… goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to “those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely.”
“It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration,” said the report, which also listed gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as potential risks….”
“Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S…..”
WIKI (Now changed)
Oath Keepers was founded in March 2009 by Elmer Stewart Rhodes a Yale Law School graduate, former U.S. Army paratrooper, and former staffer for Republican Congressman Ron Paul….
(I wonder if he was a SPY placed on Ron Paul’s Staff. Staffers move from person to person as congress critters come and go.)
Wolfie documents Napolitano popping up again in connection with Jan 6th HERE.
Now does these tweets make sense?
🚨 Attorneys in Proud Boys #J6 trial allege in court today that DHS had more undercover informants than the FBI at the Capitol on Jan 6th… INCLUDING RAY EPPS!
The total number of undercover agents at the Capitol is now more than 40, with at least 19 belonging to DHS alone. 🤯 pic.twitter.com/2QCHk66rxm
Devin Nunes tells of Democrats’ gleeful walk back through tunnels under the US Capitol, full of laughs and high-fives, to resume certification of ballots on 1/6.
J6 protestors were set up and attacked in a plot to stop the decertification. January 6th was a color revolution.… pic.twitter.com/Y8tIPE8a49
Yesterday I discussed Mike Benz’s information on the destruction of our First Amendment right of Free Speech. There is one thing Mike Benz does not mention and it is a very effective tactic — the Limited Hangout.
A limited hangout or partial hangout is a tactic used in media relations, perception management, politics, and information management. The tactic originated as a technique in the espionage trade.
According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further. — WIKI
So let’s go back to the Devolution video I Tuesday yesterday.
Devolution Power Hour #181 Featuring Burning Bright and Just Human – Wed 10:30 PM ET –
The first point I want to mention, is how YOUNG most of the Badland hosts are. Jon Harold has not even read Q, Kate was a Democrat as was Burning Bright. Just Human and Patrick Gunnels are Libertarians. I find they are missing a heck of a lot of the information that I have acquired from being an ‘EVIL BOOMER’
@ 1:45:40 Jon Harold talks about how necessary $$$ are and how hard it is to hold a full time job AND produce good content. “So I made that leap to doing this full time, but not everybody can do that.” [Very true but it makes you vulnerable. GC]
….Therefore being able to support yourself as full time Alt-News journalist is critical to the insurgency… WE have come up with a way… this is something WE talked about at GART II… this is how WE decided we could decentralize our information. This is how EVERYBODY CAN PLAY A ROLL IN THIS…”
It requires name AND AN EMAIL ADDRESS… I maybe paranoid but it makes me think of “…the result of the operation was the successful identification, imprisonment and ultimately, long-term neutering of anti-communist movements …”
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What is ironic is I wrote the part about Limited Hangouts and the Devolution Power Hour BEFORE I saw Burning Bright’s ‘Operation Trust’ article. Talk about being ‘guided’!
Over the last several months I have shared my increasing suspicion about Patrick Gunnels. Here are some of my past comments.
I’m not a boomer—far from it, I’m not a huge fan of that troubled generation—but I admit to losing my patience when Patrick Gunnells unleashed another of his impulses against the boomers, falling for the “generational warfare” psy-op. I know this guy was a theater major, and provocation is his M.O., but enough already.
Gunnels is a THEATER MAJOR??? I do not know if it is true, but it certainly explains him. [I now know he is not]
Gunnels is NOT A Theater Major he was a math major. The confusion may have come from here:
Меню Jen Gunnels earned her PhD in Theatre History and Criticism at the University of Texas at Austin and currently serves as Theatre Editor for the Hugo nominated.
I have noticed Gunnels can no longer break 1000 likes since he came out with the Flat Earth crud. [CURRENT UPDATE: Current P Gunnels Rumble, up votes ~500 and under with 7k to 14K views. That is 1/2 what he was getting a year ago with 20 – 45K views and over 1,000 ^ votes.]
Maybe Jon Harold will get a clue and TOSS HIM but probably not at this late date.
What I find VERY interesting is the top several comments on the Kirsch Gunnels debate on Gunnels channel, (first has 68 thumbs up) are all congratulating Patrick for defeating Steve Kirsch. We are talking the first 2 pages… The commenters on Steve’s channel also congratulate Gunnels. Please note that Patrick recently let slip he had taken courses in debate.
Exposing the lies of Germ Theory and virology using their own sources.
Yesterday, Eric Coppolino and I were invited to the “Reading Epic Threads” show with Patrick Gunnels to discuss unity and disunity in the truth movement and where to draw the line. We also focused on whom to trust in the medical freedom movement as well as how to decide how far to go when trying to awaken people….
I do not think I trust these guys to tell me the truth.
WIKI –
Eric Francis Coppolino (born 1964) is an American investigative reporter who specializes in corporate fraud and toxic torts litigation, and also the former astrologer for the New York Daily News and Marie Claire magazine.
Linked-in
My next personal reinvention, well underway, is scifi/fantasy novelist. Specialties: Astrology, toxic torts litigation, compersion, studio photography, street photography….
Publisher & Editor Planet Waves, Inc. – Present 25 years
Planet Waves is a high-end news and information service centered on astrology, but also providing information about erotic education, environmental issues and politics. We offer exquisite original photography, many daily features and subscriber services. I continue to work as an astrology consultant for businesses and individuals with a focus on midlife career changes….
…illustrates my accompanying point about how the nonexistence of viruses is really a belief system to which they cling dogmatically, requiring them to ludicrously reject all relevant scientific literature while themselves being capable of producing nonethat actually supports their belief.
…According to the post, Dr. Knauss tested 1,500 positive COVID- samples and none of them contained the coronavirus. He claims that the tests contained type A and type B influenza viruses. The post also notes that the results were sent to several laboratories and the same results were received. Later, Dr. Knauss applied to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) requesting live COVID-19 samples, but the latter responded that it had no such samples. Knauss claims that not a single laboratory has isolated the coronavirus that confirms that COVID-19 is a fiction and in fact, the virus is nothing but yet another flu strain….
The text of the posts spread by Georgian anti-vaxxers allegedly involves remarks by Dr. Derek Knauss. Neither the Doctor with this name nor any study conducted on COVID-positive tests can be found in scientific databases. The Spanish fact-checking organization Maldita writes that the name of Dr. Derek Knauss from California does not appear on ResearchGate or Google Scholar, the web search engines for scholarly literature….
The posts are accompanied by a photo depicting a man. According to its caption, the man is Derek Knauss, Doctor of Medical Sciences who claims that the coronavirus is a fiction.
In fact, the man depicted in the photo is not Dr. Knauss, but rather YouTuber Patrick Gunnels. The latter runs a YouTube channel Reading Epic Threadscreated in 2019. In his videos, Gunnels mainly reads out and discusses the tweets of various users….
SO who is this ‘Myth Detector’?
It is a ‘Fact-Checking’ group out of the country of Georgia started in 2014.
Media Development Foundation (MDF) launched its fact-checking and myth debunking platform – Myth Detector – in 2014, to uncover truth behind the lies, explore hidden agendas, raise the level of media literacy and inform both people and institutions of Georgia [the country] about the impacts of disinformation.
In September 2020, Myth Detector partnered up with Facebook to fight against misinformation in the framework of Facebook’s Third-Party Fact-Checking Program. Myth Detector reviews and rates the accuracy of content aiming to improve the quality and authenticity of stories in the News Feed. When rated false, Facebook shows the story lower in News Feed, significantly reducing its distribution and warning people who see the post or try to share the post that it has been marked as false. Facebook pays Myth Detector to perform this service for them but it has no say or influence over what Myth Detector fact-checks or what the conclusions are, nor does it want to.
Since 2016, MDF is cooperating with EUvsDisinfo – the flagship project of the European External Action Service’s East StratCom Task Force and is a member of the Open Information Partnership (OIP) bringing together think tanks, fact-checkers, independent media and grassroots organisations to support efforts to counter hostile information influence operations. The website was created by the Media Development Foundation (MDF) with the support of the German Marshall Fund/Black Sea Foundation for International Cooperation and German Cooperation.
The Media Development Foundation (MDF) is responsible for the material posted on the website. It may not reflect the views of the German Marshall Fund or German Cooperation
So Patrick is already on the Cabal’s radar for targeting.
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FLAT EARTH
The difference in comments between Mike Toon’s video and Patrick Gunnels version are… Telling.
Will Patrick Censor the comments you leave? Leave nice ones so his hypocrisy is clear. https://rumble.com/v360pkm-flat-vs-globe-patrick-debates-mctoon.html…
Mike Toon
This is an EPIC take down of Gunnels.
Start @ 33:35 MC TOON (Mike) vs Gunnels. Patrick has been a Flat Earther since 2019. Mike says he has been doing Globe Earth vs Flat Earth debates weekly for 4 years. So unlike with the virus debate with Steve Kirsch, who was not a virologist or a debater, Mike is ‘fully armed’
@ 37:30 Gunnels says his academic background is in mathematics, professional background is in software. In 2017, Gunnels noticed TPTB (the powers that be) info was not always reliable. “So I made a promise to myself I would only belief information if I could verify down to its foundations….”
(Excuse me while I ROTFL.)
Sorry, but just how much CAN a person ACTUALLY verify INDEPENDENTLY? DARN LITTLE!!! Instead what Patrick has done is profess belief in an ALTERNATE, much of which is unverifiable too!
In the first few minutes Gunnels tries his first debate trick — Change the actual topic from Flat Earth to a spinning globe.
@ 42:05 Mike says this is information that he measured himself. Previously I gave three different ancient techniques. Mike and 3 others use the second method, which was first used by Eratosthenes.
Gunnels asks if he has a video that explains it. As a Math Major he would have already been familiar with the method and he is. This leads to Gunnels second trick. He plays a video about Eratosthenes and his method and then says Eratosthenes makes the ASSUMPTION that the earth is round and therefore begs the question. @ 47 minutes Mike slaps him down saying you put that on me… Did I claim that as proof? And it gets better from there.
Mike: “The essence of science is to TEST something that is FALSIFIABLE.”
[This is where Steve Kirsch flubbed it. Not being a virologist, he could not actually test viruses.]
Then Mike goes into the hypothesis IF the earth is flat….(Slapping down Gunnels straw man debate trick) and looks at real-world measurements and uses trigonometry (Right angle triangle) and concludes, that IF the sun cannot be in two different locations, then Flat Earth is proven false. (1:01:30) And it goes on from there with Mike countering Gunnels using REAL WORLD MEASUREMENTS the entire time.
Gunnels then brings up a ‘Black Swan’ event.
To understand Mike’s argument look at this paper that Mike references and Gunnels ignores:
The ‘black swan’ event has the optical measurement very obviously confounded by the refraction phenomena as Mike repeatedly points out. As a result Gunnels becomes increasingly unglued and then at 1:30:00 kicks Mike off his Rumble channel.
If you have the time this is a really good lesson in how science (and debate) is SUPPOSED to work.
And as the cherry on the Gunnels pudding (head) you have this On Gab:
Well that certainly tells us what Patrick thinks of WWG1WGA doesn’t it?
SYNOPSIS:
Gunnels supports the claim that there is no such thing as a virus, letting Ralph Baric et al off the hook.
He goes even further saying there are no pathogens just poisons and parasites. That’s a dangerous point of view that could get people killed. He insults Boomers (who make up a significant part of MAGA) and refuses to apologize. And then he caps it off with the idiotic Flat Earth crap that was disproven before Christ was born.
So is Patrick’s real goal to splinter Alt News and also make them look like far-out wack jobs?
Start @ 6 minutes go to 10 minutes. Gunnels gives his sales pitch (He is a salesman after all.) — He talks of an event called Patriot Doubled Down where Jon Harold was a featured speaker. Gunnels says what his friend Jon and he noticed is the event covered stuff everyone already knew. “What we wanted was an event where great minds had really really dug into events… new ways of looking at things. The most fun was when Jon and I and 8 people sat around a table and talked.”That was the genesis of Thread Fest. “We could put together an event, [small 150 max] where the producers of the Great Threads of our world, where the great independent media minds of our world had gotten together to look at history, gov documents transactions… could interact.”
So as I hypothesized, Gunnels was a major force behind the formation of Badlands and the CORRALLING AND PAINTING OF ALT NEWS AS FAR OUT WACK JOBS!
From April 22 to April 25, 2022, Patrick Gunnels of Reading Epic Threads and Patel Patriot of the Devolution Series will host a three-day deep dive extravaganza at the incredible The Inn at Opryland in Nashville, TN! Even as we speak, speakers are being lined up. As plans come together, we will update this site on a regular basis. Participate in this event to support a conservative cause and to celebrate love…
Patrick Gunnels – He is an American news researcher and professional as well as the creator of the “Reading Epic Threads” program on various social media. He has been tutoring students in maths at all levels for over twenty years. He graduated from the University of Texas at Austin with a BA in Mathematics…
Patel Patriot [Jon Harold] He is a former Catholic School fundraiser…
Nothing about his jobs with software companies or sales…
…. Threadfest deadline for room bookings has passed. So I booked a bunch of rooms on my own dime and will bundle them with your ticket! https://www.threadfest.show/tickets.html – Patrick Gunnels
20 rooms = $7,500… They were talking 150 guests so NOT selling 20 rooms out of 150 for a first time event is not out of the question. I do not have that kind of spare $$$ to toss around, how does Gunnels if all he does is tutor math students ? However that is not ALL that Patrick does.
It is interesting that it is hard to find out just what Patrick does despite his running as a Libertarian for election to the Texas House of Representatives against Cringeshaw. (Libertarians generally take votes away from the Republicans.)
This MAY be Patrick (looks like him). If so he wrote a Linked-in article about HOW GREAT ThousandEyes is:
ThousandEyes was founded in 2010 by Mohit Lad and Ricardo Oliveira, colleagues from the UCLA [University of California LA] Computer Science department. Our leaders have deep experience in networking, Internet routing, and SaaS
Not only is Gunnels connected to software, ?that monitors end users? as he said on the Mark Toon’s youtube, he is also a SALESMAN and more and more it is looking like he is selling Badland Hosts down the river.
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
Just grabbing stuff I’ve never heard off YouTube….
A version of Copperhead Road like you’ve never heard….
Aw, heck – let’s make that country rock just a bit!
So what ever happened to Gretchen Wilson? She’s had a few scrapes and close calls, but as of June 2023, she’s apparently still out there!
https://youtu.be/QnfEp9OmAMs
Let’s try something REALLY weird – Carrie Underwood x Joan Jett
Field Report
The crazy realpolitik world continues to be interesting. The battlefield landscape on Ohio Amendment Issue No. 1 seems to be shifting as people realize that this amendment serves the interests of pedophiles and groomers, resulting in parent-free sex-change of kids. I cannot predict which way the vote will go now. Passage and defeat are both possible.
And then Random Nuisance vetoes a state groomer bill in California? What’s up with that? Is he reading the tea leaves? Hmmmmmm.
Happy that Carl is back, and YUGE thanks to Gail for helping out Deplorable Patriot in this time of trouble. Prayers for DePat and family. May God shelter and comfort them.
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
Our various sister sites, listed in the Blogroll in the sidebar
Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.
Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.
We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.
Joe Biden didn’t win.
And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.
Word of The Week:
instigate
verb
To initiate or bring about, often by inciting.
To urge on; goad.
To goad or urge forward; to set on; to provoke; to incite; — used chiefly with reference to evil actions.
Used in a picture (h/t Barb)
Used in a picture (as the associated noun)
Music time!
Beginning with some classical (your mileage may vary on the “sadness”)….
But check out these social media-driven “fiddle girls” – very interesting phenomenon!
To make it more commercial, just add some MTV….
So let’s finish with a string quartet of sorts!
AHHH – what the heck – I need some boy music. A song that cthulhu played Friday that takes me back. Mmmmmm, mmmmmm.
System Report
The system is back up, as of the writing of this post.
What a fight.
On the subject of “war is hell”, let the following video (set to Wheatie’s favorite music) be a reminder of why peace matters. (You have to go to the link – it’s pretty graphic.)
Wasn’t Gail saying something about Prussia? I seem to recall…..
As for the present….
Has the UFO propaganda got you scared? AS IF!
No, it has you bored and dismissive. Interesting psychology – isn’t it? So why did we get all of THIS stuff first?
Enjoy the epic music set to alien invasions – or something like that.
The plugin “nonce” problem got fixed, as well as some security issues.
The fact is, we’re dependent on “plugins” that are often weak links in WordPress security AND functionality. The team fixing our commenting system seems to be small and subject to competing duties.
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
Our various sister sites, listed in the Blogroll in the sidebar
Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.
Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.
We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.
Joe Biden didn’t win.
And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.
Word of The Week:
trinitite
noun
Trinitite, also known as atomsite or Alamogordo glass, is the glassy residue left on the desert floor after the plutonium-based Trinity nuclear bomb test on July 16, 1945, near Alamogordo, New Mexico. The glass is primarily composed of arkosic sand composed of quartz grains and feldspar that was melted by the atomic blast.
You’ll see why I chose trinitite later in this post.
OK – here is the epic orchestral Wheatie music I was looking for….
Maybe some “Celtic mystique” music?
How about “Viking folk music”? No guarantees of authenticity here.
But let’s finish with some orchestral-backed vocals…..
OK – that was inspiring!
Carl was back on Sunday! Praise God!!!
I know it has been a while since I said “Trust The Plan”, but every once in a while I realize that it’s there.
Some very interesting posts (and replies) on X. Let me give you a guided tour.
This is an oldie but goodie on an old QAnon account that does indeed put time frames in perspective.
Now That We Have Confirmation From Dr. Jan Halper-Hayes That There Is In Fact A Military Intelligence Plan In Place Playing Out, This Timeline Puts Things Into Perspective. pic.twitter.com/dNOPGzlz5j
I found the reply here terribly interesting. It’s worth looking at Brian’s full tweet.
You have an enduring spirit—and always keep in mind, in prayer we are saved, even though we cannot see what it is (that’s called faith). With reason, we can see and test it because we can see and touch it…faith and hope are things that you cannot see, you need to trust that one…
This is also going to be big – Lara Logan’s new production on January Sixth.
Trennis Evans pled guilty to one misdemeanor charge of entering a restricted building & he is forced to serve out his sentence in jail where he is held in solitary confinement for a few days at a time. The cell where he is housed is where they put prisoners to punish them. All… https://t.co/OhCoMlGpXn
Now – check this out – a long train of tweets to some fascinating references.
First – UGH – the photo on the right.
Munchausen by proxy (MBP), also known as factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA), is a mental health disorder in which a caregiver, often a parent or guardian, intentionally fabricates or exaggerates physical or psychological symptoms in someone under their care. This could… pic.twitter.com/QbahOR55cn
That post notes the prior self-cutting by the young woman, visible in the photo. A pro-trans poster excuses the cutting as a result of gender dysphoria thereby requiring the surgery, while I might see the surgery as the ultimate form of “cutting”.
As an aside, I think the mom may be relieved of some guilt here. She was likely ready to believe anything that the doctors and trans activists told her. Thus, it is to some extent likely to be a kind of “Stockholm syndrome X Munchausen by proxy syndrome”.
The original poster responds with an excellent old article questioning trans surgeries.
Jest to zwyczajnie nieprawda: nawet lewicowe publikacje były wielokrotnie zmuszone przyznać, że "tranzycja" nie pomaga:https://t.co/4GIbkxsUfj
New Data Show “Gender-Affirming” Surgery Doesn’t Really Improve Mental Health. So Why Are the Study’s Authors Saying It Does?
This is an absolutely fascinating example of “agenda science” and intentional misrepresentation of data. Check out the summary of the article:
Data from a new study show that the beneficial effect of surgery for transgender people is so small that a clinic may have to perform as many as 49 gender-affirming surgeries before they could expect to prevent one additional person from seeking subsequent mental health treatment. Yet that’s not what the authors say. That the authors corrupted otherwise-excellent data and analyses with a skewed interpretation signals an abandonment of scientific rigor and reason in favor of complicity with activist groups seeking to normalize infertility-inducing and permanently disfiguring surgeries.
This is EXACTLY what is wrong with science all over the place now. COVID science is just like this. Mask science, too. This dishonesty of interpretation is everywhere. AGENDA SCIENCE.
Here is the full text of the article, saved from censorship.
A new study appearing last month in the American Journal of Psychiatry concluded that “gender-affirming” surgery is associated with reduced demand for subsequent mental health treatment in a sample of persons diagnosed with “gender incongruence.” Predictably, such news received wide media interest and coverage. And yet even a cursory reading of the study itself tells a far less optimistic story than the media narratives—as well as the authors’ own inexplicable confidence—have offered. Indeed, the analyses would seem to suggest the benefit of a hormonal or surgical course does not outweigh the demonstrable physical and financial costs of such treatments. Future studies might suggest otherwise, but not this one.
The study’s shortcomings have nothing to do with the data, nor the methods employed by its authors (and public health researchers) Richard Bränström and John Pachankis. The data come from the Swedish Total Population Register, a massive, longitudinal survey effort that collected information from over 9.7 million Swedes, or about 95 percent of the country. No complaints there. The analyses are high-quality: the authors tracked respondents over time and assessed their use of mental health treatment (for a mood or anxiety disorder) in 2015, as well as other related measures (such as hospitalization after a suicide attempt), as a function of time since gender-affirming hormone and surgical treatment. Its measurement precision is excellent, and would satisfy most methodological purists. So far, all good news. But then come the scholarly interpretations of the study’s results, which are remarkably out of step with the far more modest conclusions they merit.
The study found no mental health benefits for hormonal interventions in this population. There is no effect of time since initiating hormone treatment on the likelihood of subsequently receiving mental health treatment.
First, a word about the hormones: the study found no mental health benefits for hormonal interventions in this population. There is no effect of time since initiating hormone treatment on the likelihood of subsequently receiving mental health treatment. Given the surge in interest, demand, and supply of hormonal therapies to self-identified transgender persons today, you would think that it is a solution that pays obvious benefits in reduced subsequent need—over time—for treatment of mood or anxiety disorder, or hospitalization after a suicide attempt. Yet there was no statistically significant effect. In fact, the confidence intervals actually reveal a nearly significant aggravating effect of hormonal treatment on subsequent mental health needs.
It is the surgical effect, however, that has grabbed all the attention. Bränström and Pachankis detected a statistically significant effect of time since last “gender-affirming” surgery on reduced mental health treatment. The adjusted (for controls) odds ratio for this was 0.92, meaning that, among respondents diagnosed with “gender incongruence” who then received gender-affirming surgical treatment, the odds of being treated for a mood or anxiety disorder (in 2015) were reduced by about 8 percent for each year since the last surgery. In other words, it would appear that the surgery—or more typically, the series of surgeries—benefited their mental health.
But the authors discuss a “linear decrease” in seeking subsequent mental health care that is simply not visible in the study’s graphs, where post-surgical mental health treatment hovers stably around 35 percent among those in their first nine years after surgery, and then drops to only 21 percent of those patients who are in their tenth (or higher) year since their last surgery. However, only 19 total respondents reported their last surgery as having been completed 10 or more years ago. By contrast, 574 (out of 1,018 total) reported their last surgery as having been conducted less than two years ago. (Surgical treatment is clearly surging.) This means that the apparently helpful overall effect of surgery is driven by this comparatively steep drop in mood/anxiety treatment among only 19 patients. By the math, that would seem to indicate that four out of these 19 Swedes (i.e., 21 percent) sought help in 2015 for mood/anxiety problems.
While the study reports the adjusted odds ratio of the overall effect of time since surgery (0.92), which I cannot replicate without having data access, you don’t need the data to calculate an unadjusted odds ratio from the information presented there. This can tell us the baseline effect of time since surgery on receiving mood and anxiety treatment, only without the controls (like age, income, etc.). Doing this reveals the fragility of the study’s key finding: if a mere three additional cases among these 19 had sought mental health treatment in 2015, there would appear to be no discernible overall effect of surgery on subsequent mental health. The study’s trumpeted conclusion may hinge on as few as three people in a data collection effort reaching 9.7 million Swedes, 2,679 of whom were diagnosed with gender incongruence and just over 1,000 of whom had gender-affirming surgery.
The study’s trumpeted conclusion may hinge on as few as three people in a data collection effort reaching 9.7 million Swedes, 2,679 of whom were diagnosed with gender incongruence and just over 1,000 of whom had gender-affirming surgery.
An increase of just three treated individuals (from 4 to 7 of 19) brings the overall effect to zero. On the other hand, a decrease of just three treated individuals (from 4 to 1 out of 19) yields an (unadjusted) odds ratio of 0.88, which would enable a claim of a 12-percent reduction in mental health assistance from getting the surgery. These large swings in estimates are due to very small adjustments in the data. As is often the case with small samples, tiny changes lead to large fluctuations in estimated effects. But, for this patient population, you are not going to find larger data collection projects than the Swedish data. This is as good as it gets when it comes to studying transgender medical experiences and outcomes.
Another helpful statistic I calculated is called the NNT, or “Number Needed to Treat.” It’s a measure of clinical impact. In this study, the NNT appears to be a staggering 49, meaning the beneficial effect of surgery is so small that a clinic may have to perform 49 gender-affirming surgeries before they could expect to prevent one additional person from seeking subsequent mental health assistance [ref] In this case, the NNT = -1 * [1/[(OR-1)UER] + OR/[(OR-1)(1-UER)]]. Using an adjusted odds ratio (OR) of 0.92 and an unexposed event rate (UER) = 0.453, I get NNT = 49 cases. The UER I employ here comes from the mood/anxiety treatment rate for “perioperative” individuals with gender incongruence, as reported in the study’s Figure 1. The term “perioperative,” however, is vague and not defined by the authors. (It could mean right before or right after surgery.) It is not, however, a control group (that is, of Swedes diagnosed with gender incongruence who have not pursued surgical treatment). However, even such a control group would have limitations, including selection bias (e.g., screening for co-occurring mental illness or a lower level of gender dysphoria). Indeed, a prospective randomized controlled trial is not possible with this population. Nevertheless, the number employed offers a reasonable baseline UER, given the available data. NNTs below 10 “usually denote a worthwhile difference when comparing one intervention with another,” notes Leslie Citrome in “Quantifying Clinical Relevance.”[/ref]. If no other treatment was available, or the treatment was not invasive and the hazards were insignificant, clinics might consider surgery a low-risk but low-payoff approach. But none of those applies here. Conducting 49 surgeries to secure one additional patient who benefits? Unheard of.
The authors are nevertheless quick to declare that “this study provides timely support for policies that ensure coverage of gender-affirming treatments.” I cannot see how such confidence is merited. Time since hormonal treatment yielded no discernible effect on subsequent use of mental health treatment, while the modest effect of surgery hinges on a handful of cases from an earlier era (10 or more years ago) when very few gender dysphoric patients pursued surgery at all. And it’s not a leap to wonder whether those who did so a decade ago are a different kind of group than those who do so today. Moreover, suicide—the threat that seems to prompt all the urgency in doing something radical to alleviate psychological distress in these patients—may well have claimed an unknown number of Swedes who had had gender-affirming surgery ten or more years ago. We just don’t know, because the study does not track completed suicides for this sample.
If this were a clinical trial seeking to establish the efficacy of a particularly invasive medical treatment in comparison with a non-invasive standard protocol, there is no way that these published results would favor the invasive treatment—in this case, “gender affirming” surgery—when the statistical difference in outcomes was so tiny and fragile. This is not, contrary to what Bränström told ABC News, an evidence-informed treatment. That the authors corrupted otherwise excellent data and analyses with a skewed interpretation signals an abandonment of scientific rigor and reason in favor of complicity with activist groups seeking to normalize infertility-inducing and permanently disfiguring surgeries.
Physicians should not be pushed to prescribe such profoundly consequential treatment by threat of call-out, malpractice suits, patient demand, or—in this case—the overreaching interpretations of quality data. Clinicians are being bullied into writing a radical prescription based on fear, not on sensible conclusions from empirical data.
But this reasonable position is getting more difficult to defend. Less than two months after another team of activist psychiatrists landed a weak study on “conversion” therapy in the journal JAMA Psychiatry, its lead author has commenced a movement aimed at a wholesale ban on such a notion. This is alarming, especially since the idea itself—“converting” from having become convinced you are born in the wrong body to concluding that you can live with the body you have—is nonsensical. There is no defined psychotherapeutic method for treating gender dysphoria that can be widely characterized and consistently identified as “conversion therapy” in order to be banned. Nor has there been a clinical trial evaluating specific psychotherapeutic methods of counseling gender dysphoria that could potentially demonstrate whether such methods are helpful or harmful.
This is not how normal medical research works.
Can’t end this discussion without some interesting discussion of trinitite.
Right, there was probably a meteor strike. No way something like that doesn’t get the “why did this happen” treatment from generations to follow. Here’s the Forbes article.https://t.co/6WVj4kxPzs
My thesis here is that the Cabal learned, in the late 1960s, early 1970s, that the earth was likely heading into an ice age. I documented this in GREENHOUSE, ICEHOUSE OR CLIMATIC MADHOUSE? h/t Neuman and Hearty (1996) They decided to hide that fact from the general population while preparing for glaciation by consolidating power, conserving resources and reducing world population growth. Via grant money they also directed research into genetic manipulation of plants and animals, surveillance techniques and other technology. They knew that over the last 5 to 8 million years during glaciation, CO2 dipped dangerously low, forcing the evolution of C4 plants and the extinction of mammals. This explains many of their disinformation campaigns such as ‘Global Warming, CO2 is BAD, Feminism, abortion is good, and having too many kids is BAD. It even explains the nuclear power scares. They are well aware that the Grand Solar Maximum that lifted the earth out of the Little Ice Age has now ended, and they may truly think that a new Ice Age is imminent.
No one wants to stick their neck out and predict glaciation, but it does not matter. The only choices are glaciation or a climatic ‘madhouse.’ Either way the only climate we will see in the near future is the ‘madhouse.’
Before I get into the evidence showing why the Cabal wants to conserve coal, oil and nuclear fuels for use during the coming cooling/ice age, I want to point out another indicator that the Cabal is expecting the transition to glacial conditions AND THEY EXPECT IT NOW. Since William McClenney wrote Glacial Inception: the climatic ‘madhouse’nine years ago, his link to the Neuman & Hearty paper has gone dead … Imagine that!!! Since I started to write this paper even more ‘clean-up’ of ‘inconvenient’ information has occurred so I am going to address that as a separate topic.
CLIMATIC MADHOUSE
I would also like to point out the recent change in the Cabal’s rhetoric. The talking heads no longer use ‘Global Warming,’ since it is no longer warming, and instead use ‘Climate Change’ or ‘Climate Disruption’. Hearty uses the phrase ‘Climatic Madhouse’ for the same phenomena. That is certainly a good reason for the Cabal to deep six the paper referenced by McClenney at WUWT. They do not want a reference pointing out that ‘Climate Disruption’ is not only natural, but an indication that we are heading into either Little Ice Age conditions or a full blown Ice Age.
The geology of the Last Interglaciation (sensu stricto, marine isotope substage (MIS) 5e) in the Bahamas records the nature of sea level and climate change. After a period of quasi-stability for most of the interglaciation, during which reefs grew to +2.5 m, sea level rose rapidly at the end of the period, incising notches in older limestone. After brief stillstands at +6 and perhaps +8.5 m, sea level fell with apparent speed to the MIS 5d lowstand and much cooler climatic conditions. It was during this regression from the MIS 5e highstand that the North Atlantic suffered an oceanographic “reorganization” about 118±3 ka ago. During this same interval, massive dune-building greatly enlarged the Bahama Islands. Giant waves reshaped exposed lowlands into chevron-shaped beach ridges, ran up on older coastal ridges, and also broke off and threw megaboulders onto and over 20 m-high cliffs. The oolitic rocks recording these features yield concordant whole-rock amino acid ratios across the archipelago. Whether or not the Last Interglaciation serves as an appropriate analog for our “greenhouse” world, it nonetheless reveals the intricate details of climatic transitions between warm interglaciations and near glacial conditions.
And a paper by different authors looking at a different part of the world showing a similar chaotic transition from the warm phase to the cold phase.
This is a review of several different studies. The scientists are looking at both the geochemical data and the biological data (pollen), two independent methods of determining the climate of the past showing the same chaos.
1. INTRODUCTION
The time intervals of global large-scale transitions between glacial and interglacial epochs are characterized by instable stages throughout Quaternary climate course. During such warm-cold transitions an increase of mid- and small-scale climate variations can be expected….
At the very end of the Eemian (PAZ E7) and just before the complete change to glacial conditions, a brief phase of warming is recognized from all geochemical indicators. This is indicated by the coordinate increase of contents and stable isotope values of both lake carbonate and the organic sediment fraction…
…Comparable findings were also described by earlier investigations of the Neumark–Nord profile (Litt, 1994). A pronounced increase of fluctuations in arboreal vegetation during the final stage of the Last Interglacial in LPAZ N8 is observed…. at least two stages of degradation of coniferous forest vegetation, while birch woodlands became widespread. Together with geochemical data, these can be interpreted as an indicator of increased climatic instability caused by short warming events during the very end of the Last Interglacial (Eemian)….
The earth’s climate seems to be bistable so that a temperature ‘low point’ has “increased climatic instability” as seen during the Little Ice Age. So whether we are looking at the very end of the Holocene and Glacial inception OR the earth bumping along at the low point with “cooling over the next ~90,000 years.” – Dr.Lorraine Lisiecki, April 6, 2010 at 7:31 pmthe chances are the earth will be experiencing increasingly unstable weather and the Cabal, darn well KNOWS THAT. Hence the new term ‘Climate Disruption’.
WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTIC WE CAN EXPECT OF A COMING ICE AGE?
‘Arid, Windy, Dusty’ from lack of rain plus much lower CO2. Combine that with a shorter cooler summer growing season and you are looking at starvation, UNLESS you have greenhouses with Heat, CO2 and desalinated water. Under those conditions, coal, oil, gas and nuclear are priceless resources.
….The close correlation between climate and vegetation is evident in every part of the world. (The cold, dry conditions of Antarctica and the moist & humid conditions of the tropical rain forests in South America are just two examples of this powerful interaction.) The strong connection between the two is also proving to play a key role in categorizing and dividing the global climate into more specific zones….
Late in the 19th century, climatologist and botanist Wladimir Köppen developed a climate classification system based on vegetation. He used the correlation between vegetation and climate in different regions to divide the world’s climate into specific zones….
Climatologists continued to make amendments to Köppen’s climate classification. Rudolf Geiger was probably the most influential in making important amendments, and the subsequent Köppen-Geiger Classification System is one of the most widely used today….
The following graphs shows the Köppen Climate Boundary for mid America. If you look at the bottom graph, you can see how the cooling in the 1970s moved the Köppen Climate Boundary south by about 150 to 200 miles. Think what that did to the grain harvests in not only the USA, but also in Canada, Russia and China. World leaders were panicking as world grain stores were depleted to a 30 day supply by1969 per 1974 CIA Report mentioned below.
This is the December 3, 1972 Letter from George Kukla and others warning Nixon of a coming Ice Age. I originally saw this letter at Tony Heller’s site. Between the time I started writing and now it was removed. However I found another copy.
An important conference was held in January at Brown University: “The Present Interglacial, How and When Will it End?” As a result, the following letter was sent to the President. The media has not reported this, but you should be aware of the letter and its significance.
Dear Mr. President:
Aware of your deep concern with the future of the world, we feel obliged to inform you on the results of the scientific conference held here recently. The conference dealt with the past and future changes of climate and was attended by 42 top American and European investigators. We enclose the summary report published in Science and further publications are forthcoming in Quaternary Research.
The main conclusion of the meeting was that a global deterioration of climate, by order of magnitude larger than any hitherto experience by civilized mankind, is a very real possibility and indeed may be due very soon.
The cooling has natural cause and falls within the rank of processes which produced the last ice age. This is a surprising result based largely on recent studies of deep sea sediments.
Existing data still do not allow forecast of the precise timing of the predicted development, nor the assessment of the man’s interference with the natural trends. It could not be excluded however that the cooling now under way in the Northern Hemisphere is the start of the expected shift. The present rate of the cooling seems fast enough to bring glacial temperatures in about a century, if continuing at the present pace.
The practical consequences which might be brough by such developments to existing social institution are among others:
(1) Substantially lowered food production due to the shorter growing seasons and changed rain distribution in the main grain producing belts of the world, with Eastern Europe and Central Asia to be first affected.
(2) Increased frequency and amplitude of extreme weather anomalies such as those bringing floods, snowstorms, killing frosts, etc.
With the efficient help of the world leaders, the research …
With best regards,
George J. Kukla (Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory) R. K. Matthews (Chairman, Dept of Geological Sciences, Brown U)
And a 1974 article by the Guardian. Again, H/T Tony Heller. Funny, this one was not deep-sixed like the above image.
The Malthusian Eugenicists like John D Rockefeller seized on this coming Ice Age information to further scare world leaders into going along with their Depopulation plans as documented in the 1974 Kissinger Report, otherwise known as the National Security Study Memorandum NSSM 200[my excerpts]. (See the rest of my Depop series listed at the end of the article.)
As secret reports like 1974 NSSM 200 and the 1974 CIA Report: “A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems” were being written about the coming cooling/ possible glaciation, Maurice Strong, the Rockefeller’s lapdog, was screaming about ‘Global Warming’ at the UN Conference on the Human Environment, (June 1972.) There he was busytelling the newly formed NGOs to go home and raise hell. NGOs BTW were Strong’s brainchild based on YMCA International who he had worked with.LINK
It is instructive to read Strong’s 1972 Stockholm speech and compare it with the issues of Earth Summit 1992.Strong warned urgently about global warming, the devastation of forests, the loss of biodiversity, polluted oceans, the population time bomb. Then as now, he invited to the conference the brand-new environmental NGOs [non-governmental organizations]: he gave them money to come; they were invited to raise hell at home. After Stockholm, environment issues became part of the administrative framework in Canada, the U.S., Britain, and Europe. http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html
A year later the Rockefeller OPEC puppets — Think ARAMCO who Strong worked for — implemented the 1973 oil embargo quadrupling the price of oil by 1974. Remember, on August 15, 1971, President Richard Nixon closed the U.S. gold window and the Petrodollar Agreement was implemented in 1973.
“..There was a phony “nationalization” of Aramco in the 1970s… the Saudi government took over Aramco, formally, but then immediately turned around and granted the Aramco-Rockefeller consortium the exclusive contract to “manage” the operation…” LINK
So any bets the Malthusian Rockefellers were behind OPEC?
COOLING VS THE FOOD PROBLEM – First there is the problem of WATER.
I think everyone is aware of what shorter growing seasons do to the food supply, at least I hope so. I also hope people can connect increase in solar energy going into the oceans with an increase of evaporation and thus an increase in rain. Likewise a DECREASE in solar energy will mean less evaporation and less rain. Compared to the Holocene, the Wisconsin Ice Age was very dry.
“Summary map of vegetation cover at 8,000 14C years BP. By 8,000 14C y.a., the Earth was under a full interglacial climate,[the Holocene]with conditions warmer and moister than present in many parts of the world. Tropical forest in Africa (and probably also Asia) was expanded in area, and the areas of desert in Africa and Asia were much reduced.”
Africa is interesting. The present potential looks more like the full glaciation map than it does like the Early Holocene map.
Full glaciation
Early Holocene
Present Potential
So the first problem in an Ice Age (and now) is the lack of RAIN.
Greenhouses take the chaotic weather out of the picture
“The ice that had formed from falling snow during the transition from the last of the cold, dry, windy ice ages to the first of the warm, wet calms of the modern 10,000-year-long Holocene climate is 1,678 meters, just over a mile, down the GISP2 core. Rendered in ice, what exactly would it look like, this boundary of epochs? The young American scientists had read the literature from Chet Langway, Willi Dansgaard, Hans Oeschger, Wally Broecker, and others, and they had heard from the Europeans, who were about a year ahead of them in drilling at Summit. Yet still they were not entirely prepared for what they saw that day in the ice, for the suddenness of it.”…
“‘You did not need to be a trained ice core observer to see this,’ recalled Alley. ‘Ken Taylor is sitting there with the ECM and he’s running along and his green line is going wee, wee, wee, wee – Boing! Weep! Woop! And then it stays down.’ Dust in the windy ice age atmosphere lowered the acidity of the core to a completely new state. ‘We’re just standing there and he just draws a picture of it,”‘Alley said.”….
“𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝗜𝗦𝗣𝟮 𝘀𝗰𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗵, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗱𝗼𝘄𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗲𝗺𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗔𝗹𝗹𝗲𝘆’𝘀 𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗻 𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗰𝗲. “𝗜𝘁 𝘀𝗹𝗶𝗱𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗰𝗿𝗼𝘀𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗜’𝗺 𝘁𝗿𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀: ‘𝗧𝗵𝗮𝘁’𝘀 𝗮 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿, 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁’𝘀 𝗮 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁’𝘀 𝗮 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 – 𝘄𝗼𝗼𝗽𝘀, 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗼𝗻𝗲’𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗮𝗹𝗳 𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗸.’ 𝗔𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝘁’𝘀 𝘀𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂. 𝗔𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲’𝘀 𝗮 𝗵𝘂𝗴𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗰𝗲, 𝗶𝘁 𝗴𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿, 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮 𝗹𝗼𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗱𝘂𝘀𝘁.” [The clear thick ice would be the Holocene and as they go deeper they see the transition to the Wisconsin Ice Age. – GC]
Paper after paper began to roll off the scientific presses from 1992 on, and just like the unfolding recognition of plate tectonics which preceded it by a few decades, it was literally riveting for all of us geologists fascinated by the Quaternary. So we get our first trap-speed 👉 𝕔𝕝𝕚𝕞𝕒𝕥𝕖 𝕔𝕒𝕟 𝕤𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕔𝕙 𝕒𝕓𝕣𝕦𝕡𝕥𝕝𝕪 𝕗𝕣𝕠𝕞 𝕚𝕥𝕤 𝕔𝕠𝕝𝕕 𝕥𝕠 𝕚𝕥𝕤 𝕨𝕒𝕣𝕞 𝕤𝕥𝕒𝕥𝕖 𝕚𝕟 𝕛𝕦𝕤𝕥 𝕠𝕟𝕖 𝕪𝕖𝕒𝕣.….” — William McClenney, Geologist THE END OF THE HOLOCENE
Notice the optimal range is 700 to 1200 PPM over double the current ambient levels. Also note plants suck the CO2 down to around 200 ppm. Outdoor studies have shown the same. Technology has even advanced to the point there is now a CO2 OPTIMIZER.
Growers tend to supplement CO2 in their greenhouse using a combination of educated guesswork and their talent and skill for growing crops. Adding CO2 is a matter of ‘feeling’, because it is simply not possible to measure the effectiveness of CO2. That is, until now. Ridder has, in partnership with Wageningen University, developed the CO2 Optimizer. This smart and helpful software module calculates the optimum level of CO2 in the greenhouse, enabling the grower to determine the most effective CO2 dose. The result: no more worrying about your CO2 strategy – it will always be on point for the best possible yields!
That device would certainly be useful in Ice Age greenhouses.
URANIUM AND NUCLEAR POWER
An obvious solution to the ‘cold, dry, windy ’ problem of an Ice Age is desalination. Israel put into large scale use the reverse osmosis technology developed in the USA in the early 60s. LINK 1 as well as water conservation methods in agriculture LINK 2-Israel agi.
Desalination was first developed in Israel in 1965, when Mekorot, Israel’s national water utility, established the first seawater desalination facility using vaporization technology in an effort to address the chronic thirst of the city of Eilat, located at the extreme southern tip of Israel on the Red Sea. A highly energy-intensive process, Mekorot looked for an alternative, energy-saving process, which it found in the reverse osmosis (RO) technology developed in the United States. In the early 1970s after the energy crisis of the Yom Kippur War, Mekorot began installing small-scale brackish water RO-desalination plants and, within the decade, established 15 desalination plants that supplied water to the Arava valley residents. Increasing demand and decreasing supply of freshwater in the coming years encouraged Mekorot to develop seawater desalination as an additional source, and the first plant (which desalinated a mixture of seawater and the reject brine from desalinated brackish water) commenced operation in 1997 in Eilat (Mekorot 2006). The motivation behind desalination of seawater in Israel stems from the fact that current demand and projected future demand cannot be met by natural freshwater sources alone – a disparity that results from population growth, overconsumption, misallocation, and pollution…
Nuclear desalination can be considered one of the most viable means of producing fresh water in arid areas. This publication addresses environmental concerns, and aims to improve understanding. It provides an overview of the nature and magnitude of the environmental impacts of nuclear desalination. In addition to detailing experimental data and the experience gained in operating nuclear desalination projects, it highlights risks perceived by the public. The publication encompasses environmental and socioeconomic information provided by specialized sources including some Member States with extensive experience in operating nuclear desalination systems. Addressing these concerns can be of critical importance for the effective use of nuclear desalination to its full potential….
The U.S. was among the first commercial adopters of nuclear energy in the 1950s, explaining the number of aging reactors today.A building boom between the 1960s and 1970s created today’s nuclear power plants in the United States. Of the five reactors completed in the 1990s and the one finished in 2016, all were holdovers of delayed construction projects from the 1970s experiencing roadblocks due to regulatory problems and mounting opposition to nuclear energy…
So despite nuclear energy being CO2 neutral and the southwest’s need for water, the USA has not approved new construction since the 1970s…. There is that critical 1970s decade again when everything changed.
Giving society cheap, abundant energy … would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.
Paul Ehrlich, “An Ecologist’s Perspective on Nuclear Power”, May/June 1978 issue of Federation of American Scientists Public Issue Report
Not only was the area in the USA/Canada/Russia/China moved south by 100 to 200 miles in the seventies, CO2 is very soluble in COLD WATER (van ‘t Hoff equation.) So as the earth cools CO2 gets sucked up by the oceans thereby lowering the amount of CO2 available for plants.
As ocean temperatures rise, the solubility of CO2 in seawater declines. Thus increasing ocean temperature moves CO2 from the ocean into the atmosphere, and decreasing ocean temperatures move CO2 out of the atmosphere and back into the ocean. As you can see in the graph below, a 10C shift in temperature causes about 30% reduction in dissolved CO2. Closely corresponding to what we see in the measured ice core graph above. — Tony Heller
Under stress seeds will not even start and the cut off is ~220 ppm CO2. The Climastrologists played games with the measurements of ice cores and came up with 150. AGAIN the chemistry is CO2 loves water so the air bubbles have less CO2 than the entire ice sample. Dr Zbigniew Jaworowski explains that dis-info campaign HERE.
Plant fossils obtained from sedimentary rocks and peat deposits are a relatively new tool being used to unravel Earth’s carbon dioxide (CO2) history. Tiny pores on plant leaves and needles called stomata regulate carbon dioxide absorption and water vapor release. Stomata numbers decrease during times of high atmospheric CO2, and increase when atmospheric CO2 is low….
The vast majority of land plants we rely on for human food and energy use the C3 pathway, which is the oldest of the pathways for carbon fixation, and it is found in plants of all taxonomies. Almost all extant nonhuman primates across all body sizes, including prosimians, new and old world monkeys, and all the apes—even those who live in regions with C4 and CAM plants—depend on C3 plants for sustenance….
The problem is the C3 pathway needs more water and CO2 than the C4 pathway and both were in short supply during the last Ice Age and are certainly not at optimum levels now as shown by the African desertification since the Holocene Optimum.
The Rancho La Brea tar pit fossil collection includes Juniperus (C3) wood specimens that 14C date between 7.7 and 55 thousand years (kyr) B.P., providing a constrained record of plant response for southern California during the last glacial period. Atmospheric CO2 concentration ([CO2]) ranged between 180 and 220 ppm during glacial periods, rose to 280 ppm before the industrial period, and is currently approaching 380 ppm in the modern atmosphere. Here we report on [delta]13C of Juniperus wood cellulose, and show that glacial and modern trees were operating at similar leaf- intercellular [CO2](ci)/atmospheric [CO2](ca) values. As a result, glacial trees were operating at ci values much closer to the CO2-compensation point for C3 photosynthesis than modern trees, indicating that glacial trees were undergoing carbon starvation. In addition, we modeled relative humidity by using [delta]18O of cellulose from the same Juniperus specimens and found that glacial humidity was 10% higher than that in modern times, indicating that differences in vapor-pressure deficits did not impose additional constrictions on ci/ca in the past. By scaling ancient ci values to plant growth by using modern relationships, we found evidence that C3 primary productivity was greatly diminished in southern California during the last glacial period.
“…glacial humidity was 10% higher than that in modern times…” as the below maps show. This may indicate why the Cabal wants California and the US Southwest cleared of those pesky ‘Deplorables.’
At the most extreme stage of the last glaciation, most of Canada and much of the northern USA were covered by an ice sheet thousands of metres in thickness. Colder and often drier than present conditions predominated across most of the USA. The eastern deciduous and conifer forests were replaced by more open conifer woodlands with cooler-climate species of pines and a large component of spruce. The open spruce woodland and parkland extended somewhat further west than present, into what is now the prairie zone. As a result of aridity and lowering of sea level (which lowered inland water tables), much of Florida was covered by drifting sand dunes. Notably moister than present conditions occurred across much of the south-west, with open conifer woodlands and scrub common in areas that are now semi-desert.
The decline of atmospheric CO2 over the last 65 million years (Ma) resulted in the ‘CO2-starvation’ of terrestrial ecosystems and led to the widespread distribution of C4 plants, which are less sensitive to CO2 levels than are C3 plants. Global expansion of C4 biomass is recorded in the diets of mammals from Asia, Africa, North America, and South America during the interval from about 8 to 5 Ma. This was accompanied by the most significant Cenozoic faunal turnover on each of these continents, indicating that ecological changes at this time were an important factor in mammalian extinction. Further expansion of tropical C4 biomass in Africa also occurred during the last glacial interval confirming the link between atmospheric CO2 levels and C4 biomass response. Changes in fauna and flora at the end of the Miocene, and between the last glacial and interglacial, have previously been attributed to changes in aridity; however, an alternative explanation for a global expansion of C4 biomass is CO2 starvation of C3 plants when atmospheric CO2 levels dropped below a threshold significant to C3 plants. Aridity may also have been a factor in the expansion of C4 ecosystems but one that was secondary to, and perhaps because of, gradually decreasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. Mammalian evolution in the late Neogene, then, may be related to the CO2 starvation of C3 ecosystems.
Lower CO2 levels PLUS lower moisture with a COLD boot from glaciation did lead to the evolution of C4 and CAM plants which use a different but more energy expensive chemical pathway to conserve water.
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society -biological sciences -1998
…Changes in fauna and flora at the end of the Miocene, and between the last glacial and interglacial, have previously been attributed to changes in aridity; however, an alternative explanation for a global expansion of C4 biomass is carbon dioxide starvation of C3 plants when atmospheric carbon dioxide levels dropped below a threshold significant to C3 plants. Aridity may also have been a factor in the expansion of C4 ecosystems but one that was secondary to, and perhaps because of, gradually decreasing carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere.Mammalian evolution in the late Neogene, then, may be related to the carbon dioxide starvation of C3 ecosystems.
C4 photosynthesis is a series of anatomical and biochemical modifications that concentrate CO2 around the carboxylating enzyme Rubisco, thereby increasing photo-synthetic efficiency in conditions promoting high rates of photo-respiration. The C4 pathway independently evolved over 45 times in 19 families of angiosperms, and thus represents one of the most convergent of evolutionary phenomena. Most origins of C4 photosynthesis occurred in the dicots, with at least 30 lineages. C4 photosynthesis first arose in grasses, probably during the Oligocene epoch (24–35 million yr ago). The earliest C4 dicots are likely members of the Chenopodiaceae dating back 15–21 million yr; however, most C4 dicot lineages are estimated to have appeared relatively recently, perhaps less than 5 million yr ago. C4 photosynthesis in the dicots originated in arid regions of low latitude, implicating combined effects of heat, drought and/or salinity as important conditions promoting C4 evolution. Low atmospheric CO2 is a significant contributing factor, because it is required for high rates of photorespiration. Consistently, the appearance of C4 plants in the evolutionary record coincides with periods of increasing global aridification and declining atmospheric CO2. Gene duplication followed by neo- and nonfunctionalization are the leading mechanisms for creating C4 genomes, with selection for carbon conservation traits under conditions promoting high photo respiration being the ultimate factor behind the origin of C4 photosynthesis.
Speaking of plants, while scientists will lie to keep the grant money coming, plants do not.
Gail, put this in your bookmarks…….they found the cut off was 220 ppm….not 200 I don’t know where people got the idea that it’s 150 and keep repeating that….220 stops them
What is interesting is ALL the archived versions of this June 2010 paper prior to September 28, 2019 have been scrubbed…
Side note on ‘disappearing’ info: Climate Alarmism Central actually does exist. It is part of the Aspen Global Change Institute. I will be getting into that mess in my next article.
…Such studies have shown that the average biomass production of modern C3 plants is reduced by c. 50% when grown at low (180–220 ppm) vs modern (350–380 ppm) [CO2], when other conditions are optimal (Sage & Coleman, 2001; Fig. 5). There is, however, variation in this response among C3 species (Fig. 5), as well as within C3 species, whereby reductions in biomass may vary by 40–70% among genotypes (Ward & Strain, 1997; Hovenden & Schimanski, 2000; Mohan et al., 2004). In addition, as [CO2] declines to 150 ppm, biomass production may be reduced by as much as 92%, as was observed in A. theophrasti (Dippery et al., 1995; Figs 2, 5)….
Notice the LIE by omission? They are talking BIOMASS and not how well the plants do from seed germination to producing the seeds for the next generation during a growing season.. Under stress the seeds will not even start to grow.
The biology of seeds can be divided in three important phases: development that includes zygotic embryogenesis, dormancy that prevents seeds from germinating under unfavorable conditions and germination (seed emergence). The transition between dormancy and germination represents a critical stage in the life cycle of higher plants and it is an important ecological and commercial trait. Seed germination is regulated by endogenous hormonal cues and external environmental signals such as water, low temperature and light, which influence whether an imbibed seed completes germination or remains dormant. Seed dormancy, a temporary quiescent state that is observed in seeds from many plants species, prevents untimely germination and ensures plant survival by adjusting vegetative development to seasonal changes in the environment. A dynamic balance between synthesis and catabolism of the abscisic acid (ABA) and gibberellins (GAs) controls the equilibrium between dormancy and germination. At the molecular level, the ABA/GA balance is in part determined by the antagonistic control of ABA and GA on each other through their reciprocal regulation of the transcription of their metabolic genes.
The ABA, derived from epoxycarotenoid cleavage, serves as a plant-specific signal during development and in response to environmental stresses such as cold, drought and high concentrations of salt in the soil. The ABA also elicits, among others numerous physiological functions, the closure of stomatal pores to restrict transpiration, adjustment of metabolism to tolerate desiccation and cold temperatures, and inhibition seedlings growth. Likewise, ABA represses germination and is presumed to function to stabilize the dormant state. ABA, like other hormones, functions through a complex network of signaling pathways where the cell response is initiated by ABA perception which triggers downstream signaling cascades to induce the final physiological effects….
Even C4 plants do better in higher CO2 atmospheres.
…In summary, it is clear that C4 plants do indeed respond positively to increases in the air’s CO2 concentration by exhibiting reduced stomatal conductances and transpirational water losses, which contribute to increases in water-use efficiency. Hence, knowledgeable researchers are suggesting that the long-held view that C4 plants will not be benefited by elevated concentrations of atmospheric CO2 needs to be replaced with this more correct assessment (Wand et al., 1999; Zhu et al., 1999). Clearly, as the atmospheric CO2 concentration increases, most C4 plants will almost certainly display increases in water-use efficiency, which should allow them to better deal with conditions of water stress. Consequently, this phenomenon should allow plants of the future to expand their ranges into areas where they currently cannot survive due to limited soil moisture availability, thereby contributing to a great “greening of the globe.”
There is another more subtle aspect to the CO2 starvation level and that is the change in partial pressure as the elevation above sea level increases.
…. Carbon limitation due to lower ambient CO2 partial pressures had a significant impact on the distribution of forest on the tropical mountains, in addition to climate. Hence, tree line elevation should not be used to infer palaeotemperatures….
Estimates of glacial-interglacial climate change in tropical Africa have varied widely. Results from a process-based vegetation model show how montane vegetation in East Africa shifts with changes in both carbon dioxide concentration and climate. For the last glacial maximum, the change in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration alone could explain the observed replacement of tropical montane forest by a scrub biome. This result implies that estimates of the last glacial maximum tropical cooling based on tree- line shifts must be revised.”
…While [CO2] does not vary with elevation, CO2 partial pressure decreases in proportion to total atmospheric pressure. Under modern conditions, partial pressures of CO2 at high-elevation sites are 10–30% lower than at low-elevation sites, producing an even more conservative comparison between glacial and modern conditions….
That means if the CO2 level is around 210 ppm you can kiss trees and other C3 plants growing above sea level goodby and that is most of the earth.
…According to Barnola et al (1987) the level of CO2 in the global atmosphere during many tens of thousands of years spanning 30,000 to110,000 BP were below 200ppm. If this were true then the growth of C3 plants should be limited at the global scale because their net Photosynthesis is depressed as CO2 concentration in air decreases to less than about 250ubar (less than about 250ppmv)(McKay et al 1991) This would lead to the extinction of C3 plant species . This has however not been recorded by paleobotanists (Manum 1991).”
http://www.co2web.info/stoten92.pdf
Again, plants do not lie but the scientists owned by the Cabal do.
Since I have mentioned Köppen several times and I remember this information but not who said it, I feel it only fair to post E.M. Smith’s (ChiefIO‘s) comment:
From “Ice Age” by John and Mary Gribbin (a wonderful read, gives the richness of the characters in the discovery of the ice ages, the history of the process, and a gentle introduction to some of the science involved.):
Pg.53: […]the single most important thing to emerge from these discussions was Koppen’s realization of the key season in the Ice Age saga. Adhemar and Croll had thought that the decisive factor in encouraging Ice to spread across the Northern Hemisphere must be the occurrence of extremely cold winters, resulting in increased snowfall. At first, Milankovitch had shared this view. But it was Koppen who pointed out that it is always cold enough for snow to fall in the Arctic winter, even today, and that the reason that the Northern Hemisphere is not in the grip of a full Ice Age is because the ‘extra’ snow melts away again in the summer.
[EMS: Note that the Southern Hemisphere is similarly irrelevant to the ice age cycle since it is always cold enough for snow to stay frozen. It just doesn’t change enough to matter.]
Pg 54: He reasoned that the way to encourage the ice to spread would be to have a reduction in summer warmth, because then less of the winter snowfall would melt. If less snow melted in summer than fell in winter, the ice sheets would grow – and once they had started to grow, the feedback effect of the way the ice and snow reflect away incoming solar energy would enhance the process.
Pg 57: It isn’t so much that Ice Ages occur when the astronomical influences conspire to produce particularly cool summers, rather what matters is that Interglacials only occur when the astronomical influences conspire to produce unusually warm summers, encouraging the ice to retreat. Without all three of the astronomical rhythms working in step this way, the Earth stays in a deep freeze.
End Quote.
So, to summarize:
1) The south pole doesn’t matter to the process, it’s always frozen.
2) We are normally in a long ice age and only pop out for short intervals when conditions are just right.
3) The ‘just right’ is Northern Hemisphere summers warm enough to melt the snow and ice.
4) Warm enough is when the N. hemisphere: must be pointed at the sun in summer when: at close approach to the sun with the right elliptical shape, with the pole tilted over far enough, with… or we freeze.
I would add a note that I think it is particularly illuminating that we are near the end of an Interglacial (next stop is an ice age), the only thing that keeps it away is the summer Arctic ice and snow melt. So what is the AGW crowd in histrionics about? That the Arctic ice and snow are not sticking through the summer… Think about….
Right now Earth is nearest the sun during northern winters, farthest from the sun during northern summers. If E.M. Smith’s theory is correct, we’re headed for another ice age in the near future. This shift is called the precession of the equinoxes and has a period of 26,000 years. In only 12,000 years the perihelion will be in July. The summer solstice, 21 June @ 65◦ N is what most scientist use for measuring the critical solar insolation.
“As of 2014 the Holocene is exactly 11,717 years old (based on the end of the Younger Dryas cold interval). Or pretty much about half a precession cycle.” — William McClenney
Now, in 2023 it is 11726 years and we just went through the warm bump before the dive into the cold….
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Word of The Week:
Brix
unit of measurement
Degrees Brix (symbol °Bx) is a measure of the dissolved solids in a liquid, and is commonly used to measure dissolved sugar content of an aqueous solution. One degree Brix is 1 gram of sucrose in 100 grams of solution and represents the strength of the solution as percentage by mass. If the solution contains dissolved solids other than pure sucrose, then the °Bx only approximates the dissolved solid content. For example, when one adds equal amounts of salt and sugar to equal amounts of water, the degrees of refraction (BRIX) of the salt solution rises faster than the sugar solution. The °Bx is traditionally used in the wine, sugar, carbonated beverage, fruit juice, fresh produce, maple syrup and honey industries. The °Bx is also used for measuring the concentration of a cutting fluid mixed in water for metalworking processes.
As opposed to
Birx
Scarf Wench
Have not read her book, I must admit. Nice scarf.
YouTube says “violins” while I’m looking for “Wheatie epic music”, so let’s go with that….
Hey – what about the cellos?
Yeah! You remember last week…..
But we simply have to finish with the cellos!
Yeah, I’m spending far too much time in the near vicinity of Marxists and their downstream effects, and it shows. But still, kinda fun.
Continuing to pray for Carl. Thank you to DePat for helping out with a perfect Sunday message about Sunday itself!
And now for some useful scoop from the front lines.
TL;DR – Ohio has a sneaky “children’s sexual rights amendment” on the ballot.
In the course of our political work, I’ve come into contact with an interesting assortment of people representing a wide variety of political interests. There is often some “adjacency” and “intersectionality” as the other side loves to say, and in particular we run into specific candidates, issues or causes which matter to our group.
You may or may not have been following the August “Issue 1” vote in Ohio, which was designed to make it harder to amend the Ohio constitution – meaning a 60% vote for passage of amendments instead of just 50%. The proposal had other features that weakened it, but the main factor leading to its defeat was the fact that the Ohio Dems had an abortion amendment coming in November, and that amendment was unlikely to get 60%+ support. The Demmunists got out the vote to defeat fundamental improvement of the Ohio constitution, using abortion. It worked like crazy.
The new abortion amendment is likely to pass in November, ironically as “Issue 1”, but worried Dem operatives have confided that the proposal has two weaknesses which give them a bad feeling. Some have even called these two problems “poison pills” in the amendment.
One is that the amendment leaves open the option for abortion due to “mental health of the mother” until birth, despite otherwise making abortion restrictable once the baby is viable (which is not well-defined). Pro-life forces can usually get voters out to the polls on this.
The other weakness is that the amendment implicitly removes parental rights regarding one’s own children, because the “reproductive rights” are granted to “individuals”, not adults. The term “individuals” is designed to include teens, and even logically includes younger children. So the right-to-life people are focused on the problem of abortion without the consent of the parents. This is also something that can bring pro-life voters to the polls.
But THESE are not the worst aspects of the bill.
The part of the amendment which grants this right to all individuals, which necessarily includes children of unspecified age, covers not just abortion, but anything of a reproductive nature. The amendment uses specific language to say that it is not limited to the examples listed, which include abortion and fertility, but which curiously do not include sex change or “gender affirming care” – and yet these things and more would clearly be covered as reproductive.
In other words, this amendment is a sneaky way to take away all parental rights regarding sex change of children – or indeed, anything else touching on reproduction.
I repeat – this amendment allows children to submit themselves to “gender change”, and takes away all parental rights to oppose it.
The amendment MAY even take away parental rights regarding sex education, or anything where the “individual” has “reproductive rights”.
Do you see what they’re doing here?
The amendment uses tricky lawfare wording to distract and deceive voters, implying that it is mainly about abortion, when it is dangerously relevant to transgender issues.
An overt sexual rights amendment for children could never pass, but an abortion amendment might.
It’s very interesting to note that Ballotpediavery deceptively HIDES the sneaky “not limited to” wording of the amendment in their description of it, except when they are forced to quote the amendment verbatim.
Et tu, Ballotpedia?
The Dems are getting ahead of the storm on the REAL sneakiness by making sure the controversy is all about Republicans changing the term “fetus” to “unborn child” on the text of the ballot issue, which generally clarifies the abortion part without changing the meaning in any significant way, in my opinion. Thankfully, the Republicans did NOT try to conceal the “not limited to” part, so we can still make that case without contradiction.
Very typical Dem behavior – distract to a smaller, winnable controversy. And, of course, the leftist media is helping. And very typical RINO idiot behavior, following the left’s laser pointer focus on minor stupidity instead of WINNING on the fact that this is exactly what the Democrats call it: Ohio Issue 1, Right to Make Reproductive Decisions Including Abortion Initiative. The trick is, this amendment should really be called Ohio Issue 1, Children’s Right to Make Reproductive Decisions Including But Not Limited To Abortion, Sex Education, Gender Reassignment, and Sex with Adults Initiative.
Are you seeing how bad this is, and how stupid the Republicans are?
They should be printing up yard signs in big bold letters:
SAY NO TO CHILDREN’S SEXUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT
This bill for an amendment, if it passes, will destroy public education in Ohio. [Admittedly, some conservatives are actually rubbing their hands in glee at this possibility!] Teacher’s unions will be utterly free to “trans your kids” and even more, under the color of an “individual’s reproductive rights”. Whether the bill destroys education completely depends on whether private schooling can lock out transgender ideologues from their teaching staff. Nobody can trust left-wing teachers once this passes.
So watch out for this CHILDREN’S SEXUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT – which is definitely a DEMS CAN TRANS YOUR KIDS AMENDMENT – and see if the national conservative media catches on to its insidious nature RE spreading the trans agenda to red states using abortion. If they don’t, Ohio will join Michigan and California as a “fleeing resident” state starting next year.
Note how the “pro-choice” side and the old feminists (including TERFs) were THROWN UNDER THE BUS by the Pritzker transgender males to get their much bigger agenda into law. “You want to protect abortion, ladies? Here, try this amendment!” The Pritzkeroids don’t care if people catch on and abortion is defeated, because their number one fundraising issue is still preserved if they lose. A simple 12-week bill (Robert Kennedy Jr. gets this) would PASS and WIN in Ohio, satisfying everybody on their bottom lines, but NO, we can’t have THAT!
Does the amendment do anything to protect pedophiles and sexual consent by minors? With the lunatic leftists on the Ohio Supreme Court, I am certain that it does. These goofballs actually decided that bail increases based on danger of the accused individual to the public were illegal, until an amendment to allow higher bails for dangerous criminals was passed over Demmunist objections.
Remember – THIS BILL ENSHRINES REPRODUCTIVE/SEXUAL RIGHTS FOR MINORS.
The left always goes too far. The trick is catching them early.
And here I thought this was an exciting election already!