Dear KAG: 20241112 Open Thread

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The End of History Delusion

Badlands News Brief – November 11, 2024

I worked on Kamala Harris’s campaign – and this is why it turned out to be an utter shambles

Lawfare Operatives at DOJ are Panicked About What President Donald Trump Will Do Inside Main Justice

Too bad. So sad.

President Trump Asks for Confirmation Support from Senate Leadership

President Trump Appoints Tom Homan to Position of “Border Czar” in Charge of Deportation Program

A familiar face returning.

President Trump Names Stephen Miller as Deputy Chief of Policy for Term 2

Another familiar face returning. No book deals here.

President Trump Nominates Elise Stefanik to be U.S Ambassador to the United Nations

New face, but not one MAGA to which MAGA will object.

National Security Pathology Report – America Faces a Cancer of Unknown Primary Origin

Chaos Conductors

The Costco butter disaster illustrates why big government must go

Mike Waltz, China Hawk Reported to Become Trump’s National Security Adviser

Border Patrol agents’ morale soars after Trump’s re-election: ‘Through the roof’

Yes, even San Francisco swung toward Trump. These voters drove the shift

There might be hope for California after all.

Tweets…X-Files, uh, posts, whatever

https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1855313138318766129

@GenFlynn

The State of Arizona has become the poster child for election fraud. If those involved are caught in any fraudulent activity, they will likely be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Stop this nonsense of counting until the outcome is in your favor. That’s what Venezuela does, NOT America!

@KariLake won!

https://twitter.com/newstart_2024/status/1855558059860386185

@newstart_2024

Important… Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: “The thing that people have to understand is that the four companies that make all 72 of those vaccines, which is Pfizer, Glaxo, Merck and Sanofi. All of those companies are convicted felons. And not only that, they’re serial felons. Their business model is committing felonies.” “These companies in the last 10 years collectively, have paid $35 billion in penalties, damages, fines for falsifying science, for defrauding regulators, lying to doctors, and for killing hundreds of thousands of people. Vioxx, which was Merck’s flagship product, killed between 120,000 and 500,000 Americans. This was a pill. And Merck was selling as a headache pill.” “And Merck knew, caused heart attacks and killed people. And they didn’t tell anybody. And they knew a certain, you know, we got the spreadsheets that showed there being counters, their accountants. And this is, you’re gonna kill so many people per dose. We can still make more money, even if they all sue us. And in the end, they killed, you know, up to half a million Americans. And they got away with it.” “They paid $7 billion in fines. Nobody went to jail. And this is, you know. They probably made $100 million in profits. Yeah. So this is a company, these, it requires kind of a cognitive dissonance to believe that these companies that are lying and cheating on every other pharmaceutical product, every other medical device that they create, are somehow found Jesus vaccines and aren’t lying to us.” “And the thing is with vaccines, vaccines are the only place they could never get caught because it’s illegal in this country to sue a vaccine company. So Congress passed a law in 1986 that said no matter how negligent that company is, no matter how malicious they are, no matter how toxic the product, you no matter how grievous or injury you cannot sue them.”

https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1855369240313831637

https://twitter.com/777katemt/status/1855639002227097982

https://twitter.com/TONYxTWO/status/1855316833533849961

https://twitter.com/lakemonstercl1/status/1855426970118508974

https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1855798166777430360

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1855976535947137439

@DC_Draino

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The Visa/MC credit card monopoly has put Americans into excessive debt with usurious interest rates at 25%+ President Trump wants a 10% cap on all credit card interest rates JD Vance co-sponsored the Credit Card Competition act which fights the 2-4% hidden tax you pay every time you swipe Common sense is back Let’s get people out of debt, eliminate hidden taxes, and make america wealthy again

https://twitter.com/WallStreetApes/status/1855834317898826216

@WallStreetApes

WOAH, This is a man still on the ground in Western North Carolina after Hurricane Helene. He’s talking to victims and they’re having their land purchased out from under them for $2,500 He says it’s definitely a land grab for the lithium and quartz mining “Buying the land wholesale everywhere. Not just Chimney Rock, not just Spruce Pine, not just where the mine is going to be. They’re buying up in Burnsville, they’re buying up in Waynesville, everywhere where somebody lost their entire home, the government is confiscating the land and giving them a $2,500 check.” “It’s a state-wide land grab. And then the news, the local news just reported that Governor Roy, good old Democrat, Governor Roy, decided that they were going to buy up whole communities that were devastated.” This video is full of some of the most insane first hand information I’ve heard about what’s going on in North Carolina. There is so much talked about, if all this is true, it’s the crime of the century

https://twitter.com/JohnBasham/status/1855702334875308061

@JohnBasham

FACT: EVERY CELEBRITY (Including Oprah) OR LEFT-WING PODCASTER Who Took Money From The @KamalaHarris Campaign AND DID NOT DISCLOSE THEY WERE A PAID POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT, BROKE FEDERAL LAW! Get A Lawyer Now! The Law Applies To Both Parties & A Trump DOJ MUST Investigate.

https://twitter.com/ItsJuliansRum/status/1856002608974160295

https://twitter.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1856026868786573383

https://twitter.com/LaughLoveLive1/status/1856142778729935089

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1856034435566571611

https://twitter.com/BusyDrT/status/1856054634273484837

https://twitter.com/MJTruthUltra/status/1856040436659626394

Meme Zone

https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/1855382325745295861

Seriously, you need to open that.

In our house, it’s martinis, but same difference.

What are they up to now?

https://twitter.com/puppiesDoglover/status/1855591903711969523

https://twitter.com/Yoda4ever/status/1855425140743626855

https://twitter.com/Yoda4ever/status/1855720095974305959

https://twitter.com/shouldhaveanima/status/1855435088080867766

https://twitter.com/AMAZlNGNATURE/status/1855480637500649595

Per the boss’s instruction:

I’d throw in a few Rockefellers and Rothschilds also.

The Marines anniversary was over the weekend.

Of course, this does not mean committing felonies, but standing up to the forces that want to tear this nation – and humanity apart. The very people XVII told us will be destroyed by the time this movie comes to an end are currently roaming the halls of power…supposedly. It’s a sickening sight.

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John 17:20-26

20“I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. 24Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father, the world has not known thee, but I have known thee; and these know that thou hast sent me. 26I made known to them thy name, and I will make it known, that the love with which thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

https://twitter.com/P_BenedictXVI/status/1673277438644592641
https://twitter.com/CSLewisDaily/status/1619326941357555714

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Nov 5 2017 20:06:36 (EST)

Anonymous ID: pqW40Wgk No.148156518 
Nov 5 2017 20:05:48 (EST)

>>148154137

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, Prince of the Heavenly Hosts, by the power of God, cast down to Hell Satan and all his evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

>>148156518
Amen brother.
Q

As always, prayers for the fight against that which seeks to enslave us are welcome. Via con Dios.

Satire

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cthulhu

Thank you, De Pat, for a totally triumphant Thursday thread.

cthulhu

Heh, I was trying so had to not say “thunderous” so that the adjective would match “Tuesday”…..that I missed saying “Tuesday”.

It’s been a tough night.

Valerie Curren

sorry you are having a rough night–hang in there!

Valerie Curren

hope you still feel rested enough for your early day 🙂

Valerie Curren

good deal  👍 

Gail Combs

Feed the ponies and start cutting down trees? 😄

mollypitcher5

A new puppy?

cthulhu

So, was either dropping-off non-family member, or picking someone up, or meeting someone…..

But if it were a puppy, you would have kept it — so you didn’t keep it…..so you weren’t picking someone up….

Robert Baker

It would seem reasonable to assume that if she were going to the airport at 6am it was probably for a departing flight. Therefore, if she were providing a taxi service it would likely be for a departing passenger

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cthulhu

….or pilot….

Robert Baker

I guess in a very broad sense a pilot could be considered a passenger.

cthulhu

She never specified “passenger”.

Robert Baker

That was my conclusion from assuming she was operating as a taxi service.

Valerie Curren

FG&C?

IRL!

Last edited 21 days ago by Valerie Curren
holly

My guess too. 🧑‍✈️✈️

Valerie Curren

🙂

kalbokalbs

Why trigger? Hope he is well.

Valerie Curren

Most people around here wear their big boy pants so can probably handle it. I for one wish he was still around here even if he did sometimes rub people the wrong way, me included 🙂

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

WHOA. I sure didn’t see this coming!

Are you OK? Sounds like something serious went down.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

That’s awesome! Hope he’s doing well – and that he’s been happy about the election.

I’m hopeful there will be more appointments and other results that will make him happy.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

OK. I’ll not pry any further. Just making sure everybody is OK. I appreciate the information.

Valerie Curren

illegal aliens involved?

pgroup2

The Mission Impossible team called. They needed you to sub in on an operation?

 😂 

Valerie Curren

do tell…

holly

If it’s what I think it is, would love to hear more as well.

cthulhu

Slowly and tenderly, he asked, “do you think we’ll have a Republican Speaker in January?” His pulse raced, and his breathing became ragged.

Breathlessly, she responded, “if further cheating in the pending races is limited.”

“More orange juice to go with your bacon?”, he gasped.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LOL!

Valerie Curren

 😂 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Sleepless In Saint Louis!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

May it then be inspiring instead! 💖 🖋 📚 😅

kalbokalbs

Not funny!   :wpds_shock: 
Initially thought I missed Hump Day.   :wpds_lol: 

Gail Combs

Nope, but I was worried for a second!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Gold and the other precious metals took another beating on Monday and gold is now $2622.

scott467

Bitcoin has gone from $68.5K on election night to $88.5K at the moment, I saw it over $89K earlier today.

MSTR (Microstrategy, run by Michael Saylor) announced last week that they were issuing $21 billion in common stock and $21 billion in convertible debt to buy Bitcoin.

Today it was announced that Saylor / MSTR bought 27,200 Bitcoin for around $2 billion. MSTR stock was up $70 today on the news, going up from $270 to $340 per share, over a 25% move in one day.

I think that puts Microstrategy’s total Bitcoin holdings at over 279,000 Bitcoin, and their average acquisition cost is around $42K per Bitcoin.

There were rumors today that the Bitcoin OTC trading platforms were drying up. OTC (over the counter) is how all the big buyers obtain large amounts of Bitcoin without moving the spot market price.

But when all of the available Bitcoin on the OTC platforms is gone, the only way to get Bitcoin will be on the spot market.

There will be constant pressure on the spot market from the Bitcoin ETFs (Blackrock’s Bitcoin ETF, launched early this year, just surpassed the total market cap of Blackrock’s Gold ETF in the last day or two, IIRC).

State pension funds and nation states are beginning to add Bitcoin to their portfolios.

President-elect Donald J. Trump has said that we need a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve, and one of the Republican Senators (Cynthia Lummis, R-WY) has already sponsored a bill to acquire 1 million Bitcoin over the next 5 years, in addition to the over 200,000 Bitcoin the U.S. gov’t already has.

All of the mining rigs in the world, combined, can only mine 450 Bitcoin per day, which is nothing compared to demand, and the biggest publicly traded miners aren’t selling, they’re keeping their production, in anticipation of the price of Bitcoin rising.

There will only ever be 21 million Bitcoin produced. Over 19 million have already been mined, and of that amount, it is estimated that about 5 million has been lost.

It is the scarcity that is driving the price. Now that more companies are adding Bitcoin to their treasuries (trying to follow Microstrategy’s example), nation states are adding Bitcoin to their treasuries, the Bitcoin ETFs buying large amounts every day, and Saylor raising $42 billion to buy Bitcoin, something has to give.

There is too much demand, and not enough supply.

Analysts were astonished when Saylor announced he was raising $42 billion to buy Bitcoin. Apparently no one has ever announced that they were doing a $21 billion ‘at the market’ share sale before, or a $21 billion convertible debt offering.

Normally such dilution would put downward pressure on the stock price, but because Saylor immediately turns around and spends it all on Bitcoin, the amount of Bitcoin per MSTR share rises, making each share of the stock more valuable, causing the stock price to go up.

And when the stock price goes up, he just offers more shares for sale to buy more Bitcoin… which in turn, causes the stock price to go up even more… 😂

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/10/11/michael-saylor-reveals-shock-100-trillion-microstrategy-endgame-as-the-bitcoin-price-suddenly-soars/

If it was oil, and the price of oil went to $300 a barrel (for example), oil exploration and drilling would skyrocket, and more production would come online, and the price would eventually come down again.

Same with gold or any other commodity.

But with Bitcoin, no matter how high the price goes, production is limited to 450 per day. There is no way to produce more.

And at the next halving (in 2028), the supply will be cut in half to 225 per day.

In January 2025, MSTR will be added to the S&P 500, putting a constant bid under MSTR’s stock price, because every fund in the world that buys the S&P 500 index has to buy MSTR once it is added to the S&P 500.

The analysts thought a $42 billion capital raise was crazy. Today Saylor announced that their next capital raise will be $100 billion… to buy more Bitcoin 😂

I don’t think the price of Bitcoin can go up forever, because nothing does… but then again, it is the first (and only) asset in the history of the world that has a fixed, finite supply.

And it seems like demand is rising, because people are (finally!) catching on.

Just checked, Bitcoin is at $89,712

That’s a new all-time high, Bitcoin is now in price discovery.

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pgroup2

And all for something you can’t see or touch. Is God happy or sad about this?

 🤔 

Aubergine

The whole thing is just weird to me. How do you “mine” something that only exist in digital form? Imaginary pickax?

pat frederick

I am baffled by this too…and i read somewhere lately…there can’t be any “mines” in some locations?
and who provides the value for it?
if you were actually mining gold–you purchase a plot of land and look for it. but this? you solve equations (what equations?) and who determines if you solved them correctly? who determines the value of the equations solved?
are these answers to life’s biggest problems?
sounds like a sucker’s game to me.

pgroup2

Maybe – maybe not.

pat frederick

how sure are we this hadn’t been invented by the power companies? LOL
use up power–they get richer–you get worthless “coins” that aren’t accepted everywhere…

kalbokalbs

BitCoin is all beyond me.

Not trying to figure BitCoin out.

I did read Scott’s BitCoin explanation(s) a year or two ago. Well written. Understood the message.

IMO, BitCoin remains borderline Ponzi scheme.

But then again, I am Slow Guy. Good with it

Valerie Curren

not (ever) having fun money to play w/ bit coin will remain irrelevant in my existence 🙂

scott467

It was never intended for fun money, it was created in the aftermath of the 2008 Great Financial Crisis, when all the ‘too big to fail’ banks were bailed out.

Bitcoin was designed as an alternative financial system, one that was beyond the corruption of TPTB.

Think of it this way.

If the U.S. fiat dollar is the currency of the Galactic Empire, then Bitcoin is the currency of the Rebel Alliance.

And the Rebel Alliance is winning 😁

.

The first or ‘genesis’ block of Bitcoin includes the following line of text:

The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

Here is the cover of the January 3rd, 2009 edition of The Times:

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From this article: https://news.bitcoin.com/10-years-ago-bitcoins-genesis-block-changed-the-course-of-history/

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Aubergine

Lol, me too!

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

sounds like a sucker’s game to me.

Let me agree with you by first disagreeing – kinda.

Cryptocurrency is, IMO, no more of a sucker’s game than any other form of exchanged value (a.k.a. money), which are ALL sucker’s games, IMO, but crypto has some unique vulnerabilities that keep me and Suspicious Cat waiting outside the party, in our car, ready to flee the nuclear strike zone at a moment’s notice – mostly by having under $10 of bitcoin. We like being close enough to observe, but we refuse to go inside.

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My approach to crypto is like my approach to gambling in Las Vegas. I spend $20 on slot machines for entertainment, and I’m done. Usually takes less than 5 minutes – sometimes only 2 minutes, until my $20 is gone. Great. I’m done. I’ll be back in 5 years to try again!

Cryptocurrency depends on cryptography. I learned just enough cryptology, and did just enough cryptographic programming, to meet Suspicious Cat of The Matrix.

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He warned me about the fundamental flaw of cryptography, which is similar to the fundamental flaw of gambling. I am deeply indebted to Suspicious Cat. This is what he told me.

The House always wins, and you are not The House.

Another comparison is voting machines. You didn’t make them. You didn’t design them. You didn’t find and not mention to anybody else, all the many amazing and beautiful vulnerabilities. You didn’t design in the vulnerabilities. You didn’t lie about the security of them.

You are not The House. And The House always wins.

You may win in the short term with crypto, and under certain circumstances. But the only way to win more than The House, is not to play.

I love that we have crypto, and I love that Trump supports it. But that is a different question, about freedom, progress, and giving power to the People. But still, you are not the House, and neither am I. I walk away with Suspicious Cat. I smile, remembering the beauty of the universe that allows crypto to work. Suspicious Cat remembers the smell of tuna – which I can afford to give him, with a different kind of worthless sucker money in my pocket.

Live is good, God is great, praise God!

It’s OK to be Amish on crypto.

scott467

You are not The House. And The House always wins.
You may win in the short term with crypto, and under certain circumstances. But the only way to win more than The House, is not to play.”

____________

Maybe with ‘crypto’ (which includes tens of thousands of ‘sh!t coins’), but Bitcoin is not the same as generic ‘crypto’.

The vast majority of alt-coins (a.k.a. sh!t coins) value goes to zero.

Bitcoin goes up, and Bitcoin goes down, and over a four year cycle (the same length as the halving cycle), it has set a new all time high every four years.

Or in other words, no one has ever lost money in Bitcoin, if they bought Bitcoin and held for a maximum of four years, assuming worst case scenario, that they bought at the very top of the market, and didn’t sell, but held until the next all-time high.

……………………
“Michael Saylor, co-founder of MicroStrategy, is sticking it to his critics, and he’s got Bitcoin on his side. “No one’s ever lost money over the course of four years holding Bitcoin,” he declared recently in an interview.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/michael-saylor-says-no-one-s-ever-lost-money-over-the-course-of-four-years-holding-bitcoin/ar-AA1tMvL2
…………………..

Video:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2022-01-20/bitcoin-is-a-blessing-and-a-curse-says-saylor-video

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m happy to hold my $10 of it! Win or lose! 😉

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I will say this. Had I dumped several thousand dollars into my account, maybe around a year ago, I would have about 22 times as much right now.

2100% is a pretty impressive return on investment. However, I’m putting all my holdings into other things right now. That would include this site! 🙏

pgroup2

We would not like you to stop this place.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I’m doing my best to keep it running. And I think new possibilities for securing its future are opening up.

Valerie Curren

So much of what happens at this site generates “fruit that will remain”. You have chosen well! TY

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

You are most welcome!

kalbokalbs

Hugely appreciated. Daily, grateful for you providing this site. Thank you.

Valerie Curren

my approach to gambling in Las Vegas. I spend $20 on slot machines for entertainment, and I’m done. Usually takes less than 5 minutes – sometimes only 2 minutes, until my $20 is gone. Great. I’m done. I’ll be back in 5 years to try again!”

Wolf are you outing yourself as my younger brother??? I thought he was back in OK after a sojourn in TX. As a lifelong U of M fan I can’t imagine he would secretly move to OH…I’m so confused…LOL

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I got around a lot more before FauXi hit me with his sociobiological weapon. 😉

Valerie Curren

 😎 

kalbokalbs

Along the lines of NFTs, I think they are called. Ones and zeroes that no one can see.

Yea. not for Slow Guy.

Valerie Curren

NPCs? Non-Player Characters, iirc 😉

kalbokalbs

NFT.
Trump, Melania (I think) and prolly many sell these things. Well NFTs…ones and zeros.

Trump Selling More NFT Trading Cards—As He Courts Crypto Voters
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/08/27/trump-selling-more-nft-trading-cards-as-he-courts-crypto-voters/

Valerie Curren

OK TY, I guess I was the idiot there (again) LOL 🙂

scott467

NFTs make no sense to me either. AFAIK, they are mostly graphic images of actual items, like a j-peg, immortalized on the blockchain.

So what?

Why is that valuable to anyone? I don’t know. Why would anyone pay 100s of thousands of dollars for one? Again, I don’t know, and I’m not aware of anyone who has tried to explain or rationalize or justify it.

In all my research and daily crypto update videos over the past 4 years, I’ve never seen anyone even try to make a case for NFTs.

So I can’t even really argue against it, because I’m not aware of any affirmative argument for it.

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scott467

“The whole thing is just weird to me.”

___________

That is perfectly natural and understandable, is the same not true about how people react to any new thing that has been invented or created?

Imagine how people reacted to fire. No doubt someone was burned pretty quickly, and everyone was afraid of it. Then someone figured out how to handle it without getting burned, and how to use it.

The first generation to discover it probably never fully trusted it, but their children grew up with it, they understood fire from their earliest memory, so it was perfectly normal to them.

Same with the invention of electricity. Lots of people were killed by electrocution from handling it improperly. Must have seemed like magic (doesn’t it still? 😁 ), to just flip a switch and suddenly a whole room is filled with light.

Same with the invention of the car. It was loud, smelly and dangerous. But ten to twenty years later, nearly everybody had one or wanted one, because it was an incredibly useful thing to have.

Some seem less dangerous than others, like the invention of the cell phone or the invention of the Internet, but they still took quite a bit of getting used to, and adoption was slow at first (at least for the Internet), and then suddenly it was used by nearly everyone.

There are always many great questions whenever some new thing is invented. If the answers are good and the invention has real utility, it becomes widely adopted.

That’s where Bitcoin is now. It has been in existence for nearly 16 years, and is on the cusp of global adoption.

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pat frederick

i think that’s about as old as the Nigerian Prince money scam…that’s your point, right?LOL

pgroup2

ROTFLMAO. You are shameless!!!

  :wpds_lol: 

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Actually not an allusion to Obola, if that’s what you’re thinking.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

LMAO! Oh, I missed THAT!!! LOL!

scott467

“How do you “mine” something that only exist in digital form? Imaginary pickax?

_____________

Another very excellent question.

Bitcoin is mined with computers that are specifically designed to solve the mathematical equations required to ‘earn’ a Bitcoin reward.

It started out that anyone could mine Bitcoin on their home PC, but as the mining network grew and competition increased (all by design and predicted from the outset), higher efficiency and specialized equipment became necessary for commercial production.

Most digital currencies are created by a person or a company or a team, and there is an initial offering of coins, and the company or team controls the amount of coins that are produced, no different than a fiat currency system.

Bitcoin is mined, or brought into existence by the solving of math equations. It is very power intensive, requiring investment in hardware and electricity. In other words, it costs something to produce Bitcoin. It currently costs about $80,000 to produce one Bitcoin, so on average, the mining companies are all profitable now, for the first time since the halving early this year.

In reality, a few mining companies are very profitable with a cost per Bitcoin of around $55K (if I remember correctly), and some companies are still underwater, with a cost to produce a Bitcoin over $90K, and the rest are somewhere in between.

The difference is the efficiency of the mining rigs (computers) and the cost of electricity or gas or other power source.

Some places have free power (e.g., hydro), so their mining rigs don’t need to be hyper efficient to be profitable. Most miners have energy costs, so there is a constant race to develop more and more efficient mining rigs, to produce more Bitcoin with less energy.

The important thing is that with Bitcoin, no one is just issuing Bitcoin out of thin air, the way governments issue fiat out of thin air.

Like mining gold has real associated costs, mining Bitcoin has very real associated costs too. If the price of gold drops below what it costs to mine gold, the gold mines will begin to shut down.

They are not going to operate at a loss in perpetuity, and when enough of them shut down, the supply will dwindle, the price will eventually go back up, and then they will reopen the mines and get back to work.

Bitcoin is the same way. When it becomes unprofitable to mine Bitcoin, the people with the most inefficient mining rigs shut them off. There is no sense in paying more to mine Bitcoin than it costs you to just buy it on the market.

So real work, real money goes into producing every Bitcoin. Just like it takes real work and real money to dig a hole in the ground and get ore to refine and process and purify and pour into gold bars and coins.

Every Bitcoin produced automatically goes on the global Bitcoin ledger, and it can be viewed by anyone. I don’t know how to do it, but it’s not complicated, I have seen people do it on videos.

So the ledger is public and transparent, everyone can see exactly how many Bitcoin are in existence at any one time. Try getting the total amount of fiat currency, credit, bonds, treasuries, etc. in existence out of the government or the FED on any given day.

We don’t know which ‘wallets’ belong to whom on the Bitcoin Ledger, unless the owner makes it public, like Satoshi Nakamoto did, and like some of the Bitcoin ETFs have done.

Other very large holders of Bitcoin have been figured out by people who watch these things, based on movements of their Bitcoin, but for the most part, ownership is anonymous — but the fact that it exists is viewable, and verifiable by anyone.

I am not an expert by any means, I am just explaining these things as I understand them.

Michael Saylor is probably the best teacher I have found. It is rare that someone who understands something as well as he does is also able to articulate it in a way that is so easy for others to understand.

Michael was a huge skeptic about Bitcoin when he first learned about it. It was not until some years later, during the covidiocy, that he recognized the need to preserve his company’s cash treasury against government inflation and debasement.

He looked at all of the available options (real estate, U.S. treasuries, stocks, gold, etc.), the pros and cons of each, and after doing a considerable amount of due diligence, ultimately determined that Bitcoin was the best option.

Saylor has a website dedicated to teaching people about Bitcoin: https://www.hope.com/

He does so many interviews though, and he is so good at explaining and answering questions, that I mostly just watch his interviews. He has to be the easiest interview in the world. During an hour long interview, the interviewer may only ask 3 or 4 questions, because Saylor understands what the interviewer is trying to grasp, and takes the time to walk them through a rational, logical answer, while answering all the obvious follow up questions along the way.

Robert Breedlove is another excellent source (he’s on youtube) who does video interviews with lots of very knowledgeable people, including whole series of interviews with one person (including Michael Saylor), to really drill down on different aspects and concepts.

The subject matter is more than fascinating enough to hold one’s interest, which is why videos by people who know what they’re talking about are fun to watch, instead of being overly dry or technical 👍

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Valerie Curren

Do those math equations generate Skynet?

scott467

As far as you know… 😉😁

Valerie Curren

I don’t know nuthin 😉 😉

scott467

“And all for something you can’t see or touch.”

____________

This has pros and cons.

One of the greatest pros is that if you can’t see or touch it, then neither can a robber. Or a tyrannical government, for that matter.

It exists on a ledger, in cyberspace. To use an analogy, what you possess is the key to access your property on the ledger (if we are talking about pure or spot Bitcoin).

The easier way to have Bitcoin is either to buy shares in one or more of the 11 or so Bitcoin ETFs (buy them just like a stock, right through your phone or PC browser) or by owning shares in a Bitcoin mining company (there are probably 10 or 12 publicly traded companies) or buying shares in a proxy company, which by default generally means MSTR (MicroStrategy) because they have by far the most Bitcoin of any publicly traded company, and they are the pioneer in that regard.

You can’t see or touch shares of stock, either. You may still be able to get stock certificates printed out, but even so, it’s a ‘certificate’, the actual ‘shares’ of the company exist on a… on a ledger 😁

pgroup2

Your exquisite ability shines.

scott467

“Is God happy or sad about this?”

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That is a great question. I don’t know why He would be either happy or sad about it, because it is just a tool, and like any tool, it can be used for good or ill.

It seems reasonable to think He would not be very happy with the wholly corrupt fiat currency combined with fractional reserve banking system (all backed by nothing but the full faith and credit of a corrupt government) that we use today.

A system that robs everyone blind via debasement, so that whatever savings you have are like a melting ice cube, losing purchasing power at a rate of about 14% per year.

Or about the same amount of M2 money growth, if I understand correctly. Or about the same amount as the average returns of the S&P 500.

The current system bleeds everyone to death slowly, and the only way to maintain whatever purchasing power we have is to invest in something that returns at least 14% per year.

And that’s generally difficult to do without taking significant risk. But that is the position the government (ours and everyone else’s) has put us all in, as they all hyper-inflate their currencies due to profligate spending.

Bitcoin solves that problem.

It can never be inflated, because no government (or person) has control over it. It is programmed to only produce 450 Bitcoin per day (currently, in 2028 it drops to 225 per day), and when the cap of 21 million Bitcoins is reached, mining production ends forever.

And since it is estimated that nearly 5 million (of the 19 million mined so far) have been lost, Bitcoin is actually deflationary. And every time someone loses their keys (or dies without his keys being made known in his will, or other means to pass them on), that Bitcoin is ‘lost’, and everyone else’s Bitcoin becomes more valuable, because there is then less of it in existence.

This is what Michael Saylor is doing with his personal Bitcoin, according to an interview I watched a month or two ago. The last time he reported how much he had personally was in 2020, when he had 17,732 Bitcoin, which today would be worth $1,578,148,000. He has bought a lot more since 2020, but whenever he is asked, he only reveals the amount he previously stated in 2020.

He is not married and has no children.

The way I understood it, when he dies, his Bitcoin keys go with him. It’s his gift to everyone who believed in him and in Bitcoin, who made what is happening today possible. When Michael Saylor leaves this world, the value of everyone’s Bitcoin goes up, because all of his Bitcoin will be permanently ‘lost’.

It will still be visible on the blockchain ledger, and I’m sure Saylor will publicly identify which wallet is his at the time, so that everyone will know “That’s Michael’s Bitcoin”, in the same way the Bitcoin wallet of the creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakomoto (alias) is visible on the blockchain ledger, with over a million Bitcoin that have not moved since 2009, and counted as part of the nearly 5 million Bitcoin which have been ‘lost’.

So back to your question.

Would God be happy about a store of value that can’t (or at least not easily) be stolen by robbers, whose purchasing power does not relentlessly erode over time through debasement and inflation (and conversely, increases in value), and is not under the control of any human being or government, so there is no human in charge who can be deceived, manipulated, blackmailed or otherwise tempted by corruption?

An honest, transparent, and fair system of money that is ‘trust-less’, because there is no gatekeeper, no intermediary, no flawed human being in charge of it?

I can’t say whether He would be happy, but is there any reason why He would be sad about such a thing?

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pgroup2

My weird question worked as intended – it provoked you to dispense more wisdom for which all should be grateful.

[coothie, stop kneeling before scott gets all puffed up]

However, God is likely pleased with bitcoin since it resembles Him. Unable to be tarnished or devalued and increasing in value over time.

cthulhu

How did I get dragged into this mire?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

By all of your prior posts, oddly!

Valerie Curren

 😂 

cthulhu

I meant, specifically, the pgroup/scott mire.

….and I’m not sure that I actually have knees….

pgroup2

You’re easy and available for use as a foil.

In a word, irresistible.  😂 

rayzorback

DOGE coin up recently 🙂

scott467

“Gold and the other precious metals took another beating on Monday and gold is now $2622.”

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According to one of the financial guys I subscribe to on y/t, who follows cycle analysis, gold is right on track for a cycle low, which is why it is dropping.

If I remember right, it should keep dropping until early December when it reaches the cycle bottom, and then he expects the new cycle to be the beginning of a historic move up in gold, to above $7K / oz by 2026.

pgroup2

What if DJT gets a handle on excessive govt spending?

scott467

It’s theoretically possible.

The problem is that by historical calculations, once a nation’s debt goes beyond a certain ratio to GDP, it’s a death spiral that is supposed to be inescapable.

The only one I know of who escaped it before was America, after WWII, when apparently we grew our way out of debt.

Along with giving ourselves world reserve currency status, that little trick didn’t hurt our chances…

As I see it currently, there are two possible solutions.

Artificial Intelligence could increase productivity to such an extent that, combined with slashing government expenditures, we might possibly grow our way out of the death/debt spiral.

The other possibility is Bitcoin, which is why (in part) DJT suddenly began supporting Bitcoin and talking about creating a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve for America, once he talked to someone who actually understood it and explained it to him.

America still has world reserve currency status. That means the U.S. can print worthless fiat currency, and buy a hard asset like gold, and maybe we do. No one (in the public) knows how much gold America has, because our government is disgustingly corrupt.

But DJT knows. Remember when he sent Steve Mnuchin to Fort Knox, to examine the gold holdings of the U.S. Treasury? He never said what he saw, whether it was empty or full, and if it was full, whether it was full of real gold or just bricks that were painted gold.

But he knows, and so does DJT.

America can also print fiat currency and buy the hardest asset there is, which is Bitcoin.

If you buy Bitcoin for $100K each, and it sparks an international sovereign nation arms race, the price of Bitcoin could easily go to $10 million or more per Bitcoin.

Another way to think of it is if you are long Bitcoin, you are short the U.S. dollar, because the dollar is constantly being debased (losing value) over time, while Bitcoin is not. So as the dollar goes down in purchasing power, Bitcoin goes up in dollar terms. Bitcoin is the ultimate hedge against a debasing (or hyper-inflationary) currency.

Gold does the same thing, only less so, because gold is less efficient. It is difficult to secure, expensive to store, it can be counterfeited, etc., but more than anything, gold is not finite in supply.

For an asset whose value depends on scarcity, the fact that people can always dig up more puts a cap on how high the value can go. And besides that, the price of gold is ridiculously manipulated by the central banks to prevent everyone from running for the exists from their bogus monopoly money fiat currency system.

Nobody controls Bitcoin. If the price was to go up 50% (or down 50%) in one day, there are no ‘controls’ to halt trading like a stock exchange, it is a true free market, open 24/7/365.

The amount of Bitcoin in existence is truly knowable at any given time, the supply is known and limited, and the total amount there will ever be is known and capped. That makes it the hardest asset in the world. It’s hard for many people to really grasp this, even though they completely understand the concept of supply and demand.

With an asset where the supply is finite, and demand goes up, supply cannot be increased to meet demand. Therefore the only thing that can happen is for the price to go up high enough that someone else is willing to let it go.

There is something like $900 trillion dollars of capital in the world. Barely 1.75 trillion is currently in Bitcoin. I think gold is around $15 trillion. I read that Bitcoin flipped the total market cap of silver in the last day or two. If (when) Bitcoin overtakes the market cap of gold, that’s 8.5x the current Bitcoin price, or about $750,000 per Bitcoin.

And there’s no reason why it would stop there. Consider real estate, currently the largest depository of wealth in the world (if I remember correctly).

Real estate has all kinds of problems. There is maintenance and upkeep. There is insurance cost. There are property taxes. There is the hassle of dealing with tenants and lawsuits. There is political risk (e.g., rent controls), geographic risk (e.g., civil unrest), demographic risk (e.g., population flight, people working from home), financial risk (e.g., interest rate risk), etc.

Bitcoin has none of those risks or headaches, and far higher returns.

If there is $900 trillion in the world, and gold is $15 trillion of it, gold is 1.67% of all the wealth in the world. If Bitcoin matches gold, it too would only be 1.67% of all the wealth in the world.

But Bitcoin incentivizes people to invest in it, in countless ways that Michael Saylor is doing (creating) right now. There are wealth funds that can only invest in convertible debt instruments. They seek out high volatility assets for arbitrage opportunities, but such assets are few and far between. Bitcoin, as offered by Saylor in convertible debt instruments through MicroStrategy, is tapping into a whole new market of tens of billions (maybe hundreds of billions) of dollars, that no one else is doing.

The ETFs have made it easy for anyone to invest in Bitcoin, without knowing or caring about the complexities of personal custody.

Suppose just 5% of global wealth goes into Bitcoin over the coming 4 years of DJT’s next term. That’s another $45 trillion dollars flowing into an asset with a current market cap of $1.74 trillion.

What does that do to the price of Bitcoin? It’s not a 1-to-1 ratio, it’s a multiple. But suppose it was just 1 to 1. That would make Bitcoin go nearly 26x from here, or $2,288,000 per Bitcoin.

In some ways, the higher the price goes, the more attractive it becomes to big players like nation states and central banks and sovereign wealth funds, etc.

They’re not very interested in something with a market cap of just $1 or $2 trillion, because they can’t move into or out of it without sending the market into crazy swings (up or down).

The market has to be large enough (with enough liquidity) that big players can move hundreds of billions of dollars around without crashing the market.

Bitcoin is where this is all going. The big players don’t have a choice, it’s game theory on a global scale. When DJT announces that America is creating a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve, it won’t matter if other countries ‘believe’ in Bitcoin or not.

If America goes in, everyone else either follows or gets left behind.

The price of Bitcoin went up $9,000 in one day a couple days ago. That’s nothing compared to what is coming, if sovereign nations start buying.

This may be the first time in history that the little guy can get in before the sharks, instead of after the sharks already have their position, and have priced everyone else out of the market.

Bitcoin is easily divisible, so there is no danger of it all disappearing into digital ‘vaults’.

There are 100 million Satoshis (Sats) in one bitcoin (BTC).

The point is that today, a whole Bitcoin is $88K, so each ‘Sat’ (each 1/100 millionth of a Bitcoin) is about $0.00088 USD, if I worked that out correctly.

If (when) a ‘Sat’ reaches parity with a penny, a whole Bitcoin will cost $1,000,000 (one million).

One million is not that far away, a little more than 10x from current price. Bitcoin has 10x’d lots of times, and that was when only retail investors were buying. I think the 24 month low for Bitcoin was $15K, so it has already gone nearly 6x since then.

So what happens if DJT established a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve, and commits to buy 1,000,000 Bitcoin?

With only around 14 million Bitcoin in existence, that would be 7% of all Bitcoin in the world. At a current price of $88K that would cost $88,000,000,000

We probably send more than that to Ukraine every month.

But the price won’t stay at $88K while America (and everyone else forced into game theory) races to acquire this finite asset. The price will go up exponentially.

America has a huge advantage, in that we can print fiat and buy Bitcoin. Other countries can print their own fiat too, but it hurts their economies faster than it hurts ours.

Suppose American acquires a million Bitcoin. Suppose by the time it gets there, the price is $15 million per Bitcoin.

That’s $15,000,000,000,000 ($15 trillion).

And the price is still growing at (at least) 15% compounded annually (here is a chart showing historical CAGR of Bitcoin vs. other assets). While the interest on the national debt is somewhere around 4% (for example).

That certainly changes the equation on our national economic viability and stability.

Now suppose America acquires two million Bitcoin.

michaelh

Definitely outside the orbit of Trump gravity:

The Classic Neocons Are Out, but They Might Still Get What They Want
Even without Mike Pompeo and Nikki Haley, the Trump administration still could be heading for regime change in the Middle East.
Matthew Petti | 11.11.2024 10:47 AM
https://reason.com/2024/11/11/the-classic-neocons-are-out-but-they-might-still-get-what-they-want/

michaelh

I can appreciate the objections to putting pressure on the Persia regime, but they did just throw a slew of missiles at Israel that only Providence saved them from.

All of Trump’s diplomacy in Middle East is around realigning from Israel being scapegoated to recognizing the fact that the Persia regime is THE bad actor behind almost everything from Houthi’s in the Red Sea to Syrai to HzB and Hamas and and and . . .

Maximum pressure, to me, is a 4th generation warfare concept. It’s not about kinetic war, it’s about forcing the regime to back down.

And no, the Persia regime is NOT Westphalian.

And neither is the CCP, for that matter.

Otherwise, I agree that we don’t want Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, John Bolton in the Trump 2.0 administration.

I won’t throw shade on Stefanik or Grenell unless they prove otherwise.

kalbokalbs

Stefanik is not 100% MAGA. For the worthless UN, I’m good with it.

If Stefanik sticks with No AND Veto, it’s all she really needs to do.

Well, Stefanik needs to start drawing down staff, drastically.

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Stefanik is definitely better than Haley for this stage of the game, IMO.

kalbokalbs

Agree. Nikki is 100% out. As is Pompeo.

TheseTruths

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TheseTruths

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scott467

Learn to harvest.

kalbokalbs

After harvest, prune the trees, prepare the fields for spring planting.

pgroup2

Then wash and wax the car.

rayzorback

Wax on…… Wax OFF!

michaelh

Ugh Paul Krugman out there ginning up FEAR that grocery prices are going up with mass deporations . . .

NO Paul, you are a slavery apologist on the wrong side of history.

para59r

He’s nuts. I’m pretty sure the invaders are not working the fields. Who is he kidding. We had seasonal workers before and they are already baked in. Getting rid of the invaders will not effect the already over inflated food prices as the inflation is not coming from the production it’s coming from all the new give aways and cuts in energy production.

Gail Combs

Actually it is coming from the middle men who BUY LOW from the farmer and then SELL HIGH to the Groc. stores.

From my old notes”

“Ten corporations now control nearly every aspect of the world’s food chain. Four control 90 per cent of the world’s exports of corn, wheat, tobacco, tea, pineapple, jute and forest products.” http://www.guardian.co.uk...

Cargill, Monsanto and their buddies are greedy for more money and more power. The IPC or the International Food and Agricultural Trade Policy Council, was created in 1987 explicitly to write the GATT agriculture rules for WTO at the Uruguay talks. IPC demanded removal of ‘high tariff’ barriers in developing countries, while allowing massive government subsidies to agribusiness in the USA and the EU to continue. They demanded control over international food safety policies and patent protection for seed and livestock.

HOW?
It was former Cargill Vice-President, Dan Amstutz, appointed to head the US delegation, who drafted the original text of the Uruguay Round Agreement on Agriculture. It was ratified by Congress in 1995, no doubt thanks to a helping hand from Robert Shapiro, chairman of Monsanto, and leader of the President’s Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations.

Amstutz also wrote the infamous “Freedom to Farm Act” of 1996 removing government limitations on acres planted. As a result farmers planted 600,000 more acres of corn, in Nebraska alone, they planted 650,00 more acres of soy. The average price for the eight major crops for the period 1999-2001 was 20 percent lower than the average in 1985-1995. Despite emergency measures by Congress U.S. net farm income declined by 16.5 percent from 1996 to 2001. The Freedom to Farm bill caused the US government to changed from a policy of supply and price management to subsidies. The drastic increase in quantity and dramatic fall in grain prices was exactly what Cargill had planned and was used to bankrupt third world farmers and increase corporate mono-culture farms worldwide. Recent US Legislation mandating the use of bio-fuels was then used to produce a shortage and drive the price up. Monsanto posted record high earning in 2008. And the grain traders gloated..

“In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year. We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends..very attractive.” Food shortfalls predicted: 2008 Financial Sense

Brave and Free

How so?
It’s retail, if there’re less customers there’s more inventory which they’ll need to sell, there will be more competitive pricing for those customers that remain. The supply chain will be working again.

Gail Combs

Do not forget the DARN Electric Trucks mandated on the Left Coast in Jan 2025. We get a lot of our fresh veggies & fruit from Californicate.

ALSO
The sky high prices and scarcity CAUSED by mandating Electric Trucks can then be BLAMED on Trump’s deportation.

See How that works?

michaelh

Cali can keep them TYVM

Valerie Curren

Did anyone see something about the secret between DJT & Gaetz. I was reading, I thought a comment at yesterday’s post, that implied that DJT would be back at POTUS before January 20. I didn’t finish reading before it disappeared. Anyone seen this at all?

kalbokalbs

Slow Guy deleted it.

Smelled like BS, that I initially fell for.

But Slow Guy figured it out, to late, as it was posted, for two minutes or so.

Rather sure it still resides on X, somewhere.

Valerie Curren

OK TY I so wanted that Hopium hit  😂 

pgroup2

Don’t buy hopium on the street. It could be cut with fentanyl.

  :wpds_lol: 

Valerie Curren

I get my Hopium for free in the tree 😉 😉

Gail Combs

I give you a dose for free tomorrow.

Valerie Curren

LOL

looking forward to it!

pat frederick

PDJT said at a rally that he has a secret with Gaetz that will be revealed AFTER the election. nothing since

kalbokalbs

Looking forward to the big reveal.

pgroup2

Gaetz is engaged to Tiffany?

pat frederick

he’s a master at timing…increase attention by teasing a secret. this man knows audiences.
could be anything.

kalbokalbs

Yea, just pull his finger, and find out.  :wpds_chuckle: 

pat frederick

lol

para59r

😆 What? Then whose the guy that keeps appearing with Tiffany in the pictures? 😮 Gaetz better cool his horses, she looks happy now. 😆😉

kalbokalbs

Here I thought Tiffany is already married. Prego also.

pgroup2

That’s what makes my comment absurd.

As it was intended to be.

Valerie Curren

yes, keeping the mystery, AND anticipation, alive!

Valerie Curren
Valerie Curren
Gail Combs

…“Bosses have handled the tragedy in an incredibly sensitive way and staff can speak to a trained counselor if it helps them.”

The crew on board have since been offered counselling by bosses…

Counselling isn’t going to help unless it comes with Vitamin I and Dr McCullough’s Vax Spike Protein Detox Protocol

Valerie Curren

BQQM!

scott467

They’re buying up in Burnsville, they’re buying up in Waynesville, everywhere where somebody lost their entire home, the government is confiscating the land and giving them a $2,500 check.”

______________

Anybody want to try to explain that?

First, the government CAN’T just confiscate anyone’s property. It doesn’t work like that in America.

Second, if someone gives you a check for $2,500 and you don’t want to sell, then DON’T CASH THE CHECK.

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pat frederick

right. i believe there are documents to be signed to transfer the deed and such…don’t sign those.

Aubergine

Would anybody really sell their home/land for $2500? Seriously?

I’m not buying these stories. I’m just not.

pat frederick

i wonder if the state/ local gov’t are eminent domaining them…I don’t know the rules for that

pgroup2

Still have to do escrow AND pay a fair price.

Gail Combs

The ‘fair price’ maybe for the LAND ONLY since the house is being condemned. Still $2,500 is 1/2 or LESS than you would expect.

 The average price for farmland in NC is $5,150 per acre.

As of recent data, the average cost for an acre of land in North Carolina may range from:

  • $5,000 to $10,000 in rural areas
  • $20,000 to $80,000 in suburban areas
  • $150,000 and above in highly urbanized or in-demand areas

LINK

Aubergine

Me either. But just to give up your property for $2500? I can’t imagine.

mollypitcher5

I subscribe to the O’Hara view……….

“Do you mean to tell me, Katie Scarlett O’Hara, that Tara, that land, doesn’t mean anything to you? Why, land is the only thing in the world worth workin’ for, worth fightin’ for, worth dyin’ for, because it’s the only thing that lasts.”

Gail Combs

AMEN!

Except for the Chinese, they are not making any more…

Gail Combs

Here is the chart from the article:

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Valerie Curren

TY Gail!

Gail Combs

I wonder if Trump has ‘strings’ attached to the guy….

Valerie Curren

Given the razor thin margin of House control (might this change when vote fraud is addressed ASAP?) it seems ill-advised to pull Any MAGA reps from the House…

Gail Combs

  :wpds_beg: 

Valerie Curren
Valerie Curren

https://twitter.com/GuntherEagleman/status/1856105285745611107

Ohio gov may appoint Vivek to replace JD in the Senate

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kalbokalbs

Add to the list of solid conservatives Wolf posted the other day.

MeThinks, Vivek is more valuable outside of the Senate cesspool.

pgroup2

Agreed.

Valerie Curren

Press spokes person?

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

Vivek fits the “no experience” category that DeWine was up-talking, so I would say he has as much chance as Timken.

Here is an example tweet from the “Ohio Angry Right” (non-machine) that captures all the players and adds one more – Carey. She has a good grasp of the players, but not the game.

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Stephanie Stock

@OAMFStephanie

The Vivek is on the shortlist with RINOS Timkin and Dolan. LaRose and Mike Carey are also on the list. There’s no way dictator DeWine is going to pick Vivek for the appointment because he’s too conservative. Besides the Vivek could easily win a governor race against Husted, so there’s no reason for him to take the Senate seat when he can take the governor’s seat. *woman shrugging*

11:05 PM · Nov 11, 2024

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Vivek could actually win the Governor’s race in Ohio, IMO, but so can Husted, who is much more like DeWine. What will DeWine do? Hard to say. He’s a smart player.

Vivek has more fame at this point. Could be very helpful.

Notice how this lady calls Timken and Dolan RINOs – exactly what I was talking about – very common in the OAR (Ohio Angry Right) segment. Timken is staunch MAGA and saved Trump’s butt repeatedly in 2016, but she also embraced the Walkaway folks and pushed broader appeal, which worked, but which pissed off the OAR, who have a complete outsider mentality, and generally can’t hold office without disaster following them. Sadly, some machine and establishment folks use dirty tricks on OAR folks, which gives them validity, and keeps the problem going. MAGA, OTOH, hits the Ohio sweet spot perfectly. Just outsider enough to energize all sides, unite them at the ballot box, and become dominant.

LaRose needs to be somewhere – he’s excellent, too. As SoS he fought the Soros machine EVERY DAY. Trump could use him. Doesn’t publicly admit the election fraud problem to the degree I’d like, but he is totally wise to Dem tricks.

Carey is good, too, but so is Dolan.

We have too many good folks in Ohio. USE ‘EM OR LOSE ‘EM!!!

Valerie Curren

We have too so many good folks in Ohio”

Valerie Curren
pgroup2

Mining bitcoin. Rumor has it that there’s a rich vein of it somewhere near there.

Valerie Curren

LOL calling Scott  😎 

TheseTruths

LOL

smiley2

WTH

a “well-oiled” staging area to house & protect (aid & abet) illegals & military aged males from enemy regimes who are pretending to be “migrant refugees” from being deported maybe ?

military coup ?

martial law ?

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pgroup2

A good place in which rounded up illegals can be stored until removed?

Valerie Curren

cold storage 😉

pgroup2

You would be the one that knows about that.  😂 

Valerie Curren

The last Winter I lived in Gaylord they had 250″ of snow! Love it  😍 

pgroup2

Lots of insulation.

When I was living in a travel trailer in Virginia [1986], we had a 2-3 foot snowstorm one night. Woke up early sweating profusely. Was easily 80 degrees inside – we used the propane stove with a cracked window for heating. Was baffled at how it was so much hotter than usual.

It was the snow deep enough to seal off the underside of the trailer which we figured out when we tried to open the door.

Insulated the floor and the roof of the trailer.

I am still amazed.  😮 

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Valerie Curren

That’s (one of the reasons) why basements are better than crawl spaces AND Way better than slab foundations!

I thought you were going to have the snow half way up the walls for that insulating effect 🙂

pgroup2

I edited my comment.

Valerie Curren

waiting with bated breath

Gail Combs

Igloo…

I can remember snow plow drifts so high I stepped over the telephone lines to go play in the field across the street. I spent the winter on X-country skis when I went out or I sunk over my head in the snow.

Valerie Curren

Was that in the Boston area?

Late 70s or early 80s in Detroit the snow on either side of our front walk was over my head, & I’m about 5 1/2 feet tall 🙂

Valerie Curren

I did a lot of digging in that comment thread but no Definitive answers, that I could tell, have surfaced yet 🙁

kalbokalbs

Another reason FEMA needs to be disbanded.

States handle disasters.

Yea. Not well thought out.

But one thing stands out AND is amplified after Helene.

Government is NOT the solution. Government IS the problem.

Federal government needs to be massively drawn down in scope AND size.

Valerie Curren

This!

mollypitcher5

This smells bad. The area isn’t central to anything. It makes no sense to announce this while there are ongoing disaster areas.

I read something about flights with primarily Venezuelans going to Canada. Not flying back to Venezuela probably means they need to stay close to their new gang cartel bases here in the USA or Canada has offered residence until ..?
I’ll try to find the link on that.

Valerie Curren

There was some closed military base, not necessarily the one in the article, that was being considered for prison activity &/or relocation camps some years back, I think  🙄 

para59r

Yeah, this has everyone befuddled.

Event happened last month. Supposedly to support six counties there.
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The FEMA staging area is well north of there.

This is a city or township briefing that explained FEMA’s sudden arrival.

https://twitter.com/Liberty_Scrypt/status/1855958053381910730

Comment that came with the tweet.

WHAT IS GOING ON IN MICHIGAN?

FEMA is coming in and setting up 350 Semi trailers of equipment at an old Air Force Base, in MI.

Staging them for “emergency situations.” And Specifically 6 counties in particular: Macomb, Kent, Ionia, Eaton, Ingham, and Livingston.

Why is FEMA sending resources to Michigan?

This exact same thing happened in 2023, even utilizing 350 trailers, when FEMA staged equipment at Maxwell Airforce Base in Alabama in preparation for when Hurricane Idalia hit Florida.

In case you didn’t know, Michigan does not get Hurricanes. It does not get earthquakes, It does not get landslides or even tsunamis.

The only natural disasters that occasionally affect Michigan are tornados and blizzards, which are largely unpredictable and usually less severe than other parts of the US.

So why is FEMA staging in Michigan for 6 counties that rarely have natural disasters?

I personally live in one of these counties, so I will keep you updated if anything comes of this.

Hopefully it’s nothing though, but it’s pretty odd to say the least.

Valerie Curren

MI does occasionally get earthquake activity, but usually so mild that there are no major issues, fwiw.

Valerie Curren

It looks that airport isn’t in Oscoda County, but nowhere near the counties shown above…hmmm…

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This map from the tweet you shared shows that spots 3 & 4 are around Lansing, perhaps staging to protect Governor Witchmer from the people’s uprising over continually having our votes stolen? only slight sarc there 😉

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Valerie Curren

Here is local reporting on this per a nitter reply

https://nitter.poast.org/Bill56232585020/status/1856044363777802259#m

https://twitter.com/Bill56232585020/status/1856044363777802259#m

https://www.iosconews.com/oscoda_press/news/article_85740cc0-9891-11ef-bc6b-5f50e26d0a1b.html

Some of what seemed relevant in the above (amazing how much business was based on grant activity to get fed or state funds…sigh…)

Palmer provided an update on the Oscoda Wurtsmith Airport Authority (OWAA). He reported that the Federal Emergency Management Authority (FEMA) will be stationing a hub for emergency services. Three hundred and fifty semi trailers with equipment, to serve a six-county region, will be stored at the airport.
After the announcement created a whirlwind of questions, speculations and conspiracy theories on social media, Palmer called this reporter to clarify that the Wurtsmith Airport was being considered as the FEMA site but that no decisions had been made.
Palmer also reported during the meeting that the OWAA has applied for grant funding to build a new terminal which he said will be a beautiful building.
There have been no meetings of the Zoning Board of Appeals or the Local Development Finance Authority.
Trustee Tim Cummings was out of state and did not attend the meeting so he didn’t provide an update on the Restoration Advisory Board (RAB).

Also during public comment Cathy Wusterbarth reported that the next Restoration Advisory Board (RAB) meeting is scheduled for Nov. 20 at 5 p.m. at Oscoda United Methodist Church. An independent report regarding the remedial action will be reviewed prior to the meeting. Cathy noted that the construction on F-41 is the related to the remedial action.
“The State of Michigan has written a dispute resolution document related to monitoring of the systems and the Air Force’s inappropriate application of state regulations, that happened within the last month,” Cathy reported.
“We’re back at this again with the Air Force. The Air Force has a poor record with compliance.” Cathy added that she encourages the new board to continue to monitor the situation. “Just keep fighting for that clean water,” she concluded.

VC here again there was a discussion of a “Lake Huron Forever Pledge” that might involve government overreach into water usage but I didn’t dive in there.

Valerie Curren

This comment may provide a clue

Steve
@Steve45499551
2h
Replying to @Liberty_Scrypt
The one thing all these counties have in Common is the Grand River and Clinton River basins and tributaries.
The only county not included in the list is Ottawa at the mouth of the Grand.
What do they expect to happen?
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https://nitter.poast.org/Steve45499551/status/1856334916868260252#m

https://twitter.com/Steve45499551/status/1856334916868260252#m

This tweet has imagery including many semi tractors parked close together…hmmm

https://nitter.poast.org/doievenknowme8/status/1856112772573983214#m

https://twitter.com/doievenknowme8/status/1856112772573983214#m

Images of semi tractors in above tweets seem to contradict this statement, fwiw

spriteworks
@spriteworks
18h
Replying to @Liberty_Scrypt
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@spriteworks
19h
Apparently, the Twp. Manager misspoke, and there are no FEMA trailers. https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/svg/1f60f.svg

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Oscoda Twp. Manager Bill Palmer released the following statement:

“I misspoke at the Board meeting when I said FEMA was sending 350 semi’s to Wurtsmith what I meant to say was Wurtsmith was being ” considered” as a secure location along with 5 other possible locations for this secure staging of FEMA equipment, this would simply be a staging area for FEMA to cover some 6 counties in northern Michigan,as I understand, in case of an emergency or disaster of some kind, however at this time no decision has been made by FEMA to my knowledge.  And I have no idea why FEMA is considering this possible action.”

https://nitter.poast.org/spriteworks/status/1856088920447971804#m

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Valerie Curren

Someone else in Nitter replies refers to toxic waste, which may or may not be relevant

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https://nitter.poast.org/MerlingtonRyan/status/1856237559275221424#m

https://twitter.com/MerlingtonRyan/status/1856237559275221424#m

someone else raises Oscoda County’s Hazard Mitigation Plan

https://www.oscodacountymi.com/wp-content/uploads/Oscoda-County-Hazard-Mitigation-Plan.pdf

https://nitter.poast.org/NuBeeLuna/status/1856370019674009812#m

https://twitter.com/NuBeeLuna/status/1856370019674009812#m

Note, that Oscoda location is somewhat “midway” between the access points to Canada from Michigan: 2 bridges & a tunnel Detroit to Windsor; Bridge Port Huron to Sarnia; & Bridge from Sault St. Marie, MI in the UP to ? in Canada.

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Valerie Curren

From another article found in nitter replies

Notably, the former Wurtsmith Air Force Base is a Superfund site. It closed in 1993, and an Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry report says hazardous materials were released at the base and that those substances had “migrated” beyond the base’s boundaries. 

The contaminant in question is trichloroethylene (TCE), a solvent that produces other chemicals. The report details the debate about whether TCE could have been responsible for cancer or causing miscarriages near contaminated sites. 

The agency said contaminants were in local waterways and could pose health risks, though those were believed to have been contained through land-use restrictions. TCE contamination has been found at Nike Missile sites, though known Nikes stored in Michigan were limited to the Detroit area. However, the Air Force did have nuclear assets at Wurtsmith during the Cold War. 

As for the FEMA operation, the staging may have been storage of materials acquired under FEMA grants to local emergency management officials. 

https://www.themidwesterner.news/2024/11/mystery-fema-staging-350-semi-trailers-at-decommissioned-air-force-base-in-oscoda/

https://nitter.poast.org/01Unladen/status/1856236449957298430#m

https://twitter.com/01Unladen/status/1856236449957298430#m

Valerie Curren
Valerie Curren

From the Detroit News piece linked above

“We have no trailers at the location or on the way,” the agency said in a statement. “This is an unfortunate misunderstanding.”

This is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION of images shared at Nitter…I’ll see if I can find the close up of semi tractors there…

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https://nitter.poast.org/doievenknowme8/status/1856112772573983214#m

https://twitter.com/doievenknowme8/status/1856112772573983214#m

more from the Detroit News article, & why someone linked Kalitta air

Brenda McNeill, administrator for the Oscoda-Wurtsmith Airport Authority, said Monday that the mid-September tour and evaluation of the 2,200-acre airport in Iosco County was meant to assess whether the facility had the space to store securely FEMA supplies and equipment in the event of a disaster. She said the airport was one of five locations assessed and the airport has yet to hear back from the federal agency.

“They just needed to know we had the space, the land; we showed them the buildings,” McNeill told The Detroit News. “So, if anything were to happen, they would have somewhere to go.”

Palmer said Monday he had received information during an Oscoda-Wurtsmith Airport Authority board meeting that FEMA had called the airport to inquire whether there was secure space where the agency could stage emergency response equipment in the event of a disaster.

Palmer, who did not seek re-election Tuesday, said he wanted to make mention of the possibility at the board meeting since it was the last one that would be held before a new board took over operations of the township. Five out of seven board members were replaced in Tuesday’s election.

Since the meeting, Palmer said, the information has “spiraled out of control” and he’s received multiple concerned phone calls about the situation, including worries that the semi trailers would be used to house undocumented immigrants.

“When I made my report at our township board meeting, I mentioned FEMA was bringing in 350 semis,” Palmer told The Detroit News. “What I meant to say was they were considering Wurtsmith as a secure location.

“To my knowledge, no decision has been made by FEMA.”

State Rep. Mike Hoadley, R-Au Gres, said he also has been contacted by concerned residents in the northeast Lower Peninsula and noted it would make sense if the airport was under consideration.

He noted Kalitta Air, the airport’s largest tenant, has a history of government contracts, including transporting PPE during the COVID-19 pandemic and participating in emergency evacuations out of Afghanistan in 2021.

“Obviously, Wurtsmith Air Force Base came up in conversations,” Hoadley said.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalitta_Air

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pgroup2

That last pic is a bunch of newly manufactured trucks waiting for the cargo boxes to be installed.

They could be anywhere waiting to go to who knows where.

Valerie Curren

TY PGroup for calling me on an unintended error!

Well the series of pics getting ever more magnified claims to have a “pin” on the location in discussion, fwiw…

Fitch H. Beach Airport (FKPK) Charlotte Air Services on the image…hmmm, this may Not be the site in Northern Michigan!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitch_H._Beach_Airport

OK, I’m guilty of running w/ something in incomplete understanding. My mistake. Those Trucks are NOT at the Oscoda site!

please disregard those airport pics above as they don’t apply to the Oscoda facility!

I also added my correction to a Gab post here:

https://gab.com/ValerieCurren/posts/113471276949261152

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kalbokalbs

AZ needs to be ground zero in fighting election fraud.

NV ripe for easy pickins. CO SoS… GA…

Valerie Curren

Don’t forget Michigan   :wpds_evil: 

PAVACA

Apparently, Gallego (the “declared winner”) has tweeted out a “Gracias, Arizona!” message.

Time for Kari Lake AND the RNC to SUE THE CRAP out of Maricopa County for the bogus ballot dump — FORCE a hand-recount of ONLY the TRUE votes, with Republican attorneys present AND the cameras rolling — and for Kari Lake to NOT CONCEDE anything until the hand-recount of TRUE votes is done.

Valerie Curren

This!

eilert

WOAH!
8 billion impressions between 8/11-11/11 for @realDonaldTrump according to Dan Scavino
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1856203885292970296
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kalbokalbs

OK. For the dummy, Me.

8B looking at Trump stuff on X. All X. Or?

Yea, I am this S L O W.

—-
As an aside, X Ad revenue must be doing great.   :wpds_shock: 

Early on Elon X days, Ad revenue was a huge concern.

Gail Combs

He is correct. The fight is just begining.

Valerie Curren

Bring it on…I hate all this sneaking around 😉

Valerie Curren

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1856091353366827469

3 am ballot dump in WI to steal the senate seat

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kalbokalbs

Low hanging fruit, of sorts.

Another location for election fraud to zero in on.

—-

Then go back and look at 2020.

Several swing states through PFM, (Pure Fucking Magic), gained a collective 600K votes for Briben.

Valerie Curren

There is no atoning for that crime that wounded the whole world  😡 

Wolf Moon | Threat to Demonocracy

I want to see Demmunists going to prison for this shit.