“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
The question is prompted by the knowledge that a SOCIALIST, SATANIST, ANTIFA-LOVING DEMOCRAT who WANTED GUN CONTROL, shot up a bar SO THAT THERE WOULD BE GUN CONTROL.
Think about that. Read it again.
One of THEM shot up a bar so that WE will have our guns taken.
This was every bit like a political suicide bomber, doing a kamikaze run on the Bill of Rights.
What do you think will happen if we LET IT WORK?
Do you think it might happen AGAIN?
With the same results?
Take a hint from THE WOLF – this is not a sustainable situation.
Now, I ask you again.
How many innocent people will YOU let THEM kill to make YOU give up your guns?
Speaking for myself, I will let them kill as many innocent people as necessary until we realize that we are at WAR WITH SOCIALISTS, straight out of the Soviet Union and China, and that they must be PUT DOWN like the PROGRESSIVE NAZIS THEY ARE.
Peacefully if possible. But DONE. Just like World War II.
Preferably within the limits of the Geneva Convention. LEGALLY.
I didn’t want to call it “False Flag Sunday”, but that is what it felt like this morning, when I got up and heard the news about the shooting in Dayton.
What I want to do here is to gather into one place, our thinking about this Q-predicted series of violent attacks.
Part of me does NOT want to segregate this discussion from our normal open thread, but I’m thinking we may be close to a break in this stuff, and it will become much more clear after the afternoon reveals from LE in Dayton. A dedicated thread will help that process.
So here you are. Let’s push back on these DEMONCRAT and HOLDER FACTION narrative operations to BRAINWASH AGAINST GUNS.
This WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED WEDNESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
And while the most important thing you can do is to be able to tell our President THIS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!
It would also be PRETTY COOL to sign his birthday card!
I am rankled by all of this censorship, but oddly, it’s the Natural News ban that just bugs the heck out of me.
This was done because of vaccines. THAT is where the “misinformation” censorship begins.
I’m a bit of a “Ben Carson type” on vaccines. I think they’re awesome, but I really don’t think we’re being HONEST about both the benefits and dangers. We’re not even being honest about the LOGIC of vaccines – how they work – why they work – and how close their powerful mechanism lies to the guts of the machinery.
Vaccines are like guns in a airplane. One of the best ways to take out hijackers. But if you don’t admit that BAD THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN, TOO, you are LYING.
So – for a pro-vaxxer, I’m actually very sympathetic to the other side, and believe that it’s not humane to force people to give vaccines to their children.
This was STANDARD LOGIC AND ETHICS back when I was a kid, in the early days of most vaccines, by the way.
Moreover, I think we have to be hyper-vigilant for the very FIRST sign of trouble in children getting vaccines, and to ASSUME – in an abundance of caution – that this may be some kind of dangerous sensitization. We must make extreme allowances for bad reactions to be taken as a warning sign against continued vaccination. Even if this means we are OVERLY CAUTIOUS.
But that’s not the REAL REASON I care about Health Ranger’s free speech.
This is very personal for me, because Health Ranger – meaning Mike Adams – the Natural News guy – is one of the few people in science that I still respect.
When the whole FBI was clearly lying through its teeth about the Las Vegas massacre, and the Communist Democrats and KGB-CIA were pouring out every kind of LIE and DISINFORMATION, a gadfly skeptic named Mike Adams, whose HOBBY was gunfire acoustic analysis, dared to PROVE (1) that most of the shots actually did come from a location consistent with the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay, BUT (2) many of them DID NOT, and therefore there was a SECOND GUN.
His simple, solid line of evidence was never disproven – only mocked, stonewalled, and shilled against by people who did not approach the incident scientifically and skeptically, as did two misfits of science – Health Ranger and Wolf Moon.
Later, two lines of evidence for a second shooter emerged, fully consistent with both Health Ranger’s distance predictions for the second shooter, and certain witness statements that SEEMED like disinformation, but now made sense. The FBI actually HAS those witness statements, by they way.
One of these lines of evidence was videographic – images of people moving in a predicted sniper location, and at a time (and place) in accord with those witness statements.
The other line of evidence I HAVE NOT REVEALED. It is AWESOME STUFF, too.
Why, you might ask. Simple. There was so much REACTIVE DISINFORMATION by DNC communists, and suppression of evidence by the FBI under Andrew McCabe, that I refused to let injustice get its grubby mitts on the final card proving them all to be LIARS.
I have held onto my discovery like a lost wallet, that can ONLY be returned to its rightful owner, because NOBODY CAN BE TRUSTED.
Someday, I will return that wallet, but not today.
If you wondered WHY I did the horrific task of reading ALL 58 Las Vegas autopsies, then I can reveal that now. I wanted to PROVE OR DISPROVE whether there was a second gunman according to the HR/WM variant of the theory. Alas, the forensic evidence publicly available in the autopsies HINTS slightly toward a second gunman, but does not definitively prove or disprove the idea with the data available to me.
However, I strongly suspect that there is plenty of physical evidence in the autopsies and other evidence to prove a second gunman from a second location.
I believe that any failure to pronounce a second gunman and the probable location is either disinformation for investigative / prosecutorial purposes, or evidence that FBI is too infected to function correctly in this case.
But the bottom line is this.
I am now of the opinion that the Silicon Valley censorship monopolies must be destroyed.
Utterly.
Smashed into a thousand pieces.
W
SOCIALIST MEDIA – FREE AS IN CYANIDE-LACED KOOLAID
This TO RESTORE OUR CONSTITUTION TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember the 5 words that President Trump and Vice President Pence love to hear:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!
AND WHAT TIME IS IT? TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
There may be some question about what speech is allowed here.
My goal is to be as expansive as possible, as far as RULES. My preference is to be no more restrictive than the First Amendment.
So far, the only LEGAL speech I’ve acted against is metaphorical “targeted violence” against famous individuals that is probably NOT a real threat, but is easily misinterpreted as one by our enemies, and thereby used to shut us down, or to paint me as a legitimate target in an abused law enforcement set-up.
I don’t actually LIKE that stance. I would prefer to fight it out on those cases, should the speech ever be questioned, when I know the person is NOT actually a threat. However, I’ve been CONNED before, and SETTING PEOPLE UP to come to the aid of BAIT VICTIMS is a specialty of the left. Just look at SPYGATE to see how this works.
When you see the wounded hostage girl in the middle of the road, you don’t help her. You dump 50,000 rounds of ammo into every conceivable ambush point. Then you inspect the bodies, remove the booby-traps from the girl, and interrogate her to see if she’s a true hostage. Probably not.
Now you understand why I dealt severely with these cases. Do it that way once, and they don’t happen again.
So what about child pornography?
Easy. It’s illegal. Not allowed. Along with any other clearly illegal speech.
NOW, that said, NOT all illegal speech will actually be removed from this site. Child pornography would be removed, obviously, because just looking at it intentionally is a crime. However, an ILLEGAL THREAT will remain posted PUBLICLY as EVIDENCE which the PUBLIC has a right to see. I would likely preserve the EVIDENCE and BAN THE ACCOUNT so that the evidence could not be deleted.
Unlike all these places that seem to think it’s OK to hide social media accounts once they become important, I will not hide evidence that the PUBLIC has a right to see. All arguments AGAINST this involve forms of PRIOR RESTRAINT, and I simply don’t buy that shit. Journalists have a RIGHT to see it. That includes citizen journalists.
Now – in the interest of investigations – into scandals like NXIVM, “pizzagate”, and the Podesta brothers, we may actually end up DISCUSSING child pornography. I don’t have a problem with that. AT ALL. If we have to label the threads NSFW, not a problem.
What about “plain old pornography”? Well, if it’s relevant to MAGA or citizen journalism in some way, like in the news, then not a problem. We may have to label a thread NSFW. That’s reasonable, IMO. We can work that out.
Personally, I think that LINKS will get us by for such cases, and I will definitely NOT censor such links. Authors, however, are free to enforce stricter or looser LEGAL standards on their own threads. We’ve already had NXIVM tattoos and barely-covered Stormy breasts on here, and there WAS that HC porn tweet on the Ted Cruz account that made big news, and I would have allowed that tweet to be posted in a comment. People had to CLICK IT to SEE IT. That’s pretty much the same as a link, IMO.
What about plain old “people want to look at porn”? I’m not sure if that violates the terms of service for WordPress, but there is that to consider. As it is, I don’t think any of our authors are likely to start a porn thread, but if it happened, I would insist that it be clearly marked and NOT have a graphic featured image. I would actually prefer it be passworded, but not sure if I have that capability on this site. I’ve never really looked into that.
We will cross that HIGHLY UNLIKELY bridge if and when we come to it. Personally, I think porn threads would be highly unpopular here, if only because most of us know it’s a form of cultural Marxism.
What about graphic violence?
Honestly, this stuff is going to appear routinely in any Daily Thread in a world with Communists and Muslims, and there is little point in labeling these threads all NSFW, but I think that people CAN consider using links instead of images.
HOWEVER, I am NOT going to restrict such speech. In some cases, I may even encourage it, as TRAINING. I would prefer to simply let people FIGHT IT OUT over content, rather than impose rules. Indeed, I have not seen you good people fight enough with each other over content. I feel like a free speech drill sergeant with a bunch of raw recruits who refuse to ENGAGE in fighting drills. Y’all are gonna need some toughening up.
To me, beheading pictures and “little-girl-run-over-by-a-jihadist” pictures are exactly what is needed to make people WAKE THE FUCK UP about the reality of the Red-Green axis and why it needs to be shut down HARD, with various Clintons and Podestas in PRISON, and suffering as many riots, rockets, and false flags as it takes. I mean, seriously. Are you folks ready for a NUKE OR TWO to shut down the cabal? I’m not seeing it. If you aren’t willing to see NUKES GO OFF – probably false flags or psychological terrorist actions by THEM – nuclear 9/11 – in our fight to protect free speech, you’re not ready for this fight. You will WIMP OUT on 1A.
The WOLF will not wimp out on 1A, 2A, or any of the rest. If we push THEM into some kind of “sum of all fears” action, TOUGH. THEY pay for THEIR crimes.
NO. PRIOR. RESTRAINT.
In addition, analysis of FAKE graphic violence is KEY to stopping the censorship movement, as PALLYWOOD and KIWIWOOD have both demonstrated.
SO – expect bloody and lurid as we topple the FAKE WORLD that has been imposed on us. If you need to look away, look away. Nobody will blame you.
This TWO DAYS IN MAY TUESDAY open thread (OK, it’s really THURSDAY, but MUH SYMMETRY) is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember to KEEP PRESIDENT TRUMP IN PRAYER.
OUR FIVE WORDS TO HIM:
WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU
Always keep our movement’s larger purpose in mind – RESTORATION!!!
That is why there MUST BE cleaning of the SWAMP!!!
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
NOW….
THREE THINGS TONIGHT:
1.
Although I now have FOUR NIGHTS a week covered by authors (other than myself) who want to do Daily Threads, as follows, I am still looking for more.
Monday – Wheatietoo
Tuesday – Wolf Moon
Wednesday – Wolf Moon
Thursday – Wolf Moon
Friday – ForGodandCountry
Saturday – Wheatietoo
Sunday – ThinkThinkThink
If you think you would like to take one of the remaining “Wolf” days (T, W. Th, meaning you post the night before at midnight), please let me know. I am encouraged by the great reception that our Daily Thread authors are getting, and would love to add one or two new Daily Thread authors to take maximum advantage of this effect.
You need to be US-based, operating from a secure home computer (not on a roaming laptop or mobile device), and otherwise pass somewhat rougher vetting than even Wolf’s Extreme Vetting which posters normally pass. Some upstanding interested people in deep blue zones may simply be put on hold until enough of the swamp is IN JAIL, at which point American security will automatically tighten.
The reasons I am now being a bit more cautious about (a) location of authors, and (b) making sure that this place could run smoothly if I were, say, indisposed due to some kind of LAWFARE plot, has to do with both items 2 and 3. I believe that my strongest earlier suspicions about DOJ and FBI under Rosenstein are now confirmed. More on that below.
So if you’re interested, please let me know.
2.
There is an article in Human Events about AG Barr that your really need to read. HOWEVER, WordPress goes NUTS if the URL “embeds”, so here is a masked link:
I will also embed the URL at the END of this post, where it can’t mess anything up.
This article explains my theory on Barr, Mueller and Rosenstein in LEGAL terms.
To ME, it confirms that Rosey is a black hat who has more successfully than anybody masked himself. He was willing to let OTHERS decide Trump’s fate, once he created the corrupt Mueller process. This is how they created plausible deniability of malicious intent. Rosey threw the magic potato that turned into a grenade and said “That’s OK, just follow the process for throwing potatoes and all will be well. See? I agree with Bill Barr now that he’s my boss.”
It’s LAWFARE. I can SEE IT. Others did, too, and that is why they booted Sessions to get somebody to END THE LAWFARE based on BAD LAW (the subsection in question, which will eventually go to SCOTUS, and which is the basis of Democrat obstruction traps).
I believe that the NEED to bring in Barr is related to the “change” in “Trust Sessions” – that there was a need to stop “trusting” him and replace him. Basically, a CHANGE in the plan. In my opinion, people RIGHTLY stopped trusting Rosey, but they needed to remove SESSIONS to get past Rosey the Rook, who had castled with King Robert of Mueller.
Whatever. Water under the bridge, but WE were pawns in it. WE had to go, so that Trump supporters who liked Sessions would get out of the way of FALLING SESSIONS, who pretty much fell on his sword.
3.
The Democrats are extremely serious about 2020. I am seeing plot investments on a scale which DWARFS anything I have seen before.
I believe that the Democrats and black hats have LOST access to NSA data on me, and that this explains why there has been a relatively large degree of calm in my life. HOWEVER, I have now discovered how they intend to remedy that situation, and it’s fairly ingenious. Independent discovery of the same by the White Hats will validate.
The shooting at the synagogue in Poway has interesting details
that we might want to keep discussing as we ponder
the aims, successes, and yes, failures of the puppet masters
behind these despicable attacks.
Rachel Stoltzfoos | Staff Reporter at DailyCaller.com
The man who fired a semi-automatic weapon inside the Chabad of Poway synagogue in San Diego on Saturday froze, dropped his gun and sprinted to his car when he saw Oscar Stewart come barreling toward him, yelling so loud the priest at a neighboring church could hear.
“Get down!” Stewart yelled, according to his wife and others who were at the scene. “You motherfucker! I’m going to kill you!”
Others who were there later told him it sounded like four or five people were shouting. He thinks maybe an angel was standing behind him and speaking through his voice. When the shooter ran, he immediately gave chase.
Stewart, 51, told The Daily Caller on Sunday he doesn’t remember any conscious thought from the moment he heard the gun shots until it was all over — he just acted on instinct to stop the shooter and prevent him from leaving so he couldn’t hurt more people somewhere else. The Iraq combat veteran said his military training kicked in.
“I knew I had to be within five feet of this guy so his rifle couldn’t get to me,” Stewart said. “So I ran immediately toward him, and I yelled as loud as I could. And he was scared. I scared the hell out of him.”
Stewart served in the Navy in explosive ordnance disposal from 1990 to 1994, then enlisted in the Army in 2001 because of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
“Looking back, it was kind of a crazy idea to do, but I did it.” He was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and left the military in 2004, as a staff sergeant. He’s now in construction work.
When the gunman opened fire, he was in the back of the synagogue. By the time he got to the lobby, the shooter had killed one woman, blown the finger off of a rabbi, and injured two others.
“I heard gunshots,” Stewart said. “And everybody got up and started trying to get out the back door, so I — for whatever reason — I didn’t do that. I ran the other way. I ran towards the gun shots.”
“When I came around the corner into the lobby area, I saw the individual with a gun, and he fired two rounds. And I yelled at him and I must have yelled very loud, and he looked at me, and I must have had a really mean look on my face or something, because he immediately dropped his weapon and turned and ran. And then I gave chase.”
Stewart said he chased him all the way out to his car and began pounding on it — the shooter had managed to lock himself in. When Stewart saw him reach for a rifle, he punched the side of the car as hard as he could, intending to figure out a way to drag him out of the car. That’s when a Border Patrol agent who attends the synagogue came running out to the parking lot, yelling for Stewart to get down because he had a gun.
Stewart says this man may have saved his life and pointed to his use of a civilian’s gun as evidence that gun control isn’t the answer to these kinds of tragedies. Stewart was off-duty and was apparently handed the weapon by someone else on the scene.
“It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun,” he told the Caller.
The agent fired several rounds into the lower part of the vehicle, intending to disable it, but the shooter managed to drive away. The two of them then grabbed a phone from someone and called the police to report his license plate. The shooter later turned himself in.
After he sped off, Stewart ran back into the synagogue and found a woman he knew, 60-year-old Lori Gilbert Kaye, unresponsive on the floor in the lobby. He began CPR and continued trying to bring her back to life as a couple of doctors arrived and began to assist him. She didn’t make it. The two had talked occasionally, and he remembers her as a passionate and kind woman.
“She had different political views, so we had interesting discussions when we talked,” he said. “We didn’t just talk about the weather. It was kind of cool. She was a very loving woman.”
Stewart considers her the real hero. Eyewitnesses said she jumped in front of the rabbi to save his life.
“People in the aftermath here have been saying it’s important to be strong and defend ourselves. I also think it’s important to know that being strong and defending ourselves requires a lot of sacrifice too.”
“I don’t know if I consciously made the choice to potentially sacrifice myself,” he added. “But I did. And this lady, she stood and she jumped in front of the shooter and she saved the rabbi’s life. When somebody said I was a hero, I’m like, she was a hero. I just did it instinctively, like an animal. There was no conscious decision. I just did it.”
He may not call himself a hero, but Stewart believes his actions effectively stopped the shooter. He doesn’t think reports of the shooter’s gun jamming as the reason he fled are likely to be true, because he was using a semi-automatic rifle. “Full automatic weapons will jam,” he said. “Semi-automatic weapons do not jam.” He thinks maybe the shooter had emptied his magazine. Whatever the case, the shooter let the slung weapon drop and fled.
“He was in the act of shooting when I saw him,” Stewart said. “When I yelled at him he turned and looked at me, and he like froze. And then the look on his face was one of amazement at first, and then one of fear. He saw me coming, and I was ready to do whatever I had to do to stop him.”
For his part, Stewart doesn’t attribute the shooter’s actions to a larger agenda and was reluctant to connect him to a larger political context. He doesn’t blame President Donald Trump and expressed hope that people don’t try to blame anyone else for the man’s actions. “He was an individual acting alone,” he said.
“If you’re ignorant and you don’t know what people are like, you don’t know that I’m a person just like you. I go to work every day in a manual labor job. I’m not some, you know – supposedly he said in his manifesto that the Jews control this and that — I don’t control anything. I go to work just like you every day. He didn’t know that.”
“If he had gotten to know me, he would know that I’m a great person, that I’m a nice guy, that I’m a very caring person,” he continued. “My apprentices — they all love me. They say that I’m the best teacher in the world, you know, that I care, that I try to teach them, and if he had known any of these people, like the lady Lori who died. She would go give Easter baskets to kids and that’s not even a Jewish thing, you know. … She was just a warm person.”
If anything’s to blame, he says it’s social media and the increasingly disconnected world we find ourselves in. “The whole media thing — people don’t get to know people, and they get to sit in a cocoon, and sit and make opinions on what somebody writes. It’s not good. We need to interact more.”
“The most important thing I want to share is that we need to know each other,” he said. “If you make an opinion on anyone, you need to know what they’re about, and who they are. You can’t generalize and say every blue person is evil because they’re blue. That’s ridiculous.”
The funeral service for Kaye is on Monday. He expects the synagogue will be totally packed.
Wow! #Poway Chabad Rabbi had asked border patrol agent who took down the Synagogue shooter to pray armed – just in case. In doing so, they averted an even greater catastrophe! The agent only recently discovered his Jewish roots.https://t.co/taCgwSj8fQ
POWAY, California — Jonathan Morales, an armed off-duty US Customs and Border Patrol agent who recently discovered his Jewish roots, was among the worshipers at Chabad of Poway on Saturday when John Earnest entered the synagogue near San Diego during Passover services and began shooting. The 19-year-old gunman killed Lori Gilbert-Kaye, 60, and wounded three people: Rabbi Yisroel Goldstein, 8-year-old Noya Dahan and her uncle, Almog Peretz. “Morales recently discovered his Jewish roots. He would travel three and a half hours from [the California town of] El Centro to pray with us at our shul,” Goldstein told media at a Sunday press conference outside the synagogue. “He felt this was his house of worship. And many times I said, ‘Jonathan, you work for the border patrol. Please arm yourself when you are here; we never know when we will need it.’” US President Donald Trump spoke with Goldstein on Sunday and took to Twitter to praise the rabbi and Morales, writing: “He may have been off duty but his talents for Law Enforcement weren’t!”
Sincerest THANK YOU to our great Border Patrol Agent who stopped the shooter at the Synagogue in Poway, California. He may have been off duty but his talents for Law Enforcement weren’t!
As for why there weren’t any active duty guards at the synagogue, in an earlier interview with CNN Goldstein said, “Unfortunately, we couldn’t afford to have an armed security officer at every service, so whenever we had extra help, we were grateful for it.” In a moment that Goldstein referred to as “miraculous,” Earnest’s gun jammed, and congregant Oscar Stewart, a 51-year-old Army veteran, and Morales attempted to subdue the gunman. Morales was also able to open fire and give pursuit. After Earnest fled the building, Morales followed in his own vehicle and shot and hit Earnest’s car. Earnest soon turned himself in to law enforcement. On Sunday, Goldstein, his two hands in fresh blue bandages, gave a detailed recounting of Saturday’s harrowing shooting in Poway, a suburban town just north of San Diego. “I was preparing for my sermon, I walked out of the sanctuary and into the lobby and I saw my dear friend Lori Kaye,” said Goldstein. “I walked into the banquet hall to wash my hands, walked two or three footsteps and I heard a loud bang.” That bang was the sound of the first shots fired by Earnest, a college student who entered the Chabad House undetected amid a flow of mourners who were gathering for Yizkor, the traditional memorial service held on the final day of Passover. “I turned around and saw something indescribable,” Goldstein continued. “Here is a young man standing with a rifle pointing right at me. He had sunglasses on. I couldn’t see his eyes, I couldn’t see his soul.” The rabbi said that when he saw the shooter he initially froze, then raised his hands to cover his face. Two of his fingers were blown off; one was reattached by surgeons at Palomar Medical Center in San Diego late Saturday. Gilbert-Kaye, whom relatives and friends on Saturday described as a woman of unconditional love and unbounded generosity, was the only fatality of Earnest’s mass shooting. Goldstein took several minutes to thank San Diego County law enforcement and to praise the wellspring of warmth and support that the local community has offered in light of the tragedy.
A chain of miracles
In a remarkable series of events, the rabbi and a handful of congregants were able to save a group of children playing in the adjacent banquet hall, preventing a full-fledged massacre. “I ran [to gather the children],” Goldstein says. “My granddaughter, who is four and a half years old, saw her grandpa with a bleeding hand. She saw me shouting, ‘Get out! Get out!’ She didn’t deserve to see her grandfather like that.” Aided by Peretz, an Israeli war veteran who was also at Chabad of Poway with his family Sunday, Goldstein was able to usher the children out of the banquet hall with the shooter in pursuit. But in what Goldstein referred to as a “miracle,” Earnest’s gun jammed. Even while Morales was still on Earnest’s trail, congregants — who had been gathered in the sanctuary and would have made easy targets for Earnest had his gun not jammed — fled to Chabad’s front entrance. Goldstein’s hand was bleeding badly and his two fingers were dangling by cartilage. “I grabbed a prayer shawl,” he said, wrapped his wounds, and stood on a chair to address his congregation. “I said, ‘I gotta do something,’” he said. “I said to our congregation: ‘Am Yisrael chai [The People of Israel live]. We are a Jewish nation that will stand tall and we will not let anyone or anything take us down.’”
Farewell to an ‘angel’
“Lori took the bullet for all of us. She died to protect all of us. She didn’t deserve to die,” Goldstein said. Gilbert-Kaye was one of the congregation’s oldest and most devoted members, the rabbi told media. A former employee of Wells Fargo, she was instrumental in helping Chabad secure the loan for the building in the early 1990s. She and her husband Howard were so close with the rabbi and his wife that two weeks ago they flew to New York City for Goldstein’s youngest daughter’s wedding, and danced together with the bride.
Roneet Lev, friend of Chabad of Poway shooting victim Lori Gilbert-Kaye, April 28, 2019. (Debra Kamin/Times of Israel)
Her generosity and kindness was lauded on Sunday by Roneet Lev, who was at the Chabad of Poway to mourn. Lev described herself as Kaye’s best friend. “Lori Kaye is an angel on this planet,” Lev said. “She’s touched many lives in her own life. Not just in this community but throughout the entire world.” Describing a woman who always carried gifts cards and greeting cards to offer as presents and who would regularly purchase extra coffees and donuts for homeless people on the street, Lev explained that Kaye was at Chabad of Poway to say the first Kaddish mourner’s prayer for her mother, who had recently died. Kaye’s daughter Hannah lives in Los Angeles and had driven down to be with her mother for the service. Lev offered hope and optimism as she spoke of her friend. “Even in this horrible, painful event, we know good will come out of it,” Lev said. “Lori is known for bringing out the good in people. And look at these flowers. Look at this law enforcement. Look at the good people of San Diego. Lori is now bringing them together.”
p.s., another article about the shooting from a local paper was originally posted with some odd wording that cast some shadows on the synagogue’s use of DHS funds to strengthen security. The second and third versions fixed this gaff and added a quote from the local ADL spokesperson.
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The “AR” in AR-15 stands for ArmaLite, NOT assault rifle. This is a point we need to be making with everyone that we talk about such things with. Continue reading “Be Like Lions, Not Lambs”→
There is a LOT going on in the concealed carry world – and in particular the area of CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.
Constitutional carry is winning big.
For those who don’t know what constitutional carry means – it means (roughly, subject to NUMEROUS state and federal laws) that anybody who is legally allowed to OWN a weapon is allowed to BEAR that weapon in any legal manner, including concealment.
Practically, it means that law-abiding people in a constitutional carry state can carry a concealed weapon without a license. Since most people (particularly non-criminals) are somewhat scared to do this without training, in practice, there is little difference between a state with licensed, law-abiding, trained carriers and a state with unlicensed, law-abiding, trained carriers.
With three new Constitutional Carry states this year, more and more gun owners are enjoying the freedom of Constitutional Carry. pic.twitter.com/xcX6biyuO9
Ironically, this is a byproduct of liberal laws that kept chipping away, federally, at who could own weapons, and how that would be determined. Thus, at this point, one passes an FBI background check to simply OWN a weapon, so there is almost no issue other than TRAINING with the idea of letting the person CARRY that weapon.
And THAT is where I think we need to STRIKE HARD – assuring voters that – yes – concealed carriers in YOUR NEW constitutional carry state are going to be WELL-TRAINED, which is even better and SAFER than simply WELL-REGULATED.
The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) today applauded Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin for signing Senate Bill 150 into law. SB 150 is NRA-backed legislation that fully recognizes the constitutional right of law-abiding gun owners to carry a concealed firearm.
“On behalf of the NRA’s five million members, we would like to thank Governor Bevin for his leadership on this critical issue,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “This law is a common sense measure that allows law-abiding citizens to exercise their fundamental right of self-protection in the manner that best suits their needs.”
Kentucky already recognizes the right to carry a firearm openly without a permit. Current law, however, requires a state-issued permit to carry that same firearm under a coat or in a bag. This new law simply extends the current open carry rule to concealed carry. Those who obtain permits will still be able to take advantage of the reciprocity agreements that Kentucky has with other states.
NRA Institute for Legislative Action
My prejudice on the topic of TRAINING comes from having known somebody who was an early concealed carry (CC) trainer in an early CC state. That person – a former assistant DA, strongly influenced my thinking, even though I was not a concealed carrier.
Back then, CC licenses were generally hard to get and required considerable training. Not all states were “shall issue”, meaning that the state had to have a damn good reason to deny a permit. Denials were common and arbitrary – kinda like New York City and Washington DC.
There were many excuses NOT to grant permits. TRAINING was the most plausible one, but also the one that was most easily remedied.
“So you want training? I’ll get training.”
Most state laws had provisions for REQUIRED training, with various degrees of specificity. This was done, in part, to assure both legislators and voters that the CC legislation would not be a RISK to the public and LEOs (law enforcement officers) from untrained or poorly trained individuals.
What I learned, over the years, is that training REALLY IS IMPORTANT. Thanks to the knowledge I gained from this instructor, as well as what I learned myself in the following decades, I came to realize that training is not just a good idea – it is ESSENTIAL. If you, as a gun-owning individual, want your gun to be a guaranteed HELP and not a potential RISK TO SELF – both physically and legally – you NEED training.
I don’t care who DOES the training – even YOURSELF – you need training!
This tweet pretty much sums up the issue, minus my belief in the power of SELF-TRAINING.
NOW – before you start typing – nobody needs to tell me that forcing people to get more and more training is often a DODGE to knowingly suppress the right to keep and bear arms (RKBA). Training is not cheap – and thus it is in many ways a POLL TAX and in some ways the VOTER SUPPRESSION of RKBA. The TIMING of training is also an annoyance for most, and an obstacle for many.
And yet – of all the excuses that can be mustered up against constitutional carry, training is by far the most reasonable and plausible.
But here it the thing that changes the dynamic. The most important part of CC training, in my opinion, is not HOW TO SHOOT. It is actually WHEN AND WHERE NOT TO SHOOT.
The most important part of training, in my mind, is actually LEGAL. It is these points of KNOWLEDGE:
WHEN and WHERE a person may or may not CARRY
WHEN and WHERE a person may or may not DRAW
WHEN and WHERE a person may or may not FIRE
None of which requires anything beyond self-training, online, or from a booklet.
This is why I think that – if ANYBODY can carry, ANYBODY needs access to the BASICS of training.
If we BELIEVE that self-training is possible, and make it easy to get, then I believe there are no true logical barriers to constitutional carry in TWICE the number of states that now accept it. AND I think it becomes entirely possible for those states to have a reciprocity pact.
Trust me – the main message of all of this stuff is DON’T SHOOT. It’s not just assurance to people who are scared of guns – it’s assurance to YOU, the gun owner.
When I see ANY incident on the news where a concealed carrier is involved in a questionable shooting – either by the carrier or by an LEO, it is almost always apparent that the carrier was either not trained, or not paying attention to their training. And the parts they were not paying attention to were not the parts you learn on the range. They are the parts you get in a classroom, or from a book.
While I am going to support constitutional carry under almost any circumstance, I would PERSONALLY be much happier to see constitutional carry legislation accompanied by a minimalist ONLINE SELF-TRAINING – possibly with self-testing – that makes certain permitless carriers are free to become familiar with the rules of the road before they carry.
And there’s no reason this training can’t provide incentives for REAL training, too.
I don’t think this is a lot of money – probably far less than permit systems. But I do think that it’s going to help make constitutional concealed carry the SUCCESS that it really deserves to be.
Remember – TRAINING and TRAINING REQUIREMENTS are not the same.
WOLF snarls at training requirements, but he makes happy panting noises at TRAINING.
MOAR TRAINING is a good thing. It means fewer and fewer accidents, incidents, and problems. I believe it’s in everybody’s interest, too.
Not every business is as dedicated to the Second Amendment as BLACK RIFLE COFFEE COMPANY.
Now – I’m generally of the opinion that a business can do what it wants to, and if a business wants to be a gun-free zone, they are welcome to become one.
However, I also have a right to take my business elsewhere.
One of the interesting things I’ve noticed SINCE the midterms, is that the left is really starting to carry forward their “war on guns” without any pretense or permission.
Part of that war seems to be labeling places as GUN FREE ZONES – meaning they are forbidding even legal concealed carry. Personally, I’ve always LIKED the idea that there are PROBABLY a few CC license holders in most public places. It seemed like the only gun free zones were the “agreed-upon” ones – federal buildings, doctor’s offices, airports, schools, etc. Even those weren’t good ideas, IMO, but at least they were FEW.
WELLLLLLL…..
That’s all changing. I am now noticing that CHL holders are NOT welcome in:
Post Offices
Starbucks
AMC Theaters
Certain shopping centers
Fancy department stores
Some of this is REALLY SNEAKY, too. You have to read the SUPER-FINE PRINT in places people don’t normally look, to see that concealed carriers, and even off-duty police carrying arms, are not welcome. Other venues are more “in-your-face” now, with stickers at face level on the doors, which is appreciated, but not completely, given that they are treating licensed carriers and law enforcement in ways that they will NOT treat illegal alien CRIMINALS.
For a while I decided not to let this bother me. Based on what I see online, I figured there were probably a FEW people who might be carrying ANYWAY, and that they could protect me.
However, with the advent of really powerful scanners, I think we’re getting to the point that I can’t actually count on there being any “good guy civil disobedience” in these venues. GOOD PEOPLE will be taking great risks, if they wander into these “target galleries” armed – even off-duty police.
My feeling is that there is only one way. We have to PUNISH these places by withdrawing our business en masse.
SO – with that in mind – please OUT your “favorite” gun-free zones, so that we can start avoiding them and pulling back our dollars. Also, if you know ALTERNATIVE places that are NOT gun-free zones, please let us know who THOSE people are, so that we can switch allegiance.
This FIGHT THE FALSE-FLAGGING FABIANS FRIDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
AND WE WILL DO MORE.
WE WILL DEFEND FREE SPEECH TO VICTORY, STANDING DEFIANTLY OVER THE RUINS OF THEIR CRUSHED FAKE NEWS.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
OK. *NOW* I’m pissed.
Australia’s little assault on free speech has pretty much convinced me that….
FIVE EYES IS DEAD – CUT THEM OUT.
Matthew 18:9
And if your eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: it is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
It’s fairly easy to see, at this point, how this internationally coordinated strike worked. They tried the Khashoggi operation and THAT didn’t work, so now they try false flags OVERSEAS and then shut down the only channels that can debunk them.
And these people are ALLIES? To HELL with that. They’re becoming anglophone NAZIS with a penchant for RUSSIAN DISINFO OPERATIONS followed by CHINESE CRACKDOWNS.
Screw ’em. RAUS!
I am now publicly changing my tune on the idea of Q going away quietly.
FUUUUCK THAAAAT SHIIIIIT.
No. They no longer get off the “easy way”.
BRING THE PAIN.
In the end, I want these bastards admitting in CHAINS that they LIED about Q. I want to see Q’s FACE above the fold of the MILITARILY OCCUPIED NEW YORK TIMES.
It’s time for PAIN. FUUUUUUCK the PROGGGGGGS.
#WAR.
W
DONE WITH PROGS. DONE WITH FIVE EYES. DONE WITH COMMIES. BRING THE PAIN.
This WE THE TROLLS OF SAVING AMERICA / TIME TO DECLARE WAR ON NEW ZEALAND / OK MAYBE NOT REALLY BUT DAMN THESE KIWI PROG-COMMIE DODOS WEDNESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it. Just look at NEW FUCKING ZEALAND to see how easy it is to LOSE FREEDOM when prog-commies are nearby.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
OK – I’m sorry, but New Zealand socialism is cranking out some really weird shit these days, and quite frankly, I can see these pesky kiwis siding with the ChiNazis against the Free World.
Check it out….
It just gets worse from there. READ…..
Here is the psy-op payload, people….
“Radicalized into trolling”
It is now ENTIRELY possible to see how and WHY the New Zealand prog-commie socialists literally created the persona for this fake Christchurch killer. Not just his fake manifesto, but his actual FAKE PERSONA.
It is the combination of the cringeworthy persona and the laughable manifesto, combined with the stilted, wooden, face-palm propaganda which follows, that gives away EXACTLY what the progzis of New Zealand and our very own KGB-CIA are up to.
Now, I don’t want to point out who on the MAGA side actually FELL FOR IT (it includes some very big names), because I myself was one of the folks who fell for one of the videos, early on, until it was crowd-source examined.
And THAT is the point. Fake News really is FAKE – but the INTERNET allows us to DISCERN THE FAKERY. And it is our current ability to undermine the fake HUMAN CONTROL NARRATIVES that leads to PRECISELY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Let me put a fine point on this. This “psychotic killer” is anything BUT. He is a carefully crafted psy-op operative, who worked with a combination of Western socialists-pwned intelligence agencies, to FAKE a mass killing which was specifically designed to go after the parts of the internet that QUESTION THE FAKE NEWS CONTROL MEMES.
Just read the article. The ENTIRE New Zealand *FAKE* shooting operation hinges on the idea of closing down the locations of internet free speech that…
allowed us to escape their control
gave rise to Trump and MAGA
saved America from socialist takeover
are the only thing standing in the way of global socialism
The ANTI- TROLL (read anti-free-speech) parts of the hoax were BAKED IN at the beginning. Their intelligence operative was NOT what he is being sold as. This explains the MASSIVE dichotomy between his HISTORY and his STORY.
It is VERY clear that New Zealand is under a prog-commie deception coup carried out by the KGB-CIA, since they could NOT keep their hold on America, and they need an new anglophone base of operations for their socialist intelligence operations.
In my opinion, America needs to drop a huge hammer on ALL TRAVEL FROM New Zealand to America, if we want to get control of false flags like the Las Vegas operation. On the other hand, allowing the PROBLEM to LEAVE our great nation, and concentrate on two small “enemy” islands – well, I’ll let folks mull over the strategic benefits of THAT ONE. Personally, I would stamp the Cankles-commie passports from America to New Zealand in a HEARTBEAT to get those slimy murderous fuckers off our soil.
We can deal with them later. Let them LEAVE NOW. And let them NEVER COME BACK.
W
I leave you with some early Kiwi-Prog-Commie propaganda. NOW do you understand? It would be interesting to look at the development of this movie from conception to finish, to spot WHERE crypto-Soviet and ChiCom influence began filtering in to begin the “long march” to where we are now. “Future proves past.” As they say.
