“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
Looking around the CDC website, I eventually found what I was looking for. It was off the beaten path, but in a place where journalists were apparently used to looking for goodies on a weekly basis.
This is much like an academic paper. Here is the title information:
Let’s put that into text.
Summary of Guidance for Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems — United States, August 2022
Early Release / August 11, 2022 / 71
Greta M. Massetti, PhD1; Brendan R. Jackson, MD1; John T. Brooks, MD1; Cria G. Perrine, PhD1; Erica Reott, MPH1; Aron J. Hall, DVM1; Debra Lubar, PhD1; Ian T. Williams, PhD1; Matthew D. Ritchey, DPT1; Pragna Patel, MD1; Leandris C. Liburd, PhD1; Barbara E. Mahon, MD1 (View author affiliations)View suggested citation
Summary
What is already known about this topic?
High levels of immunity and availability of effective COVID-19 prevention and management tools have reduced the risk for medically significant illness and death.
What is added by this report?
To prevent medically significant COVID-19 illness and death, persons must understand their risk, take steps to protect themselves and others with vaccines, therapeutics, and nonpharmaceutical interventions when needed, receive testing and wear masks when exposed, receive testing if symptomatic, and isolate for ≥5 days if infected.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Medically significant illness, death, and health care system strain can be reduced through vaccination and therapeutics to prevent severe illness, complemented by use of multiple prevention methods to reduce exposure risk and an emphasis on protecting persons at high risk for severe illness.
Given that NPR is an official party organ, that’s pretty serious. I repeat:
So assuming you’ve read one of the summaries (Fox or CNET) or at least the NPR checklist, what do more critical voices think?
Many people consider it a REVERSAL OF POLICIES in several important ways. Naomi Wolf, who has championed medical freedom from a classical liberal standpoint, is one of them.
Naomi and Steve Take a Tour of WTF Falls
CDC’s sudden reversal on COVID guidance – from obsessively meddling and frequently “backwards” to “almost sane” – is almost certainly political in many ways, including a reaction of the DNC to their dismal prospects in the upcoming election. And yet the new guidance does do some scientific “hand-waving” to justify itself.
Without making enough of a point about natural immunity to admit its superiority to the immunity offered by the “vaccines”, CDC has admitted the fact that natural immunity, along with clot shot immunity, has effectively ended the crisis of the virus.
The crisis of the vaccinated, however, is just beginning.
people don’t want COVID vaccines – Moderna is throwing out 30 million unwanted doses
people don’t want the vaccines for their kids
vaccines don’t affect transmission, and CDC no longer says so
there’s no reason to have mandates, firings, dismissals
now after all the destruction, not even an apology, just ignore vaccination status
“the edifice is crumbling, because so many people have exposed their lies”
the legacy media is not questioning the reversal – just putting it out there
CDC is making up a fantasy about the science having evolved
no evidence is presented, just as no evidence was presented before
no mention is made of the devastation from the policies that went before
So what does the Wolf think of all this?
Light in August
The novel is an exploration of what we think we know vs what we actually know.
Pamela Jean, Goodreads
To dig out the truth, as scientists instead of artists, we have to “think we know” things, and on average, more often than not, what we think we know has to turn into what we actually know.
In addition to simply denying us “things we think we know” by gaslighting and censorship, one of the ways that criminals get away with things, is by throwing enough phony “think we know” at us, to prevent us from ever getting to the point of actually knowing things.
“Chaff and countermeasures“, as Sundance likes to call them.
To me, the very first CHAFF is right in the “title” of the “new guidance”. The PROPAGANDA is LEADING with the “new goal”.
Summary of Guidance for Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems — United States, August 2022
These creeps didn’t just say something short and open-ended like “Summary of Guidance for Management of COVID-19, August 2022” – they added their alleged goal right there.
“Minimizing the Impact of COVID-19 on Individual Persons, Communities, and Health Care Systems“
WAIT A MINUTE.
SO – suddenly THAT MATTERS?
It didn’t matter EARLIER.
These two things are things we actually know.
That title of the new guidance could have been written by Scott Atlas. You know – the SWORN ENEMY OF SCARF WENCH. And yet – we are now in the BIDEN administration – which pushed the FATAL SHOTS.
It has been my contention that Scott Atlas was ABSOLUTELY NOT on #TeamDepopulation, and that Birx refusal to even go to meetings where he was present, was not only a smart tactic of policy engagement, but a tactic of “big plot defense”.
If there was ever anybody who would have seen through to the “virtuous depopulation plan to save the planet from climate change” in real time, it would have been Scott Atlas. Here is a guy who understood motivation in health care, from the inside – but obviously from the “old days” of FIRST, DO NO HARM. He’s old school – just look at his age – obvious in the picture. If Birx would have slipped up somehow in gunning for more control, less treatment, and ultimate reliance on the statistically fatal shots, it would have been clear as day to Atlas. HIS suspicions could have been raised to the proper levels.
This is something we THINK WE KNOW – not something we ACTUALLY KNOW.
At least, NOT YET.
Ideas that can become things we ACTUALLY KNOW have to become CONCEIVABLE first, and to become conceivable TO THE PUBLIC, they have to become public.
This is why ALL THE CENSORSHIP. The “virtuous depopulation plan” was not allowed to become conceivable in the minds of men and women, by not allowing the smaller components of the idea to take shape – to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, leading to NEW EVIDENCE.
Sure – they love to let people make the BIG assertions, because who would believe them? It’s the smaller things that add up, that allow us to see that 1+2+3+4=10.
Now – Birx is a tricky one. Not only does she admit to sabotaging Trump in terms of her reporting practices and bureaucratic policy documentation, which can be made to look virtuous to the left – she even tried to feed Trump rope to hang himself, which is at best unseemly, and at worst treasonous.
An example of that level of personal duplicity is how Birx gave Trump a “tour of the incredible” in terms of COVID cures, leading Trump to then give the waiting Fake News media exactly what it wanted – “injection of bleach”, “crazy ultraviolet treatments”, and all that noise.
Let’s be very blunt. Birx SET TRUMP UP. KNOWINGLY.
At the time of “infamous injection of bleach”, I was struck by Trump’s demeanor when stating the things he did. It was clear to me that he KNEW this would feed the media with red meat for controversy, but even more, I detected DISDAIN FOR BIRX, as he mentioned VERY BRIEFLY having gotten the tour, and then proceeded to “step into the trap” by stating some of the things they looked at, stripped of anything he MUST have heard, supporting their scientific credibility.
Typical Trump – allowing the Fake News to backhandedly validate him, while not “appearing weak” by making the arguments himself.
He let Scarf Wench crow for the moment, only to “wear the L” later.
Getting back to the point, there has to be a set of reasons WHY CDC is suddenly “normalizing normal again”.
Democrats are no longer pretending. They’re doing the right thing. WHY?
The election is surely one of them. Democrat voters need to come back for their hug after being bitch-beaten to the graveyard.
But there is MORE. This policy is IN MOTION. It has already been allowed to pass the phalanx of school administrators, who had earlier enjoyed their lockdown and mandate powers well beyond the expiration date.
Holly brought us EVIDENCE in that regard. I invite you to enjoy this conversation as much as we did!
Good sign! Utica University’s fall 2022 covid policy no longer requires the vaxx or exemptions for ANYONE. Private and in New York. This is a big deal.
This is now something we ACTUALLY KNOW. Democrats (teachers unions and university administrators) are doing a 180 in terms of feeding the “protesting parents of Democrat-abused children” with any MEDICAL reasons to protest. Even at the CDC level, they are relenting.
WHY? Just for the election?
Democrats are STILL pushing both TRANS and CRT in schools. Indeed, the early assertion that the notorious Tavistock Institute was being shut down not as victory over TRANS, but as a form of TARGET DENIAL, so that TRANS could be disseminated to hospitals and schools, seems to be borne out, as the center of the fight has indeed shifted to a multitude of “woke” hospitals with insane new TRANS policies.
No. There is more. And I may not ACTUALLY KNOW that the depoppers in American medical bureaucracy are strategically retreating, but I certainly THINK I KNOW THIS.
Fauci’s announced retirement at the end of the Biden administration notwithstanding, I suspect that he will exit SOONER – particularly in the event of Republican control of the House. This will have the effect of thwarting public revelation of facts which would lead irrevocably to the realization of what I am certain actually happened – that a shot which damages the hearts of ALMOST ALL RECIPIENTS AFTER REPEATED INJECTION was advanced KNOWINGLY.
I find it interesting that science is now catching up to the plot, and results which should have been obvious earlier, if things were actually innocent, are NOW becoming obvious to scientists who are innocent enough to publish.
Consider the NUMBERS in this very recent Thai study. My comments on Gab, wrapped around comments by Steve Kirsch, who sees the same evidence, but seems to be keeping any recognition of the plot quiet for now. AND YET HE TAUNTS THEM.
What was that they were saying, that had no effect on Republican scientists, but might actually troll up some Democrat scientists to “action”?
“There’s no time.”
Likewise – at the top – people who are intellectually unable to question science from a standpoint of common sense and moral solidity, can easily get out over their skis, when urged by others who they trust. I think I know that Andrew Cuomo is one of them.
I don’t ACTUALLY know who had prior knowledge of the “left-virtuous plan”, but I am gaining pieces of the puzzle every day. Millions of actions which appear to be mistakes, take shape when we consider that thousands of those actions, committed by a small but core cadre of “knowing” participants, created virtue signals that drove the vast remainder of DUPES to participate in a massive folly.
And what is that folly?
Deploying the MOST ADVERSE VACCINE IN HUMAN HISTORY – while simultaneously REFUSING TO EXAMINE OR ADMIT the evidence of its adversity. The actions of the whole PROTECTED THE ADVERSITY.
And remember – that ratio – scientifically studied by the CIA – makes all sorts of things possible.
Motivations in real conspiracies are always complex, interlocking, apparently contradictory, and tend to “shift and flip” in going down from the most knowing top to the less knowing bottom – yet each layer knows the guilt of their own interests and participation. This form of guilty self-motivation locks people – including mostly innocent people – into defending the whole construct.
I do not actually know who the core cadre is, but I’m working on it.
Your suspicions as to WHO THEY ARE – are welcome.
We are an investigatory collective. We are free to postulate – to hypothesize – to be both scientists and detectives.
I know what I think. I ACTUALLY KNOW what I think I know.
Are you ready for ROUND TWO? Here comes a gaypox (monkeypox) vaccine that causes cardiac damage in 1% of smallpox-unvaccinated normies, and in 2% of oldsters and military who were vaccinated for smallpox.
Moonshine Spots The Scam
We continue our series on The Population Control Shot with a discussion of the next installment in this saga – “monkeypox” vaccines.
As soon as the Biden regime declaredmonkeypox (sorry, that’s rayciss) sodompox to be a national health emergency, I knew that Political Moonshine had been proven correct. As he had predicted, lightintheloaferspox was the next SCAM that the Democrats were going to pull on America and the world.
We await homopox’s unavoidable new christening, just like when Wuhan coronavirus was renamed COVID-19.
Here is a great review of the Political Moonshine catalog of work on poofterpox.
If you have not caught up with Moonshine on either swishpox or the medical enterprise fraud model, then I highly recommend reading the above article.
The bottom line is that the medical system is now a fraud machine – the “scam disease du jour” doesn’t matter – they just buttplug one in and make coin on it.
I completely trust Moonshine on this stuff now. His work on COVID-19 scamming was brilliant. He called bladepox as their next scam, and based on the “declared emergency”, he got it right.
This vaccine is used to help prevent smallpox and monkeypox diseases in adults.
Like any vaccine, the smallpox and monkeypox vaccine may not provide protection from disease in every person.
Yeah, we know that. But it appears to work “most of the time”, and its licensed (fully) and thus “safe”, right?
Well, maybe. The listed side effects that you should have to worry about, so they say, is the usual with any injected drug. It doesn’t sound all that bad; pain where you got the shot, headache, nausea, chills, etc. Ok.
Cardiac AESIs were reported to occur in 1.3% (95/7,093) of Jynneos recipients and 0.2% (3/1,206) of placebo recipients who were smallpox vaccine-naïve. Cardiac AESIs were reported to occur in 2.1% (16/766) of Jynneos recipients who were smallpox vaccine-experienced. The higher proportion of Jynneos recipients who experienced cardiac AESIs was driven by 28 cases of asymptomatic post-vaccination elevation of troponin-I in two studies: Study 5, which enrolled 482 HIV-infected subjects and 97 healthy subjects, and Study 6, which enrolled 350 subjects with atopic dermatitis and 282 healthy subjects.
In other words in apples-to-apples it was six times more likely, for one percent total risk, that you’d have a cardiac reaction. Troponin elevation of more than 2x the upper normal limit indicates heart muscle damage.
There is no such thing as “benign” heart muscle damage. The heart does not regenerate and as such damage to the heart muscle is always considered permanent.
Now how severe the damage is may be another matter, but again — there appears to be a 1% absolute risk with this injection that you will suffer heart damage of some material and OBJECTIVE degree.
One in a hundred people who take this injection, statistically-speaking, will have this happen. That is not a small risk!
In my new world, having not only heard Moonshine and Karl, but having “seen what cannot be unseen” regarding population control scamming, it was impossible for me to not see WHY monkeypox sodompox is “the next thing” that these assholes are going to use.
So I said to myself……
OK, I get it. I’m starting to see how this is working. The “depopulation” stuff is THREE tracks – CARDIOVASCULAR for direct killing, IMMUNODISRUPTIVE for long-term killing by other causes, and ABORTIFACIENT + MENSTRUAL DYSREGULATING for fertility control. Look for these jokers to try to “pile on” to any of those three effects with their various drugs and other “fixes” for COVID. And now including the monkeypox vaccine.
You see – I’m a bit prejudiced here.
Having had “wolficarditis” – most likely due to one of my two cases of COVID – I’m not in the mood for some vaccine to start sending any NEW bad vibes into my cardiac test values, which thank goodness have returned to normal.
So NO WAY.
Well, you say – what about the OTHER smallpox vaccine that they’re talking about using for sodompox.
Remember how the FDA advisory committee did NOT recommend boosters for the COVID shots, but was OVERRIDDEN by that minion of Fauci, the lovely Rochelle Walensky Alinsky?
There was another, later vaccine push where Walensky didn’t even convene the advisory group, to make sure the vaccines would slide by.
Well, guess what. This tactic of ignoring advisory committees for “politicized medicine” works perfectly well for sodompox, too!
It comes after officials in New York, Illinois, California, some cities, and the World Health Organization declared respective emergencies for monkeypox.The head of WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, reportedly overruled an expert advisory committee to make the declaration on July 24, while the U.N. agency confirmed the virus is in about 70 countries outside of Africa.
Yeah, that China-boy Tedros is good for whatever keep Democrats in power.
It’s worth reading that link – you will see that Ron DeSantis refused to make a similar declaration.
But Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said he will resist declaring an emergency for monkeypox, asserting that such policies—like the mandates and lockdowns around COVID-19—are designed to create a climate of fear. It’s not clear if any other Republican governors will follow his lead.
“I’m so sick of politicians—and we saw this with COVID—trying to sow fear into the population,” DeSantis said during a news conference Wednesday. “We are not doing fear,” he added.
“You see some of these states declaring states of emergency, they’re gonna abuse those powers to restrict your freedom,” DeSantis said about new rules around monkeypox. “I guarantee to you that’s what will happen.”
The Bottom Line
I’m sorry – I refuse to show some gay butt for my joke, so you have to see some chick ass with a fake syringe (it’s OK, Coothie – no real butts were pierced in the making of this silly photo!)
Sodompox is gonna be the big deal – or maybe it’s the fake big deal until some kind of BIG LIE gets layered on top of it.
But no matter what – think LONG AND HARD about taking any new vaccines. Including any possible new Moderna mRNA vaccine (hat tip RDS), since that company is considering the possibility of making one. If anybody can improve on 1-2% cardiac damage, it’s those folks!
I urge you to click that link (ABC News Go), because it will give you a brief exposure to the MSM, which is CLEARLY trying to gin up EXCITEMENT about the monkeypox vaccine, of which there is “not enough to meet demand!!!”, etc., etc., etc.
Yeah.
We are here and it is now. Further than that, all American science is now moonshine out of Washington.
W
“OK, explain once more how a disease which almost exclusively affects buffarino-lovin’ gay boys, who already have AIDS, has become a national emergency. I mean, is Fauci simply turning an AIDS treatment crisis into an ‘opportunity’ to inject everybody again?”
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For many of you, I can safely predict that this does NOT feel like “good news” to you. For others, it does feel like good news, but perhaps YOU are dreading being positive about vaccines in a movement which is largely skeptical of them.
MY MISSION is to make you ALL welcome this news, because you will FEAR NO TRUTHS.
To do this, I’m going to take you on a LONG JOURNEY to answer one question – Is Wolf going to take THIS VACCINE if it makes it to production?
Are you ready to go? Here is your first BRAVERY KICK. Repeat after me…..
“I shall FEAR NO TRUTHS!”
Are you ready to go? GOOD!
The first thing I noticed is that Seb Gorka – Q DENIER – is using the same GENERIC COVID-19 VACCINE IMAGE that measly Q blogger Wolf Moon uses all the time.
I downloaded this sucker back in APRIL, and used the original web URL in a lot of comments.
JUST SAYIN’. Gorka ain’t GOD. He’s just a small human in MAGA, just like the rest of us. He has to scrape images just like the rest of us.
Feel that FEAR slipping away?
GOOD.
Now – remember – POTUS is ALL-IN on developing a vaccine – and QUICKLY.
JUST SAYIN’.
Don’t fear it. UNDERSTAND IT.
"As one family, we mourn every precious life that's been lost. I pledge in their honor that we will develop a vaccine, and we will defeat the virus." pic.twitter.com/OZJWhL9A9t
— The White House 45 Archived (@WhiteHouse45) July 21, 2020
By the time we are done here, you will be able to OPINE SMARTLY about what POTUS is doing here, no matter what your personal view of vaccines – either for yourself or for others.
Let’s look more deeply at Seb Gorka’s article:
BREAKING NEWS: U.S. Secures 100 Million Doses of Coronavirus Vaccine from Pfizer
The United States government has secured a $2 billion deal for 100 million doses of a promising experimental Coronavirus vaccine being developed by the U.S.-based pharmaceutical company Pfizer and the German company BioNTech.
The two companies, which are producing the vaccine together, said that the doses will be provided to America if they prove “safe and effective in humans.” The Department of Health and Human Services confirmed that as a result of the government’s purchase, the vaccines would come at “no cost” to Americans seeking the vaccine once it’s available.
This is the latest vaccine candidate to be secured for the United States as a result of President Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed,” aimed at expediting the possible cure and eventual eradication of the Chinese virus. Other companies developing possible vaccines that have been enlisted by the government include Novavax, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Emergent Biosolutions.
Here are the KEY POINTS you want to remember as we DIG DEEPER…..
deal is for enough doses to use (at least in the short-term) on PART of American populace – NOT ALL – although eventually there will be more than enough (see below)
it’s considered promising according to the TRUMP administration
vaccine is by US and German companies – NOT a Chinese vaccine
the US company is Pfizer – a key identifier along with BioNTech
conditioned on the vaccine being safe and effective IN HUMANS
part of Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed”
goal is CURE and EVENTUAL ERADICATION
staying on message – it’s the CHINESE virus
OTHER vaccines and makers have been enlisted by the government
Novavax
Johnson & Johnson
Moderna
AstraZeneca
Emergent Biosolutions
You will note that there is a LINK – and basically what we have here is RE-REPORTING of CNBC.
Under the agreement, the U.S. will get 100 million doses of the vaccine, if it works, and can acquire 500 million additional doses if needed.
German biotech firm BioNTech and U.S.-based Pfizer are jointly developing the vaccine.
HHS said Americans won’t have to pay for it.
Now – here are MY additional key points:
Pfizer and BioNTech are actually running FOUR different vaccines – any of them that wins may be the one that “succeeds” in this deal
A 30K participant trial of the/a Pfizer vaccine is expected to begin later this month (July 2020)
The most advanced candidate is called BNT162b1
Candidate BNT162b1 has been demonstrated to produce neutralizing antibodies in clinical trials
The article EXPLAINS the logic behind the Trump-Pence (Pence is my addition here) “Operation Warp Speed“
multiple companies pushed to increase the odds of a WINNER, SOONER
goal is ENOUGH VACCINE FOR ALL AMERICANS [not saying mandatory – just saying]
logistics assumes success and builds supply chains and SCALE while researching
note that this is kinda how the Manhattan Project worked
this is just the latest vaccine effort to get a federal green light
Novavax vaccine was similarly green-lighted at 1.6 billion dollars
Johnson & Johnson green-lighted at 0.456 billon
Moderna green-lighted at 0.486 billion
Astra-Zeneca / Oxford green-lighted at 1.2 billion
Emergent Biosolutions green-lighted at 0.628 billion
The explanation of “Operation Warp Speed” is useful, so you don’t have to be AFRAID of talking about it and being mocked by Democrats, should you use the somewhat corny name. It’s like many of Trump’s simple but extremely sound ideas. The names are almost like gatekeepers that turn away mockers, reflexive haters, and other people of “bad faith”, but those of good faith are invited in to get in early on the winning team.
Yeah, I smell PENCE all over that. A genius hire, to do exactly this strategy.
Here is Azar talking:
“This is what’s really unprecedented with President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed. We are literally making the commercial scale vaccine now as we’re going through the clinical trial,” Azar told CNBC. “We’re doing that at risk, using the full power of the U.S. government and our financial resources to do that. No one’s ever done this before.”
Vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and others have been ramping up manufacturing capacity before their vaccine’s have been proven to be safe and effective and before receiving regulatory approval. That will help shave months off the time it takes to ultimately distribute a vaccine across the globe.
“We’ve been committed to making the impossible possible by working tirelessly to develop and produce in record time a safe and effective vaccine to help bring an end to this global health crisis,” Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, said in a statement. “We made the early decision to begin clinical work and large-scale manufacturing at our own risk to ensure that product would be available immediately if our clinical trials prove successful and an Emergency Use Authorization is granted.”
Developing a safe and effective vaccine is seen as crucial to curbing the spread of the coronavirus, which has infected more than 14.9 million people around the world and killed at least 617,200 people, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
While the companies and government race to deliver a successful vaccine, regulators and company officials have assured the public and members of Congress that they will not sacrifice on safety. All that’s at risk, they say, is money.
A very interesting concept – risk the money on any failed vaccines as far as premature commercialization, but END the “threat” sooner and win big on rebounding the ECONOMY.
THAT RIGHT THERE sounds like classic Trumpian “manage the downside to win” thinking.
NOW – let’s dig DEEPER STILL.
Why is Trump throwing the BIGGEST CHUNK OF CASH YET at this particular vaccine?
In my opinion, it is because this vaccine is showing itself to be SAFE AND EFFECTIVE already, despite being one of the “newer” technologies.
To see this, we need to go to a couple of LINKS in the last article.
First, some prior recent reporting by CNBC – clearly enough time (3 weeks) for the $2B to show up.
Pfizer shares jumped after it released positive results from its closely watched early stage human trial on a coronavirus vaccine.
The trial evaluated 45 people. Each participant received 10, 30 or 100 microgram doses of the vaccine or a placebo.
Pfizer said the vaccine was generally well tolerated, though the experimental vaccine also caused fever in some patients, especially for those who were in the 100 microgram group.
Here are my added key points:
ONE of the four candidates produced neutralizing antibodies. YES. Just one of them.
levels of neutralizing antibodies were 1.8 to 2.8 times higher than in recovered COVID-19 patients
after 28 days, all participants at the lower (and safer) 10 and 30 microgram dosages had significant levels of binding antibodies
all four candidates are based on mRNA technology
reactions to the vaccine were milder than, e.g., the Moderna vaccine (*my* reading)
reactions were primarily FEVER and injection site pain, with fever being more common in the 100 microgram group
MOST patients reported injection site pain, mild to moderate, but it was SEVERE in one case at 100 micrograms
looks to me that they will shoot for 10 or 30 micrograms, depending upon durability of immunity granted by those doses
100 million doses could be ready by the end of 2020
1.2 BILLION doses could be ready by the end of 2021
Next, we follow two PRESS RELEASES from Pfizer and BioNTech:
The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine development program is evaluating at least four experimental vaccines, each of which represents a unique combination of messenger RNA (mRNA) format and target antigen. On July 1st, Pfizer and BioNTech announced preliminary data from BNT162b1, the most advanced of the four mRNA formulations. The early data demonstrates that BNT162b1 is able to produce neutralizing antibodies in humans at or above the levels observed in the plasma from patients who have recovered from COVID-19, and this was shown at relatively low dose levels. Local reactions and systemic events were dose-dependent, generally mild to moderate, and transient. No serious adverse events were reported. On July 20th, the companies announced early positive update from German Phase 1/2 COVID-19 vaccine study, including first T Cell response data.
SO – we have an mRNA vaccine which appears to be – compared to other vaccines we’ve been hearing about – relatively safe and effective. NO SERIOUS ADVERSE EVENTS.
But YES – this vaccine is the NEW and somewhat unproven DNA/RNA vaccine tech.
So how do we JUDGE IT?
In my opinion, we first need to take a look at ALL the leading COVID-19 vaccines.
Vaccine Horse Race
The horrible China-Puppet WHO does have one redeeming feature – BUREAUCRATS KEEPING TRACK OF THINGS.
This URL is always a good place to go, to see where vaccines stand. Yeah, China and Bill Gates probably get to track the downloads, and maybe even infect the PDF file, but whatever.
That’s what I’m here for – to turn that nasty PDF into nice, safe, images.
Let’s look at the FIRST TWO PAGES of the document they produce, keeping track of COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
What can we GLEAN from this stuff?
We can’t FULLY understand this yet, but we WILL in a few minutes. For now, we can mostly understand the THIRD COLUMN – who is behind which particular vaccine.
The vaccines are ORDERED in terms of how advanced the RESEARCH is – in particular, how far along the CLINICAL TRIALS are. The TOP TWO DOZEN entries (#1 to #24) are all the vaccines in CLINICAL TRIALS. #1 is the most advanced – which right now means PHASE 3 trials. The least advanced (#24) will only be in initial PHASE 1 trials.
So GUESS WHO IS AT THE TOP? (Look in the 3rd column for the developer…)
CHYYYNNAA!
Yeah, boy howdy, that sure is a surprise! The top three entries are all CHINA!
*eyeroll*
Then, number FOUR is the Astra-Zeneca / Oxford vaccine.
Then, numbers FIVE and SIX are CHYYYNNAA again!!! Think of that – the top 6 vaccines in terms of advancement, and CHYYYNNAA has FIVE of them. I guess that’s what happens when YOU RELEASE THE VIRUS.
SICK.
The next two are Western – Moderna and Inovio. Both of these have gotten a lot of press, not all of it good.
Moderna (#7) made the news b/c it came out with glowing statements about trials, but the fine print uncovered in the next few days was lots of serious side effects. What followed was a journalist pile-on, with lots of talk that Moderna has no experience, is stiff-arming the feds on safety, and is hyping more than fixing stuff. Very “Obama”.
Inovio (#8) is a DNA vaccine, similar to the mRNA vaccines. Look in the FIRST COLUMN under “Platform” to see the type. You don’t have to understand the platform quite yet. The Inovio vaccine was one of the first COVID-19 vaccines to get a lot of public attention, and is backed by Bill Gates and CEPI, as are MANY of the others. Gates is behind most of the horses in the race, so that he CANNOT LOSE.
Ask WHY.
Numbers 9, 10 and 11 are also DNA vaccines, with #9 being a Japanese effort.
Then come two more standard vaccines, Indian (#12) and Chinese (#13), leading off on the SECOND image / second page above.
Finally, at #14, we get to Novavax, which is the vaccine I like for myself, provided that it’s ever proven safe and effective (and useful) in people who’ve already had the disease. WHY I like it for ME, however, requires some explanation, but not yet – let’s keep looking at the list.
Skip over #15, the Turtlehead vaccine (made you curious, didn’t I?), which is also a vaccine that I am PERSONALLY potentially favorable toward. Seriously, it’s just a KY company (Kentucky Bioprocessing), and KY is in USA. But it is also a technology I favor as likely to be SAFE.
FINALLY, at #16, we get to the Pfizer vaccine. This is the one in question. Am I going to take it?
Not going to answer that yet!
Of the remaining entries, I’m liking FOR MYSELF numbers 18, 19, and 20, which include the GSK effort (#18) and the University of Queensland vaccine (#20), both in the news occasionally.
Of the last 4 entries, 21-24, thereby rounding out the TWO DOZEN vaccines in CLINICAL TRIALS, #21 is the Imperial College vaccine often in the news, and #23 is the CHINESE ARMY (PLA) entry – an mRNA vaccine, which IMO is likely to be STOLEN TECH.
So – HOW DO WE JUDGE?
WELL – before we can really judge, it helps if we understand certain basics of vaccines.
Let me provide you with something VERY AWESOME that I found online.
Vaccine Evolution
Vaccines, like everything else in Creation, are EVOLVING INTELLIGENTLY.
We just have to make sure that they’re EVOLVING HONESTLY.
That’s where it gets tricky. But first, we have to understand the basics of how vaccines WORK – hopefully WITH the immune system, INTELLIGENTLY AND HONESTLY.
Vaccines as we now know them are designed to trigger the immune system into THINKING we have a disease, when we don’t really have it, so that when we would otherwise get the disease, we are already prepared for it, and fight it off. This is a very smart idea which has TRACKED human civilization.
Smallpox is the disease which taught us about vaccination. Before the term “vaccination” was generalized to its current state of “inducing immunity to a disease by prior and safer activation the immune system”, “vaccination” meant inoculation (intentional INFECTION) with cowpox or a relative, as a DEFENSE against smallpox. Vaccination was EXCLUSIVELY a smallpox therapy. Very interestingly, the OLDER, more dangerous practice of infection with heat-and-time-weakened smallpox virus was KNOWN by empirical observation, and dated back to at least the Middle Ages in China. That practice was called “variolation”.
Thus, cowpox cross-immunity to protect against smallpox was a LUCKY BREAK. Most diseases don’t HAVE a nearly harmless cowpox version of “whatever” to protect you from real “whatever”.
Thus, what “vaccines” are doing NOW is much more akin to the OLDER and MORE DANGEROUS practice of variolation – a form of inoculation – intentional infection with the very “something” you are afraid of – preferably something which has been tinkered with in some way so that it no longer kills you.
Inoculation is POWERFUL because it’s more generalizable, but it’s RISKY because it makes US responsible for SAFETY.
You know – if we were more honest, we’d call vaccines something else, like “variolines”, or maybe “inoculums”, or – OH YEAH – inoculations.
I know this is actually very simple, but I want to CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE on “vaccines”.
I want you to be not just INFORMED, which can be DISINFORMED, but to have real and deep UNDERSTANDING, which CANNOT be disinformed as easily.
Read the last three sentences of the above Wikipedia entry for “Variolation” to understand “what cannot be said in science” right now.
The method is no longer used today. It was replaced by smallpox vaccine, a safer alternative. This in turn led to the development of the many vaccines now available against other diseases.
See the trick? It’s a kind of “circle of changed meanings”, so beloved by lying Democrats. The potentially dangerous and generally iffy WOLF/SHEEPDOG of “inoculation” borrowed the sheepskin of the “safer alternative” vaccination to claim false but reassuring safety for what is really the tricky business that could be called “generalized variolation”.
We got LUCKY on smallpox, and now pretend that the same luck-magic can be extended to all diseases. HA! GET REAL, SCIENCE.
The reality is that the term “vaccines” is historical euphemism.
Read the history of smallpox to GROUND YOURSELF in REALITY.
Well, vaccines are now a much BROADER science. They are, basically, “tinkering with the immune system to do stuff” – and that includes STERILIZING PEOPLE by induction of auto-immune attack on their reproductive platform. One person’s nasty side effect is another person’s depopulationist panacea.
Have you ever considered WHY we’re not supposed to think about vaccine side-effects? It’s because “SIDE” depends upon your perspective.
“WHAT WE DO NOT EVEN THINK POSSIBLE, WE CANNOT SUSPECT.”
Yes, THAT is how big vaccines are, now. We can actually immunize people against PARENTHOOD.
SO – if you don’t understand vaccines, you are at the mercy of those who do. Be GLAD that the Hitler regime didn’t have sterilization vaccines.
Be CONCERNED that the CHINAZIS have them RIGHT NOW. They could sterilize ALL of the Uighurs and just move the HAN SUPREMACISTS right in.
Y’all see what I’m sayin’?
Why, with all the Uighur men gone, they could be sterilizing all the women – or all the men – right now – with just a SHOT OR TWO. Wait a minute. Somebody reported “medical experimentation” in those Uighur reeducation camps. Hmmmmmmm.
But let’s leave THAT for another time. My point is this – vaccines are a very BROAD topic. For now, let’s stick to “current ways to potentially fight coronaviruses by prior immunization”.
In that regard, I recently found a wonderful blog post which explains the different TYPES of vaccines being considered for COVID-19. This is an excellent article.
Classic and new technologies vying to be the first COVID-19 vaccine
Jeffrey Smoot Information Scientist, CAS Posted June 11, 2020
I could not have put together such a GREAT and SHORT summary of the different vaccine techs if I had spent years doing it.
PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE LINKED ABOVE! It’s actually a VERY fast read!
Now let’s look at the critical TABLE 1, which I’m quoting “vertically” and editorializing somewhat, based on a “monster” metaphor.
The table entries are unmolested. The entry titles reflect – somewhat humorously – my relative levels of trust/distrust of the technologies involved, and their state of readiness for “prime time” – expressed as effectiveness against “theoretical” pathogens.
Table 1. Vaccine Classification
Header Definitions (How to Read Table)
Type — What basic kind of vaccine
Active Component — may be abbreviation or acronym – GOOGLE IT!!!
Advantage — why you might trust this platform
Disadvantage — why you might NOT trust this platform
Vaccine Example — actual uses in existing vaccines you may or may not like
Bitten By Chocula
Type — Live, attenuated
Active Component — Pathogen capable of replication
Advantage — Strong and long-lasting immune response, usually lifetime protection
Disadvantage — Risk of disease
Vaccine Example — Tuberculosis, MMR, smallpox, chickenpox, yellow fever
Carry A Wooden Stake
Type — Inactivated (or killed)
Active Component — Pathogen chemical or heat treated to prevent replication
Advantage — No risk of disease
Disadvantage — Lesser immune response; booster shots may be needed
Vaccine Example — Flu, hepatitis A, polio, rabies
Silver Bullets
Type — Subunit (protein, polysaccharide, conjugate, toxoid)
Disadvantage — [none mentioned – surely there are some – W]
Vaccine Example — Hepatitis B, cervical cancer, malaria
Bitten By Frankenberry
Type — Recombinant vector vaccine
Active Component — Non-pathogenic virus or bacteria as carrier of immunogen of interest
Advantage — Reusable for diverse antigens; no risk of disease
Disadvantage — Pre-existing or development of immunity to vector
Vaccine Example — No approved vaccine available
Chocula Goes Back In Time And Marries Your Mom
Type — DNA vaccine
Active Component — Plasmid or other expression vector
Advantage — Fast to produce; no risk of disease; reusable technology
Disadvantage — Lack of data
Vaccine Example — Veterinary medicine (canine melanoma, infectious hematopoietic necrosis virus of fish, equine West Nile virus)
Chocula Commits Identity Theft On Your Mom
Type — mRNA vaccine
Active Component — RNA that encodes a disease-specific pathogen protein
Advantage — Fast to produce; no risk of disease; reusable technology
Disadvantage — Effectiveness and side effects are unknown
Vaccine Example — No approved vaccine available
This is a great chart because it orders things from “oldest” to newest in terms of general technology.
First live virus (weakened smallpox, cowpox, vaccinia), then dead virus, then specific fragments, then fake Frankenstein live virus, and finally the new fake “like a virus” DNA and RNA mucking around science.
READ THE LINK – each type is explained.
Let me review the different PLATFORMS (column 1) in the pages of the WHO document. These correspond to most of the types in the linked blog post.
Inactivated
Non-Replicating Viral Vector
Protein Subunit
RNA
DNA
VLP
These methods can basically be broken into two different sets of two categories each:
OLD-SCHOOL versus NEW-SCHOOL
IMMUNOGEN versus INSTRUCTIONS
Old-school methods are “old biology” – no recombinants, no gene sequencing, no plasmids, no fancy tricks.
New-school methods use our advanced knowledge of biochemistry to MAKE STUFF at the molecular and biochemical level, either before injection or after injection.
Immunogen methods inject the stuff that triggers the immune reaction.
Instruction methods inject DNA or RNA – pretty much like a VIRUS does – maybe even USING a virus, or an artificial virus-like construct – to get those instructions into your cells.
So now let me apply those labels to the platforms, including one that’s missing (live /attenuated).
Live / Attenuated – OLD-SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
Inactivated – OLD-SCHOOL IMMUNOGEN
Non-Replicating Viral Vector – NEW SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
Protein Subunit – NEW-SCHOOL IMMUNOGEN
RNA – NEW-SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
DNA – NEW-SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
VLP – NEW-SCHOOL IMMUNOGEN
You see? There’s actually a lot of choice.
So – what should you trust?
THAT is for you to decide. I can only tell you what *I* trust. And WHY.
Vaccine Conservatism
I am generally – PERSONALLY – favorable toward vaccines, despite being 100% opposed to mandatory vaccinations. Vaccines ave always been good for me. Even the occasional minor aggravation of very mild arthritis in my injection shoulder is not really enough of a negative for me to skip the flu shot.
Nevertheless, I am careful to note that vaccines give me just as many and just as strong minor, negative side effects as any drug – and MOST drugs have minor side-effects that I can observe and report.
The new shingles vaccine, in my case, had stronger side effects than almost ANY drug I had ever taken. Nevertheless, a BARGAIN next to the HORROR OF SHINGLES.
So I’m no fool – vaccines are REAL medicine – with real side effects. AND – if you’ve gotten the new shingles vaccine, then you know that vaccines are getting STRONGER so they can work STRONGER and LONGER.
HOWEVER…..
The entire CHINA VIRUS psy-op and election interference program has done nothing to make me any less suspicious of vaccines. Indeed, it has made me MORE suspicious, if not an actual skeptic. Too many agendas. Too many lies. Too many “whoops”. Too many cute abuses of science. Too many media hit jobs. Too much Bill Gates near any and all of the above.
And CHYYYNNAA through and through the whole nasty affair. China, the home of CCP ChiNazis who love to BLAME THE VICTIM.
And which CHINAZIS could easily be STERILIZING UIGHURS with STOLEN GSK vaccine technology RIGHT NOW.
Suspicious? HELL YES!
On the bright side, I would not have been made aware of mankind’s current capabilities for eugenocide, had I not been “awakened” on vaccines, so I consider my new suspicions a stroke of good luck for any and all groups which HAVE BEEN, ARE BEING, or WILL EVER BE slated for GENOCIDE.
Uighurs! WATCH YOUR SIX!!!
One of the reasons Epstein was schmoozing all the big brains in science was – I am convinced – keeping track of the infinite bad possibilities that led to “Never Again”. SO *** DING DING DING *** I sure hope THAT particular baby didn’t get thrown out with the dirty pedophile’s bathwater. How the “this time we won’t fail” time-bomb of sterilization vaccines could have proceeded to where it is without being disarmed tells me somebody was fooling somebody. TSK-TSK. Shame on EVERYBODY.
ANYWAY – back to topic.
I think you could call me a VACCINE CONSERVATIVE.
I am not necessarily averse to any class of vaccine as I categorize them, or as others categorize them. I could take a new-school vaccine. I could take an old-school vaccine. I might take ANY of them, including the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, provided the following:
vaccine has been found safe and effective to TRUMP’S satisfaction
vaccine has been TESTED and found safe and effective for people who have already had either COVID-19 or any other weak coronavirus
vanishingly small number of cases of super-serious side effects
basic technology has no critical theoretical weaknesses
proven to NOT result in immune enhancement phenomenon
basic technology must show LIFETIME SAFETY in individuals and their children, or be able to rule out dangers – INCLUDING STERILITY in both generations – to my satisfaction
The LAST requirement is the one which, right now, makes several of the “new-school” technologies very likely NO-GO ZONES for THE WOLF. Much SHADE is thus cast on DNA, RNA, and viral vector types.
And as for the Pfizer vaccine (mRNA), I am much likelier to pick a DIFFERENT vaccine, particularly a NEW-SCHOOL recombinant protein subunit, neo-classical vaccine – much like the shingles vaccine I just took. Novavax is one of those vaccines. If it can be proven NOT to produce immune enhancement, AND it can be proven to be safe for symptomatic COVID-19 recoverees with lung damage, then I’m very likely to take it.
DNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines, and adenovirus vectors are ALL too new and unproven for me to trust. Some of these – maybe all of them – are relying on retreaded edge tech from earlier gene therapy failures.
These platforms MIGHT NOT cause cancer 50 years down the road, or cause sterility, or cause disease in CHILDREN of recipients. But the fact is simple – WE DON’T KNOW YET.
Now – if I was 70 years old, I would probably take the very first safe and effective DNA or mRNA vaccine to come to market, not expecting to live to 120, or to have any more kids. But that’s not the case. I’d love a few more decades. If I had a choice – AND I DO HAVE ONE – I’d prefer a more time-trusted technology like protein subunits. Most of all, I would trust a vaccine that got green-lighted by Dr. Peter Hotez of Baylor University, an expert on immune enhancement in coronaviruses.
Adenovirus vectors? They already have “issues” of several kinds, including recipients either having or developing immunity to the platform itself. Perhaps not insurmountable, but there are other problems. For instance, we know that viruses have LIFELONG SIDE-EFFECTS. We’ve had decades to discover most of the important natural ones. AND – very disturbingly – we have a government health bureaucracy prominently led for years by a guy (Fauci) who not only forgot about HCQ and chloroquine – very economically conveniently for his vaccine and new therapeutic interests – he figured that the best way to deal with the inconvenient class of “slow, obscure, cancer-causing viruses” was to KICK THE PRIMARY RESEARCHER OF THEM OUT OF NIH.
Sorry – I would like to try these fascinating but risky modern vaccine platforms AFTER they have been checked and re-checked by a POST-FAUCI NIH/CDC/ETC.
And that doesn’t even begin to address this very important question. WHO IS MONITORING VACCINES to make sure that nobody is sneaking in sterility vaccine components? Components that were likely ALREADY TESTED IN AFRICA?
Is the Catholic Church even AWARE of the danger? WHERE is Pope Epstein-Guevara on this one? WITH the depopulationists? Happy to see humanity sterilized by the United Nations, as long as the “grave danger” of climate change is badly addressed?
Sorry. I’m not ready for any “mandatory” vaccine. Just on principle.
SO – you have a lot of choices in future COVID-19 vaccines, ranging from “none” to “any”.
I’m not going to tell you what to think or do.
But I hope that by addressing this issue for myself, I’ve given you some things to think about – so that your chosen position on vaccines will not merely be INFORMED, but FILLED WITH UNDERSTANDING.
And with that, I bid you GOOD HEALTH!
W
Remember when we could trust vaccines? We’re ONE election from heading back there.
Perhaps you recall my PREVIOUS correspondence and “review” of the new, two-shot shingles vaccine, Shingrix – or more specifically, my review of the FIRST SHOT.
Hey, it’s not every day that I get to post something that’s not only about the unspeakable issue of vaccines, but is both PRO-VAX and ANTI-VAX at the same time. I mean, what’s the use of FREE SPEECH if we can’t use it to troll EVERYBODY – including PENCILNECK? Whoops – WRONG PENCILNECK. Let’s try …
Well, I’m BACK to report my experience with the SECOND SHOT.
This was all something of a surprise.
I had FINALLY – in LATE JUNE – gotten to see a doctor [IN PERSON] for COVID-19 aftermath. This was LONG AFTER having gotten the disease in late January [LONG STORY] and THEN spending the first half of this year figuring out how to treat both the disease and the aftermath MYSELF [AND WITH YOU GOOD PEOPLE], mostly through internet rumors, discussions here, and self-experimentation by trial and error.
After all the discussion, the data gathering, the prescribing, the scheduling, and the blood-drawing, I was asked WHICH ARM for my vaccination.
“WHOA-OH!”
Yes, I had forgotten that it was only just in September of 2019 when I had been infected with the mythical disease of RETROSYNTHETIC DINOPOX – namely recombinant glycoproteins of Herpes zoster virus plus various adjuvants – which had knocked out my left arm like a line-drive baseball, and left me mildly sick for the better part of a week.
Was I ready for a REPLAY?
UGH.
Well, as I stated before, retrosynthetic dinopox is bad, but SHINGLES is far, far worse.
Yeah. Gimme the disease shot.
So – what has it been like? In a word…..
“SYSTEMIC”.
While I immediately noticed both soreness and swelling at the injection site, deep in the muscle of my triceps (back of the arm), most of the local effects were delayed.
Much like the FIRST shot, redness did not reach the surface for over 24 hours, and was not pronounced until about 36 hours.
In contrast, systemic effects were almost immediate. I could tell that something was happening while I was driving home. It was that uneasiness one feels at the beginning of the flu, or – COUGH, COVID-19x (more on “x” later). It’s somewhat non-descript, but unnerving – the unmistakable feeling of incipient illness.
Unsure of how significant these effects might be, I plotted a course which would take me close to both a hospital and an outpatient clinic, in case things got bad. Fortunately I got home without incident.
Once home, I was able to take it easy and observe things more carefully. I was feeling joint stiffness, dull and very diffuse headaches (more aptly labeled discomfort), and a kind of light tingling all over – a mild but very definite “electric shock” sensation. This sensation persisted for about a day, too.
Taking a brief nap, I noticed a dull ache in my kidneys some time after awakening. This was very reminiscent of what I had experienced with COVID-19x, as well as earlier [mild] episodes of kidney stones when I was not hydrating enough. I had treated both of these before with vitamin C and plenty of Gatorade and water – the same trick worked here.
By evening, I noticed that I was experiencing mild chills. These lasted almost all night, but they were gone by early morning. This is one of the more interesting parts of the experience. I don’t remember experiencing chills as part of the FIRST shot at all.
They weren’t terrible chills – no shaking – no chattering teeth. Just some goosebumps and a mild desire to put on a jacket in an admittedly cool summer.
I decided not to alter my normal regimen of vitamins and supplements. I had considered backing off on all minerals to ease the burden on my kidneys, but the truth is that I needed to treat the post-COVID endothelial damage to my kidneys more than I needed to go easy on them. This turned out to be correct – my kidney aches went away without reducing my mineral supplements in any way. Good hydration and vitamin C were all I needed.
The first night (or, TBH, morning) of sleep with round 2 of retrosynthetic dinopox was reasonable but not exactly pleasant. I eventually felt rested, but just barely.
My sleep was filled with recurring dreams of – as best as I can describe it – being medically strafed by small planes, the noise of which would shoot away a kind of weird ground cover grown by the vaccination and COVID-19. I won’t even get into the spiritual aspects of this, which involved American Indian converts to Christianity around the Revolutionary War. That’s a bit harder to explain.
These were not normal dreams. These were definitely “I’m coming down with something” dreams.
The next day, however, was much better. ALL symptoms were diminishing, except for redness at the site of the injection. I eventually has a “prophylactic Gatorade” before bed, but otherwise had a normal day, and even did some light yard work and heavy lifting.
Things were “on the mend” – at least SYSTEMICALLY.
Interesting, though, that by the SECOND night (36 hours), redness at the injection site had increased to the point where it was clearly visible. The total area of redness was as big as my whole hand and fingers. There was still localized swelling at the injection site.
Redness maximized by the THIRD night (60 hours). It diminished somewhat by the 4th night (84 hours), and was almost GONE by the 5th night (108 hours). I was back to “heavy work” earlier that day. At this point, I regarded the vaccination drama as OVER.
SO – the bottom line – FOR ME – is that the SECOND Shingrix injection was NOT AS BAD as the first.
Take that for what you will.
Thus, my final recommendation is the same as before. BE A SMART VACCINE SHOPPER. Listen, if you want, to what I have to say – apply it to your own case and beliefs if you so choose. You don’t have to do what I did – just know what I know, and consider whether my experiences have any bearing on yours.
And THAT is the way all reviews should be, IMO. We report. You decide.
Hey, it’s not every day that I get to post something that’s not only about the unspeakable issue of vaccines, but is both PRO-VAX and ANTI-VAX at the same time.
I mean, what’s the use of FREE SPEECH if we can’t use it to troll EVERYBODY – including PENCILNECK?
Whoops – WRONG PENCILNECK. Let’s try that again….
THERE we go. That’s “better”!
Schiffty don’t like what he calls “misinformation” about vaccines. Well, consider this an OPINION piece, kinda like a RESTAURANT REVIEW. You can’t “misinform” in an artistic review of “so bad they’re good” side effects. Particularly when the flavorful review is comin’ from a connoisseur of dark beers, overpowering “old man” colognes, shockingly compliment-getting retrograde fashions, and KICK-ASS IMMUNE RESPONSE.
Not to mention wife-appalling HAWAIIAN SHIRTS.
Yeah, think of this as a CRITICAL REVIEW of the Italian medical opera Vaccino Zoster Ricombinante Contro il Lupo. Which as you will see is not exactly Springtime for Shingles, but it gets the job done and has the POSERS and LIGHTWEIGHTS among the “appassionato di anticorpi” running for the DOORS.
“Immunity? You want IMMUNITY? You can’t HANDLE THE IMMUNITY!”
Yeah. And while that FAT LADY named Zoster Booster ain’t sung yet, the VIRAL TABLOID NEWS is running for the phones with the STORY OF THE CENTURY!
STAND BACK.
THIS TRAIN don’t carry no PENCIL.
I mean NONE.
Now,
you have to understand that I actually LIKE getting vaccinated.
I was in school when the POLIO vaccine came out, and mothers BEGGED to come to school to MAKE SURE their children got the vaccine. MOMS talked about polio all the time. And so did kids. We asked LOTS of questions:
Why do those weird canes look like that?
Why do they call it the March of Dimes?
Can you still breathe in a wheelchair if you get polio?
How bad is the iron lung?
Was the president who had polio ever in the iron lung?
Why doesn’t the vaccine help people who already got polio?
The first time I got vaccinated, I cried, like most of the kids. The second time, however, the nurse taught us that if we laughed before she stuck the needle in, it wouldn’t hurt enough to make us cry – and she was RIGHT. And while this wasn’t the FIRST psy-op taught to me, it would always remain one of the best and most useful.
We knew we had to get the vaccine. Nobody wanted to end up like the “cripples” – or “the handicapped” as one said in more polite company. They were everywhere. You could not go downtown – even in our small town – and not see them.
Some were from The War, or maybe Korea, but by the time they cured polio, there were more people disabled from polio – or at least it seemed that way.
My babysitter – or “sitter” “for short” – was born in the 1800s. She was old, but tough as leather, and sharp as a tack. Nowadays, she would be considered “remarkably spry”, but there were many tough old birds like her, back then. She could recite hundreds of Bible verses perfectly. She hadn’t just SEEN wagon wheels by the sides of barns like we did – she RODE in wagons – covered and uncovered – as her main mode of transportation – long after the first cars and trucks appeared. She had perfect memories of two Testaments, two World Wars, and every kid she ever “sat”.
Most of all, she had experienced almost every major communicable disease EXCEPT polio. She could tell you ALL ABOUT THEM. Everything you wanted to know. She may have been a nurse when she was younger – I don’t remember. She did indeed live a rather extraordinary life.
Her BIGGIE was SMALLPOX – and she had the scars to prove it. While not all smallpox scars look the same, hers appeared as big, roughly circular, dark brown spots on her arms, legs, hands, face, and neck. She had some on her body, too, that she swore were there, but never showed us.
Compared to many people with more “pock-like” smallpox scars, hers were not bad at all – really more like big moles or nevi, though not quite beauty spots, so she never saw fit to have them removed, even though such things had become possible by the 1960s.
She was PROUD of her scars, and GRATEFUL that God saw fit for her to live.
With such things not only known to all of us, but topics of casual discussion, the idea of not getting vaccinated was regarded not as some kind of option, but rather as a misfortune. As in, “Did you hear? Eleanor CAN’T get the vaccine – she’s allergic to it.” “Oh, no. I’m so sorry for her. Are they sure? Can’t they they come up with a different kind of vaccine for people like her?”
All of us got the smallpox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine would typically produce a big welt on your shoulder, which would then heal to a big scab and fall off, leaving a very typical SCAR. The vaccine scar was not nearly as bad as a smallpox scar. All the women and girls had the vaccination scar, except my sitter, who didn’t need it. Sometimes you had to look a bit to find the vaccination mark on a girl’s shoulder, but it was always there.
Here is a good link to learn more about smallpox and its cure by vaccination, as taught in the context of some Fake Entertainment television show about time travel.
And HERE is where we are introduced to the ideas behind Retrosynthetic DINOPOX.
THE IDEA OF AVOIDING SMALLPOX
by INOCULATION – basically “special, controlled, intentional infection” – using the smallpox virus ITSELF is called “variolation”. Although people didn’t know that it was a VIRUS, they knew that certain types of exposure to smallpox were “less deadly” than others. In fact, the rather horrifying idea of “sniffing powdered smallpox scabs” or “scratching fluids from a smallpox infection into the skin” reduced the mortality from upwards of 30% (the exact figure depends on who one asks, and at what time in history one is talking about) to only 2%. This was definitely practiced in China in the 10th and 16th centuries, and may have been practiced about 2000 years earlier in India.
The idea is that you will definitely get it, but it will be mild and you almost always won’t die, knock on wood.
Controlled exposure to the deadly contagion, so that one might live.
The next powerful advance, however, was not variolation but vaccination – so named because it used the much less dangerous COWPOX to give immunity to both cowpox and smallpox.
Finally, nowadays, when vaccination for smallpox is done, it uses not cowpox but the related vaccinia virus, which again gives immunity to both cowpox and smallpox as well.
So now let’s talk about SHINGLES and the SHINGLES VACCINE.
Shingles is basically what chickenpox looks like when it COMES BACK FROM DORMANCY later in life. And chickenpox is a bit LIKE smallpox, but it is really a different beast, which is not protected against by the smallpox vaccination. It’s a WHOLE ‘NUTHER POX – and MUCH less serious.
The chickepox vaccine was a replacement for what WE had as children – CHICKENPOX PARTIES – in which all the moms would make sure their kids GOT CHICKENPOX at a “good age”, when the disease was mild, the child old enough to understand English, and the outcome assured – a LIFELONG immunity against chickenpox. Not only that – the “recurrence disease” of “shingles” – which does NOT present AT ALL like chickenpox – was not common for those who actually HAD chickenpox, and not the vaccine.
Shingles is NOT a fun disease. I’ve had it once, and it tried to come back at least once. The treatment was the same in all cases – ANTIVIRAL drugs to lessen the severity of the disease and then beat it back – something that actually works rather nicely.
The first time I had shingles, in my early 50s, it struck one of the upper quadrants of my head. I thought that I would be permanently disabled. I could not even think during the periodic bouts of debilitating head pain – which was accompanied by a kind of overall sensory nervous dysfunction – something a bit like electrical shock. I literally began retirement preparations, knowing that I would be unable to function in an office environment any longer.
I was very lucky that the antiviral drugs kicked in quickly, lessening the severity enough to work from home, and eventually ending the bout with no permanent nerve damage. Had it not been for antiviral drugs, I would have had to go on disability, or retire early.
When shingles tried to come back, I knew the early warning signs – which for me are certain very characteristic lesions – and I got the drugs immediately. It was a smart move. The disease backed off right away. And although it never progressed that far again, I did get periodic “super-early signs”, which told me shingles was still lurking, waiting to strike again.
SO – you can imagine why I might want to consider the shingles vaccine, despite SO many reports of nasty side effects.
Shingles SUCKS for Wolf. A mildly sucky vaccine is MY COWPOX.
Only – it’s not. There IS no cowpox for shingles.
However, the NEW shingles vaccine – a very high-tech combination of FAKE VIRUS (recombinant surface glycoproteins of the Herpes Zoster virus, expressed in cell cultures) and IMMUNE RESPONSE PROVOCATEURS (meaning adjuvants) – is just as good, if not better.
A good description from a pharmacist’s viewpoint is here:
Like COWPOX, which offers lifetime immunity to SMALLPOX, but through a very mild ACTUAL disease exposure – DINOPOX is gonna make you a bit ill. HOWEVER, in my opinion, it’s a whole lot better than real shingles, and well worth the problems.
Note that dinosaurs can be bigger than cows and are theoretically related to chickens, which however have nothing to do with chickenpox. How the name “chickenpox” was attached to chickenpox is not entirely clear. So while Dinos being Retro to Chickens is TRUE but IRRELEVANT, the SYNTHETIC nature of the vaccine is both true AND relevant.
The surface glycoprotein – obtained through recombinant DNA technology – says “this is what to attack”. The TWO adjuvants – including a new and powerful tree bark substance, say “respond to this stuff DRAMATICALLY”.
What is VERY interesting, is that the symptoms of this “fake disease” caused by the “fake virus”, which gives one much better immunity than even SHINGLES ITSELF (think about that), are actually both a bit like chickenpox, and a bit like shingles, only MUCH, MUCH milder than either – IN MY CASE.
I am only talking about MY CASE. More on that later.
I experienced at first a dull, mild pain, then very minor swelling, and then creeping surface redness at the injection site, in my upper arm. The redness grew within a couple of days to about 4 inches in diameter. The redness – which was HOT TO THE TOUCH – was still visible, but slowly dissipating, after the better part of a week.
The injection area – my upper arm – looked and felt, quite frankly, like I had been hit with a line drive baseball – but without any initial pain or later bruising. There was no sharp pain like a bee or wasp sting, but there was a very persistent dull pain, much like that from blunt force trauma. It was somewhat itchy, but not unbearably. The redness resembled – well – chickenpox. It was kind of bright and lobster-like, and NOT terribly rash-like. People might call it a rash, but it was not like an allergic surface rash, which thypically includes both edema and inflammation.
I also got a couple of ACTUAL CHICKEN POX – one near the injection site, and one on a random place on my belly. The redness matched the injection site, and the pustules matched my memory of chickenpox.
The most interesting symptoms, however, were those that resembled my own prior case of SHINGLES. These included both a kind of general, mild, “electric shock” sensation, over my whole upper body and head, and a stronger, cranial upper-quadrant, “electric” neuralgia in the exact area where I had debilitating pain during my first case of shingles.
However – and this is important – I did NOT have the pain associated with shingles itself.
The characteristic lesions of my shingles attacks were also NOT present.
Overall, I think this is quite possibly the STRONGEST vaccination I have ever received. The immune response is clearly BIGGER than anything I have yet experienced.
SO……
knowing what I know now, would I recommend this shot?
I would say, for anybody in my shoes – one who has NOT had significant reactions to vaccines before, but who HAS had nasty experiences with shingles – that it is a BETTER option to take this new Shingrix vaccine, than to endure the far greater risks of shingles. That is just my opinion, but it IS my opinion.
Others need to weigh the risks without any recommendation on my part.
Use what you know. Think about it. Make an informed decision.
Here are some links.
Pay SPECIAL ATTENTION to the COMMENTS on the last one, where people who had negative side effects dumped a LOT of anecdotal information. This is NOT useful statistically, but it is EXTREMELY USEFUL to know the DOWNSIDE RISKS. These bad cases will PROBABLY NOT happen to you, but they COULD. This information is VERY USEFUL in – say – planning that trip with the non-refundable tickets.
You know what I’m sayin’? Yeah. You know what I’m sayin’.
