Dear KMAG: 20240318 Joe Biden Didn’t Win ❀ Open Topic

Joe Biden didn’t win. This is our Real President:

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.

This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!

We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.

Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:



  1. frog-eating
  2. bottom-feeding

Used in a sentence

A fish that eats frogs off the bottom of the pond, when the frogs dive into the water to escape predators on land, is batrachivorous, no matter how one defines the word.

Pronounced differently than I pronounce it


Who here has eaten frog legs? You’re batrachivorous! Of course, if you don’t want to eat bullfrogs, you can get drunk with them!


I stumbled across something interesting…..

YouTube suggested a video that I watched, fully realizing that it was probably “fake entertainment” designed to influence me in some way. And it was. So watch at your own risk. It’s a seductively innocent story.

To me, this sci-fi short appears to be propaganda to influence people in an emotional way to warm up to AI and humanoid robotics. They are using non-creepy, lovable humans to depict what we know is creepy and hard-to-love AI and robots.

Which is not to say that I oppose these things, but it IS to say that I can recognize propaganda when I see it. Some important concepts are discussed here, but beware of the main payload, hidden underneath sympathetic COUGH COUGH COUGH real humans.

Just sayin’!

Meanwhile, how about some AI REALITY – specifically in science and math? If you tire of the math, skip to the end for the summation of the situation by mathematicians.

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….



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👍🏼 Not only traitors, but batrachivorous traitors! 🐸

Barb Meier

(((Ribbit… gulp)))



Gail Combs

Even worse, I can sit on MY LAND fishing and get arrested for fishing without a licence!

Gail Combs

Remember the US government claimed jurisdiction over a LOT of water, including the puddle in a guy’s driveway. That has been SLIGHTLY modified.

4/2020 Federal Register Definition of “Waters of the United States”

“…the agencies interpret the term “waters of the United States” to encompass: The territorial seas and traditional navigable waters; perennial and intermittent tributaries that contribute surface water flow to such waters; certain lakes, ponds, and impoundments of jurisdictional waters; and wetlands adjacent to other jurisdictional waters. Paragraph (a) of the final rule identifies four categories of waters that are “waters of the United States.”.

The puddles in your yard are yours again cfact org 2020/01/11

..The outraged property owners , farmers and trade groups won a nationwide stay of the amended CWA in 2015 by the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals only to have it overturned by the Supreme Court in January of 2018.

It mattered not how far from a stream your puddle existed. Five miles, ten miles or more, that water and the land containing it was no longer in your control. Anything you wished to do on that land required approval from EPA and in most cases the hiring of consulting engineers to fill out applications to satisfy the stringent requirements initiated by EPA.

This regulation has wreaked havoc on farmers and ranchers desiring to alter the drainage on their property. In the process of suing those breaking this law, EPA has destroyed families and bankrupted businesses. I have met some of these unfortunate people, all the more unfortunate if they chose to fight this egregiously over reaching government agency….


I remembered that there was some action on this recently and found this:

Revised Definition of “Waters of the United States”; Conforming


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Department of the Army (“the agencies”) are amending the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) to conform the definition of “waters of the United States” to a 2023 Supreme Court decision. This conforming rule amends the provisions of the agencies’ definition of “waters of the United States” that are invalid under the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Clean Water Act in the 2023 decision.

I haven’t delved into it, but I’m hoping it is more reasonable now.

Gail Combs

Yes, it looks like they finally yielded to pressure… A little.

Gail Combs

I remember a local was complaining about the EPA going after the puddle in his driveway. He FINALLY got his Congress Critter to actually ‘VIEW’ the EPA “wetlands’.

The Congress Critter got out of his car and said, Well where is this wetlands. The guy replied “You are standing in it.”

Valerie Curren

sic semper tyrannis  😡 


Uh … that should be … white leftist female …

Happy go lucky

That’s covered by the “teacher” part.


So you say …  😂 


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Barb Meier

I would pronounce batrachivorous differently too. The audio says ba-trick-ivorous and I would say ba-track-ivorous. Ah well, I don’t encounter bottom-feeding, frog-eating creatures too often these days.


NBA Legend John Stockton Sues Gov’t Officials Over COVID Persecution

After a career making history in college and pro basketball, John Stockton is taking his name, and his game, to a different kind of court.

The former Utah Jazz point guard, NBA Hall of Famer and current podcast host is leading a federal lawsuit filed against the state of Washington attorney general’s office and the state’s medical commission over rules adopted for the COVID pandemic that silence doctors who challenge “the mainstream media narrative.”

And the Spokane, Washington, native and former hometown hero at Gonzaga University is as aggressive on the issue as he ever was in the paint.

In an interview Saturday on “Fox First,” Stockton and attorney Rick Jaffe said the rules the state of Washington adopted in 2021 are an assault on American freedoms and the freedom of science.

And the goal of the lawsuit is clear. “I think it’s pretty simple. It’s freedom,” Stockton said. “Even though we talk about medical freedom and things, it’s freedom and freedom to speak. It’s our First Amendment.”

Here’s hoping Americans never forget how “freedom” was pretty much the last thing too many local, state and federal officials were concerned with during the depths of the coronavirus mania. (Unless it was freedom to riot.)

Should officials who tried to fire and ruin COVID dissenters be treated exactly the same way?

In September 2021, at a time when sanity was returning to some — Republican-led — parts of the country, the Washington State Medical Commission issued a news release announcing it had voted unanimously to adopt a statement on what it called “COVID-19 Misinformation.”

The statement followed a July 2021 announcement from the Federation of State Medical Boards — a national umbrella group — that declared “Physicians who generate and spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation or disinformation are risking disciplinary action by state medical boards, including the suspension or revocation of their medical license.”

Of course, what’s “disinformation” or “misinformation” when it comes to COVID has always been more a matter of opinion than actual fact, and it’s changed with the times.

At one point, the so-called “lab leak theory” — that the COVID-19 pandemic was started at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China, was considered “disinformation.” In 2023 both the FBI and the Department of Energy endorsed it as the most likely origin of the disease — albeit in the latter’s case with a derrier-covering and politically useful caveat of “low confidence.”

Even Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, has acknowledged that social distancing guidelines about individuals staying six feet apart was essentially made up.

Yet anyone who questioned the establishment position, whether on the origins of the disease, treatments or the efficacy of vaccines in preventing transmission of the disease (they don’t, as a study in the journal The Lancet noted) no matter what MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow might claim.

In fact, one of Stockton’s attorneys, Democratic Party scion and independent presidential contender Robert F. Kennedy, makes no bones about that.

Yet in the worst days of the pandemic, anyone in public or semi-public life who uttered words dissenting from the establishment view risked the persecution of social and professional ostracism and — in Washington state, according to Stockton’s lawsuit — the loss of a professional license.

“The Washington Medical Commission I think is an outlier in most states,” Stockton attorney Rick Jaffe told Fox News’ Todd Piro.

“I don’t think there’s any court case that’s ever held that a professional can be silenced in terms of his speech to the public.”

Stockton has a history of outspoken dissent when it comes to COVID. In 2022, the man who is the most storied name in the storied history of Gonzaga University basketball (besides the NBA Hall of Fame, he’s also a member of the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame) had his season tickets to Gonzaga basketball games suspended over his opposition to mask mandates.

  :wpds_arrow:  Unbelievable… 😡

And as the host of the podcast “Voices for Medical Freedom,” he’s been taking public positions on policies most Americans probably never give a second thought to.

Now, he’s taking the battle to court, in a federal lawsuit that could open plenty of eyes about the treatment the medical and political establishment have meted out since the COVID pandemic to any who offer dissenting views.

It’s a more important battle than Stockton ever waged on the basketball court. And, fortunately, he’s getting support.

“I’ve received calls from people and doctors that I haven’t spoken to in quite a while, and they’re just so grateful,” he told Piro. “They’re grateful that somebody is stepping up that has a voice.”

The rest of the country should be grateful, too.


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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Actually Hitler COULD be funny. It just made him more dangerous.


We don’t get treated to clips of that.

Cuppa Covfefe

(from the comments of this vid, “I had a weird dream about this being the german entry for Eurovision.”) …

[it would sure be better than what we have now in Eurovision]…



Trump critics would never use a term like “bloodbath”

Cuppa Covfefe

All the while there are real BLOODbaths going on in DEMONRAT circles. Cannabalism in unHollyweird, Adrenochrome and the like (transfusions) and unfettered transplants for the Demonic perps at the top of their Satanic pyramid (e.g. Rockefeller), and all the blood spilled via abortion, trafficking (people and parts), inHuman sacrifice, and combinations thereof.

The DEMONRATS and their master Satan have been bathing in blood since their beginnings…

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All this talk about bloodbaths, meanwhile, every president in my lifetime, except Donald Trump, has gotten the United States involved in new wars, killing millions of people, squandering trillions of dollars, and leaving behind nations plagued by chaos, terrorism, and devastation.

Joe Biden takes back to the White House for the Washington DC swamp, and there are literal blood baths in Ukraine, Israel, and Palestine.

Were George W. Bush and Joe Biden pathological liars when they told the American people that Iraq had WMDs?

Was Obama practicing the values you want your kids to aspire to when he started wars in Libya, Syria, and Yemen?

Name one thing that Trump did that is objectively more evil.


manipulating/weaponizing reality
word salad

all hallmark behaviors and tactics of toxic narcissism, psychopathy.

👉 everything you do and say will be used against you !

what they want to stir up is a reaction….

then they’ll point to that reaction, and call YOU the abuser.

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DONALD TRUMP WINS CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP AT TRUMP GOLF PALM BEACH“Former US President Donald Trump has won his third title of the season following Club Championship glory at Trump Golf Palm Beach.” 

Former US President Trump, 77, was pictured holding aloft the coveted trophy at his Trump Golf Palm Beach course at the same time as World No.1 Scottie Scheffler was becoming the first player to successfully defend The Players Championship on the PGA Tour.

Mr Trump also won the Senior and Super Senior Championship titles earlier this year. 

While it is unknown as to what Mr Trump’s official handicap is in 2024, it wasreportedly 2.8 in 2023…


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That left a mark.  😯  😡 


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Warning: If you do this you’ll be saying a bad word…😬

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I had just come across this about him, by Jonathan Turley:

Associated Press Under Fire for Salacious Article on Ohio Senate Candidate Bernie Moreno

The Associated Press (AP) is reportedly looking at a possible lawsuit after a bombshell article on GOP Ohio Senate candidate Bernie Moreno was found to contain serious errors and contradictions. The article by Brian Slodysko suggested that Moreno had posted on the website Adult Friend Finder (AFF) to find male lovers. The story was eagerly picked up by newspapers like The Washington Post. Moreno is a Trump-backed anti-establishment candidate who is on the ballot this Tuesday in the Ohio primary. 

After being pressed by conservative sites like Breitbart News, AP admitted that a claim of having “geolocation data” implicating Moreno is untrue and Moreno’s counsel has shown that an intern admitted that the posting was a prank. Moreover, the AP knew and reported on the admission from the intern but still ran the story and claim of geolocational data support. The article is being denounced as a political “hit piece” and AP has reportedly brought in a major defense attorney to handle the legal repercussions.

More details follow, then:

A lawsuit could present some interesting questions since AP did incorporate the denial and alleged admission from the intern. It could argue that the rest is its opinion on the newsworthiness of the allegation. The issue is whether, given Moreno’s status as a public figure, the AP meets the “actual malice” standard for defamation as either knowingly publishing a false claim or doing so with reckless disregard of the truth. If Moreno sues and gains access to discovery against AP, this could prove a costly and embarrassing matter for the company.



What does this mean?

pat frederick

isn’t that a platform?


One America News, maybe.




Ohio Advocate Network. Seems to be loosely affiliated group of ambulance chasers.




forgot one

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He must have said, ‘yo momma’ to the wrong guy.



“Putin spoke for the first time about the terrorist organization RDK:

This is an analogy to the army of the traitor Vlasov. It is well known how she ended up.
We do not have the death penalty, but we will treat these people as those who are in a war zone.

Putin hinted at the complete elimination of traitors.”

(🤔 Don’t try this at home)


$0r0$ and Klau$ need to be there too.


I didn’t know anything about this man. Someone said he is Gino Jennings, a Holiness-Pentecostal preacher. He distills the “what is a woman” question down to basics. 🔥


To be fair, Biden is heavily influenced by Obama who rejects his mother and has married a queer, so it’s easy to see how Biden may have become confused.


Wow, you are HOT!!!  😯  😵 

pat frederick

and don’t forget…bought his children


Kid in Kindergarten Cop distilled boys and girls quire simply…


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Gail Combs

That is why I use Yandex. Brave and Duck Duck seem to just re-brand Google searches.


Do you have any trouble getting past the captcha on yandex ?
For around a month now I have been unable to use yandex, the captcha just keeps going on for ever. Yandex solutions say reducing security settings may be a cure, but they are the ones I’ve always had in the past without any problems.
Yandex have either increased they security or firefox has altered something, I suspect firefox as they seem to have updates a lot more regularly than in the past.
I do have moments of paranoia when I wonder if a man/AI in the middle is altering my captcha clicks.

Gail Combs

I had a problem for about a day. I shut down my computer and then brought it back up and the problem went away.

Hubby also changed the setting to ‘family friendly’ to get rid of the porn that showed every time I wanted a video on a specific subject.

My default is BRAVE not firefox.

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Same here. Brave and Yandex.


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If she wasn’t black and a woman, she would already be destroyed.

Even more, she would never have been elected in the first place.

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SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You misspelled “selected.”


Thank you for the correction! 👍😁


you misspelled ho.


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Deep Thoughts… by Sandy Cortez.


did the idgit actually say that ??


No, it’s a running joke to make up these things and have her “say” them.

Cuppa Covfefe

There used to be a website full of them… haven’t checked lately to see if it’s still there… things like “Why is it when I put bread in the toaster, and press down, toast comes out, but where did the bread go?” or “I was just using Spot Remover; now I can’t find my dog!”… 🙂

Annalena Baerbock (minister for foreign affairs, green feminazi) is our answer to AOC, one might say, “Our Bacon of Hope”.

She mispronounced BEACON as BACON, despite spending a year (on the WEFfenSS’s dime [read: OUR dime]) at the London School of Economics as a WEFfenSS Young Global Leader… the media over here pilloried her for that, but she seems to be trying to top it every time she opens her mouth…

We seem to have been invaded by a bunch of ugly feminazi stumpy misandrous Malthusian misanthropic unqualified quota-filling country-killing womyn… 😡 😡 😡 😡

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I don’t think she’s stupid enough to not realize that the sun is the cause of daylight.

She’s stupid as heck when it comes to political economy…but I doubt she’s really THAT stupid overall.

Barb Meier

Remember when she did not know what a garbage disposal was? I think that one was really AOC and might have started the AOC parodies.




Pita, Lettuce and Tomsto?


Pompous Little Twit – PLT.


I have watched these guys do reaction videos to lots of songs. I knew they did social/political reaction videos too, but I hadn’t watched any, until this one, posted OT:

The Most “Non-Pretending” and Brutally Honest Video So Far This Year
March 17, 2024

SD: “This video is buckets of brutal and pragmatic honesty. So much so, that it’s actually stunningly refreshing.

In an era where everything is seemingly constructed around false pretenses, manufactured narratives and just plain nonsense, the cold reality of truth stands as a beacon that draws attention from those who just know that things are not right. Watch this video and see a woman who is completely unafraid to state the truth without pretending.

Donald J. Trump… because, America. Yep!

Every single day more people realize why President Trump is opposed by the system.”


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pat frederick

interesting perspective on things

Deplorable Patriot

I believe he’s right, and Q told us all of that years ago.

Valerie Curren

Here’s what else he said

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Joe Rambo


Translation: I Donald Trump have made moves and signed orders so that we can put the government on pause.

During this period, we will run a multi layered psyop for multiple reasons.

Our country was infiltrated. Our citizens were divided and lulled into slavery.

To correct these issues, we have written a story and produced a show/cover story.

The show will allow the American people to see what we were up against and, in turn, weoponizing the people… all while saving the kids, revamping the financial system, and derooting corruption of every form globally.

We are 100% reaching the precipice. It is time.

It had to be this way. And it’s glorious. What a time to be alive.

& from the other tweet

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Joe Rambo


This is what people don’t want to admit.. “The authority is TOTAL and that’s the way it’s gotta be. It’s TOTAL”

“I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency”

“I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about”

“We are kind of in my second term right now”

“They are the ones that are really under investigation”

“I caught em. I caught em all. Nobody could have done that but me. Now let’s see what happens.”

Trump has told us over and over what is going on. Clear as day.

We are watching a psyop play out before our eyes. A multi-layered psyop being run to cover for legal processes taking place behind the scenes. For global operations to deroot the NWO. Meanwhile we the people are being weaponized to take our country back from the ground up.

It’s brilliant. Protect your mind and control your emotions. We are at war.

“We will see how bad they have done. It will be much easier to do what must be done, because everyone will agree with us.”

The drops told us: shown not told.
Only at the precipice will people find the will to change.

It’s undeniable frens. This is what’s happening. Whether you understand how or not.


I’m not coming down on you, Valerie, but I’ve had it with this stuff. In no way would I ever give credence to someone else’s “translation” of what Trump has said. The hubris of someone thinking they can “translate” for Trump is off the charts.

Here are Trump’s actual words:

“One of the important factors of the pause is that we see how bad they’ve done, so we will be able to do it properly and it will be much easier. Everybody will agree with this because everybody sees what a bad job has been done during this two-year period, and it will be a four-year period. Everybody sees that. It will be much easier for us to do what has to be done.”

The “pause” is that he is not in the WH. It’s a pause in his being able to implement his MAGA agenda. That alone shows that he is NOT currently able to implement it. The pause is not something of his making, but since it has happened, everyone can see how bad things are.

There is no provision in the Constitution or the law, or in common sense, for Trump to be acting as president now. It’s not possible, and it’s not happening. He is working behind the scenes to do what he can. He also did not cause all of this to happen. There is no legal way for him to have done that either. Making the best of it is not the same thing as causing it.

Here is the full post from “Joe Rambo”

Translation: I Donald Trump have made moves and signed orders so that we can put the government on pause.

During this period, we will run a multi layered psyop for multiple reasons.

Our country was infiltrated. Our citizens were divided and lulled into slavery.

To correct these issues, we have written a story and produced a show/cover story.

The show will allow the American people to see what we were up against and, in turn, weoponizing the people… all while saving the kids, revamping the financial system, and derooting corruption of every form globally.

We are 100% reaching the precipice. It is time.

It had to be this way. And it’s glorious. What a time to be alive.

“We have written a story?” A story???? Where does Trump say that? Nowhere, of course. Joe Rambo is a liar.

“…all while saving the kids, revamping the financial system, and derooting corruption of every form globally.”
What is he talking about? None of that is happening. Instead, it’s all getting worse. Are people so delusional that if someone tells them the sky has turned purple, they believe it?

One of the quotes above:
“I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency”
Trump said that on January 10, 2019, while he was president.

No, Trump did not “put the government on pause” by declaring a state of emergency while he was president. I don’t see the government being on pause. I see it growing in scope and power exponentially.

“Joe Rambo” and a lot of others are misleading some patriots, and those patriots are lapping it up, are spreading it, and are trying very hard to mislead others for some reason. (I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing; there are some who push this stuff practically 24/7.) They are willing to believe that Joe Nobody and people with very questionable judgment can speak for Trump. It is actually sickening to me.


totally agree with you.


weird hysteria,.


Thanks for speaking up. 🙂


Most people will read “Translation” given in that context as opinion. In which case they accept it or don’t.

Although I don’t prescribe to Joe’s theory I’m not a little worried that the MAGA will suffer for it. Besides Joe’s theory is still ideologically in step with MAGA even if for me it reads like a wish. If nothing else it pushes the envelope for what needs to be done given the chance.

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Adds, while the critique is good, you really might consider not constraining posters, the freer the conversations the better it is here. This tiny group is not going to influence the larger picture in anyway. People can make up their own minds.

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Adds, while the critique is good, you really might consider not containing posters, the freer the conversations the better it is here. This tiny group is not going to influence the larger picture in anyway. People can make up their own minds.

I have not advocated for not having free conversations. In fact, I have advocated for people to state exactly what they’re referring to and being open about it so it can be discussed.

I’m stating what I see, and it does concern posters here. I also am able to have free conversation.

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Easy there, big fella.  😂 



Valerie Curren

 I have advocated for people to state exactly what they’re referring to and being open about it so it can be discussed.”

Yes, being direct is Most Helpful & I appreciate that these discussions can & should be brought into the sunlight!


Most people will read “Translation” given in that context as opinion. In which case they accept it or don’t.

Not me. If I’m stating an opinion, I say so. If I’m translating what someone else has said, I’m stating THEIR opinion.

Besides Joe’s theory is still ideologically in step with MAGA even if for me it reads like a wish.

It is not the truth, however. That is the bottom line for me. There are blatant untruths in what he says.




And your disgust is properly directed, although it probably should be a lot more than you have shown here.

There are multiple efforts to divide MAGA and like the Hydra, chopping off one head allows more heads to grow. Each battle won means we need to INCREASE our extermination efforts, not relax in the local bar to order a pitcher of beer.

We must call out every one of these fantasy sellers every time they speak.


Please continue to speak…

Valerie Curren

TY TT. I was NOT endorsing the view, just sharing the rest of the verbiage from the tweets because I find it a pain to have to go off the Q-Tree to get the more complete picture. I almost appended “FWIW” at the end of my comment & it appears that I perhaps should have.

Your diligence in expounding on fictions vs reality is Most Helpful!!!


👍🏼 Sorry you stepped into a hornets’ nest. 🙂

Valerie Curren

not allergic to those stings…yet…it’s all good!

I do not personally espouse ANY Q theories, fwiw, which is why I usually stay out of these discussions AND call myself a Q Agnostic! 🙂

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Some may be encouraged to scroll by. Hypothetically an explainer in part to Trump’s claim that he’s been preparing for this his entire life.

A book review.
Despite being a dense book to read it was overall a good book. This is the 2nd book in the Baron Trump Collection by Lockwood where the young German travels North in the warmer months to Russia’s northern and less sparse regions seeking entrance to an underworld realm that he’s read about in one of his many obscure manuscripts.
More will follow… Concerning the condition of the text of book itself, a short review of the Lockwood books in general and their disparate nature, reason why people have latched on them, the character traits of Baron Trump, similarities in style with a certain horror writer and some other odds and ends. But first I have to go find where I put that book as I read it about three years ago.
The above was written in August of 2021 and here it is March 17th, 2024, three days from the Vernal Equinox, the very time the Earth limits its continuous trek toward darkness and returns to light. So yes, Dark to Light and the same day as Barron Trump’s 18th Birthday. Significant? Yes.
Briefly about this Book. Not really, I’m starting with the first book “Travels and Adventures of Little Baron Trump and his Wonderful Dog Bulger”, for both books are quite similar and both are entirely hard to read. Actually a challenge for the best of readers. They are called a children’s books, and tell the story about a child but adults will find it a rather difficult read for the book is more of a primer for a special kind of child prodigy, one whom is meant to excel in all endeavors, trained to use their brain and hone their skills as a master with indomitable will, who won’t succumb to the most difficult challenges.
Now I read this book in 2019 and you could not force me to read it again, yet it is a remarkable work for what I assume it intends. Both books are filled with short adventures, the stories are punctuated and begin with Baron Trump as a mere baby out of the womb and already correcting things not to his liking, mother and father included. The book continuous thus as the young master prepares to travel the world, acquires what is needed to include a ship and crew and then sets out to do just that. The second book, this, picks up after the young master returns home and prepares for his second great adventure after discovering some tid bit of knowledge he finds worthy of further investigation and thus he sets out to toward the farthest reaches of Russia seeking a certain hole that will take him below the surface of the earth.
Both books are filled with ludicrous tales that seem to happen without rhyme or reason, but happen instead because young Baron Trump is confronted with an obstacle to be overcome and he does it, again and again and again by focusing his attention on his intentions and brooks no negativism, barely even a look back as to the reason for his actions as from the very outset he’s determined a thing needs doing and he does it. When you read this book you are not going to be able to escape the thought that such a book or some rigorous training like it, may have helped to forge the 45th President of the United States. What can be gleaned about the character of Donald Trump seems to have been fashioned in this remarkable story. The book however is not about Donald Trump per say, but about the young master Baron Trump but for that we’ll hope to turn to Barron in a most startling way.
Before we turn to that, a bit about some frustrating aspects concerning the story. Besides being written in almost archaic prose making it a challenge to read, there is the thing about descriptions in the book. Where a simple description will do for one thing, you are often met with batches of descriptions that are inordinately long. You might be marveled by this at first, indeed I’ve only run across it with H.P. Lovecraft stories done for a different effect, but soon it will seem tedious and there are points where the batches are so long you’ll scream “Enough!” before the story thankfully picks up again. If there is a purpose to this I can only think it’s to train that special gifted child in examining all details in the minutest manner in order to overcome obstacles in a rational way, for normal adults though it’s enough that you don’t toss the book out a window.
Now about Barron. No not Baron in the book, Barron in real life for there are tell-tale signs that the President’s son may actually have been forced to apply himself in a matter where such a skill set as can be developed from these books could be useful in a nasty and detractable situation where a positive outcome is desired and in Barron’s case achieved with remarkable result that is still growing worldwide in something called The Great Awakening.

To get there and step you through that, I’d have to come back and I fear I’d not make it back before the change from Dark to Light begins. Dark to Light is a common refrain in The Great Awakening. It is also applicable to the Vernal Equinox, where the course of sun’s light reflected on the Earth turns back toward the North and in this age and time it occurs on March 20th the same day as Barron Trump’s birthday, with this one being his 18th. Oh.. I already said that. Must be important.
more soon…and hopefully not in the way Q uses the word “soon” for if such is the case we may never get there 🙂 So hopefully sooner than that or dread… not at all soon, as the information would be controversial and does demand out of respect a pre-action which is out of my control.


So yes, Dark to Light and the same day as Barron Trump’s 18th Birthday. Significant? Yes.

I see no significance to that unless you make it up, so no.

You say, “Hypothetically an explainer in part to Trump’s claim that he’s been preparing for this his entire life.”

Is this about Barron, or Donald?

I’m sorry, para, but none of this makes any sense to me and it appears to be excursions into fantasyland. We talked before about your idea that Barron is Q and that he could reveal that at the Vernal Equinox, his birthday, and I pointed out what an absolute disaster that would be for Trump’s campaign and the country. I don’t understand in the least why people are latching onto this stuff and what value they think there is in it.

I mean no offense, but since it is being stated for everyone to see, it is also fair that I state my opinion. IMO people are being led away from the important issues, on purpose, and patriots are falling into the trap.

If you, or anyone, can say what value there is in focusing on these things, how that would help the country or help Trump win reelection or show us how we might be more effective in winning hearts and minds to what America is about, then please state what that value is so I can understand. Because I see the opposite: a segment of the patriot movement that is not centered in reality, which can be devastating in battle. I see this as destructive, not constructive. I see patriots causing damage. And I see them pushing these ideas to a degree that is worthy of leftist media, propagandizing and trying to get people on their side. The more I see of this, the more suspicious it looks to me.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

I won’t assume that the source of all this sort of thing is patriots.

IMHO they’re trying to control the opposition (us) without our realizing it.


I agree. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is being pushed so hard for a reason. What is puzzling to me is that some people here, who I think are patriots, seem discontented unless they can pull everyone in to the scheme. I am becoming increasingly suspicious about that. Convincing people seems to be their goal, to an unnatural degree.

So back to your point: a non-patriot source is likely spreading these ideas, but patriots are lapping them up and doing the work to spread them. Those patriots appear practically brainwashed in that they won’t/can’t see the truth of even one refutation of the claims.


Being brainwashed is not a condition exclusive to leftists.

Just saying.

Gail Combs

Unfortunately that is too true.

After all the Cabal has been intent on brainwashing all of us since birth.

All we can do is see if their is real info. in the sea of sewage we have wash over us.

One of the reasons I like ‘Defected’ is they are NOT trying to figure out what is ‘TRUE’ but rather trying to see the DIRECTION the Cabal is pushing the narrative.




Well, you dragged the theory out of me the other day, one that I preferred kept close hold, so it’s sort of spread throughout the conversation. Yesterday I took the liberty of actually writing it all down. Previously it was kept in my head. So I will post it in it’s 80% unpolished condition and I will not be posting it to the book review unless that unstated condition is met. I will post it as a seperate post below, first I want to address this.

I mean no offense, but since it is being stated for everyone to see, it is also fair that I state my opinion. IMO people are being led away from the important issues, on purpose, and patriots are falling into the trap.

First that can’t relate to my theory as no one has heard it, it appears no where on all the internet, and as I told you while you were demanding it, it is a double edged sword.

Second if this bold text above is directed to Q enthusiasts, then I’d remind you that this is why Sundance had us kicked off his platform and thusly the very reason this site and our sister sites exist and thousands more. That conversation will continue and both sides have pro’s and con’s but in the opinion of Q enthusiasts Q has brought more eyes to problems we are facing then less. So if you want more of that conversation we can have it. We do it often enough.


Now my theory, which for me is more of a conviction. This can be controversial and a shock to most. I don’t subscribe to the other theories. At best they are linked only by a shared ideology which is fine. Me I love what was done and applaud it and understands it would take time for people to warm to this for many. Others will love it, but for it being a double edged sword I’ve kept 95% of the following to my self for coming close to 6 years now.

 The following is somewhat circumstantial, postulative but serves well enough as a preponderance of evidence in establishing workable theory.
The Case for Barron being Q.
So where to start? Perhaps with what Q is not, and then we’ll proceed to the beginning.

Most everyone thinks of Q as 1. A LARP. 2. A White Hat player in some secret organization that will fix the world for us. Or 3. a Dark Hat player being used to confuse and retard the conservative movement.  Of the three, number 1 is closest to the truth but not in the way anyone thinks but in a way that is endearing, clever, very unique and genius, one that should be applauded and cheered. 
As to 2 & 3 you will never find Q on someone’s organizational chart except for his own where he pointed out he is part of very small group from which some have military experience.  If Q were part of an organization he’d of been found out long ago in one of Congress’s secret committees either by the Republicans or Democrats or the Government enforcement bodies like the CIA, FBI, NSA etc.… would have found him and his org out even if he was operating with the tacit consent of the then President Trump. Indeed I’d challenge anyone to even mention such an investigation even being conducted. What about an independent organization that operates like the FED? I’d say no to that as all of those come under political control or get infiltrated by politicos.    The fact that he has not been found out and exposed then speaks to something else. He has a special sanction that even berders (saves you the trouble of looking that up- One who delving in evil that even the devil despises) dare not violate… yet anyways as the rules may change once he’s 18.  If Q has connections to any secret organizations the connection is purely a mutual sharing of ideas and nothing else.  In the meantime Q is more than willing to let you fill in the blanks with flights of fancy for which those are many and they are legend so much so that many alters have been set up to both celebrate and worship and not a few to denigrate as well.
So this leads us back to number 1. A LARP (Live Action Roll Player). Now if Q were just any LARP he would have been found out long before any secret or independent organization could be found.  Neither of those two things have happened, so this means Q has special sanction.  Also Q demonstrated through almost countless proofs that he was someone close to the President with some limited knowledge of Presidential affairs and short circuited access to closely guarded public information.  The commonly known things about Q’s identification are the one just mentioned, someone close to the president, and the fact that in some instances he was more than just one person, but generally just one person, with an undefined connection to the military or intelligence. Other than that, no one has been able to agree on another thing. 

Now everyone connected to the Whitehouse at one time or another came under scrutiny for possibly being Q. but all were ruled out for a variety of reasons and no one had their home, apartment, basement or office raided which has become a rather common practice under our current rule and trust me the Dems would not of forgotten about Q, but they have which means even the berders are still being kept at bay (well maybe, remember the FBI did search through Barron’s room at Mara Logo which is another tell-tale sign and deserving of a separate comment).
So this leads us to Barron, so let’s talk Barron. Most everyone is going to pass over Barron because of his age. Even if suspected it would take a suspension in belief to even consider him. Barron was I believe 11 years old when Donald Trump became President. That would of made him 12 years old when Q first appeared on the scene at the end of 2017.   Somehow everyone forgot that there are such things as Child Prodgies/gifted children and though most recognize such in areas of music, art, chess, math , language, even athleticism, just what sort of child prodigy might President Trump have raised? The plank in everyone’s eye has been agism. It created a blind spot for all. Indeed even as I explain this there will be many that will scoff at the idea just out of jealousy that Q could be just twelve when he first stepped out on the world stage and began to control one of the largest free geographically dispersed standing armies in the world, willing to work for free without pay, with only the notion of working toward freedom, patriotism, family and God as their only reward.
President Trump is himself a genius with the IQ scores to prove it. His wife speaks six languages and started her own multinational business even before meeting Trump. Barron himself is said to be master chess player and speaks his mother’s tongue.  There is the story about when Barron was three and the first words to his butler were “Jeeves we need to have a talk”. Barron grew up with the top pent house floor of his father’s tower as his room. Barron was also watched over by some of the highest trained special ops soldiers from Black Water that money could buy and those likely served as his confidents in many matters and are likely a part of the small group that served with Q from the beginning.
So did Donald Trump start off to raise his son up to be Q? Not likely. He may of raised him to be like Baron Trump in the book and much like himself, but I seriously doubt he had any notions of creating Q. So what did create Q? I’d highly suggest that to be three days in May of 2017. Leading up to that time the White House was often under siege by pink hats and anarchists, everything that the Democrats under Hillary Clinton’s direction could throw at Trump was sent to DC as well as Trump Tower in NYC to disrupt and if possible over turn the government and give it to her.  There are stories from the Trump family of looking out the windows in disbelief at the sea of people who came to angrily and sometimes violently protest them. Barron was there too. They thought they’d have a better welcome than that but were wrong. Then came three days in May.

The first was Kathy Griffin holding up the bloodied head of Donald Trump. Little Barron was smart kid, getting a good high class private education. Stories of what happened to the Romanovs were likely not unfamiliar to Barron, be they from his parents who often spent time with their son, a private tutor or his military body guard. 
The second date in May came with the appointment of the special counsel, Robert Muller.  This was the first solid indication that Donald Trump could be removed from the White House. Such news would not have escaped an inquisitive boy such as Barron Trump. The Mobs and now this were likely making for an unsettling time for all. 

The third was a bit different. A ray of hope in a dark storm. I have no indication if Barron attended his family to Saudia Arabia but even if he did not, you can bet he was allowed to keep close tabs on them. The event at the end of May that would of sparked his imagination was the visit to SA’s new intelligence center where Donald and Melania along with the leaders of SA gathered about that silver sphere with outstretched hands that sparked electricity as it brought up intel screens. 
Now all of Donald’s Trump family were engaged in their fathers defense. The only one not being seen doing anything was Barron. No one pays attention to the boy, but think not that a boy who loved his father and mother, who was being reared to be a problem solver like Baron Trump in the book was idle.  By the end of October of that year came the first message to the world from Q. 

So all that sounds a bit fanciful, but one should admit plausible. His body guards being in close contact with him may well have given him some ideas on how he might help as well as smarting him up on how to access the 4 Chan in a secure mode. Much latter they likely helped him with moving to 8 Chan after attempts to thwart Q by getting his access to 4 Chan banned where made. It should be notable that the new owner of 8 Chan was ex special forces and late in Donald Trump’s presidency made a somewhat controversial visit from the Philippines to DC in an effort to keep 8 Chan open.
We however have other telltale signs that Q was Barron Trump. There was an early one where Q forbid any one from profiting off of his posts. His aim was at a select group like James Corsi and Alex Jones but others as well, some even claiming to be Q or working for Q. Q sent out a strict and broad edict that no one is to profit from or misuse his posts in his name. This however came under immediate attack from his startled followers many of whom followed mom and pop type sites that made a meager living decoding Q posts. How could Q not understand the people who were supporting him needed this income to survive? That in my opinion was a mistake that a child would make. Q quickly back tracked and amended his original edict.
There was also the matter of Q’s syntax in the beginning which only improved over time Many noted he sounded oddly like Donald Trump and his military jargon was not quite up to snuff. However, these improved over time and if you noticed that, it may have been another indicator that the LARP was some one young and slightly inexperienced.
A large tell would be “Trust Wray, Trust Comey, Trust Rosenstein”.    The public was no longer trusting that. Too many indicators said not too, but Q kept saying such to the dismay of his followers. Didn’t he have inside intel that should of waved him off of that much earlier. So why? The likely answer was Donald himself, who held out hope to his son even after he was questioning those in public himself. When his father finally gave up on all hope for the three, eventually he had to level with his son, but Q was so far out on the limb with the three trusts that he lost face with community and stopped posting for a long period of time. 
Another long pause likely occurred when Melania finally figured out her son was Q. I doubt much she appreciated learning this, and being a hands on Mom Q may have well been forbidden to post.  Whatever the reason, Q was gone for another long stretch and near the end of that time Lionel, a Q talker with a radio show was invited to the White House to demonstrate trust with Q community and likely Barron as well. It was still some time before Q started to post again and it wasn’t long after there was the matter of Melania and the Coat. For me that was Melania fully accepting Q as her son. Some might wish to say that she did that on her own, but I’m thinking Barron had a hand in that and mom handled it like a pro. Of course the media mangled the message that was meant just for them, but such is expected as many of them act like berders.
Next comes all the small acts. The ones that could be construed as juvenile if you knew who Q was, but you didn’t so you just accepted them. Often these came as Q proofs, where Q demonstrated how close he was to the President. Everything from clues planted in X mas decorations, reflections in watches, the Ginger Bread Elevators, a whole host things in an effort to narrow the delta from the President’s actions to Q’s posts in an effort to show that Q was indeed close to the President. Even once to do Dark to Light, the room in one of the Presidents conference meeting with staff, went inexplicably dark.  Now who could of done that and got away with it? 

Now I say these small acts appeared juvenile, at least to me but I could see they also were serving a larger and rightful purpose at odds with a media that were doing their best beat down the conservative narrative, and it was working like a literal charm as it helped keep anons focused in rooting out information that exposed Democrats, the Clinton/Obama sects, Deep State and Cabal Crimes while putting a massive number of questioning eyes on the same.
Donald Trump’s own actions…
Q taunting the media seeking for them to expose him…. His need for exposure and credit….

Lastly back to the raid on Maro Lago. The FIB had to know Donald Trump was not hiding classified information in Barron’s room. Instead the FIB who very likely knew who Q was were searching the room in hopes that Barron himself had gathered and retained such information from his time as Q, that they could in turn use such against his father.  This also calls to light that Q stopped posting after Donald Trump left the White House another tell, be it fear the DOJ was hunting down the President or it was finally time for him to concentrate on his schooling.



Thank you for presenting your theory. I disagree with it, top to bottom, and don’t have time to get into point by point.


Okay, still interested if you can offer something better.
I’ve been looking for 6yrs and haven’t found such yet.

It’s got that Occam’s razor thing going for it.

Careful it doesn’t grow on you. Cause now your going to have to weigh everything you hear against it.


As I stated before, I don’t have a theory about who Q is.

The simple idea, floated for years, that Q is a person or small group of possibly militarily connected individuals who have access to Trump, whose mission is to save the country and whose purpose in starting “Q” was to inform the public and inspire them to research and take action, seems pretty plausible. But I don’t know.


Changing subject.

B just posted this image and I tried your tineye thing on it. Came up saying it hasn’t crawled over the image yet.

Has been leaning toward B being a fake since he still hasn’t produced anything of real substance yet.

Now I’m stuck (real or cold feet)… Thoughts?

Oh the image.


I don’t know. A search in Getty images for “Barron Trump 2011” yielded this:

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If the “B” image is real, does that mean that “B” is Barron? I don’t think so.


No it doesn’t. Could be scoffed by someone close to the family. But it does tighten things up with out more information.

Gail Combs

I think Higgins was one of the ‘less than ten’

DROP # 60

Nov 02, 2017 7:03:36 PM EDT

Anonymous ID: WBXFv1gI No. 147679416 

You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands.

Of those (LESS THAN 10 people) only three are non-military.

Why is this relevant?

Game theory.

Outside of a potential operator who has been dialed-in w/ orders (specific to his/her mission) nobody else has this information.

Operators never divulge.

Alice & Wonderland.


Halfway in or there abouts Q mentioned that he was going to get help. Higgens may of been that help.

Gail Combs

I thought Q might be Rich Higgins

September 18, 1974 – February 23, 2022

Richard Higgins was the Vice President of Unconstrained Analytics before his untimely death of heart failure. [CIA heart attack gun?? Jab?? GC]

He spent 20 years combating terrorism and is an expert on the nexus between theological doctrines and information age unconventional warfare.

Rich Higgins served on the National Security Council in the Trump Administration as the Director for Strategic Planning. He was removed in 2017 after warning of a deep state coup to remove the President.

Higgins was also Vice President of Intelligence & National Security for RED, LLC, a company that develops, tests and evaluates new combat capabilities for special operations, intelligence and irregular warfare missions.

From 2011 to 2013, Higgins managed a classified project for Special Operations Command (SOCOM).

From 2010 to 2011, he served as the Chair of Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict at the National Defense University.

In 2004, he formed the Department of Defense’s (DOD) Irregular Warfare Support (IWS) program office and served as the organization’s first Program Manager until June 2010. In this role he was directly responsible for the creation of several new strategic and operational capabilities…

Following his NSC service, Rich would become a successful author penning a nationally acclaimed book The Memo which exposed the sinister nature of the Deep State within the same government he served most of his life…

The Memo – 20 Years Inside the Deep State Fighting for America First

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Happy go lucky

Thanks, I was trying to remember his name. I’m with you, and an unexpected death makes the most sense to me for the sudden silence. Anyway, may he Rest In Peace.


You might be right, but his death doesn’t coincide with Q drops stopping. They stopped in December of 2020, after the election.


That might have a hard time explaining “Trust Wray, Trust Sessions, Trust Rosenstein” going on as long as it did. Then the long absence.

Someone like Higgins would of picked up the trouble and would of been in a position to change Q messaging earlier and there would also have no reason for any of the long absences, especially that one.

8 chan would of gotten better support. As it was we watched him struggle.

I still need to flush out some of the points on the bottom starting with the juvenile acts. Then the President’s support of Q. Much of it to me seemed the kind of support Father would offer a son. That would include Trump saying how Baron had gotten good with computers, but it is much more.

I also need to go back and look at the last few months of Q postings. I remember him taunting the media to find out who he was. To me that means the kid wanted to be exposed. He wanted his credit and notoriety.

To me the whole Q industry was in response to an absence of information and the grape vine at work. Rumors and theories took off fast and people latched onto bigger complex theories.

There were of course organizations that shared the same ideology as Q or we could say vice versa so there would be a mirror effect but Q didn’t voice things the way Higgins would. There is a certain lack of specificity in Q’s messaging vs what Higgins wanted.

I often have visions of Q wandering around the white house visiting guys like Steve Bannon working on his chalk boards. The kid would be like a sponge picking up information and none would be the wiser and likely more than willing to talk to him.

Someone once posted about tunnels under our continent and submarines patrolling them. That is the kind of talk older sub guys would use to mess with the younger guys. In the same fashion Q would get the dicy stuff from his Black Water contingent. When Q first started out he was very much into the Clinton and Epstein stuff. That continued through out Q’s postings. Wether he got that from his dad first, which is likely, the Black Water guys would of been more than happy to bring up the details.

The attacks on Q with in the 4 Chan and later 8 Chan platform were were directed as if against a child. Nude images, flat earth, anti Israel, UFO’s etc… never ending attacks by the berders.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

So you’re still trying to flesh things out and be able to explain everything with it. Cool.

Please, if you run into something you cannot reconcile with your hypothesis, not because of lack of info, but because it actively contradicts…recognize that you must go back to the drawing board.

Last edited 1 month ago by SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Has been looking for six years to disprove my hypothesis. Nothing yet, but I do have a knack of reading something once and never reading it again unless brought to my attention. So it would be easy to just over look something while seeing things that supported my theory. As said, I never kept notes on this stuff.

Everytime I hear these great theories I go back and see that from the beginning they are assuming things have to be the way they claim because nothing else would make sense. But no one has considered Barron. There is no original connection and they can’t ID Q. It’s immediately up into the clouds with a great sounding story.


Anyway, out for a walk. If I get caught up here when I’m supposed to be walking I’m dead.


Discounts that Donald had an exceptional child and that all his children rallied around Dad.

We are fairly sure that Donald and Melania both paid mind to Barron. That means they talked alot and talking with Barron would be talking to someone intelligent.

Imagine the type of things Barron would hear from his Dad. As an exceptional child, a child prodigy, the whole Q thing was in his grasp.

Once I saw meme on one of Q pages on Reddit. The meme was a picture of Donald walking away from Marine 1 and him waving to Barron saying thanks Q!
Wheatie had a like on that meme. This was when we still over there just after I realized who Q might be. I later went back to that same place and the meme was gone. The poster also. Found that odd. I saw at least one other meme similar to that. Wish I saved it, actually may have but likely didn’t survive the transfer to the new computer or I just need to search for it.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

You’re asserting a priori that Barron was smart enough to do this at age 11 1/2.


Please google any child prodigy and explain them. Then ask yourself if Barron who is a chess master and his first words to his butler were to say “Jevees we need to talk”, what kind of prodigy might he be growing up in the Trump household and getting a first rate education to boot, not to mention the high class help and Black Water types that attended him. I’d suggest one oriented in the same fashion as his dad.

It’s well in reason to suggest that priori with Trumps kid.

Then there is the entire Ingersoll Lockwood thing. Where each of his four books deserve a long hard look. But as for the Baron Trump books they demonstrate the same character that Donald Trump has. You should go back and read that post. It’s above The Theory.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

And as I spitballed elsewhere, Barron could have been the “front man” (actually physically making the posts) for a separate group that wrote them.

But no, a priori is what we get.


My assumption is Donald would have never put the kid up for that unless the kid put himself up there first. Nor would he ever have let him continue unless he demonstrated to his dad the aptitude to continue.

I don’t think Donald knew at first, that the kid found a way hide it till they figured out where it was coming from. That Barron found a way to keep his bodyguards at bay while pressing them methods about comms and keeping them secure or that his dad knew from the beginning and kept close watch through them.


Yes, but one of things commonly accepted about Q is it was someone close to the president. Meanwhile not a few of Q’s posts set out to prove that and sometimes in my opinion in the way a child might.


those posts show a political and military sophistication impossible in somebody that age.

Yes. That is one of my many objections, but I knew if I said anything, it would lead to the type of discussion that has followed, here. So 🤐.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Another plausible possibility that would have some of the advantages of your suggestion (i.e., harder to get to because he’s a minor) is that Q is hiding behind Barron, or using him as their front man.

They hand him the stuff to post, he posts it. Maybe sometimes he makes suggestions they listen to. But his main role would be a conduit.

What’s my evidence? I have none; I am just spitballing…and saying so.

Valerie Curren

fascinating take, into the hopper, for this Q Agnostic 🙂


I want to say something else. I greatly appreciate and respect your willingness to engage in discussion even when there is disagreement. 👍🏼

I also appreciate your posting your theory. As you say, it is unique.

IMO, there are (at least) two different categories. One is people’s opinions that are based on their own ideas and judgments. That is what your theory is. Cthulhu’s theory that Melania is Q also falls into that category. I don’t agree, but that is just my opinion. Gail’s theory that Rich Higgins might have been Q is also in that category.

The other category is statements that I either 100% know to be false, or reasonably believe to be false based on facts, knowledge, people’s own words, reality, and common sense. Example: Joe Rambo “translating” Trump as saying “To correct these issues, we have written a story and produced a show/cover story.” In my judgment, that is just as bad as Adam Schiff standing up in Congress and putting words in Trump’s mouth. (Okay, I’ll stop there. 🙂)


Well, you dragged the theory out of me the other day, one that I preferred kept close hold, so it’s sort of spread throughout the conversation.

If I “dragged” it out of you, it’s because it’s very hard to have a discussion when people won’t state openly what they mean. I have to wonder why you brought it up if you meant to keep a close hold on it. IMO, if someone is going to broach a topic here, they should be prepared to discuss it. Often, things are said with innuendo and wink-wink, when a frank discussion would bring up points that people otherwise wouldn’t consider. That’s the value of crowd-sourcing ideas.

“I mean no offense, but since it is being stated for everyone to see, it is also fair that I state my opinion. IMO people are being led away from the important issues, on purpose, and patriots are falling into the trap.”

First that can’t relate to my theory as no one has heard it, it appears no where on all the internet, and as I told you while you were demanding it, it is a double edged sword.

I mean no offense, but I place it in the “fantasy” category of other theories. You state that if I would just consider it, I would see it too. Yet, one of the “proofs” you provided, the events in May, makes no sense whatsoever to me and appears to be reading into things.

Second if this bold text above is directed to Q enthusiasts…

It is not at all aimed at Q enthusiasts. I am one myself. It is aimed at people who claim to speak for Q and/or for Trump when they have no inside knowledge and no authority whatsoever. It is aimed at people who are trying very hard to convince others of theories that don’t hold water, that aren’t consistent with Trump himself, and that aren’t even consistent with the Q drops, as I have demonstrated before here.


The problem lies in the “grape vine”. When the real information is not inserted in the communication then the grape vine is more than willing to make things up with good or ill intent. But you know this.

Anyways, absent the real truth we are left with the intent. For me if it supports the larger objectives and is not outside the commander’s intent, I’m not going to fuss much. Say noted, dig deeper, maybe give it a different kind of support that maybe even includes rolling with it even if hokey, or just move on.

Some time chaff is a good idea if it throws the enemy off balance even temporarily. Can these things come back and bite? Sure, but you should be ready to ‘tap dance or your queer’ is the saying.

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I hear you and I agree. Where I quibble is when things are presented as fact that are not true, such as people attributing sayings and motives to Q that are demonstrably false, and the same with Trump.

Repeat a lie often enough, and people will start to believe it. I’ve seen it in real time. Example: Q’s saying that “you are watching a movie” had a specific application, yet people have used that to say that JB is not really in the WH.

As for “absent the real truth,” under what conditions has it ever been true that a former president was still in charge when someone else was in the WH? That is one example of what I consider harmful unreality.


I noticed that the enemy, having heard the part about Biden not being in WH, went so far as utilizing a duplicate oval office to support the BS rumor. You can tell they were playing the tinfoil hat crowd because there were pics on the internet that showed the support structures of the set. If they were trying to fool people, that would never have happened.

Objectivity is our friend.


BTW, just because someone has insider knowledge does not mean that person also has the authority to speak about it.

pat frederick

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Cuppa Covfefe

What people often miss is the parallel, countering punishment if GOD’s Word and Promise aren’t followed (e.g. many, MANY places in Proverbs and elsewhere).

II Chronicles 7:19-22:

19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.
21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land, and unto this house?
22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

It seems the USA (and Europe and most of the Western World) have fallen into the “OR ELSE” clause of vv. 19-22…

Learn, Turn, or Burn, in other words…

Valerie Curren

God help us, literally. May there be enough of a remnant to warrant saving! (Like Abraham pleading with the Lord in the potential salvation of Sodom & Gomorrah)

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

what I found interesting about that story was that Abraham was able to bargain God down. In spite of the fact that God already knew what was going to happen.

Valerie Curren

elsewhere there is a passage that says (roughly) “& God repented of the evil He had planned” which is most disconcerting…

The more we know, the more we don’t know 😉

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

But he is described as having perfect knowledge of the future.

So he knew he was going to have to whack Sodom and Gomorrah, because there would only be one worthy man (and wife and two daughters). He knew this before he haggled with Abraham.

So what was the point of the haggle?

And if he did regret it later, why? He had plenty of time to think it over beforehand.

Valerie Curren

I don’t know about God regretting whacking S & G, that “repent” incident is referring to something else, iirc. I’ll see if I can find it…

I found various passages in the KJV

1 Chronicles 21:15
And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the Lord beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the Lord stood by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

In the NIV God relented from the disaster

Jeremiah 26:13
Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

ditto the NIV take above

Joel 2:13
And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

here the NIV says He relents from sending calamity

2 versions of a passage out of Jonah

Jonah 3:9-10
King James Version
Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Jonah 3:9-10
New International Version
Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.”
10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.

Jonah 4:2
And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

here the NIV take is similar to Joel

He knew this before he haggled with Abraham.” I think this was more of an instance of Allowing Abraham, who was described as a “friend of God”, to approach Him & “haggle” or perhaps lay an “outlandish” request before God–we are told elsewhere to present our requests to the Lord.

Abraham seemed to be asking if God would destroy the “good” (Jesus said no man is good) with the bad. In the haggling God is demonstrating His willingness to spare the many bad for the sake of the few (theoretical) good. In fact though the threshold of goodness isn’t reached to spare S & G God still makes a way to deliver the (relatively) righteous before the destruction ensues.

I always wondered why Abraham didn’t keep asking for God to spare S & G for a lower number…”you have not because you ask not!” Surely even A recognized the extreme evil of those cities & was perhaps ashamed to ask for God to spare them for less than 10 “good”…

“So what was the point of the haggle?”

He sees us
He hears us
He cares about us
He speaks to us
He protects us
He is responsive to us
He is approachable
He is compassionate
He is just
He is patient
He is forgiving
He is slow to anger
He is a way maker
He is a deliverer

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

OK. Let’s try again. God is omniscient. He knows already…he has known for all time…exactly how many good people there would be in S&G. Yet he needs to send angels to scout it out? And he haggles with Abraham knowing full well the correct number is 1 (or 4)? He already has all of the information he needs to make his decision. In fact, he has known for all time what his decision would be.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Yes, it does resemble some people’s vision of Q and The Plan…because they are ascribing divine levels of omniscience and omnipotence to Q, or at the very least behave as if they think he is a (or they are) prophet(s).

Valerie Curren

OK theater for His human audience?

So you made me go look for the scripture reference to the events…

This is from Genesis 18 NIV

20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.””

That statement attributed to God is difficult to reconcile w/ omniscience, imo. However God stayed w/ Abraham & conversed with him while the 2 angels went to Sodom & interfaced with Lot.

Perhaps what you reference is God’s process when He is about to destroy something (or even intervene in human affairs) using His angels as His agents. He instructs them to first investigate so that they, the angels who are Not omniscient, can carry out God’s will of judgement by using their own discernment.

The events recounted in Genesis 19 show the angels going to great lengths to spare Lot, his family, & all who were his, like pledged SsIL who didn’t leave because they thought God destroying S & G was a joke.

Perhaps angels are given investigative powers & latitude in carrying out God’s will? Certainly angels have some degree of free will or 1/3 of them wouldn’t have fallen with Lucifer…

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

“Perhaps angels are given investigative powers & latitude in carrying out God’s will?”

How can they have latitude, when God already knows what they are going to do?

Valerie Curren

How can they have latitude, when God already knows what they are going to do?”

This Q smacks of Free Will vs Predestination & Much Greater Minds than my own have wrestled with that to no complete success!

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

There’s a reason for that.

It’s an actual contradiction.

Valerie Curren

It’s an actual contradiction.”

or perhaps an apparent one

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Nope. Unless we’ve misdefined either the concept of omniscience or of free will, the contradiction is built in, it exists at the logical level. It’s a 2+2=5 thing not a “there are green swans” thing. The former is a contradiction no matter what, the latter may or may not be true, we have to search for a green swan.

But it’s even worse than making our free will problematic. If God himself knows what he is going to do, and has always known, does HE have free will?

Valerie Curren

I’ve heard, or read, on the human free will front that we are only free to turn to God if He first draws us to Himself. Basically we are not capable of choosing Him without Him, in a sense, first choosing us, & lifting the scales from our eyes, as it were, like Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.

Free will is a human concept that isn’t directly addressed in scripture, I believe. However there are places where it is stated or implied that God desires all to be saved & made a way for that happen through Jesus’ shed blood. Elsewhere it mentions that some are “destined” for destruction. Now that could mean that their choices are leading them to that end or it could be said that they were made so. These are mysteries that encourage debate but elude complete reconciliation.

I don’t think that our finite minds are fully capable of comprehending God nor His attributes. It’s like contemplating eternity or infinity. I can “understand” the basic gist of either concept but when I really spend time considering them they both escape complete understanding…at least for me & for my husband.

I guess there comes a point in considering these “mysteries” that I acknowledge my limitations & “accept” that certain things are a bit beyond me, if I’m being truly honest.

Psalm 139:6
New International Version
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too lofty for me to attain.

That whole Psalm delves into the mysteries magnificently!

Cuppa Covfefe

HE was speaking to US as well as to Abraham (and Israel of his time), as well as to people in the future. Moreover it was a test of Abraham, and a foreshadowing of the Sacrifice of Jesus.

The Moslems twist it and say that Ishmael was to be sacrificed, but that’s typical of Mohammed’s “economy” of truth…

Isaiah 55:8-9: (KJV)

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

We don’t know GOD better than HE does, nor should we presume to put words in HIS mouth or correct HIM. GOD makes NO MISTAKES.

SteveInCO · Thermonuclear MAGA

Ah yes the Muslims.

Here’s what I think actually happened.

Mohammed had heard some thirdhand version of the stories from Genesis and Exodus. He told them as part of his preaching. He was claiming, after all to be the proper continuation of Judaism->Christianity.

Then in Medina he actually found himself in contact with Jewish communities, and of course his versions of the stories didn’t match what was in the Torah.

So he claimed that his versions were correct, and the Jewish versions had been “corrupted” by the Jews themselves. Judaism, as currently practiced, was corrupted; the original Jews basically were the same as present-day Muslims.

Which is why Muslims talk of “reverting” to their religion. In their minds it’s going back to the way it was supposed to be all along, the way Abraham, et. al., actually practiced it.

And of course, just one more reason to hate the Jews.

pat frederick

March 18, 2024 12:45 am
…” A former U.S. attorney who resigned last year amid a DOJ investigation into unethical conduct and who was once a top candidate touted by Joe Biden and Democrats, now has even more trouble coming her way.
Former U.S. Attorney Rachael Rollins was forced to resign in disgrace in May from her position as a U.S. attorney for Massachusetts after the Department of Justice launched a corruption investigation into her, WBUR reported at the time. And now, a year later, she has lost her law license.
Rollins’s beginning was far more auspicious when in July of 2021, Joe Biden and his Democrats nominated her for the position in the Old Bay State.
When the Biden administration nominated her for the position, for instance, Democratic senators Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren praised Rollins as “a great choice” who they were “proud to recommend.”…..

pat frederick

March 18, 2024 2:20 am

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BUT….Rollins was hired as a part-time professor recently at Roxbury Community College, becoming the highest-paid part-time professor at the college.
Marxist-chusettes democRATS… can we miss them when they NEVER go away ????
From The Boston Herald newspaper:
Rachael Rollins, forced to resign from her U.S. Attorney post in Boston, cracks the top 40 highest paid workers at Roxbury Community College. Her annual rate is $96,000 for a part-time gig — making her the highest paid half-time employee on the books, according to state payroll records.

Gail Combs

Roxbury is NOT a ‘nice place’

Demographics Quick Facts

  • The population density in Roxbury is 2% higher than Boston
  • The median age in Roxbury is 8% higher than Boston
  • In Roxbury 14.43% of the population is White
  • In Roxbury 60.93% of the population is Black
  • In Roxbury 1.35% of the population is Asian

17% of the population earn $10K or less
26% of the population earn $10K – $25K 

34.9% are Males AGES: 15 to 34 



CRIME (2022) Roxbury VS Boston per 100K pop
Violent crime 1,162 …….vs… 619
Property crime 2,897 ….vs… 1,802
TOTAL CRIME 4,059 …..vs… 2,421

75%  Total crime NAT. AVG.

214%  Violent crime NAT. AVG.

48%  Property crime NAT. AVG.

Cuppa Covfefe

Have to wonder what the other 23.29% of the population is… illegal immigrants, perhaps, or Mozzie invaders??? 😮

(OK, OK, I’ll go check the the link…)…

Aannndd from the table:

American Indian  0.82%
Native Hawaiian  0.03%
Mixed race        7.40%
Other race       15.05%

In Roxbury, 19.5% of people are of Hispanic or Latino origin.

From beyond the border(s), perhaps?

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Gail Combs

 Mozzie invaders would be considered ‘White’ or ‘Other Race’

White 14.43%
Black 60.93%
Asian 1.35%
American Indian 0.82%
Native Hawaiian 0.03%
Mixed race 7.40%
👉 Other race 15.05%

Cuppa Covfefe

Thanks; you replied before I could bold that… either way it seems the plague might be from down south-south-south (we say Süd-Süd-Südländers here…)…..

Gail Combs

The fact you have 43% of the population earning LESS than 25K a year AND 60% are Black means it is a very bad neighborhood.



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Cuppa Covfefe

Ugly down to the soul…..


What soul ?

Cuppa Covfefe

Everyone has a soul: the important thing is, to whom does it belong?

Joshua 24:15:
“but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Valerie Curren



The treacherous Judge has dead eyes as most do who sold their soul.

pat frederick

this guy was hired for the reparations committee in NY…

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Cuppa Covfefe

They HAVE a home: it’s called JORDAN!!!!!
Just because the Jordanian Royal family don’t want them doesn’t mean they don’t have a home. The other sons of Ishmael like to watch them swing in the wind…

Genesis 16:12:
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.


^^^ Truth.


One verse sure did nail it.

Some translations say, a wild donkey of a man.

Cuppa Covfefe

Yep. This one’s KJV.

Stubborn, wild, unreasonable, contentious, ne’er-do-well, and all manner of evil, such that he despises and is despised by his own brothers (and their descendants)…

And yet the Palis say there will be no peace in Israel until and unless they have their own land…. History has shown that the Arabs (mostly Moslems now) will give Israel no peace ever; indeed every time Israel has given up land, they’ve come out worse…

Of course, the YSM/MCM are preaching “a different gospel”…..

Valerie Curren

My brother used to work in an Arabic restaurant where he heard this:

me against my brother
me & my brother against my uncle
me & my brother & my uncle against my cousin
me & my brother & my uncle & my cousin against the world

this appears to be a generational mindset


One DNA test per person.

Cuppa Covfefe

Quick, where’s Buck?

(More to the point, where’s (and who’s) Carpathia… Wonder whose ancestors among the current top-of-the-deep-state-pyramid go all the way back to David…)…..

Happy go lucky

Me (one second ago): YAY it’s Friday

Me (just now): Aaaaannd it’s Monday

Dear Lord, help me run Your race today, and keep me from being sucked into the rat race. Amen.

pat frederick

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pat frederick


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That’s cool! Wonder how it works?

pat frederick

interesting theory

March 18, 2024 8:30 am

Maj-General Anthony Tata, a senior appointment in the late 2020 appointments of PDJT is also an author of political military novels. (I wonder where he gets his plot ideas). In Maj-Gen Tata’s book, Double Crossfire, the plot has the Senate President pro-tem becoming President in a subtle coup after the top 3 roles are suddenly vacated (Pres, VP, Speaker). Meanwhile, in real life…
RINO’s are quitting the House. Soon, the Dems could flip the House which means Dems take on the Speaker role. It’s argued that the Speaker can be an outsider, appointed to the role. All which means that the following real life plot becomes possible…
1. Enough RINO’s are retired so Dems flip the House
2. Dems take the Speaker role
3. Dems appoint a Very popular outsider as Speaker (eg it could be anybody from Taylor Swift to RFK jr)
4. VP Kakala Harris retires or is removed, and is not replaced, leaving VP vacant (or she is deemed ineligible to be President).
5. Biden is retired
6. With no VP (or Kakala deemed ineligible) the Very popular Speaker is appointed President for the months leading to the election.
7. Very popular Speaker does popular things just to attract votes… and suddenly, the 2024 election is not so Trump dominated.