“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
I have an urgent research request to my fellow QTreepers. I need to know if a drug called albuterol in particular, also known as salbutamol, and other similar “-ol” drugs more generally, and even the entire class of bronchodilators, are safe and effective in treating both active and especially *recovering* COVID-19 patients.
Such a drug seems like a no-brainer good guy. And yet – we are dealing with the CABAL. THE CABAL has tried to HIDE the good guys chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, and azithromycin. Only an active MOVEMENT OF THE WELL-INTENTION has broken past their media stranglehold on truth and the media cornucopia of lies.
I’ve seen far worse in the science world, where nobody except the fooled are watching.
Are there hidden DANGERS of using these drugs? Are there paradoxical effects? Have clinicians run into any problems using them? Are there reasons NOT to use them? Are there reasons why using them might APPEAR HELPFUL for COVID-19 but might in fact be CONTRAINDICATED or dangerous in certain cases?
After all, we are dealing with the CABAL here. They can mislead even the most well-intended scientists and physicians, by altering what they know and what they don’t know.
THINK QUARANTINE. THINK TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS. THINK CHLOROQUINE. THINK GLOBAL WARMING. THINK GREEN ENERGY.
The cabal has had the power to mislead even the “professionals”. I watched it up close in “shallow state”.
Sometimes the DEVIL YOU KNOW is less dangerous than the DEVIL YOU DON’T.
For the time being, given our national emergency, we are switching to DAILY COVID-19 threads instead of weekly threads. Your comments and updates are most welcome. PLEASE continue to include your valuable information, hard source links, and local observations on these COVID Daily Threads. Additionally, within these Daily Threads, we will try to include links to government and official pressers, so those who no longer have cable can remain informed.
We’ll get through this crisis, together. As a group, there is probably no one better prepared than we are.
For our newcomers: The Q Tree community has been diligent in covering the threat of Coronavirus, COVID19, Wuhan FLU. We started accumulating information about this virus in mid-late January, in what became almost weekly threads. We’ve been weeks, if not months, ahead of MSM outlets to vet rumors and other medical papers, etc.
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A Q Tree Reading Club discussion of an article by retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Steven L. Kwast, in the Hillsdale College “Imprimis”, entitled:
The Urgent Need for a United States Space Force
Between my intermittent war dances against “pencilneck” meddling (which of course are crazy, because obviously we’re the only life that a pro-life God would ever create – cough, COUGH, cOuGH) and my equally warlike antiwar sermons, people probably wonder WHAT THE HELL Wolf is thinking about SPACE.
Let’s just say that Wolf believes PEACE, FREEDOM, and INDEPENDENCE are not mutually incompatible. At ALL LEVELS.
So with that in mind, I wanted to bring everybody’s attention to a recent article which I found in my copy of “Imprimis” – one of the absolute best and most cutting-edge “Trumpian” publications out there.
Imprimis is one of the few publications I truly respect these days, and not only because I can just imagine the cultural Marxists snarking on a setting of BROIL about every issue. Imprimis is timely, and it’s intelligent, but most of all, it’s TRUMPIAN – meaning a VSG can read it and do a typical happy “Trump sniff” in agreement, and actually learn something from field specialists. I learn great stuff from Imprimis all the time, and I think you all can, too.
Imprimis is SORELY LACKING in “phony intellectualism” – you know – stuff like “let’s get rid of all cattle and bring back the buffalo herds”. That idea was known as the “buffalo commons” – and – well, you can tell just from the NAME where the idea came from.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there has been some “apologizing” and “mollifying” of said idea to make it sound less and less hare-brained over time, but let’s be honest – it’s perfectly exemplary of what I’m talking about. The promotion of this kind of thinking in academia is a big part of keeping humanity down, IMHO.
Now I LOVE buffalo for a LOT of reasons, but there is a special kind of academic tomfoolery which absolutely infects the left, and – JOY OF JOYS – you will find absolutely none of it – NONE OF IT – in Imprimis.
OK – let’s get even MORE sidetracked here.
I walk into Barnes and Noble, and I literally LAUGH – I mean I probably creep out the staff – when I look at the magazine rack. These people writing for FAKE INTELLECTUALISM like The Atlantic do not have a clue how NUTS they appear to somebody thinking logically in a post-Fake-News world.
I have no idea whether these people are going to slit their wrists over the demise of phony climate change – that socialist globalist hoax to create a fake carbon economy that NOBODY could ever figure out – or whether they will simply try to reverse the scam to global COOLING. If it’s the latter, prepare for them to proclaim that we now have to do the exact same nutty “deterraforming” (Who needs to kill the plants? – ASK THAT QUESTION) for a different reason, which I’m SURE they can groom a few new scientists into supporting, as they did for the “warming alibi”.
You starting to see how this works? SCIENTISTS! SHEEP! “BAAAAH! BAAAAH! BAAAAAAAAH!”
OH, I know – I saw it from the INSIDE.
It was all so simple. I tell you, these commies are GOOD at what they do.
ANYWHO….
This latest Imprimis is (or next to latest – I should have a new monthly copy any day) is great.
Please read this sucker, if you want to follow along with me now.
Now – let’s start on the ground floor.
At any Trump rally or on any Trump rally thread here, one of the BIGGEST crowd pleasers is ALWAYS when Trump says…..
SPACE FORCE!
Oh, wow – THE CROWD GOES WILD!
This is emotional. This is appeal to emotion. Yeah, it’s fun – but we can’t go spending billions or trillions of dollars based on emotions. LOGICAL THINKING FOR THE WIN.
However, it’s actually a complicated business. The truth is, even when we appeal to LOGIC – even when we engage in LOGICAL THINKING – we are still, to a great extent, appealing to emotions.
Generally, these are “cool” emotions – not so much “cold anger” or “cold fear”, but more like “cool hope”. Hope that there is no war. Hope that we can defend our way of life. Love of country, and the things we have valued all our lives. When we are LOGICALLY thinking about how to defend our way of life – and even our PLANET as a whole – we are thinking emotionally down at the base. It’s OK – just recognize it. Logic and emotion can coexist sanely. Especially if they’re GOOD EMOTIONS.
Here – practice a little self-psychology. See this image as “cool hope” and not “cold anger”.
Logical thinking. CALM but LOVING and HOPEFUL, logical thinking.
Now, consider the article.
I agree with all of the things that Lt. Gen. Kwast says in his defense of the idea of the Space Force, and the reason I want you to read this, is to see that there is great logic in what he is saying. If you operate from the conservative thinking that we share here, then almost all of what he’s saying is pretty much a no-brainer, other than figuring out HOW TO DO IT as fast as he thinks (and I think) we need to proceed.
In fact, my thinking is that “the other side” – loosely defined – is ALWAYS trying to slow down our work in space – to control it, to keep it penned in – to keep it subordinate to something which pretty much looks like the Chinese military at this point.
But set ALL of that aside.
I want to ADD some reasons to what Lt. Gen. Kwast is giving us.
I think that – from a “globalist” standpoint – meaning the standpoint of many of the OPPONENTS of President Trump – the most RESPONSIBLE nation needs to lead the way in space. And – quite frankly – and particularly under President Trump and Vice President Pence….
THAT IS US.
Yeah, I know it’s fashionable and vain and all “virtuous” and “virtue-signaling” on the LEFT to be self-deprecating under such circumstances. “Blame America First” and all that. But it’s not smart. BE REAL. China and India aren’t ready, they’re too self-centered, too grossly ambitious, and not going to give a good result for everybody. You KNOW it’s true, globalists. Russia? Well, frankly, they’ll do better following Trump than leading on their own. And you know THAT is true, too. Particularly when people get off Russia’s case, because they have no more sketchy plays, or any need to make them.
Likewise, on the right it’s fashionable – if not de rigueur – to state that OF COURSE America is THE BEST and yada yada yada, which – even if true – tends to become habit more than a carefully checked truth every time the argument is either needed or simply seems obvious. And America CAN BE and WILL BE stupid, on occasion, have no doubt, as Obama just proved to us.
Now I’m not one of these people who buys many arguments about Chinese inferiority and failure to invent, or be capable of invention. I just don’t buy it. I read a lot of scientific work by Chinese scientists and engineers in my day, and I never saw evidence of this AT ALL. Likewise, more recently, in studying how China has fooled the West over and over – NO – you’re not going to convince me that it’s just “Those Smart JOOZ(TM)” or “The Rothschilds(TM)” who are the actual brains behind China’s extraordinarily successful scamming of the West. Yeah, there are a bunch of Euro-Globos and Wall Streeters and Chinese and Muslims and “whatever” who are all “frenemies” and figuring out how to both ally with each other and beat the others at the same time, as they FEED on American wealth and good-natured victimhood. But if anything, I’d say that this alliance of SHARKS argues for equal membership in whatever school they’ve formed.
In any case, the Chinese ain’t stupid. In fact, they’re so smart, they MADE MANY OF US BELIEVE an extraordinary amount of superiority BULLSHIT while they LIFTED OUR WALLET.
OK? Let’s just be clear here.
Well, now that we’ve woken up just a bit – but are also operating under a President who authentically despises the waste of war, maybe NOW really is the time for us to LEAD SANELY ON SPACE, and SET AN EXAMPLE for everybody else.
You will note, I hope, that the American military gets less war-like, and more authentically defense-oriented, all the time. This is a good thing. So frankly, I would say that now is the time to let that kind of thinking SET THE TONE for space for the next century. Not the kind of global “dupe thinking” we’ve had at one extreme, nor the kind of “shoot ’em at Roswell” thinking that undoubtedly sends pencil-necked peaceniks into a tizzy.
RESPONSIBILITY.
Somebody has to lead with it. AND – right now – I think the best candidate to do so is US.
…..without the STINKIEST BAITS that will STAY ON THE HOOK…..
…..And Maybe Some IRREGULAR WARFARE.
NOW – some people may not have the stomach for the fight…..
…..But WOLF MOON ain’t one of ’em! So STAND BACK, as WARPATH WOLF is putting his INFORMATION GUNS behind our great COMMANDER *AND* CHIEF…..
…..Sit back and drink it all in, as WOLF MOON argues for TOTAL WAR NOW against the corruption, making DRAIN THE SWAMP our battle cry to clean out every last one of these LEGAL POSERS who have brought SOVIET “JUSTICE” to AMERICA and imposed it on an unwilling occupation populace.
Yes, my friends. Now. RIGHT NOW is the TIME….
To chase these corrupt, criminal, socialist Democrat BERNIE BROS and BERNIE SISTERS completely OUT OF DOJ!!!
OK. Let’s take this a bit slower, for those who don’t understand why NOW is the time to lay waste to the communists and traitors embedded in DOJ.
In the language of fishing, they have TAKEN THE BAIT.
Before I explain what I BELIEVE we need to do next, you have to understand what kind of BOTTOM FEEDERS we are dealing with.
These people are LAYERS OF TRAPS – wicked DIRTY COPS like James Comey and Bob Mueller – BAD PROSECUTORS like Andrew Weissmann – CORRUPT JUDGES like Amy Berman and Tanya Chutkan.
They have been infiltrating DOJ and the Judicial branch for a LONG TIME, often under their favorite cover – as a sympathetic, pliable, pobricito or pobrecita member of a liberal protected class – you know – such as Janet Reno, who wouldn’t hurt a fly…..
…..who ushered in Eric Holder – the communist radical who was most responsible for compromising DOJ during the Clinton administration…..
These people LOOK for opportunities to SET PEOPLE UP and then SILENCE them, CONTROL them, or GET RID OF THEM.
I have been dealing with these people for a LONG time. If you want to BEAT them, you have to BLOW UP THEIR TRAPS. You have to make the entrapment BACKFIRE spectacularly.
The way FISH do this to HUMANS is by nibbling the bait but not actually taking it. Fishing is basically a contest between WARY fish who try to CON humans into giving them food, and HUMANS trying to CON fish into taking an easy meal that turns the FISH into THEIR MEAL.
But if the fish REALLY want to get some JUSTICE, they…..
take the bait
pull the fisherman into the water
drag the rod and reel off into the depths
tie the fishing line hopelessly in the underwater brush
spit out the hook
break water in a huge splash, showing everybody WHO’S THE FUCKIN’ BOSS
And when BOTH SIDES are HUMANS, it becomes more evenly matched, and you can have REAL fishing for the fisherman, as the TRUMP FISH catches the OBAMA-HOLDER-LYNCH DOJ FISHERMAN fishing illegally and out of season, and SENDS THEM ALL TO JAIL.
Yes, you thought fishing was simple, but it’s actually a complicated business.
Something that is very important here is not to react to ALINSKY FEARS.
Yeah, THAT Alinsky.
Alinsky reminded his fellow COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS that “fear of the thing is greater than the thing”, and thus that they should at all times instill FEAR in the other side, even when “they don’t have a damn thing”.
Sound familiar?
Alinsky fear-mongering works really well on people who can best be described as “concernies“. However, it DON’T WORK ON DA WOOF. And I want it to NOT WORK ON YOU, TOO.
One really has to learn to ignore – at an emotional level – absolutely ALL fear-casting by Communist Democrats. Take it all in logically, evaluate it logically, and ACT logically, but…..
IGNORE ALINSKY FEARS.
Trust me – I’ll take an honest pro-life lava monster that just wants to lay eggs in peace over Communist Democrat baby-killing LIARS any day of the week – PAST or FUTURE.
BUT HARK – let us get back to the question of “WHY NOW?”.
Well, now I have to remind you of my last post, in which I explained how we have these Communist Democrats OVER A BARREL on *THEIR* RUSSIAN COLLUSION, thanks to Jussie K. Liu.
It is now very important to RECONFIGURE YOUR THINKING about what is going on in Washington. They are going to try to distract you with LOOK, SQUIRREL….. when the thing you should really be looking at is the LIU-K, WOLFE! President Trump, in firing (in two brilliant steps) the CORRUPT Jessie K. Liu, has just …
This prior post was based on the great work of SUNDANCE at THE LAST REFUGE, who spotted the most significant Jussie Liu cover-up of them all – the JAMES WOLFE LEAK.
Yeah, she is guilty of a LOT – the Awan Brothers cover-up, the many Stone injustices, and much, much more, but the Wolfe leak and where that leads is a MINEFIELD for Communist Democrats, because it reverses the bogus “first attempted impeachment” charge of “Russian collusion” and – OMG – it makes it REAL.
Only it’s THE DAMN DEMOCRATS who did it!
Notice that I said – more or less – that “Roger Stone is the distraction”, and “Mark Warner’s collusion with Putin’s errand-boy Dirtypasta to set up Trump is what they are distracting from”.
I repeat more slowly.
COLLUSION.
OF DEMOCRATS.
WITH RUSSIANS.
TO SET UP TRUMP.
And this would include the Jussie Liu cover-up of – O. M.G. – the real mission of one Maria Butina from some place called Russia.
Seems I talked about this a while back. WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW.
One of THE BEST windows into Russia’s REAL position on the 2016 election is Vladimir Putin’s “NRA spy”, Maria Butina. Yeah, I will admit that I think this gal is smoking hot, in a Euro-floozy, Moscow-to-Washington-to-Tennessee, mail-order mama, “I fell in love at a gun show” way. But that’s not the only reason I love …
I urge you to read the above post. GOOD GRIEF was I “on target”. I even called out Jussie Liu, and I had completely forgotten about it! (Of course, I didn’t call her “Jussie” back then, because Kamala Harris and Corey Booker hadn’t teamed up with Jussie “Red Diaper” Smollett at that point.) Heck – I even forgot about the Russian asset who tried to work on me after Sandy Hook! [Note that I did NOT mention FACEBOOK’S separate role in the Sandy Hook plot in this article – that’s an interesting story, too. I’ll save THAT for later.]
Back to the “Stone deflection”.
I’m not saying that we can’t beat the Communist Democrats to an absolute PULP over Roger Stone.
We CAN, and we SHOULD.
But we must not forget the REALLY BIG CRIMES – which the Communist Democrats are desperately trying to distract us from.
The reason you can tell they absolutely want to hide the “Wolfe Leake”, is (1) Democrats in the House and Senate ONLY want to talk about Roger Stone, and (2) nobody will even breathe a word of response to the Wolfe Leak cover-up and Warner collusion related to it. It’s TOO EXPLOSIVE. The TALKING POINTS don’t even exist.
Maybe PUTIN and XI don’t have them ready yet. I don’t know – ASK JUSSIE LIU. Maybe SHE knows.
And remember – Dianne “Chi-Fi” Feinstein is only a breath away from that same corrupt intelligence committee (the SSCI) on which she served previously, all the while with a Chinese spy as her OFFICE MANAGER.
As Wheatie always reminds us…..
WHATEVER THE DAMN DEMS DID WITH RUSSIA, WHAT THE DAMN DEMS DID WITH CHINA WAS A THOUSAND TIMES WORSE.
I have a rule of thumb for FINDING THE FISH now. Including the LARGEMOUTH ASS.
All we have to do is look at all the things that little Jussie Liu covered up, side-tracked, sabotaged, or derailed, to find what it is we need to bring down the Communist Democrat criminal axis in DOJ.
So – we could WAIT for the Democrats to SPIT OUT THE HOOK…..
NAH. I don’t think so.
Oh, do they want impeachment again?
SET THE DAMN HOOK!!!
IMPEACHMENT AHOY!!!
And while we’re at it, SET THE ROD, TOO!!!
W
PS – I think Schumer is worried.
"Does anyone think it's out of the question that Pres. Trump might order the FBI to investigate Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden or anybody else?" Sen. Chuck Schumer asks.
We still don’t have a firm handle on this virus. The uncertainty leads to fear in a general population. Within this thread, we will share everything we know, culled from multiple sources. Thank you to all who contribute.
Bullet point items:
Cruise Ship docked and quarantined in Japan Diamond Princess, docked off Yokohama: now has 454 infected persons. Americans evacuate from the ship are testing positive, now quarantined at a military base in Texas.
Taxi Cab drivers and physicians reported the problem in Wuhan as early as December 8th-9th.
Official Death toll is 1,775 (Updated 8:00am Eastern, February 13, 2020) (could be thousands more)
In China, 70,553 confirmed cases (could be thousands to millions) with over 71,810 confirmed worldwide (Updated 8:00am Eastern, February 17, 2020)
Hardest hit is Hubei province, healthcare system is overloaded, but we’re seeing death tolls reported from Jilin, to Sichuan, to Guangdong to Chongqing – it’s all over China.
More contagious than Seasonal Flu, Spanish Flu, or SARS.
WHO team was allowed into China February 9th. USA has been offering assistance to China since January 6th.
USA delivered 100 million dollars of AID to China to battle the virus.
Approximately 80% of China’s export economy is shut down.
The Chinese central bank plans to pump $22 billion into the economy amid reports that the coronavirus or COVD19 will lower the expected growth of China’s economy from 2.1% to 1.2%. Farmers are having problems getting trucks to take their food supplies into towns for deliver…… system shutdown.
Under pressure from leadership, the Apple factory reopened…. but only 10% of the workforce showed up for duty. Other province governors have barred companies from reopening.
China agreed to “half” their tariffs on US goods, looking for economic relief from the USA
Economic impact on China will be severe
Japan’s economy contracted 1.6% as they face Coronavirus.
South Korea shut down their Hyundai plant due to lack of parts manufactured in China.
Statistics and information coming out of China are highly questionable.
A map of Chinese provinces will help us get oriented within the country.
War Room Pandemic is a weekday show, done by Steve Bannon, Jason Miller, and Raheem Kassan. They were on the story before anyone else and their guests are helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDBxESl_m1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLS1uKAecKU
Exceptionally valuable information is found in Pandemic Episode 15. Rosemary Gibson, Senior Advisor to the Hastings Center, took three years to investigate the state of Americas pharmaceuticals, culminating in the book “China RX”. Did you know the last aspirin factory in the USA closed down in 2004? Did you know that the USA can no longer MAKE Vitamin C? Did you know tainted heparin from China cause many deaths of American citizens….. it was Made in China. And did you know that our politicians have known about the problem/national security/health security for decades?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS7c_vqU4M4
Also within this program is an interview with Mike Bowen, Senior VP and owner of Prestige Ameritech, the last manufacturer of N-95 Medical Grade Masks in the USA. It’s an interview which will make you scream in frustration, and cry because of the ineptness of our bureaucrats and trade policies……. The facility used to supply about 79% of the market in the USA until purchased by Kimberly Clark….. shut down and shipped overseas, losing thousands of jobs and endangering Americans. It’s a must watch.
Gail Combs, fellow Treeper, is one of our best researchers. I believe she is a physicist. Wish I could give you her whole bio, yet this is the internet.… Gail has agreed to compile valuable info for us all, found below. Thank you, Gail! And thank you to BakoCarl for more resource links!
WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE CHINESE CORONA VIRUS.
1. China does not have enough tests kits to document all suspected cases. The test can easily show a negative for people with the disease. Politically, China has good reason to lie. Also since it is a deep lung infection a cheek or throat swap can give a false positive. Coughed up sputum gives 11% more positives.
2. The virus attaches to ACE2 expressers deep in the lungs. Men have 4 times as many ACE2 expressers as women and are 3 times as likely to get it. Asians have 5 times as many as Africans/Europeans.
In early stats, (Jan2 – 41 people) less than half had underlying diseases BUT it does affect those with chronic inflammatory diseases including diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease (probably asthma too.)
3. Those without symptoms or with very mild symptoms can spread it. It can be spread via coughs, contact surfaces and with feces. Diarrhea is one of the possible symptoms. (Not good for San Fran-feces.)
Surface Survival of the Virus https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQCd7TEUUAAOxw_.jpg
4. We do not know how many without symptoms may have come over on early flights. Running a temperature many not appear immediately after contact with the virus. ”mean incubation period to be 6.4 (5.6 – 7.7, 95% CI) days, ranging from 2.1 to 11.1 days” https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.27.20018986v2
Revised: 6.4 –> 5.2 days. (~5 to 7 days) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.02.20020016v1
”….time in hospital prior to death 10+ days I think for most of them…. …I have seen several references that said about 25% of confirmed cases get serious complications and something like 15% end up in ICU.” – Larry L.
76% of the confirmed 2019-nCov cases from 1 hospital in Wuhan required oxygen therapy.
5. According to MedCram US CDC/hospitals are using a SWAB (throat?) and 11 out of 178 tested positive. The problem is a throat or cheek swab while simpler to obtain, give false negatives while sputum samples are more reliable. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4187748/ https://www.who.int/csr/disease/coronavirus_infections/LaboratoryTestingNovelCoronavirus_21Dec12.pdf
6. The first victim here in the USA required a long hospital stay of at least 2 weeks. He was still coughing after two weeks and therefore probably still infectious.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP2vCFiWsAAO_Rp.jpg
7. People the most at risk are 50 years and over with pre-existing chronic inflammatory diseases. (Patriot Nurse)
Mortality by age comparison between MERS, SARS and 2019-nCoV https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPezgqvXkAExryP.jpg
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) summed it up this way:
…the Wuhan coronavirus has three features:
♦️ it is an RNA virus that mutates easily, ♦️ it is more contagious than SARS, ♦️ and it can spread from an asymptomatic person.
This means that even someone who has recovered from the virus can transmit it, making it more difficult to curb its spread.
As a result, Hsieh said it is possible that the virus could stay dormant in the body after recovery and come back to haunt the host in winter or when their immune system is weakened…. *
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3869848
CONCLUSION The virus is probably ‘free’ here in the USA. I t is more severe for men, especially older men and older people with chronic inflammatory disease. It requires a long hospital stay. Children may show little sign of the disease.
THEREFORE the goal is to prevent rapid spread of the disease especially to those over 50 so the hospitals are not overwhelmed. IF the system is overwhelmed the elderly WILL NOT GET CARE!
triage 1a: the sorting of and allocation of treatment to patients and especially battle and disaster victims according to a system of priorities designed to maximize the number of survivors https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/triage
PREVENTION ~ MINIMIZING CONTACT
If you are older stay away from your grand kids! Larry L. suggested a 3 – 6 foot distance from other people, a pathologist suggests 6 to 9 feet.
MASKS ”There is a minimum effective infectious dose. Greater doses increases the likelihood of infection. This also affects the incubation period. The lower the exposure, the longer the time needed for the infection to get going internally; and with that, the longer it will be before that person becomes infections and/or shows symptoms. Recall that most symptoms are due to activation of the immune system, and not from the infection itself.” — cdquarles
For the painter/farmer masks: (N95 or N100) 3m has p100 filters with no sorbents, such as #2091, and then I saw ‘improved’ version #2291 I think. The 2091 are bright fuscia. I think I’ve seen people ambulating near Stanford hospital sporting these as facial fashion. Much easier to breath, and very comfortable with the 7502 ‘faceplate’. I had no sense of ‘rebreathing’ or claustro.
Many people wonder what they can do to NOT get the virus. If we think of Coronavirus like a “super-flu”, it makes sense to follow good general hygiene principles, eat well, and get plenty of rest. Here are some extra hints from Gail.
NUTRITION TO OPTIMIZE IMMUNE SYSTEM High dose Vit C for anti viral activity.
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 30, 2020 recomends, VERY HIGH levels of Vitamin C.
Please read the whole article. At the bottom are references and recommended reading.
In summary:
What dosage? Vitamin C fights all types of viruses. Although the dose should truly be high, even a low supplemental amount of vitamin C saves lives. This is very important for those with low incomes and few treatment options. For example, in one well-controlled, randomized study, just 200 mg/day vitamin C given to the elderly resulted in improvement in respiratory symptoms in the most severely ill, hospitalized patients. And there were 80% fewer deaths in the vitamin C group. [7] …The sicker a person was, the more ascorbic acid they would tolerate orally without it causing diarrhea. In a person with an otherwise normal GI tract when they were well, would tolerate 5 to 15 grams of ascorbic acid orally in divided doses without diarrhea….. But to best build up our immune systems, we need to employ large, orthomolecular doses of several vital nutrients. The physicians on the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service review board specifically recommend at least 3,000 milligrams (or more) of vitamin C daily, in divided doses. Vitamin C empowers the immune system and can directly denature many viruses. It can be taken as ascorbic acid (which is sour like vinegar), either in capsules or as crystals dissolved in water or juice. It can also be taken as sodium ascorbate, which is non-acidic. To be most effective, it should be taken to bowel tolerance. This means taking high doses several (or many) times each day. See the references below for more information….
Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)…..
Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)…..
Zinc is a powerful antioxidant and is essential for many biochemical pathways. It has been shown to be effective in helping the body fight infections. [20,21] A recommended dose is 20-40 mg/day for adults….
Selenium:100 mcg (micrograms) daily…..
B-complex vitamins and vitamin A: A multivitamin tablet with each meal will supply these conveniently and economically….. Nutritional supplements are not just a good idea. For fighting viruses, they are absolutely essential
From a fellow Q-Treeper (sorry I did not keep the Id) I have added the studies verifying the claims.
A VERY over-simplified version of how viruses work, immune boosting, and what you can do NOW. This is esp helpful for at risk age groups, but good for everyone.
Those spikes you see on virus pics allow it to puncture your cell wall and use the inside of your cell for food. Immune boosters help strengthen your cell wall, among other things.
ELDERBERRY SYRUP – (Sambucus n.) Strengthens your cell walls, and is shown to bind to flu viruses, preventing them from invading cells and replicating.
ASTRAGALUS – Helps increase the bodies production of interferon, and, reduces water retention.
ECHINACEA p. – Provides inulin, which improves white cells ability to fight in part by increasing properdin, increases and activates white cells, signals the body to release interferon. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4058675/
VITAMIN C – Helps the red blood cells transport oxygen thru the body. Your lymphatic system runs along (mostly) the same paths that your blood vessels use. However, your lymph system doesn’t have a “pump” the way your blood vessels have your heart to move things along. Your lymphatic system helps with your blood system to drain out the debris from your dead cell walls, dead virus cell, and white cells, etc. Keeping your lymphatic system clear of debris is why you are told to drink lots of fluids when you get sick. That junk needs to be urinated out, to keep the lanes clear for more white cells to attack the virus. There are also simple excercises that “pump” your lymphatics. These are all online. If you catch a virus, there are more things to add that may help.
So, if you get sick: INCREASE YOUR IMMUNE BOOSTERS!!! like, every couple hours or so. Drink LOT of fluids
NETTLES – Anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory, and diuretic. Is helpful with drying up runny noses, too!
…Phenolic compounds could be defined as biologically active and herbal and have positive effects on health. The scientific researches are increased about the positive effect of phenolic compounds into coronary heart disease and high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, inflammative, viral and parasitic disease, psychotic disorders…
For fever, Tylenol or Motrin. Some people don’t do fever control, as the higher temperatures help kill the virus, but I have seen seizures happen from this, so I think fever control is a good thing. Also, if your body is fight aches and fever, those are cells which can be helping fight the virus instead. Again, very over-simplified, but some steps you can be taking NOW, and some herbs you can look into to see what may work for you and yours.
I recommend looking for the scientific studies (pro and con) that actually support the claims of any health remedy not prescribed by a doctor as I have done above.
DISCLAIMER: I am a chemist and not a doctor. This is just a compilation from comments at both sites that may be of interest to readers. Think for your self!
