“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This TWO PROBE TUEDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
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Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
AND THESE FIVE WORDS FOR OUR LOYAL VSGPOTUS…..
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!
Always keep our movement’s larger purpose in mind – RESTORATION!!!
That is why there MUST BE the DRAINING of the SWAMP!!!
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
REMEMBER….
Russiagate is now MUHRUSSIAGATE.
This guy went after FBI corruption & ties to mob in Boston. Stepped in to help clear 4 innocent men convicted of murder. Whitey Bulger case. Hooray.
This THROUGH THE THICK OF THINGS AND THANKFUL THURSDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
I’m not sure if this is *strictly* analogous, but to me, the FLAMING END of the “Muh Russia” insanity is much like the famed Battle of Midway.
This was the TIDE-TURNER. The AMERICAN forces have now put the “treason cabal” on defense.
It was rough for a while. If you remember what our side went through in 2017, before the arrival of QAnon – AFTER the attack on Las Vegas – then you understand.
And yet even that first year with Q helping us – from October 2017 to November of 2018 – was not easy. Not at all.
Then, in November of 2018, we were forced to “leave port” from Treeperville. As fate would have it, a profoundly positive event. I believe that we have inflicted MORE damage on the enemy, as part of the Q formation, than we could have possibly accomplished in our old one. In any event, the combined forces of MAGA have finally won what should be the decisive battle of the war.
The FORCED RULING of the MUELLER REPORT – the INESCAPABLE CONCLUSION of President Trump’s entire administration’s INNOCENCE – delivered late, after the STEALING OF THE HOUSE by the COMMUNIST & CRIMINAL DEMOCRATS…..
THAT was our Midway.
Now it’s time to finish the job. Not easy, not fast, not certain. But POSSIBLE and – GOD WILLING – soon.
So SAY YOUR PRAYERS….
Both in THANKS for the past and in HOPE for the future….
And let’s start moving those crates of ammunition.
Is “Second Strzok” David Bowdich an “Untouchable” or a “New McCabe”?
And is Lisa Page an Intelligence Idiot or the Super-Spy Who Fooled Congress?
I was wondering why I was picking up heat of certain extremely interesting kinds.
Starting and maintaining this troublesome little website was bound to cause annoyance in DC, but I was surprised when that heat took on a characteristically federal nature that suggested the FBI was involved.
The actors (COUGH, COUGH) were not interested in information that might solve America’s problems. They seemed interested in information that might solve THEIR problems. WE being a part of those problems. ME being a particular one of those problems.
Interesting.
If people are starting to understand why I’m taking precautions to preserve this site in my absence, now you’re likely getting ideas why precautions are necessary.
Q said “You have more than you know.” He was NOT lying.
In a prior post, here, I talked about certain principles of information reversal that are particularly useful for what the other side is up to, blame-casting THEIR commie collusions on President Trump. It all gets very confusing, but I think that stating those ideas once again is useful.
First, the general principle:
The CLOSER the straw-man [accusation] can be arranged, FACTUALLY, to the REALITY being covered up, the EASIER the defense, because the STORY is closer to the REALITY, and pieces of the REALITY can be used as “proof” of the STORY – particularly if the STORY is advanced FIRST and the disentangled REALITY is posited LATER in defense.
This is then followed by three corollaries:
Counterintelligence is the perfect place for this sort of intrigue, since counterintelligence amounts to infiltration of infiltration, staying infinitely close to the original infiltration. Basically, getting CLOSE to the REALITY with a DECEPTION is part of the game, so counterintelligence is a natural place to SEED this kind of defense.
The ploy of reversed accusation becomes even easier and possibly even necessary if the enemy actually IS colluding with the accusing compromised or corrupted counterintelligence. This allows the enemy to “assist” the lies of the other side’s compromised counterintelligence, keeping them in place. This means that the counterintelligence people, if corrupted by the enemy, can then be “helped” by the enemy – in schemes exactly like what we are observing. Like I said, “19” [money dump plausibly matching amount offered to Carter Page] may have been a gift from Russia with love, or at least alliance.
One of the first places that should be subverted by the enemy, both directly and indirectly, is counterintelligence.
THOSE were followed by some ideas that bring it all back to
COMEYWORLD:
The Hillary email cover-up by the SAME participants as in the FRAMING of Trump, is the BEGINNING of the revelation of the other half of the story – the COVER-UP. The TIGHTNESS of the same cast of characters in the Mueller cover-up fake investigation and the HRC email exoneration / cover-up is a kind of give-away of the theory I posited earlier.
Go back and review what I said, if it doesn’t make sense. It should. You can also see why the interception of the plot – by releasing text messages of Page and Strzok to force them out of the Mueller probe – was clearly the result of extremely skilled “IG-type work” in counter-intelligence. It’s not about the messages. It’s about the plot.
Wolf Moon, “The Framing of a President as the Cover-Up of Treason”
NOW – if you understand why POPPING STRZOK and McCABE out of the FBI was so important to bringing the continuing Hillary MADNESS roughly half-way to a close, you will understand the importance of what SUNDANCE – and unknown patriots who got some of Lisa Page’s information to him – just did.
He’s using “same-player” to MAKE A BUST.
First things first, I *URGE* you to read this post by Sundance.
Leaked Transcripts from Lisa Page Provide Some Stunning Revelations…
Sundance makes some extremely important points that show we now have a half-full glass of MAGA, where previously many saw it either empty or full. And it was the PERSISTENCE of our Granular Brother who found the key which unlocks the mystery. And maybe opens a new one.
“Really it’s the people that met with Jim Comey. Those are the only people that were really the same with respect to both teams. So it’s the same general counsel, the same deputy general counsel, me, Mr. McCabe, Dave Bowdich. The EAD for National Security Branch changed, but that was just because of regular personnel turnover.
Lisa Page, emphasis by Sundance
Many of us were trying to figure out how David Bowdich rose to the level of Deputy FBI Director under Chris Wray. [Bowdich was previously the FBI field office head for the San Bernardino terrorist attack investigation in California] Now we see that Bowdich was at the center of the small group in Washington DC who were doing the Trump investigation. This reconciles why the current FBI is blocking the release of the witness transcripts. Do you remember who told congress a few weeks ago that any transcript releases may interfere with the Mueller investigation?…
Sundance, emphasis by Wolf Moon
Bowdich, I believe, is key. I had earlier thought that my “heat” might have Muellerish origins, but what if we have a “New McCabe” in place – WELLLLLL, that would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?
I am not automatically convinced that Bowdich is crooked, because I tend to think that Wray is a straight-shooter, and would pick straight-shooters. I differ with utmost respect with Sundance on this point. But straight-shooters often have certain weaknesses, and one of them is being somewhat manipulable – particularly in a corrupt institution. Bowdich has taken DOWN corrupt institutions. But has he ever stopped to think that he might have worked IN ONE for DECADES?
It’s a weird feeling.
Bowdich isn’t just connected to the sketchy San Bernardino “event” – he’s also connected to a prior sketchy incident – the “LAX shooter” named Paul Ciancia (you know – as in “CIA ‘n’ CIA”) who rescued TSA from public weariness single-handedly.
Note how Bowdich “graduated” from this sketchy event to the next one in San Bernardino. ALL THE WAY TO TRUMP.
Now I’m not saying this guy is a bad guy. But I think there are several possibilities.
(1) Bowdich may have been closely observed by the McCabians to make sure he didn’t get any career-killing “conspiracy theory” ideas about sketchy events. He may have been brought forward precisely because he was “safe”. But that also means he has a blind spot that a CIA panel truck can drive right through, any time it wants. Of course such a person could be talked into reverso WRONG investigations like Trump or (COUGH) other people. This would explain a lot.
(2) Bowdich was “read in” on the sketchy gun grab events, and knew exactly why this stuff straight out of Bill Cooper was happening. He is then most likely exactly as Sundance is calling it – covering stuff up because of knowledge.
(3) Bowdich was NOT read in BEFORE, but is now aware of what the heck is going on, and he is covering up things for strategic reasons we don’t know, which could be good or bad. All bets are off, here. There is a possibility of UNTOUCHABLE, and things are getting interesting.
Bottom line – David Bowdich is a new variable that could be anywhere from “New McCabe” to “Untouchable”. And we know he’s covering up stuff for SOME reason.
I love the way I can “speculate well out ahead” of where Sundance’s more painstaking and granular approach goes, but when you need highly directed sunlight, his laser focus cannot be beat. So let’s start off with the FINALE to his post:
There’s a hell of a lot more to be learned from the Lisa Page testimony, specifically about the role of the CIA in the overall operation…
However, for me personally, her outline of Bowdich in the main FBI DC office -as connected to the larger investigation- completes an annoyingly missing puzzle piece.
DAG Rod Rosenstein was hired by President Trump at the direction of, and request of, AG Jeff Sessions. Rosenstein then recommended that President Trump hire FBI Director Chris Wray (a transparently useful idiot)….. Director Wray then hired David Bowdich as his deputy AND re-hired Dana Boente as FBI chief-legal-counsel.
The picture we get here is how the 2015/2016 officials within the corrupt DOJ and FBI enterprise, were put into higher office in the Trump administration 2017/2018; and those same officials are currently occupying positions that allow them to keep their prior corrupt activity hidden.
This whole thing is FUBAR.
Sundance, his emphasis
Let me re-emphasize something from that:
“However, for me personally, her outline of Bowdich in the main FBI DC office – as connected to the larger investigation – completes an annoyingly missing puzzle piece.” –Sundance, my emphasis
Good G_d in Heaven, I could have written those words myself. Although I am talking about a certain SMALLER investigation.
I *knew* it was Radium Rod coming at me, but I just didn’t know HOW he was doing it. I thought that the MUELLER SHOW was the only BAD ACT in FBI Town. And the Mueller Show had ZERO plausible rhyme or reason to go after me. Oh, yeah, they can put RUSSIANS into anybody’s world (COUGH, COUGH, note previous corollaries), but they can’t really mix them with Trump, so that part sucks for them.
There is no REVERSO to set up a STRAW MAN to go after me. There are ways to do REVERSO – as was done on Trump – but it’s more tied to CANKLES and OBAMA and OTHER THINGS.
So how does Q say it? “BOOM!”? I think that’s the proper expression.
As soon as I saw that we could potentially have a NEW McCABE in place, or somebody who could be bamboozled by OLD McCABES – as in McCabe’s finest “leavings”, everything started making SENSE. They don’t HAVE to go through Mueller – they can do reverso on other things.
And it’s not like they didn’t try that ALREADY.
If Q know what I mean.
Certain people have a NEW COVER-UP needed, AND they need to shut me up about everything ELSE we talk about here.
WHATEVER. I simply want to thank Sundance for providing the key that solves the mystery. NOW I know where my friends and fellow patriots can point their fingers, should I not return in a most excellent condition to this blog, after my brief (yes, brief) absence.
Now – one more thing I notice about Lisa Page. Originally I had this gal pegged for some kind of CIA super-asset that was using Strzok like her personal, Hillary-electing, “spot massage” device. Little did I realize, it was the OTHER WAY AROUND on CIA connections. But I’m STILL on the fence about whether this woman is (1) a dope and a dupe, or (2) an extremely cunning super-spy who has Congress totally bamboozled.
Two CIA bots in the sack? Don’t get me started. In the sack is where everybody wants everybody. Well, not quite. But I digress.
This LEAK may mean it’s the latter – she’s TROUBLE and somebody KNOWS IT, and they needed to LEAK IT. If it’s true that BOWDICH hid her testimony because of what I’m going to say, then things get interesting.
I begin.
After reading that Lisa Page worked for Bruce Ohr for years, I started to think that maybe she really was just some poor cog in the machine, not qualified for counterintelligence, swept up as a desirable dupe in a non-functional, or better yet, reverse-purposed FBI.
But then OH MY GOD – you simply cannot get closer to Russia on this side of the Atlantic than Nellie Ohr, Russia researcher and specialist, with more downstate New York red commie ties than I can shake a stick at. The fact that she almost perfectly parallels ANOTHER “spent some time in Russia” lady academic who is deeply connected to both American communists and the Tree of Life synagogue shooting – well, that is even more worrisome to me. All these weird “puppets of Russia” or sketchy Russians working on the fringes of plots against Trump – it’s just so WEIRD.
[I keep working on the fascinating Tree of Life / Russia post, but it keeps getting delayed. SOON. Hopefully whoever was on my computer in a white hatty way while I was researching that is ahead of me.]
No matter whether Lisa Page is a dupe or a super-spy, I think that the plotters thought she was SAFE. She is either safe because she’s super-unqualified and a DUPE, or safe because she’s super-devious.
We really need to find out WHICH.
Here is the key that proves something is up. This is an extensive quote from Jeff Carlson’s article in The Epoch Times, citing Lisa Page:
Page Denies Bias, But Says FBI Focused More on Trump Than Clinton
Page steadfastly maintained there was no bias present in either the Clinton-email investigation or the Trump-Russia investigation on the part of anyone within the FBI or the DOJ and went to some lengths to illustrate that, in general, FBI personnel don’t like most of the people they tend to investigate.
At the same time, Page repeatedly and openly admitted to placing a greater emphasis and weight on the Trump-Russia investigation than the Clinton-email investigation:
“If you were weighing resources with respect to which poses a graver threat to national security, which is more, frankly, important, there is no doubt—at least in mine or anybody else’s mind that I know—that the Russia investigation posed an incredible threat to national security, and whether we got into the Weiner laptop simply did not.”
Page returned to this topic several times:
“The notion that there might be more emails that have not previously been seen that existed on Hillary Clinton’s email server just simply don’t even enter into the realm of the same room of seriousness. The Clinton investigation involved activities that had taken place 3 years prior. It’s an entirely historical investigation.”
“In the assessment of the Counterintelligence Division, they still don’t even come close to the threat posed if Russia had co-opted a member of a political campaign.”
Jeff Carlson, The Epoch Times, citing Lisa Page
To me, this is MIND-BLOWINGLY BACKWARDS. A long-term criminal threat going BEHIND THE DESK in the Oval Office is 1,000,000 times worse than some slightly Russified POLITICAL HACK going into a campaign – EVEN as an adviser.
She. Is. LYING.
The question is WHY.
What she is saying is garbage, and needs an explanation. And if that explanation has anything to do with David Bowdich, it had better be because Q is not bullshit and Wray is turning around the FBI underneath all these fuckers, and Page has to hide what is really going on. Otherwise just call out the tanks.
There is no comparison. If Hillary Clinton obstructed the FBI in a criminal fashion [HELLO, STONETEAR], likely done to hide international crimes up to and including espionage, this is INFINITELY more dangerous than Trump having some happy dupe named Carter Page working for him (assuming the most likely REAL threat by Carter Page was being a Russian dupe). In fact, even the scenario of “Carter Page = Carlos” compares at microscopic levels to the enormous problem of “Hillary Clinton = Ethel Rosenberg”.
Are we all seeing this?
And NONE of this takes into account the absolutely historically incorrect nature of the Lisa Page argument. She even USES the word “historical”. Holy FUCK – that’s ballsy.
Espionage is fought and won in the PAST – not the future. Hillary *herself* has MOUNTAINS of sketchy past that the FBI was IGNORING at every turn. And the’re worried about an adviser on the FRINGE of the Trump campaign in the FUTURE? Seriously?
This is CRAP. It is the most brazen form of bullshittery imaginable.
And this woman is making counterintelligence decisions?
Does everybody see what I’m saying? Page is either stupid or lying.
Could they REALLY have picked somebody THAT STUPID for this job?
I could be very wrong about that, but I’m starting to think this woman is lying her ass off here. I’m starting to think she is PLAYING DUMB ON HILLARY.
But let’s assume for a moment that Lisa Page IS dumb on actual espionage, subversion, and communism. To me, this absolute FAILURE to understand long-term communist subversion shows an incredible “pwnage” of the highest levels of the counterintelligence division of the FBI.
In fact, the following Lisa Page quote in the same article, makes me want to face-palm, if the SAME Lisa Page who believes the above, believes what I cite below.
Page, who acknowledged her personal relationship with Strzok at several points during the interview, noted that initially, Strzok was not “brought over as the senior executive to run the investigation. Another individual was, and that was not successful. It was not a good match with Mr. Mueller. He did not really have the sufficient counterintelligence background to be effective.” That individual would later be identified as John Brown.
Lisa Page, my emphasis
Sorry, I am NOT buying that.
EXPLAIN it to us, Ms. Page, AS YOU WOULD TO A CHILD.
And NO, you cannot hide behind your “sources and methods” Halperoid Oxford / Cambridge Communist bullshit.
No. I’m starting to think that Mueller spotted Mr. Brown as a WHITE HAT. Page helped shuffle him out the door. Reds, dupes, “Strzok specials” and fellow travelers only.
Did these people at DOJ and FBI have any true understanding of Hillary Clinton?
Some did, I’m sure. The most ideological of players – people like Eric Holder surely did. THE RADICALS. Maybe “Comey the Commie”, although he strikes me as far more of a venal go-along, and less of a true believer.
I’m not sure about McCabe. I’m not even sure if most of those who were “read in” on the communist plots, such as the long range gun ban revealed by Bill Cooper, actually REALIZED they were carrying out communist plots. But they must have followed orders properly, and knew how to cover things up properly, because we know very well how highly THAT skill is valued by these Obama players.
And if Bowdich WAS involved in the stuff Bill Cooper revealed, then yes – he might have some utility in covering it up.
“Cover-up? Don’t cover me up, bro!”
In any case, the psychological control of the FBI was complete under Obama. Nobody at lower levels had a CLUE. Evidence that might have broken the glass-smooth mirror surface of FAKE NEWS illusion at FBI was quickly handed over to complicit individuals in charge of DUPES, fellow travelers and yes-people.
I CRY that this Sally Moyer chick was allowed anywhere NEAR anything Hillary.
And that now CONTINUES – and WILL CONTINUE – as long as people who are part of the tortoise-slow plot to BRAINWASH AGAINST GUNS are in charge.
If they were READ IN on the murders, then they need to be KICKED OUT.
Remember. There ARE no accidents. Not any more.
NEW McCABE? Let us hope not. AYE-YI-YI, let us hope not.
Pray to G_D that this guy really IS an Untouchable.
And Lisa Page? She is NOT telling the truth. FIGURE IT OUT.
I urge people to read both links – the DC article immediately above, and Sundance’s analysis.
In my opinion, we are now seeing an open civil war in the federal government. This is completely analogous to what happened when the communists in CIA, FBI and DNC (as well as Stefan Halper, snug as a bug next to Erlichman) entrapped President Richard M. Nixon, and the government as a whole did NOT know what to do. This was the communist-created “constitutional crisis” which actually started the kangaroo courts known as special counsels.
Allow me to explain some very important things.
If you observe the Robert Mueller Hoax Kangaroo Court, it is curious for these reasons:
Comey really did not have a reason to instigate a special counsel – the logic was weak
Rosenstein, likewise, had little reason to start one – there was no CRIME to begin with
It was started very quickly, which made little sense, as there was no rush b/c no crime
It has always appeared to be a fishing expedition for weird stuff or anti-Trump stuff
It always appeared to be looking for process crimes on the anti-Trump stuff
It always seemed to be trying to GENERATE crimes on the anti-Trump stuff
Some of the crimes that Mueller obtained plea bargains for were not even crimes
THAT is actually similar to what happened in Watergate, with CIA personnel
The goofy weird stuff was Russians, but not related to Trump
All Russians found seem to be related to the Democrats and Obama people
Fusion GPS is weirdly tied to the Russians and the attorney let in by Loretta Lynch
Mueller indicted Russian women who acted as internet provocateurs and trolls
Those women were living in now-infamous Broward County
Those women lived very near Nikolas Cruz
Those women were long gone when indicted
It is now becoming clear to me that the Mueller investigation had THREE primary but closely related purposes:
Try to find dirt on Donald J. Trump
Try to create a “Watergate-style Impeachment Bluff” to get Trump out of the White House
Cover up Democrat collusion with Russia (and China, but mostly Russia)
I have discussed John Podesta’s part of the collusion HERE, and – sadly – I believe that I have inadvertently caused MORE “Panic in DC” in doing so.
The reason is that I carefully articulated WHY the Democrats “accuse the other side of exactly what they are doing“. In doing so, I came VERY close to doing so SPECIFICALLY for the Mueller special counsel.
The reason that the Mueller special counsel is tasked with going after an accusation of Trump doing exactly what the Democrats were doing – under the PRETENSE of going after TRUMP for doing those things, is so that they can COVER UP themselves doing those things.
Stated differently, the Mueller special counsel was a way for Democrats to keep a footprint in government in order to cover up Democrat collusion with Russia.
Sundance spotted a while back that Mueller seemed to be trying to corral all the evidence needed for FISAgate. Yes – that was a brilliant insight.
And NOW we have THIS incident, where the FBI raids the whistleblower against Mueller and the FBI. Well, that sure sounds like all the FISAgate “evidence corralling” that Mueller has been doing, too.
Beyond THAT, I think it’s even worse. I think that Mueller has been going after ALL the evidence of ANY Democrat collusion with the Russians – including female internet provocateurs and trolls who live near mass shooters – and is covering up THAT evidence by “corralling” it.
SO – what I’m saying is that we now understand part of the benefit of accusing the “other side” of doing exactly what they were doing.
What we are talking about is a RACE TO THE EVIDENCE. There is nothing to get one there FASTER than having a window on the SAME crimes and the SAME evidence, but PROTECTED by DISINFORMATION.
But because we know that “collusion with the Russians” and “accuse the other side of exactly what they were doing” are in operation, that means that WHOEVER Mueller was going after is DANGEROUS to the Democrats. Even if we don’t recognize them.
Do you realize how mind-blowing this is? NOW we have a good explanation of why they came up with bogus stories like “Mueller is gathering all the evidence that Trump needs! Mueller is on Trump’s side!”
This kind of disinformation is POSSIBLE when you “accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing.”
WOW. Talk about CHUMPS. We was CHUMPS.
Sundance also spotted that AT LEAST SOME of the people saying “don’t worry – trust the plan” and/or various forms of “trust Sessions” and/or “trust Wray” were in fact buying time for a counterattack by the communists.
I now believe Sundance was 100% right.
Not everybody. Certainly not me. But some. I’m sure of it. Even if not CONSCIOUSLY, I think some were simply misled. An “overconfidence ploy” against Trump and his supporters.
And now you’ve got John O. Brenzhnev posting his Soviet demoralization tweets to go after POTUS and his supporters.
“THE NOIVE OF DAT MAN!”
This admission may sound very weird coming from somebody who Sundance kicked out of CTH commenting for being a “Q believer”, but I really think that Sundance is right that the other side is helping to push “Trust the Plan”.
However, it’s NOT THAT SIMPLE. I believe that OUR side is legitimately pushing patience, too.
What I think we have here is a case of two sides that are bought into a kind of massive poker game, and “going for the mid-terms” was on BOTH of their agendas. This is a MASSIVE mutual deception between the two sides. This is a GAME OF CHICKEN.
There are PATRIOTS saying “Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes! Patience! Give Trump time and freedom! Trust the plan!“
There are also DECEIVERS saying “Mueller is on our side, don’t worry! Trust the plan!“
BOTH SIDES have been driving toward the exciting conclusion.
So – Sundance is right. But so are we. Here is why I think this.
I think that the game is getting EXTREMELY intense. Mueller’s cover is ALMOST BLOWN. Rosenstein’s cover is ALMOST BLOWN.
BUT NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE THE FIRST HEAVY MOVE.
I don’t think it’s a good idea for us patriots to be divided.
And yes – there are some among us who are actually helping the other side. Helping to cover up Democrat-Russian collusion to help China and the “globalists” (really another long Soviet front) “peacefully” slide us into a socialist model similar to both China and Russia. Look at Europe. Sure doesn’t look like the “West” won now, does it? Freedoms from oppressive government are disappearing everywhere.
But you know what? I trust TRUMP. And I trust the COMMANDER IN CHIEF. I trust the MILITARY to back him up. And I trust that “Q” would have been frogmarched LONG AGO if he was working for the other team.
I am ALSO observing that the new demoralization trolls on CTH, who came out of nowhere and psy-opped Sundance, are all screaming to declassify now. I don’t trust them. Not one bit.
I trust TRUMP. CIC TRUMP.
SO – I think it would be a good idea for CTH to let the good people HERE who USED to help Sundance chase away all the demoralization trolls, chase away the current phalanx of demoralization trolls. But if not, I’ll keep the good guys safe here, until things become much clearer.
I personally think that having TWO MAGA CANNONS to fire at the communists beats having just one. So I will not abandon this fort, and I will always HELP CTH whenever I can.
All I DO know is this. Times just got a WHOLE LOT more interesting.
W
BOOM!
PS – now you understand why they took down Alex Jones. “Conspiracy theories”. LOL! He might say something that MADE SENSE.
How the Real Story of Russian Collusion Nukes Robert Mueller and the DNC with John Podesta
If you noticed the EERIE BLUE-VIOLET GLOW around John Podesta’s head in my little graphic, don’t worry. It’s not RADIATION, even though I just put that idea into your head and you can do NOTHING about that, because you read this sentence.
More about that in a moment.
While John Podesta is about to become RADIOACTIVE, that blue glow is only my BAD graphic skills, extracting his head from THIS PICTURE…..
HEIL HILLARY!
…..and putting it into THIS PICTURE……
“YAHOO! Cultural Marxism Away!”
Yet notice – most interestingly – that I made a DEFICIT – my poor graphical software skills in working propaganda against John Podesta – into an ASSET – by the power of SUGGESTION.
Beautiful, isn’t it? That implication – that mere suggestion of RADIATION makes you feel all ICKY – doesn’t it? You don’t even want to look BACK at that picture. Right? But maybe you do. And if you do, you get a kind of perverse, sick, dirty feeling out of it. Right? That GLOW.
You can thank the Soviet Union for ALL of this. Your preconceptions about nuclear energy. The PSYCHOLOGY of disinformation that I just used to TAINT John Podesta. The CYNICAL ability to find a way to turn a deficit into an asset. AND for my skills in disinformation. I learned from the MASTERS. Including Yuri Bezmenov, who tried ALMOST VAINLY to warn the West how most of the KGB was devoted to DISINFORMATION – the science of lies and deception – and relatively little to actual espionage.
I have had to LEARN to dig though disinformation to figure out what is happening in this world. WHY useful idiots but otherwise fairly intelligent conservatives like Mia Love (yes, she’s BLACK) are fooled by their sworn enemies……
……and why sharper conservatives with SOME experience as liberals, dupes, victims, or even radicals themselves, like former liberal Candace Owens (yes, she’s BLACK) are NOT FOOLED.
Imagine comparing the slaughter of 6 million Jews, plus the mandated murders of 1 million Rwandans— to immigrants who just want an upgrade and don’t want to follow any rules to get it.
This is an abhorrent, disrespectful tweet and your low-IQ is an unacceptable excuse for it. https://t.co/bR8hyfRvkD
Note that I have stashed away actual PICTURES of those tweets, because there is a grave likelihood that TWITTER will ban Ms. Owens soon, deleting the PUBLIC knowledge of her Twitter history, and CBS may be in a bit of trouble, too, thus likely to edit their own Twitter history. This is ALL part of the importance of INFORMATION and DISINFORMATION.
Other than the Bezmenov video above, I do not have time to educate all of you in the finer points of lies and disinformation in the service of socialism. I should really call it communism, but I want to sound like an expert on Soviet disinformation, so I will use the term socialism as disinformation. I’m even using Yuri Bezmenov’s accent in my head. I sound a bit like Ilya Kuryakin. This is quite fun, actually.
Where were we? Ah, yes. The REAL story on “Muh Russia”. By the way, I’m generally sympathetic to Russia as a nation and people – on a variety of issues, and for a variety of reasons. I’m actually a hardliner on Crimea being Russian, as it was, in my opinion, stolen from Russia and given to Ukraine in a corrupt process under the USSR.
None of that really matters here. The fact is, I simply don’t like certain forms of socialism, because they are not faithful to the truth, and I’m very big on Truth. You might even say I’m sworn in service to the spirit of Truth. So I have to tell you the TRUTH about “Muh Russia”.
It is NOT what the Fake News has been telling you.
There is a truism about the Democrats that actually solves this entire mystery, if you DARE to fully believe it. Like the idea that light has the same speed, no matter how fast you are moving with it, against it, or away from it – otherwise known as special relativity – it’s actually HARD to believe this idea about the Democrats.
Democrats accuse you of exactly what they are doing.
common expression
There is actually a strong parallel with relativity. It has to do with WANTING things to be true, when they are not.
Most of us WANT to think that speeds add simply and times don’t change depending upon your speed – worse yet your acceleration. We want a world where speeds combine in the simple linear manner of 2 + 2 = 4 and time A equals time B.
But Einstein finally accepted that speeds in this universe are BOUNDED, if the rule REALLY WAS that no speed could be greater than that of light – always constant – which in this case might be an arbitrary number like “6”.
Thus, speeds of 2 + 2 are in a complicated fashion less than the expected number of “4” so that speeds are always totaling to less than the “maximum” number of six. Einstein accepted the implications that nobody wanted to accept – that such simple additivity that we all feel intuitively, REALLY IS only true at low speeds. If the maximum is 6, 2 + 2 is NOT 4, so that 4 + 4 is still less than 6. And Einstein had the equations and predictions to prove it.
The disgust with relativity was profound. The Nazis called it “Jewish science”, but they were not the only ones who didn’t like it. Even as a CHILD, long after the the world had defeated the Nazis, I observed that AMERICANS both within and outside of science remained somewhat – one might even say properly – skeptical of general relativity and its fantastic predictions, which were even more bizarre than special relativity.
Relativity is weird shit. It is HARD to accept. It doesn’t FEEL GOOD unless you study the HELL out of it to FIND THE BEAUTY.
The truth of Democrat collusion with the Soviet Union, and later Russia, is weird shit, too. It is HARD TO ACCEPT. But there is also some beauty in it too, if you are willing to accept some odd ideas that go along with it.
First of all, it helps to be forgiving. Collusion is not a crime. Trump repeats this for a reason. Only crimes are crimes. If one colludes to commit a crime, that is one thing, but colluding to do “good things” only becomes criminal if the means stray outside the law.
Sadly, we may find some of that. But not so much that we have to say “all Democrats are horrible communists and must be punished”. Not at all. In fact, I think the number of guilty will be surprisingly small, and their CRIMES will be clear. They will not be ideological crimes. They will be REAL crimes. Most criminals will not even be prosecuted. Don’t take my word for it. Q said this. So did FBIanon. They didn’t say it so coldly and antithetically, or in so many words, but do the math. It smacks of reality as well.
Back to “collusion”, which is not a crime per se.
The reasons that it is hard to accept Democrat-Russian collusion are as follows. These speak very strongly to how the disinformation works.
We don’t want Trump-Russia collusion to be true. The EASY way out of this accusation is to NOT make a similar accusation back against the Democrats. This is PSYCHOLOGY. Make it all GO AWAY by not saying that there is ANY collusion.
We don’t want Democrat-Russia collusion to be true. It’s rather scary, in some ways. The EASY way out of this reality is to say that their accusation of Russia-Trump collusion is “overblown” and “unreal”, which means the same for Democrat-Russia collusion. This is PSYCHOLOGY. Make it all GO AWAY.
We don’t want Russia to be the bad guy. If Russia is still a bad guy, that means
America is alone
“NeverTrump” Russophobes are suddenly RIGHT (in some ways) about Russia
Trump’s odd coalition of Russophiles, war-weary, battered conservatives, Tea Party, fiscal bleeding-edge American renewal enthusiasts, anti-Bush-dynasty, Reagan retreads, and all the rest, might be threatened
We have to adjust our thinking in profound ways
Russia may not even be the bad guy, if it’s complicated
What about China?
“splodeyhead”
These are just SOME of the reasons we don’t want this stuff to be true. We don’t even want to think about this stuff. Which, indeed, I have observed very strongly in Republicans and Trump supporters. There has been a lot of awakening. How much MORE is coming?
It gets bigger. There are many implications. Q uses “avalanche” terminology (D5) for a reason. The whole thing is somewhat like the avalanche model. We have reached a critical point, and there will be some slide. But hopefully it will be managed properly
history books will have to be rewritten
fake news will be revealed for what it is
information flows will change in massive ways
If you’ve been paying any attention to “Q”, then you know this is true. If you DENY “Q”, then you are going to be in for some surprises, and even shocks. Sorry about that.
But NOW – for all of those NEGATIVES – there is one great ADVANTAGE to accepting them.
It SOLVES everything. All the MYSTERIES of “Russiagate” / “Muh Russia” are solved.
And MUCH, MUCH MORE. They don’t call it the “Great Awakening” for nothing.
The thing is, this Great Awakening changes relatively FEW of the facts. What it DOES do is change our PERCEPTION of them.
SO – what I want you to do is BEAR WITH ME, and THINK IT POSSIBLE – just temporarily – that the maxim is correct:
Democrats accused Trump of doing exactly what they did.
What Democrats accused Trump of was colluding with Russia to win the election.
Therefore, we begin with: Democrats colluded with Russia to win the election.
We begin with the key player who makes this all work. John “Skippy” Podesta.
John “Skippy” Podesta had ONE of his email accounts hacked by Russia. The emails appeared on Wikileaks. I am absolutely, 100%, positive that Russia did it, just like Podesta and all the other Democrats are saying. The reason I am sure is that the SCAM works best if Russia actually did it.
Yes, it also fits our little relativistic maxim rather nicely, but that’s begging the question. Let’s look deeper.
There is no lie like the TRUTH misinterpreted. That is the CORE of disinformation. So let’s examine the truth – the FACTS – very closely.
I was never convinced that Podesta’s email hack was fully legitimate. Something was wrong with it. It was TOO clean. And you are hearing this from one of the people who researched it VERY heavily. I spent much time going through it, after it hit Wikileaks, and even for a while after it blew up into the semi-absurd “PizzaGate”.
Oh, now THAT was a beautiful disinformation operation as well. Is PizzaGate real? Is PizzaGate false? I’ll say this – it’s COMPLICATED and that complication is very intentional. But let’s not get distracted by ALL of the interesting disinformation goals that John “Skippy” Podesta achieved in this plot. Back to the TRAIL.
For starters, there was no criminal content of ANY kind in the Podesta dump. Nothing immediately criminal – not even anything that was really scandalous. Oh, there was the “pizza map walnuts hotdogs” bullshit, but I can file that into TWO major possibilities – yeah, it’s real but worthless evidence, and – yeah, it’s crazy over-interpretation of NOTHING. Even the “Scalia 186” / “wet works” stuff is NOTHING from the point of view of HARD EVIDENCE. Even all the embarrassing reporter contacts – STILL NOTHING. Even the weird E.T. stuff was INBOUND, not OUTBOUND. I even found what I thought was a smoking gun on Vatican influence by Podesta via his crony companies, and it turns out that I had mixed up BUSINESS Tara with CHURCH Tara. It was a NOTHINGBURGER.
Bottom line, there was nothing there. It was clean. TOO clean.
The fact that Podesta had protected his email account with a too-simple password is suspicious as hell, because it serves two disinformation objectives. It says “I have nothing to hide”, and it says “I’m a dope”, which clearly he is not. There is also the incident where his secretary opened some suspicious phishing email due to a miscommunication. Supposedly the Russians got in THAT WAY, too.
Doesn’t matter to me. I BELIEVE that the Russians did it. But I also believe that this was part of John Podesta’s PLAN. A very simple but effective plan, that worked for both the DNC and himself.
Insider compromise
Communication of natural targets and simple plan to Russia
Disinformation managed by Democrats
Now – I tried to tell people that I thought Podesta WANTED this email dump to happen, to frame Trump, but one of my most trusted opinions – a gal who goes by the online moniker of “wheatietoo“, felt that there WAS something nasty in those emails – a vague threat to “make an example of a suspected leaker” – who at that time everybody believed was Seth Rich.
This idea was everywhere, and had real mindshare. Even Wikileaks helped promulgate this idea, as you can see in this tweet by Wikileaks.
However, there are HUGE problems with this email having ANY significance.
If we look at it rationally, it means absolutely nothing. Even if there was a video of Podesta shooting Seth Rich in the streets of Washington, this email would be laughed out of court because firing a leaker or prosecuting a leaker or even taking away their parking privileges is well within its meaning to a reasonable jury. This email is like all the rest of the dump. Nothing.
This email was sent LONG before the DNC hack was even KNOWN, and quite possibly before the Russians had even entered the DNC system.
It is not talking about DNC hacks or leaks. It is talking about Hillary campaign officials in the FUTURE speaking to the PRESS or otherwise blabbing. So my vote is on parking privileges – maybe firing.
Can you believe that Wikileaks is promoting disinformation? Hmmmmmm.
Could Wikileaks be shilling for monetary support using Seth Rich?
Could Wikileaks be teasing and misleading?
Did Wikileaks know that Roger Stone was being misled?
Yes, it’s complicated, isn’t it?
What we did with this email was assigning our own meaning to a shiny object.
Now – isn’t that interesting. A shiny object. Podesta’s email hack – itself a shiny object – was literally just a bunch of shiny objects.
NOW – the trick here is to do the same thing we did earlier with accepting our starting point – which was an example of overcoming an Alinsky fear by ACCEPTING THE SCARY TRUTH.
Earlier, we accepted the scary proposition that the Democrats colluded with the Russians. NOW let’s accept the scary idea that PODESTA FOOLED US ALL like utter chumps – like children – like idiots. He left open an account full of shiny objects, the Russians hacked it as part of the plan, and we chased all the worthless shiny objects for a good part of the election.
We. Were. Idiots.
Accept it. Accept the scary truth.
Why do we do this? Because THAT is how we dig PAST the emotional blockade which EVERY scam uses to make you STOP DIGGING. People don’t report scams because they were not just suckers, but GREEDY, STUPID SUCKERS. It’s embarrassing. EMBRACE IT.
So – we admit that we were LOOKING FOR DIRT, FOUND NOTHING, and we were FOOLS.
So now I ask a few questions. A few simple questions.
WHAT were they fooling us about?
WHY were they fooling us?
HOW did they fool us?
For every shiny object, we ask this question.
I won’t get into PizzaGate, and E.T., and all the rest. I have excellent ideas in ALL those cases. But in the case of “making an example of the suspected leaker”, I will point out certain things.
If this is MISDIRECTION, it leads us AWAY from a hack
If this is MISDIRECTION, it misleads that Podesta was not THINKING of a hack
If this is MISDIRECTION, it misleads that Podesta is angry about a leak, not a hack
NOW – this is where it gets interesting. I am NOT saying that the DNC job was a leak, like so many Trump supporters WEAKLY contend. I’m saying that this Podesta email was misdirection to pretend “no early knowledge” of the DNC hack on Podesta’s part. I’m saying that the DNC job was a hack, and a hack by the Russians, exactly like the Democrats and Crowdstrike say. And at earlier times, before the hacks, when John “Skippy” Podesta curated his hackable email address for HIS part of the Russian hacks, he made sure his email trove had no hints about hackers. Or anything else, other than shiny objects that would not truly harm their side.
John “Skippy” Podesta was NOT thinking of hacks. No, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, right.
Now – about the DNC hack. Described HERE in the middle of 2016:
I’m saying it was almost exactly like the hack on Podesta – same thing – Russians – and I say this KNOWING that there is a fairly elegant but logically incomplete disproof of a hack, which I will now explain and correct, before the Democrats “miscorrect” it into nonsense.
A bunch of patriotic cyber and intelligence guys and gals on the RIGHT got together and showed, rather nicely, that the speeds of the file creation in the DNC hack indicate that the data was *compressed* (very important) locally and not over a network connection. In other words, the data was compressed within hardware at the DNC, and THEN shipped wherever it went. The files did not leave one location over a network and get compressed on the other end, in another location like, say, Russia.
For the life of me, I cannot figure out how anybody can think that this in any way disproves a hack. A remote view hack of the DNC basically gives a hacker LOCAL CONTROL. It’s almost like they are sitting right there in the room, except their monitor and keyboard are in – say – RUSSIA. What hardware are they operating? LOCAL hardware! (Local to the DNC, that is.) What are they doing? Why, they’re compressing the files locally! Just like a local person! And all of it is utterly asynchronous to their display in, say, Russia. (Which means there is no problem because of the distance.)
Now, the authors of this technically competent but criminally negligent proof (I mean that in the nicest way – these people are NOT good criminals) try to say that the evidence fits compression directly to a USB drive. Logically, this is a bridge to far for me, because they know as well as I do that the data fits compression to almost ANY local hardware in the right configuration, and they are schmoozing the conclusion toward the suspected Seth Rich scenario, but WHAT THE HECK – let’s just allow the hackers to scour the network, find a USB drive, and perform the compression on THAT computer directly to THAT drive, then move the compressed files back to wherever they need to go and send them on to RUSSIA. Then they GTHO.
This is NOT HARD. This is incredibly easy. This is a NORMAL REMOTE ACCESS HACK. Now, I could get all “USB” on this theory, and have some colluding Democrat put the USB drive into the computer for the Russians, but OCCAM’S RAZOR says it was just a HACK and that is that. Most likely, there was never a USB drive involved – just local hardware, as PROVEN. The Russians hacked in – AS PLANNED – got the data – compressed it locally – got the data OUT – and LEFT.
So now we are left with a question – to which I already had the answer. How did Seth Rich enter the picture?
Seth Rich was a WITNESS in a LAWSUIT against the DNC for FRAUD. The lawsuit was extremely bad for HILLARY CLINTON. The case actually AROSE from the DNC hack, as an unfortunate (for Hillary) consequence of the fact that it was clear she cheated Bernie out of any chance of the nomination. As Seth was a “Bernie bro”, the fact that he was called as a witness was NOT good for Hillary. He was a liability.
It is my contention that Seth Rich would be alive today if he had never been named as a witness in this case, or if the case had never been brought to court. BUT – here is the thing. I don’t really NEED this to be true, for Seth Rich’s death FOR ANY REASON to be useful to John “Skippy” Podesta.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are absolutely notorious for the fact that witnesses against them seem to have terrible luck prior to their testimony. Exactly WHEN the bad stuff happens may vary, but it always happens before they testify, and usually long before.
But AS I SAID, I don’t need Seth Rich’s death to be anything but a lucky coincidence, and thus an AMAZING piece of potential disinformation. ALL that DNC disinformation cadres needed to do was to plant the “Seth Rich / DNC / Wikileaks” meme in a few places on the right and voila! It grew like CRABGRASS.
Of course, if Seth Rich actually WAS killed to prevent his testimony in the DNC FRAUD CASE (sounds like a big deal to me), then – well, will ya look at that – linking his death to SOMETHING ELSE would have MOTIVE. Better yet, something that would be DENIED HALF-TRUTHFULLY by Democrats and SUPPORTED WRONGLY by Republicans and Trump supporters.
Does that sound like a good deal for Democrats? Maybe even good enough to make sure to leave a shiny object email that might mislead people to it?
And in fact, you would have TWO SCANDALS cancelling each other out – PROTECTING each other. Which is, you will learn, a wonderful principle of disinformation.
This whole thing is now a beautiful example of what I call “Eckert’s Law”.
When the cause of an operation is too advanced or too subtle to be detected by an adversary, Occam’s razor will point them to the most likely known potential cause, and this will be accepted and defended by them as the logical explanation.
Eckert’s Law
Disinformation will CHANGE what you think is the “simplest explanation” of something. Therefore, disinformation can help you get the WRONG result from Occam’s razor.
Even better, psychologically constructed disinformation will make you WANT to accept it, like a DRUG, when the TRUTH is more painful, yet leads to a better place in the end. So you will be tempted to CHEAT Occam’s razor by altering your own view of the world.
Are you starting to see it now? Are you willing to accept the PAIN?
The PAIN of KNOWING?
Now – after all this possibility has been put in front of you – after this deep dive – come up for air. Throw away all the complications that I’ve loosened, and ask yourself a simple question.
Who colludes with Russians? The LEFT or the RIGHT?
What people are not seeing here is that the simple answer of today is the SAME simple answer that has always been true. Democrats and Russians go back. They have a long history helping each other. Ignore the Fake News, pounding OVER and OVER with some counter-intuitive narrative about Trump and the Russians and how they wanted to help him beat the woman who gave them uranium at a STEAL and then covered it up.
Good grief! It’s crap!
If one of the two major parties is going to collude with the Russians, which one is it going to be?
You always knew the answer. It’s going to be the Democrats.
How will they collude in an election? Probably against the Republican candidate.
How will the Russians get the opposition files on the Republican candidate to help the Democrats? By hacking into the DNC and taking them, just like Crowdstrike found.
How will the colluding parties deceive us? By LIES, by DISINFORMATION, by accusing the other side of what they are doing, and by HOAXING.
Who does HOAXING?
DEMOCRATS.
We don’t have to change any of the facts. We just have to change how we see them logically. And in this case, we have to change how we see them, BACK TO REALITY.
THIS is the true nature of disinformation.
THIS is why they are – indeed – Fake News.
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Hollywood. Trust me – we know something about disinformation.