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Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.
AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.
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Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:
ecarlate (also écarlate)
noun
fine woolen cloth, usually dyed scarlet
luxury publisher (with accent on first “e”)
a color (in French)
Used in a sentence
Scarlet cloth, also known as écarlate, was a fine and expensive woolen textile common in Medieval Europe, often dyed with the red dye kermes. It was woven from the finest English wools and was considered a luxury item, particularly fashionable during the 14th and 15th centuries.
Shown in a picture (modern equivalent)
Shown in a video (metaphorically)
MUSIC!
Still stuck on scarlet and wool, amigos!
THE STUFF
Yeah, this clickbait video may have been produced by AI. Yeah, this may be kinda bogus in so many ways (let me know in the comments). AND YET – it strikes me as a needed warning that we’ve got some work to do. What do you think?
Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.
AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.
This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).
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Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.
Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.
We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.
Joe Biden didn’t win.
And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.
Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:
gridelin
noun / adjective
violet-grey (color)
color mixed of white, and red, or a gray violet
color that is a mixture of white and red; grey-violet
having such a color
Used in a sentence
Gridelin is a dark purplish red that is bluer and paler than pansy purple, redder, lighter, and stronger than raisin, and bluer, lighter, and stronger than Bokhara; it is also called gris-de-lin, which is “flax gray” in French.
Shown in a picture
Shown in a video – sorta
MUSIC!
Here you go – the AI hair-metal praise band PlaceholderAI Worship!
“AI Worship… the music is fake but the worship is real.”
THE STUFF
The following AI representation of Roger Penrose – which is surprisingly easy to understand – is actually a really great explainer of his thinking, on an important topic that approaches the spiritual.
I was very pleased to see how well the AI sticks to Penrose’s perspective (I have some of his books). I suspect that the AI was highly trained on his thinking and publications.
Penrose is a British mathematician, physicist, and astronomer, born in 1931, who has made huge contributions to all three fields.
The question – what is mathematics?
(Non-Spoiler – My view is close to his, but is more Judaeo-Christian, and doesn’t speculate toward quantum processes as necessary for consciousness.)
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It is my suspicion that POTUS Trump does not expect the Save America Act to pass. AND he has plans to use an EO to make sure we have safe elections. If you look you can see the evidence surface.
(Yeah, Mama’s in a mood…)
In the mean time POTUS is letting the traitors in the Senate and Congress reveal themselves.
Peter Ticktin is one of the Lawyers for Tina Peters. Ticktin is also a high school classmate of President Donald Trump. Early in the following video he says a group of very smart lawyers have put together an EO for POTUS Trump.
Why We Vote Ep. 166: Peter Ticktin on Constitutional Law, Executive Power, and Election Legitimacy
CannCon and Ashe in America are joined by attorney Peter Ticktin for a wide-ranging discussion on constitutional law, executive authority, and the legal frameworks surrounding election legitimacy. The conversation explores how the Constitution is interpreted in modern legal battles, the limits of federal power, and how legal strategies are being used to challenge or defend election outcomes.
Peter breaks down complex constitutional arguments into plain terms, walking through the role of the executive branch, the judiciary, and the tension between state and federal authority. The discussion also touches on legal precedent, the importance of due process, and how courts approach politically sensitive cases.
Throughout the episode, the panel examines how legal narratives shape public perception and why understanding constitutional structure is critical in evaluating election-related disputes. It is a deep dive into law, power, and the ongoing debate over how America governs itself.
ROUGH TRANSCRIPT
31:48 – 34:10 — Peter Ticktin:
FL is a free state (Canncon) Colorado is a captured state (Ashe)
We are the peg holding the rest of the world up. They have not gone to the depths of where this thing is going to go. It is not going to be a situation where if they were to win where it would be same-o same-o, just a different party running it. It does not work that way.
Within a matter of months of them taking over power, they would be picking us up in truck loads. This is the end of our society as we know it…. We either get the Executive Order or I am telling you it is going to be Martial Law…
Trump was close to doing something last time but he just did not have the power. This time before anyone is sworn in, it will be martial law because we were not able to stop it in a civil way. There is no way that Trump will sit there and say Oh, Golly Jee we lost again because we let them cheat. It will not be that way this time because we will all be dead meat. There will be no coming back from it…
34:30 Ashe:
So the E.O. is intended to create a national emergency so we can make these structural changes… We can not have real elections until we tell the truth about elections…
In January 2017, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security officially designated election infrastructure as a critical infrastructure subsector under the existing Government Facilities sector, recognizing that its incapacitation would have a devastating effect on the nation.Link 1
This designation covers physical and virtual systems including voter registration databases, voting machines, polling places, and vote tabulation locations. Link 2
The designation does not grant the federal government authority to regulate, oversee, or manage elections, which remain the responsibility of state and local governments. Link 3
[Looks like the states realized they could lose control of their fake elections. — GC]
Key components of the designation include:
Legal Basis: Defined by the Patriot Act and Presidential Policy Directive 21 (PPD-21) as systems vital to national security, economic security, or public health.
Scope: Encompasses IT infrastructure for managing elections, storage facilities, and networks used for counting, auditing, and reporting results.
Collaboration: Facilitates the Election Infrastructure Subsector Government Coordinating Council (EIS-GCC) to coordinate between federal, state, and local stakeholders.
Threat Response: Allows for sanctions and closed-door discussions regarding sensitive vulnerabilities to protect against cyber threats and foreign interference.
By providing Congress power to preempt state election procedures, the Framers sought to prevent states from thwarting the federal government’s operation by using state law to manipulate or preclude elections for the House of Representatives.9For example, during the Constitutional Convention Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania expressed concern that “the States might make false returns and then make no provision for new elections,” 10 while Alexander Hamilton observed in the Federalist Papers that “Nothing can be more evident than that an exclusive power of regulating elections for the national government, in the hands of the State legislatures, would leave the existence of the Union entirely at their mercy.” 11 Despite the Elections Clause providing Congress power to preempt state law governing elections, Congress did not exercise this power until 1842 when it passed a law requiring that Representatives be elected on a district basis.12 Congress subsequently added contiguity, compactness, and substantial equality of population to districting requirements.13
In the Court’s 1997 decision, Foster v. Love, the Supreme Court affirmed a lower court decision that, 👉under the Elections Clause, federal law preempted a Louisiana statute governing congressional elections.14 The Foster Court noted that while states can prescribe regulations governing the Times, Places and Manner of holding elections, “Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations.” 15 The Court stated…
So Congress does have power over federal elections and they exercised that power in the Patriot Act despite what Brave AI said.
On January 6, 2017, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Jeh Johnson designated U.S. election systems as part of the nation’s critical infrastructure, a decision that was later affirmed by current DHS Secretary John Kelly. Since the designation was announced, state and local election officials across the country have raised questions about the day-to-day impact of the designation and how it will benefit their work to conduct accessible, accurate and secure elections. This document details DHS’s critical infrastructure designation and what election administrators can expect moving forward. It also provides a glossary of terms frequently used in conjunction with correspondence and discussions about critical infrastructure designation….
So at the end of his term Obama designated US Election Systems as critical infrastructure. 😂
“A secure and resilient electoral process is a vital national interest and one of our highest priorities.”
OVERVIEW
In December 2020 our cyber election team was invited by Mrs. Courtney Bailey-Kanelos, the Registrar of Voters in Sacramento County, California to review Sacramento’s election system, and to audit the 2020 election results. The cyber election team was offered a $1.00 contract by the Registrar of Voters to perform the work (see Exhibits). The cyber election team accepted, and placed a technician on a plane to Sacramento within 24 hours.
ENVIRONMENT
Unfortunately, if one has spent any time in Washington, DC, one understands that the town is filled with people who have extremely sharp elbows, and frequently put their own agendas above the interests of the American people. In this instance, a bad actor got word that a technician was on a plane headed to Sacramento, and proceeded to blow-up phones in Sacramento. Before the cyber election team’s tech landed in Sacramento, the audit effort had been squashed, as others in the County were now involved and the brakes put on the planned contract. Obviously, this was a great disappointment.
LIMITED CASE STUDY
The cyber election team’s technician did, however, receive a tour of the election facility by Mrs. Bailey-Kanelos, who was and continues to be extremely gracious in all dealings. The cyber election team’s technician was escorted to every part of the building by Mrs. Bailey-Kanelos and allowed to take photographs of anything he wished.
In this brief document, we will post some of these photographs, and explain their significance, as they demonstrate how an election official, with the best of intentions, can expose this complicated election system to bad actors and potential manipulation…
The password for accessing the Dominion ballot printing software and printing ballots is taped to the laptop for any user to see and use.
In the following video, Mark Cook said this information was key since similar passwords were used in other states.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence obtained voting machines from Puerto Rico and probed them for security vulnerabilities, the office said in a statement to CNN Wednesday.
The extraordinary move comes amid Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard’s broader search for voter fraud at the behest of President Donald Trump, who has falsely claimed that the 2020 election was rigged despite numerous court rulings and audits debunking the claim. Gabbard was present as FBI agents executed a search warrant in Fulton County, Georgia, last week related to the 2020 election.
The ODNI claimed in its statement to have found “extremely concerning” cybersecurity and operational deployment practices with the voting machines in Puerto Rico but did not provide detailed evidence….
Mark Cook provides that evidence in the following video.
Why We Vote Ep. 167: Garland & Tamara Favorito on Fulton County Case, Seized Ballots, and Election System Vulnerabilities
CannCon and Ashe in America are joined by Garland and Tamara Favorito for a deep dive into a major evidentiary hearing in Fulton County tied to the federal case surrounding 2020 election records. The conversation begins with firsthand insights from inside the courthouse, where discussions center on the FBI’s seizure of election materials, Fulton County’s legal response, and the implications of those records potentially being used as evidence.
The episode expands into broader election integrity efforts, including newly passed legislation, ongoing investigations, and the challenges of transparency in election systems. The panel also explores concerns around computerized voting systems, vulnerabilities in tabulation processes, and efforts to demonstrate potential manipulation during legislative hearings.
Throughout the discussion, Garland and Tamara emphasize citizen involvement, highlighting the importance of public testimony, grassroots action, and direct participation in hearings to push for accountability. The episode closes with a strong argument for returning control of elections to the people, focusing on simplicity, transparency, and trust in the voting process.
VERY ROUGH PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT
4:45 to 33 minutes — Garland and Tamara Favorito:
Fulton County is trying to get back the ballots seized by the FBI. Do the county officials actually even have STANDING??? That is the matter before the court in this hearing. It should be an open and shut HELL NO! But not in the Amerika judicial system. [Remember all those “numerous court rulings” cited by CNN? Well the courts found citizens had NO STANDING and thus there never were any actual trials in most cases. –GC]
VERY IMPORTANT BOMB SHELL:
Please watch this video from 1 hour to 1 hour and 30 minutes. Yes, it is long, but it is the election fraud smoking guns explained so a 10 year old could understand it. It explains why Colorado went ballistic when Tina Peters had a forensic image captured before the ‘Trusted Build’ by Dominion.
He states he is a Subject Matter Expert in Election Cyber Security & THREAT ASSESSMENT with 40 years in IT & 6 in Elections. He says: I have absolute proof of backdoors built in to voting machines….
1:01:30 He gives a demo of the backdoors.
“…Tina Peters forensic image… God bless her, she allowed citizens to see what is in their black box voting machines. This is why she is being tortured…”
1;06;45 Mrs. Courtney Bailey-Kanelos, the Registrar of Voters in Sacramento County, California invited Mark Cook to CA and HE GETS A TOUR of the voting machines. See the article above.
He explains sequel [sql] server tools in simple terms.
1;07;10Sequel Server Management is a stand alone that gets directly into the database bypassing the software that is suppose to keep it secure.
[Now think about that for a minute and think about those voting machines DHS grabbed from Puerto Rico…😂 — GC]
1:20:00 They can CHANGE the outcome of the election and there is NO RECORD!
1:25:45 Then Mark demonstrates something else using flash drives. He plugs in a flash drive and does NOTHING ELSE. He doesn’t hit enter or anything. He just holds up hands. He is NOT typing. The flash drive pulls up another backdoor. It starts flipping numbers in the database AND WILL NOT LEAVE A TRACE. (Change tracking is disbled. It comes that way from the factory & when Dominion sets it up for the county, they do not turn tracking ON!)
END 1:29:14
Canncon makes the point that Mark’s demo is slowed way down to make the changes visible. It actually happens fast, in about a second or so.
……
Name: USB Flash Drive #4 (backside)
Discussion: Back side of USB Flash Drive #4, showing a unique identifier, probably assigned by the county.
Given the photographic evidence above, and the information provided by the voter registrar, our cyber election team concludes that it would have been trivial to:
print unlimited ballots while unsupervised;
connect the election system to an external network or the Internet during the election;
introduce new software, firmware, voted ballots into critical election equipment via USB or portable hard drive;
Numerous election officials and warehouse workers have unfettered access to key election systems and ballots.
Sacramento refused to address numerous security concerns as required by Grand Jury prior to the 2020 Election, and instead stated they would address them after the election (see Exhibits).
..In late winter, I wrote a series on election fraud. The day after the last, the man I had written about Saturday, Peter Bernegger, a freaking hero, was arrested. Later that week another subject, Christina Bobb, Trump’s lawyer, and the Republican National Committee’s voter fraud expert, had to fly to Arizona and turn herself in.
The left can no longer win on the merits of their ideas, much less their actions. They have created one catastrophe after another. The only way they can win elections is steal them. And they have developed three hundred separate, specific, methodologies to do it. In my opinion, and that of others closer to the coal face….
Newly-unclassified documents show that in 2022 Ukrainian officials discussed diverting hundreds of millions of U.S. tax dollars — earmarked for clean energy — back to Biden’s ill-fated 2024 campaign. There is no evidence the intercepted allegations were investigated during the Biden administration.
He Found Ghost Records Inside Social Security. Their Numbers Were Still Active. | Frank Bisignano
Democrats TEACH voter identification and election integrity … just not in America
The Democratic Party has an international arm called the National Democratic Institute (NDI). It’s funded by $181M/year in US tax dollars. Its board includes Stacey Abrams, Donna Brazile, and Tom Daschle.
But in regards to today’s SAVE America Act debate… did you know that the NDI has taught and supervised election processes all over the world?
For 40 years, NDI has told every developing country on earth that voter ID is essential for election integrity. They’ve recommended biometric systems… yes, that’s right, NDI recommended biometric systems, which goes way beyond SAVE America Act! They praised fingerprint verification. Tracked ID card issuance rates.
Meanwhile, Democrats call the SAVE Act “Jim Crow 2.0.”
Same party. Same people. Opposite positions.
As always, patience as I pull together the thread
NDI’s own 2001 guide emphasizes the importance of only citizens voting. It further says voter ID cards “introduce an additional safeguard into the system” and describes photo ID and fingerprints as standard election infrastructure.
In one of their PDFs, the complaint in Nicaragua wasn’t that voter ID existed. It was that the government wasn’t issuing ID cards FAST ENOUGH. They even called the issuance of temporary IDs as ignoring “the far more fundamental problem.”
In Morocco, NDI praised the switch to requiring just ONE photo ID at the polls, calling it “a positive development.” The SAVE Act requires one photo ID. Democrats call that Jim Crow.
In Bangladesh, NDI praised voter photo ID cards as giving “a sense of empowerment and belonging to the disadvantaged and marginalized people of the country, particularly women.”
Stacey Abrams, NDI board member, calls the same requirement discriminatory at home.
Chuck Schumer: “The SAVE Act would impose Jim Crow-type laws to the entire country.”
NDI (his party’s own arm): “Individuals who wish to participate in an election must somehow prove their identity, demonstrating that they are who they say they are.” And also must demonstrate citizenship
The biggest irony: NDI vice chair Stacey Abrams co-led the Nigeria 2023 election observation mission. Its final report called biometric voter ID “the most important contribution to raising confidence in electoral integrity.” She called Georgia’s voter ID law “Jim Crow in a suit.
The biggest irony: NDI vice chair Stacey Abrams co-led the Nigeria 2023 election observation mission. Its final report called biometric voter ID “the most important contribution to raising confidence in electoral integrity.” She called Georgia’s voter ID law “Jim Crow in a suit.
NDI has observed elections in 100+ countries. If they observed a US election, they’d flag 14 states with no voter ID requirement as failing basic election integrity standard… by their own published criteria.
The Democratic Party tells the world voter ID is democracy. Then tells Americans it’s Jim Crow.
THREAD END.
When all the different threads are pulled together, I think POTUS Trump will have the evidence he needs for his E.O. on Election Integrity.
Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.
AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.
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Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.
Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.
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Joe Biden didn’t win.
And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.
Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:
kalpis
noun
a water jar
a type of Ancient Greek water jug
a hydria having a rounded shoulder and a small back handle
Used in a sentence, or even a paragraph
The kalpis is a variant form of the more common hydria, a vessel used for carrying water. Often awarded as prizes in competitions and dedicated in sanctuaries, these valuable objects also served as cinerary urns and ballot boxes. Decorative appliqués or statuettes were usually cast separately and soldered or riveted to the exterior.
Shown in a picture
Shown in another picture
Shown – almost – in a video
MUSIC!
I love this cover (thanks, Cthulhu!) of the old Queen song way too much! Not only do these harmonic gals remind me of the “sireens” in the Coen brothers movie “O Brother, Where Art Thou?” – they remind me of various young ladies I hung out with during my misspent youth. Happy, loud, and guaranteed to make my mother’s eye start twitching!
A toast to good-hearted floozies everywhere! Say a prayer for them! And for the boys who can’t resist their charms!
Can’t pass up the comparison!
floozy/floozie (Cambridge definition) noun a woman who has a lot of sexual relationships, or who wears clothes that attract sexual attention in a way that is too obvious
THE STUFF
From musical floozies to mathematical fairies, when AI’s psychotic bullshit starts rampaging through the interwebs like a bad kaiju, we’ve got you covered!
Chicks. Math. Music. History. Useful stuff. Wait – didn’t the Greeks have some deal about this?
Just sayin’!
And remember…….
Until victory, have faith!
And trust the big plan, too!
And as always….
ENJOY THE SHOW
W
PS – an extra carbon-not-silicon[e] musical treat discovered by YouTube!
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AN INTERESTING VIDEO
Scientists Tested the Dead Sea Scrolls’ DNA — The Animal Skins Revealed Who Really [Might Have] Wrote Them (16 minutes)
The scrolls are not from one area. Most are goat skin and likely local. However some are sheepskin and the area would not support the grass needed to raise sheep. Most important, 2 fragments studied are cow skin indicating a third area.
The Hypothesis is these were scrolls hastily hidden [as indicated by the rough handling] because of Roman retaliation against the Jewish Revolt in 66 of the Common Era. Some (the sheepskin) may have been rescued from the burning of the Second Temple.
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As most of you know, I worked as a chemist. However I really like archaeology and even took courses in the subject. But as the Egyptologist Barbara Mertz, who wrote mysteries under the name Elizabeth Peters, and David Ian Howe, who now is a podcaster, found out, it is really tough to get a job in that field. So I settled for chemistry because I wanted to eat.
I was watching this video and realized it had a more important lesson to teach than whether or not Monte Verde is a Pre-Clovis site. It teaches a lesson about REAL Science and TRUE scientists.
Dr. Todd Surovell, professor of anthropology at the University of Wyoming, who is being interviewed by his former student David Howe, is a sterling example of what a REAL SCIENTIST IS! He is unlike Mikey Mann of Hockey Stick fame or Ancel Keys and his landmark Seven Countries Study on cholesterol, both of whom came up with an hypothesis and then cherry-picked the data that supported it. Since both conclusions were useful to the Cabal, any attempt to refute them was shot down.
On top of that, this is just such a refreshing interview. No theatrics, just a discussion between two experts complete with good illustrations and photographs.
Monte Verde is no longer a Pre-Clovis site (50 minutes)
For decades, Monte Verde in southern Chile has been one of the most famous archaeological sites in the Americas. The site was widely accepted as 14,500 years old, making it one of the strongest pieces of evidence for human presence in the Americas before Clovis. But what if that interpretation was wrong? In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Todd Surovell, professor of anthropology at the University of Wyoming, to discuss new research that re-examines Monte Verde using modern geoarchaeological methods. The results suggest that the famous site may actually be much younger than previously believed, dating to the Holocene rather than the Ice Age. If true, this would mean that Monte Verde is not evidence for pre-Clovis humans in South America, and it could force archaeologists to reconsider one of the most influential discoveries in American archaeology.
Optically stimulated luminescence (OSL) is a scientific technique used to determine the last time mineral grains were exposed to light, providing valuable dating information for geological and archaeological studies. By measuring the amount of luminescence emitted from minerals such as quartz or feldspar when stimulated with light, scientists can estimate the time elapsed since the grains were last exposed to sunlight or heat. OSL dating is an effective method for reconstructing the chronology of sedimentary deposits, making it a crucial tool for understanding Earth’s historical events.
A second tool used was Radiocarbon dating on organic material. And the clincher was a well known volcanic ash layer, “the Lepué Tephra, a regional stratigraphic marker dated to 11,000 years B.P.”
In a study published Thursday (March 19) in the journal Science, an international group of researchers led by Todd Surovell, an archaeologist at the University of Wyoming, reevaluated the age and formation of MV-II. They concluded that Monte Verde was most likely occupied in the Middle Holocene, around 4,200 to 8,200 years ago…
Dr. Todd Surovell, and Claudio Latorre, a paleoecologist at the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile, visited Monte Verde in 2023….
“…proposes that the first Americans reached the New World by following the coastline along Beringia and into the American continents, using edible seaweeds as a food resource…
Revising Clovis First For the better part of a century, the main theory of human population of the Americas was that Clovis big game hunterscame into North America at the end of the Pleistocene along an ice-free corridorbetween ice sheets in Canada, about 10,000 years ago.”
I don’t really see any good evidence for pre-Clovis in the Americas except in eastern Bruna in Alaska where the evidence is very clear there are sites older than Clovis something that I’ve mentioned often on this channel. Too when the subject of pre -Clovis is brought up, I often find pre-Clovis sites objectively to be very ephemeral and scant.
You can look at a Paleolithic site in France, a Paleolithic site in Siberia, a Paleolithic site in the Levant and see very stratified and defined tool assemblages, very defined technologies and very distinct cultures. And with that, following the Paleolithic tradition of sites in the old world, Clovis sites in North America often look very similar to that. They’re stratified. There’s defined tool cultures and it is a distinct culture that you can see that is kind of ubiquitous across North America and parts of South America. So with all that laid out, I asked Todd here, do you agree that pre-Clovis seems a lot more ephemeral usually and Clovis seems to be more sound?
Todd:
I would say pre-Clovis, the record of Pre-Clovis in the continental United States is very different than the record of Clovis and the record of everything that follows Clovis. So in many ways, we could just start with abundance. Yeah, there’s lots of Clovis sites. There’s thousands of Clovis projectile points. Tons of buried excavated Clovis sites. There are dozens of them. And they date in a very, very consistent time period. They’re found across the continent. And they look like normal archaeological sites produced by hunter gatherers, meaning they have chip stone, a lot of flakes, they have hearth features, they’re stratographically discreet, meaning identified components. We have human remains from those time periods. You have things like bison bone beds in the Clovis time period and from there on after.
Pre-Clovis is different. Every pre-Clovis site is a little different. Some of them have artifacts that look a lot like they could have been produced by nature and only those kinds of artifacts or cut marks on bone or other kind of bone modifications that possibly could have been produced by nature. Other ones look like maybe artifacts have moved down from younger deposits into older sediments giving the appearance of the sites being older than they actually are. In some of them there’s no artifacts, but other things like footprints at White Sands or at Paisley Caves in Oregon, there’s very few artifacts. There’s a lot of artifacts above the pre-Clovis in the Clovis. In the pre-Clovis the arguments are based on copillates, fossil feces that are argued to be human, cut marks on bone, but not the typical things we get in in hunter-gatherer archaeological sites. So yeah, it’s different. Pre-Clovis looks different.
[The argument by the pro Pre-clovis scientists is that the sites were along the coast and therefore under water. – GC]
19 minutes – Just before Covid, Todd became ‘obsessed’ with the ‘seaweed’ at Monte Verde. If it was there then it was a strong indication that humans were too. He wondered if the ‘seaweed’ was correctly identifed and came up with a chemical test to prove the specimens actually were seaweed. He reached out to Chilean Claudio Latorre to help with this project. And then they reached out to Tom Dillehay, to ask him if he wanted to collaborate on it. And Tom’s answer was that’s impossible because the seaweed burned up in a fire. It’s long gone. Nice idea, but it’s just not possible. “That was a bummer but Claudio and I were undeterred.” [HOW CONVENIENT -GC]
34:10 Howe:
… those two red arrows should technically sit below that Lepué Tephra layer, but it doesn’t. The [volcanic 11,000-year-old Lepué ] tephra layer is found above it at Monte Verde. So that means that all that brown stuff there in the middle with that little piece of water means that sometime between 8,000 and 4,000 years ago, that stuff was washed down the creek and put into that spot where Dillehay, originally excavated Monte Verde. So therefore, Monte Verde is not 14,500 years old. It is only 11,000 years old or younger. So, as I mentioned with the carbon dating stuff earlier, the wood was carbon dated to be 6,000 years older than the last time that soil was exposed to sunlight. It’s all muddled from down the creek and put there. Likewise with the gomphotheres and the extinct camels. Those are ice age animals. They were washed from up creek down and deposited onto this site in the cut bank there where Monte Verde was found.
So therefore, it’s just a bunch of stuff washed from up the creek down onto where Monte Verde was. So that means at the time when Tom Dillehay, [an archaeologist at Vanderbilt University — GC] excavated the site, it did look ice age in nature. It had ice age animals. It had ice age deposits and things like that. But we know now with the volcanic ash dating that it can’t be any older than 11,000 years old. And that means that those [arrow & spear – GC] points I talked about too, that Dillehay claims to be Paleo-indian or ice age in typology, are not. They’re actually, as they do look, very similar to Holocene and other archaic era points in the area. [They] were washed down the creek and put on top at the site here. Their mixed context with those ice age animals. So, it would make sense that you would excavate it at the time and see it as an ice age site, but it’s not.
Doing fieldwork in Mongolia (Photo: Todd Surovell)
My work in Mongolia (Dukha Ethnoarchaeological Project) stems from work at the Barger Gulch site, a Folsom site in Middle Park, Colorado – this site was spectacular. The site was shallowly buried so we were able to open up big areas to look at space. This site really grabbed my attention. Because it was shallowly buried and we saw big clusters (of artifacts) over a large area, we really saw the opportunity to look at questions that hadn’t been explored a lot in Paleoindian archaeology… What I found was that people have developed models of how houses were used but they are very generalized. That further inspired me in this really simple idea of wanting to go and see people living a lifestyle similar to this and map them… LINK
[So Todd was very familiar with Folsom points among others. — GC]
Howe:
As well, we mentioned that twine and the stuff that was tied around the tent stakes that if it is twine that was tied around the tent stakes, sure that makes sense if it’s a Holocene era site. If it’s seaweed from a medicine bundle, it was seaweed chewed by people after the ice age, not during. And that twine too. If you see all the wood and the planks and stuff and the twine and the reeds that are up the creek of the site, a lot of that is just washed down the creek and wrapped around that possible tent stake and then fossilized over years becoming and looking like something like a tent stake. It’s either stuff washing down the creek wrapping around that wood or it’s stuff that maybe it was a tent stake and even if it was it doesn’t date to the ice age. It is Holocene in era. What this means here too, and just to reiterate, Monte Verde is no longer solid evidence for people in South America 14,500 years ago. Instead, it does though fit neatly into the middle Holocene era archaeology of Chile and the surrounding areas. It makes sense for that.
As such, the artifacts that I talked about do compare well to other Holocene era sites. So, all that said, this forces a re-evaluation of everything we know about the peopling of the Americas. Yes, other pre-Clovis sites in North America and some in South America might still have some validity, but sites like this, like Monte Verde — this is why intense scrutiny and skepticism when they come out is important. Because things like this can be found in Geo-archaeology. And other different types of sampling can be done to understand that they’re not exactly what they seem, especially when we only see clickbait titles in the news.
Whether or not this reopens the Clovis-first model or makes that the dominant model again, I doubt people will believe that. But it does open the doors to that being a possible claim again. So the bottom line here though, and I wrote this down, Monte Verde artifacts don’t prove Ice Age settlement. They’re from a much younger context. The Ice-free Corridor hypothesis was abandoned because of Monte Verde specifically. So the idea that people were coming across the Bering Land Bridge into the Americas was defunct and a lot of people say that it’s not true anymore because of Monte Verde specifically. However, Monte Verde is not an ice age site at all. Forget it exists. It’s just a later Holocene era site. That stuff might still be true.
So, with everything I just laid out with the methods and the results of this paper, let me just ask Todd, what was your goal with this paper? What were you trying to accomplish?
Dr. Todd Surovell at the Barnes Site, Hot Springs County, Wyoming (Photo: Todd Surovell)
The University of Alberta Association of Graduate Anthropology Students will be hosting the 24th Annual Richard Frucht Memorial Lecture Seriesfrom March 2-4, 2016. The distinguished speaker for this year’s conference is Dr. Todd Surovell of the University of Wyoming. I had a chance to interview Dr. Surovell about his research ahead of his upcoming visit to Alberta and he offered some fascinating insights into North American colonization, the extinction of North American megafauna, and his observations of household space use by Mongolian reindeer herders as a means to inform archaeological interpretations…
38:05 — Todd:
What’s my goal? Okay, Let me answer that [in] a couple ways. Yeah. Look, science is the pursuit of truth, right? I just want to know when people arrive in the Americas. It’s kind of a dumb simple question but one that’s vexed us for a long time. So [on] the one hand I want to know and knowing the age of this site helps us to answer that question.
I think there are a couple lessons here.
One, sometimes science gets it wrong but science is a really remarkable self-corrective process. In the long run in my opinion it always gets it right. And in what this study really shows is the value of independent evaluation or independent replication.
You know that in laboratory science that’s normal. You do some experiment on a bench in your lab. You write up the methods. Anybody else with a lab bench and that equipment and those materials can do the same experiment and replicate (or not) your results.
In archaeology, we are really bad at this. We’re really bad at allowing this. There’s a culture of ownership of sites, of ownership of collections that tends to prevent this kind of work, right? And again, I’m not even saying we’re right. All I’m saying is when we did try to do an independent replication, we failed and we came up with another story. Our work also should be subject to the same process. Other people should go in and do it. But in general, when you’re making extreme claims that are paradigm changing, those especially should be subject to independent verification. That is not what happened in 1997. Those people were not allowed to collect samples anywhere they want. They were not allowed to do excavations. They were not given unfettered access to the collections.
That’s the case at many pre-Clovis sites. And I really think we need to change the culture of archaeology. And this [Monte Verde — GC] is an excellent example of this. Maybe this is not the right parallel to make, but I’m sure you’re familiar with the case of Piltdown Man, right? It was supposed to change the story of human evolution, and was supposed to be the missing link between apes and humans. Turns out the whole thing was a forgery. You know why it took something like 40 years to figure that out? Because the scientists at the Natural History Museum in London who controlled the specimen would not allow access to it. And it wasn’t until he [Probably Sir Arthur Smith Woodward — GC] passed away that scientists got access to it and very quickly it was discovered the entire thing was a fake.
I’m not saying Monte Verde is a fake, but what I am saying is that when you put sites and collections under lock and key and prevent independent evaluation, it slows the progress of science, you know? So to me, like that’s the most important lesson out of this. Yeah, Monte Verde may not be as revolutionary as we thought it was, but it really should be a lesson to our discipline. It’s time to change how we do things.
It seems to me like a lot of pre-Clovis sites and things like that, even if there’s a piece of evidence, say its debitage, a bone, or something ephemeral, it always gets eaten up and swallowed by mainstream media. And I’ve seen like Sain was on ESPN news. I was saying that was really like a banner at the bottom unless I’m in a picture of it. But like Sain for example or Topper comes to CNN and then it [has] archaeologists baffled. Monte Verde was a site like this. So for people that are going to watch this video of me interviewing you here. Coming to be like well that can’t be true like Monte Verde is the site that makes like what? Do you see where I’m going with that?
41:40 –Todd:
I do. Yeah.
Look I told you in 1994 Tom Dillehay gave an incredibly compelling talk to me about Monte Verde that inspired my entire career. 30 years later, I decided he was wrong. Whether you think I’m right or wrong, I encourage you to figure out a way to evaluate what I’m saying. Right? You know, become an archaeologist. You can look at the data we’ve published. You can look at that and you can evaluate it yourself. You can look at all the data that has been published on Monte Verde, there’s a huge amount, and become an archaeologist. Get a permit, collect your own samples. I encourage that. I have no ownership of this, nor do I want any. Please test everything we’ve done. That’s the simple answer.Okay.
But what I want to say when you mentioned like Sain showing up on ESPN, the ESPN crawl or whatever about how all these sites are splashed across the pages of the New York Times and there, you know, they make the nightly news and things like that. In my experience, when scientific claims reach that level of publicity, they’re usually Bull Schiff. I’m not saying they’re always. Certainly, groundbreaking discoveries do happen. But let me put it to you this way. In terms of like thinking about finding the oldest site in the Americas, we’ve been looking now for a long damn time. You know, if we talk about since Folsom, nearly 100 years, but we were looking long before that. So, let’s say we’ve been looking for the oldest site for 150 years. In that process, we’ve investigated, I would say somewhere between 50 and 100 thousand sites.
It seems like with a sample of that size, you ought to be pretty close to the damn answer, right? And that you really shouldn’t expect something to come along that’s just going to blow everything out of the water that’s unlike anything we’ve ever seen. It’s just incredibly unlikely at this point. It was likely in 1928 and it sure happened then, but it’s really not likely anymore. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s really, really unlikely. So, when you see these really extreme claims, your first position should be skepticism. I’m not saying disbelief. I’m saying skepticism.
44:00 – Howe:
Sure.
If you’re familiar with my channel, you know I don’t often talk about this. It’s not really in my wheelhouse. It’s not really something I like talking about, but it’s just something that I think is important to mention here. Monte Verde is something I see discussed all the time among pseudo-archchaeologists. But not just pseudo-archchaeologists but advocational archaeologists, alternative archaeologists, alternative historians, people on the internet, people in my comment sections like you will point out that Monte Verde is the smoking gun that establishes Clovis-first as gone or negates the Bering Land Bridge theory and all that. So, I asked Todd here as an establishment Clovis-first, Clovis mafia archaeologist, why should these people listen to you and why is this research important for them to take into their understanding even if they don’t agree with it? Anything else you want to say to that?
Todd:
I guess to the Hancock people.
I’m not super educated about the Hancock stuff, but I saw the part I guess in the discussion with Flint Dibble where he says there’s still people questioning whether Clovis is first and that’s been settled for a long time. [Response to Joe Rogan Experience #2136 -Graham Hancock & Flint Dibble From Powerful JRE in the comments –GC]
Look, if you read the popular accounts, the Wikipedia pages, the archaeology textbooks, seems like it’s been settled for a long time. I will tell you being a professional working in this discipline, this is my specialty. And there are a lot of us who have long felt it hasn’t been settled. Talking to the people with true expertise people who really dig sites of this age. People who go and look for them, this has not [been] settled. It isn’t, and I can show you example after example from the scientific literature, legit stuff published before Monte Verde and since Monte Verde making arguments that Clovis-first is still very much alive and well. And by the way, for really good reason because the vast majority of evidence supports it. There’s just these weird little anomalous things that don’t.
I don’t know what to say about Hancock. I hope criticizing me becomes a standard part of his discussion now. I don’t mind that at all.
46:20 – Howe
So, with everything we just laid out, this will obviously cause a firestorm in the news and at least if not the news, the archaeological community and might send shock waves to be honest. So with all that said, I asked Todd, can you speak to that? And why are you in the news? And why should people listen to you?
46:30 — Todd
A major field of science got it wrong for a quarter century. Not only got it wrong, but was pretty convinced they had it right. This was almost portrayed to be unquestionable fact of science and we got it wrong. So, I think have a skeptical mind. Don’t believe experts. I am one. So, I understand the irony there, but have a skeptical mind.
47:05 — Howe
With all of that said, I’ll give you my opinion based on what I’ve seen here and the stuff in these graphs and the stuff in the pictures and all the excavations and all the sampling work I saw that Todd showed me. It does seem that Monte Verde is no longer a viable pre-Clovis site. However, as Todd said, [we will] leave that up to you. That is up to you to determine if you want to replicate this again. If you want to do the sampling and the site stuff, become an archaeologist, test it out yourself, see what you think.
And hopefully, as I said with most stuff, and I say this with every huge article that comes out, and as Todd pointed out, this stuff can be clickbait, huge headline, first people’s dates pushed back stuff is often because a few weeks later or a few months later, a rebuttal will come out that says the complete opposite. But the rebuttal, of course, doesn’t get the media attention and the clicks that it deserves, because the other stuff is more sensationalized. And I get that. My whole career works off of making clickbait titles. You probably clicked on this video for that same thing. So, we’re all guilty of it. It’s just kind of how the world works.
But when you look at the science and you see the science that’s packed into this stuff, make your own decisions. And I hope that you read. I hope that you take into consideration the stuff that Todd said, take into consideration stuff that you know about the People [of] Americas already and form your own opinion like I have now.
… And if you have comments, questions, or concerns, please, please put them in the comment section. I’ll send them to Todd for him to look at or he can look them up on my YouTube channel if he wants to. If you want to contact Dr. Todd Surovell, he is a professor of anthropology at the University of Wyoming and you can find his contact information there and I’ll put it in the description.
So, with all that, thank you very much for watching. Please leave those questions and comments in there. And if you have questions about other Clovis sites or other pre-Clovis sites that you think might be possibly incorrect or false or misleading, put those in the comments and let us know. Thank you very much.
Dr. Todd Surovell, professor of anthropology at the University of Wyoming
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That was my reaction to the information in this video.
Remember MKUltra? Well it was one of many such programs.
Remember Kanye West’s physical trainer threatening him? Well he is one of many esp. if you want to shut up a whistleblower.
Wonder why Candice Owen & Tucker Carlson went off the deep end? This maybe the answer.
But the one that made me cry is what those filthy nasty sadists do to our military and veterans!
“...Substance abuse and homelessness are two major issues that can often be intertwined, especially in the case of veterans….”LINK
Yeah, right. ESPECIALLY WHEN HELPED ALONG BY THE VA AND CIA! Alpha & the Colonel explain how it’s done towards the bottom of the transcript. I marked it with a smaller version of the above picture. So if nothing else read what these sadists are doing to our best and strongest.
I think this explains why POTUS Trump went after the VA in his first term. That mess was not incompetence, it was getting rid of the ‘Useless eaters’ and inconvenient witnesses.
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TRANSCRIPT I have cleaned it up and added references.
Alpha Warrior:
We’re doing part three of PSYOPS past and present.
I’m trying to figure out what the heck these tech issues are…. So hopefully this is an issue that will remedy itself. But with that, chapter 91, of Operation Gladio. Some interesting things happening. I will turn it over to you, Colonel, and let you decide what you want to share or not share. I don’t know what’s public yet.
Colonel Towner:
Well, apparently we are being watched. I don’t want to say any more than that, but the work that we do in exposing the CIA is coming to the attention of quite a few people. Both the work that we’ve done over on Badlands like the book club episodes and my own work. So, it’s getting very interesting. It appears that they really don’t like people telling the truth.
Alpha Warrior:
No, they don’t.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah. but at least there’s some agreement that the CIA is at the root of it. It’s just a matter of who they’re working through.
[I want to add, that I had a devil of a time finding the Youtube version of this video (and it’s transcript.) Brave would not pull it up no matter what I tried and even Yandex didn’t find it. I had to go to Alpha’s page to find it. –GC]
Alpha Warrior:
If you were hesitating to decide, well, it’s for sure now.
Colonel Towner:
If you didn’t think that all of what we’ve uncovered didn’t point directly at the CIA, especially on election interference, you’ve been asleep. So, obviously, the CIA PSYOPS program is monstrous. We’ve covered parts of it. I have two parts that has to be covered before we move on. And one of them is one that I don’t speak a lot of about because I’m not an expert in it. But it cannot be left out of the conversation and that has to do withMK Ultraand Project Artichoke. So, I don’t know if we’ll get through all of it tonight, but we’re going to talk about that tonight.
Colonel Towner:
I want to preface the rest of the shows on this psychological operation topic with something for people to ponder. I know we’ve got a lot of really good researchers out there, but I’m going to make the case over the rest of this, whether it’s this show and next week’s show or the next three shows, depending on how much we get done tonight. I have a hypothesis that most of the cult followings that we just kind of brush off as a weird lone wolf cult leader is not that at all. [Candice Owens??? – GC] Now, obviously when we did our Jim Jones deep dive into his quote unquote cult, we proved unequivocally that he was a CIA agent. He was involved in the coup in Brazil. He was involved in child trafficking and had lots of nefarious ties in San Francisco. And obviously his Jonestown camp was initially a CIA terrorist training camp that then served the purposes of an MK Ultra experiment.
A lot of people don’t put all of those together because they don’t understand Operation Gladio and how these people move seamlessly through this entire environment. He’s always set aside as this odd duck, a Kool-Aid drinking duck, which as we proved had literally nothing to do with it. So, I think that’s on purpose. And we’re going to go into a couple of the other cults that are associated with it. I say that to bring it home to today.
Many of the movements that you’re seeing today, whether it’s Antifa or whatever. These people, [such as] the764cult, they are all going to be tied back to some type of experimental drugs. Or take the whole trans-assassination thing. All are being given drugs. Who came up with that? Well, again, if you go back in history, this was talked about in the early 1900s. None of this, the whole gender dysphoria thing, none of this is new. It all ties back to the same root of this tree that we’re talking about.
So, I was digging around over the last week into theNational Security Archivesand there was some additional information that came out about MK Ultra in 2017. So, I’m going to set the stage for that and kind of go through that. It’s going to illustrate to you how coveted this information is to the intelligence agencies. They really don’t want anybody to know the full extent of it because once you do, you start connecting a whole bunch of dots that they don’t want you to connect.
So obviously the most notorious was the CIA experimentation with LSD and other drugs. And all of this came to light in October 1975 in US Senate testimony of the CIA‘s former top chemistSidneyGottlieb. He was the notorious chemist behind creating a lot of the drugs, the truth serums that they tried to experiment with, the brainwashing, all of that stuff. The results according to Sydney Gottlieb [testimony] was the results of everything told us, the money expended, the effort expended, the security risk involved, when you add everything up was not a high payoff program and that’s devastating. So they spent hundreds of millions of dollars, experimented on all types of people, which we’re going to get into in a minute. And according to them, there was not a high payoff at the end. I guess that depends on who’s keeping the scorecard. So what was interesting to me, is most of Gottlieb’s testimony was given behind closed doors. …To the Senate.
Now, again, we live in supposedly a representative republic. Those people in Congress are supposed to be the truth tellers that expose the executive branch’s nefarious doings. And they cannot do that behind closed doors. There should never, ever, ever, ever be testimony behind closed doors. Not in a representative republic.
So, a group at the National Security Archives went through the transcripts of Gottlieb’s testimony to the staff of the US Senate Committee to study government operations with respect to intelligence activities, more commonly known as theChurch CommitteeThey were published in the National Security Archives and it contained 50 years of history of intelligence oversight hearings along with the selection of declassified CIA memorandums and other records concerning MK Ultra and related projects that Gottlieb was asked about during his Senate deposition. The search committee transcripts highlighted what was referred to as CIA and behavioral sciences mind control drug experiments [such as] MK Ultra, that was eventually published in 2024. Other documents that were found recently declassified in the CIA FOIA reading room, [Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room] some as recently as 2017. Among other things, the recently declassified transcript of the closed door hearings held in October of 1975 shed new light on a bizarre and abusive research project that was associated with the CIA’s technical services staff. That’s abbreviated TSS. It also included the mind-altering drugs that according to Sydney Gottlieb ‘s words, quote, “The unwitting and total lack of awareness on the part of somebody who was being interrogated that way might have been the key thing.”
So in other words, they drugged people unknowingly and then interrogated them. At one point, a Senate staffer asked Gottlieb about a document indicating that one interrogatee had been secretly given a large dose of LSD that induced a severe classic paranoid reaction so extreme that he was declared mentally ill by an equally unwitting psychiatrist and thus discredited in the eyes of the group in which he was working.
Now, just stop right there and take a deep breath and think about that. How many people in Hollywood have suddenly flipped out?
Correct. There have been people that are very well known that have for all intents and purposes, even if they’re not technically & legally a whistleblower, have exposed earth shattering things and then basically are classified as going off the deep end.
So, did they actually go off the deep end or were they part of one of these experiments?
Apha Warrior:
I think the one that supports what you’re saying the most right now is Kanye. [r/Kanye on Reddit: This textKanye got is wild. ] What did he say? What was it three or four years ago when his physical trainer? Yeah. His trainer. And we’re like, that’s handler conversation right there. I mean, it’s exactly what I think you’re going with right now.
Colonel Towner:
I am. And that’s why I think it’s so important for people to understand what has already been proven to be true. So in looking around you today, you understand a lot of these people have been slipped drugs and then they will be taken to a psychiatrist displaying total mental illness indications, when in fact they are actually under some type of psychological operation to discredit them. And of course in Britney Spears case she was on the verge of telling people about how Hollywood operated and what had happened to her when she was little. So immediately discrediting her in the eyes of the public was critically important.
So, moving on,Gottlieb said during the hearing that it had been recognized that this kind of thing might happen to make somebody behave erratically for the purpose of his colleagues losing faith in his ability to act responsibly. It’s happened with scientists. Other parts of the hearing focused on Gottlieb’s involvement in the CIA assassination plots, especially those targeted at Fidel Castro and its support to the activities of federal agencies through MHCHAOS, the subject of an earlier Rockefeller Commission report. The committee also asked Gottlieb about his own experiences taking LSD, which he characterized as disorienting and otherworldly.
Gottlieb said that LSD “gave you propioceptions,” which he said meant “perceiving feeling in yourself as opposed to feelings of things outside yourself, like seeing a door as opposed to feeling something inside your own body.” Details about MK Ultra and the related programs first emerged in the 1970s alongside the revelations that the CIA had been involved in multiple assassination plots and other misdeeds that were exposed in leaks to the media. Most notably by the Church and Pike committees and the Rockefeller Commission in the mid 1970s.
And of course, keep in mind in the mid 1970s, what is going on? You have the whole commotion with Nixon that just happened. You have the presidency of Ford. Rockefeller becomes the vice president who runs one of these commissions. And while things were exposed, it was basically a cover-up operation. And who’s the CIA director at the time? George H.W. Bush.
And it is in January 1977 when Carter takes over that he tells George H.W. Bush that he’s not goingto be continued as the CIA director. So that’s when all of these things are happening. So you’ve got George H.W. Bush as the CIA director. And as we all know, Gottlieb and those guys in the CIA shred most of MK Ultra documents under the tutelage of George H.W. Bush. In the late 70s, the CIA victim task force reached out to the presumed victims of the CIA experiments, some of whom later filed lawsuits after learning that the agency had secretly drugged them or the members of their family. And of course, Olsen, who was one of the guys that was actually working in this area for the CIA as a scientist.
Frank Olsen, supposedly was ruled as committing suicide when in fact he was given, without his knowledge, LSD and just went totally crazy. And once the family realized what had happened and that the CIA was actually doing this to people, it was later determined that he was actually murdered and thrown out of a window. I mean, that’s the hypothesis at the end of the deal. That they were doing this.
So, as a result of all of the these revelations, Gottlieb had up to that point been anonymous. No one knew who he was because everything that was done with him was behind closed doors. So, the shroud of anonymity for the first time was broken after stories linked him [ Gottlieb] to the death of Frank Olsen, drug tests on unwitting US citizens and the destruction of records related to these programs.
This letter signed by Frank Olson states that in the event he becomes ill that he must report only to U.S. Army doctors and facilities and forbids his use of public sector medical facilities or doctors. The contract also states that in the event of his death Fort Detrick in Maryland will “make arrangements for and conduct the processing of my remains and to place them in a sealed casket which will not thereafter be opened.”
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Gottlieb was an obvious target according to author Steven Kenser. I’ve read several of his books. The one where he talks about this is his book, called Poisoner in Chief It was published in 2019. It’s basically a biography of Sydney Gottlieb. So, in this book, he kind of puts all of the pieces together. He says that his chief ally in the CIA was Richard Helms, who had been director of the CIA in 1966, and he was fired two years later. MK Ultra was no longer well regarded. Perhaps worst of all, he was tainted by the fact that his technical service division had collaborated with the Watergate burglars. So, it all ties together.
Declassified records and other evidence show that the US research into human behavior control and efforts to operationalize these methods extended across multiple US agencies, not just the CIA. It involved numerous officials. Few, if any, were more central to these programs, though, than Gottlieb, who was involved in nearly every aspect of the program, including research, field test, and the use of these methods in intelligence operations. He would actually fly to places and administer this program. The declassified evidence also shows that Gottlieb was a key bureaucratic player who signed off on hundreds of MK Ultra sub projects and who developed clandestine relationships, …wait for it,… with universities, prisons, hospitals, private laboratories, and private foundations. Prisons is an interesting one, isn’t it?
The church committee faced considerable obstacles when they were trying to reconstruct this story because Gottlieb and Richard Helms had destroyed most of the original records in 1973. On top of that, Gottlieb’s attorney, Terry Lenznerconvinced the Senate, and I don’t think it took too much convincing, that Gottlieb would be granted immunity, in exchange for his testimony. So, the Senate protected this monster who experimented on American citizens and was responsible for at least one death that we’ve talked about so far.
Gottlieb and Lenzner: Sidney Gottlieb (left), former head of the CIA’s Technical Services Division, talks with his attorney Terry Lenzner on the day of his testimony before the Senate health subcommittee, September 21, 1977. (AP)
But even with those protections, Gottlieb had a really fuzzy memory behind closed doors. He seemed to have forgotten quite a bit. Gottlieb remembered. so little that one wonders whether or not he had taken some of his own medicine. Gottlieb and Lenzner said as much during his deposition during discussions of the Olsen case. Lenzner asked quote “who has access to this transcript” unquote talking about the transcript of the secret Senate meeting. Okay. before Gottlieb says anymore, he wants to know who will ever get to see this transcript so they know how much to reveal. Even though the man has immunity, he wanted to know specifically, quote, “a private party in a lawsuit, could they obtain Gotlib’s deposition through a subpoena? Committee staffer Elliot Maxwell said that while the rules did not address a specific issue like that, he did not think it was possible to obtain executive session testimony in a lawsuit.” You know why? Because the Freedom of Information Act doesn’t apply to the Senate nor the House. You know, that only applies to everybody else. However, they were wrong on both counts. The transcript was first declassified and given to the estate of MK Ultra victim Stanley Glickman in 1995 during the course of a lawsuit against the CIA, Helms and Gottlieb. Though it was not made available to the general public, just to that court. The declassified transcripts were finally made public only recently due to a 2017 FOIA request.
In their questioning of Gottlieb, the Church Committee staffers relied heavily on CIA records obtained by the committee, but again, most of them had been shredded. Two key reports by the CIA Inspector General that took a critical look at these programs linked to Gottlieb. One did in 1963 and related activities to MK Ultra and another one in 1967 an investigation of the CIA‘s involvement in assassination plots of foreign leaders. The transcripts of Gottlieb‘s testimony before the members of the church committee in [static] but are referenced throughout the committee’s interim report that was published in November of 1975.
Gottlieb appeared at this first series of secret hearings using a pseudonym. They didn’t even list his real name on the docket at the Senate. His name was Joseph Snyder. That’s the name he used. The questions during the hearing were about the assassination plot against Fidel Castro and Patrice Lumumbain the Congo among others because they were going to try to poison Patrice Lumumba too. They ended up just killing him and then boil him in acid. The conversation on the first day of his testimony focused on the early years of the drug testing, his participation in interrogations where the drugs were administered, and his own experiences. Gottlieb said for the first 6 months to a year he was working at the CIA, there were a lot of things going on. He specifically recalled Project Artichokeinitially which is the precursor to MK Ultra. It involved barbiturates being administered as a truth serum. He said, this is a quote, “barbiturates administered in the truth serum mode.”
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in a sort of medical setting planned for and I think finally carried out in Europe.”Although he claims to never have been present for any of the artichoke interrogations, Gottlieb said they involved a substance that was a powerful barbiturate along with a series of what he called hypnotic or sleep induced materials to catch a person on his way to sleep. He hoped that it would then make the victim be more open and vulnerable to interrogation. The use of a medical setting was not necessarily done to protect the subject according to Gottlieb, but was more like an elaborate ruse to make it so the man was aware in some way for some reason that for his safety he was in a quote unquote medical setting with physicians aroundwhile they’re injecting him with the barbiturates.
Alpha Warrior:
Yeah. Yeah. using a person’s own thought process of security, that’s twisted.
Colonel Towner:
Yes. And I think it’s so important that we understand that just cuz our brains don’t think this way. They’re just so evil. It’s hard to contemplate how evil these people are. And the other interesting thought of that whole situation is that how well thought out this is, right? The drug, the setting, the person that you’re going to be doing this to and when are they the most vulnerable? And I want to make this point. These most recent CIA guys running around trying to pretend like waterboarding is the worst thing that the CIA has ever done to anybody and that’s the limit of their torture? I mean they’re lying to your face.
That is such limited hangout it’s not even funny. Water boarding isn’t even in the bottom 10 of the crazy shit or in the top 10 of the crazy shit that they do to people while they’re interrogating them.
Alpha Warrior:
You know? Here’s one that doesn’t require any tools and it is torture. Sleep deprivation.
Imagine having a sandbag over your head and you’re told to stand. You lose your concept of day and time. And as you start to get tired and you go to sit down and then they let you sit down cuz they know your leg muscles can only hold you up so long. And as they see you starting to nod off, they make youstand again and they just repeat that process over and you will go crazy if you can’t sleep and don’t know what time it is.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah. The medical setting, even if it’s artificial, was what differentiated Artichoke interrogations from those Gottlieb admitted to witnessing himself, mainly during the 1950s. These are referred to throughout the transcripts as interrogations and are sometimes called MKDELTAinterrogations. Gottlieb told the committee that the technical services branch (TSS) wanted something that was more covert than Artichoke techniques. Something that did not require the subject to believe they were under medical care. That was the general idea. Or to get as close to that kind of capability as we could.
Investigators also asked Gottlieb for information about how the drugs were tested and the distinction between testing and their operational use as an approved operation of the CIA, which was the focus of MKDelta. Gottlieb said that there was also such a thing as operational testing, a combining of the two. Where they could get, on one hand it was potentially useful to have an approved operation from the CIA to then use to experiment on the people. So they’re operationally testing these drugs. The committee staff asked Gottlieb about the extent of the CIA sponsored drug testing in prisons, in psychiatric facilities in the US. They asked on the first day of the testimony, he recalled Artichoke operations either in prisons or mental hospitals or other facilities that might hold either criminals or the criminally insane. Gottlieb replied, quote, “I don’t remember anything like that.”unquote However, the very next day, Gottlieb said that he did remember that the TSS conducted quote unquote “general research at hospitals with psycho-chemicals.” Although he took issue with the word prison to describe what he said were treatment facilities ran by the public health services for people with criminal backgrounds.
So, for those of you who don’t know, the US government has an entire medical core of people called public health services. They actually have military rank. They go out to indigenous poor populations. It’s like a medical scholarship. They’ll send you to medical school and in return you do so many years in a poor area that doesn’t have adequate access to medical facilities. These are the people that are administering these things.
Gottlieb was similarly evasive in a response to a question about whether experiments were done at universities. Finally settling on this statement. quote, “There was some of the work involving such testing that went on at hospitals that were affiliated with universities and might have used university students as volunteers.” Asked again about these kinds of projects. On the final day of testimony, Gottlieb admitted that CIA had an extensive research program in regard to human experimentation on psycho chemicals under MK Ultra, adding that a lot of these things were done in hospitals and mental institutions. And when you say hospitalization, the people were already in the hospital.
Senate staffers referred Gottlieb to memos of Artichoke committee meetings in 1953 in which the CIA officials discussed the need for a ” large number of bodies” A large number of bodies, that was written in a CIA cable to be quote “used for research and experimentation in regard to psycho-chemicals” unquote.
What was going on in 1953? That was the end of the Korean War. I think they were… quote “problem of returning POWs from Korea”unquote and the interrogation of “particular POWs at Valley Forge and proposals to interrogate them.” In most cases, Gottlieb failed to remember any details about any of this. — They brought Korean POWs into the United States and the CIA experimented on them.
Gottlieb did recall working with the army on certain MK Delta interrogations. While the precise location of the operation was still redacted because they’re not allowed to operate in the United States. The time frame coincides with the reported trip of Gottlieb to East Asia in 1953 to assist with prisoner interrogations in Korea. He told the committee that he participated in at least 6 to 12 interrogations.
Now, keep in mind he’s being asked these questions 20 years after the fact. I don’t know, but if I ever had to sit in on an interrogation like that, it would be emblazoned in my memory forever. Not like kind of a ballpark figure. So, this is a quote. “To the best of my recollection, I was approached by an individual from the headquarters desk involved that the approval of such a trip and such a series of technical assisted interrogations. And by technically assisted I mean using LSD consisted of approval from the branch chief, the division chief and the deputy director. I discussed with redacted the nature of the assistance that LSD could provide in the interrogation and there was some cables exchanged I believe although I can’t remember in detail now and I can’t recall the specific arrangements whether I was looking through it through a mirror or anything like that. I know I saw the interrogations.” So again, he’s trying to evade actually saying he witnessed the interrogations. Does it matter if he was behind a glass mirror? No.
Committee staffers directed Gottlieb to another memo about an interrogation indicating quote “the officer to give the drug was familiar with its use and had worked with the technique in Europe.”unquote . So what were we doing in Europe administering drugs? While claiming not to remember the specific case, Gottlieb admitted that he himself fit this description. So he was there ,in Europe, drugging people. On the third day of testimony, Gottlieb was asked about a little known project called QKHILLTOP about which he offers few details. Although it has since been learned that this was a program through which the CIA sought to study what they believed highly advanced brainwashing techniques in use by communist China. [ Think of the J-6ers when you watch this 3 minute video -GC]
One of the church committee staffers described a record they had seen about Hilltop interrogation in which an unwitting subject had been given a large dose of LSD in a scheme to have them declared mentally ill by a physician who was unaware that they had been administered the drug. Here’s a quote.
The cable I referred to indicated that 200 units of this drug was given to subject number one and that this precipitated severe classic paranoid reaction. The subject believed that light bulbs were emitting hot and cold rays to produce scientific death and told the guard that someone was trying to read his mind and went into a schizophrenic reaction.
Colonel Towner:
Now again, there’s been so many people that have talked about things like this, there are these mass killers. And so you have to now go back and look at everything that we’ve ever had reported on, like the uni-bomber, cuz he was tied to everything. He was part of MK Ultra at MIT if I’m not mistaken.
Alfa Warrior:
Yeah, Kathy Eminence [in the chat] says this makes me think of Fauci and the Beagles. That’s Fauci.
Colonel Towner:
I definitely think Fouchi is connected to the QKHilltop. As I was searching the documents, this is one of the declassified ones. It’s short, but it’s March 1st, 1955. Memorandum for the record.
Subject Project QKHilltop [They show the memo]
Number one. I was informally told today by redacted that this project has been discontinued since the basic objective had been assumed by another agency of the government redacted office of general counsel.
Colonel Towner:
And who’s that from?
Alfa Warrior:
They don’t provide any other information. That’s the only information. It just says office of general counsel but it’s redacted.
Colonel Towner:
you can’t see who’s the CC to down at the bottom?
Alfa Warrior:
That’s redacted too the person that they were told by is redacted the person that signed it is redacted and the person that was CC to is redacted.
Colonel Towner:
So they just basically moved it operationally probably out of the CIA. And probably over to NIH [National Institutes of Health] since they run all the studies.
So talking about how they get the doctor to classify these people as crazy. Now again, this is what happens to whistleblowers, right? They get slipped these drugs and they go crazy and then they have an independent doctor say they’re crazy and then they’ve just negated everything they’ve ever said because the person’s now crazy. The doctor diagnosed the subject as mentally ill according to the document and it was apparently done in order to have the subject labeled as mentally ill which would allow him to be discredited in the eyes of the group in which he was working.
Gottlieb did not remember that particular case, but said, quote, “It had been recognized that this kind of thing might be a need that the CIA might help with to make somebody behave erratically for the purpose of his colleagues losing faith in his ability to act responsibly.” unquote. Senate investigators later asked Gottlieb about a separate MKDelta interrogation that was reported as a success because it induced a paranoid reaction in the presence of an unwitting psychiatrist such that it was possible to have the subject committed to an institution at will, thereby denying the redacted forever a loyal follower. Gottlieb said that using LSD guaranteed that you almost always were sure to get some particular behavior on the part of the individual and to the extent that it was useful to the agency’s operations. It was effective. So lock him up in a mental institution. That’s the gauge of effectiveness.
But Gottlieb said that his opinion about the usefulness of LSD had changed with time. Well, too bad because you’ve already got dead bodies laying around. Gottlieb also was asked about drug tests on unwittingquote unquote volunteersin the early 1960s, including US military operations designated as THIRD CHANCE and DERBY HAT.
Between 1955 and 1958 the Army also tested LSD on 1,000 volunteer US servicemen at Fort Bragg and the Army’s Chemical Warfare Laboratories at Edgewood.
While not recalling those specific operations, Gottlieb said that during Vietnam, the military was considering the use of LSD on a fairly large scale.
Alfa Warrior:
This makes me so uneasy when I hear this part, Colonel. Cuz we still don’t know what that pill that they made us take while we’re in Iraq for the first third of our deployment. It’s not in our SRBs. They told us that it was for malaria, but then they made us stop taking it. I’m telling you. And the reason it just gives me angstis cuz I know some of the guys that committed suicide are not suicidal people. And and I get it. People are say, “Well, you never know what someone’s going through.” And I get it. These dudes are dudes that when you I mean, you know what it’s like in service. You you know each other’s stories. These were guys that had not encountered rough patches in their life before? And were able just to push through like champs. And then all of a sudden years later, you find out some of these guys committed suicide. And then if you really want to go into it, some of them pursued lives as contractors.
Colonel Towner:
And we’re subject to what? Because the contractors are working for the CIA. And if you want to get rid of somebody that you’ve sent on an assignment, getting them committing suicide is one of the easiest ways to get rid of them.
Colonel Towner:
Okay. This is another quote [from Gottlieb] “and the fairly large scale I am talking about in an interrogation sense. Interrogating a number of prisoners and that we were asked to come in on that and I forget what the occasion was and I forget who was there.” Sure you do. “But I do remember being there at at least once with Mr. Desmond Fitzgerald when he was the deputy director of plans.”For those of you who don’t know we’ve come across Desmond FitzGerald on so many of the things as a matter of fact in “Safe for Democracy” we were just talking about the overthrow of Indonesia and of course Desmond Fitzgerald is one of the leading figures in running that operation. He was also involved in the Bay of Pigs and so many other things.”
Gottlieb said that the agency had as many failures as successes with LSD. Asked why the committee did not see the evidence of the interrogation cases that had been judged to be failures. Gotlib suggested that the records of those operations in many cases reflected what the reporting officers wanted their bosses to hear. The reports of success have to be seen with a grain of salt. Not that people falsified anything, but that they were very close to the situation in their evaluation of how much national interest was served by the information that they got from their interrogations.The results of everything told us that the money expended, the efforts expended did not necessarily have a high payoff.
Alpha Warrior:
Let me interrupt you real quick. I’d like to get your thoughts on this comment coming over from YouTube. This is Medi. This is actually an old time friend Colonel. I really like this guy. And he says,
“Alpha, I would say Alpha and the Colonel, may have stumbled upon why the US government does not want to acknowledge the veteran suicide rate.”
I’d really like to get your comment on that.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah, I thought that immediately when I was going through this material, have been in the military and especially for myself as a commander. My ex-husband’s son was a Marine and he committed suicide while he was on active duty. This is a subject that is very, very close to me. I had in my last command an individual that was working for me that basically committed suicide. She did it in a horrific way. She jumped out of a car. Basically, according to the people in the car with her, she faked a medical emergency on the side of I-85. Got out of the car like she was going to be sick and ran into traffic. I get a phone call at two o’clock in the morning and my first sergeant & I have to identify who she was. We had to go to the office because it was up near Atlanta. We were south of Macon, Georgia. And you know, you’re seeing the photographs of her that was emailed to us so that we could make a positive identification of her. She was an airman. And so I know that there are circumstances that don’t involve the CIA at all, but I also know that there are circumstances that 100% are. My biggest concern is the VA’s role in all of it.The VA is part and parcel of this entire operation because they follow the military service members out of the military and basically for the rest of their lives. And so there’s plenty of opportunities when someone gets a little rogue or off the sheet of music to have government people put in their lives under whatever the circumstances are and assist them in a suicide by medical means or you know these types of narcotics. And so absolutely I don’t think there’s near the amount. Alpha, I’m the the classic example of that.
I was vaccine injured with the anthrax vaccine. I was medically retired and their only answer for me was to give me 13 different narcotics so that I was able to walk. There was no actual the only surgical option I was given while I was still on active duty when I was at Randolph Air Force Base in San Antonio. The VA is not interested in fixing you. They are interested in medicating you. That opens up the possibility for anybody who is a special operator under their care who is viewed as a security risk to be taken out. It would be the simplest, easiest thing to do. [lots of static] Give them a certain type of narcotics, call it something else, and have it be something that just makes them wig out.
Alpha Warrior:
And that’s why, and the gentleman that’s in there, is it Collins? [Douglas A. Collins] I might have the name wrong, but some of the VA guys or some of the vets that I’m talking to are now having these conversations with the VA, they’re giving me hope of some changes that are coming in there. I’ve avoided it like the plague never gone once. There’s every time I heard my buddies go and share the same stories that you just did, Colonel, you know, this is what they want to give them for the painkillers before they can move on to another opinion or another remedy. It’s this addictive stuff.
So, it’s just like why do you want to go and seek help [from the VA], when you already know from everybody else that goes, they turn [you] into addicts. Then some of those addicts, because they’re not going to give you the amount that you need when you become an addict, so then these guys start to go and look for it on the street, because they need more. Which leads them to an even darker path. And then again, we hear some of the conclusions that you’re talking about. And there’s something there, I don’t disagree.
Colonel Towner:
The problem though, Alpha, is for many of the people that are actually injured, you don’t have a choice because of the VA rating system. You have to go to the VA for those exams. You have to go to the VA doctors during that rating process while it’s ongoing. If you don’t go you do not get your disability and that’s kind of the catch 22. There are a lot of people, my cousin being one of them [who do not go and do not get their disability.] He was a cop in the air force and exposed to nuclear weapons. I mean he was a cop guarding nuclear weapons. That’s what he did for 22 years and he developed cancer. He never went to the VA. He never got his VA disability. Nothing. I made him go to get his VA disability because it pissed me off that he should have had it for a lot longer than he was able to get it. But more and that’s the point I made to him. He’s like, you know, I’m fine. I do have cancer and it’s been tied to the exposure and all that other stuff. And I just looked at him one day and I said, this isn’t about you, this is about your wife. She needs to have those benefits as well. And that was the one thing that broke the camel’s back and he finally did go and get it. So yeah, it’s awful.
Alpha Warrior:
It is. I’m gonna put a Rumble ad right here just to create a break and then bring us back on task because this one really is one that upsets me. Because they did it to us. You did it to the people that were willing to sacrifice their lives for the country. Like you did it to the best part of America and it just like with the covid. It’s upsetting. it is.
Alpha Warrior:
All right, Colonel, bring us back to these other programs. You talked about a lot of programs here with Project Artichoke, MKUltra, you are looking through these things. It opens all these other ones that are related to it. Ones I didn’t even hear about. We all know that, allegedly, they stopped MK Ultra, but then I learned that there’s, another one that came after that and I’m like, what? Why isn’t everybody talking about that? So, please continue.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah.Nothing has ever stopped that the CIA has ever done because they’ve never been held accountable, EVER. Why would you stop doing something when even when they’re caught, they never get held accountable? Which is why Mockingbird never stopped. MK Ultra never stopped. I would say COVID was MK Ultra as well. And I do believe those vaccines altered people both physically and mentally.
Alpha Warrior:
What’s one of the best ways to target somebody? It is isolation and that’s exactly what COVID was.
Colonel Towner:
Yes. Yeah. I believe firmly that they go on today. All right.
They further probe the subject of drug tests on unwitting subjects. During the committee, they asked Gottlieb about CIA supplied safe houses in New York City and San Francisco. They were staffed by federal narcotics agent George White[He was a Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) investigator and undercover Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operative. –GC] Yes, this would be the current day DEA that was involved in this. There was an arrangement with Richard Helms and it was described as using the Bureau of Narcotics as a cutout. Gottlieb said that the cutout [was] meant to remove the CIA by one or two steps from its activity. In other words, they just put a CIA agent in the DEA to administer this program in the United States because technically they’re not allowed to do it. Just like they put CIA people in the FBI to do exactly the same thing. And in local police departments and in local sheriff’s departments and everywhere they want to do something with a cutout.
..He was also a federal observer for the controversial narcotics experiments by the Central Intelligence Agency as part of MK-ULTRA and Midnight Climax.[5] During the “scientific experiment” known as Midnight Climax, White was responsible for dosing gangsters, pimps, prostitutes, and other American citizens with a variety of narcotics and drugs without their knowledge, and reporting their behaviors to Dr. Sidney Gottlieb.[6]…
Gottlieb said, in a December 1963 memo, that was cited by the committee staffers on day four of the testimony, that Helms had called the project with White 8 years of close collaboration. Gottlieb described how they used the safe houses to conduct an array of experiments using drugs, hypnotic and other techniques. quote, “We developed a liaison with the Bureau of Narcotics whereby we would share information on LSD and other drugs. The mechanism for this was our funding –our funding, the CIA funding— of two safe houses at different times for the Bureau of Narcotics which the bureau would use for meeting informants and pursuing their own business and which premises we would occasionally use for our own meetings.
Gottlieb suggested that he himself had taken LSD at one of the safe houses. Quote, “As I remember it, some of the experiments we did on self-administration of drugs took place in one of those apartments.” He later said again that he believed that some of these meetings where we self-administered LSD early on were held at the safe houses. Gottlieb and White had a very friendly relationship. According to various [bad static] White diary accounts. Diary entries, some of which were published in one of the other NSA collections, record many instances of Gottlieb visiting the safe houses. Gottlieb told the committee he met with him three or four times a year. White had some prior experience – OH, you know in the OSS during World War II — and he would use all kinds of drugs to include marijuana in interrogations. And that was during a period when I was looking for this kind of knowledge and specialty in an operational sense. Gottlieb said that he worked out an arrangement with White. quote, “He would get supplies of LSD from us and use them in circumstances that he felt were of relevancy to his work of dealing with informants and working in the general field of narcotic enforcement, and that we would be made privy, at least in a general way, to the results and effectiveness of these activities, in return for which we would financially support the maintenance of these safe houses, which the Bureau of Narcotics, as I remember, badly needed for these operations. because they didn’t have the finances.”
So, in summary, the CIA is using their money to rent houses for the DEA to drug [BAD Static]And of course, this guy [White] is basically a CIA guy posing as a DEA guy. And they’re using the safe houses to experiment on Americans using CIA money.
Alpha Warrior:
Which is our money. The safe house is being funded by us. The CIA money is being funded by us. Like, it’s all our money.
Colonel Towner:
The LSD is being funded by us.
Alpha Warrior:
You know, I don’t know if he said it publicly, so I’ll be careful.
So, I was told by someone who worked… I’m going to be very vague on this because people isolate. I was told by someone who worked in the military with stuff that has to do with boats in the military and where they go and they confiscate some of the narcotics and this traffic. We’re talking, a very long time ago. I never really asked that question, as a cop. Cuz again, you don’t think you’re working for people that are bad. But, like with, interdiction, you find it in a, semi or during a bust. You get these kilos of heroin or coke or whatever. Well, some of it is filtered back into the task force because it’s used to to do these operations. I get that. I just kind of assumed that the rest went into an evidence locker and then when the case came to a resolution, it’s destroyed. But it’s not.
A large portion of these narcotics are sold right back into the cartels. And I was like, wait, what? Weird.
Colonel Towner:
Yeah, we actually found that in Gary Webb’s book when we were looking at the Dark Alliance where this evidence would just mysteriously disappear, especially in LA.
Alpha Warrior:
That one dislocated my jaw colonel. I was like, “So, you’re telling me that every single one of us that risked our lives to get this off the streets because ultimately we don’t want it to get into the hands of our kids or to continue feeding the cycle of these people that become addicted to it. We just sell it right back to where it came from? And people get paid off and then it just comes right back into the cycle. So, we’re chasing our tails in a circle. This is serious.” He’s “I’m being serious, Yeah. I was, you know what? Thank goodness I didn’t learn that as a cop because I would have got myself in trouble. I would have… I mean, I know the way I am. There’s, you know, God’s plan is perfect and no matter how much it may hurt us sometimes, but I would confront my chief on something like that.
Hey, chief, this is what I heard. Is this what’s happening? And if you don’t have the answer, that’s fine. Just don’t lie to me.
Colonel Towner:
I want to see, because in the military, when you have narcotics to train the dogs with. I had that as an additional duty when I was stationed in Italy. I was the security officer for the cops. And I
know what it takes. We just had little vials of it. I know what it takes as far as security goes, as far as signing it out, signing it back in, having the chain of custody the entire time it’s in use. I was part of that process. And to know what we go through for security of that type of thing and then to run across that in Gary Webb’s book, I was like, are you FUCKING kidding me?
Alpha Warrior:
I am not going to say what the law enforcement process is, but I’ll tell you guys what Disneyland’s process is, because I didn’t sign an NDA for them.
I was part of the K9 unit they have. They call it the Pluto unit. And in this unit, you have explosives and narcotics. And here’s something we do with both of them. Remember folks, this is Disneyland, okay? So you can imagine the bar for law enforcement or the military?
You go in, and it’s in this big old safe that’s meant, [to contain] explosives if something happened and it went off. To minimize the the damage to property or life. One — two people got to be present. Ain’t no one person, Two people got to be present. But on top of that, two signatures. But it’s not just two people that are present. And it’s not just two signatures. You got to weigh it.
Colonel Tower:
Yes.
Alpha Warrior:
What did it weigh when you took it out?
Colonel Tower:
Yes. That’s exactly the process they use in the military. And when you return it, you got to weigh it again. Yes.
Alpha Warrior:
And if that number don’t add up, a whole lot of people are going to come asking questions on what’s going on.
Alpha Warrior:
Yep. So, how in the world can anyone say you lost kilos, metric tons?
Colonel Tower:
Yeah. Baloney.
[Same procedure is outlined for handling narcotics by the FDA. I had to write the protocol for a pilot plant. -GC]
Colonel Tower:
So, the committee showed Gottlieb the memo that was dated December 1953 on the status of the agency’s LSD supply, noting that White, the DEA guy, of the Bureau of Narcotics, had been provided with LSD by the CIA by then at the latest. The memo came as the agency was looking to account for its LSD research and testing program after Frank Olsen’s death. They were scrambling. Other records included White’s diary entries show that he was experimenting with CIA supplied LSD for nearly a year. At that point, White first spoke to Gotlib about the project in May of 1952. And while he did not get final clearance until the next year, [formalized in the summer of 1953.] his experiments dosing unwitting people with Gottlieb’s LSD was already underway in January of 53.
So, he doesn’t have formal approval, but he’s doing it anyway. and that’s the way the CIA operates. Gottlieb claimed to not remember much about how White reported back to him on the results of his drug experiments, but said that White “was trying to use this material as close to the manner in which we at that time thought we might find some use of operationally, namely to see whether we could elicit more information from informants and other people he was dealing with.” He later added that White’s experiments quote were very useful operationally. It was practically the only information we had that was relevant to an operational situation or something near it.”. Asked again to reflect on the project with White, Gottlieb said: “I don’t think this corner of the MK-ULTRA project was looked upon as a scientific experiment, it was more of an operational, simulated operational test. And I don’t think, as I remember it, that we were hoping to get what I would call scientific information from it.”
We were just doing it. It had no scientific value. We were just drugging people for the hell of it to see if we could get them to talk more. So, I don’t know how much farther you want to go on. We’re going to talk in depth about MK Delta, and the death of Frank Olsen and so we could save that for next week if you want.
Alpha Warrior:
Oh, that’s fine. Let me bring this up right here. This is a gentleman we talked about a lot tonight. The CIA had Richard Helms.
Yeah. And that’s him. It says that. There’s a couple of things here that that got my interest on this photo.
But it’s at a Georgetown party, but not just any regular party. It’s a book party. And for those of you that have been following a certain board out there that has to do with the 17th letter. They’ve told us to follow these book deals. They weren’t just talking about the time we live in. I would imagine that this stuff goes all the way back to this time. Think about it. I mean book deals being made to launder the money so these people all get paid. And they document it! It’s documented. It’s just, it’s out there like oh it’s a Georgetown book party with two guys.
Colonel Towner:
Richard Helms and Henry Kissinger were part of what’s called the Georgetown set. Allan Dulles was part of it. All of the media, the Grahams from the Washington Post, they regularly met on a weekly basis. And it was basically like an informal intelligence sharing. It’s where Alan Dulles would go and make suggestions to the Olsens. There was two guys that were journalists and I use that in air quotes that he would basically tell what they could write about and what they couldn’t write about. And they did it at these dinner parties.
Alpha Warrior:
It’s just, it’s one of those things that — I know we all want to focus on the other parties that go into some of the more extreme conversations — but this is something I think we could all easily research. Research the names, that we’ve talked about on Gladio and then start looking into what kind of book parties they went to. Who sponsored it. Who’s behind it. Where was it hosted at. That’s going to expand on this network. And the people go, Well, that was so long ago. Why? Because what if they’re still the same people hosting the parties today? What if it’s still the same publishing companies?
Colonel Towner:
It’s definitely the same publishing companies. And what you find, I think, is the most interesting aspect of this is their children are now doing it.
Alpha Warrior:
Now, here’s the other one [photo below of Reagan et al] that I was “Yeah, she’ll be & the audience will at least be interested in this one because this shows a lot of people.”
It’s not showing. Hold on. Let me fix this real quick. It’s not wanting to show on this. You know, that’s okay. I’ll switch windows. Crazy when we have this conversation, it’s just like technical issues follow Gladio. That’s for dang sure.
Colonel Towner: [laughs]
They do. Now, they definitely do.
Alpha Warrior:
This is the long way round. Okay, this this works.
Portrait of US President Ronald Reagan (1911 – 2004) poses with the members of the President’s Commission on Strategic Forces and their Special Counselors in in the White House’s Cabinet Room, Washington DC, February 9, 1983. Pictured are, seated from left, James Woolsey, Dr James Schlesinger, chairman Brent Scowcroft, President Reagan, Dr John Deutsch, Thomas Reed, and Dr William Perry; and standing, from left, John Lyons, Vice Admiral Levering Smith, US Navy (Retired), Lloyd Cutler, Richard Helms, Dr Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld, Melvin Laird, Nicholas Brady, Executive Secretary of the Commission Dr Marvin Atkins, and Consultant to the Commission for Public Affairs Herbert Hetu. (Photo by Michael Evans/White House via CNP/Getty Images)
So, in this photo and and I’ll read the names. This is President Reagan with the President’s Commission on Strategic Forces. [Alpha reads the names listed above . -GC]
Colonel Towner:
I know about half of those people there. Deutsch was the deputy secretary of defense to William Perry. William Perry was the Secretary of Defense when my ex-husband worked for — he was actually in the Deutsch – Perry SEC def suite. As a the a senior enlisted adviser. Woolsley’s a former CIA director, obviously Helm’s CIA, so you’ve got the whole cadre there.
Alpha Warrior:
And the reason I wanted to bring this one up is because prior to going down rabbit holes, Most of us loved Reagan. Like his approval ratings were just amazing. And this guy was surrounded by Operation Gladio.
Colonel Towner:
Yes. And used it extensively.
Alpha Warrior:
And the reason I share that is because if we really loved Reagan, that tells you how good they are at propaganda and MK Ultra through radio and television and and everything else. Like they have mastered that.
I look forward to the next part. Colonel.
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GOOD GRIEF! I knew I disliked what Reagan allowed to happen to US owned American corporations via Leveraged buyouts, but I did not realize he was such a tool of the International Cartel!
I sure hope War Clandestine is correct!
I think we are witnessing the US MIL destroy everything that the CIA built.
-Iran and their terrorist proxies -Venezuela -The cartels -Cuba up next
I think the CIA has been cleansed, and their global terror network is being destroyed.
Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.
AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.
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Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.
We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.
Joe Biden didn’t win.
And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House. Which we did, but whatever. We love this picture!
Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:
winglet
noun
a small wing
Used in a sentence
A winglet is a small wing, often used to augment larger wings on, for example, aircraft.
Shown in a picture
Explained in a video
MUSIC!
Wings – winglets – whateverlets!
THE STUFF
This is an EXTREMELY interesting LINGUISTIC analysis of the Biblical account of Eve’s creation from Adam. Not only is the whole “rib” thing now a highly questionable translation – the “maleness” of pre-division Adam is in play.
Bottom line – the translation presented here sounds much smarter than the one that critics of the Bible love to cite. I’m still not a “literalist” on Genesis – but I think the metaphorical nature of the Genesis account just got way smarter by this translation and interpretation.
Anesthesia and surgery. Useful stuff. Even in an analogy.
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There are more psyops flooding social media than you could shake two sticks at. Corporate media is running a stealthy “chaos” narrative. It is a trick and an illusion. There’s no chaos. There is a plan, and the plan is working
Which brings me to The Great Game™ and The Plan™. Despite what the history books and articles on the internet say, The Great Game™ is not dead and The Plan™ is POTUS Trump’s counter.
As I have pointed out before TRADE ROUTES are critical. Ships are the way that most goods travel and good trade routes, especially ocean trade routes are ‘protected’ by the British Empire/Transnational Corporations. They use The Great Game to protect those trade routes using subterfuge, psyops and proxies.
The Cape of Good Hope is one of the most feared and misunderstood headlands in maritime history. Famous for its brutal storms, powerful currents, and deadly reputation, it has challenged sailors for centuries. Located at the southern tip of Africa, this headland became a turning point in global trade, navigation, and exploration. But why did so many ships wreck here? And what secrets still linger along its coastline? This video explains the full story from Bartolomeu Dias’s historic voyage to the modern tourist landmarks seen today. Learn about the shipwrecks that never made it past the cape, the explorers who gambled with nature, and the lasting impact this location had on maritime routes and colonial empires.
And if you think the Cape of Good Hope was bad, Drake Passage, around the tip of South America is worse!
Between South America and Antarctica lies this infamous stretch—800 ships lost, over 10,000 lives claimed. But what makes it so deadly? And why do explorers, scientists, and adventurers still risk everything to face it? In this video, we explore the geological origins, harrowing shipwrecks, historic crossings, and the legendary Antarctic expeditions that battled its wrath—from the fate of the San Telmo and HMS Wager, to the desperate escape of Shackleton’s crew aboard the Endurance. You’ll also discover the chilling story of the Belgica, the first vessel to overwinter in Antarctica, trapped for nearly a year in the ice beyond the Drake.
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As you can see, digging a canal thru Panama and thru the Suez was very attractive to merchants.
The idea of a canal across the Isthmus of Panama dates back to the 1500s, when Spanish explorer Vasco Núñez de Balboa crossed the narrow land-bridge in 1513 , realizing it could connect the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. — BRAVE AI
Panama Canal, lock-type canal, owned and administered by the Republic of Panama, that connects the Atlantic and Pacific oceans through the narrow Isthmus of Panama. The length of the Panama Canal from shoreline to shoreline is about 40 miles (65 km) and from deep water in the Atlantic (more specifically, the Caribbean Sea) to deep water in the Pacific about 50 miles (82 km). The canal, which was completed in August 1914, is one of the two most strategic artificial waterways in the world, the other being the Suez Canal.
Ships sailing between the east and west coasts of the United States, which otherwise would be obliged to round Cape Horn in South America, shorten their voyage by about 8,000 nautical miles (15,000 km) by using the canal. Savings of up to 3,500 nautical miles (6,500 km) are also made on voyages between one coast of North America and ports on the other side of South America. Ships sailing between Europe and East Asia or Australia can save as much as 2,000 nautical miles (3,700 km) by using the canal…
Readers Digest version of Trump taking charge, Globally.
THE DONROE DOCTRINE JUST WENT LIVE AND IT’S A FUCKING MASTERCLASS IN LETHAL AMERICAN SUPREMACY.
While the world was hypnotized by bombs and headlines, President Trump dropped the hammer:
Effective IMMEDIATELY, the U.S. Development Finance Corporation is underwriting cheap political risk insurance for EVERY maritime trade route through the Persian Gulf…energy first, no exceptions.
Navy escorts through the Strait of Hormuz on standby. Free flow of oil secured by American guns, American capital, American will.
This isn’t “diplomacy”. This is the Donroe Doctrine…Trump’s iron-fisted evolution of the Monroe Doctrine, but projected across the planet’s most critical chokepoint. No more foreign powers…Chinese proxies, Iranian fanatics, or London parasites…dictating terms in America’s economic sphere…
THE DONROE DOCTRINE JUST WENT LIVE AND IT’S A FUCKING MASTERCLASS IN LETHAL AMERICAN SUPREMACY.
While the world was hypnotized by bombs and headlines, President Trump dropped the hammer:
Effective IMMEDIATELY, the U.S. Development Finance Corporation is underwriting cheap… https://t.co/qD4GrNi8uM
I am going to get into a video that looks at the financial aspects. This is a fan made synopsis of episode 1,984 with Col Watkins, Luongo, EMB 1 minute You may want to slow it down.
(The colonel says very little as the financial guys get into the nitty gritty.)
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This is the actual 2 hr video. It is pretty deep into the financial octopus and how it works. Much of it is an interesting conversation between E. M. Burlingameand Tom Luongo. My biggest take away was at 50 minutes.
At 50 minutes:“The most powerful law in the English world is TRUST LAW…TRUST COURTS…. going back to William the Conqueror. THAT IS WHY THEY WENT TO EPSTEIN FOR TAX ADVICE. He was a master as was Paul Helliwell and Maxwell. At 57 minutes they get into WHY the Commonwealth freaked when Trump said he wanted Canada as 51st state. Ontario has a lot of accessible GOLD in the ground. The financial system is ultimately built on contracts & trusts based on the assets IN THE GROUND. If they are in the ground, how do you steal them?”
Helliwell was a lawyer, a banker and CIA.
Tradebait should really find this video interesting.
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Alpha Warrior pointed to this Podcast with two of my favorite ladies. Tommy (Thomas Patrick Carrigan) is either a doctor or a dropout from Medical school given some of his comments. He certainly knows his chemistry.
Counterchaos | Col. Watkins, Susan Kokinda (Tommy’sPodCast#1,986) (1 hour)
I want to place this snippet near the top since it is of major interest.
TRANSCRIPT
53:32 – Colonel Watkins
I’ve noticed in my research and I mentioned it earlier, the whole strategy of tension and creating the chaos [False Flags –GC] so that you can make order out of that chaos. It’s almost like we’ve turned the tables on the people that did that for nefarious reasons. There’s a certain amount of chaos that gets generated in each of these different departments. [For example] homeland security but you can see the order forming out of it that is much more positive. So it [the targeting] looks like this scattergram of these pockets of picking up all of these illegals, you know the rapists and terrorists and stuff like that. But if you overlay that [scattergram] with the research that I’ve done into the terror networks. The cells in the United States and the drug networking, the narco pieces, that’s a perfect overlay of where these operations are going on. And if you’re going to change the interior of the United States and transition us out of living in fear. [Out of] having easy access to narcotics and stuff like that, you would not be doing anything any differently. It looks chaotic, but it is in a very controlled way. I mean, when you’re breaking an old system, it’s going to look messy. Yes? But if the intention is to do something better, which clearly it is the case with this administration… And you look at it kind of like the Phoenix Program where you burn it down to rebuild it in to the global order. that’s not what’s happening here. We are destroying their Phoenix Program.
Obviously the whole world is looking at the president’s actions in Iran, and I I just think it’s really important for people to first of all take this administration at face value. They’re saying what they’re doing. They are saying, “This is not regime change.” Pete Hegth said, “I’ve lived in perpetual wars. This is not a perpetual war. This is a strategic strike against what has been for decades a fulcrum of intelligence operations that have been used by the globalists to keep the Middle East in flames and to have a larger trigger point in general. Now, you know what precipitated the immediate timing of this? Again, I choose to take people like Marco Rubio and Steve Whit face value. They said, “We tried to negotiate. We offered them free enriched uranium if they want to have a civilian nuclear program. They rejected it and at a certain point you just pull the trigger. Um you know the the other thing I would contrast taking the administration at face value in terms of why they’re doing what they’re doing and what they did is let’s look at the regime changers. Look at people like John Bolton. Look at Britain’s Chattam House. Look at, you know, one of the people who probably has one of the most severe cases of TDS and Apple Balm of the Atlantic. You know, all of them are hysterical that this is not their playbook. This is something else. Now, how is it going to play out? It’s a war. I don’t know. Um, can it go sideways? Sure, it could go sideways. Could it end up having a bad effect on the midterm elections if it goes sideways? Of course, it will. But the key thing about President Trump is he’s a risktaker. I think he takes the risks for the right reasons and we’re just going to have to see where this goes.
5:36 — Colonel Watkins.
I agree with everything Susan just said. What I do is look at things historically and how these entities has manifested themselves over time. The understanding that where we’ve been. I was kind of shocked when I started digging into the post 1980 financial ties of the EU to Iran. [Big grin on Susan’s Face.] , They continued. I’m talking about what we’re sold in the United States as this evil empire in Iran ran by the mulluhs. If that is true, (and they’re definitely evil,) why did the EU continue through cutouts to massively trade with them? And they did. [Susan nods] And during this entire time, if you go back and you look at the 1980 Reagan-Bush administration selling missiles to them through cutouts. You just see this perpetual engagement basically on a military/intelligence use of Iran. Iran became very convenient because basically through sanctions, you’re not allowed to affiliate with them. But on the underneath side of that, that perpetuated the CIA’s [use.]
I just posted about this this morning, Crypto AG, the encrypted communication [device] that was fielded all
over the world and was still being used by Iran with a back door for the CIA to monitor everything that they were doing.
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A quick look at Crypto AG. UNIVERSITY OF WARWICK -UK
Operation Rubicon was a covert intelligence operation conducted by the CIA and BND (West German intelligence), widely regarded as the most successful intelligence heist of the 20th century. It began in the 1950s with a secret “Gentlemen’s Agreement” between CIA cryptologist William Friedman and Crypto AG founder Boris Hagelin, and culminated in the 1970 secret purchase of the Swiss encryption company by the CIA and BND. This allowed them to manipulate Crypto AG’s cipher machines—sold to over 120 countries—to include hidden backdoors, enabling the U.S. and Germany to intercept and decrypt diplomatic, military, and intelligence communications worldwide.
The operation, code-named Thesaurus initially and later Rubicon, provided unprecedented access to global secrets for over 50 years, influencing major Cold War events such as the Camp David Accords (1978), the Iran Hostage Crisis (1979), the Berlin Discotheque bombing (1986), and the 1973 Chilean coup. The CIA described it as the “intelligence coup of the century”, with foreign governments unknowingly paying for the privilege of having their most sensitive communications read by at least two, and possibly up to six, foreign powers.
The operation ended in 2018, though revelations only emerged in 2020 through investigative reporting by ZDF, SRF, and The Washington Post, based on a 280-page intelligence dossier. Despite ethical concerns—such as the imprisonment of Crypto AG employee Hans Bühler in Iran and the compromise of allies—the operation is considered a landmark in signals intelligence (SIGINT), reshaping perceptions of Cold War espionage and highlighting the central role of Germany in global intelligence. —
William Binney, who was a code-breaking expert for the U.S. military before he joined the National Security Agency,…
WB: “So you know, this is just a mess we’re in. I mean, we have created—these intelligence agencies fundamentally are not controllable by any government in the world. Their own agencies they can’t control.”
BACK TO TRANSCRIPT
7:20 Colonel Towner:
So again, and these are my words, but it almost seems like Iran, much like the former Soviet Union, becomes this boogeyman in which all of this funding — well, if you’re not trading with them, they would have a whole lot less funds — perpetuated this radical Islamic terror. [And] after the 1990s,[it became] the new boogeyman because the Soviet Union was gone. [Thus] perpetuating the strategy of tension and perpetual chaos. Decapitating that, which is basically what we’re doing right now. I agree with Susan. You have to take President Trump at face value. He is telling you exactly what we’re doing. And he is piece by piece eliminating the chessboard of this behind-the-scenes manipulation of all of us across the world, not just the United States, not just Europe, and not just Asia, all of us collectively.
8:40 Susan Kokinda
If you go back to President Trump’s first administration and his first foreign trip which you know was kind of surprising because it was to Saudi Arabia. You know you expect our European allies or Japan or whatever. And what did he do? He went to Saudi Arabia and he laid down the law because the Saudi support for Islamic fundamentalism was real. They had much more to do with 9/11 than poor Saddam Hussein. Uh, and he went to Saudi Arabia and he said, “That’s it. It’s over. You are no longer going to support Islamic terrorism.” So, even going back that far, he was starting to take these chess pieces off the chessboard.[Colonel Towner nodding] And go back even further, of course, you know, the mother of Islamic terrorism is the Brits.The British created the Muslim Brotherhood going all the way back to 1922. [The Colonel grins,nods and says right] So these are big moves. It’s also very entrenched.
But I think the important thing, as the colonel said, is don’t look at it inside the immediate news cycle. Look at it from the standpoint that, the British Great Game always creates pawns. Whether it’s Muslim fundamentalism or something [like] Adolf Hitler who turned into a Frankenstein monster. [The Colonel grins and nods] And that doesn’t mean you don’t have Frankenstein monster situations. Out of control operations that then turn around and bite you on the butt like Hitler did.
But if you pull back the curtain on all of this and you look at what President Trump was doing deliberately, to the extent he could in his first administration. He didn’t have that much of an ability because he was under attack immediately. And he had a bunch of idiots in his administration like John Bolton. [Colonel giggles] This administration is very different. This is his team. They are executing.
I’m sure the colonel appreciates the fact that you never hear any leaks when it comes to negotiating [Colonel laughs and says NEVER] NOTHING, this is locked down tight because they are executing. They are deliberately moving step by step by step. Including working with people — you know we’ve discussed this and I’m sure you’ve discussed it, if you’ve been on shows with Tom Luongo and Alex Krainer. You look at Syria, and you sit there and say, “What is he doing working with this guy?” But then you say, “Okay, he knows these –or Erdogan,– people who have been, or [are] capabilities for the British Great Game. He’s taking those pieces away from them. Doesn’t mean they’ve reformed, but he’s taking those pieces away from them.”
11:20 Colonel Towner
And I think that’s a critical point. My assessment of Trump’s first term was basically exposing what people like to refer to as the deep state. I call it the international syndicate. Putting the people that represent them, like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo and those people, front and center. And I think that in many ways the leaks, which was a kind of a colander during his first administration. [It] was [used for] tracing those networks and where they all ended up so that he has a complete view of the playing field for this second term. I think that’s critically important.
I don’t think most people, [know our real history.] Our history is basically a total lie in the United States. As far as what our government –and by government I’m primarily focusing on the CIA, which I argue doesn’t even actually work for the president in the past. [The CIA] in the past has perpetuated all over the world these regime change operations and stuff like that. [And our ‘official’ history does not cover that -GC.]
So, I see that Trump did that in Venezuela and John Bolton and Mike Pompeo set that up in Venezuela. I think he was highlighting for the American people this exposure operation of how these people operate. And I think for the first time during Trump’s first administration, many Americans, I know certainly in my family was like, “What the heck is going on?” Because most presidents, who in the past have been part of this operation, work with the mockingbird media and they hide all of this. It was literally what has been going on since post World Warii. [Trump put it] front and center on every news cycle. And I think that was very revealing to prepare the battlefield for Trump’s second term. And to your point about him going to the Middle East, because it wasn’t just Saudi Arabia. I mean, it’s Qatar. And he signed the executive order saying that if anybody attacks Qatar, it’s like they’re [attacking us] And you see all of the neocons come out of the woodwork. Oh my gosh. Qatar’s training pilots.
At first it came out that they established a Qatari air force base in Idaho. I’m like no, no no we train pilots. I enlisted in 1979. I was in aircraft maintenance. We were training Jordanians and everybody else in my tech school so we’ve done that obviously for a very long time. So you can see it’s again an exposure operation. The neocons that are out there pretending to be MAGA are the ones that leap out with the most audacious, ridiculous assessments of everything that’s going on.
This most recent with Iran and the Atlantic [Mag] coming out saying he doesn’t know anything that he’s doing. Well, just look at the board of the Atlantic Council. It has just about every retired CIA director that is still breathing. They’re going to tell you what the talking points are from their perspective, which literally has nothing to do with reality.
14:50 Tommy:
It’s that very beautiful game being played, but it’s also a complex game. It’s not as simple as there’s the evil guy headquarters, a big castle on a hill and we just have to, you know, find our balls and go fight it. It’s by design. It’s much more intelligent. It’s an illusion of control. It’s the idea that there is no mockingbird media. What are you talking about? We don’t have state-run media. We have blah blah blah. That’s also much harder to fight against. Because openly, if you just start attacking these things, you’re going to look like the guy going against freedom.
But, you know, there is police brutality, but in the funniest way. Like a lot of body cam [footage] you see is when you know some dude that looks like me getting drunk outside of a bar and then he gets punched in the face. You’re like, he was kind of asking for it, man. I’ve been pulled over. Even if you’ve done nothing, you understand. It’s, here’s a cop with a gun on the side of a highway. You’re not exactly at a peaceful area. Go along, talk about it. And then at the end, they’re like, “Oh, yeah. You’re good to go.” in a funny way. It’s actually illuminated more than any amount of anecdotal evidence ever could.
It’s much harder to do that, but it’s how you unwind it. That’s what a lot of this was. Nothing as we just said, Colonel, is like a lot of this stuff [that] was theorized by crazy people like me that didn’t go to prom and was reading Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner instead. I actually did that. It’s a lot harder to show because you have to go through this very slow. But then you look at where we are now everything from Russian collusion to COVID to the stolen election to more and more and more it’s just one by one you’re seeing these things. It’s a very long and slow process but that’s what’s needed.
16:40 Susan Kokindra
And one of the probably most critical factor in the whole thing is none of this would have come out if it weren’t for the courage of Donald Trump. You force it into the open because you actually fight. Every other previous president either capitulated to it or got shot. You know, Ronald Reagan, it was a little bit of both. He got shot and then, increasingly he capitulated to it or really wasn’t in control, especially in his second term. But that the unique characteristic. Because I think as you said people are experiencing it. I’ve talked about it for 50 years. It was a little teeny tiny part of the population that was ready for it. Then a large part of the population goes in there, supports Donald Trump sees all the things that happened to him, sees more happen to him, see him stand up and fight, forcing more and more of this out into the open.
[I am going to add, I think the 2008 mortgage crisis was the wake-up for a lot of people. We had the Tea Party, that the Elite tried to shut down by calling them racist and by starting up the AstroTurf group called ‘Occupy Wall Street’ It did not matter the Bank Bailouts using OUR MONEY was the shock that woke a lot of people up. — GC]
I think Trump is very conscious of that. I think he recognizes the role of populations as a strategic factor. He can do more when he’s got a population backing him. And that’s why all this disinformation crap, inside the MAGA movement is frankly one of the most dangerous things. It’s not the batshit crazy Democrats. They’re a given factor, right? But you know it’s the Tucker Carlsons and the MTGs [and] whatever is motivating them. The effect that it has is, if he can rely less on his base, that is an actual strategic factor.
But you look at it globally, a lot of people say, well Marco Rubio was much more conciliatory toward the Europeans. I frankly I don’t think he was conciliatory. But compared to JD Vance the tone was much less [harsh.] I think what Marco Rubio was doing, and this is I think the way the president functions, he wasn’t talking to the European leaders. He wasn’t talking to Kier Starmer or Macron. He was talking to the people. He was basically saying we need Europe to return to its traditions. You are a factor. Maybe you could change the direction of your country. I think Trump, the president and his administration are always, you know, thinking in those terms. I mean, even in terms of Israel, you know, at one point Trump said, “I’m more popular in Israel than Bibi Netanyahu.” And I’m sure that’s true. And he needs to become even more popular to be able to deal with that situation. But, you know, he I think he takes that into account.
19:20 Colonel Towner
So, I think the the first sign that everything had changed. That we weren’t any longer rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic was Trump’s fake news campaign.[laughter] Because that started instantly. It was my signal that everything had changed. He took on the mocking bird media.
19:45 Tommy:
That’s the most important control mechanism.
19:55 Colonel Towner:
It is. I was shocked and I knew everything had changed the day I heard him call out fake news. If you go back in time back to post World War II with the psychological strategy board, this has always been an operation to control our minds. And as soon as he pulled up that battle flag with the fake news, I was just enthralled that finally we have someone that’s going to take on this entire institution and dismantle it. I think that was critical.. because everything is downstream from that. It’s almost impossible prior to President Trump and the fake news campaign to find real news. Obviously Elon buying X has kicked that into high gear. But that was just like a fundamental shift of the axis for all of us to operate under. It allows people like Susan to have much more exposure in talking about reality as opposed to what is being shoved down our throats through the mockingbird media.
21:25 Susan Kokinda
It’s absolutely the case. I’ll just reflect on my own experience.
For 40 years, you feel like a voice in the wilderness, right? Donald Trump comes along and basically breaks the matrix, and then what you see, and we all see this in terms of the kinds of responses that we get, in the various venues and forums that we’re on, people are so hungry to put the pieces together. It’s like they knew it. They knew something. One of the most visceral responses I got was the show I did in response to Marco Rubio’s Munich speech where I picked up on the fact that he said de-industrialization was a conscious policy. It wasn’t a mistake. My mind went back. [To the] Council on Foreign Relations 1977, [who said] the control disintegration of the world economy is a legitimate objective so we can destroy sovereign nations. And when I did that show, the comments that I got were where you could just see people were saying, you know, that’s what I thought. I knew it, but you’ve now given voice to the fact that the horror that I’ve lived through, this process of disintegration of the United States and other countries was not random. And and that’s one of the key, tools of the elites. They want people to feel helpless. It’s a random world. Shit happens.
It certainly was for my generation. That’s what they tried to do with us with the two Kennedy assassinations. You’re sitting there, 14 years old, the president gets killed [by a] crazy lone assassin. The world is supposed to go on. I was campaigning for Bobby Kennedy senior in ’68 in California when he was shot. And again they try and shove it down your throat and you have no place to validate the fact that YOU KNOW these were conspiracies.
I had a friend who was eight at the time JFK was shot. He said to me, the minute I saw Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald I knew it was a conspiracy. I was 8 years old, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist but you couldn’t do anything about it. Nobody would validate it. You got the you’re crazy treatment like Mark Lane who tried to expose the Kennedy assassination. So you just sort of spiral into this hopelessness.
This is what they certainly did to my generation. Because what comes in on the heels of that? [Vietnam –GC] the rock-drug-sex counterculture. Forget about being a productive person. Thinking about the future. Thinking about raising a family. Just turn on, drop out, get stoned and get screwed. I mean that’s basically what they told us. And unless you have some some way to begin to put the picture together, and it’s very hard to do as an individual. I’d say maybe 5% of the American population kind of hung on through those years. And then Donald Trump comes along and the lid blows off and people are saying, “Thank God, I wasn’t crazy. This was this was deliberate.” And now that it’s knowable, we can do something about it.
25:00 Tommy:
The courage point is the most important point. Like I’ve seen just through this podcast, the podcast’s a little over six years old. Right into the immediate baptism by fire. I was interviewing Dr. Malone and Dr. Mercola. I was banned from YouTube for them before they ever even went on Joe Rogan. And it was just, I knew it was wrong and getting on these doctors and I was going up the chain of command like maybe this doctor thinks. The higher and higher I went the worse and worse the red alarms were getting and I was like wait I thought eventually one of them was going to be like it’s not that. The higher and higher until I got the guy with the patent and he was this is evil and I was well shit and like doing that and I knew it was wrong and again it’s the courage. They had a lot more to lose than me. It’s the courage and as it comes out more now we look at it as just fact.
You do have to look back at. The guys that they were at the beginning, it’s like in chemistry lab. It’s called the point of nucleation it’s where you put in a little piece of metal or plastic. It’s like putting a piece of ice in a cold cup of water and then it all forms off of that. In the same way now you have to put yourself back in 2020 and be thinking of how insane the PSYOPs were. But if you know what you know now and you’re like hey the sooner everyone starts to talk about it, all the people just under the surface, they’re going to nucleate to that, and then it becomes self-evident.
You have to understand that’s where we are now with whatever the next thing is. So if you feel it’s wrong, understand that most people around you probably also feel it’s wrong, but they all think they’re alone, just as you think you’re alone. So you have to be courageous and say something. The quicker [you do, the quicker] I believe the veil will come off. And Back to the whole media, what you were saying Colonel Watkins is how do you make people feel lonely? Well, if you control the messaging of everything and the media goes 99% of people think Donald Trump’s retarded. If you’re going, I kind of like him. You’re like, I guess I’ll shut up. I don’t want to be, you know, I don’t want to be that guy. I don’t want to be uninvited to the party.
27:00 Colonel Towner
Definitely on purpose. So, back to Susan’s point about the 60s again. The psychological operations, all of it was planned. Just like what she was saying about the deindustrialization, all of it is planned. And my light bulb moment in all of this was going back and reading the Fabian Society’s agenda. And you find out as early as the late 1800s, they’re talking about one world government. I was shocked by that. I’d never even heard of the Fabian Society, but they talked about eugenics. they talked about, basically controlling the population and controlling people’s reproduction. And then you go back and you realize that there were test cases, if you will. They were being done throughout the early 1900s in the United States. Like with the indigenous population in America, where we were taking women and children off of Indian reservations and educating them basically in boarding schools to make them not indigenous, to make them more mainstream. So the was a conscious decision to break down cultural heritages across the globe. This has been done throughout the entire century of the 1900s where we’ve divided, by the drawing of the boundaries after World War I and World War II. You cross sectionalized and grouped cultures that were basically century old enemies of each other because then you can create chaos. All you have to do is throw a match on the kindling anytime you want a war. Anytime you want to create a false flag to get more money into the military-industrial complex.
Once you understand that so much of all of this was planned in order to bring about this one world control mechanism, it’s shocking especially for someone like me who grew up in that system um and didn’t know any of this existed. And that’s kind of one of the things we’re talking about, people’s input. I have been met when we go country by country and dissect CIA operations during a regime change operation. [Alpha’s Gladio Series -GC] I have had so many people that lived in that country either during it or in the immediate aftermath of it or whatever that will go that’s not how that happened. I had some one lady on a Zoom call tell me that, you know, she knew all of these people in Iran during the Mosaddegh overthrow and that there was no such thing as stay-behinds in the southern part of Iran.
It’s documented. It’s declassified in CIA documents. They did do that.
There were military people in there training those people. They created the foot soldiers in order to get them out on the streets later on. I said, “Look, I understand that you didn’t know about this aspect of this operation. I spent 30 years in the military and had no idea most of any of this went on. I lived in Italy for three years during the exposure of Operation Gladio. I didn’t know it was even called Operation Gladio because they called it “Years of Lead.” And where I lived in the southern part, that’s what it was referred to. But when I found Paul Williams book about Operation Gladio, I’m like, “Oh my god, I’ve lived through the exposure of that and I didn’t know.” So you can live in a country, you can be in an institution and not know what is going on around you. People need to understand that.
31:00 Susan Kokinda
I think one of one of the things that people don’t actually realize is the kind of control. It what really goes to the point that you’re making. You’re living through it and you don’t see it. Why? Because you think what they’re doing is normal. That is, you’ve accepted their set of axioms. You want to go back to the Fabian society. Go back to the assault on our culture at the beginning of the 20th century which has obviously continued and accelerated. What you see is that they want to get inside people’s minds in the sense that, rather than looking at the world as human beings naturally do, as creative human beings. You can see it with a child. You can see it with a child playing with blocks. What is that child actually doing when he plays with blocks? He’s actually figuring out how the world works. You stack them up one way and they stay and you stack them up another way, they’re going to fall over. This is the child actually experimenting with the way the world works. And that’s how the human mind should work. It is natural. We’re in a world that God created. It’s a creative world. He gave us creativity so that we could understand it and live in it and prove it and make it better and so on.
What is it that the imperialists do? What is it that the empire does? And this goes back thousands of years. You can start with Aristotle, my least favorite philosopher. Who basically says, “No, no, you’re not a creative mind. You’re just your senses. You’re no different than your pet dog. We’re going to bombard your senses. We’re going to manipulate your senses. We’re going to immerse your senses. And if they can reduce people to just responding from the standpoint of their senses, then they don’t have to put you in chains, because they’ve got you. So you can be in the middle of something like Operation Gladio or the overthrow [of your government] or frankly all those poor deranged people still in the United States who don’t see that there was a coup carried out against the president of the United States. Why? Because they’re in the mindset which has been created by these people and this looks normal and natural to them. They don’t even understand how much they are controlled. That’s why they’re always afraid of somebody like Donald Trump. [who is] outside the box, right? Completely creative, completely a risktaker, they could not profile this man, no matter what. It’s sort of the little boy who stands up and says the emperor has no clothes. You know all of a sudden everybody says oh yeah I knew that.
34:00 Tommy
What’s more outside of the system than anything? A higher power. God the creator. That knows there is good and evil. That’s far above the president, that’s far above the CIA. And when you do, that also gives you the courage to go “Maybe they’re wrong. Maybe the people telling me that we’re just these stupid humans. We’re inefficient and we got to get in the pot and eat ze bug.” and you got to euthanize them. And you start to believe it if your higher power is the state.
But if you look beyond that it’s a form of wonder. And wonder really means is you’ve a potential for more ways to put the blocks together. That you can step outside of it. What you’re saying is they can not create. That’s why all the sequels. You know what is making Helen of Helen of Troy a black woman? It’s like this is all just you’re taking something, you’re putting something on it. You’re a DJ doing a remix, but you’re not making the original music. I truly believe that evil cannot create. It can control and pervert and it can shave stuff off, but it can never just make something. I think that’s the endowment of the creator. It really is. It’s you spoiler. It all comes down to good versus evil. But I think that’s what this is. You can control, you can label, you can this, you can label that. You don’t need a trillion dollars in algorithms. What you can do is just make I don’t know a platform and go, “Yeah, maybe the best thing would just rise to the top.” And it does.
That is the Transcript to 35 minutes.
Some important points from the rest of the video.
1. If you had to do a 100 year or 200 year march through the institutions, then by definition you’re doing something that you know the vast majority of people hate.
2. As you rise higher in military or business, you are developed to be risk-adverse conformists.
3. If you have someone at the top of an organization or department within an organization who is an outside the box thinker, you can see rapidly changes. This time around POTUS has pick those sorts of outside the box thinkers and we can already see the changes in the military. The Colonel said “I still have several friends that are on active duty. They’re feeling that real change in their lives.”
4. Susan Kokindra points out you have the outside insiders, like Scott Scott Bessant.
41:45 Susan Kokinda
Here’s somebody who comes from the inside, worked with George Soros, helped bring down the British pound. These are fairly sophisticated, insider operations, but that’s not where his identity is. He grew up as a middle class kid from South Carolina. The mission of the US Treasury is now completely different than it was a year ago. The previous mission was to bail out the too big to fail banks. That is no longer the mission of the Treasury. It is the real economy and household incomes.
44:10 — Colonel Towner
This is one of the things that I think people in general fail to grasp. If I’m on a battlefield, one of the key things that you try to do is co-opt one of the insiders on the other side for intelligence purposes. So, if you look at President Trump’s career, one of the things that made him the most lethal to the opposing party was his insider information. He grew up in that system. He grew up in the Hollywood system which is totally corrupt to include intelligence ties. He grew up in the New York mafia infested construction business. He was in the South Florida totally mafia driven real estate. His purchase of the resort international which was a CIA front. um his um exposure to the casino industry, again, intelligence, CIA ties… That’s what he brings to the table. He knows how they operate. He can be 10 steps down the road with that intelligence background that no one else has. I look at Scott Bessent the same way.
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And another tidbit.
The rating agency that feeds the info to the actuary used by LLoyds of London is just across the Thames from MI6.
from 1 hr 15 min at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSYtgkQh4E
What is even more interesting is, since 9-11 my ponies have been insured thru Lloyds since we could get no other insurance. Over 30 years and no claim. HOWEVER last spring they REFUSED TO INSURE!!!
Sure makes you wonder what advanced info the SOBs had. Terrorist attacks maybe?
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