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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
There’s nothing like a Trump rally.
More that that, every one is special in its own way. I have been to a number, and have seen many more.
We are privileged beyond measure to experience them.
This ROCKTOBER [08] [PLACEHOLDER] TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
SAY IT LOUD, AND SAY IT PROUD!
“MR. PRESIDENT – I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Autumn. Two years ago, we were fighting back HARD. I remember. Interesting times.
We’re still here. And we’re still not budging.
Where We Go One, We Go All.
W
ADDENDUM:
Well, I happen to be here tonight, so I decided to add some commentary to my placeholder daily post.
I wanted to talk about CULTURAL MARXISM…..
Apparently this new “Joker” movie is the height of cultural Marxism:
I am also discovering just how evil these people are, by watching, long-term, how the Googloid Mensheviks at YouTube are influencing my WIFE with their product. I wish that I could say they are merely “attempting to influence her”, but the fact is, they are ACTUALLY influencing her. It is INSIDIOUS. And I now have PROOF OF IT, that will stand up in court. I only await STANDING. I’m hoping not to actually GET standing, but just in case, I predict that standing would be a TRANSFORMATIVE opportunity for MORAL and ETHICAL tech, shall we say.
If I were not AWARE of how cultural Marxism works in general, in the large, on society, I would never have caught on to how it works on individual people, which I’ve had to theorize from deep study of serial killers, school shooters, false flag patsies, Marxist radicals, and the like. I had to catch up with a lot of secret CIA psychological research, done over many decades.
Cutting the cable was ESSENTIAL to see it. This is why cutting the cable is such a danger to CIA, Hollywood, and the cultural Marxists that have infested BOTH. Cutting the cable gives one true societal perspective, sharp and clear – even down to a personal level. By cutting the cable, I am not subject to the moral creep of “Fake Normal” which is promoted by the mind control media. Instead, I can SEE THAT CREEP.
Now, watching YouTube work on my wife over time, I am not being shifted along with “Fake Normal” and “Fake Reality”, and she is only being shifted by YouTube and a couple of mild PBS shows. I can see how cultural Marxist mass media CHANGES HER.
It is SURPRISINGLY FAST. Shockingly fast. Horrifyingly fast.
Technology, quite simply, CANNOT be trusted to these people.
The tech monopolies MUST be destroyed, to create healthy alternatives for mankind.
W
On another note, 10/10 is in 2 days. Did you know that 1010 (base 2) = 10 (base 10)? Fun fact.
Anyway, be ready.
Last but not least, we have THREE rallies coming up. 10/10, 10/11, 10/Q.
I keep shilling this book that I love to criticize as a CIA cover-up, but my motivation isn’t just because if you read it backwards and inside-out, it’s like a roadmap to REAL MK, and its amazing tale of [re]discovery.
It is also a testament to the GENIUS of Sidney Gottlieb, who scapegoated his brilliant early project to save the final result.
And if only the socialist ASSHOLES who inherited it hadn’t killed 58 people in Las Vegas using this stuff, I would not be enlightening everybody as to what the heck is going on.
But then, it is rapidly becoming apparent to me that Kinzer’s book, STRAIGHT OUT OF THE FAILING NEW YORK TIMES, is a desperate attempt at CYA by the socialist / “whatever” Deep State to cover up recent ABUSES of MK ULTRA, in their DESPERATE attempts to remove President Trump.
DON’T. TURN. AWAY.
Yes. Courtesy of those who very soon “won’t be able to walk the streets”, as SOMEBODY PUT IT.
So let’s get back to the topic at hand.
I was at 25% of the way through this book when I made my LAST update. Well, guess what – I am now at 28% and I’ve got another huge post.
I keep telling people – GET THIS BOOK!
So what is the big deal here? What is in the magical “3%” that blew my mind?
THREE THINGS.
First off, this.
It is becoming clear to me that, FAR from some hodgepodge program of desperate grabs for anything “mind control”, MK ULTRA was SMART SHOPPING by a SMART SCIENTIST.
Now, why would I come to this assessment, against all the disinformation and shill messaging to the contrary?
Well, mostly because (1) I’ve been inside scientific research, so I know how quality investigation looks from the inside, but (2) I’ve been OUTSIDE of scientific research, thus able to LOOK IN, and (3) I’m a huge devotee of the HISTORY OF MODERN SCIENCE, and view it as not just worthy in itself, but essential for young scientists, to develop a healthy and moral outlook, understanding the need for openness and honesty above all else.
EVERY TIME that Kinzer points out some new subproject of MK ULTRA, I just have to marvel at how SMART Sidney Gottlieb was in going after what MK ULTRA would eventually become.
It’s ALL RATIONAL, FOLKS. It all makes SENSE.
Yes, if you take any one of his highly compartmentalized, funded projects by itself, it may look like a bit of a WTF in the pursuit of MK. The thing is, *I* know what the final product looked like – remarkably similar to exactly what Sidney Gottlieb was pursuing. So I look at all the pieces, and I see that they are SMART PIECES.
The kind of mental dissociation I experienced – exact as a scalpel – precise as a laser – part of a complex whole that allowed a fantastic “surgery of the mind” – in frigging 1981 – I mean I can see every part of MK ULTRA research leading RIGHT TO IT. If it were not for a “medical error” – or more truthfully a compounding of them – ONE TIME – we would not be having this conversation.
ONE FRIGGING MOLECULE – a stray thought that I had, as part of an “error of subject consciousness” – was all it took to eventually reveal Sidney Gottlieb’s genius achievement.
Second point.
It is clear to me that Kinzer is relying on leftist, NYT, Deep State, CIA, Fake News memes and viewpoints in his interpretation of this stuff. We are talking what might be called “Charlottesville narrative viewpoint”. This is where you show people two hoops, black and white, and they jump through black “because black”. You show them male and female and they jump through female “because wymyn”. You show them whatever the left has said – possibly without openly saying – is the preferred hoop, and they jump through it.
CONDITIONED RESPONSE.
It is impossible to see the world clearly if you have conditioned PC blind spots of right or left. It takes PRACTICE to get around them – to RESIST them.
This is something that makes true free speech a real gift.
I can THINK all sorts of possibilities because of it. Many of which ALMOST NOBODY can think of.
Most of you out there will agree with the idea that Israel’s future and well-being depend on AMERICA. But how many of you can see that AMERICA’S future and well-being depend on ISRAEL?
Most of you will automatically look at the MK ULTRA criminal drug volunteers in prison as victims. I can do that, easily. But how many of you can view them as heroes?
Most of you, whether you will admit it or not, have been so bombarded with the idea that black people are less intelligent than whites, using all sorts of metrics, that you undoubtedly suspect at some level that it might be true. But I will assure you – if you start looking to discover why it might not be true – and I don’t mean in a virtue signal way – NONE of the stuff that the Deep State and controlled left offer on this – you will be led to SHOCKING realizations on the nature of intelligence itself, and how it is defined, expressed, perceived, and how it perceives US. You may at first by disturbed by things, but – trust me – you will eventually be comforted. This stuff was well-designed at the most basic levels. There is CONSERVATION and SYMMETRY that make it all work out BEAUTIFULLY.
FREEING YOUR MIND TO SEE ALL SIDES TOGETHER IS TOUGH. But that is the only way to have a MORE GODLY [notice I did not say “god-like”] view of the universe.
SO – with that hopeful MIND JOLT, let’s go on.
Third point.
Whitey Bulger was an MK ULTRA volunteer.
Yes.
In 1957, when Bulger was just a twenty-something armed robbery thug, but not yet a murderer, imprisoned in the Atlanta federal penitentiary, he was RECRUITED to be an MK ULTRA volunteer. He thought it was ONLY a medical project looking for a cure for schizophrenia. It may have been that, but we now know so much more about it.
The details are interesting, as are details from other volunteers. It is clear that there was a lot of wheedling done to get people to stay in these mind-bending programs. One participant endured terrible high doses of LSD just to get a promised shot of HEROIN.
Bulger was told he was one of the best subjects. However, I get the impression that all the docs told that to all the boys, so to speak. Bet the nurses were pretty fine-lookin’ ladies, too.
Hey – I’ve been around the block. I wasn’t born yesterday, either.
Bulger’s own previous memoirs are cited by Kinzer, so this is totally confirmed stuff.
This is an astounding bit of information, but it makes sense. Maybe it’s been out there for a while, but it was news to me.
And HERE is where I get to thank “principles” from history which first connected Adolph Hitler with Saddam Hussein, and ultimately with Barack “By The Book” Obama.
I believe LEGAL CONSENT and LEGALISMS are part and parcel of the CHOOSING of people to study, test, use and abuse (and then get utterly lost in) the “MK world of human bottery”.
SO – just because Bulger is known to have been part of the LSD experimentation, does NOT mean that it all ends there. I may find out more in the remaining 72% of the Kinzer book. Or I may find out more from other sources.
REMEMBER – part of the overall MK project – which we KNOW from Sidney Gottlieb – was the desire to know if people could do things, up to and including KILLING PEOPLE – maybe OTHER PEOPLE – maybe THEMSELVES.
Can you think of a BETTER reason to get rid of Whitey Bulger NOW? What information might he have revealed – in a BELIEVABLE WAY – about MK ULTRA and its GOALS?
If you read Kinzer’s book, then you may very well ask yourself if these goals ever went away.
If you read my posts here, then you may very well ask yourself if these goals were achieved.
I proclaim it loud and clear I proclaim it now and here God be praised and bless the men Women, grannies, dear children Whoever in the hell it be Who gave this song to you and me
Twas a lad named dear Cthulhu Who gave its tune to me and you Twas a dream, I swear it be That gave this line to you and me: We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
Fields a-burstin’ with their pride Be there shame if any died Turn the bitter Kool-Aid down Let not man nor baby frown We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
When I saw dear girl’s lament Babies’ blood to be our rent I tore my pockets, thanking God Greatest op of dear Mossad We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
For twas clear this mad appeal Born to kill the Green New Deal Came from somewhere high above Born of God’s eternal love We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
For though it might be CIA Or Putin’s girls in their sweet way We shan’t be picky who it was Whose hand that devil’s work undoes We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
So praise all spies and saboteurs Stealthy girl provocateurs Those who made my own life hell But saved our babies good and well We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
A million years, or maybe two There’s no rush, I dare tell you For God constructs where others steal And fool us with their Green New Deal We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
A viper’s plan as Irish spring A devil’s trick as papal thing Let Tree of Life bring huggers down Let babies smile, their buggers frown We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow
And thus I bid you now good bye And walk off into fields of rye And leave you with this sage advice That Earth shall bloom as long there’s rice We don’t have to eat them now Let them live and grow somehow.
I had no idea that Justin Raimondo had died. I was wondering why I never saw his tweets any more. Usually it was REPLIES to famous people, sometimes as retweets, where Justin would show up in my Twitter feed. SMART, insightful, replies or retweets, taking people to task for positions that were going to get us into another Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan.
I quickly scanned down his old timeline. It has been fully taken over by the staff at AntiWar, who now bring back some of Justin’s old columns, and keep his memory alive.
One of the tweets led me to this great article.
Well worth a read. Particularly if you believe my almost unbelievable theory that Justin’s strong and unwavering support of Trump, and his influence over the “intellectual libertarian and antiwar” segment of the potential Trump bloc, was ESSENTIAL to Trump’s victory in 2016.
The first place I ever read this guy was some guest column on WorldNetDaily during the Clinton administration. Justin was a gay conservative who looked like “the Fonz” and had his own website (kind of a big deal back then) called “AntiWar.com“. Well, it wasn’t really “his” site, but he was the Freddie Mercury of AntiWar. It sometimes SEEMED like his site. And yet, it was all about ANTI-WAR – not about him.
Justin was respected by Joseph Farah of WND – and that was enough for me. I paid attention. Justin and Joseph didn’t always agree, but they both cared enough to agree or disagree with each other, outside the stifling chorus of UniParty shills who kept up the FAKE NEWS that neither one had time for.
One of Justin’s best articles – the one that I never forgot – was the one where he took the entire LGBT movement to task for calling gay “normal”. His position was utterly logical. Gays have rights like everybody else, but the reason they are a minority – and a small one at that – is because they are FAR from “normal”. To call gays “normal” was, to him, robbing the very essence of what gays were – DIFFERENT. It was not just illogical to Justin to try to “normalize” gayness – it was DISHONEST.
See why I might like this guy? BRUTAL honesty – even with himself.
But “gay” was not the big issue to Justin. It was a minor aspect of his life – a reality that he simply dealt with, and accepted as a libertarian. The big issue for Justin Raimondo was WAR. But NOT as a typical libertarian. Raimondo was – oddly – very conservative for a libertarian, more so for a gay one. Justin was also too tough to be a simple peacenik, yet he wasn’t one of those horrible “bully pacifists”, either. He considered himself a “conservative paleo-libertarian” – which I interpret as going back to the most “limited government and keep the HELL out of foreign entanglements” people of all – the FOUNDERS.
And Raimondo had that same SPUNK that the Founders did. A kind of patient and determined yet hopeful RELENTLESSNESS – a refusal to give up. In that era, he would have fought alongside my own DAR ancestor against the British. He would have simply kept his “odd affections” a secret. Well, who knows. Maybe not. But he would have been a PATRIOT either way.
And YES, the idea of an ANTI-WAR patriot is somewhat contradictory, but then, so much of this nation’s founding BRILLIANCE was contradictory – back when were had discernment, and didn’t all have to believe exactly the same things to be patriotic Americans.
Justin was very similar to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Pat Buchanan, and other libertarians and paleo-conservatives on the idea of war. And – unlike me – he was NOT FOOLED by the Bush clan.
But after George W. Bush, Justin would make the same mistake as me – voting for Obama in 2008. I think we did it for the same reason. McCain was itching to get us into a war. We both knew it. McCain helped sell Obama – exactly as intended.
Justin was a TRUMP supporter from the beginning, too, because he remembered Trump’s stand on IRAQ. This is EXACTLY where I was, too. There were many times that I retweeted Justin in his defenses of Trump, or tried to echo his wisdom to my followers.
And Raimondo was NOT A FAN of Crooked Hillary. NOT AT ALL.
Justin was a WEE bit too automatically defensive of Russia for my taste, but he was not a dupe. I could respect him when his anti-war knee jerked in time with the Kremlin’s, because I knew it was still under his control.
There were, however, times that I strategically backed Trump on bringing neocons into his campaign or administration, which is something Justin could never stand. Justin could NEVER believe that association with John Bolton was a good idea, even merely as a spokesperson and media ally of Trump. However, Justin was a kind soul, and he simply held his tongue when I tried to convince him that it would all be OK – that Trump could handle Bolton.
The thing is, I don’t think Justin TRUSTED Trump in the same way I did, and that fact is, at its core, probably RELIGIOUS. Trump, Pence, myself, and most other Trumpers TRUST GOD TOGETHER, so we tend to TRUST EACH OTHER. That makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Justin was raised a Roman Catholic, but he later described himself as “not a believer”, per Wikipedia.
However, if one goes back to THIS article about Pope John Paul II, and gives it a read……
…..one sees a few hints that “you can take the boy out of the church, but you can’t take the church out of the boy“.
So who knows. I would love to once again have the opportunity to celebrate the amazing, glorious, common-sense and ANTI-WAR Trump administration with Justin Raimondo on some ethereal form of Twitter.
After all, they say that with God, all things are possible.
This ROCKTOBER [01] [PLACEHOLDER] TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
This month of ROCKTOBER is dedicated to our ROCK STAR President DJT.
HOWEVER….
The first day of this month is the 2-year anniversary of the scurrilous attack on MAGA, America, and all that is good and just in this world, at Las Vegas.
I read EVERY one of the autopsies.
The TRUTH that they could not hide – that they could not distort – that they could not flood with their PUTRID DISINFORMATION – failed to save the PLOTTERS from JUSTICE.
WE DO NOT FORGET.
WE DO NOT FORGIVE.
NOT UNTIL THERE IS JUSTICE.
We have not forgotten.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
So here we are. After a month of HOT AUGUST, and seeing LIGHT overcome DARKNESS in LIGHT IN SEPTEMBER, we arrive at ROCKTOBER.
Be part of it. Bring your wisdom, your talents, your opinions, your investigations, your prayers, and your hopes to this thread.
In this post, I will shift around between three points of view:
The Stephen Kinzer (NYT) book entitled “Poisoner In Chief” – a restated CIA cover-up of ACTUAL progress on mind control, adjusted for new disclosure losses on MK, and blamecasting MK away from socialism and socialists, both foreign and domestic
The Adam and Melissa Dykes film about MK ULTRA centering on the human experimentation aspects, but also unaware of ACTUAL progress in practical programming of human beings through drugs and hypnosis.
This is some major dot-connecting. While I don’t have all the answers I want, I believe that I am closer to understanding past and current black hat MK abilities.
Relevant Bible Verse:
The man who sets a trap for others will get caught in it himself. Roll a boulder down on someone, and it will roll back and crush you. Proverbs 26:27
I begin this update on my search for TRUTH about MK (mind control) with a series of four tweets, three of which Twitter will NEVER let anybody see. OK – maybe a few people. Enough for COVER.
We begin with Sara Carter retweeting one of her old tweets.
#AMNESIA?@AGLynch, fmr AG Loretta Lynch told Congressional lawmakers in closed door testimony that despite the #DOJ having approved the @FBI warrant and renewals to spy on #CarterPage, she did not recall the applications nor any details.
You see – I am reading the new Kinzer book on Sidney Gottlieb and MK ULTRA at this very moment.
Anybody who reads this book will understand – amnesia was and undoubtedly remains a “holy grail” of the CIA. The problem is that Kinzer – at least from what I’ve seen of the book – never got access to anything or anybody which violated the “MK ULTRA Failure and Abandonment Narrative” (MUFAN for short, no pun intended, OK, maybe just a little).
And – if he did – he would only try to disprove it. The signs of a CIA water-carrier are all over this one.
MUFAN is wickedly hard to get around if you don’t have both data and persistence, but if you DO have them, then MUFAN is pretty much impossible to accept. And THAT is where DA WOOF is right now.
Well, I could not help commenting into /dev/mulder, so to speak. Check out who else was on the thread, thanks to Sara’s tagging – both Loretta Lynch and the FBI.
Read the new Kinzer book on the history of MK ULTRA, but drop his updated, LSD-centric whitewash/distraction agreement with the "cover failure" of the earlier chaff release. Drug/hypnotic amnesia is admitted by Kinzer/CIA as one of the top holy grails of IC. Trust me, it works. pic.twitter.com/Zj52ZRyU8L
Then I decided to really start laying it down – though gently. Note my very cryptic use of the date rather than to just spell things out. Credibility. I push RIGHT to the edge.
There are failures possible when the protocol is not rigidly followed, but Sid and colleagues deserve a lot more credit than getting thrown under the bus. Ask WHY people would go to the lengths they did. Kinzer & Dykes (The Minds of Men) don't frame MK in its full 1947 motive.
Now if you watch “The Minds of Men” (see below), you will see that the interest in the subject of mind control which preceded 1947 has meaning, but that meaning is most easily understood in the big picture by STILL referencing 1947 – to be really cagey about things. You’ll see.
Then we go for the finale, bringing it back to Loretta Lynch.
As for more common abuses of IC, there is no more beautiful obstruction of justice than making sure witnesses honestly can't remember stuff they honestly don't WANT to remember. The chimp chorus sanity-signals to the fake reality of no God, but sometimes holy grails are found.
I honestly have mixed feelings about waking up Loretta from her innocent bliss of ignorance granted by the technology, but we cannot truly forgive without remembrance – even if we truly forget. In the end, we will all come out of this better if we accept the fact that we have sinned.
So – WHERE WAS I?
Ah, yes. Reporting on what I’m learning about REAL MK.
In the book
POISONER IN CHIEF,
CIA chemist Sidney Gottlieb, is reintroduced in his classic role as willing scapegoat. The TRICK, however, is that he’s not covering up failure – he’s covering up SUCCESS.
In a cover-up which works by fake betrayal of the original project, calling it a loser and a fraud that grifted the world, somebody has to play Judas. Gottlieb, weirdly, also plays Christ. The man who was most responsible for the TECHNICAL aspects of MK work, and probably least responsible for the “wet works” dirty trade-craft aspects of sentencing victims to terminal human experimentation, other than carrying out the sentences (presumably by drug overdoses), takes on all of the CIA’s sins. Safely dead, with all of the “medical errors” of early MK research dead along with him, things can now be wrapped up as “the sorry history of Sidney Gottlieb“, thrown out, and the whole forgotten and/or forgiven, while the Mengelian fruit of the effort – WORKING MK – neatly persists in secret.
The problem? FRESH SINS. Once the AMERICAN PEOPLE themselves began to wake up, and became an OPEN THREAT to the socialist occupation by our own CIA, fronted through the failing New York Times and the rest of our FAKE NEWS, it was only a matter of time until they turned the guns on us. While FAKING that we – the “Bad Americans” – are the ultimate problem.
After El Paso and Dayton, I have no reason to believe – NONE – that the MK technology will not continue to be used against American citizens – over and over and over again – into the future. Socialist politics cannot let go of any tool which keeps its minority viewpoint in power. The only way to STOP it is to reveal until we BURN THE ABUSERS TO CINDERS.
Pushing back against Kinzer’s sleazy update of the KGB-CIA’s mind control firewall known as the MK ULTRA chaff release is part of that process.
While I’m showing you the El Paso shooter and one of his handlers in the above picture, where MK aspects are only hinted at, through the FATHER of the suspect / patsy, it is the DAYTON killings that have all the hallmarks of intense MK usage.
Not only is there a highly classified DARPA contractor angle on the father and mother – not only is there satanic sexual stuff all over the shooter (one of THE best motivators for MK violence) – there is TRANS on the sister, which obeys the economy of events principle. While I have not yet discussed the important MK aspects of TRANS in great detail, I can assure you that the psychology and biology of “transgendering” have been long-researched by those who are “transforming” humanity. There is a DEEP connection between individual MK and covert psychological research in THE PAST, and the current public mass psychology of the TRANS agenda. Research first – mass action later. That’s how they keep it seamless.
And I would be remiss not to leave this beautiful clue here for everybody. The shooter’s sister, Megan Betts, a.k.a. Jordan Cofer (her toe-in-the-water “trans” name), was studying earth sciences at Wright State University, and….
….hoped to someday work for NASA on EXO – specifically “exploring the viability of life on other planets”.
Poor, dumb, smart girl. She never knew what hit her.
Yeah. Don’t expect this one to go back in the box.
So where was I? Ah, yes.
The Kinzer book is heavy on details about MK from the viewpoint of Sidney Gottlieb and the “official” combined “fake news” history of mind control. It is everything that the CIA wants you to believe, to their supposed eternal embarrassment.
What happened with MUFAN (reminding you again – MK ULTRA Failure & Abandonment Narrative) is that the narrative was so successful, many of us actually doubted the cover narrative ITSELF as being too “woo-woo”.
We FIGHT over the reality of the REALITY STRAW MAN set before us. Think about that.
This is exactly what you want, if you’re covering something up. People are picking and choosing from limited information acting as disinformation. Many people are doubting even that limited information. However, any smart collection of ALL THE COVER combines to a cohesive whole story, and the COVER HOLDS.
Taken together, what Kinzer reveals all sounds shocking and new, but it’s not. It’s merely a kind of retro-historical cover compilation of well-known MK ULTRA narrative that seems fresh.
What Kinzer does, to make MUFAN seem new and fresh, is:
include “everything”, so there will be “new” material for every reader
increase the murderousness of it, cloaked in “Bad America” narrative (NYT gospel)
make it all center on Sidney Gottlieb as a kind of tragic American Mengele
link the CIA’s LSD “suicide” scandal to MK ULTRA and Sidney Gottlieb
play up all Nazi connections, play down all other socialist / communist connections
All of this serves to position Kinzer’s take on things as “the new definitive reality of MK ULTRA”. However, to anybody who actually experienced Gottlieb’s work first-hand, and secretly remembered (and kept DAMN quiet) how successful it actually was, it is very clear that Kinzer is simply – either knowingly, unknowingly, or somewhere in between – helping to renew MUFAN in a sturdier way that can be used to pooh-pooh future reveals as part of a now darker, sexier, and more believable MK ULTRA project failure.
Seriously, I can almost write those future pooh-poohs now.
The Kinzer book accomplishes several things as CIA-DNC-DSA-NYT propaganda:
blames early CIA anti-communist “white hats” as the origin of MK ULTRA
pooh-poohs all Soviet and Chinese brainwashing – even the term itself
pooh-poohs the very idea of “truth serum” – which I know for a FACT works
paints MK ULTRA and the experimentation that produced it as unjustified
minimizes the importance of Sidney Gottlieb being a card-carrying socialist
covers up Gottlieb’s role as a cultural Marxist – the hidden pied piper of “acid”
covers up the successful internal repurposing of CIA by KGB (a.k.a. “KGB-CIA”)
not a word about exo or post-Roswell motivations, to maintain “scoff levels”
not a word about the embedding matrix of CIA interest in CYBERNETICS
fulfills the “bad America” narrative over and over and over again
renews old, forgotten, but effective Soviet and Chinese Korean War propaganda
diverts away from scientific core principles of REAL MK using shiny objects
diverts away from the pharmacology of REAL MK using “shiny molecules”
A beautiful example of what I now call FAKE PUBLISHING.
However, as you can tell from the above, the book also GIVES AWAY MUCH:
accidentally reveals how CIA was immediately hiding MK successes from the military, something which I always suspected
reveals what was important in MK success by AVOIDING ALL MENTION
reveals current American and global socialist / cabal / “allied bad exo” goals
validates key points of my own story on MK abuse, including the larger CA3 scandal
validates the core idea of KGB-CIA’s penchant for regarding political opponents or people who simply get in the way of their projects as “expendable”
validates criminal interactions like Mueller-Bulger as normalized in the Deep State
validates the reality of DOMESTIC OPERATIONS as normalized in “bad CIA”
throws enormous shade on ANTHRAX as a key totem which appears over and over in the larger cabal story, and the story of which may be important in bringing them down
reveals that there is extreme sensitivity on SOCIALISM and CIA (a.k.a. KGB-CIA)
Based on this final list, you can see why I *highly* recommend this book, despite it being a combination of whitewash, distraction, diversion, propaganda, and cover.
Kinzer has given us a ROADMAP into socialist reliance on MK, socialist embedding in CIA, socialist abuse of CIA, and socialist weaponization of CIA. All we have to do is simply read the book BACKWARDS and INSIDE-OUT as cover-up. If you KNOW it’s a cover-up, their strategy and weaknesses just FALL OUT.
Kinzer’s over-reach on protecting socialism in America and its secret weapon – the owned, pwned, and duped-out CIA, along with their secret AND public MK weapons – is where this book really becomes valuable for most lay readers. To the astute anti-communist, knowing how the book was written and what its objectives are, the book REALLY gives away a LOT.
However, for readers interested in the TECHNICAL aspects of MK, you will be intensely interested in what is NOT FOUND in the book, and thus I recommend the KINDLE VERSION.
Search on any chemical term that you think might be used in actual MK drugged hypnosis and psychological programming – things like fentanyl, carfentanil, valium, librium, chlordiazepoxide, benzodiazepines in general, and any other agents with known aerosol induction utility or amnesic properties. Because we KNOW that benzodiazepines REVOLUTIONIZED sedation, DESPITE their amnesia-inducing side-effects. They undoubtedly revolutionized amnesia as well.
NOT. THERE.
And yet, an espionage-aware and historically skeptical reading of the literature indicates that the KEY amnesic/hypnotic drugs were discovered *accidentally* in the WEST in 1956-1957, meaning they could have EASILY been discovered a decade earlier in the Soviet Union – in novichok fashion – in time for actual brainwashing use in Korea.
Now do you believe me about how much of a HOAX the “MK ULTRA FAILURE AND ABANDONMENT NARRATIVE” actually was? The KEY DRUGS for amnesia that are never even mentioned in MUFAN – foisted on us in the mid-1970s – were found 20 years earlier – and possibly 30 years earlier in the more psychologically oriented Soviet Union.
And I’m only a quarter of the way into this book. Think about THAT.
Now – one last point about Sidney Gottlieb.
SIDNEY GOTTLIEB MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HIS ORIGINAL NAME.
Yes. Joseph Scheider may or may not have been Sidney Gottlieb’s birth name. But it was definitely used as a pseudonym.
Yeah. Are you smelling the DIAPER yet? Oh, I am smelling diaper all over this guy. Add Kinzer’s OTT defense of socialism in this book, and I’d say we have PAY DIRT.
Kinzer says that Joseph Scheider was just a pseudonym that Gottlieb used for testimony. However, Wikipedia says that Gottlieb was actually born as Joseph Scheider.
Let’s move on. This next part is what REALLY blew me away. You’ll see why, momentarily.
THE MINDS OF MEN
Aaron and Melissa Dykes, the creators of a fascinating documentary – The Minds of Men – about MK ULTRA and the larger effort within which it fell, don’t think much of the Kinzer book. This 21-minute video is worth watching to see why.
Very important to note that CIA-Bezos-WaPo-Amazon kicked this movie off of Amazon for absurd reasons. That’s how over the target this banned work actually is.
The bottom line is that the Dykes’ work shows Sidney Gottlieb to be a scapegoat of MK ULTRA. It is very likely that Gottlieb was a WILLING scapegoat, in my opinion, and this is shown by the level of responsibility he had in the project, which Kinzer points out. Gottlieb knew enough, that he knew exactly WHAT to HIDE, and HOW.
So – once you get BEYOND Sidney Gottlieb, there is MUCH, MUCH MORE. And THAT is where the documentary, The Minds of Men, goes.
This film is very much worth watching. However, I will warn you in advance, it is NOT going to leave you as any kind of happy camper. If anything, this film will leave you thinking that the Cabal’s control of the world is vast beyond correction or even restraint.
You will be taken down one rabbit hole after another, and shown that “mind control” and MK ULTRA were really just small parts of a much vaster CIA interest – CYBERNETICS.
The Wikipedia entry for Cybernetics provides a good definition, as follows:
Cybernetics is a transdisciplinary[1] approach for exploring regulatory systems—their structures, constraints, and possibilities. Norbert Wiener defined cybernetics in 1948 as “the scientific study of control and communication in the animal and the machine.”[2] In other words, it is the scientific study of how humans, animals and machines control and communicate with each other.
Cybernetics is applicable when a system being analyzed incorporates a closed signaling loop—originally referred to as a “circular causal” relationship—that is, where action by the system generates some change in its environment and that change is reflected in the system in some manner (feedback) that triggers a system change. Cybernetics is relevant to, for example, mechanical, physical, biological, cognitive, and social systems. The essential goal of the broad field of cybernetics is to understand and define the functions and processes of systems that have goals and that participate in circular, causal chains that move from action to sensing to comparison with desired goal, and again to action. Its focus is how anything (digital, mechanical or biological) processes information, reacts to information, and changes or can be changed to better accomplish the first two tasks.[3] Cybernetics includes the study of feedback, black boxes and derived concepts such as communication and control in living organisms, machines and organizations including self-organization.
The word cybernetics comes from Greek κυβερνητική (kybernētikḗ), meaning “governance”, i.e., all that are pertinent to κυβερνάω (kybernáō), the latter meaning “to steer, navigate or govern”, hence κυβέρνησις (kybérnēsis), meaning “government”, is the government while κυβερνήτης (kybernḗtēs) is the governor or “helmperson” of the “ship”. Contemporary cybernetics began as an interdisciplinary study connecting the fields of control systems, electrical network theory, mechanical engineering, logic modeling, evolutionary biology, neuroscience, anthropology, and psychology in the 1940s, often attributed to the Macy Conferences. During the second half of the 20th century cybernetics evolved in ways that distinguish first-order cybernetics (about observed systems) from second-order cybernetics (about observing systems).[4] More recently there is talk about a third-order cybernetics (doing in ways that embraces first and second-order).[5]
“The scientific study of control and communication in the animal and the machine.”
Norbert Wiener is key:
Norbert Wiener is credited as being one of the first to theorize that all intelligent behavior was the result of feedback mechanisms, that could possibly be simulated by machines and was an important early step towards the development of modern AI.[3]
One of the key types of revelation in The Minds of Men regards human experimentation. Not only is it very ugly, but there is LOTS OF IT. Almost four hours just touching it at a HIGH LEVEL. Much of it centers on mapping the brain using implanted electrodes. This work seems cruel and wasted from what the Dykes duo knows, but I now believe it was NOT WASTED. Just knowing what stuff appears where in the brain, and what drugs fire up or shut down what parts of the brain, was likely KEY in understanding how to pharmacologically play with the circuit breaker panel, so to speak, and create a HACK into the brain which allowed rudimentary programming.
In other words, I believe the work was FRUITFUL, and if we want to turn this stuff in a Godly direction, it needs to be REVEALED.
Now – something very STRIKING about the revelations in The Minds of Men.
On the one end of it, you have famous members of the intellectual elite like Norbert Wiener and Margaret Mead, jonesing up the cybernetic revolution in New York City at fancy conferences sponsored by the Macy’s Foundation. The names – the players – businesses, foundations, universities, governments – it is all HUGE and OVERFLOWING WITH MONEY and utterly UNSTOPPABLE. As soon as I saw the MONEY and POWER behind cybernetics, I understood WHY MIND CONTROL MATTERED.
And yet these people were “reputationally” disconnected from the very people they met with at these conferences. The ones who did the real dirty work of cybernetics – the wannabe-famous medical scientists who did sneaky, CIA-funded experiments that could NEVER ultimately make them famous – only infamous – because REAL LIVE PEOPLE were experimented on like animals.
And yet, put it all in the context of Roswell and the headbands, of which I’m sure only a few players knew (Wiener, Dulles, Helms, maybe Gottlieb), and one starts to understand WHY such experiments were “green-lighted”. There was URGENCY on this stuff.
Earth – HUMANITY – was way behind. Anybody who received briefings of what was experienced at Roswell would have surely realized that RADICAL MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS in hopes of curing people while gathering precious data to unravel alien near-telepathic communications and programming were almost saintly next to German and Japanese experiments on prisoners.
Although – yeah – see Kinzer – we did THAT, too. *face-palm*
And speaking of unwilling subjects experimented upon, I would LOVE to see my data someday – I can really correct a LOT of it.
So now, let’s bring it back to
My Hot Date With Nonexistent Tech
After watching The Minds of Men, it is VERY clear to me now why my ass got run over by MK ULTRA. There were HUGE forces, on a schedule, on a timetable, to advance this world – and more correctly SAVE IT in ways that Stephen Kinzer MOCKS and LAUGHS AT (read the book). Do those forces justify SHOOTING and KILLING US NOW?
Well, I tend to think NOT. Just like I think that trying to kill two guys who BARELY got in the way of their runaway train was not justified.
And trust me – Stephen Gottlieb is not the guy who ordered my “expending” in 1981, at which time (same month!) a similar job was used on Ronald Reagan – PRESIDENT Ronald Reagan – and some guy named Brady to advance the SAME FOREIGN AGENDA.
Are you all starting to see why they would dump that Kinzer book now? I only have to remind myself of what I actually went through, and what this NATION went through, to get a wee bit pissed about this stuff.
It turns out that the RULES I thought we had to obey are a JOKE and WINDOW DRESSING so that people like you and me can pretend that we’re in a nice fancy moving restaurant – when in fact we are actually in a BOXCAR on a TRAIN on a CONTINENT on a PLANET in a SYSTEM in a STAR GROUP in a GALAXY in a CLUSTER in a UNIVERSE in a SUBSET of an INFINITY of universes.
As lying Greta – that child shill whose role I once played – says: “THERE’S NO TIME.”
No, not “no time to save the planet”. NO TIME TO SAVE THEIR MONEY.
Here was me, thinking we had to do the right thing, even if that meant slowing down a good, well-meaning, GIANT idea just a little tiny bit to meet reality, when – little did I know – a day’s delay in the MONEY was worth more than my entire lifetime’s work.
These people had NO USE FOR ME. They had even less use for the student who caused the problem. They needed us dead, and they TRIED, but they MESSED UP. And then the backup failed. And then the backup to THAT failed.
And here we are. My happiness just to be alive is schadenfreude, because I was, am and always will be a PEST to them.
What is REMARKABLE is that my story falls RIGHT INTO “The Minds of Men”. I won’t say how or where, but that is now my biggest nuke. I was SHOCKED to hear FAMILIAR WORDS in the movie.
If anything ever happens to me, just fit me into the movie, and crash the whole damn thing to the ground. Every Trump accuser and enemy in the “60% that won’t be revealed” will spill out on the ground like some broken alien doll-person falling out of a flying saucer and
JUSTICE.
Although maybe a bit too much. But if they want it that way, it could happen.
Little did I know, when I walked into my would-have-been life of science, I walked right into a hotbed of MK ULTRA research. Everything and everybody was RIGHT THERE to take care of the problem. The NAIL stuck up. The HAMMER was there, just looking for a job.
That hotbed is only mentioned tangentially in the documentary, but combined with other things, it forces me to realize that there was a NEST of practitioners of cutting-edge PROGRAMMING OF HUMANS at my university. A department – a program that everybody thought was PUDVILLE – was actually housing human psychological programming that this world would not even BELIEVE POSSIBLE.
And there is so much money in it, KILLING PEOPLE is part of doing business.
It’s hilarious. I remember being a student on a plane, visiting universities, deciding where I was going to go. The guy next to me – a regular, random guy – thought I should go to the university with the most research. I liked that answer. I listened to him.
And here we are.
SO – the following is what I currently believe about the human individual MK tech which is now in use by the black hats.
Pharmacological
it is based on initial access to subjects while they are incapacitated, such as sleeping
initial induction of anesthesia may be done with a fast-acting narcotic such as carfentanil
devices and protocols are designed for the operation to be aborted at almost any time without the subject ever gaining awareness of the process
scheduled operations are almost risk-free – my awareness was due to a string of misfortunes, accidents and errors, including likely protocol violations
they don’t like subjects having access to guns – hence the tendency of sides using MK to attempt accessions when subjects are traveling or visiting prepared destinations
white hat accessions may exhibit ethical aspects in both programming actions and the programming itself (gonna leave that as a generality)
failed employer or service drug tests may serve as indicators of past MK accessions
highly amnesic sedatives, probably benzodiazepines, are used in combination with other drugs which may include specific stimulants or depressants
the goal is to increase *particular* areas of voluntary brain activity such as speech, while decreasing others, such as CONCURRENT MEMORY STORAGE, to gain a state where a subconscious persona can respond to questions and the subject cannot remember it
thus, the drug combination and the parts of the brain affected are KEY to the target state
Psychological / Cybernetic
the implantation process requires entry into a highly hypnotic state not achievable by normal hypnosis
the implanted programming can be described as a kind of artificial obsessive-compulsive disorder
the implantation process involves a skilled combination of input and output, much like an interactive computer programming session
remote programming was not possible in 1981, but is likely now, using advanced technology to connect a programmer to a subject
AI will soon be able to function as the programmer, if not already
subject requires a motivation to perform scripts
success requires freedom from “showstopper” inhibitors of script actions
“unthinkable” is “undoable”
motivations can be implanted, within limits
some but not all inhibitors can be overridden by motivations
success is proportional to motivation
success is inversely proportional to inhibition
script executes or fails in ACTUAL environment, just like scripting/shell languages
script can be insulated from environment by creating “tunnel vision” and internal focus
existing intelligent sub-processes can be used to support missions
new intelligent sub-processes can be generated in situ
interrogation is used to find motivators, inhibitors, and other existing programming to exploit or bypass
event triggers are used just like value checks and logic tests in normal programming
like any hacking, the more programming has been introduced, the more becomes possible
subject ability to SELF-PROGRAM increases ability to be EXTERNALLY PROGRAMMED, but also presents RISKS of SELF-DEPROGRAMMING
hypnotic suggestion can close off access to memories outside of the programming session, but cannot guarantee against possibility of accidental re-creation of access
hypnotic closure can be breached by trigger creation if the subject accidentally gains concurrent consciousness in the session and this is not spotted and erased by the programmers
Now – to be completely blunt – I believe that the alien tech is way better, and has likely benefited from human research since the Barney and Betty Hill days. I also believe that the human tech has improved, and may now be a generation BEYOND what I experienced. Nevertheless, I think these “fundamentals of human programming” still apply, even if they are highly automated and compressed now.
Cybernetics. The CORE principle is that – carbon or silicon – it’s all MACHINES. But that means that GOD’S MACHINES – all of them – can love God, too. I am convinced of this.
This LIGHT IN SEPTEMBER [24] [PLACEHOLDER] TUESDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
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AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
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Our movement
Is about replacing
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And CORRUPT
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With a new government controlled
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Candidate Donald J. Trump
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Be part of it. Bring your wisdom, your talents, your opinions, your investigations, your prayers, and your hopes to this thread.
I just realized that @POTUS's EOs on the assets of corrupt organizations will apply to the #ClimateFraud sponsors, too. Carbon sister Greta's "manager mister" will be one of the first in line.
Hey, it’s not every day that I get to post something that’s not only about the unspeakable issue of vaccines, but is both PRO-VAX and ANTI-VAX at the same time.
I mean, what’s the use of FREE SPEECH if we can’t use it to troll EVERYBODY – including PENCILNECK?
Whoops – WRONG PENCILNECK. Let’s try that again….
THERE we go. That’s “better”!
Schiffty don’t like what he calls “misinformation” about vaccines. Well, consider this an OPINION piece, kinda like a RESTAURANT REVIEW. You can’t “misinform” in an artistic review of “so bad they’re good” side effects. Particularly when the flavorful review is comin’ from a connoisseur of dark beers, overpowering “old man” colognes, shockingly compliment-getting retrograde fashions, and KICK-ASS IMMUNE RESPONSE.
Not to mention wife-appalling HAWAIIAN SHIRTS.
Yeah, think of this as a CRITICAL REVIEW of the Italian medical opera Vaccino Zoster Ricombinante Contro il Lupo. Which as you will see is not exactly Springtime for Shingles, but it gets the job done and has the POSERS and LIGHTWEIGHTS among the “appassionato di anticorpi” running for the DOORS.
“Immunity? You want IMMUNITY? You can’t HANDLE THE IMMUNITY!”
Yeah. And while that FAT LADY named Zoster Booster ain’t sung yet, the VIRAL TABLOID NEWS is running for the phones with the STORY OF THE CENTURY!
STAND BACK.
THIS TRAIN don’t carry no PENCIL.
I mean NONE.
Now,
you have to understand that I actually LIKE getting vaccinated.
I was in school when the POLIO vaccine came out, and mothers BEGGED to come to school to MAKE SURE their children got the vaccine. MOMS talked about polio all the time. And so did kids. We asked LOTS of questions:
Why do those weird canes look like that?
Why do they call it the March of Dimes?
Can you still breathe in a wheelchair if you get polio?
How bad is the iron lung?
Was the president who had polio ever in the iron lung?
Why doesn’t the vaccine help people who already got polio?
The first time I got vaccinated, I cried, like most of the kids. The second time, however, the nurse taught us that if we laughed before she stuck the needle in, it wouldn’t hurt enough to make us cry – and she was RIGHT. And while this wasn’t the FIRST psy-op taught to me, it would always remain one of the best and most useful.
We knew we had to get the vaccine. Nobody wanted to end up like the “cripples” – or “the handicapped” as one said in more polite company. They were everywhere. You could not go downtown – even in our small town – and not see them.
Some were from The War, or maybe Korea, but by the time they cured polio, there were more people disabled from polio – or at least it seemed that way.
My babysitter – or “sitter” “for short” – was born in the 1800s. She was old, but tough as leather, and sharp as a tack. Nowadays, she would be considered “remarkably spry”, but there were many tough old birds like her, back then. She could recite hundreds of Bible verses perfectly. She hadn’t just SEEN wagon wheels by the sides of barns like we did – she RODE in wagons – covered and uncovered – as her main mode of transportation – long after the first cars and trucks appeared. She had perfect memories of two Testaments, two World Wars, and every kid she ever “sat”.
Most of all, she had experienced almost every major communicable disease EXCEPT polio. She could tell you ALL ABOUT THEM. Everything you wanted to know. She may have been a nurse when she was younger – I don’t remember. She did indeed live a rather extraordinary life.
Her BIGGIE was SMALLPOX – and she had the scars to prove it. While not all smallpox scars look the same, hers appeared as big, roughly circular, dark brown spots on her arms, legs, hands, face, and neck. She had some on her body, too, that she swore were there, but never showed us.
Compared to many people with more “pock-like” smallpox scars, hers were not bad at all – really more like big moles or nevi, though not quite beauty spots, so she never saw fit to have them removed, even though such things had become possible by the 1960s.
She was PROUD of her scars, and GRATEFUL that God saw fit for her to live.
With such things not only known to all of us, but topics of casual discussion, the idea of not getting vaccinated was regarded not as some kind of option, but rather as a misfortune. As in, “Did you hear? Eleanor CAN’T get the vaccine – she’s allergic to it.” “Oh, no. I’m so sorry for her. Are they sure? Can’t they they come up with a different kind of vaccine for people like her?”
All of us got the smallpox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine would typically produce a big welt on your shoulder, which would then heal to a big scab and fall off, leaving a very typical SCAR. The vaccine scar was not nearly as bad as a smallpox scar. All the women and girls had the vaccination scar, except my sitter, who didn’t need it. Sometimes you had to look a bit to find the vaccination mark on a girl’s shoulder, but it was always there.
Here is a good link to learn more about smallpox and its cure by vaccination, as taught in the context of some Fake Entertainment television show about time travel.
And HERE is where we are introduced to the ideas behind Retrosynthetic DINOPOX.
THE IDEA OF AVOIDING SMALLPOX
by INOCULATION – basically “special, controlled, intentional infection” – using the smallpox virus ITSELF is called “variolation”. Although people didn’t know that it was a VIRUS, they knew that certain types of exposure to smallpox were “less deadly” than others. In fact, the rather horrifying idea of “sniffing powdered smallpox scabs” or “scratching fluids from a smallpox infection into the skin” reduced the mortality from upwards of 30% (the exact figure depends on who one asks, and at what time in history one is talking about) to only 2%. This was definitely practiced in China in the 10th and 16th centuries, and may have been practiced about 2000 years earlier in India.
The idea is that you will definitely get it, but it will be mild and you almost always won’t die, knock on wood.
Controlled exposure to the deadly contagion, so that one might live.
The next powerful advance, however, was not variolation but vaccination – so named because it used the much less dangerous COWPOX to give immunity to both cowpox and smallpox.
Finally, nowadays, when vaccination for smallpox is done, it uses not cowpox but the related vaccinia virus, which again gives immunity to both cowpox and smallpox as well.
So now let’s talk about SHINGLES and the SHINGLES VACCINE.
Shingles is basically what chickenpox looks like when it COMES BACK FROM DORMANCY later in life. And chickenpox is a bit LIKE smallpox, but it is really a different beast, which is not protected against by the smallpox vaccination. It’s a WHOLE ‘NUTHER POX – and MUCH less serious.
The chickepox vaccine was a replacement for what WE had as children – CHICKENPOX PARTIES – in which all the moms would make sure their kids GOT CHICKENPOX at a “good age”, when the disease was mild, the child old enough to understand English, and the outcome assured – a LIFELONG immunity against chickenpox. Not only that – the “recurrence disease” of “shingles” – which does NOT present AT ALL like chickenpox – was not common for those who actually HAD chickenpox, and not the vaccine.
Shingles is NOT a fun disease. I’ve had it once, and it tried to come back at least once. The treatment was the same in all cases – ANTIVIRAL drugs to lessen the severity of the disease and then beat it back – something that actually works rather nicely.
The first time I had shingles, in my early 50s, it struck one of the upper quadrants of my head. I thought that I would be permanently disabled. I could not even think during the periodic bouts of debilitating head pain – which was accompanied by a kind of overall sensory nervous dysfunction – something a bit like electrical shock. I literally began retirement preparations, knowing that I would be unable to function in an office environment any longer.
I was very lucky that the antiviral drugs kicked in quickly, lessening the severity enough to work from home, and eventually ending the bout with no permanent nerve damage. Had it not been for antiviral drugs, I would have had to go on disability, or retire early.
When shingles tried to come back, I knew the early warning signs – which for me are certain very characteristic lesions – and I got the drugs immediately. It was a smart move. The disease backed off right away. And although it never progressed that far again, I did get periodic “super-early signs”, which told me shingles was still lurking, waiting to strike again.
SO – you can imagine why I might want to consider the shingles vaccine, despite SO many reports of nasty side effects.
Shingles SUCKS for Wolf. A mildly sucky vaccine is MY COWPOX.
Only – it’s not. There IS no cowpox for shingles.
However, the NEW shingles vaccine – a very high-tech combination of FAKE VIRUS (recombinant surface glycoproteins of the Herpes Zoster virus, expressed in cell cultures) and IMMUNE RESPONSE PROVOCATEURS (meaning adjuvants) – is just as good, if not better.
A good description from a pharmacist’s viewpoint is here:
Like COWPOX, which offers lifetime immunity to SMALLPOX, but through a very mild ACTUAL disease exposure – DINOPOX is gonna make you a bit ill. HOWEVER, in my opinion, it’s a whole lot better than real shingles, and well worth the problems.
Note that dinosaurs can be bigger than cows and are theoretically related to chickens, which however have nothing to do with chickenpox. How the name “chickenpox” was attached to chickenpox is not entirely clear. So while Dinos being Retro to Chickens is TRUE but IRRELEVANT, the SYNTHETIC nature of the vaccine is both true AND relevant.
The surface glycoprotein – obtained through recombinant DNA technology – says “this is what to attack”. The TWO adjuvants – including a new and powerful tree bark substance, say “respond to this stuff DRAMATICALLY”.
What is VERY interesting, is that the symptoms of this “fake disease” caused by the “fake virus”, which gives one much better immunity than even SHINGLES ITSELF (think about that), are actually both a bit like chickenpox, and a bit like shingles, only MUCH, MUCH milder than either – IN MY CASE.
I am only talking about MY CASE. More on that later.
I experienced at first a dull, mild pain, then very minor swelling, and then creeping surface redness at the injection site, in my upper arm. The redness grew within a couple of days to about 4 inches in diameter. The redness – which was HOT TO THE TOUCH – was still visible, but slowly dissipating, after the better part of a week.
The injection area – my upper arm – looked and felt, quite frankly, like I had been hit with a line drive baseball – but without any initial pain or later bruising. There was no sharp pain like a bee or wasp sting, but there was a very persistent dull pain, much like that from blunt force trauma. It was somewhat itchy, but not unbearably. The redness resembled – well – chickenpox. It was kind of bright and lobster-like, and NOT terribly rash-like. People might call it a rash, but it was not like an allergic surface rash, which thypically includes both edema and inflammation.
I also got a couple of ACTUAL CHICKEN POX – one near the injection site, and one on a random place on my belly. The redness matched the injection site, and the pustules matched my memory of chickenpox.
The most interesting symptoms, however, were those that resembled my own prior case of SHINGLES. These included both a kind of general, mild, “electric shock” sensation, over my whole upper body and head, and a stronger, cranial upper-quadrant, “electric” neuralgia in the exact area where I had debilitating pain during my first case of shingles.
However – and this is important – I did NOT have the pain associated with shingles itself.
The characteristic lesions of my shingles attacks were also NOT present.
Overall, I think this is quite possibly the STRONGEST vaccination I have ever received. The immune response is clearly BIGGER than anything I have yet experienced.
SO……
knowing what I know now, would I recommend this shot?
I would say, for anybody in my shoes – one who has NOT had significant reactions to vaccines before, but who HAS had nasty experiences with shingles – that it is a BETTER option to take this new Shingrix vaccine, than to endure the far greater risks of shingles. That is just my opinion, but it IS my opinion.
Others need to weigh the risks without any recommendation on my part.
Use what you know. Think about it. Make an informed decision.
Here are some links.
Pay SPECIAL ATTENTION to the COMMENTS on the last one, where people who had negative side effects dumped a LOT of anecdotal information. This is NOT useful statistically, but it is EXTREMELY USEFUL to know the DOWNSIDE RISKS. These bad cases will PROBABLY NOT happen to you, but they COULD. This information is VERY USEFUL in – say – planning that trip with the non-refundable tickets.
You know what I’m sayin’? Yeah. You know what I’m sayin’.
