“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This [Q+4]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
“Awkward Styles”
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
ON PRAYER
My old ask to PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT was getting stale.
TIME FOR NEW
It’s time to PRAY for those around Trump – all those people who we don’t trust as much as Trump, but who President Trump DEPENDS ON, every day, to GET THE JOB DONE.
I’m not going to pick out anybody by name – that is for YOU to decide.
But I want you to PRAY FOR OTHERS to lift up this President, so that he, too, can SEE THE POWER OF PRAYER even more clearly through them!
Doesn’t matter who it is – even NAMELESS people who may see his pen and signature. Even anonymous patriots who protect him and us every day. Even his wife, his Vice President, and thousands of others – pray for them all to LIFT UP PRESIDENT TRUMP in all possible ways!
And ONE final prayer request. Pray for the Trump brothers, specifically.
My condolences to Pres @realdonaldtrump on the passing of his younger brother Robert. Losing a sibling is a terrible thing made so much worse by all the suffering in the world right now from the #coronavirus. I wish the President and his family Gd's comfort in this difficult time
I have a great article coming, so I will keep this short. For now I want to encourage you to think about WAYS OF SUBVERTING the masks that DUMB US DOWN FOR CHINA.
We all know those brave souls who stand up to mask mandates openly, but not all of us are able to weather those storms. Some have tried and have felt beaten and demoralized. Some are leery to even try.
Too many people who ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be wearing masks are being FORCED TO DO SO by “Karen World”.
"Doctors do it" is simply not a health proof – particularly coming from a profession (I have known many) which often requires or encourages an incredible amount of self-abuse, such as sleep deprivation.
The question of mask/brain O2 deficit and CO2 excess is readily answered.
I want to instill QUIET COLONIST REBELLION against hypoxia-inducing, cognition-decreasing, DANGEROUS masks.
Think about ways to rebel against the MASK NAZIS, and be ready for my article!
ChiCom Risks
Yes – let’s follow the story from useful idiot MASK NAZIS back to CHINAZIS.
Even Twitter is now waking up to the fact that China is doing everything possible to destroy America, and you will see this in my upcoming article on useless, dangerous, China-imposed MASKS, very shortly.
If Twitter has decided to END its hypocrisy in going after ONLY Trump, by labeling CHINA TWEETS as what they are, then at least their censorship is a little more even-handed, but I also think (at)jackboot is getting wise to the fact that CCP is using DNC like a rented mule. CCP doesn’t care if they destroy DNC during their get-away.
And that’s just the beginning…..
China’s Thousand Talents Plan recruits foreign researchers, including Americans, and offers monetary incentives to hand their research over to Beijing. We need to stop the #CCP’s systematic campaign to steal their way to the top.https://t.co/gU2J7rtwYI
I am still SHOCKED by the indictment of Harvard’s *DEPARTMENT HEAD* Charles Lieber. Talk about going straight for the top. Top administrator at a top chemistry university.
Say what you will about Wray – this was a HUGE bust. Never in my wildest dreams.
Yes – what I saw in science was alarming. I was RIGHT THERE in the middle of a bunch of the world’s sketchiest ChiComs – AND YET I never heard ANYTHING about their “Thousand Talents” (OF SILVER) bribery program. That’s how well they kept this under wraps. And SMART, too – they must have known I would have raised a flag if I knew about Thousand Talents.
Sure, maybe I had nothing they wanted, but I never heard scuttlebutt of this program from ANYBODY.
Of course, maybe they only show researchers the “Thousand Talents” contract after the “perky little tits” have been shoved at potential recipients one time too many. I did “almost run into” some of that action.
Notice the name? The cunning joke of betrayal as a subtext? That is CLASSIC CHICOM. They love to CROW over their victims, with the victims not realizing what is going on. Or maybe the sell-outs DO realize that they’re selling out, because they have little choice, or it gets worse.
There is NO AMOUNT OF KARMA that the ChiComs don’t deserve here.
There is some talk that BANNON is a victim of CCP shenanigans. My thoughts…..
This guy is supposedly an anti-Chicom activist . . . but WSJ story says in fact he may be a double agent. Bannon may have been had.
Without even looking, I can tell you that "controlled opposition" in the China camp is filled with ringers and manipulable fools. Just like Russia AND Ukraine are both filled with "ex"-Soviet peril, China, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia – all are deadly on ChiCom risks.
The ChiComs can use ANYBODY. but they prefer white-face and black-face in America, because it's easy and leaves no fingerprints, so why not? They get HK to "help" in their sleep. Bannon's happy-go-lucky footsie with HK just made me cringe, TBH. "Too casual" is his weakness.
Bottom line – anybody who gets anywhere NEAR ChiComs or WHO THEY TOUCH is at risk. They will MESS WITH YOU in any way they can. They will SNAKE you with influence, spying, exfiltration, sabotage, or life and reputation damage through whatever means are possible.
It’s a real shame that one has to be CAREFUL A.F. with even the nicest, most honest, communist-hating Chinese Americans, but even ABC (American-born Chinese) are deeply and heavily infiltrated and influenced by the ChiComs, and if you have a Chinese spouse or “significant other”, prepare for dangerous and “interesting” times!
Reality doesn’t care about “it sure would be nice if everything and everybody was on the up and up”.
That ain’t the way it is.
Dealing With AQQusing Libs
Right now, when “Q” has been brought to the foreground by Fake News attacking POTUS, there may be a temptation to hang back. DON’T. There has never been a time like now to just dump Epstein and company all over the left. We own everything but “cannibals”, and who knows what is coming? And while you’re at it, jump up and down on “The Hoax” for all you’re worth! The HOAX that Q got right, and THEY got wrong.
Hilarious that Fake News threw "cannibals" in there JUST TO MAKE SURE that it wan't obviously true, since Democrat bundlers, aides, millionaires and interns arrested in the last few years on child porn or human trafficking charges are pretty much a satanic cult of pedophiles. https://t.co/pmfwrDqdO3pic.twitter.com/BU6EaHNwvl
OK, maybe not cannibals, Fake News. Grand jury is still out there. But – well – Trump seems to have done something about global elite pedophile satanists and managed to shutter their temple! pic.twitter.com/AvnyWJEjNb
"Columbia". Wasn't Comey's nerdy BFF who helped in the lawfare coup from there? Seems to be a magnet with credibility cover for a lot of unsavory types. pic.twitter.com/iMxeWuBXZH
Here are some selections from a RANT THREAD on Twitter…..
The only "toxic and dangerous conspiracy" I see is the ridiculous phony Democrat "news" that has reached Soviet levels of cringe. The fact that an anonymous TROLLING PSY-OP and its followers – urged to be PEACEFUL and TRUTHFUL – can drive these Bolshie betas nuts? Beautiful. https://t.co/STnYsP19uo
Yeah, these faux journalists are scared – and they should be. To even characterize QAnon as a "conspiracy" is just DUMB at levels a 1970's pre-progzi high-school paper would not fall for.
A "conspiracy" is what Hillary and her supporters did to TRUMP. AND WE HAVE PROOF.
One of the things I find devastating to the left is to make sure they understand they are reacting to a PSY-OP. I’m careful not to call QAnon “just” a psy-op – that diminishes a TRUTH PROJECT, and such things are grand endeavors. Q is way more than just a psy-op or a troll against the Fake News. But TWISTING the Q phenomenon off their shill position that it’s a “conspiracy” or a “conspiracy theory” is exactly where I love to go, in proving that THEY are not reporting it correctly.
They know it’s a psy-op aimed at them, and they can’t report it.
MAKE. THEM. GROVEL. IN. THEIR. FAKE. NEWS. DENIAL.
People say "psy-op" like it's a bad thing. This nation's FLAG and ANTHEM celebrate a successful psy-op against the British. A beautiful operation where more people gave their lives for a psychological victory than a naval tactical one. Absolutely inspiring.
In which the social justice “hoax retelling” of the Matthew Shepard gay/drug acquaintance murder fits into an even bigger social justice artistic story-born movement looking for a political event to boost it.
Introduction:
I did not expect to write this article. But after being sucked into a rabbithole of research, I simply had to do it.
I do not, unfortunately, have an exact answer to my original question:
What was the relationship of the Matthew Shepard murder to the movie Brokeback Mountain?
As you will see, the relationship is very strong. But just like the truth of the Shepard murder itself was originally hidden underneath calculated social justice hoaxing, so too the history of the related / unrelated movie which followed is obscured by the larger, softer, “DVD extra”, PBS “stay tuned” feature, more diffuse, more professional, and easier almost-truths of the New-York-to-Hollywood-by-way-of-Flyover-and-Writeover-Country-and-Western “artistic axis”.
There is no smoking gun. But there is smoke everywhere. One might say it’s the way that “wishful conspiracies” work.
Discovery:
Start here.
I knew there was some question about the Matthew Shepard murder, and that it was “also drug-related”, but I did not know just how much of a euphemism “it might have a drug angle” was.
In honor of Gay Pride month, have a red pill about Matthew Shepard.
Matthew Shepard’s murder is a vintage case of fake news. The truth is that he was a drug dealer who was murdered by people who were trying to steal his large supply of crystal meth. Of course, the fake news media blew this up as the “gay hate crime of the century,” the Democrats tried for years to use it as an excuse to push hate crime legislation, and Americans were scolded about it for years for being “big bad violent homophobes.” Even though America is probably the safest country in the world for the LGBT community, you wouldn’t know it from the way they continue to point to Matthew Shepard as proof of persecution (they can’t bring up Pulse nightclub because that would involve blaming Muslims).
So there you go. Next time someone starts whinging to you about Matthew Shepard, kindly point out the real circumstances behind his murder.
This is a great article, covering the essential investigatory book, and it actually prompted THIS investigation.
I wanted to know – did this obviously “social justice re-narratived” murder – frequently mentioned in the context of the movie “Brokeback Mountain” – actually have any deeper relationship? Was it the IMPETUS for the movie? Did a HOAX create a PROPAGANDA MOVIE?
What I found haunted me. But I set it aside, never finished the post, and got distracted. Until Sadie reminded me.
Matthew Shepard was a drug dealer who was killed in a bad drug deal by people he knew. There’s even an entire book written by a gay journalist about what really happened and how the media misled everyone on it. Despite this, the DNC and media continue to perpetuate the hate hoax 20+ years later.
The parents of Matthew Shepard cast Wyoming’s votes for Joe Biden for president. Matthew Shepard was left to die on a fence in Laramie, WY after being brutally attacked & tied to that fence on Oct. 7, 1998. It was a gay hate crime. Matthew died at age 21. https://t.co/YIFzYhs6kN
— David Begnaud (@DavidBegnaud) August 19, 2020
[Amazon link below]
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You will see from that Twitter post, that the social justice hoax is still going strong:
Here is the investigatory book:
When I read the Guardian article after Sadie’s FIRST comment, I figured that the story of Matthew Shepard (who was murdered in October of 1998) was likely the starter idea from which BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN (2005) was generated.
Actually this is WRONG – it’s the REVERSE – but I didn’t know it until I dug into the chronology.
Reality:
The Matthew Shepard hoax story LOOKS like the origin of the movie Brokeback Mountain in “normie political news-viewer world”. It appears like the murder “brought to light” the “gay cowboy phenomenon” which had always been there – we just didn’t know about it. Granted, there ARE gays in the redneck and cowboy worlds, but it’s not nearly as big a deal as the leftist fake news wants it to be. The TRUTH is that in liberal artistic world, the Matthew Shepard murder was a VICTIM-SYMPATHY BOOSTER (just barely) for a liberal-beloved fictional story INTO a movie.
Stated another way, a DRUG REALITY was re-told into conformance with a PRE-EXISTING BUT RELATIVELY UNKNOWN LIBERAL FICTION, which not only yielded POLITICAL ACTION, but TIPPED THE BALANCE for ARTISTIC LEVELING-UP.
The reality is not nice. A BOTTOM GAY GUY was killed by two TOP GAY GUYS in the very dangerous “meth + gay sex” world. Death is a common problem in that world – see Ed Buck. The difference here is that literature-savvy gay activists were among the first to react, possibly as “witness distancing”, and quickly turned a “bad for gays” drug story into an anti-gay “hate crime”, and the fake news media lapped it up like mother’s milk.
From the article – this is CRITICAL….
But when Matthew’s friends Walt Boulden and Alex Trout heard of the attack they rushed to the hospital. They contacted the Associated Press and a number of local gay organisations that same day. Boulden, a 46-year-old college instructor who says he was the last person to talk to Matthew before he met McKinney and Henderson, linked the attack to Wyoming legislature’s failure to pass a hate-crimes bill. Boulden later said the assault was identified as a hate crime by a policeman.
But that’s not all.
Place this in political context.
All this stuff was happening during the SECOND TERM of the Clintons. I believe that for both Clinton and Obama, the SECOND TERM was designed to be the one where radical propaganda events would be undertaken. So the media minons and leftist pols were HOT TO TROT for “progress”, and this story, bogus as it was, was simply unstoppable.
NOW – let’s TIMELINE all this “gay cowboy” stuff. You will see that it shows the TRUE NARRATIVE DEVELOPMENT.
While you’re looking at this, consider MIMETIC THEORY as a bit of an explainer here. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Girard for a description of the basic theory, which is not immediately obvious, but which is extremely useful in looking at communist victim-substitution psychology and TACTICS.
HERE WE GO….. (includes some quotes – references listed at the end)
1992 – old-and-famous Larry McMurtry begins writing collaboration with young hottie Diana Ossana
1993 – Annie Proulx gets Guggenheim fellowship
1994 – Annie Proulx moves to Wyoming
spring 1997 – Annie Proulx is inspired to write story by a bar scene (ranchy-type guy scoping out guys)
1997 – Annie Proulx writes story
10/13/1997 – Annie Proulx short story “Brokeback Mountain” officially appears in New Yorker
fall 1997 – story is immediately seen by Ossana and optioned by Ossana and McMurtry at Ossana’s initiation
(Note that the way magazines are released early, this could have been in September.)
“That evening, I asked Larry how he would feel if any staunch Lonesome Dove fans turned against him for being involved with a film that subverts the myth of the American West and its iconic heroes. He replied that he’d never given it a thought. I told him good, I figured as much, I just needed to hear you say the words. That was the only time we ever spoke about any political implications to making a film of “Brokeback Mountain.”
fall 1997 – screenplay is produced by McMurtry and Ossana in three months
“We had a finished screenplay in three months, and sent it off to Wyoming. In a few days Annie phoned, and we spoke for over two hours. She had points she wanted to clarify, and a few corrections, but on the whole she seemed genuinely pleased with our work. I felt fortunate to have her input, because these people were born in her imagination. She and I spoke about Ennis and his stoicism, his background, his homophobic worldview, his inability to access his emotions. She talked a lot about Wyoming, its landscape, its people and their hardscrabble lives.
What she said to me in those two hours I mentally filed away. I referred back to it for the next eight years.
We sent the script to our representatives, who in turn sent it out into the world. Our Brokeback Mountain screenplay had been in existence for a year when young Matthew Shepard was brutally murdered in Laramie, Wyoming. It was horrifying. It felt like an eerie mirroring of Annie’s story and our screenplay My daughter, Sara, was attending the University of Wyoming in Laramie on a basketball scholarship when they found Matthew’s body tied to a fence not five minutes from her apartment. I flew to Wyoming to be with her. While I was there, we went to visit Annie at her home in Centennial. We spent the day together, and she took us on a picnic up near the Medicine Bow. Annie was warm and welcoming, a strong, solid presence, and it was reassuring to Sara (and to me) to know she would be close by.”
10/6/1998 – Matthew Shepard killed and STORY CHANGED by last witness college instructor Walt Bouden
Remember: (“Boulden, a 46-year-old college instructor who says he was the last person to talk to Matthew before he met McKinney and Henderson, linked the attack to Wyoming legislature’s failure to pass a hate-crimes bill. Boulden later said the assault was identified as a hate crime by a policeman.”)
1999-2002 – film under discussion but it never comes together
2003 – deal to make film is reached
spring 2004 – production begins (Ang Lee director, Ossana producer)
9/2/2005 – film festival releases begin in Europe
12/11/2005 – limited [Christmas!] release in US
1/13/2006 – US general release
1/22/2008 – Heath Ledger dies of drug overdose
7/18/2008 – Dark Knight released (Ledger plays Joker)
I don’t think Matthew Shepard was killed to make a movie, but I think he WAS killed for drugs, and then fit to a “nicer for gays” story that people ALREADY wanted to believe. The fact that his re-told death meant MONEY for the Democrat-media-entertainment-arts-propaganda complex only insured that the re-telling would STICK.
Conspiracy theories involving individuals are often wrong, but they are useful, in that they provide a skeletal road-map to a larger reality of social conspiracies. And those conspiracies ARE promoted by people with long and patient plans.
Although it may look like Matthew Shepard was conveniently murdered for leftist propaganda, IMO it’s more likely that his murder for drugs – knowledge of the abuse likely touching his “witness friends” – was conveniently RE-PURPOSED to fit a desired narrative, and KILL the real one, of gays, sex and methamphetamine.
Many people WANTING something to be true, and all of them white-lying, wishful-thinking, exaggerating, distorting, re-telling, re-casting, or even re-remembering things – but ONLY a little bit for most of them, and with malicious intent by only a few of them – allows ONE HUGE LIE to be hidden among a large number of people.
THAT is my diagnosis of what happened here.
Liberals BROUGHT THEIR CULTURE with them to Wyoming and IMPOSED IT on the alien cowboy culture there – in thought, then in STORY, and finally in FAKE NEWS AS STORY.
Communist social justice hoaxing followed “artistes” and gays to Wyoming, as sure as communist corruption followed the Clintons to already-corrupt Arkansas.
It was only a matter of time until they would speak a new reality into existence.
The question of FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, the indictment of whom was POSSIBLY announced by AG William Barr in response to Sundance’s announcement of an imminent release about DOJ, is very interesting.
Clinesmith is the guy who altered an email about Carter Page, hiding that Page was a CIA source, and thus allowed the BAD Carter Page FISA to continue to be used against Trump.
Is Clinesmith cooperating? How MUCH is he cooperating? People are speculating like crazy. A lot of people are taking Barr’s “gib” as a sign that BIG FISH ARE GONNA BE IN THE FRYIN’ PAN! Clinesmith has to be cooperating! He’s SINGING!!!
Really? “Trey Gowdy really?” Are we sure this isn’t more “Tick Tock Club”?
Remember James Wolfe? He THREATENED to give up a bunch of people in the Senate. Sure seems very convenient that DOJ attorney Jussie K. Liu made that all go away with a wrist-slap for lying to the FBI.
Yeah, but now it’s DURHAM. And Durham is a “straight shooter”!
OK, so you say Sundance says Durham’s not real, yada yada yada, but throw that all aside – Clinesmith is TALKING. RIGHT?
Set aside the possibility – which I think is very real – that MKULTRA techniques may have been used on Clinesmith, to insure he would “come through” on “Carter Page not a source”. Totally subconscious. He won’t remember a thing. Those techniques can also interfere with investigation. “Missing time.” Gaps in memory. There is some possibility that these techniques can be REVERSED, but SET THAT ASIDE, TOO.
We simply need to know two things:
is Clinesmith giving up useful evidence which will get more coupsters?
is OTHER evidence accumulating that will get more coupsters?
If you read the article, you will see that this reasoning is based on the fact that Carter Page is KNOWN to have sent a letter to Comey, telling him that he had worked for the CIA. Page copied a WITNESS on it, so this is a KNOWN FACT.
In my opinion, TGP is overstating the case by ASSUMING that Comey believed that letter. Well, whether or not Comey believed he letter, we know that FBI top brass was RE-ASKING the lowers about Carter Page’s CIA status when Clinesmith DOCTORED THE EMAIL to hide it. So in my opinion, Comey was getting COVER from Clinesmith when he asked for VALIDATION on Carter Page having no relationship to the CIA.
Clinesmith GAVE Comey that cover by doctoring the email.
So GREAT – there has to be some smoking gun where Comey or McCabe or SOMEBODY told Clinesmith what to do – to doctor the email – RIIIIIIIGHT?
WRONG! There may be, but we don’t know yet.
OK, then. Is it the opposite? Clinesmith did it all by himself – right? End of the line? One guy caused all this damage by doctoring an email?
ALSO WRONG! It may be, but we don’t know yet.
I want to know more about what DOJ is holding here.
I am now asking that all discussion of “YAY” or “NAY” on Sundance be kept on THAT THREAD.
You want to fight about whether you trust Sundance? Keep it on that thread. I do NOT want ANY of that stuff on this thread, and that includes ME responding to you. I will not delete your post and leave mine – I will delete MY response as I realize what I’m responding to, then your post.
We are ONLY going to be talking about Sundance’s new assertions and evidence PER SE and what we think about them. Not “in general” – very specifically. Fighting over Sundance as a source will be ejected from this thread WITH PREJUDICE. That includes waffly “not so sure about this” questioning of the evidence, as a sneaky way to bring “anti-Sundance Eeyorism” [oh, I love the KARMA on that one] into the discussion. GOT LOGIC? Good. We like LOGICAL THINKING because we’re Q followers.
Advice? LURK if you can’t zip your fly and restrain from pissing on SD. Since I can’t BAN FROM THREADS, I’ll just DELETE YOUR POSTS.
Understood? Good.
We have free speech – and some of it is over THERE so that those of us who want to actually discuss the evidence can do so here.
This is like a Trump rally. We have a demonstration zone which has just as big a digital footprint as this one – it’s just OVER THERE.
HERE WE GO.
Sundance is now showing more strongly his theory that the Mueller SC, really the Weissmann SC, is central to the coup. This is TODAY’S TWITTER TIMELINE.
It’s FEAR. Weissmann is starting to panic that all will discover the true agenda of HIS special counsel operation. What they did is stunning!! https://t.co/BbXeagoYXM
Weissmann took the investigative file from WFO SSA Dugan and removed the content damaging to their position on the FISA application (the 2017 criminal leak via Wolfe). Weissmann then tipped-off the targets and used the SC authorities to cover up the entire SSCI operation. https://t.co/ATP7LAsSaj
This is why when the SC released the FISA application on July 21, 2018, (FOIA guise), they actually released the SSA Dugan March 17, 2017, copy of the app.
The SC then added the two April and June copies to fulfill the full production; and expected no-one would notice. https://t.co/3DC2Px6L8v
It's a really simple issue to prove. If Main Justice did not have Dugan's WFO investigative file they wouldn't have been able to release his exact equity. Dugan was smart, going to FISC that's why the March 17th stamp was needed. It proved provenance and chain of custody. https://t.co/0uj5m3jkFB
Warner/Waldman texts were part of Dugan's file; putting him in the "skif" at 4:02pm on March 17, 2017 w/Wolfe. Weissmann tipped-off Warner, provided time for false story, then provided texts. Evidence removed.
Despite physical surveillance (outlining contacts), Dugan couldn't get warrant on Vice-chair of SSCI w/out tipping off crew. So, what did he do,… he went the backdoor and gained same info from Waldman's side of conversation. Look at texts, they are from Waldman's side. https://t.co/dxMefjpUxv
And….. Don't forget…. Waldman was representing (pro bono) Julian Assange. Which is how the SC kept the other dangerous issue under wraps. Their investigation was predicated on the DNC leak attributed to Russia. Assange was a threat to that predicate. https://t.co/GVw38wKsPt
I have exhausted myself on the Senate only to accept they are inherently adverse to the evidence because it is evidence of *their* corrupt activity. There will be NOTHING of value for justice *EVER* to come out of the Senate. They are in on it, writ large. ALL OF THEM. https://t.co/g4SdEtDjzw
What do you think? I have some thoughts here, and I want to see if anybody ELSE is thinking what I am. What I am thinking is something I suspected WEEKS AGO, based on several Sundance assertions that seemed just a bit “too knowing”. These tweets revived that suspicion.
I want to see if any of YOU ALL are thinking the same thing.
.@TheLastRefuge2 I think the only thing AG Barr might be doing is to pre-empt your announcement tomorrow, pacify Pres Trump for a few days because he called Barr out on Bartiromo and to keep stalling stalling on the spygate coup. https://t.co/xho70RaTUs
The Last REfuge is a psy-op planted in 2011 and timed to detonate in 2020. We has powers of foresight so advanced it makes even Q people quiver in fear.
"statistically anomalous uptick" I must ask actuary what them big wordz meanz. Very smart fella below haz it all figured. https://t.co/CVQf5HZQt5
Today, our U.S. Attorney Mark Klaasen hosted AG Barr in Cheyenne, Wyoming to meet with the DOJ Wyoming team and local law enforcement. pic.twitter.com/lhUTQuUVML
This thread is meant to contain most of the fighting over Sundance’s upcoming revelations about DOJ, and whatever AG. Bill Barr seems to be doing to preempt those revelations.
We will spawn more threads as needed over the next few days.
This [Q-3]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid
OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.
Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.
I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!!
I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.
Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.
TheseTruths
I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!
"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF
SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.
NOW – here is my problem.
Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.
So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.
keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
on The U Tree
I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.
Thanks!
The LancetGateEffect
Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.
This is the article that brought it to my attention:
I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.
Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….
… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….
That was me.
DP, Ginger, and others.
Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go
AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL….. [start of a long comment]
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…
HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.
So what say you?
Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?
THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.
We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.
For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.
I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.
In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.
If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.
There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.
Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.
Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.
If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.
So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.
Ivermectin & COVID-19
Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.
I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.
If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.
This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.
The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!
Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.
What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?
“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.
Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:
less vents
more steroids
better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
more oxygen earlier
better testing, all kinds
As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.
Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.
It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.
It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.
The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.
If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.
Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.
On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic
Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.
If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.
SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.
Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.
A match made in HELL.
Anyway – here is the deal.
We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.
don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation
In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.
By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.
Masks OFF
The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.
I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.
Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.
Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.
I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.
This [(10*Q) + 7]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY where Q = 0 open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
The following is an excerpt from the brief being filed today in Maryland state court in Attkisson v. Rosenstein and others for the government computer intrusions.
Plaintiff Sharyl Attkisson, an award-winning journalist—along with her husband and child—have tried for years to pursue their significant and credible claims of illegal government surveillance, but the U.S. Government has stonewalled them at every turn. Yet, despite the Government’s repeated efforts to obfuscate and delay, the Attkissons detailed in their Complaint:
Expert forensic computer analysis of the Attkissons’ computers, revealing that an unauthorized entity or entities gained remote access to the Attkissons’ computers for a prolonged period, and that one of the pathways by which the intrusions occurred were IP addresses controlled by the U.S. Government.
Confirmation, via testimony, that the U.S. Government controlled the IP addresses identified in the Attkissions’ computers.
The degree to which senior figures in the Department of Justice were concerned about, and took steps to block, Sharyl Attkisson’s reporting, as well as her use of confidential governmental sources;
Many documented instances of abnormal, otherwise unexplained behavior of the Attkissons’ computer systems and devices.
But then it gets interesting…..
Plaintiffs’ investigator has interviewed Ryan White, a Government whistleblower (and named Defendant). During this interview, White made the following significant assertions:
White worked with defendants Sean Bridges (who was then a Secret Service agent) and the FBI’s Shawn Henry in Baltimore and reported directly to defendant Rod Rosenstein.
White and Agent Bridges were ordered to conduct various clandestine operations involving hacking computer systems, servers, emails, and phones.
White and Agent Bridges were directly involved in the illegal surveillance of the Attkissons’ computers and the exfiltration of data.
The rogue order to target the Attkissons came directly from Agent Henry and Rosenstein.
Later, Agent Bridges and another federal agent were convicted of corrupt acts for their involvement in the Government’s notorious Silk Road Task Force, also based in Baltimore, in which corruption by federal agents was uncovered, resulting in the convictions of Bridges and another federal agent.
As far as I can tell, the surveillance of journalists at that point (2009-2012) was coming from Obama and ERIC HOLDER. So if Rosey was working Holder’s game under Obama, this fits in perfectly with everything I know about DOJ intentions and actions during the first 2 years of the Trump White House, when Rosey and Holder’s lieutenant Tashina Gauhar were running the show.
Rosey sure looks like a black hat to me. But I’m listening. If Rosey was an informant, then WHO was he informing under Obama and Mueller, as Mueller was clearly allowing spying on Attkisson, and planting of incriminating documents on her laptop?
But let’s move on, since Rosey’s guilt or innocence may be reflected in any upcoming indictments…..
Trump’s tweet on the getaway is wonderful. Sundance clearly SAVED it, lest it disappear. Or DID IT ALREADY? I cannot find it.
ANYWHO – indictments are very likely coming SOON.
This is worth a listen (in thread). I take it as a tip that there will be some predictable turbulence when indictments hit, and security has already prepared for it. Seatbelts. https://t.co/pUx0Xui5K3pic.twitter.com/0B2ZAGrCBw
Scientifically, this is exactly where I was when Didier Raoult (or Raoult Didier – whatever his name is) published his first “pay dirt” data with demonstrable dose-related antiviral activity in ALL test subjects. His numbers can be off by a factor of 50%, and it’s still huge and can’t be explained away as anything but SOME kind of real effect.
Numbers like these are either massive fraud or pay dirt. And they could be real nuggets. With a solid, known antiviral explanation, it’s almost certainly REAL.
Now – let’s take a look at a country a bit off the commonly argued map. You don’t hear a lot about COVID-19 in Turkey. Here’s why.
The situation isn’t done in Turkey – they are teetering very close to lockdowns. Turkey is trying the same thing as Trump – avoiding lockdowns. A lot of information on how hard that has been, in this article.
Scott Adams found Turkey’s claimed near-100% effectiveness of contact tracing a bit unbelievable, and I have to agree – it’s not easy to either prove or disprove such a claim, but in a country like Turkey, it should be nearly impossible to contact everybody catching the disease.
Who believes Turkey has an extensive testing/tracing network that is making a difference? https://t.co/HMvMWsSekb
NEVERTHELESS, those people who DO get caught by contact tracing ARE very likely to live, if they are getting HCQ as early as possible. See how that works? The more the tracers catch, the more contacts they find, the more contacted contacts are WAITING FOR SYMPTOMS with their HCQ in hand, and the more likely the HCQ is going to work. Clearly, [HCQ + contact tracing] makes sense. BUT here is the deal. People have to TRUST the government behind it.
Not exactly easy in New York.
Moving on, HERE is the biggie. I call it the “LancetGate Effect”.
Yes, that would be THE Steven Hatfill, falsely accused by Mueller in the 2001 anthrax attacks.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
Peter Navarro – THE KILLER – tweeted the article.
Dr. Steven Hatfill's clutch hit. Best take down of anti-Trump Hydroxy Hysteria media this side of @ScottAdamsSays CNN might be killing tens of thousands. https://t.co/b4ThfIaQvG
And then I introduced HIM to something even more shocking.
There was a LancetGate Effect in The United States.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
Now – I’m not going to show you this – you have to dig to find – but in the wake of my comments, Daughn came in for an assist, and we were then both engaged by HCQ opponents. One kept emphasizing that FDA head Hahn, who was in charge when the EUA was rescinded, is a Trump appointee – like this was going to bother me somehow.
NO. TRUTH IS TRUTH.
I thought this was clearly an attempt to generate “Alinsky fears” – specifically POLITICS BEFORE SCIENCE, because it might hurt Trump or Hahn, as a way of shutting me up.
NONSENSE!
Hahn, as I tried to explain, has his own mind. I LIKE THAT. It’s like the way things used to be. I believe that Trump hired him because Hahn is a strong believer in FAST TRACKING new drugs, like Trump is. A believer in TRUMP TIME. Hahn’s opinion on HCQ, wrong as it turns out to be, is secondary. This is WAR, people make mistakes, people die. Generals and Colonels live with this horrible responsibility, and WE SOLDIERS SUPPORT THEM.
BUCK UP, WORLD. We do our best, we trust in God, but we do NOT lie and cover up when we understand error. People have been all over the place on HCQ, but when the chips come in STRONGLY that it works, and even more so that banning it is a PROVABLE mistake, we have to consider CHANGING COURSE.
One way to do that would be to listen to Dr. Zelenko and have a NEW EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for HCQ – this time without Rick Bright’s toxic “hospitals only” poison pill attached.
YES! We can RECOVER from the LancetGate blunder by doing what Zelenko suggests.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
HCQ Insights
One way to make Zelenko’s new EUA actually happen would be to INCLUDE NEW DRUGS – albeit handled DIFFERENTLY from HCQ, as part of the EUA.
I call this the “EUA EUA“.
“Early Use of Antivirals Emergency Use Authorization”
The way this would work is to grant flexibility to doctors WORKING WITH pharmaceutical companies and state governments to try new antivirals early in the disease process upon confirmed diagnosis. HCQ is well-tested, and as the “standard of this EUA”, it becomes the GOLD STANDARD of safety and efficacy for other newer drugs to beat, using whatever delivery tricks and codrugs make these other drugs work best. Those drugs need every advantage we can find for them, just like South Korea (zinc), Didier Rauout (azithromycin), and Zelenko (zinc + azithromycin, very early) found for HCQ.
One of my rationales here is that we can reduce or even remove toxicity from the equation by low-dosing a lot of these drugs, since EARLY use can mean less drug needed for the more toxic ones. In some ways, what I am doing here is learning from sabotage studies of HCQ, which used massive and toxic doses LATE. We are doing the opposite – trying to “help” alternatives to HCQ by giving THEM access to patients at the same time when HCQ works best. Some – maybe even most patients may still opt for HCQ, but others may welcome new drugs like EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, the latter of which may prove to be effective not just late, but early as well.
The point is, get EVERYBODY early, so we remove the incentive to let patients deteriorate, which is now “imposed” on drugs which need desperate patients for “right to try”. The EUA, in essence, would EXPAND right to try to early or even asymptomatic patients – not just patients at death’s door.
The EUA EUA *removes* any incentive to delay treatment, or to bash HCQ, but at the same time, it doesn’t blockade new drugs from access to patients at the time when THEY might be very effective, too, which our current system, weirdly, does.
WIN, WIN, WIN.
#LancetGate had a terrible price! #HCQ bans and discouragements KILL.
I think a new EUA that included both #HCQ *and* other drugs in the pipeline having antiviral actions, FOR EARLY USE (badly needed for antivirals) is the big life-saver, that would get buy-in from Big Pharma. pic.twitter.com/Dt3Fb5NXUZ
This will not only help absolve @US_FDA on the #LancetGate-effect downside of rescinding the prior EUA (by compensating quickly) – it will provide HCQ as an automatic standard to beat with new agents in compassionate horse-races EARLY. Basically moves up "right to try".
The fundamental problem we're ALL facing is what @zev_dr saw first – antivirals need to be early, but we perpetually move risks LATE in treatment (for good reasons). But I believe super-early and *LOW DOSE* may be KEY to next-gen agents AND antiviral therapies, avoiding tox.
I'm very excited about EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, with the latter now in use LATE. Opening up early treatment and letting HCQ be the punching bag old coach standard will breed champions. pic.twitter.com/MWGHYWG8eh
NOW – about HCQ alleged toxicity. Here is an AR-15 of logic to take down trolls.
It’s important to address the cardiac toxicity issue head on, because that “problem” is really a deflection by people who “pretend not to know” how minor the problem really is, ESPECIALLY compared to LIVES SAVED.
This is JUST AS TRUE as it was with MALARIA.
Yup. MAMET PRINCIPLE. And behind that – AUBERGINE’S RAZOR.
Systematic review of cardiac complications attributed to routine hydroxychloroquine use…
From the years 1963-2017:
– Only 50 events of cardiac toxicity (since 1963!) – Total of 12 deaths – Median patient had been taking HCQ daily for 8 YEARShttps://t.co/5hgnw6qccH
Now – here is one reason I think that NON-VACCINATION AND TREATMENT is an important option.
One of the primary reasons to use HCQ instead of a vaccine, is the likelihood that coronavirus vaccines will cause immune overreaction TO infection by the disease, instead of actual protection FROM infection.
This is a nice article which introduces you to Dr. Peter Hotez, vaccine maker, vaccine advocate, but also vaccine truth-teller on immune enhancement. Hotez is somebody very difficult for the MSM to downplay and crush. At least, SO FAR.
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.
“We just could not generate much interest,” a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.
March 5, 2020, 4:30 AM EST / Updated March 8, 2020, 4:23 PM EDT
There will be more talk about immune enhancement later. Be prepared. It’s a very “sciencey” argument AGAINST mandatory vaccination. It is a much more EFFECTIVE argument than “I don’t trust Bill Gates” – even though the latter is a HUGE motivator for most people.
And now THIS.
Time To Go To WAR Over Hydroxychloroquine
What are we up against?
Something that runs us over if we DON’T put it down.
Author note: please tell me if the docs are posting for you. They aren’t for me and I need to pull the chicken out of the oven.
Oh, my, the last one of these was in late May. Well, thanks to today’s drop(s) from various places, we have new DECLAS documents courtesy of the Judiciary Committee of the United States Senate:
July 17, 2020
WASHINGTON – Today, as part of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s ongoing investigation into the Crossfire Hurricane investigation and related FISA abuses, Chairman Lindsey Graham (R- South Carolina) released two recently declassified documents that significantly undercut the reliability of the Steele dossier and the accuracy and reliability of many of the factual assertions in the Carter Page FISA applications.
“I’m very pleased the investigation in the Senate Judiciary Committee has been able to secure the declassification of these important documents,” said Chairman Graham. “I want to thank Attorney General Barr for releasing these documents and allowing the American People to judge for themselves.
“What have we learned from the release of these two documents by the Department of Justice? Number one, it is clear to me that the memo regarding the FBI interview of the primary sub-source in January 2017 should have required the system to stop and reevaluate the case against Mr. Page.
“Most importantly after this interview of the sub-source and the subsequent memo detailing the contents of the interview, it was a miscarriage of justice for the FBI and the Department of Justice to continue to seek a FISA warrant against Carter Page in April and June of 2017.
“The dossier was a critical document to justify a FISA warrant against Mr. Page and this DOJ memo clearly indicates that the reliability of the dossier was completely destroyed after the interview with the primary sub-source in January 2017. Those who knew or should have known of this development and continued to pursue a FISA warrant against Mr. Page anyway are in deep legal jeopardy in my view.
“Secondly, the comments of Peter Strzok regarding the February 14 New York Times article are devastating in that they are an admission that there was no reliable evidence that anyone from the Trump Campaign was working with Russian Intelligence Agencies in any form.
“The statements by Mr. Strzok question the entire premise of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump Campaign and make it even more outrageous that the Mueller team continued this investigation for almost two and a half years. Moreover, the statements by Strzok raise troubling questions as to whether the FBI was impermissibly unmasking and analyzing intelligence gathered on U.S. persons.
“These documents, which I have long sought, tell a damning story for anyone who’s interested in trying to find the truth behind the corrupt nature of the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign in 2016 and beyond.”
Thanks to acting Director of National Intelligence, Richard Grenell, a number of previously withheld behind closed doors questioning transcripts are now available for public viewing. As with many deposition type documents, they can be long, but hopefully will be informative. Here’s the list with live links.
The United States Intelligence Community (IC), at the bipartisan request of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), reviewed 53 transcripts for classification. The IC made appropriate redactions, lowering the classification level of all 53 transcripts to UNCLASSIFIED. Each transcript can be accessed by clicking on the names below.
From the Judiciary Committee webpage as of April 29, 2020:
The Senate Judiciary Committee released an additional declassified transcript between George Papadopoulos and an FBI confidential human source (declassified on April 24, 2020). (document)
As of the evening of April 16, 2020, the Senate Judiciary Committee has begun declassifying the documents that we’ve all been waiting for: The FISA warrant applications used to spy on members of the 2016 Trump Campaign for president.
Confidential human source transcripts related to the Crossfire Hurricane operation
Transcript of George Papadopoulos and FBI Confidential Human Source (declassified March 13, 2020) (document)
Transcript of George Papadopoulos and FBI Confidential Human Source (declassified April 1, 2020) (document)
FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page and Three Subsequent Renewals
FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page (document)
FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page, Renewal One (document)
FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page, Renewal Two (document)
FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page, Renewal Three (document)
A July 2018 letter from DOJ to the FISA court alerting the court to some of the significant errors and omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications (letter)
The links are live to the documents that have been declassified. WARNING: most of them are REALLY long, as in over 80 pages, so for those whose bedtime reading is not legal documents, this thread will serve as a place to gather what the anons have been finding and sharing online in addition to what any of us find.
Please, post any findings, Tweets, images, emails, etc., found in the space below, and they will be added to future posts as the documents are made public.
As this declas effort is new, and will likely be dribbled out for proper public digestion, there will be new posts regularly sharing updates. It all depends on the volume of information, and the intensity as to whether or not this will recur daily, weekly, or as it happens.
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AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
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Second CCP
If you’re familiar with the Isaac Asimov “Foundation” series, then you are familiar with the grand plot device of “The Foundation”, which is later rebooted by the exciting idea of a hidden “Second Foundation”.
Here, I steal the meme, and apply it to all of China’s slightly hidden enablers, by calling out what they are doing on China’s behalf to HELP CHINA SAVE THEIR ASSES:
Control of Coronavirus Perspective (CCP)
The corona magnification hoax was their BIG, desperate info-nuke to “get Trump”. Very easy to see NOW, but most of us are not as SOLID as we should be, in getting a TRUE perspective on COVID-19.
The fact is, the left is doing everything it can to PSY-OP you on not only COVID-19, but coronaviruses in general. They are working very hard to keep both individuals and society focused on a MYTH – not REALITY.
TWO resources will help get rid of THEIR CONTROL of YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
RESET YOUR CORONAVIRUS PERSPECTIVE
Here is the first.
To begin countering the MIND-FRACK that the Soviet American media, Soviet Deep State, China, Controlled Industry, and Soviet Dems have done on you, regarding the “novel [HOW MUCH?] coronavirus”, it helps to just consider some other [MORE FAMILIAR] possibilities, so that you can see what makes more sense – a new and very Hollywood story, or what we knew before about coronaviruses.
Begin here, with the article by Beda M. Stadtler (image above) which swept social media:
The immune response to the virus is stronger than everyone thought
Back to Reason Jul 1 · 12 min read
The original article was published in the Swiss magazine Weltwoche (World Week) on June 10th. The author, Beda M Stadler is the former director of the Institute for Immunology at the University of Bern, a biologist and professor emeritus. Stadler is an important medical professional in Switzerland, he also likes to use provoking language, which should not deter you from the extremely important points he makes.
This article is about Switzerland and it does not suggest that the situation is exactly the same globally. I am advocating for local measures according to locale situations. And I advocate for looking at real data rather than abstract models. I also suggest to read to the end, because Stadler makes crucial points about testing for Sars-CoV-2.
Read the article that follows. It seems SHOCKINGLY REASONABLE. It is from a person who is a former director of an institute of immunology.
Medium, which censors stuff like this all the time, would have censored this if they COULD HAVE. The problem is that Beda Stadtler is too credentialed, and nobody in science is willing to say he’s wrong and likely get their ass handed to them.
So instead, Medium adds THIS at the top, in small letters:
Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov.
Just read the article. You will start to see several important points about IMMUNITY in general, and coronaviruses in particular. You will start to see COVID-19 as YET ANOTHER WEAK CORONAVIRUS.
You will start to see that Americans ARE protected from the virus, NATURALLY, and that is why there are so many “asymptomatic” cases, weak cases, and people who “seem immune” because [DRUM ROLL] THEY ARE IMMUNE – through exposure to similar, related coronaviruses earlier in life.
THEN watch the YouTube video I showcased earlier, by Dr. Kelly Victory, MD.
https://youtu.be/kFD5sQjIyGg
This video may or may not get taken down by the Wojcicki sisters. Dr. Victory is actually a professional disaster adviser of businesses, on topics including pandemics. It is difficult if not impossible to question what she says. It doesn’t matter, however, since this video will show up somewhere else if it is taken down.
This doctor is a voice of reason and VACCINE REALISM. She begins to frame the most fundamental questions about vaccines, and takes us BACK to medicine’s understanding of vaccines BEFORE THE MEDIA BEGAN TO PSY-OP US ON THEM.
She is right there with Trump. Why are our children being protected from IMMUNITY THEY NEED, and CAN GET SAFELY RIGHT NOW?
The media and Democrats seem obsessed with making sure children DON’T GAIN NATURAL IMMUNITY.
WHY? Are Democrats, as they always do, trying to CREATE A CONTROLLING PROBLEM? Are they trying to create a useful problem (see “global warming” and then “climate change”) using BAD FINANCIAL INCENTIVES? Is VACCINDRA the next SOLYNDRA?
From here, we examine a POWERFUL MEME.
What If COVID-19 Is “Just Another Coronavirus”?
Let’s start here, with an amazing meme that will blow your mind.
I want you to stop and think about this. PRIORITIES. Why are we letting the MEDIA set them?
This “shocking” fact about COVID-19 is not unreasonable, because (1) real numbers support it, and (2) this is the reality of the normal endemic weak coronaviruses, and why “coronavirus” was not a household name before the China-Democrat COVID psy-op. FLU was a much more targeted target because it simply IS a more important target.
One of the PRIOR coronas came from bats, most likely (2 of them came from mammals, and 2 from birds, IIRC). But what we have with COVID-19 is almost certainly a LAB-MEDIATED SPECIES JUMP.
Remember – it really IS the “China Virus”. Well, other than THIS ONE.
Now – let me repeat that meme. INTERNALIZE IT.
Thanks to gudthots for posting this BRILLIANT meme, along with the following excellent comment about things michaelh said:
gudthots July 9, 2020 at 01:28 Michael pointed out that vaccines for non-lethal illnesses are not prioritized. I think that is because vaccines can be lethal and you don’t want a cure that’s worse than the disease.
If we DID prioritize flu and coronavirus, and if flu (voluntary vaccine) is HIGHER priority than coronavirus, then why would we want a mandatory vaccine for coronavirus?
You see? It all falls apart, once you see this.
Does “Nursing Home Killer Cuomo” now make sense? The whole plot to use MEDICAL SOCIALISM to enact SOCIALISM depended on ENOUGH DEATHS.
What Does Bill Gates Want?
Finally, let’s look BACK at Bill Gates from the vantage point of “OMG – we have another coronavirus, and we are even experiencing cross-over immunity, as we should have expected. Do we really need a vaccine?”
Here are two things to understand.
Bill Gates is now studying Karl Rove and David Axelrod
Yes, that is an ugly thought. “Win for the UniParty. Don’t simply do the right thing.”
Remember when SCHIFFTY SCHIFF asked for social media to “do something about vaccine misinformation”? That turned out to be CODE for “kick Natural News and InfoWars off social media”.
Start listening to the video around 3:30 to get Gates’ full thought. He is CONCERNED that low American compliance with the MASKS will lead to low compliance with the VACCINE. He wants social media to FIX THIS #### NOW.
None of these people is interested in natural immunity – EVEN if natural immunity is MORE EFFECTIVE and BETTER FOR HUMANITY.
NOW – it’s VERY interesting to hear Bill Gates, assisted by his shill interviewer, go after the “conspiracy” theories, which [SHOCKED FACE] even include HIM, sometimes!!! OY, VEY!!!
Seriously, it’s good for a laugh. Just listen from the beginning.
Wolf’s Bottom Line
The fact is, THEY are pushing an UNREALITY about coronaviruses in general, and COVID-19 in particular.
Masks are not the real issue. They are a PROXY.
The real fight is MANDATORY RISKY AND INFERIOR VACCINATION for common diseases that are better treated and prevented through natural immunity gained early in life.
THIS MEME.
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“Why is isolation and vaccination of the young a good idea, when immunity to the real disease is almost without a doubt stronger and safer?”
“If COVID-19 is as much like known coronaviruses as it appears, and we are observing crossover immunity already, and crossover antibody reaction in diagnosis, and we know that coronavirus vaccines are all potentially risky with regard to immune enhancement, then why are we not protecting our children against both disease risks and vaccine / no-vaccine risks by letting them gain immunity NOW, when it is safest?”
