“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
The question of FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, the indictment of whom was POSSIBLY announced by AG William Barr in response to Sundance’s announcement of an imminent release about DOJ, is very interesting.
Clinesmith is the guy who altered an email about Carter Page, hiding that Page was a CIA source, and thus allowed the BAD Carter Page FISA to continue to be used against Trump.
Is Clinesmith cooperating? How MUCH is he cooperating? People are speculating like crazy. A lot of people are taking Barr’s “gib” as a sign that BIG FISH ARE GONNA BE IN THE FRYIN’ PAN! Clinesmith has to be cooperating! He’s SINGING!!!
Really? “Trey Gowdy really?” Are we sure this isn’t more “Tick Tock Club”?
Remember James Wolfe? He THREATENED to give up a bunch of people in the Senate. Sure seems very convenient that DOJ attorney Jussie K. Liu made that all go away with a wrist-slap for lying to the FBI.
Yeah, but now it’s DURHAM. And Durham is a “straight shooter”!
OK, so you say Sundance says Durham’s not real, yada yada yada, but throw that all aside – Clinesmith is TALKING. RIGHT?
Set aside the possibility – which I think is very real – that MKULTRA techniques may have been used on Clinesmith, to insure he would “come through” on “Carter Page not a source”. Totally subconscious. He won’t remember a thing. Those techniques can also interfere with investigation. “Missing time.” Gaps in memory. There is some possibility that these techniques can be REVERSED, but SET THAT ASIDE, TOO.
We simply need to know two things:
is Clinesmith giving up useful evidence which will get more coupsters?
is OTHER evidence accumulating that will get more coupsters?
If you read the article, you will see that this reasoning is based on the fact that Carter Page is KNOWN to have sent a letter to Comey, telling him that he had worked for the CIA. Page copied a WITNESS on it, so this is a KNOWN FACT.
In my opinion, TGP is overstating the case by ASSUMING that Comey believed that letter. Well, whether or not Comey believed he letter, we know that FBI top brass was RE-ASKING the lowers about Carter Page’s CIA status when Clinesmith DOCTORED THE EMAIL to hide it. So in my opinion, Comey was getting COVER from Clinesmith when he asked for VALIDATION on Carter Page having no relationship to the CIA.
Clinesmith GAVE Comey that cover by doctoring the email.
So GREAT – there has to be some smoking gun where Comey or McCabe or SOMEBODY told Clinesmith what to do – to doctor the email – RIIIIIIIGHT?
WRONG! There may be, but we don’t know yet.
OK, then. Is it the opposite? Clinesmith did it all by himself – right? End of the line? One guy caused all this damage by doctoring an email?
ALSO WRONG! It may be, but we don’t know yet.
I want to know more about what DOJ is holding here.
Cover image: Winslow Homer, “Snap the Whip,” 1872, oil on canvas, Butler Institute of American Art, Youngstown, Ohio.
Full Image:
I should save this for Thursday, but what the heck.
Some mood music:
And a reminder to take the pledge:
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I am now asking that all discussion of “YAY” or “NAY” on Sundance be kept on THAT THREAD.
You want to fight about whether you trust Sundance? Keep it on that thread. I do NOT want ANY of that stuff on this thread, and that includes ME responding to you. I will not delete your post and leave mine – I will delete MY response as I realize what I’m responding to, then your post.
We are ONLY going to be talking about Sundance’s new assertions and evidence PER SE and what we think about them. Not “in general” – very specifically. Fighting over Sundance as a source will be ejected from this thread WITH PREJUDICE. That includes waffly “not so sure about this” questioning of the evidence, as a sneaky way to bring “anti-Sundance Eeyorism” [oh, I love the KARMA on that one] into the discussion. GOT LOGIC? Good. We like LOGICAL THINKING because we’re Q followers.
Advice? LURK if you can’t zip your fly and restrain from pissing on SD. Since I can’t BAN FROM THREADS, I’ll just DELETE YOUR POSTS.
Understood? Good.
We have free speech – and some of it is over THERE so that those of us who want to actually discuss the evidence can do so here.
This is like a Trump rally. We have a demonstration zone which has just as big a digital footprint as this one – it’s just OVER THERE.
HERE WE GO.
Sundance is now showing more strongly his theory that the Mueller SC, really the Weissmann SC, is central to the coup. This is TODAY’S TWITTER TIMELINE.
It’s FEAR. Weissmann is starting to panic that all will discover the true agenda of HIS special counsel operation. What they did is stunning!! https://t.co/BbXeagoYXM
Weissmann took the investigative file from WFO SSA Dugan and removed the content damaging to their position on the FISA application (the 2017 criminal leak via Wolfe). Weissmann then tipped-off the targets and used the SC authorities to cover up the entire SSCI operation. https://t.co/ATP7LAsSaj
This is why when the SC released the FISA application on July 21, 2018, (FOIA guise), they actually released the SSA Dugan March 17, 2017, copy of the app.
The SC then added the two April and June copies to fulfill the full production; and expected no-one would notice. https://t.co/3DC2Px6L8v
It's a really simple issue to prove. If Main Justice did not have Dugan's WFO investigative file they wouldn't have been able to release his exact equity. Dugan was smart, going to FISC that's why the March 17th stamp was needed. It proved provenance and chain of custody. https://t.co/0uj5m3jkFB
Warner/Waldman texts were part of Dugan's file; putting him in the "skif" at 4:02pm on March 17, 2017 w/Wolfe. Weissmann tipped-off Warner, provided time for false story, then provided texts. Evidence removed.
Despite physical surveillance (outlining contacts), Dugan couldn't get warrant on Vice-chair of SSCI w/out tipping off crew. So, what did he do,… he went the backdoor and gained same info from Waldman's side of conversation. Look at texts, they are from Waldman's side. https://t.co/dxMefjpUxv
And….. Don't forget…. Waldman was representing (pro bono) Julian Assange. Which is how the SC kept the other dangerous issue under wraps. Their investigation was predicated on the DNC leak attributed to Russia. Assange was a threat to that predicate. https://t.co/GVw38wKsPt
I have exhausted myself on the Senate only to accept they are inherently adverse to the evidence because it is evidence of *their* corrupt activity. There will be NOTHING of value for justice *EVER* to come out of the Senate. They are in on it, writ large. ALL OF THEM. https://t.co/g4SdEtDjzw
What do you think? I have some thoughts here, and I want to see if anybody ELSE is thinking what I am. What I am thinking is something I suspected WEEKS AGO, based on several Sundance assertions that seemed just a bit “too knowing”. These tweets revived that suspicion.
I want to see if any of YOU ALL are thinking the same thing.
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Yes, it’s Monday…again.
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For your listening enjoyment, I offer this composition from AShamaluevMusic, titled ‘Cinematic Piano Ambient’:
Then He [God] said [to Elijah], “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a delicate whispering voice.
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AND WHAT TIME IS IT? TIME TO DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!
Our movement is about replacing a failed and CORRUPT political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. ~ Candidate Donald J. Trump
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On this day and every day –
God is in Control . . . and His Grace is Sufficient, so . . . Keep Looking Up
Hopefully, every Sunday, you can find something here that will build you up a little . . . give you a smile . . . and add some joy or peace, very much needed in all our lives.
“This day is holy to the Lord your God; do not mourn nor weep.” . . . “Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet, and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not sorrow, for the joy of the Lord is your strength.”
GOD ANSWERED JOB FROM A WHIRLWIND, AND
MT SINAI QUAKED GREATLY WITH GOD ON IT, AND
GOD LED THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FROM EGYPT IN A PILLAR OF FIRE
GOD SPEAKS AS THUNDER
BUT, ALSO
Does God speak in a gentle, quiet voice?
There is only one place in Scripture where God is said to speak in a “still small voice,” and it was to Elijah after his dramatic victory over the prophets of Baal (1 Kings 18:20-40; 19:12). Told that Jezebel, the wife of Ahab, king of Israel, was seeking kill him, Elijah ran into the wilderness and collapsed in exhaustion. God sent an angel with food and water to strengthen him, told him to rest, and then sent him to Horeb.
In a cave there, Elijah voices his complaint that all of God’s prophets had been killed by Jezebel and he alone had survived.
God instructed him to stand on the mountain in His presence. Then the Lord sent a mighty wind which broke the rocks in pieces; then He sent an earthquake and a fire, but His voice was in none of them. After all that, the Lord spoke to Elijah in the still small voice, or “gentle whisper.”
The point of God speaking in the still small voice was to show Elijah that the work of God need not always be accompanied by dramatic revelation or manifestations. Divine silence does not necessarily mean divine inactivity. Zechariah 4:6 tells us that God’s work is “not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,” meaning that overt displays of power are not necessary for God to work.
Because He is God, He is not confined to a single manner of communicating with His people. Elsewhere in Scripture, He is said to communicate through a whirlwind (Job 38:1), to announce His presence by an earthquake (Exodus 19:18), and to speak in a voice that sounds like thunder (1 Samuel 2:10; Job 37:2; Psalm 104:7; John 12:29). In Psalm 77:18 His voice is compared to both thunder and a whirlwind. And in Revelation 4:5, we’re told that lightning and thunder proceed from the throne in heaven.
Nor is God limited to natural phenomena when He speaks. All through Scripture, He speaks through His prophets over and over. The common thread in all the prophets is the phrase, “Thus says the Lord.” He speaks through the writers of Scripture.
Most graciously, however, He speaks through His Son, the Lord Jesus. The writer to the Hebrews opens his letter with this truth: “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world” (Hebrews 1:1–2).
The difference between God speaking through the thunder and the whirlwind, than through the still, small voice, can be also considered as showing the difference between the two dispensations of law and grace. The law is a voice of terrible words and was given amidst a tempest of wind, thunder, and lightning, attended by an earthquake (Hebrews 12:18–24), but the gospel is a gentle voice of love, grace, and mercy, of peace, pardon, righteousness, and the free gift of salvation through Christ. The law breaks the rocky hearts of men in pieces, shakes their consciences, and fills their minds with a sense of God’s fiery wrath and the punishment they deserve, and then the gospel speaks gently to them of the peace and pardon available in Christ.
It is less important how God speaks to us than what we do with what He says. God speaks most clearly to us in this day through His Word. The more we learn it, the more ready we will be to recognize His voice when He speaks, and the more likely we are to obey what we hear. https://www.gotquestions.org/still-small-voice.html
Perhaps the Clinesmith thing will turn out–at long last!! to be the fatal crack in the damned dam.
As for that fraudster Sundance…it sounds like he’s delaying now. His bluff has been called. Well, putting it that way assumes Barr is actually paying attention to the pipsqueak.
We need to get going on Justice.
A Reminder Of Today’s Issues.
Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People...Our campaign represents a true existential threat, like they’ve never seen before.
Then-Candidate Donald J. Trump
Needs to happen, soon.
Musical Interlude
When I was in exile in the People’s Respublik of Kalifornia (PRK), I came to associate this bit of music with my beloved home state of Colorado. No obvious reason for it but to at least one friend of mine at the time it made perfect sense.
Lawyer Appeasement Section
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(Hmm a few extras seem to have crept in.)
Coin of The Day
As a coin collector, I have a superpower.
I can make change for a cent. Not that I ever would, not this way.
Yes, there is such a thing as a half cent. And it weighed in at 84 grains (yes, the same grains as bullets and powder), pure copper. Our current cent, before mid-1982 when it suffered the ignominy and debasement of being made out of zinc with a copper coating on it, weighed 48 grains, making the half cent 1.75 times as massive as the old “small cent.”
So if you own two of these, you can break a cent, but you’d be ill-advised unless the cent is a very valuable one.
Before 1857, the United States had what collectors now call “Large Cents” (in contrast to the current “Small Cent”) and these half cents. Many collectors specialize in these coins, especially the large cents, to the point where there’s even a sizeable club (Early American Coppers) dedicated to collecting them. They’ll collect them not only by date, but by variety–every die that was used to make these had minor (and sometimes not so minor) differences, and people have studied those for at least a hundred and fifty years. And if you think those people surely have no lives, how about the ones who specialize in one die pair and try to collect coins from when that die was new versus when it was falling apart and had to be retired?
Collectors consider large cents to be totally different from small cents. A reference book on US coins, which is typically divided into chapters by denomination, will of course distinguish between the silver dollar and the gold dollar as well (and the silver three cent piece, and nickel three cent piece, and the half dime and the copper-nickel “nickel”). But even though large cents and small cents are (er…dammit until 1982) largely made of copper, they get separate chapters.
Half cents are not collected as avidly as large cents, and are thus considerably less expensive even though there are many fewer of them out there. (Should there suddenly be a great interest in them, their values will climb, quite a bit.)
The problem that these coins faced when they were current, was their weight. 168 grains for a large cent is more than midway between the weight of a (silver) quarter and a (silver) half dollar, yet the bugger was only worth one cent. They saw little use outside of major cities, but even that demand was enough that the mint cranked them out, every year between 1793 and 1857, except for 1815 when no copper was available. People didn’t care for the weight, but they really had no alternative.
The half cent was also bulky for its value, but the denomination itself was nearly useless, so the mint made them only sporadically. Consider the time spans of the different designs: Liberty Cap (1793-1797) to Draped Bust (1800-1808) to Classic Head (1809-1836) to Braided Hair (1840-1857). There are gaps between all but two of these designs when no half cents were made. None were made from 1812-1824. And the first ten years of Braided Hair half cents were only proof specimens made for collectors, none for general use.
One technological change partway through the series was that in 1831, the mint started using a new press that would actually put the coin in a collar while being struck, instead of letting the thing squeeze out between the dies while being struck.
The mint only made operating profit by making cents and half cents. Silver and gold coinage was specified to be of full intrinsic value, but the copper in a large cent, at least initially, was worth less than a cent. But as the 19th century proceeded, that profit became smaller and smaller, and eventually it was decided to do something different.
And now for the rest of the story…
Midway through 1857, the small cent was introduced, and the old coppers, both of them, discontinued, but it wasn’t quite the small cent you knew as a child. It was considerably thicker, and was 12% nickel. That nickel additive had the effect of making it much more difficult for the cent to tarnish; even today they are all a light tan color. However the metal was harder, meaning it was more difficult to strike into coins. The cent weighed in at 72 grains (an extra 50% in weight compared to the pre-1982 cents we grew up with), and bore a flying eagle on its face.
They were instantly popular with the public, and ironically coin collecting got a considerable boost (almost nobody collected coins before that date) as nostalgia for the large cent and half cent increased and people decided to save them.
That was changed in 1859 to an Indian head, the reverse wreath changed the next year, and finally, in 1864 the cent was made thinner and the nickel was removed from the alloy, bringing it to its “modern” spec of 48 grams of copper (with a small admixture of zinc and, usually, tin). The cent stayed in that form with two major design changes until 1982. (In 1909 Lincoln replaced the Indian and wheat ears replaced the old wreath on the reverse, and in 1959 the Lincoln Memorial replaced the wheat ears, both events in celebration of major anniversaries of Lincoln’s birth in 1809). There was one exception; in 1943 the cent was made of galvanized steel to save copper for the war effort (unfortunately, it was too easily confused with a dime in that color).
The lowly cent, disregarded and now suffering the shame of being made out of a metal regarded as the very epitome of “cheap,” indeed has a long and honorable past, even including a time when it had a lesser sibling, the half cent.
Standard disclaimer: Neither these, nor any other coins I show here, are ones I own. In some cases (but by no means all or even most of them) I own a similar coin or coins. But even when I do, it’s not as nice as the pictures I find on the internet.
Obligatory PSA/Reminder
Just one more thing, my standard Public Service Announcement. We don’t want to forget this!!!
Remember Hong Kong!!! And remember the tens of millions who died under the “Great Helmsman” Chairman Mao.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=L3tnH4FGbd0%3F
I hope this guy isn’t rotting in the laogai somewhere!
中国是个混蛋 !!! Zhōngguò shì gè hùndàn !!! China is asshoe !!!
For my money the Great Helmsman is Hikaru Sulu (even if the actor is a dingbat).
.@TheLastRefuge2 I think the only thing AG Barr might be doing is to pre-empt your announcement tomorrow, pacify Pres Trump for a few days because he called Barr out on Bartiromo and to keep stalling stalling on the spygate coup. https://t.co/xho70RaTUs
The Last REfuge is a psy-op planted in 2011 and timed to detonate in 2020. We has powers of foresight so advanced it makes even Q people quiver in fear.
"statistically anomalous uptick" I must ask actuary what them big wordz meanz. Very smart fella below haz it all figured. https://t.co/CVQf5HZQt5
Today, our U.S. Attorney Mark Klaasen hosted AG Barr in Cheyenne, Wyoming to meet with the DOJ Wyoming team and local law enforcement. pic.twitter.com/lhUTQuUVML
This thread is meant to contain most of the fighting over Sundance’s upcoming revelations about DOJ, and whatever AG. Bill Barr seems to be doing to preempt those revelations.
We will spawn more threads as needed over the next few days.
This [Q-3]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
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Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid
OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.
Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.
I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!!
I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.
Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.
TheseTruths
I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!
"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF
SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.
NOW – here is my problem.
Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.
So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.
keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
on The U Tree
I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.
Thanks!
The LancetGateEffect
Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.
This is the article that brought it to my attention:
I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.
Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….
… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….
That was me.
DP, Ginger, and others.
Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go
AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL….. [start of a long comment]
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…
HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.
So what say you?
Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?
THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.
We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.
For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.
I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.
In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.
If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.
There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.
Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.
Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.
If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.
So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.
Ivermectin & COVID-19
Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.
I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.
If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.
This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.
The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!
Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.
What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?
“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.
Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:
less vents
more steroids
better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
more oxygen earlier
better testing, all kinds
As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.
Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.
It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.
It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.
The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.
If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.
Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.
On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic
Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.
If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.
SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.
Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.
A match made in HELL.
Anyway – here is the deal.
We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.
don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation
In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.
By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.
Masks OFF
The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.
I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.
Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.
Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.
I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.
Quick author note: many thanks to our host, Wolfm00n, for covering in emergency circumstances. My neck of the woods was sans electricity (we say “power” in these parts, Coothie) about 38 hours following a tree branch falling on the 220 line (it took four splices to put it back together). At this time, the ice maker is productive, and the dogs are no longer panting for being way too hot in the middle of the night. Here’s to a decent night’s sleep…last night I was longing for an old fashioned sleeping porch.
Look out, y’all. I found a new Youtube parody channel:
More of this patriot’s work appears at the bottom of this post. In the meantime…..
All this isolation and idle hands is just inviting…well, this:
Yeah, the virus is smaller than anything coming out of an aerosol can. Some of us actually did pass physics a long time ago. Really, this guy just wanted to play with fire.
Anyway, here is the anti-COVID 19 narrative sing along song.
Bop, bop, bop
Feel free to hold hands, and touch. But, please, wash them afterwards.
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As usual, this is the daily thread, the place to put all information that needs to be out there – Q drops, Q drop decodes, riot information, rumors about MAGA rallies starting up again, news flashes, Chy-na flu updates, fashionable mask photos, satire, memes, and of course cute animal videos.
In the meantime, the short and sweet version of “THE RULES” is here borrowed from Tuesday:
The discourse on this site is to be CIVIL – no name calling, baiting, or threatening others here is allowed. Those who are so inclined may visit Wolf’s other sanctuary, the U-Tree, to slog it out.
This site is a celebration of the natural rights endowed to humans by our Creator as well as those enshrined in the Bill of Rights adopted in the founding documents of the United States of America. Within the limits of law, how we exercise these rights is part of the freedom of our discussion.
Fellow tree dweller Wheatie gave us some good reminders on the basics of civility in political discourse:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Since it is almost the weekend, the reminders are in place to not swing from the chandeliers, wash your hands and face, and be nice to the liberals whether they deserve it or not. Making your bed, OTOH, is optional.
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[56] Yet they tempted, and provoked the most high God: and they kept not his testimonies. [57] And they turned away, and kept not the covenant: even like their fathers they were turned aside as a crooked bow. [58] They provoked him to anger on their hills: and moved him to jealousy with their graven things. [59] God heard, and despised them, and he reduced Israel exceedingly as it were to nothing. [60] And he put away the tabernacle of Silo, his tabernacle where he dwelt among men.
[61] And he delivered their strength into captivity: and their beauty into the hands of the enemy. [62] And he shut up his people under the sword: and he despised his inheritance. [63] Fire consumed their young men: and their maidens were not lamented. [64] Their priests fell by the sword: and their widows did not mourn. [65] And the Lord was awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that hath been surfeited with wine.
[66] And he smote his enemies on the hinder parts: he put them to an everlasting reproach. [67] And he rejected the tabernacle of Joseph: and chose not the tribe of Ephraim: [68] But he chose the tribe of Juda, mount Sion which he loved. [69] And he built his sanctuary as of unicorns, in the land which he founded for ever. [70] And he chose his servant David, and took him from the flocks of sheep: he brought him from following the ewes great with young,
