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Keep it civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
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No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
But we add that there are NUKES. They’re real. Don’t shoot ’em.
Today’s message is to PREPARE.
We borrow this from the “The Clock Is Ticking” thread…..
Things are getting close. You heard the man. PREPARE.
Most preparation, as I have *ALWAYS* stressed, is MENTAL.
Being short-handed is NOT an unrecoverable situation. What is a major problem is lack of situational awareness, including NOT having already gamed out “what you might do”.
Q says prepare. Q says MARCH timeframe. Be ready. We are TWO DAYS into things. Middle of the month is TWO WEEKS AWAY.
My recommendation is to have most PHYSICAL preparations DONE within the next WEEK. That allows one week for mistakes to be remedied.
Finally, my MOST IMPORTANT tip for preparation.
MENTAL PREPARATION.
Be COOL AS ICE. NO HOT ANGER ALLOWED. Super-cool, cold anger, absolute zero, if any. Better still, NO ANGER – JUST LOGIC.
Warm heart, love your fellow humans, but COLD LOGIC. This is how people survive holocausts. Set all fear aside and ACT or DON’T ACT according to COLD, CLEAR LOGIC.
Divine inspiration will fill you with what you need.
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 42c601 No.5468027 Mar 2 2019 15:54:51 (EST) TT.PNG The clock is ticking. If we are merely a so-called conspiracy (FAKE NEWS NARRATIVE), why the daily attacks by the biggest media co’s in the world (attempt to control)? You are the news now. Q
Q Post 2913
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 388cb1 No.5471098 Mar 2 2019 19:30:07 (EST) DXa8-lCVMAEEP3X.jpg Emphasis on mistakes not corrected. “Time to start looking at the other side where real crimes were committed.” – POTUS Time to reveal our insurance policy? TRUTH always wins. Q
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 4fc75b No.5472239 Mar 2 2019 20:22:29 (EST) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOUFsCS7xYE Sometimes it takes a ‘roast’ in order to be able to speak the TRUTH and get away w/ it. [Selected Samples] [13:45] – Deception [14:05] – Pretending not to hate Catholics [14:40] – Haiti Symbolism will be their downfall. QQ !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 4fc75b No.5472239 Mar 2 2019 20:22:29 (EST) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOUFsCS7xYE Sometimes it takes a ‘roast’ in order to be able to speak the TRUTH and get away w/ it. [Selected Samples] [13:45] – Deception [14:05] – Pretending not to hate Catholics [14:40] – Haiti Symbolism will be their downfall. QQ !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 0c924b No.5476370 📁 Mar 3 2019 00:34:58 (EST) Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 0c924b No.5476324 📁 Mar 3 2019 00:31:19 (EST) Di69yNFU8AATSmY.jpg ⬇ https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1101927377691500544📁 RAT BAIT. Stay in the LIGHT. Q Da6eLW6V4AEpmKE.jpg ⬇ 5476324 Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 4fc75b No.5472239 Mar 2 2019 20:22:29 (EST) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOUFsCS7xYE Sometimes it takes a ‘roast’ in order to be able to speak the TRUTH and get away w/ it. [Selected Samples] [13:45] – Deception [14:05] – Pretending not to hate Catholics [14:40] – Haiti Symbolism will be their downfall. QQ !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 4fc75b No.5472239 Mar 2 2019 20:22:29 (EST) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOUFsCS7xYE Sometimes it takes a ‘roast’ in order to be able to speak the TRUTH and get away w/ it. [Selected Samples] [13:45] – Deception [14:05] – Pretending not to hate Catholics [14:40] – Haiti Symbolism will be their downfall. Q
Q Post 2918
Clapper has gone awfully silent since his month long adventure in Australia where he discussed how to cover up both his and Australia’s involvement in spying on me and others. Remember his testimony to Congress. “I never heard of Papadopoulos.” His perjury is going to come back.
DECLAS OF FISA WILL INITIATE THE RESIGNATION/RECUSAL AND/OR REMOVAL OF ROD ROSENSTEIN. DECLAS OF FISA WILL INITIATE THE ‘AWARENESS’ THAT ALL SIGNERS WILL BE [CURRENTLY] UNDER INVESTIGATION. DECLAS OF FISA WILL FACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE WITHOUT ARGUMENT THE US GOVERNMENT, UNDER HUSSEIN, KNOWINGLY, PRESENTED FALSE EVIDENCE TO FISC IN AN EFFORT TO OBTAIN ‘LEGAL’ US INTELLIGENCE ‘UMBRELLA’ SURV OF POTUS [IDEN TARGET] FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF INFLUENCING THE 2016 ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENCY [NOT RUSSIA BUT HUSSEIN/HRC – PROJECTION] + SAFEGUARD AGAINST POSSIBLE LOSS OF POWER [FIREWALLS]. USE OF BACKCHANNEL SURV / SPY INSERTION [BODY 1, 2, AND 5] BY UK/AUS [PRIMARY] ACTIVATED UNDER DIR BRENNAN DIR CLAPPER W/ PDB REGULAR UPDATES + [LIVE STREAMING] WH HUSSEIN NON-OVAL [SITUATION ROOM] COORDINATION. FISA [FULL] BRINGS DOWN THE HOUSE [WH]. Q
So it was known what was happening with DS, but this trip happened in 2016?
>>5476676
POTUS formally announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015. Why did the HRC campaign actively work to push POTUS as the ‘right’ candidate for GOP? Why did the HRC campaign publicly attack POTUS’ opponents? Why did the HRC campaign want POTUS to be the nominee? Did the FAKE NEWS play along? Think pre_nominee. What ‘set up’ ‘insurance’ file was created ‘assuming POTUS would become the nominee? POTUS 1. CRUZ 2. Was CRUZ the target of a separate illegal spy campaign? Q
DECLAS will destroy their last stand [SCHUMER, PELOSI]. FISA will be the start and prepare public for ]HUBER[.
FISA = START. FISA = IMMEDIATE CONF OF ILLEGAL ACTS RE: SIGNERS. FISA = IMMEDIATE CONF START OF HUSSEIN SPY CAMPAIGN TO RIG AN ELECTION WAS BASED ON FALSE INFO. FISA = IMPLICATES HRC / D PARTY AS FEEDERS OF FALSE INFO W/ THE INTENT OF SECURING MSM + BLAST/INSURANCE. FISA = IMPLICATES SENIOR MEMBERS OF UK MI5/6/SIS, US INTEL, WH, FVEY, R PARTY (CONGRESS/SENATE) OF KNOWN CORRUPTION IN EFFORT TO RETAIN POWER AND RIG ELECTION + SAFEGUARD EVENT(S) BY POLITICAL KILL TO ACT WHILE IN POWER GIVEN MSM FAKE PUSH RUSSIA NAR. FISA = TIES MSM HEADS (TV/BEHIND/CORP) TO D PARTY OTHER FOREIGN HEADS OF STATE IN CO-OP STRATEGY. FISA BRINGS DOWN THE HOUSE. FOIA DOES NOT INCLUDE FISA. DECLAS BY POTUS KEY PARTS THAT FACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE THE ‘DIRTY’ ‘FAKE’ DOSSIER WAS USED AS PRIMARY SOURCE TO SECURE HIGHEST LEVEL OF INTEL SPYING ON PRIMARY REPUBLICAN OPPONENT (+POST ELECTION (INTEL ASSETS FOR/DOM SPYING ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES)) FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. LOGICAL THINKING. PUBLIC AWARENESS – FISA/SPYING FOUNDATION BUILT HUBER. NO SPELLING ERRORS INTENDED – MOBILE / UNKNOWN IF ABOVE. Q
Physical landscape +/- ‘proves’ it could not have been taken pre_2016. OP active pre_announcement. Intel awareness pre_2016. Q
>>5476642
Correction: Could not have been taken post_2016. Think 2015. Long day. Q
Q Post 2929
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 84ae7e No.5477046 Mar 3 2019 01:07:32 (EST) dfdf29b9fe687be8c3a7111d5d07711391fe02a1831614f8af0cb5e1dd138a37.png Important to Remember: POTUS already ordered the DECLAS (per Q-proof Sep 17). He’s awaiting the DOJ IG (now Barr + OIG) to proceed w/ the order. Optics are important. Delay by design post order to DECLAS? Tactics? Benefits? [RR] [Ohr] Q
When will the public discover that Ted Cruz was also illegally SURV (pre_POTUS_R nomination)? C_A ‘illegal’ SURV > members of Congress? C_A ‘illegal’ SURV > members of the Press? C_A ‘illegal’ SURV > SENATE INTEL COMM? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/10/cia-senate-investigation-constitutional-crisis-daniel-jones https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/world/senate-intelligence-commitee-cia-interrogation-report.html Who ordered the SURV? What justification was provided to AUTH SURV of ELECTED OFFICIALS? SURV fall under scope of FISA warrant or internal to Dept or outsourced to FVEY? Reality check – friend or foe, we all spy on each other? Should we be spying on ourselves? Should we be tasking others to spy on ourselves in order to avoid U.S. law? Was FVEY established designed by the INTEL COMM as a backchannel SURV apparatus to avoid domestic laws triggers and Congressional/Senate oversight? What keylogs exist to monitor FVEY intel collection? What ability do former GOV officials have re: ability to access C_LEVEL FVEY offshore data? How did HRC gain access to highest CLAS SAPs (closed system access) and able to transfer to remote/home server? (Q above should scare every single American) How did CHINA locate primary C_A assets within CHINA [187]? Money buys POWER. No punishment [Brennan] by HUSSEIN ADMIN re: SURV of Senate etc? …..
>>5477001Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 84ae7e No.5477272 📁 Mar 3 2019 01:17:43 (EST) Anonymous ID: 801c7c No.5477001 📁 Mar 3 2019 01:05:29 (EST) 5476889 Check #2657 YUUUGE When will the public discover that Ted Cruz was also illegally SURV (pre_POTUS_R nomination)? C_A ‘illegal’ SURV > members of Congress? C_A ‘illegal’ SURV > members of the Press? C_A ‘illegal’ SURV > SENATE INTEL COMM? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/10/cia-senate-investigation-constitutional-crisis-daniel-jones📁 https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/world/senate-intelligence-commitee-cia-interrogation-report.html📁 Who ordered the SURV? What justification was provided to AUTH SURV of ELECTED OFFICIALS? SURV fall under scope of FISA warrant or internal to Dept or outsourced to FVEY? Reality check – friend or foe, we all spy on each other? Should we be spying on ourselves? Should we be tasking others to spy on ourselves in order to avoid U.S. law? Was FVEY established designed by the INTEL COMM as a backchannel SURV apparatus to avoid domestic laws triggers and Congressional/Senate oversight? What keylogs exist to monitor FVEY intel collection? What ability do former GOV officials have re: ability to access C_LEVEL FVEY offshore data? How did HRC gain access to highest CLAS SAPs (closed system access) and able to transfer to remote/home server? (Q above should scare every single American) How did CHINA locate primary C_A assets within CHINA [187]? Money buys POWER. No punishment [Brennan] by HUSSEIN ADMIN re: SURV of Senate etc? ….. 5477001
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 188b95 No.5484459 Mar 3 2019 14:27:22 (EST) Why have there been no arrests? Why have ‘specific’ dates been mentioned only to see no action? Define ‘game theory’. Why must disinformation be provided? Define ‘open source’. Define ‘public purview’. Do we let our enemies walk through the front door? Define ‘plausible deniability’. Why was it important to FIRST clean house within the FBI & DOJ (public info)? Why was it important to FIRST clean house within other ABC agencies (non_public info)? What are the duties of the FBI? What are the duties of the DOJ? When does MIL INTEL have jurisdiction? What vested powers does POTUS have re: MIL INTEL vs. ABC agencies re: matters of NAT SEC (HOMELAND)? Think ‘umbrella surv’. What agency does the FBI report to? What is the role of the AG? Does the AG oversee the firing of FBI & DOJ senior/mid/lower staff? How many FBI & DOJ were FIRED/FORCED? Does ‘Russia’ recusal prevent/block AG from this responsibility? What time period did this occur? Who appointed and tasked HUBER? Who appointed and tasked the OIG? Who was AG? [zero leaks – none] Transfer from AG1 to AG2? Why might that be important? How do you avoid ‘politically motivated/attack – obstruction – attempt to block/obstruct Mueller’? Optics are important. When are optics not important? Think Whitaker. Define ‘stage set’. Who recently walked ‘on stage’ to take command? What ‘stage’ experience did this person have? Think Bill Clinton impeachment. Has the ‘stage’ been cleaned & cleared for the next performance? If the ‘stage’ is clean, can the performance begin? How might ‘transparency’ [DECLAS] fit into the dialogue? Define ‘thesis’ statement. What benefit(s) does this provide BARR? “This is not simply another four-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not we, the people, reclaim control over our government.” – POTUS Logical thinking. QQ !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 188b95 No.5484459 📁 Mar 3 2019 14:27:22 (EST) Why have there been no arrests? Why have ‘specific’ dates been mentioned only to see no action? Define ‘game theory’. Why must disinformation be provided? Define ‘open source’. Define ‘public purview’. Do we let our enemies walk through the front door? Define ‘plausible deniability’. Why was it important to FIRST clean house within the FBI & DOJ (public info)? Why was it important to FIRST clean house within other ABC agencies (non_public info)? What are the duties of the FBI? What are the duties of the DOJ? When does MIL INTEL have jurisdiction? What vested powers does POTUS have re: MIL INTEL vs. ABC agencies re: matters of NAT SEC (HOMELAND)? Think ‘umbrella surv’. What agency does the FBI report to? What is the role of the AG? Does the AG oversee the firing of FBI & DOJ senior/mid/lower staff? How many FBI & DOJ were FIRED/FORCED? Does ‘Russia’ recusal prevent/block AG from this responsibility? What time period did this occur? Who appointed and tasked HUBER? Who appointed and tasked the OIG? Who was AG? [zero leaks – none] Transfer from AG1 to AG2? Why might that be important? How do you avoid ‘politically motivated/attack – obstruction – attempt to block/obstruct Mueller’? Optics are important. When are optics not important? Think Whitaker. Define ‘stage set’. Who recently walked ‘on stage’ to take command? What ‘stage’ experience did this person have? Think Bill Clinton impeachment. Has the ‘stage’ been cleaned & cleared for the next performance? If the ‘stage’ is clean, can the performance begin? How might ‘transparency’ [DECLAS] fit into the dialogue? Define ‘thesis’ statement. What benefit(s) does this provide BARR? “This is not simply another four-year election. This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not we, the people, reclaim control over our government.” – POTUS Logical thinking. Q
Q Post 2937
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 188b95 No.5485007 Mar 3 2019 14:55:55 (EST) Ask yourself a very simple, logical, question. What is a FISA warrant/application? Is it a highly confidential [safeguarded] product of the UNITED STATES GOV? If a product of the US GOV _ how did UK/AUS know what was listed inside of the package? Think call to POTUS to prevent DECLAS [sources & methods]. If the US GOV requests UK/AUS [+2] to spy [+ campaign insertion] on an AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRE_NOMINEE + POTUS ELECT, is there a CHAIN OF COMMAND to APPROVE such AUTH? Paper trail of the CHAIN OF COMMAND & umbrella spy metadata? If not tasked & targeted under FVEY – what legal authority existed to engage the targeting? Think Nunes’ statement “not through normal collection, gathering, and reporting/oversight re: (FVEY).” Did the dossier provide the ‘bulk data’ anchor for the spy campaign? What entity paid for the ‘research’ dossier? Opposition candidate? What US Ally completed the collection of false data? Why was it important to use sources within the UK vs. US? How do you circumvent US LAW? What other ‘anchors’ were provided to FISC in order to gain the warrant? [DECLAS will show]. Was the ‘other’ data (collection/process) worse than the dossier? Why didn’t FISC require ‘in room’ presentations of the data prior to ‘sign off’? Who signed apps 1-4? Who traveled to UK/AUS post election of POTUS? Why were SECURITY PRIV removed from select ‘formerly active’ individuals? Treason-Sedition-Corruption at the highest levels of GOV (WW). How do you repair a bridge without closing it down? Q
(sorry, no heat map this month – a couple of our soldiers are down with medical ailments)
>>5486062
Thank you, Anon. Note: Not all are USA v. [ ] Nothing to see here.
Q Post 2940
Unlike the narrow scope of Mueller's investigation, the House Judiciary's oversight mission is broad: did @POTUS committ ANY crimes or misconduct? Our investigation will either exonerate Trump, or it won't. We will follow the facts wherever it may take us.#SundayMotivationhttps://t.co/j8h8ZOv8pJ
Things are getting close. You heard the man. PREPARE.
Most preparation, as I have *ALWAYS* stressed, is MENTAL.
Being short-handed is NOT an unrecoverable situation. What is a major problem is lack of situational awareness, including NOT having already gamed out “what you might do”.
Q says prepare. Q says MARCH timeframe. Be ready. We are TWO DAYS into things. Middle of the month is TWO WEEKS AWAY.
My recommendation is to have most PHYSICAL preparations DONE within the next WEEK. That allows one week for mistakes to be remedied.
Finally, my MOST IMPORTANT tip for preparation.
MENTAL PREPARATION.
Be COOL AS ICE. NO HOT ANGER ALLOWED. Super-cool, cold anger, absolute zero, if any. Better still, NO ANGER – JUST LOGIC.
Warm heart, love your fellow humans, but COLD LOGIC. This is how people survive holocausts. Set all fear aside and ACT or DON’T ACT according to COLD, CLEAR LOGIC.
Divine inspiration will fill you with what you need.
"We cannot avert our eyes to the evidence plainly before us …" My statement on the Judiciary Committee's massive investigation into @realDonaldTrump & his associates. I commend Chair Jerry Nadler for his leadership & look forward to working with him.https://t.co/2nwfsBHw3Nhttps://t.co/lv8QM0Fu0e
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 4c2e9e No.5488382 Mar 3 2019 18:17:55 (EST) https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1102265163107971077 More statements made (evidence) without presenting facts. If ‘evidence’ exists(ed), under ‘broad’ scope #1, would Mueller have the auth to pursue? https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including: (i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a). Because no evidence exists(ed) and/or was found by SC/Mueller, was scope #2 enacted in an attempt to go outside of the ‘intended engagement’? https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4429989-Rod-Rosenstein-memo-outlining-scope-of-Mueller.html Why is scope #2 classified only to AG/DAG and a select few others (read at terminal only)? If ‘evidence’ exists(ed), why did R+D members of the Senate conclude NO DIRECT EVIDENCE EXISTS …………..? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536 If ‘evidence’ exists(ed), as per your statement released today, again, why did the SENATE (R’s + D’s) JUST CONCLUDE NO EVIDENCE EXISTS? When will Americans wake up to the [D] party con that is continually pushed without facts, without support, and supported and further pushed by the media arm of the [D] party [FAKE NEWS MEDIA]? Reading the comments on these Tweets further demonstrates the seriousness of media brainwashing in our Country whereby statements are considered fact w/o the need to provide proof. Group-Think. Control of the Narrative. If enough people state the same thing w/o providing evidence and/or support does it become FACTUAL to those caught in the loop? NATIONAL CRISIS. Q
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: b25f2a No.5489069 Mar 3 2019 18:48:35 (EST) DdYyFQvVAAAEgP-.jpg-large.jpg https://twitter.com/tedlieu You should update your T-banner pic to properly reflect the crowd size when the event actually started. Have you ever witnessed a public all-out attack by the opposition party against the President of the United States? Those who would normally hide in the shadows are forced into the LIGHT. P-A-N-I-C Patriots in Control. Q
Q Post 2945
Well – I was not aware that ChiCom asset Ted Lieu was in the Air Force.
That changes a LOT. This turkey is NOT stupid.
WICKED. This commie will tell any lie, push any narrative, and do whatever it takes to make this a socialist country.
America will never BE a socialist country. EXPECT UGLY.
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 380289 No.5489858 Mar 3 2019 19:18:49 (EST) >>5489614 (/pb) [7] seconds? We are getting closer to 0:00:00. How is that possible? Close proximity? Q
KEK Q! I go to click on the “Meet the Press link” and it says “That page doesn’t exist!” The deep state is taking down evidence as fast as you are posting it! Nothing to see there!
Just read this article and you can see why it raises eyebrows:
DAVIE, Fla. – A Tesla that crashed and caught fire Sunday afternoon in Davie caught fire again after it was towed away, police said.
The driver of the 2016 Tesla Model S, later identified as Omar Awan, overcorrected and lost control of the car, which traveled across three lanes on Flamingo Road, struck several trees in the median and caught fire, Davie police Sgt. Mark Leone said. Awan, who was “burned beyond recognition,” was pronounced dead at the scene, Leone said.
Witnesses said the Tesla was traveling anywhere from 75 to 90 mph when it crashed.
Early the next morning, the Tesla reignited and caught fire again at A Superior Towing from a ruptured battery, Leone said.
“We’ve been out here three times already,” Davie Fire Department Battalion Chief Robert DiFerdinando told Local 10 News.
Tesla released a statement about the crash Monday, saying the company would cooperate with investigators.
“We understand that speed is being investigated as a factor in this crash, and know that high speed collisions can result in a fire in any type of car, not just electric vehicles,” the statement read.
SO – we have one OMAR AWAN who dies in BROWARD COUNTY – home district of one DEBBIE WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ – of a strange ONE-CAR ACCIDENT in a SPEEDING VEHICLE that goes OUT OF CONTROL and then BURNS UP. And the guy is BURNED BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION.
Almost sounds like it can’t be real. And yet this is local news – normally trusted for stuff like accidents and whatnot.
There is another link to an earlier article with MORE details.
DAVIE, Fla. – A driver was killed Sunday after crashing his Tesla into a tree along Flamingo Road in Davie, authorities said.
https://wqth.wordpress.com/2019/02/28/dear-maga-20190228-open-topic/comment-page-2/#comment-86165The crash caused the Tesla to burst into flames.
Paramedics pronounced the driver dead at the scene. Witnesses at the scene said the Tesla was traveling at a high rate of speed before the crash.
“There was just no way anybody could have saved whoever was in there,” witness Mark Dodds, who lives nearby, said.
Police closed a portion of the southbound lanes of Flamingo Road near the crash.
In May, two teenagers were killed when their speeding Tesla crashed into a wall in Fort Lauderdale. The crash caused the car’s electric battery to catch fire.
The National Transportation Safety Board found that the Tesla’s lithium ion battery, which was the source of the fire, reignited twice — as police transported the car away from the crash scene and again when investigators tried to remove the battery from the burned-out remains of the vehicle.
Tesla has defended its electric-powered cars, saying high-speed collisions can cause fires in both gas and electric vehicles.
SO – the real question for me was whether this guy was THE Omar Awan, or just ANY Omar Awan.
A quick search of the name and the location led me to THIS article:
A DOCTOR you say?
Yes. Almost 50 years old. Definitely NOT “The” Omar Awan.
A physician and father of five was killed Sunday afternoon when he lost control of his 2016 Tesla Model S sedan and hit a tree about two miles from his home in Davie, police said. The Tesla was engulfed in flames and later, while in a tow yard, reignited and burned several times. After speaking with the Davie police department’s traffic homicide investigators, the NTSB decided not to investigate the crash, Christopher O’Neil, chief of media relations, said Tuesday. The NTSB investigates all aviation crashes but not all automotive incidents.
I could use my Dissenter browser extension to go BACK to the two articles above, where WHICH Omar Awan was not answered, and WARN people that this wasn’t “The” Omar Awan.
Which I did.
Then I decided to get fancy and say something at the article that I used to solve the problem:
Notice that NOBODY can remove these, except Gab, which is severely disinclined to do so.
That’s when it hit me – WE were now SNOPES, and nobody can stop us.
With those thoughts, I went back to The Q Tree and bragged some more!
But is it a link to an actual story? NO! Of course not. It’s a link to the Fox News homepage – just BULLSHIT to give an “official-looking” link.
Still, there’s value because of a graphic video of the burning wreck.
WATCH: A @Tesla crashes into a tree and bursts into flames in Davie on Flamingo Rd. Unfortunately the driver died on scene according to Davie Fire Rescue. We have @SanelaWPLG on scene working the story. (🎥 via Daniel Dobb) pic.twitter.com/uJCKjWOPJx
So what do I do? I am FINALLY able to TALK BACK TO CLICKBAIT!
“Browardstan”! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hey – you ought to hear my made-up names for redneck and hillbilly towns and regions – I’m an equal opportunity joker! And it’s JUST A FRIGGIN’ JOKE.
Ya Democrat MAROONS! 😉
So where was I?
Yes. We are NOW the news – and MOAR.
“WE. IS. SNOPES.”
Oh, how I love that.
And we can leave TIPS for each other, DEBUNKS for each other, and all kinds of USEFUL stuff, too.
We may not LOOK like Snopes…..
……but frankly, I think we look more respectable…..
…..although, I just had to entertain the idea of having fun with our future.
Enjoy the future, people. We appear to be the early adopters.
Well, maybe that’s a bit of an overstatement. Maybe a bit of a bad attribution. Maybe a bit poetic.
If anybody thinks Andrew Torba of Gab isn’t leading the way to freedom, they’re not being honest. But the President Washington of MAGA certainly helped.
This is simple, yet seems complicated because it’s very new and mind-altering, so stay with me.
None of this would have been possible without Trump. Let’s be honest. The communists did their best to destroy Gab, but – HAHAHA – because Trump held the socialist scum off at the pass – long enough that Gab was able to save themselves – Gab is about to destroy communism (knock on wood).
Well – it’s more like Gab is going to make their liddle communist lives QUITE miserable, but that’s almost the same thing
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In other words, they’re talking about a Twitter post (has its own URL) in a dimension that TWITTER does not control.
Here is a Gab post on Twitter (has a URL) being discussed:
Whoops – can’t see that comment – let’s try lower….
Here is discussion of a Twitter tweet about a Spectator article about Facebook banning people:
The thing is, I can also click on the Tweet itself IN DISSENTER and go straight to the ARTICLE itself. Indeed, I was the first person to comment at THAT URL:
Look more closely at the Dissenter window:
What I said is important.
Notice that I can go BACK to the Dissenter homepage and see this comment:
What you are seeing here is FREE SPEECH going TOTALLY META on the ASS of controlled speech.
5:5?
The whole thing feels revolutionary. To quote Flep – who fortuitously said this today……
NO ####### SHIT!!!
Welcome to the WALLS FALLING DOWN!!!
W
FREEDOM. It’s back in style.
PS – extra points for figuring out why the opening image seems weird. -Wolf
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Today’s header image – a woman taking full control of her life – TRUE EQUALITY – is dedicated to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
RKBA is ultimately how we protect our very lives, and more than that, our Free Speech, which protects our Freedom of Thought, which protects our Belief in God, or No God if we so choose.
Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
Orwellian Hollywood communists, pedophiles and satanists who created the “gateway socialist”, nation-destroying, “People for The American Way“, which sowed the seeds of today’s threatening cultural Marxism – LITERALLY designed to destroy our way of life, and to tear down the American Way, and which almost stole our country from us, with the aid of foreign socialists, can…..
ENJOY.
THEIR.
TRIBUNALS.
Or trials. Whatever.
We’ll supply the popcorn.
Everybody else can have a nice day.
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They tried a different way. A sneaky way. NEVER AGAIN.
Now, just because every red diaper leftist from Obama to Obama names their daughter “Sasha” or “Natasha” or something like that, doesn’t mean that Natasha Stalinski – WHOOPS – I mean Korecki is some kind of socialist bot.
I mean, if she WAS some kind of globalist socialist bot, she would probably hang out with the likes of red diaper communists like, say….
I believe that the biggest nugget of gold in the @Project_Veritas Twitter videos isn't the bias. It's more abuse of fake intel. Allow me to explain.https://t.co/anFr6WMRkr
Now – it’s important to understand that PROGRESSIVES, or COMMUNISTS, or DEMOCRATS, or whatever in the HELL they are, don’t like to admit that people might not LIKE their version of government.
So they have to come up with EXCUSES as to WHY THEY LOST in 2016.
And, to be honest, why they lost in 2018, too.
The CYNICAL psychological trick they use, is to not only DENY that we were able to beat them fair and square, but to then BLAME IT ON RUSSIA.
This is particularly cynical because it’s TRUE that Russia interferes in our elections. In fact, they interfered in our government and our lives for decades – and continue to do so – mostly using their local Democrat “talent”.
See how that works?
The Russians seem to interfere in our country and in our elections (particularly indirectly) in ways that Democrats may SAY favor Republicans, but in reality favor the DEMOCRATS.
In fact, of ALL the Russian interference in “elections”, the BIGGEST one was turning our wonderful Democrat Party into COMMUNISTS. I mean, what bigger way is there to interfere with an election, than turning an entire AMERICAN party into damn near a RUSSIAN PARTY?
Thankfully, one man saw this coming a LONG TIME AGO:
….JOSEPH McCARTHY….
….who was absolutely RIGHT about the RUSSIAN communists and the SOVIET UNION.
Not only was he proven RIGHT – time and time again – about Soviet infiltration and espionage. It was McCarthy’s own DESTRUCTION by the exact same fake news media that we have now, which demonstrates conclusively that America’s media was already falling under communist domination in the 1950’s.
And speaking of COMMUNISTS and their SOVIET AMERICAN MEDIA….
.@Politico reports today: "A wide-ranging disinformation campaign aimed at Democratic 2020 candidates is already underway on social media, with signs that foreign state actors are driving at least some of the activity." https://t.co/LjM14jluq8
In light of clear evidence that Russia has interfered with our elections in the past and seeks to do so again, it's inexcusable that the administration is downsizing DHS task forces charged with protecting our elections from foreign influence. https://t.co/vTxdARS0S9
Meet the moron who blindly cited an actual disinformation campaign in a libelous article by @politico accusing a bunch of real honest Americans of being foreign bots. Reporter was so lazy she didn't even reach out to those she accused. Libel lawsuit? https://t.co/7uXWXQN0U4
So there you have it – the WAR against REAL RUSSIAN BOTS – as in SOVIET DEMOCRATS – has begun.
Sorrrrrry, Boris Axelrrrrrod and Natasha Inkhorrrrechti.
It’s all coming out.
You start coming after DEPLORABLES for MOCKERIES of YOUR OWN SOCIALIST CRIMES…..
Boris, Natasha, and KGB-CIA plot against Moose, Skvirrel, and Navy Nerd Carter Page.The REDS plot against Q, NSA, DIA, and other patriotic UNIX and LINUX fans!And y’all were wondering where OBAMA LUNCHES came from!
Yeah, we DEPLORABLES might start to get a little bit pissed off.
But when you all decided to mess with the INTERNET – well….
NOW YOU’RE FUCKING WITH THE REAL POWERS OF THE UNIVERSE.
Say hello to GOD, you worthless Marxists!
How does Q put it?
Oh, yeah.
“ENJOY THE SHOW.”
Sit back and relax. Maybe fight back HARD online and WIN a little. Maybe win a lot. Maybe even TOO MUCH WINNING.
Because in the end, GOD’S GOT THIS.
W
Wonder who’s playing Energizer Bunny.
PS:
The 146th day of this year, which shall be celebrated here as Ma Cankles Uranium Day, is:
SUNDAY, MAY 26, 2019
Ma Cankles Uranium Day is Sunday, May 26, 2019. It is ALWAYS the 146th day of the year. Join us in celebrating Nacho Presidente Clinton.
PPS – repeating again for proper perusal:
Let’s hear some guesses as to where MA CANKLES falls on this graph.
PPPS:
Why we celebrate Ma Cankles Uranium Day on the 146th day of the year.
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Keep it civil, but keep it free.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
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And once the Gab commenting layer is here – BOOM.
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Two items of interest:
First, keep up those prayers for NYGuy54! They’re WORKING.
Second, we need to dig up the links between Kamala Harris and a certain hoaxer whose MOTHER is named Janet Harris. There are a lot of tips leading in that general direction, and there seems to be some objection to those tips being publicized.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Keep it civil, but keep it free.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
A couple of other important things to consider. This here link….
….contains some general guidelines for things that are really, really not kosher to post here.
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules (as amended by SteveInCO):
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
No shooting at the nuclear warheads.
Remember – this is a free speech zone. Barring the few minor things that can get this site closed down, you ain’t gonna get banned.
And once the Gab commenting layer is here – BOOM.
– – · –
The current plan for Dear MAGA threads is to switch to a format where people have ONE NIGHT A WEEK that they take care of the thread. For example, Wheatie will put up the SATURDAY thread on FRIDAY NIGHT.
Monday – Wolf
Tuesday – Wolf
Wednesday – Wolf
Thursday – Wolf
Friday – Wolf
Saturday – Wheatie
Sunday – ThinkThinkThink
If anybody else would be interested in being a Dear MAGA author one night a week, feel free to let me know.
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If you have not checked out President Trump’s speech on Venezuela – AND Cuba – AND Nicaragua – AND SOCIALISM in general, which is about to be removed from this hemisphere……
The Truths, Lies, and Disinformation Surrounding a Mythical yet Very Real Substance
There is nothing more intriguing than an enigmatic character who defies political and cultural boundaries to tell great truths, yet mixes in just enough lies, fakery, shiny objects, red herrings, exaggerations and omissions to make himself or herself economically viable solely on their product.
It also helps if that character furthers the interests of cultural Marxism.
Exhibit A: Hunter S. Thompson
It is a minor forbidden delight to read such people, as well as to write in that style. The problem, however, is that what the author gains in the ability to “get past the censors”, is lost in terms of ultimate credibility. In the end, we are left with – more than anything else – entertainment – not journalism.
Gonzo journalism has a price. And in addition to loss of credibility, part of that price is what I would call the satanic train-wreck factor.
Read enough of a guy like Thompson, and eventually one thinks something like the following:
“THANK GOD I turned away from (fill in the blank) back when (fill in the blank), and I stopped hanging around with (fill in the blank), because otherwise I would be living through the same skanky, tacky, vomit-smelling nightmare of drugs, alcohol, bad sex and psychotic living that Hunter S. Thompson lived through, which is NO LONGER VERY FUNNY.”
Indeed – if you EVER got to the point of being “kinda sick” of any writing by Hunter S. Thompson before you finished reading it – even better if you put it down and didn’t finish it – then this article is going to make a LOT more sense, than it will to those who hung on his every word.
Hunter S Thompson, more than anybody else, was responsible for the myth of adrenochrome taking hold of America’s collective drug consciousness. Whether HST himself originated the urban legend of adrenochrome, or merely passed it on, is not certain. What IS certain, is that when people feel the need to provide SOME kind of reference to demonstrate the reality of adrenochrome, they almost always cite Hunter S. Thompson and his book, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Here is how the “adrenochrome scene” was transferred to the big screen.
However, here is what IMDB has to say about that scene:
Near end of this film, Duke takes too much “andrenichrome” and has a nasty experience. Andrenichrome was a substance that Hunter S. Thompson made up for the book when he originally wrote it, and was kept in the script by Terry Gilliam. The name itself wasn’t new – Adrenochrome is an oxidation product of adrenaline, while Adrenochrome semicarbazone, also known as carbazochrome, is used as a medicinal drug to reduce capillary bleeding – however, neither compound is a hallucinogenic drug as portrayed in the book and film. After showing a rough cut of the film to a test audience, Gilliam was approached by a group of young men, one of which complimented him on the film in general, but said that his favorite scene was the andrenichrome scene. He said that he had used the drug, and that Gilliam had captured the effects perfectly. Gilliam didn’t have the heart to tell the kid that it was made up, and went along with his story.
IMDB Trivia entry for “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”
Adrenochrome is not mythical in the sense that it does not exist. It is mythical in terms of being almost 90% sexy but untrue (yet potentially profitable) legend, and 10% oddly unsexy reality.
Even the notoriously dubious aphrodisiac “Spanish fly” – which CAN (sometimes) cause priapism as an annoying side-effect of dangerous inflammation of the internal mucosa – is “more real” than adrenochrome.
All recreational drugs are, to some extent, “mythical“, in that they become focal points for petabytes of rumors, lies and disinformation. However, some drugs are more mythical than others, and of all the “highly mythical” ones, adrenochrome is one of the worst.
Adrenochrome is marketed to the unwary – meaning the vast majority of humans – by layer upon layer of mutually reinforcing LIES. With a name that sounds half-way between adrenalin – something natural, good, exciting, quasi-sexual and biochemical – and chromosome – something natural, powerful, mysterious, quasi-sexual and deeply biological – adrenochrome can be whatever your mind wants it to be.
Thus, the very name adrenochrome sets it up perfectly for its primary myth:
THE MYTH: that adrenochrome is some sort of EXOTIC BIOCHEMICAL giving an EXTREME HIGH, and that it comes from either the….
blood
pineal glands
pituitary glands
hypothalamus
adrenal glands
or some other exotic location
….of the living or recently deceased bodies of terrorized innocent people, particularly tortured, trafficked, or imprisoned women or children.
The exact myth varies, but all forms of the myth require either the murder, torture, or terrorizing of innocent people.
And it is ALL – as far as either a WORKING DRUG or an ACTUAL ORIGIN is concerned – absolute bullshit.
However, that does not mean that one cannot:
sell people things that they believe are or contain adrenochrome
buy things that one believes are or contain adrenochrome
do horrible things that one believes will create adrenochrome
Are you with me?
I want to make sure you understand that just because adrenochrome isn’t “real”, doesn’t mean that some or all of the sick universe surrounding it isn’t real. As one descends into the world of drugs and casual / illicit / paid sex, from there into the world of crime and cruelty, and from there into the world of satanism and utter evil, “truth” is of little value. What one BELIEVES controls reality, and people do believe a lot of really horrible stuff.
The Johnny Depp movie about satanism – “The Ninth Gate” – is instructive. People who BELIEVE in evil will ACT on those beliefs to CREATE evil. Evil EMERGES from BELIEF in it.
Or just read about the SATANIC serial killer, Richard Ramirez, who was actually PROTECTED by Dianne Feinstein (she leaked information that helped him avoid capture). The fake news media likewise HIDES and PROTECTS satanism, while demonizing the tools that evil chooses to use.
So, in an odd way, the VERY BELIEF in the LIES about adrenochrome actually creates the evil of it.
Are you ready for me to explain?
Good. Let’s begin.
Most people are not prepared to debunk the mythical chemistry or pharmacology of adrenochrome, and there is a huge part of the world that has no intention of debunking it, beyond doing so quietly enough to maintain their own political credibility and – in my suspicious cat opinion – CASH FLOW.
We will get to the part about CASH later.
Unless you have at least two semesters of college organic chemistry, and one semester of biochemistry, it is highly unlikely that you will be suspicious enough to figure out that there is something terribly wrong with the “standard myth” of adrenochrome.
Allow me to help.
A chemist or other scientist with enough training looks at THIS simple organic chemical structure:
Adrenochrome, C9H9NO3
….and then thinks the following:
“This is a dead simple molecule – easy to make. Even the chiral center is no problem. Heck – we could have made this in Organic I Laboratory. If it actually worked as a DRUG, people would be mainlining it or vaping it. There is no need for terrorizing children or carving out the adrenal glands of murder victims. That would be like giving somebody an ASPIRIN and then extracting aspirin from their blood. It’s ridiculous. Make it and take it, like METH.”
Short version: Adrenochrome’s own MOLECULE outs most of the myth as a lie. It is a simple organic chemical that can be made in the lab. It has been OBSERVED as the pinkish oxidation product of adrenaline since roughly 1909, and was fully identified in the laboratory in 1937.
Upon separation, purification, and crystallization, adrenochrome is basically reddish crystals that slowly decompose and go bad in a few weeks. The reason that it goes bad is that the adrenochrome molecule is both an oxidizing agent called a “quinone”, and a reducing agent called an “amino alcohol”. Adrenochrome was born to destroy itself.
Nevertheless, for subtle chemical reasons, this substance is stable enough to work with in a laboratory or clinical setting, or even send through the mail. THAT is why scientists could actually STUDY adrenochrome AS A DRUG in the 1940’s and 1950’s. Same with adrenalin – it’s easily made, studied, and transported. SCIENTISTS MADE THEM BOTH IN THE LAB TO STUDY – a LONG time ago.
Why try to isolate these simple chemicals from any biological source, once it’s obvious what they are, and knowing that you can make them easily – on a far bigger scale than they can be isolated biologically?
Fast forward to NOW. You can buy this stuff PURE from companies like Sigma Aldrich, where EVERYBODY gets chemicals. Here it is, shipped in an ampule, to keep it nice and pure, because the stuff DOES decompose slowly at room temperature, and faster when open to the air. Even in the ampule, it slowly decomposes, so refrigerating it is a good idea – probably best kept in the FREEZER.
Now – before we get started – I want to make something EXTREMELY clear.
The MYTH of adrenochrome does not mean that people don’t actually pay a pretty penny for the stuff – WHATEVER they may actually be buying. They may be buying the real thing. They may be buying something else. They may be buying a complete LIE. Doesn’t matter.
If you know anything about the ILLEGAL AND RECREATIONAL DRUG WORLD, then you know that every single thing that is sold is very likely to be FAKE, to be IMPURE, to be a LIE, and to either NOT WORK or WORK TOO WELL, because it is really SOMETHING ELSE.
The drug world is 30% about drugs. It is 70% about MONEY. Maybe MORE. Understand that, and you will understand why the top echelon of the political left promotes the adrenochrome mythology – not openly, but through the political operative middle, who are tasked with keeping the myth alive, although THEY are not told the full truth. That effort is not simply to distract and discredit conservatives, but also to create a market among Hollyweird idiots and Shillicon Valley chumps for bogus adrenochrome products.
Do you see where this goes?
That kid in the IMDB story was very likely SOLD something – ANYTHING – under the guise of it being “adrenochrome”.
Use AND LOGIC to see all the reasons why the left promotes the adrenochrome myth. Overall, adrenochrome WORKS for the left. But not in the way that ANY of the “true believers” think it does.
I will return to this point later, in even more detail.
Now that we have cracked the first part of the myth – namely that adrenochrome is some “special” substance that needs to come from abused humans – WHICH IT DOES NOT – we can move on to the second half of the myth – WHAT REAL ADRENOCHROME ACTUALLY DOES.
Because “adrenochrome” SOUNDS LIKE “adrenaline”, people assume that it has some kind of similar effects. The adrenochrome myth always offers some kind of ultimate high or euphoria that the rich are willing to pay boo-koo bucks to experience.
This idea is ALMOST reasonable. Although adrenochrome is actually a metabolic degradation product of adrenaline, something which has strong, known effects, there ARE many cases where drugs that are given to people actually turn into STRONGER drugs in the body. The administered drugs serve as what are called “pro-drugs” – meaning they are biochemical precursors of the stuff that ACTUALLY has the main pharmacological effect. So it isn’t totally unreasonable to think that perhaps adrenochrome, as a decay product of adrenaline, has some kind of magical effect that is STRONGER than adrenaline.
However, this is NOT the case. It is KNOWN that adrenochrome does NOT have any of the profound physiological effects of adrenaline – either the same ones or different ones. In fact, like most metabolic degradation products, adrenochrome is “a lesser, weaker product that gets flushed”. It’s weaker, different, and not even particularly stable, turning into OTHER THINGS as it breaks down.
And it gets worse for the myth.
Part of the reason the myth works is that people believe adrenochrome can affect the brain, because of something called the adrenochrome hypothesis. This is a formerly dubious but increasingly foundational hypothesis that adrenochrome itself causes the symptoms of schizophrenia. It comes from the fact that early pharmacological tests of adrenochrome elicited psychotic symptoms in some subjects.
Yes, that’s right. Psychotic symptoms. Not Psychedelic. PSYCHOTIC.
This is not exactly something that people who want to get HIGH are looking for. They may be looking for pretty colors. They are probably NOT looking for turning into a crazy person.
Here is a quote:
Several small-scale studies (involving 15 or fewer test subjects) conducted in the 1950s and 1960s reported that adrenochrome triggered psychotic reactions such as thought disorder, derealization, and euphoria.[2] Researchers Abram Hoffer and Humphry Osmond claimed that adrenochrome is a neurotoxic, psychotomimetic substance and may play a role in schizophrenia and other mental illnesses.[3] In what they called the “adrenochrome hypothesis”,[4] they speculated that megadoses of vitamin C and niacin could cure schizophrenia by reducing brain adrenochrome.[5][6] While the treatment of schizophrenia with such potent anti-oxidants is highly contested in the literature, and adrenochrome is not currently believed to have any psychedelic properties,[7] a number of recently published papers consider Hoffer’s paper a landmark contribution to the notion that impairment of what’s now termed the anti-oxidant defense system (AODS) seems to play a role in schizophrenia.[8]
A good insider review of the history and scientific politics of the adrenochrome hypothesis, along with the somewhat allied movement called orthomolecular psychiatry, can be found here:
To put things quickly in perspective, one might say that the original adrenochrome hypothesis was a crude but remarkably foretelling sketch of what we now know to be true. It turns out that oxidized neurotransmitters such as adrenaline ARE in fact partially responsible for neurotoxic degradation of neurons in the brain, and THAT is in turn largely responsible for neurological diseases including schizophrenia and Parkinsonism.
An example of the kind of research that brought increasing respect for the adrenochrome hypothesis is this paper, showing that certain enzymes which may be missing or impaired in schizophrenia are capable of removing adrenochrome.
Similarly, and in an almost remarkable proof of the current model of schizophrenia and Parkinsonism, the very oxidizing agents that can be used in the laboratory or factory to turn adrenaline into adrenochrome, are in some cases THEMSELVES neurotoxic in almost exactly the same way.
In other words, chemicals that can MAKE adrenochrome from adrenaline in the lab, appear to make it in the body, too. But they don’t make people high. They make them very ill, by attacking the brain, similarly to schizophrenia and Parkinsonism.
Pretty powerful logic, isn’t it?
So – adrenochrome causing short-term psychotic symptoms makes some sense (although THAT is where the science is again complicated).
But what about “euphoria”?
Now, the word “euphoria” is noted from this early adrenochrome research, but we need to temper that with the fact that the world’s EXPERTS on euphoria produced by recreational drugs – meaning EXPLORATORY SELF-TESTING DRUG ABUSERS – have NOT found real adrenochrome to be a worthwhile recreational drug.
Let’s go now to EROWID – which is basically an online cyber-collective of druggies who actually care about the details of drugs. They’re a bit like volunteer librarians in the world of illicit drugs. Here is their money quote on adrenochrome:
Adrenochrome is an oxidation product of adrenaline (ephinephrine, norepinephrine). It has achieved mythical status as a deliberately-ingested psychoactive — boosted by H.S. Thompson’s Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas — though it is debated whether it has any psychoactive effects at all.
The most useful report was by a science-minded self-tester nicknamed genaro, who obtained commercial adrenochrome and self-administered it three ways, obtaining the exact same effects every time.
sublingual and oral (under tongue, then swallowed)
nasal (snorted)
smoked (crack pipe)
His report is entitled “Killing the Myth” (you can guess what that means), and is partly included below, so hang on before you click. I’m just giving the references. The best description is here:
Genaro appears to have gotten his adrenochrome from a legitimate chemical supplier in Europe.
Genaro’s experience with adrenochrome was less impressive than most drugs, and frankly on par with the “recreationally uninteresting” effects of schizophrenia, if even that. Adrenochrome clearly had some mental effect, but nothing interesting enough that most people who enjoy any form of recreational drug – including caffeine or nicotine – would be interested.
Per Genaro:
To sum up, effects were extremely weak, absolutely not fun nor psychedelic in anyway, and short lived (I would say the slight initial euphoria is gone within 4-5 minutes, and the few strange feelings that I experience from the stuff are gone within about 1 hour (I couldn’t say the exact duration as I didn’t really checked my watch) Needless to say I was very disappointed by this uninteresting compound.
The effects I had from it were flimsy, there was a definite effect on my vision and my mental state for sure but I would definitely not call it ‘hallucinogenic’.
Genaro, anonymous test user of adrenochrome
There are other users who have tried unpurified oxidized adrenaline in lieu of purified adrenochrome, but their experiences (stimulation, headache) sound very much like exactly what they administered – degraded adrenaline – and not pure adrenochrome.
This lack of hallucinogenic effect from any form of adrenochrome seems to be a consensus, despite the fact that the “hallucinogenic” nature of old, oxidized, “pink”, medical adrenaline WAS indeed one of the reasons that adrenochrome was investigated as a potential hallucinogen and/or neurotoxin in the first place.
My thinking here is that this is simply the classic ambiguity of the word “hallucinogenic” in pharmacology, ranging from minor visual disturbances to florid, dream-like, false experiences. Adrenochrome appears to cause the former – NOT the latter, which is generally desired by recreational drug users who are interested in hallucinogens.
In any case, what we are talking about with adrenochrome is clearly NOT a useful or attractive recreational drug.
So why is there any REAL interest in adrenochrome?
Why are there PATENTS?
Why are there, in fact, LOTS of patents?
The reason is subtle. Adrenochrome doesn’t really have any uses as a psychiatric drug, but it DOES have use as a hemostatic – to STOP BLEEDING.
Are you starting to see where some of the ideas for the MYTH of adrenochrome came from? From distortion of reality? Good.
The fact is, adrenochrome itself isn’t even a very good hemostat, because it decomposes so quickly. HOWEVER, in organic chemistry, there are KNOWN WAYS to stabilize substances like adrenochrome, and THAT is exactly what was done. The medically useful compounds are DERIVATIVES – specifically what are called CARBONYL DERIVATIVES – of adrenochrome.
What chemists do is take the double-bonded oxygens of adrenochrome – the quinone carbonyls – the things that make it reactive and unstable – and turn one of them into a double-bonded nitrogen with some additional stabilizer atoms attached. This is a NOTORIOUSLY EFFECTIVE TRICK for stabilizing certain molecules, and even for identifying those molecules through the stabilized derivatives. Organic chemists use this technique all the time.
The carbonyl derivatives of adrenochrome are called oximes, hydrazones, and semicarbazones. Almost ALL of these substances are useful as hemostats, and even better, they LACK the neurological effects of adrenochrome itself.
THIS is why adrenochrome is primarily manufactured – as an INTERMEDIATE for other more useful drugs.
That is it. That is the TRUTH about adrenochrome.
SO – now that we know the TRUTH about adrenochrome – how it is neither a pleasing recreational drug, nor something that must be obtained through wicked and murderous methods – we have to ask – why don’t the LIES go away?
Therein lies an even uglier truth. The adrenochrome myth is a typical satanic LIE that generates satanic REALITY by virtue of belief.
There are people who WANT others to believe the myth. And they want others to believe the myth, because it gives them POWER and MONEY. The nature of the power and the money VARY with the audience, but that is just fine with the people who benefit from it. They FOOL everybody, even if they fool them DIFFERENTLY.
Let me explain.
SATAN: Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Satan.
Satan who?
Satan who can make you pollute your own mind by thinking about sex with children and child murder.
No way!
Your ENEMIES are having sex with stolen children and murdering them for ADRENOCHROME, and then getting HIGH on it!
OMG! My enemies are…..
SATAN: My work is done.
Starting to see how this works? This is a HUGE component of Pizzagate, sadly. Yes, there is real evil. Getting people to obsess about it to the point of unbelievability SPREADS THE EVIL FIRST and PROTECTS IT SECOND.
See how that works? And the adrenochrome isn’t even real. It’s ALL A LIE.
Are you seeing that extra bit of Satan – that hollowness at the end of the deal with the devil – the fact that the drug itself is actually a LIE, and DOESN’T EVEN REALLY WORK?
It gets worse.
SATAN: Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Satan.
Satan who?
Satan who knows about the ultimate drug.
No way!
Good bye.
OMG! What if this ultimate drug is real?
SATAN: My work is done.
Just because something isn’t TRUE, doesn’t mean that there aren’t people who will not only believe the myth, but who will FEED it, and KEEP IT ALIVE.
And more than THOSE people, who keep the myth alive, there are other people who will pay top dollar to LIVE in the myth.
The debauched world of drugs, sex, money and fame is filled with people who want to believe in the NEXT HIGH of any kind. Those people are sitting on a world of cash.
Normally, I could not sell a pop singer teen celebrity a diverted unit of blood or blood plasma if my life depended on it. But thanks to the MYTH of adrenochrome, I can sell them either of these for absurd amounts of money, by telling them that there is something extra special about the stuff in the bag.
But let’s say that I’m not connected to a highly corrupted humanitarian organization where I can get blood products on the cheap. Doesn’t matter with something as mythical as adrenochrome. I can still sell people literally ANY drug or drug combination as “adrenochrome”, and most people who buy illicit drugs will believe it, at the right price.
People can even make money on the MYTH ITSELF.
Consider this 2017 movie, which is probably most famous for being SUED by Coachella for creating its own imitation festival called “filmchilla” as a marketing device.
The fact that there is a sickening, terrible, grade Z, stoner-cult, gore-cult, Satan-cult, cultural Marxist movie CALLED Adrenochrome should already be setting off alarm bells.
But remember – that’s just how they market the myth to THEMSELVES – the people who LOVE the sickness.
They market the myth to YOU differently.
Like THIS:
It’s ALL disinformation. But just because YOU would not BUY IT, doesn’t mean that OTHERS would not pay good money for it. And the more YOU believe the LIES, the more OTHERS will as well.
Are you seeing how the myth works? The MONEY is the key. But there is also POWER in it. Why? Because if you sell somebody a fake drug ALLEGEDLY from killed children, just IMAGINE what kind of blackmail power that has.
Adrenochrome is more of a satanic lie, than a satanic reality, but it’s still satanic.
Now – even though there MAY NOT REALLY BE some multi-billion dollar adrenochrome industry, I’m willing to bet that there ARE people making a pretty penny on the myth, just like any other illicit drug, and I’ll bet the money gets up into the low millions, or maybe the tens of millions worldwide.
Nothing huge, but NOT non-existent. The “low end” of the market definitely exists.
The main reason that I am CONFIDENT there is a market for an alleged adrenochrome product, is that it would be SIMILAR and PARALLEL to the market for LIFE EXTENSION. That market is among the RICH and POWERFUL, and it is VERY, VERY REAL.
I actually knew, at some point in my life, somebody who I would regard as a “lower-level cabal” member. This was a very anonymous person, but very high in the pantheon of leftist virtue – receiving a kind of weird respect – almost veneration – from very powerful people. This person was also a FANATIC about life extension, spending significant time and money looking for exotic biomedical and biochemical ways to live longer.
Read about Sergey Brin of Google. Same thing. There is an OBSESSION among these very self-important people, about making their important lives last just a wee bit longer.
The list goes on – VERY long – just “google it”. “Life extension”.
Are these people a market for “young blood transfusions”, and perhaps for some of them, at several times the price, “adrenochrome blood transfusions”?
I have ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT about it.
If you don’t believe me, believe Scientific American, reporting in both skeptical and shocked tones, on the level of interest in “young blood transfusions”, in a case where the tip of the iceberg broke the waterline:
This is a very real thing, and the Fake News Media – not unpredictably – “accidentally” promotes the market in hushed but knowing tones. Just look at the articles I cited. Those would have been PARODIES 50 years ago.
See what I keep saying about “fake science”? It goes with fake news and fake entertainment, both of which are really propaganda.
The actual market for [fake] adrenochrome is probably among the more libertine, occult-friendly, drug-taking, and risk-taking segments of the rich and powerful, as opposed to the more self-protecting “life extension” personalities.
Like I said, I’m speculating here, but I think I’m on solid ground. Adrenochrome is an “illicit” drug. People can read about it in a cool book by an establishment-approved author, glorified for years in “Doonesbury”, that was made into a Hollywood movie. There is AUTOMATIC DEMAND.
The more MYTHICAL, the more LEGENDARY, the better.
And wanting to be legendary is – well – quite common.
So there you have it.
This brings us full-circle, back to Hunter S. Thompson. Both the beginning and end of FAKE adrenochrome. The MAKER OF MYTHS was probably also the CONSUMER OF MYTHS – and if not him, then that still falls to the LEGIONS of “adrenochrome” buzz-buzzards that one finds on the internet, searching for information about adrenochrome, some of them hoping to try it. In researching this article, I found them everywhere.
https://youtu.be/1d-B8_pwDnE
My recommendation? Don’t be one of them. Stay the HELL away from the hell of illicit drugs, both REAL and MYTHICAL. But perhaps say a prayer for those who don’t take that advice. Because THOSE folks are very real, and they don’t always live long and prosper.
Having had my own life-long string of follies and recovered errors of other kinds….
Having suffered my own stormy experiences, thinking I was merely going to learn a little science – like perhaps the structure of adrenochrome….
Perhaps none of us really stay on shore….
Perhaps all of us are out there in boats – caught in various tempests….
Even when we don’t think that’s where we are.
Therefore – I propose a toast.
To life. May we all experience it abundantly. And truly. As designed.
W
The Story of Creation
PS – I note the psychologically toxic effects of simply doing this article. There is a lesson in that. There are MANY lessons. Time to do some more reading in the Bible.
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