“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
The murderous LancetGate Effect is back, and this time it killed thousands before bureaucrats relented and allowed doctors to save patients.
[ Hat Tip to barkerjim for alerting me to this Indonesian case. ]
Part 1 – LancetGate Effect 1.0 and 1.1
Ah, the memories of LancetGate! That moment when “they” “finally” “proved” that hydroxychloroquine didn’t work.
Until – it turned out – they had proved nothing. For when honest people looked at the bogus Surgisphere study, embarrassingly published in The Lancet, they realized that it was absolute horseshit, built on bad data, by people who had no idea what they were doing, other than trying to KILL hydroxychloroquine. Presumably on behalf of Mysterious Unknown Bill Gateses and Nations That Might Be China.
The trouble is, by the time the study was proven to be a bunch of happy horseshit, bureaucrats had eagerly and enthusiastically banned hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 in several countries, and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people worldwide were denied hydroxychloroquine, many of them dying within that typical 14-day window in which COVID-19 kills people.
However, something interesting happened when hydroxychloroquine was banned in Switzerland.
Because the bans of HCQ were all planned and coordinated around the release of the false study, they went into effect almost immediately, with relentless efficiency. It was in some cases immediately impossible for doctors to get hydroxychloroquine.
THAT created a sharpness in the curves.
Fourteen days later, the deaths from COVID-19 began spiking – HARD. Now, people were criticizing the study almost immediately, and within a few weeks, the study was already looking very shaky, as The Lancet started backing down, ultimately leading to retraction.
The Swiss didn’t wait that long to correct their error. They saw the deaths, allowed HCQ back into the hands of doctors, saving the lives of patients, again with GREAT SUDDENNESS, despite the “best wishes” of neo-Nazi KlauSS Schwab and the WEFFEN SS Great Resetters, who needed more dead people – even their own pitiful Davos plebes.
And THIS was the result.
It was a STUNNING little blip in the data.
The result was even more interesting when compared to France, where HCQ was immediately suppressed, thanks to communist bureaucrat Agnes Buzyn, who swiftly made the OTC drug almost unobtainable.
Allow me to explain these graphs.
France starts off worse than Switzerland due to suppression of hydroxychloroquine, and gets even worse as supplies dry up, while Switzerland gets better immediately, with doctors experimenting with treatments based on the earlier research and cutting-edge studies, including both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. A stunning indictment of post-Soviet bureaucracy.
So why does France start getting better (going down)? That is the result of research by Prof. Didier Raoult in Marseilles, in the South of France, who quickly got extremely positive results by semi-prophylactic “early treatment” of both the virus and subsequent pneumonia, using a combination of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZM), without waiting for positive test results for bacterial infection. This idea of prophylactic antibiotics is KEY to saving lives, and later influenced Dr. Zelenko in America to try a combination of HCQ, AZM, and zinc, given at the first sign of the disease, as an outpatient treatment. Zelenko gets wildly good results, preventing hospitalizations and deaths at nearly 100% level, yet is unable to get organizations like the AMA to acknowledge the treatment.
The problem for Prof. Raoult was that he was immediately vilified by the forces of Big Pharma. Some of it was absolutely stunning. Nevertheless, there was a strong group of “populist” doctors and scientists in France, and also internationally, who supported Raoult, even though the MONEY was clearly against him.
Nonetheless, Raoult was winning the hearts and minds of practitioners in France – particularly in the South of the country, and admirers around the world. And THAT is why the numbers kept getting better.
One of my favorite French memes…..
And then LANCETGATE happened, as you can see in the graph.
And then the LancetGate Effect, fully visible when LancetGate was exposed, and HCQ was allowed back into the physician’s arsenal of salvation.
France was already operating under a “ban” on hydroxychloroquine, and there was considerable pressure on Prof. Raoult, but it did not really get worse for him, or for other doctors using HCQ in spite of the ban, until a few weeks into the LancetGate Effect, where you can see a lesser effect than in Switzerland starting to happen in France, but an upward trend in deaths just the same. But the main point THERE is that the Swiss results ALMOST joined the French results.
Now, one of the confirmations of this was a SIMILAR effect in America.
The scale below is upside-down from above. In this case, UP is GOOD, DOWN is BAD.
Thanks to the WUWT weather and climate guys for finding this little nugget.
If you want to read more about these cases, please click on two old blog posts here which talk about the LancetGate Effect.
The first one talks about the effect itself.
The second involves a huge counteroffensive against all the people who had maligned hydroxychloroquine, in which Dr. Zelenko began collecting all the evidence, before it could be deleted.
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You will notice in these old articles that Twitter has now BLOCKED all my tweet threads on the LancetGate Effect, by “suspending” my account. Someday Jack Dorsey will answer for this!
Part 2 – LancetGate Effect 2.0
The following information was nicely captured in TWO articles in The Gateway Pundit.
Note that time has passed between LancetGate Effects 1.0 and 2.0 – the drug of choice for treating COVID-19 is now IVERMECTIN – at high enough doses that it shows a pronounced ANTIVIRAL effect. Fortunately, the antiparasitic drug has such an incredibly high therapeutic margin, it actually has a usable secondary antiviral activity.
Who would have known? THAT is science – and science in service of humanity.
The graph that really explains things is this one.
Now I will immediately tell you that the labeling of the graph is “true but misleading”. It LOOKS like the graph is saying:
“They banned ivermectin on 06/12/21 and the number of cases took off. Then it was approved on 07/15/21 and it dropped again.”
That is NOT the case. That “Ivermectin banned” arrow could just as easily point at the whole line to the left of the July 15th arrow.
The REAL reason for the huge spike is the arrival of the DELTA VARIANT in Indonesia. That hit the previously isolated island country, and the cases took off. AT THAT TIME, ivermectin was still banned, because the Indonesian health ministry was following the advice of WHO, CDC, FDA, and the EU.
BIG MISTAKE.
Here is another look at the data.
You can see how deaths track cases in time. After ivermectin was approved and made widely available, due to the desperation of the authorities, no longer willing to listen to Western Bolshevik and Globalist media propaganda, both reported cases and deaths dropped like a rock.
This is not hard.
Namibia did the same thing, and got great results.
What education are you talking about. In Namibia, Africa we used ivermectin in my hometown. Cases dropped like a rock, same as in india and indonesia. It's clear who the ignorant one is. For god's sake you hold a Phd, act like it!
People in America were simply not prepared to see just how mercenary Big Pharma really is, particularly now that it operates hand-in-glove with the Wokester Bolshevik and Globalist Scum. People in the “third world” are quite familiar with the concept, however. They know that they are barely even numbers to the elite globalists who run the planet – who operate with far more concern for imperial politics than for the people themselves.
Part 3 – Accountability
India has had its own experiences with ivermectin, and as far as India is concerned, ivermectin saved the day there, too.
A different state was not so lucky. They listened to the wrong woman, thereby dropping ivermectin for a while, and many people died.
The problem is, India has its own problem with UN-loving idiot wokesters who value globalist conformity over truth, and it resulted in THOUSANDS OF DEAD.
However, there is also accountability.
Although this has largely been covered up by the globalist media, Indian authorities have decided to prosecute their own “Fauci” for misleading the public on ivermectin, which led to thousands of people dying.
India charges WHO Scientist Soumya Swaminathan: India is a forefront nation in demanding accountability from the WHO, the Indian Bar Association (IBA) now suing WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan.
They are accusing her of causing the deaths of many Indian citizens by misleading them about the effect of Ivermectin, which she stated did not work against Covid-19.
As a result, the use of Ivermectin to cure Covid-19 was stopped and Covid cases exploded with deaths increasing ten-fold.
Point 56 states: “That your misleading tweet on May 10, 2021, against the use of Ivermectin had the effect of the State of Tamil Nadu withdrawing Ivermectin from the protocol on May 11, 2021, just a day after the Tamil Nadu government had indicated the same for the treatment of COVID-19 patients. (Feature photo: WHO Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan)
Specific charges included the running of a disinformation campaign against Ivermectin and issuing statements in social and mainstream media to wrongfully influence the public against the use of Ivermectin despite the existence of large amounts of clinical data showing its profound effectiveness in both prevention and treatment of COVID-19.
In particular, the Indian Bar brief referenced the peer-reviewed publications and evidence compiled by the ten-member Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) group and the 65-member British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) panel headed by WHO consultant and meta-analysis expert Dr. Tess Lawrie.”
Will Fauci, Walensky, and “Thalidomide Janet” Woodcock see justice?
It’s important to go to the CTH link to understand how the POLITICIZED MEDICINE is being pushed from the top down. This is EXACTLY what was done to push the Global Warming Hoax in science. SD has some additional evidence that confirms WHY doctors are backing off – because medical organizations are apparently under political pressure to control their memberships, and are THREATENING doctors.
NOW – it gets worse.
The nurse ABOVE states that half the staff in the hospitals REALIZE that the vaccines are doing the damage, and that people are then being diagnosed with “COVID” instead of vaccine injury, but that doctors don’t even want to hear about vaccination being associated with the symptoms.
We have seen this from the VERY beginning of the vaccines.
I’ve discussed this before – I think this CNA was doing good, honest science, and realized that the “superspreader story” given for post-jab deaths was politically motivated BS.
SO – where does THIS go?
This fits in very nicely with something from KARL DENNINGER (H/T barkerjim for posting this crucial information).
The gist of this article, from Denninger’s viewpoint, is that a recent data release from the British Health Ministry is the beginning of PROOF that getting the vaccine is starting to make the recipients MORE susceptible to the virus.
AND I QUOTE:
I told you a few weeks ago I was seeing very disturbing data that strongly suggested the jabs were, in some form or fashion, destroying existing immunity or otherwise potentiating more-severe disease. I didn’t have the hard data to quantify it, but I’ve mentioned the drift in the data streams for some time now. It was clear and convincing, but not quantifiable. Until now.
I didn’t then (and still don’t) know the mechanism; I don’t have billions of dollars of lab laying around I can play with. But on the data it was happening; it was not conclusive but the evidence shift was clear in the data pattern; what had been protection from being harmed if you were jabbed was trending toward neutral in the aggregate and anecdotes suggested harm.
Note the right two columns. They adjust for per-100,000, which is the only accurate way to do it — you must adjust raw rates for the population prevalence of the specific condition under test.
This data shows conclusively that for anyone between 40 and 79 being vaccinated makes it more-likely for you to get Covid-19.
That means what you think it does:If you took the jabs you are the plague rat; you are more-likely to get (and thus transmit) the disease than an unvaccinated person.
Britain had studiously avoided publishing the ranged data like this in their updates until now. I don’t know why they did it this time but it doesn’t matter. Their data continues to claim that the jabs are effective in preventing hospitalization anddeath but the exact opposite is true when it comes to getting Covid-19 which means those who are vaccinated may acquire personal protection but in doing so become Angels of Death to others.
If you have trouble with numerical tables here it is in bar charts:
NOW – Gail pointed out some things, and I think our discussion is worth repeating simply for that.
BUT – yes, there is more.
Gail and some of our other Q Treepers have pointed out earlier that the “Faucists” have pulled a fast one on everybody by labeling all people who “get COVID” within 14 days of getting vaccinated as having been “unvaccinated”.
There are a thousand reasons why this is BS, but the most important one is that it can be used to HIDE vaccine adverse events which happen to look almost exactly like COVID because – lo and behold – they are BOTH using the same damn toxic spike protein.
Well, one of the things I noticed was that this disastrously wrong policy – this FRAUD-PROMOTING policy – can also be used to FLIP the relative safety of being vaccinated VERSUS being unvaccinated. In essence, the VACCINE INJURED and the VACCINE FAILED (because immunity was too slow, if it’s reallly COVID and not vaccine injury) are both shoved into “unvaccinated”, which REVERSES BLAME, and in essence “blames the victim” instead of the vaccine – and we know that blaming the victim is a communist specialty.
So, with that in mind, here is our discussion from yesterday:
barkerjim Offline Wolverine September 11, 2021 12:58
Page 16: Death within 60 days of first positive test….. Rate per 100,000 ………………………………………….…(Rate per 100,000)…(Rate per 100,000) AGE…..TOTAL …Not Vax….2 doses……Rec’d 2 doses …….Not Vax >18…..3…………………3…………0……………..0.0 ………………0.0 18-29..24……………….15……..…4……….…….0.1 ……….………0.4 30-39…58…………….…39………12…………….0.2…………..……1.3 40-49…119…………..…67………35………….…0.6…………..……3.9 50-59…234……………122…..….90………….…1.3………………11.8 60-69…401……………146…….227………….…4.0………………26.9 70-79…653……………141…….486……………10.5………………56.9 80+…1,266……………165…..1,052……………40.8………….…129.45 Reply
OK – look at page 15 – the deaths within 28 days of vaccination VS unvaccinated.
Looks favorable to the vaccine – RIGHT?
This is how they gamed things, in order to FLIP the relative values of the last two columns, AND to hide vaccine deaths. So what they do is they count all deaths within 14 days of the vaccination as being due to being UNVACCINATED.
That not only HIDES the vaccine deaths – it flips the values of the 28 day report.
IMO if you have fine-grained data on deaths before scheduled (as a baseline) and AFTER vaccination, what you will see is that there is a characteristic COVID-mimetic death bell-ish curve AFTER vaccination which shows deaths CAUSED by vaccination. All those deaths need to be shifted out of the “non-vaccinated” column into a third column – DEATHS BY VACCINE.
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Wolf Moon Online Admin Coyote Reply to Wolf Moon September 11, 2021 18:13
This is a SMOOTH fake science operation, where media and science media pressure prevents scientists from talking about VACCINE DEATHS.
Another hat tip to GA/FL – she came up with some startling information – link HERE – that CDC is now pulling the same trick, as when they are hiding days 1 through 14, by LIKEWISE calling people UNVACCINATED if it has been over 90 days since their last jab.
The hiding of days 1-14 made sense mostly for hiding vaccine injuries, as well as the slow and migratory pharmacokinetics of the vaccine, and early vaccine failure to immunize. But cutting off at 90 days is the same thing for hiding ADE and failure against variants.
Hopefully, we get as aggressive on their “90 day scam” as we were on their “14 day scam”.
The CDC is now listing vaccinated COVID-19 deaths as UNvaccinated deaths if they die within 14 days of the vaccine.
Wolf Moon Online Admin Coyote Reply to GA/FL September 11, 2021 19:12
Georgia – am I reading that correctly – about the 90 DAY part – that they are basically “unvaccinating the vaccinated” at THREE MONTHS after their last injection?
THAT is HUGE – because that basically keeps most people being classified as unvaccinated.
That is UTTERLY FRAUDULENT, and is being used to HIDE VACCINE FAILURE.
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Wolf Moon Online Admin Coyote Reply to Wolf Moon September 11, 2021 19:13
In theory, the only way to stay “vaccinated” is to get FOUR PER YEAR.
Wolf Moon And that would ALSO be a “convenient” way to DENY the fact that the “vaccines” compromise the recipient’s immune system, making the person MORE vulnerable in real terms to COVID / any of the “variants.” Cases in point: My son and DIL, both MD’s, both “fully vaccinated” in FEBRUARY of this year, both coming down with “breakthrough cases” of COVID in AUGUST.
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It is really becoming apparent that they will cover up using any method, or tell any science lie, to give us these bad vaccines. This kind of pig-headed determination that KILLS people is clearly Soviet, Maoist or Nazi – take your pick.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
A final note, going back to the anonymous whistleblower nurse.
She talks about patients – isolated from family and friends in the lockdown COVID ward – getting REMDESIVIR – a drug which is GUARANTEED to be more useless than any “horse dewormer”.
This is the drug that Fauci the LIAR announced under Trump, and called the new “gold standard of care”.
Oh, Fauci was having fun there.
You see, he was TAUNTING US.
When he said “gold standard”, he was talking about MAKING A LOT OF MONEY – and I would further stipulate they planned to do it with a “goldbrick” drug.
At the time Fauci announced it, we were able to see the study. That study results were actually revealed a day or two before that, and on the news, the stock market reacted badly, because THEY could see what I saw, when I looked at the results.
WORSE than hydroxychloroquine. WORSE than ivermectin. And substantially so. I mean, it was CYNICAL to even suggest that this was an “OK” drug, much less a “gold standard”, when it was WORSE than the results for drugs that THEY said don’t work.
And worse yet, the patients getting remdesivir CLEARLY suffered kidney damage, including going on DIALYSIS. This was all BACKWARDS from reality.
This was not merely my reading of the results. LATER STUDIES confirmed this.
The doctors in this article almost ACCUSE the makers of remdesivir of shaking down patients and insurance, it’s so obvious that the stuff does not work, except to make money.
COZY, this little arrangement. Not necessarily for the People.
That Chinese organization called “WHO” has actually taken notice, and like a stopped clock, is correct in no longer recommending remdesivir.
And suddenly, I remembered something.
Cthulhu had talked about Fauci seeking an AIDS vaccine FIRST, and then going to the toxic drug AZT, which was in itself a plague and a scandal.
Well, we’re seeing BOTH of those scandals again – a vaccine AND a drug for a retrovirus (AGAIN – people are not talking about the ESSENTIAL Jaenisch paper.)
And it’s the SAME GUY.
But NOW, with his former young protege running CDC.
Something is not right here. It’s not just the vaccines, and it’s not just the drugs. AND LOGIC may have a whole bunch of things for Suspicious Cat.
OK, people – I’m being conservative here. There MAY be evidence of immune enhancement in the UK data, but I’m not seeing it. What I am seeing, however, is that – viewed very roughly – deaths from COVID in the UK are now pretty much independent of vaccination status.
And these are THEIR numbers, not mine.
And presumably, this is due to IMMUNE ESCAPE. As predicted by that Italian vaccine expert (see below) who used to work for Bill Gates and CEPI (same thing), who came out on Twitter and said “don’t mass vaccinate in a pandemic”.
And presumably also predicted by Bill Gates and other vaccine pushers with hidden agendas, but that’s all speculation as to motive. The DATA, however, is not speculation.
I was led to this data by an interesting path that is worth documenting.
First, I was reading comments on one of the most excellent articles ever written on Coronavirus fascism and the push back against it.
I absolutely urge you to read this article. It is a CALL TO ARMS. LINKED ARMS.
People are rising up against the LIES of the Corona Commies, and this article documents all the flip-flop lies.
Back to the story. THIS story. Unpacking one more lie.
There was a comment on the article that I found very interesting.
AL Tru
Research Reveals Vaccinated People More Vulnerable to Delta Variant Than Unvaccinated:
“ The UK government agency Public Health England published a report on Friday that officials who are trying to push the Covid-19 vaccine upon the rest of the world do not want people to see. Data contained within their report revealed people who have received the Covid-19 vaccine are more vulnerable to the Delta variant than those who have not been vaccinated. Their briefing titled “SARS-Cov-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England,” investigated every variant of covid-19 that is currently known. The information contained in the report showed that people who received the covid-19 shot are more than three times likely to die than those who have not received the vaccine. Out of 117 people who died over a time period of four weeks, 73 of them had received the covid-19 vaccine. That means 63 percent of those who died from the Delta variant had been vaccinated. Information within the chart that can be found on pages 13 and 14 of the report revealed that one of the people who died received their first dose of the covid-19 vaccine within three weeks of when they died. 19 of them had been vaccinated more than three weeks before they died. 50 of the people who died during the four week time span had received both doses of the covid-19 vaccine.”
MOLOGIC Corp. – Bill Gates and George $oros. the new Covid rapid test.
$oylent Greed
There was no link, but bypassing this problem by a handy method which you may guess but which I will not reveal, I found the source.
This blog post was not afraid to link to sources (thank you), even though I remain skeptical of the post itself (more on that in a moment), since I think the conclusions may not be warranted, and without the author showing work, I do NOT come to the same conclusions.
Well, there are LINKS right in the article to the ACTUAL DATA, so why not check it out?
There is a LOT of interesting data here, and I think that guys like Alex Berensen will get a LOT out of it.
I don’t see how the data prove a factor of three worse for the vaccinated. Let me show what is said.
The key claim is this:
The information contained in the report showed that people who received the covid-19 shot are more than three times likely to die than those who have not received the vaccine.
Out of 117 people who died over a time period of four weeks, 73 of them had received the covid-19 vaccine. That means 63 percent of those who died from the Delta variant had been vaccinated. Information within the chart that can be found on pages 13 and 14 of the report revealed that one of the people who died received their first dose of the covid-19 vaccine within three weeks of when they died. 19 of them had been vaccinated more than three weeks before they died. 50 of the people who died during the four week time span had received both doses of the covid-19 vaccine.
Here is the data itself, from the UK report.
Without digging too deeply, some thoughts.
the “3-fold” assertion by the author doesn’t seem to account for the fact that most people in England are vaccinated, even though the level is not as high as Israel (roughly 70% vs. roughly 90%). Maybe I’m reading this wrong, but I’m just not seeing it.
Even the correlation with numbers of shots seems merely to reflect numbers of the fully and partially vaccinated available for infection (I’m just guessing at rough numbers for any cumulative process).
However, very shockingly, I’m not seeing any kind of protection from death, by vaccination status, either way. THAT matches immune escape.
England is mostly delta variant now, so the assertion by authorities and Branch Covidians that people are protected against death from delta by the vaccines seems sketchy if we’re kind, FRAUDULENT if we’re more blunt, and most likely propaganda to keep vaccinating.
the “3-fold” assertion DOES in fact match the roughly 3-fold ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated in the UK (documented HERE by the UK authorities), and thus one can make a very simple argument that the data are showing UK nakedness to the delta variant when the metric is simply DEATH by COVID.
I sure would love to see data on not just the unvaccinated, but the RECOVERED, because I suspect they’re like the Israeli data showing the superiority of disease-conferred immunity – otherwise known as the 1970’s logic that you don’t create vaccines for colds – you catch them, treat them, and don’t use them cynically to install “communism with Western characteristics”.
Sweden is looking good – WHY? – my guess is because of large numbers of the NATURALLY IMMUNE. Lockdown stalled natural immunity elsewhere. This even explains the “corrected” Australian data. The world is a laboratory now, rich in data.
Bottom line, I think we need to go back to that virologist / epidemiologist with ties to CEPI (Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche) who posted on Twitter – the guy who said that mass vaccination into a pandemic was a mistake.
We are DEFINITELY seeing immune escape. Put all your money on it.
Are we also seeing immune enhancement? I am tempted to bet big on THAT, too. And even if NOT right now, it only takes one Wuhan Institute and one nearby Chinese prison full of human guinea pigs to find the perfect variant to make immune enhancement a fast and effective reality.
Sociobiological warfare is a bit slower than flat-out biological warfare, but it’s very hard to stop.
I believe that Dr. Vanden Bossche was being honest, and now I believe he was RIGHT.
Excellent updates on his website – I urge you to check them out (specific links below).
If you don’t TRUST the UK stats, there is one more possibility. They could be HIDING immune enhancement by selectively dropping out data. I view it as entirely possible that they chose to hide the vaccine-halting horrors of immune enhancement by quietly admitting to mere immune escape, and hoping we would pick that up, as I have done here. I have no proof, nor any indications, but others may find some telltale evidence in the data, or elsewhere.
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My old ask to PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT was getting stale.
TIME FOR NEW
It’s time to PRAY for those around Trump – all those people who we don’t trust as much as Trump, but who President Trump DEPENDS ON, every day, to GET THE JOB DONE.
I’m not going to pick out anybody by name – that is for YOU to decide.
But I want you to PRAY FOR OTHERS to lift up this President, so that he, too, can SEE THE POWER OF PRAYER even more clearly through them!
Doesn’t matter who it is – even NAMELESS people who may see his pen and signature. Even anonymous patriots who protect him and us every day. Even his wife, his Vice President, and thousands of others – pray for them all to LIFT UP PRESIDENT TRUMP in all possible ways!
And ONE final prayer request. Pray for the Trump brothers, specifically.
My condolences to Pres @realdonaldtrump on the passing of his younger brother Robert. Losing a sibling is a terrible thing made so much worse by all the suffering in the world right now from the #coronavirus. I wish the President and his family Gd's comfort in this difficult time
I have a great article coming, so I will keep this short. For now I want to encourage you to think about WAYS OF SUBVERTING the masks that DUMB US DOWN FOR CHINA.
We all know those brave souls who stand up to mask mandates openly, but not all of us are able to weather those storms. Some have tried and have felt beaten and demoralized. Some are leery to even try.
Too many people who ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be wearing masks are being FORCED TO DO SO by “Karen World”.
"Doctors do it" is simply not a health proof – particularly coming from a profession (I have known many) which often requires or encourages an incredible amount of self-abuse, such as sleep deprivation.
The question of mask/brain O2 deficit and CO2 excess is readily answered.
I want to instill QUIET COLONIST REBELLION against hypoxia-inducing, cognition-decreasing, DANGEROUS masks.
Think about ways to rebel against the MASK NAZIS, and be ready for my article!
ChiCom Risks
Yes – let’s follow the story from useful idiot MASK NAZIS back to CHINAZIS.
Even Twitter is now waking up to the fact that China is doing everything possible to destroy America, and you will see this in my upcoming article on useless, dangerous, China-imposed MASKS, very shortly.
If Twitter has decided to END its hypocrisy in going after ONLY Trump, by labeling CHINA TWEETS as what they are, then at least their censorship is a little more even-handed, but I also think (at)jackboot is getting wise to the fact that CCP is using DNC like a rented mule. CCP doesn’t care if they destroy DNC during their get-away.
And that’s just the beginning…..
China’s Thousand Talents Plan recruits foreign researchers, including Americans, and offers monetary incentives to hand their research over to Beijing. We need to stop the #CCP’s systematic campaign to steal their way to the top.https://t.co/gU2J7rtwYI
I am still SHOCKED by the indictment of Harvard’s *DEPARTMENT HEAD* Charles Lieber. Talk about going straight for the top. Top administrator at a top chemistry university.
Say what you will about Wray – this was a HUGE bust. Never in my wildest dreams.
Yes – what I saw in science was alarming. I was RIGHT THERE in the middle of a bunch of the world’s sketchiest ChiComs – AND YET I never heard ANYTHING about their “Thousand Talents” (OF SILVER) bribery program. That’s how well they kept this under wraps. And SMART, too – they must have known I would have raised a flag if I knew about Thousand Talents.
Sure, maybe I had nothing they wanted, but I never heard scuttlebutt of this program from ANYBODY.
Of course, maybe they only show researchers the “Thousand Talents” contract after the “perky little tits” have been shoved at potential recipients one time too many. I did “almost run into” some of that action.
Notice the name? The cunning joke of betrayal as a subtext? That is CLASSIC CHICOM. They love to CROW over their victims, with the victims not realizing what is going on. Or maybe the sell-outs DO realize that they’re selling out, because they have little choice, or it gets worse.
There is NO AMOUNT OF KARMA that the ChiComs don’t deserve here.
There is some talk that BANNON is a victim of CCP shenanigans. My thoughts…..
This guy is supposedly an anti-Chicom activist . . . but WSJ story says in fact he may be a double agent. Bannon may have been had.
Without even looking, I can tell you that "controlled opposition" in the China camp is filled with ringers and manipulable fools. Just like Russia AND Ukraine are both filled with "ex"-Soviet peril, China, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia – all are deadly on ChiCom risks.
The ChiComs can use ANYBODY. but they prefer white-face and black-face in America, because it's easy and leaves no fingerprints, so why not? They get HK to "help" in their sleep. Bannon's happy-go-lucky footsie with HK just made me cringe, TBH. "Too casual" is his weakness.
Bottom line – anybody who gets anywhere NEAR ChiComs or WHO THEY TOUCH is at risk. They will MESS WITH YOU in any way they can. They will SNAKE you with influence, spying, exfiltration, sabotage, or life and reputation damage through whatever means are possible.
It’s a real shame that one has to be CAREFUL A.F. with even the nicest, most honest, communist-hating Chinese Americans, but even ABC (American-born Chinese) are deeply and heavily infiltrated and influenced by the ChiComs, and if you have a Chinese spouse or “significant other”, prepare for dangerous and “interesting” times!
Reality doesn’t care about “it sure would be nice if everything and everybody was on the up and up”.
That ain’t the way it is.
Dealing With AQQusing Libs
Right now, when “Q” has been brought to the foreground by Fake News attacking POTUS, there may be a temptation to hang back. DON’T. There has never been a time like now to just dump Epstein and company all over the left. We own everything but “cannibals”, and who knows what is coming? And while you’re at it, jump up and down on “The Hoax” for all you’re worth! The HOAX that Q got right, and THEY got wrong.
Hilarious that Fake News threw "cannibals" in there JUST TO MAKE SURE that it wan't obviously true, since Democrat bundlers, aides, millionaires and interns arrested in the last few years on child porn or human trafficking charges are pretty much a satanic cult of pedophiles. https://t.co/pmfwrDqdO3pic.twitter.com/BU6EaHNwvl
OK, maybe not cannibals, Fake News. Grand jury is still out there. But – well – Trump seems to have done something about global elite pedophile satanists and managed to shutter their temple! pic.twitter.com/AvnyWJEjNb
"Columbia". Wasn't Comey's nerdy BFF who helped in the lawfare coup from there? Seems to be a magnet with credibility cover for a lot of unsavory types. pic.twitter.com/iMxeWuBXZH
Here are some selections from a RANT THREAD on Twitter…..
The only "toxic and dangerous conspiracy" I see is the ridiculous phony Democrat "news" that has reached Soviet levels of cringe. The fact that an anonymous TROLLING PSY-OP and its followers – urged to be PEACEFUL and TRUTHFUL – can drive these Bolshie betas nuts? Beautiful. https://t.co/STnYsP19uo
Yeah, these faux journalists are scared – and they should be. To even characterize QAnon as a "conspiracy" is just DUMB at levels a 1970's pre-progzi high-school paper would not fall for.
A "conspiracy" is what Hillary and her supporters did to TRUMP. AND WE HAVE PROOF.
One of the things I find devastating to the left is to make sure they understand they are reacting to a PSY-OP. I’m careful not to call QAnon “just” a psy-op – that diminishes a TRUTH PROJECT, and such things are grand endeavors. Q is way more than just a psy-op or a troll against the Fake News. But TWISTING the Q phenomenon off their shill position that it’s a “conspiracy” or a “conspiracy theory” is exactly where I love to go, in proving that THEY are not reporting it correctly.
They know it’s a psy-op aimed at them, and they can’t report it.
MAKE. THEM. GROVEL. IN. THEIR. FAKE. NEWS. DENIAL.
People say "psy-op" like it's a bad thing. This nation's FLAG and ANTHEM celebrate a successful psy-op against the British. A beautiful operation where more people gave their lives for a psychological victory than a naval tactical one. Absolutely inspiring.
This [Q-3]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid
OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.
Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.
I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!!
I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.
Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.
TheseTruths
I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!
"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF
SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.
NOW – here is my problem.
Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.
So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.
keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
on The U Tree
I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.
Thanks!
The LancetGateEffect
Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.
This is the article that brought it to my attention:
I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.
Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….
… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….
That was me.
DP, Ginger, and others.
Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go
AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL….. [start of a long comment]
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…
HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.
So what say you?
Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?
THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.
We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.
For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.
I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.
In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.
If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.
There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.
Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.
Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.
If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.
So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.
Ivermectin & COVID-19
Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.
I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.
If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.
This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.
The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!
Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.
What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?
“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.
Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:
less vents
more steroids
better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
more oxygen earlier
better testing, all kinds
As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.
Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.
It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.
It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.
The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.
If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.
Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.
On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic
Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.
If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.
SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.
Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.
A match made in HELL.
Anyway – here is the deal.
We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.
don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation
In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.
By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.
Masks OFF
The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.
I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.
Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.
Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.
I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.
Please dig up EVERY LINK that you can find of anti-HCQ and post it here. Be sure to include a description, including WHO exactly is referenced, to save people time when they go through comments.
Also, I highly recommend SCREENSHOTS, ARCHIVES, etc., and please provide LINKS to any screenshots or archives.
I would love for this blog to be a major contributor to the list of WHO (pun NOW intended) is responsible for anti-HCQ treachery.
Even if somebody is just repeating propaganda, it may help lead back to the source.
This [(10*Q) + 7]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY where Q = 0 open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
The following is an excerpt from the brief being filed today in Maryland state court in Attkisson v. Rosenstein and others for the government computer intrusions.
Plaintiff Sharyl Attkisson, an award-winning journalist—along with her husband and child—have tried for years to pursue their significant and credible claims of illegal government surveillance, but the U.S. Government has stonewalled them at every turn. Yet, despite the Government’s repeated efforts to obfuscate and delay, the Attkissons detailed in their Complaint:
Expert forensic computer analysis of the Attkissons’ computers, revealing that an unauthorized entity or entities gained remote access to the Attkissons’ computers for a prolonged period, and that one of the pathways by which the intrusions occurred were IP addresses controlled by the U.S. Government.
Confirmation, via testimony, that the U.S. Government controlled the IP addresses identified in the Attkissions’ computers.
The degree to which senior figures in the Department of Justice were concerned about, and took steps to block, Sharyl Attkisson’s reporting, as well as her use of confidential governmental sources;
Many documented instances of abnormal, otherwise unexplained behavior of the Attkissons’ computer systems and devices.
But then it gets interesting…..
Plaintiffs’ investigator has interviewed Ryan White, a Government whistleblower (and named Defendant). During this interview, White made the following significant assertions:
White worked with defendants Sean Bridges (who was then a Secret Service agent) and the FBI’s Shawn Henry in Baltimore and reported directly to defendant Rod Rosenstein.
White and Agent Bridges were ordered to conduct various clandestine operations involving hacking computer systems, servers, emails, and phones.
White and Agent Bridges were directly involved in the illegal surveillance of the Attkissons’ computers and the exfiltration of data.
The rogue order to target the Attkissons came directly from Agent Henry and Rosenstein.
Later, Agent Bridges and another federal agent were convicted of corrupt acts for their involvement in the Government’s notorious Silk Road Task Force, also based in Baltimore, in which corruption by federal agents was uncovered, resulting in the convictions of Bridges and another federal agent.
As far as I can tell, the surveillance of journalists at that point (2009-2012) was coming from Obama and ERIC HOLDER. So if Rosey was working Holder’s game under Obama, this fits in perfectly with everything I know about DOJ intentions and actions during the first 2 years of the Trump White House, when Rosey and Holder’s lieutenant Tashina Gauhar were running the show.
Rosey sure looks like a black hat to me. But I’m listening. If Rosey was an informant, then WHO was he informing under Obama and Mueller, as Mueller was clearly allowing spying on Attkisson, and planting of incriminating documents on her laptop?
But let’s move on, since Rosey’s guilt or innocence may be reflected in any upcoming indictments…..
Trump’s tweet on the getaway is wonderful. Sundance clearly SAVED it, lest it disappear. Or DID IT ALREADY? I cannot find it.
ANYWHO – indictments are very likely coming SOON.
This is worth a listen (in thread). I take it as a tip that there will be some predictable turbulence when indictments hit, and security has already prepared for it. Seatbelts. https://t.co/pUx0Xui5K3pic.twitter.com/0B2ZAGrCBw
Scientifically, this is exactly where I was when Didier Raoult (or Raoult Didier – whatever his name is) published his first “pay dirt” data with demonstrable dose-related antiviral activity in ALL test subjects. His numbers can be off by a factor of 50%, and it’s still huge and can’t be explained away as anything but SOME kind of real effect.
Numbers like these are either massive fraud or pay dirt. And they could be real nuggets. With a solid, known antiviral explanation, it’s almost certainly REAL.
Now – let’s take a look at a country a bit off the commonly argued map. You don’t hear a lot about COVID-19 in Turkey. Here’s why.
The situation isn’t done in Turkey – they are teetering very close to lockdowns. Turkey is trying the same thing as Trump – avoiding lockdowns. A lot of information on how hard that has been, in this article.
Scott Adams found Turkey’s claimed near-100% effectiveness of contact tracing a bit unbelievable, and I have to agree – it’s not easy to either prove or disprove such a claim, but in a country like Turkey, it should be nearly impossible to contact everybody catching the disease.
Who believes Turkey has an extensive testing/tracing network that is making a difference? https://t.co/HMvMWsSekb
NEVERTHELESS, those people who DO get caught by contact tracing ARE very likely to live, if they are getting HCQ as early as possible. See how that works? The more the tracers catch, the more contacts they find, the more contacted contacts are WAITING FOR SYMPTOMS with their HCQ in hand, and the more likely the HCQ is going to work. Clearly, [HCQ + contact tracing] makes sense. BUT here is the deal. People have to TRUST the government behind it.
Not exactly easy in New York.
Moving on, HERE is the biggie. I call it the “LancetGate Effect”.
Yes, that would be THE Steven Hatfill, falsely accused by Mueller in the 2001 anthrax attacks.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
Peter Navarro – THE KILLER – tweeted the article.
Dr. Steven Hatfill's clutch hit. Best take down of anti-Trump Hydroxy Hysteria media this side of @ScottAdamsSays CNN might be killing tens of thousands. https://t.co/b4ThfIaQvG
And then I introduced HIM to something even more shocking.
There was a LancetGate Effect in The United States.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
Now – I’m not going to show you this – you have to dig to find – but in the wake of my comments, Daughn came in for an assist, and we were then both engaged by HCQ opponents. One kept emphasizing that FDA head Hahn, who was in charge when the EUA was rescinded, is a Trump appointee – like this was going to bother me somehow.
NO. TRUTH IS TRUTH.
I thought this was clearly an attempt to generate “Alinsky fears” – specifically POLITICS BEFORE SCIENCE, because it might hurt Trump or Hahn, as a way of shutting me up.
NONSENSE!
Hahn, as I tried to explain, has his own mind. I LIKE THAT. It’s like the way things used to be. I believe that Trump hired him because Hahn is a strong believer in FAST TRACKING new drugs, like Trump is. A believer in TRUMP TIME. Hahn’s opinion on HCQ, wrong as it turns out to be, is secondary. This is WAR, people make mistakes, people die. Generals and Colonels live with this horrible responsibility, and WE SOLDIERS SUPPORT THEM.
BUCK UP, WORLD. We do our best, we trust in God, but we do NOT lie and cover up when we understand error. People have been all over the place on HCQ, but when the chips come in STRONGLY that it works, and even more so that banning it is a PROVABLE mistake, we have to consider CHANGING COURSE.
One way to do that would be to listen to Dr. Zelenko and have a NEW EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for HCQ – this time without Rick Bright’s toxic “hospitals only” poison pill attached.
YES! We can RECOVER from the LancetGate blunder by doing what Zelenko suggests.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
HCQ Insights
One way to make Zelenko’s new EUA actually happen would be to INCLUDE NEW DRUGS – albeit handled DIFFERENTLY from HCQ, as part of the EUA.
I call this the “EUA EUA“.
“Early Use of Antivirals Emergency Use Authorization”
The way this would work is to grant flexibility to doctors WORKING WITH pharmaceutical companies and state governments to try new antivirals early in the disease process upon confirmed diagnosis. HCQ is well-tested, and as the “standard of this EUA”, it becomes the GOLD STANDARD of safety and efficacy for other newer drugs to beat, using whatever delivery tricks and codrugs make these other drugs work best. Those drugs need every advantage we can find for them, just like South Korea (zinc), Didier Rauout (azithromycin), and Zelenko (zinc + azithromycin, very early) found for HCQ.
One of my rationales here is that we can reduce or even remove toxicity from the equation by low-dosing a lot of these drugs, since EARLY use can mean less drug needed for the more toxic ones. In some ways, what I am doing here is learning from sabotage studies of HCQ, which used massive and toxic doses LATE. We are doing the opposite – trying to “help” alternatives to HCQ by giving THEM access to patients at the same time when HCQ works best. Some – maybe even most patients may still opt for HCQ, but others may welcome new drugs like EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, the latter of which may prove to be effective not just late, but early as well.
The point is, get EVERYBODY early, so we remove the incentive to let patients deteriorate, which is now “imposed” on drugs which need desperate patients for “right to try”. The EUA, in essence, would EXPAND right to try to early or even asymptomatic patients – not just patients at death’s door.
The EUA EUA *removes* any incentive to delay treatment, or to bash HCQ, but at the same time, it doesn’t blockade new drugs from access to patients at the time when THEY might be very effective, too, which our current system, weirdly, does.
WIN, WIN, WIN.
#LancetGate had a terrible price! #HCQ bans and discouragements KILL.
I think a new EUA that included both #HCQ *and* other drugs in the pipeline having antiviral actions, FOR EARLY USE (badly needed for antivirals) is the big life-saver, that would get buy-in from Big Pharma. pic.twitter.com/Dt3Fb5NXUZ
This will not only help absolve @US_FDA on the #LancetGate-effect downside of rescinding the prior EUA (by compensating quickly) – it will provide HCQ as an automatic standard to beat with new agents in compassionate horse-races EARLY. Basically moves up "right to try".
The fundamental problem we're ALL facing is what @zev_dr saw first – antivirals need to be early, but we perpetually move risks LATE in treatment (for good reasons). But I believe super-early and *LOW DOSE* may be KEY to next-gen agents AND antiviral therapies, avoiding tox.
I'm very excited about EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, with the latter now in use LATE. Opening up early treatment and letting HCQ be the punching bag old coach standard will breed champions. pic.twitter.com/MWGHYWG8eh
NOW – about HCQ alleged toxicity. Here is an AR-15 of logic to take down trolls.
It’s important to address the cardiac toxicity issue head on, because that “problem” is really a deflection by people who “pretend not to know” how minor the problem really is, ESPECIALLY compared to LIVES SAVED.
This is JUST AS TRUE as it was with MALARIA.
Yup. MAMET PRINCIPLE. And behind that – AUBERGINE’S RAZOR.
Systematic review of cardiac complications attributed to routine hydroxychloroquine use…
From the years 1963-2017:
– Only 50 events of cardiac toxicity (since 1963!) – Total of 12 deaths – Median patient had been taking HCQ daily for 8 YEARShttps://t.co/5hgnw6qccH
Now – here is one reason I think that NON-VACCINATION AND TREATMENT is an important option.
One of the primary reasons to use HCQ instead of a vaccine, is the likelihood that coronavirus vaccines will cause immune overreaction TO infection by the disease, instead of actual protection FROM infection.
This is a nice article which introduces you to Dr. Peter Hotez, vaccine maker, vaccine advocate, but also vaccine truth-teller on immune enhancement. Hotez is somebody very difficult for the MSM to downplay and crush. At least, SO FAR.
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.
“We just could not generate much interest,” a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.
March 5, 2020, 4:30 AM EST / Updated March 8, 2020, 4:23 PM EDT
There will be more talk about immune enhancement later. Be prepared. It’s a very “sciencey” argument AGAINST mandatory vaccination. It is a much more EFFECTIVE argument than “I don’t trust Bill Gates” – even though the latter is a HUGE motivator for most people.
And now THIS.
Time To Go To WAR Over Hydroxychloroquine
What are we up against?
Something that runs us over if we DON’T put it down.
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AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
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Twitter Alternative Twetch
OK – this is weird, but it finally makes sense. This is very geeky, but I think all of you will get it at a high level. It’s the mechanics where it gets tricky.
Remember when Andrew Torba of Gab was talking about social media “on the blockchain” that would be invulnerable to censorship? Torba was really enamored of the idea, even though he never did it – probably for scale reasons.
Back then, I have to admit that I didn’t really understand the concept, but now I do.
The way I stumbled into this is subtle. It’s a story. Here’s the story.
There is a guy I follow on Twitter named “@desantis”. He’s a very interesting mind, like a lot of people I know, but he is in a corner by himself, of the people I happen to know.
Desantis is part of the “crypto geek community”. They’re a strange bunch. In some ways, they’re in love with money, which – for various reasons – I am suspicious of, but which I totally get the DOWNSIDE of.
But crypto geeks don’t love money like misers – they love it like an idea, so they’re actually very unique and pleasant and I like their tribe, even though I’m not really even an honorary member.
Within that tribe, Desantis is a great medicine man, or perhaps the great priest in Jerusalem. The crypto geeks all bow before Desantis, it sometimes seems, yet he’s a bit of a hermit.
Desantis “gets” things at a very high level – that is his game and drive. He does not want to tarry on the details, which can be very hard. Steve, Scott, and Cthulhu here are all people who understand that details are important, and how reality actually happens. Somebody has to sort that shit out. My father was like that, incidentally. I am a detail person, too, but I love it when I get “general”.
Desantis – who calls himself a “generalist” – is almost allergic to details, except when he prepares small examples on what are essentially proofs on the backs of napkins. Of the generalities he gets, many are what “specificists” consider trivial, worthless, or mere byproduct of their work. But some of the things Desantis notices are really quite profound, and some are beautiful. Many are almost hard to put into WORDS. That is just TOO COOL.
Desantis is almost addicted to a kind of glass bead game where you can’t talk about the game too specifically or you spoil it.
Of course, many consider such types of thinkers to be near-crackpots, and they can be very frustrating to understand. However, once I found Desantis on Twitter, I loved the beauty of some of the things he saw, and thus I endeavored to be more like him. He became one of my muses.
NOTE that Desantis was followed by Jack Dorsey. Sometimes they conversed in “Desantis-level-cool-speak”. Yes. I would not be surprised if some Desantis ideas were used, stolen, riffed on, or patented. At the very least, warning of the threat he posed was given to the Cabal.
Anyway, I stopped seeing Desantis ANYWHERE. I assumed that he blocked me for my conservative views about Trump, but when I went looking for his posts – BOOM – it turned out that I was not blocked – he was simply not there. He was GONE.
I dug further. It seemed that Desantis was UNFOLLOWED by Jack because of “Twetch” starting. AH! Maybe THAT is where Desantis went!
Twetch is a weird marriage of blockchain, crypto, and Twitter, that is “on the blockchain” to some extent, so that it can’t be shut down, in the same way that bitcoin cannot be shut down.
Now I’m not going to get into that whole world, but here is the deal. In order to follow Desantis again, I made an account on Twetch, and I could use a friend or two to help me explore it, by posting and (and I hate this part – Black Elk – forgive me) making enough digital money to follow and “tip” the people like Desantis that I went there to follow.
SO – if any of you feel experimental, then please – start here and click away. We can experiment with making followers for free, because I have no money on Twetch.
Muchas gracias!
https://twetch.app/
My homepage:
Note both 2 and from. Lucky me!
That is what I was talking about, and why I took this journey.
NEXT….
OTC HCQ = National Security Requirement
This was posted here. It is a critical read.
Imagine this intelligence coming into a LOYAL CIA, not in sympathy (if not league) with the ChiNazi coronavirus “globalism-forcing” strategy.
I then re-posted it to Twitter (with permission):
Interestingly, this was shortly after I posted the following on a different thread:
Text version:
wolfmoon1776 July 29, 2020 at 11:56
OTC HCQ is a big deal. I would welcome it, despite the fact that RIGHT NOW, for COVID-19 I think it is best taken under a doctor’s prescription and supervision.
So WHY do I want it OTC?
So that supply lines are SOLID and we have enough to treat the whole nation overnight.
Why do we need that much HCQ?
COVID-20 and COVID-21.
WHUUUUT?
CHICOM-DEMOCRAT 4GW BIOWARFARE.
If CCP-DNC releases a NEW coronavirus, we need a general cure to disarm it IMMEDIATELY, without tanking the economy, and HCQ is beyond likely – meaning almost certain – to fulfill that mission.
America needs a PRE-CURE for coronaviruses. HCQ is that drug.
If you are following the vaccine development efforts – many of them – very expensive – using YOUR tax dollars – then even if you LIKE vaccines, you understand perfectly well that vaccine development is SLOW and PAINFUL.
MANY of these vaccines are using VERY SMART “re-usable” “platforms” – meaning that they can be used for lots of different vaccines, without a lot of “foundational” development. This is, in fact, why many of the vaccines started up SO QUICKLY – the developers simply swapped in something NEW – like new DNA, mRNA, or a recombinant protein, instead of “SARS” or “Ebola” or even “flu”.
SO – understand – even with all this massive effort and expense, using “fast” vaccine technology, we are STILL looking at about a year to develop a RISKY vaccine – risky because these vaccines will all be risky for many patients, especially those who HAD the disease, or those who WILL GET IT anyway. Those patients were NOT trialed. The vaccines will NOT be safe for them.
One year? One year, MINIMUM? One year, minimum, if YET ANOTHER disease “gets out” in that weird country where all diseases seem to mysteriously come from, namely CHINA?
Turns out that many of these diseases just happen to be coronaviruses, which just happen to be of huge interest to science right now, with lots of chimeric proteins being made – meaning ARTIFICIAL virus pieces (OH, but they would never put those pieces published in the journals together! NO, NEVER!)
Y’all starting to understand? What I am saying is NOT misinformation. It is simple, horrifying TRUTH.
Scientists in America, China, and everywhere else experiment with Frankenstein versions of these viruses – very specifically, the “arms and legs and body and internal organs” of these viruses. These Frankenstein monster viruses are actually quite simple, because the “organs” inside them are merely the blueprints for the arms, legs, and body. AND – remember this – those very same “blueprints” are USED to generate the arms, legs and body, that are used in these tests.
If you suddenly say “well that’s the whole damn thing”, then yes. Read on.
In other words, vaccine researchers have a “plausible reason” to create both the Frankenstein arms and legs of chimeric viruses, and because they have THAT plausible reason – AND DO USE IT – they also have a plausible reason to create the genetic instructions for the Frankenstein arms and legs and body – AND THEY USE THAT, TOO.
SO – let’s add things up. The scientists have reason to, and in fact do, create ALL THE PIECES needed to construct chimeric (meaning Frankenstein) viruses. The only thing which prevents them from doing it is……….. well, they may have SAID they would not do it.
Y’all starting to get how dangerous this is? And NOW – let me nuke anybody who argues with it.
Even if, for any reason, you said BUT BUT BUT, then I can simply say “China not only CAN get all the different, non-cross-immunity-granting, “novel” coronaviruses that it wants, by taking them from bats…….. THEY ALREADY DID IT.
So – get this – China is sitting on dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of “novel coronaviruses”, many or most of which don’t grant complete or even significant immunity to the others. And that’s just talking about the ones China let us know about. They could have some bat coronas that are SCARY dangerous that they never told us about.
So – that is the situation.
National security involves RISK MANAGEMENT.
We have a drug, that seems to work, very generally, against coronaviruses. That drug has a strong safety record. It’s called hydroxychloroquine, or HCQ.
If it even POSSIBLY works on another bat coronavirus, avian coronavirus, or synthetic coronavirus, and does so in a timeframe faster than a vaccine can be developed, then HCQ availability becomes a dead simple and unarguable national security objective.
There is only one nation that would NOT want us to prepare for that possibility. That nation is CHINA. The only people who are NOT China who would want us to not prepare for that possibility are ON CHINA’S SIDE.
What this does is makes HCQ a kind of WHEAT/CHAFF SORTER.
Yes. Enemies of the people. Or their “controlled opposition”.
It’s VERY simple to use this wheat/chaff sorter. VERY EASY.
USE IT. And USE IT NOW.
"Air Claire" has just helped me prove that #HCQ OCT is an unarguable NATSEC objective. The "Muh Russia" scam protects CHINA. Why China? Because HCQ can fight ANY corona released by China. Think about it. Aire Claire is protecting CHINA'S EDGE.
I was going to discuss this, but then realized I didn’t have time to put this HUGE subject together.
But then I realized I actually had a PLACEHOLDER.
SO let’s entertain the Stalinist Holderites with the thought of WHAT’S COMING.
Get Wiser Than Solomon On Anna Chapman
John Solomon has a GREAT new book out – FALLOUT – which tracks SPYGATE back to URANIUM ONE.
To get a taste of what was found by John Solomon and Seamus Bruner, there is a GREAT interview of Solomon and Bruner by the Epoch Times.
Many thanks to Jan and the great Epoch Times team for this in-depth interview on Russia scandal and our new book Fallout. Was ‘Russia Collusion’ a Diversion From the Real Scandal?—John Solomon & Seamus Bruner Talk Spygate https://t.co/Gb9LbioRwD
The first 18:10 of the video cover the fact that “Spygate” actually goes back to the BEGINNINGS of the Obama administration, and center around URANIUM ONE. The mind-boggling “negligence” of the Obama administration is on full display.
Negligence. YEAH, RIGHT.
I REPEAT.
I repeat.
Now – there are a LOT of things I can say about this interview – with which I am in 90+% agreement. In particular, I could “go big” on how the authors are either intentionally or subconsciously holding back from the full accusation of REVERSO – that Obama and Hillary weren’t just being LIARS, accusing Trump of “collusion” with Russia. I could say that Obama and Hillary were actually IN LEAGUE with Russia, giving Russia both uranium AND Crimea for a VERY nice price. I could fit the CLINTONS directly into the long chain of events leading from the uranium-spying Rosenbergs and the polonium spy George Koval, to THIS VERY MOMENT, as part of Stalin’s plan to slowly denuclearize the United States.
BRIBES? Or FUNDING FOR THE INFILTRATION?
HOWEVER….
I am going to go smaller.
Staring at 18:10 until 24:32, a very important sub-story comes up, and HOW one interprets it is very important.
The story goes into ANNA CHAPMAN…..
WHOOPS! My bad!
I’m quite the fan of Maria Butina, Putin’s and Hillary’s useful cowgirl gun lover, who was given the “James Wolfe” kid glove treatment by Jussie K. Lie and Robert M. K. Mueller, and then kicked out of America with a velvet boot, as fast as they could hide her from scrutiny. But that’s not Anna Chapman.
THIS is Anna Chapman!
More details, including her relationships to both Skripal and Snowden.
I urge you to listen to the video from 18:10-24:32.
One of the KEY points is that the Anna Chapman spy ring was [allegedly] rolled up because a spy (not Chapman) was getting close to Hillary Clinton, trying to get a job in the State Department, after getting in close with a “friend of Hillary”.
Note that this is EXACTLY what should have happened with TRUMP, if Carter Page was actually a problem. But it DID NOT happen.
Funny, that.
Solomon goes on to explain that this was all explained to him. He was told by Daniel Hoffman, the CIA station chief in Moscow at the time of Anna Chapman and Uranium One, that Russia was just playing games of tainting both sides and ginning up mutual suspicions and turmoil.
That all sounds so nice and good. But yet they all understood this wonderful truth in Hillary’s case, but not in Trump’s case.
Funny, that.
And yet we see that Curtains Comey publicly goes along with this line of thinking, but PRIVATELY keeps the illegal, unjustified, and PHONY special counsel alive, pretending not to KNOW that it should have been CLOSED.
Funny, that.
In my opinion, what Hoffman told Solomon is the GASLIGHTING OF REVERSO.
Whether Hoffman was hiding Russian assistance to Hillary for investigative reasons (meaning, he was following the reverso), or to HELP her (as part of the reverso), is not clear.
The point being – my point – Anna Chapman was USED intentionally to “clean up” Hillary.
In my opinion, these DEMOCRATS and their MEDIA, in COLLUSION with the Russian “taint both sides” PUBLIC strategy, are able to help Russia PRIVATELY and DIFFERENTIALLY support the treasonous Democrats by what appears to be a neutral strategy ON THEIR END.
It’s VERY smart.
In the case of HILLARY, rolling up the spy ring was used to GIVE HILLARY COVER as a patriot – which of course is NOT TRUE. She goes on to give Russia all the American uranium it wants.
In the case of Trump, investigating a phony spy ring was used not to COVER Trump, but to cast suspicion on him. The strategy was made “safe for Russia” by using Western assets. If it fell through, as it did, Russia gets off clean, and Democrats take the hit at a lower level – CORRUPTION, NOT TREASON.
See how that works? Like I say – SMART.
Listen to the video AFTER 24:10. The interviewer, Jan Jekielek, gently tries to get the authors to lean forward on what I might call DISINFORMATION DIFFERENTIAL as a Russian “active measure” to support the treasonous Democrats, but NO BITEY.
Now I don’t know why Solomon can’t or won’t say this. Maybe America is not ready. Maybe he would be “getting out in front of his skis” with that accusation.
Funny – I was once taught to LEAN FORWARD HARD on skis, to keep control at high speed on the really steep stuff.
Hillary and Russia. There’s more to the story. Let’s FIND IT.
You know, it's funny, but those people in that Bundy case kept saying something about HRC, FBI, Russians and uranium. All that stuff is just sitting in records in some building in Oregon. Which I never realized has a LOT of uranium mines. Including some in national forests. https://t.co/DnDtOMghjBpic.twitter.com/36FDL22TLp
This [(Q+7)=24]TH of JULY FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
For many of you, I can safely predict that this does NOT feel like “good news” to you. For others, it does feel like good news, but perhaps YOU are dreading being positive about vaccines in a movement which is largely skeptical of them.
MY MISSION is to make you ALL welcome this news, because you will FEAR NO TRUTHS.
To do this, I’m going to take you on a LONG JOURNEY to answer one question – Is Wolf going to take THIS VACCINE if it makes it to production?
Are you ready to go? Here is your first BRAVERY KICK. Repeat after me…..
“I shall FEAR NO TRUTHS!”
Are you ready to go? GOOD!
The first thing I noticed is that Seb Gorka – Q DENIER – is using the same GENERIC COVID-19 VACCINE IMAGE that measly Q blogger Wolf Moon uses all the time.
I downloaded this sucker back in APRIL, and used the original web URL in a lot of comments.
JUST SAYIN’. Gorka ain’t GOD. He’s just a small human in MAGA, just like the rest of us. He has to scrape images just like the rest of us.
Feel that FEAR slipping away?
GOOD.
Now – remember – POTUS is ALL-IN on developing a vaccine – and QUICKLY.
JUST SAYIN’.
Don’t fear it. UNDERSTAND IT.
"As one family, we mourn every precious life that's been lost. I pledge in their honor that we will develop a vaccine, and we will defeat the virus." pic.twitter.com/OZJWhL9A9t
— The White House 45 Archived (@WhiteHouse45) July 21, 2020
By the time we are done here, you will be able to OPINE SMARTLY about what POTUS is doing here, no matter what your personal view of vaccines – either for yourself or for others.
Let’s look more deeply at Seb Gorka’s article:
BREAKING NEWS: U.S. Secures 100 Million Doses of Coronavirus Vaccine from Pfizer
The United States government has secured a $2 billion deal for 100 million doses of a promising experimental Coronavirus vaccine being developed by the U.S.-based pharmaceutical company Pfizer and the German company BioNTech.
The two companies, which are producing the vaccine together, said that the doses will be provided to America if they prove “safe and effective in humans.” The Department of Health and Human Services confirmed that as a result of the government’s purchase, the vaccines would come at “no cost” to Americans seeking the vaccine once it’s available.
This is the latest vaccine candidate to be secured for the United States as a result of President Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed,” aimed at expediting the possible cure and eventual eradication of the Chinese virus. Other companies developing possible vaccines that have been enlisted by the government include Novavax, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Emergent Biosolutions.
Here are the KEY POINTS you want to remember as we DIG DEEPER…..
deal is for enough doses to use (at least in the short-term) on PART of American populace – NOT ALL – although eventually there will be more than enough (see below)
it’s considered promising according to the TRUMP administration
vaccine is by US and German companies – NOT a Chinese vaccine
the US company is Pfizer – a key identifier along with BioNTech
conditioned on the vaccine being safe and effective IN HUMANS
part of Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed”
goal is CURE and EVENTUAL ERADICATION
staying on message – it’s the CHINESE virus
OTHER vaccines and makers have been enlisted by the government
Novavax
Johnson & Johnson
Moderna
AstraZeneca
Emergent Biosolutions
You will note that there is a LINK – and basically what we have here is RE-REPORTING of CNBC.
Under the agreement, the U.S. will get 100 million doses of the vaccine, if it works, and can acquire 500 million additional doses if needed.
German biotech firm BioNTech and U.S.-based Pfizer are jointly developing the vaccine.
HHS said Americans won’t have to pay for it.
Now – here are MY additional key points:
Pfizer and BioNTech are actually running FOUR different vaccines – any of them that wins may be the one that “succeeds” in this deal
A 30K participant trial of the/a Pfizer vaccine is expected to begin later this month (July 2020)
The most advanced candidate is called BNT162b1
Candidate BNT162b1 has been demonstrated to produce neutralizing antibodies in clinical trials
The article EXPLAINS the logic behind the Trump-Pence (Pence is my addition here) “Operation Warp Speed“
multiple companies pushed to increase the odds of a WINNER, SOONER
goal is ENOUGH VACCINE FOR ALL AMERICANS [not saying mandatory – just saying]
logistics assumes success and builds supply chains and SCALE while researching
note that this is kinda how the Manhattan Project worked
this is just the latest vaccine effort to get a federal green light
Novavax vaccine was similarly green-lighted at 1.6 billion dollars
Johnson & Johnson green-lighted at 0.456 billon
Moderna green-lighted at 0.486 billion
Astra-Zeneca / Oxford green-lighted at 1.2 billion
Emergent Biosolutions green-lighted at 0.628 billion
The explanation of “Operation Warp Speed” is useful, so you don’t have to be AFRAID of talking about it and being mocked by Democrats, should you use the somewhat corny name. It’s like many of Trump’s simple but extremely sound ideas. The names are almost like gatekeepers that turn away mockers, reflexive haters, and other people of “bad faith”, but those of good faith are invited in to get in early on the winning team.
Yeah, I smell PENCE all over that. A genius hire, to do exactly this strategy.
Here is Azar talking:
“This is what’s really unprecedented with President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed. We are literally making the commercial scale vaccine now as we’re going through the clinical trial,” Azar told CNBC. “We’re doing that at risk, using the full power of the U.S. government and our financial resources to do that. No one’s ever done this before.”
Vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and others have been ramping up manufacturing capacity before their vaccine’s have been proven to be safe and effective and before receiving regulatory approval. That will help shave months off the time it takes to ultimately distribute a vaccine across the globe.
“We’ve been committed to making the impossible possible by working tirelessly to develop and produce in record time a safe and effective vaccine to help bring an end to this global health crisis,” Dr. Albert Bourla, chairman and CEO of Pfizer, said in a statement. “We made the early decision to begin clinical work and large-scale manufacturing at our own risk to ensure that product would be available immediately if our clinical trials prove successful and an Emergency Use Authorization is granted.”
Developing a safe and effective vaccine is seen as crucial to curbing the spread of the coronavirus, which has infected more than 14.9 million people around the world and killed at least 617,200 people, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
While the companies and government race to deliver a successful vaccine, regulators and company officials have assured the public and members of Congress that they will not sacrifice on safety. All that’s at risk, they say, is money.
A very interesting concept – risk the money on any failed vaccines as far as premature commercialization, but END the “threat” sooner and win big on rebounding the ECONOMY.
THAT RIGHT THERE sounds like classic Trumpian “manage the downside to win” thinking.
NOW – let’s dig DEEPER STILL.
Why is Trump throwing the BIGGEST CHUNK OF CASH YET at this particular vaccine?
In my opinion, it is because this vaccine is showing itself to be SAFE AND EFFECTIVE already, despite being one of the “newer” technologies.
To see this, we need to go to a couple of LINKS in the last article.
First, some prior recent reporting by CNBC – clearly enough time (3 weeks) for the $2B to show up.
Pfizer shares jumped after it released positive results from its closely watched early stage human trial on a coronavirus vaccine.
The trial evaluated 45 people. Each participant received 10, 30 or 100 microgram doses of the vaccine or a placebo.
Pfizer said the vaccine was generally well tolerated, though the experimental vaccine also caused fever in some patients, especially for those who were in the 100 microgram group.
Here are my added key points:
ONE of the four candidates produced neutralizing antibodies. YES. Just one of them.
levels of neutralizing antibodies were 1.8 to 2.8 times higher than in recovered COVID-19 patients
after 28 days, all participants at the lower (and safer) 10 and 30 microgram dosages had significant levels of binding antibodies
all four candidates are based on mRNA technology
reactions to the vaccine were milder than, e.g., the Moderna vaccine (*my* reading)
reactions were primarily FEVER and injection site pain, with fever being more common in the 100 microgram group
MOST patients reported injection site pain, mild to moderate, but it was SEVERE in one case at 100 micrograms
looks to me that they will shoot for 10 or 30 micrograms, depending upon durability of immunity granted by those doses
100 million doses could be ready by the end of 2020
1.2 BILLION doses could be ready by the end of 2021
Next, we follow two PRESS RELEASES from Pfizer and BioNTech:
The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine development program is evaluating at least four experimental vaccines, each of which represents a unique combination of messenger RNA (mRNA) format and target antigen. On July 1st, Pfizer and BioNTech announced preliminary data from BNT162b1, the most advanced of the four mRNA formulations. The early data demonstrates that BNT162b1 is able to produce neutralizing antibodies in humans at or above the levels observed in the plasma from patients who have recovered from COVID-19, and this was shown at relatively low dose levels. Local reactions and systemic events were dose-dependent, generally mild to moderate, and transient. No serious adverse events were reported. On July 20th, the companies announced early positive update from German Phase 1/2 COVID-19 vaccine study, including first T Cell response data.
SO – we have an mRNA vaccine which appears to be – compared to other vaccines we’ve been hearing about – relatively safe and effective. NO SERIOUS ADVERSE EVENTS.
But YES – this vaccine is the NEW and somewhat unproven DNA/RNA vaccine tech.
So how do we JUDGE IT?
In my opinion, we first need to take a look at ALL the leading COVID-19 vaccines.
Vaccine Horse Race
The horrible China-Puppet WHO does have one redeeming feature – BUREAUCRATS KEEPING TRACK OF THINGS.
This URL is always a good place to go, to see where vaccines stand. Yeah, China and Bill Gates probably get to track the downloads, and maybe even infect the PDF file, but whatever.
That’s what I’m here for – to turn that nasty PDF into nice, safe, images.
Let’s look at the FIRST TWO PAGES of the document they produce, keeping track of COVID-19 vaccine candidates.
What can we GLEAN from this stuff?
We can’t FULLY understand this yet, but we WILL in a few minutes. For now, we can mostly understand the THIRD COLUMN – who is behind which particular vaccine.
The vaccines are ORDERED in terms of how advanced the RESEARCH is – in particular, how far along the CLINICAL TRIALS are. The TOP TWO DOZEN entries (#1 to #24) are all the vaccines in CLINICAL TRIALS. #1 is the most advanced – which right now means PHASE 3 trials. The least advanced (#24) will only be in initial PHASE 1 trials.
So GUESS WHO IS AT THE TOP? (Look in the 3rd column for the developer…)
CHYYYNNAA!
Yeah, boy howdy, that sure is a surprise! The top three entries are all CHINA!
*eyeroll*
Then, number FOUR is the Astra-Zeneca / Oxford vaccine.
Then, numbers FIVE and SIX are CHYYYNNAA again!!! Think of that – the top 6 vaccines in terms of advancement, and CHYYYNNAA has FIVE of them. I guess that’s what happens when YOU RELEASE THE VIRUS.
SICK.
The next two are Western – Moderna and Inovio. Both of these have gotten a lot of press, not all of it good.
Moderna (#7) made the news b/c it came out with glowing statements about trials, but the fine print uncovered in the next few days was lots of serious side effects. What followed was a journalist pile-on, with lots of talk that Moderna has no experience, is stiff-arming the feds on safety, and is hyping more than fixing stuff. Very “Obama”.
Inovio (#8) is a DNA vaccine, similar to the mRNA vaccines. Look in the FIRST COLUMN under “Platform” to see the type. You don’t have to understand the platform quite yet. The Inovio vaccine was one of the first COVID-19 vaccines to get a lot of public attention, and is backed by Bill Gates and CEPI, as are MANY of the others. Gates is behind most of the horses in the race, so that he CANNOT LOSE.
Ask WHY.
Numbers 9, 10 and 11 are also DNA vaccines, with #9 being a Japanese effort.
Then come two more standard vaccines, Indian (#12) and Chinese (#13), leading off on the SECOND image / second page above.
Finally, at #14, we get to Novavax, which is the vaccine I like for myself, provided that it’s ever proven safe and effective (and useful) in people who’ve already had the disease. WHY I like it for ME, however, requires some explanation, but not yet – let’s keep looking at the list.
Skip over #15, the Turtlehead vaccine (made you curious, didn’t I?), which is also a vaccine that I am PERSONALLY potentially favorable toward. Seriously, it’s just a KY company (Kentucky Bioprocessing), and KY is in USA. But it is also a technology I favor as likely to be SAFE.
FINALLY, at #16, we get to the Pfizer vaccine. This is the one in question. Am I going to take it?
Not going to answer that yet!
Of the remaining entries, I’m liking FOR MYSELF numbers 18, 19, and 20, which include the GSK effort (#18) and the University of Queensland vaccine (#20), both in the news occasionally.
Of the last 4 entries, 21-24, thereby rounding out the TWO DOZEN vaccines in CLINICAL TRIALS, #21 is the Imperial College vaccine often in the news, and #23 is the CHINESE ARMY (PLA) entry – an mRNA vaccine, which IMO is likely to be STOLEN TECH.
So – HOW DO WE JUDGE?
WELL – before we can really judge, it helps if we understand certain basics of vaccines.
Let me provide you with something VERY AWESOME that I found online.
Vaccine Evolution
Vaccines, like everything else in Creation, are EVOLVING INTELLIGENTLY.
We just have to make sure that they’re EVOLVING HONESTLY.
That’s where it gets tricky. But first, we have to understand the basics of how vaccines WORK – hopefully WITH the immune system, INTELLIGENTLY AND HONESTLY.
Vaccines as we now know them are designed to trigger the immune system into THINKING we have a disease, when we don’t really have it, so that when we would otherwise get the disease, we are already prepared for it, and fight it off. This is a very smart idea which has TRACKED human civilization.
Smallpox is the disease which taught us about vaccination. Before the term “vaccination” was generalized to its current state of “inducing immunity to a disease by prior and safer activation the immune system”, “vaccination” meant inoculation (intentional INFECTION) with cowpox or a relative, as a DEFENSE against smallpox. Vaccination was EXCLUSIVELY a smallpox therapy. Very interestingly, the OLDER, more dangerous practice of infection with heat-and-time-weakened smallpox virus was KNOWN by empirical observation, and dated back to at least the Middle Ages in China. That practice was called “variolation”.
Thus, cowpox cross-immunity to protect against smallpox was a LUCKY BREAK. Most diseases don’t HAVE a nearly harmless cowpox version of “whatever” to protect you from real “whatever”.
Thus, what “vaccines” are doing NOW is much more akin to the OLDER and MORE DANGEROUS practice of variolation – a form of inoculation – intentional infection with the very “something” you are afraid of – preferably something which has been tinkered with in some way so that it no longer kills you.
Inoculation is POWERFUL because it’s more generalizable, but it’s RISKY because it makes US responsible for SAFETY.
You know – if we were more honest, we’d call vaccines something else, like “variolines”, or maybe “inoculums”, or – OH YEAH – inoculations.
I know this is actually very simple, but I want to CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE on “vaccines”.
I want you to be not just INFORMED, which can be DISINFORMED, but to have real and deep UNDERSTANDING, which CANNOT be disinformed as easily.
Read the last three sentences of the above Wikipedia entry for “Variolation” to understand “what cannot be said in science” right now.
The method is no longer used today. It was replaced by smallpox vaccine, a safer alternative. This in turn led to the development of the many vaccines now available against other diseases.
See the trick? It’s a kind of “circle of changed meanings”, so beloved by lying Democrats. The potentially dangerous and generally iffy WOLF/SHEEPDOG of “inoculation” borrowed the sheepskin of the “safer alternative” vaccination to claim false but reassuring safety for what is really the tricky business that could be called “generalized variolation”.
We got LUCKY on smallpox, and now pretend that the same luck-magic can be extended to all diseases. HA! GET REAL, SCIENCE.
The reality is that the term “vaccines” is historical euphemism.
Read the history of smallpox to GROUND YOURSELF in REALITY.
Well, vaccines are now a much BROADER science. They are, basically, “tinkering with the immune system to do stuff” – and that includes STERILIZING PEOPLE by induction of auto-immune attack on their reproductive platform. One person’s nasty side effect is another person’s depopulationist panacea.
Have you ever considered WHY we’re not supposed to think about vaccine side-effects? It’s because “SIDE” depends upon your perspective.
“WHAT WE DO NOT EVEN THINK POSSIBLE, WE CANNOT SUSPECT.”
Yes, THAT is how big vaccines are, now. We can actually immunize people against PARENTHOOD.
SO – if you don’t understand vaccines, you are at the mercy of those who do. Be GLAD that the Hitler regime didn’t have sterilization vaccines.
Be CONCERNED that the CHINAZIS have them RIGHT NOW. They could sterilize ALL of the Uighurs and just move the HAN SUPREMACISTS right in.
Y’all see what I’m sayin’?
Why, with all the Uighur men gone, they could be sterilizing all the women – or all the men – right now – with just a SHOT OR TWO. Wait a minute. Somebody reported “medical experimentation” in those Uighur reeducation camps. Hmmmmmmm.
But let’s leave THAT for another time. My point is this – vaccines are a very BROAD topic. For now, let’s stick to “current ways to potentially fight coronaviruses by prior immunization”.
In that regard, I recently found a wonderful blog post which explains the different TYPES of vaccines being considered for COVID-19. This is an excellent article.
Classic and new technologies vying to be the first COVID-19 vaccine
Jeffrey Smoot Information Scientist, CAS Posted June 11, 2020
I could not have put together such a GREAT and SHORT summary of the different vaccine techs if I had spent years doing it.
PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE LINKED ABOVE! It’s actually a VERY fast read!
Now let’s look at the critical TABLE 1, which I’m quoting “vertically” and editorializing somewhat, based on a “monster” metaphor.
The table entries are unmolested. The entry titles reflect – somewhat humorously – my relative levels of trust/distrust of the technologies involved, and their state of readiness for “prime time” – expressed as effectiveness against “theoretical” pathogens.
Table 1. Vaccine Classification
Header Definitions (How to Read Table)
Type — What basic kind of vaccine
Active Component — may be abbreviation or acronym – GOOGLE IT!!!
Advantage — why you might trust this platform
Disadvantage — why you might NOT trust this platform
Vaccine Example — actual uses in existing vaccines you may or may not like
Bitten By Chocula
Type — Live, attenuated
Active Component — Pathogen capable of replication
Advantage — Strong and long-lasting immune response, usually lifetime protection
Disadvantage — Risk of disease
Vaccine Example — Tuberculosis, MMR, smallpox, chickenpox, yellow fever
Carry A Wooden Stake
Type — Inactivated (or killed)
Active Component — Pathogen chemical or heat treated to prevent replication
Advantage — No risk of disease
Disadvantage — Lesser immune response; booster shots may be needed
Vaccine Example — Flu, hepatitis A, polio, rabies
Silver Bullets
Type — Subunit (protein, polysaccharide, conjugate, toxoid)
Disadvantage — [none mentioned – surely there are some – W]
Vaccine Example — Hepatitis B, cervical cancer, malaria
Bitten By Frankenberry
Type — Recombinant vector vaccine
Active Component — Non-pathogenic virus or bacteria as carrier of immunogen of interest
Advantage — Reusable for diverse antigens; no risk of disease
Disadvantage — Pre-existing or development of immunity to vector
Vaccine Example — No approved vaccine available
Chocula Goes Back In Time And Marries Your Mom
Type — DNA vaccine
Active Component — Plasmid or other expression vector
Advantage — Fast to produce; no risk of disease; reusable technology
Disadvantage — Lack of data
Vaccine Example — Veterinary medicine (canine melanoma, infectious hematopoietic necrosis virus of fish, equine West Nile virus)
Chocula Commits Identity Theft On Your Mom
Type — mRNA vaccine
Active Component — RNA that encodes a disease-specific pathogen protein
Advantage — Fast to produce; no risk of disease; reusable technology
Disadvantage — Effectiveness and side effects are unknown
Vaccine Example — No approved vaccine available
This is a great chart because it orders things from “oldest” to newest in terms of general technology.
First live virus (weakened smallpox, cowpox, vaccinia), then dead virus, then specific fragments, then fake Frankenstein live virus, and finally the new fake “like a virus” DNA and RNA mucking around science.
READ THE LINK – each type is explained.
Let me review the different PLATFORMS (column 1) in the pages of the WHO document. These correspond to most of the types in the linked blog post.
Inactivated
Non-Replicating Viral Vector
Protein Subunit
RNA
DNA
VLP
These methods can basically be broken into two different sets of two categories each:
OLD-SCHOOL versus NEW-SCHOOL
IMMUNOGEN versus INSTRUCTIONS
Old-school methods are “old biology” – no recombinants, no gene sequencing, no plasmids, no fancy tricks.
New-school methods use our advanced knowledge of biochemistry to MAKE STUFF at the molecular and biochemical level, either before injection or after injection.
Immunogen methods inject the stuff that triggers the immune reaction.
Instruction methods inject DNA or RNA – pretty much like a VIRUS does – maybe even USING a virus, or an artificial virus-like construct – to get those instructions into your cells.
So now let me apply those labels to the platforms, including one that’s missing (live /attenuated).
Live / Attenuated – OLD-SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
Inactivated – OLD-SCHOOL IMMUNOGEN
Non-Replicating Viral Vector – NEW SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
Protein Subunit – NEW-SCHOOL IMMUNOGEN
RNA – NEW-SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
DNA – NEW-SCHOOL INSTRUCTIONS
VLP – NEW-SCHOOL IMMUNOGEN
You see? There’s actually a lot of choice.
So – what should you trust?
THAT is for you to decide. I can only tell you what *I* trust. And WHY.
Vaccine Conservatism
I am generally – PERSONALLY – favorable toward vaccines, despite being 100% opposed to mandatory vaccinations. Vaccines ave always been good for me. Even the occasional minor aggravation of very mild arthritis in my injection shoulder is not really enough of a negative for me to skip the flu shot.
Nevertheless, I am careful to note that vaccines give me just as many and just as strong minor, negative side effects as any drug – and MOST drugs have minor side-effects that I can observe and report.
The new shingles vaccine, in my case, had stronger side effects than almost ANY drug I had ever taken. Nevertheless, a BARGAIN next to the HORROR OF SHINGLES.
So I’m no fool – vaccines are REAL medicine – with real side effects. AND – if you’ve gotten the new shingles vaccine, then you know that vaccines are getting STRONGER so they can work STRONGER and LONGER.
HOWEVER…..
The entire CHINA VIRUS psy-op and election interference program has done nothing to make me any less suspicious of vaccines. Indeed, it has made me MORE suspicious, if not an actual skeptic. Too many agendas. Too many lies. Too many “whoops”. Too many cute abuses of science. Too many media hit jobs. Too much Bill Gates near any and all of the above.
And CHYYYNNAA through and through the whole nasty affair. China, the home of CCP ChiNazis who love to BLAME THE VICTIM.
And which CHINAZIS could easily be STERILIZING UIGHURS with STOLEN GSK vaccine technology RIGHT NOW.
Suspicious? HELL YES!
On the bright side, I would not have been made aware of mankind’s current capabilities for eugenocide, had I not been “awakened” on vaccines, so I consider my new suspicions a stroke of good luck for any and all groups which HAVE BEEN, ARE BEING, or WILL EVER BE slated for GENOCIDE.
Uighurs! WATCH YOUR SIX!!!
One of the reasons Epstein was schmoozing all the big brains in science was – I am convinced – keeping track of the infinite bad possibilities that led to “Never Again”. SO *** DING DING DING *** I sure hope THAT particular baby didn’t get thrown out with the dirty pedophile’s bathwater. How the “this time we won’t fail” time-bomb of sterilization vaccines could have proceeded to where it is without being disarmed tells me somebody was fooling somebody. TSK-TSK. Shame on EVERYBODY.
ANYWAY – back to topic.
I think you could call me a VACCINE CONSERVATIVE.
I am not necessarily averse to any class of vaccine as I categorize them, or as others categorize them. I could take a new-school vaccine. I could take an old-school vaccine. I might take ANY of them, including the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, provided the following:
vaccine has been found safe and effective to TRUMP’S satisfaction
vaccine has been TESTED and found safe and effective for people who have already had either COVID-19 or any other weak coronavirus
vanishingly small number of cases of super-serious side effects
basic technology has no critical theoretical weaknesses
proven to NOT result in immune enhancement phenomenon
basic technology must show LIFETIME SAFETY in individuals and their children, or be able to rule out dangers – INCLUDING STERILITY in both generations – to my satisfaction
The LAST requirement is the one which, right now, makes several of the “new-school” technologies very likely NO-GO ZONES for THE WOLF. Much SHADE is thus cast on DNA, RNA, and viral vector types.
And as for the Pfizer vaccine (mRNA), I am much likelier to pick a DIFFERENT vaccine, particularly a NEW-SCHOOL recombinant protein subunit, neo-classical vaccine – much like the shingles vaccine I just took. Novavax is one of those vaccines. If it can be proven NOT to produce immune enhancement, AND it can be proven to be safe for symptomatic COVID-19 recoverees with lung damage, then I’m very likely to take it.
DNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines, and adenovirus vectors are ALL too new and unproven for me to trust. Some of these – maybe all of them – are relying on retreaded edge tech from earlier gene therapy failures.
These platforms MIGHT NOT cause cancer 50 years down the road, or cause sterility, or cause disease in CHILDREN of recipients. But the fact is simple – WE DON’T KNOW YET.
Now – if I was 70 years old, I would probably take the very first safe and effective DNA or mRNA vaccine to come to market, not expecting to live to 120, or to have any more kids. But that’s not the case. I’d love a few more decades. If I had a choice – AND I DO HAVE ONE – I’d prefer a more time-trusted technology like protein subunits. Most of all, I would trust a vaccine that got green-lighted by Dr. Peter Hotez of Baylor University, an expert on immune enhancement in coronaviruses.
Adenovirus vectors? They already have “issues” of several kinds, including recipients either having or developing immunity to the platform itself. Perhaps not insurmountable, but there are other problems. For instance, we know that viruses have LIFELONG SIDE-EFFECTS. We’ve had decades to discover most of the important natural ones. AND – very disturbingly – we have a government health bureaucracy prominently led for years by a guy (Fauci) who not only forgot about HCQ and chloroquine – very economically conveniently for his vaccine and new therapeutic interests – he figured that the best way to deal with the inconvenient class of “slow, obscure, cancer-causing viruses” was to KICK THE PRIMARY RESEARCHER OF THEM OUT OF NIH.
Sorry – I would like to try these fascinating but risky modern vaccine platforms AFTER they have been checked and re-checked by a POST-FAUCI NIH/CDC/ETC.
And that doesn’t even begin to address this very important question. WHO IS MONITORING VACCINES to make sure that nobody is sneaking in sterility vaccine components? Components that were likely ALREADY TESTED IN AFRICA?
Is the Catholic Church even AWARE of the danger? WHERE is Pope Epstein-Guevara on this one? WITH the depopulationists? Happy to see humanity sterilized by the United Nations, as long as the “grave danger” of climate change is badly addressed?
Sorry. I’m not ready for any “mandatory” vaccine. Just on principle.
SO – you have a lot of choices in future COVID-19 vaccines, ranging from “none” to “any”.
I’m not going to tell you what to think or do.
But I hope that by addressing this issue for myself, I’ve given you some things to think about – so that your chosen position on vaccines will not merely be INFORMED, but FILLED WITH UNDERSTANDING.
And with that, I bid you GOOD HEALTH!
W
Remember when we could trust vaccines? We’re ONE election from heading back there.
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Our movement
Is about replacing
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And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
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Seriously – FRANCE just banned use of HCQ for treating COVID-19.
DUMB!
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