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Yes – let’s follow the story from useful idiot MASK NAZIS back to CHINAZIS.
Even Twitter is now waking up to the fact that China is doing everything possible to destroy America, and you will see this in my upcoming article on useless, dangerous, China-imposed MASKS, very shortly.
If Twitter has decided to END its hypocrisy in going after ONLY Trump, by labeling CHINA TWEETS as what they are, then at least their censorship is a little more even-handed, but I also think (at)jackboot is getting wise to the fact that CCP is using DNC like a rented mule. CCP doesn’t care if they destroy DNC during their get-away.
And that’s just the beginning…..
China’s Thousand Talents Plan recruits foreign researchers, including Americans, and offers monetary incentives to hand their research over to Beijing. We need to stop the #CCP’s systematic campaign to steal their way to the top.https://t.co/gU2J7rtwYI— Sen. Marsha Blackburn (@MarshaBlackburn) August 20, 2020
I am still SHOCKED by the indictment of Harvard’s *DEPARTMENT HEAD* Charles Lieber. Talk about going straight for the top. Top administrator at a top chemistry university.
Say what you will about Wray – this was a HUGE bust. Never in my wildest dreams.
Yes – what I saw in science was alarming. I was RIGHT THERE in the middle of a bunch of the world’s sketchiest ChiComs – AND YET I never heard ANYTHING about their “Thousand Talents” (OF SILVER) bribery program. That’s how well they kept this under wraps. And SMART, too – they must have known I would have raised a flag if I knew about Thousand Talents.
Sure, maybe I had nothing they wanted, but I never heard scuttlebutt of this program from ANYBODY.
Of course, maybe they only show researchers the “Thousand Talents” contract after the “perky little tits” have been shoved at potential recipients one time too many. I did “almost run into” some of that action.
Notice the name? The cunning joke of betrayal as a subtext? That is CLASSIC CHICOM. They love to CROW over their victims, with the victims not realizing what is going on. Or maybe the sell-outs DO realize that they’re selling out, because they have little choice, or it gets worse.
There is NO AMOUNT OF KARMA that the ChiComs don’t deserve here.
There is some talk that BANNON is a victim of CCP shenanigans. My thoughts…..
This guy is supposedly an anti-Chicom activist . . . but WSJ story says in fact he may be a double agent. Bannon may have been had.— Larry Schweikart (@LarrySchweikart) August 20, 2020
Without even looking, I can tell you that “controlled opposition” in the China camp is filled with ringers and manipulable fools. Just like Russia AND Ukraine are both filled with “ex”-Soviet peril, China, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia – all are deadly on ChiCom risks.— Wolf Moon Backs HCQ b/c Loves The Taste of Quinine (@WOLFM00N) August 20, 2020
Heck – the ChiComs run Koreans with their eyes closed, and can even turn Japanese into their useful idiots.— Wolf Moon Backs HCQ b/c Loves The Taste of Quinine (@WOLFM00N) August 20, 2020
The ChiComs can use ANYBODY. but they prefer white-face and black-face in America, because it’s easy and leaves no fingerprints, so why not? They get HK to “help” in their sleep. Bannon’s happy-go-lucky footsie with HK just made me cringe, TBH. “Too casual” is his weakness.— Wolf Moon Backs HCQ b/c Loves The Taste of Quinine (@WOLFM00N) August 20, 2020
Bottom line – anybody who gets anywhere NEAR ChiComs or WHO THEY TOUCH is at risk. They will MESS WITH YOU in any way they can. They will SNAKE you with influence, spying, exfiltration, sabotage, or life and reputation damage through whatever means are possible.
It’s a real shame that one has to be CAREFUL A.F. with even the nicest, most honest, communist-hating Chinese Americans, but even ABC (American-born Chinese) are deeply and heavily infiltrated and influenced by the ChiComs, and if you have a Chinese spouse or “significant other”, prepare for dangerous and “interesting” times!
Reality doesn’t care about “it sure would be nice if everything and everybody was on the up and up”.
This [Q+4]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
“Awkward Styles”
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
ON PRAYER
My old ask to PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT was getting stale.
TIME FOR NEW
It’s time to PRAY for those around Trump – all those people who we don’t trust as much as Trump, but who President Trump DEPENDS ON, every day, to GET THE JOB DONE.
I’m not going to pick out anybody by name – that is for YOU to decide.
But I want you to PRAY FOR OTHERS to lift up this President, so that he, too, can SEE THE POWER OF PRAYER even more clearly through them!
Doesn’t matter who it is – even NAMELESS people who may see his pen and signature. Even anonymous patriots who protect him and us every day. Even his wife, his Vice President, and thousands of others – pray for them all to LIFT UP PRESIDENT TRUMP in all possible ways!
And ONE final prayer request. Pray for the Trump brothers, specifically.
My condolences to Pres @realdonaldtrump on the passing of his younger brother Robert. Losing a sibling is a terrible thing made so much worse by all the suffering in the world right now from the #coronavirus. I wish the President and his family Gd's comfort in this difficult time
I have a great article coming, so I will keep this short. For now I want to encourage you to think about WAYS OF SUBVERTING the masks that DUMB US DOWN FOR CHINA.
We all know those brave souls who stand up to mask mandates openly, but not all of us are able to weather those storms. Some have tried and have felt beaten and demoralized. Some are leery to even try.
Too many people who ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be wearing masks are being FORCED TO DO SO by “Karen World”.
"Doctors do it" is simply not a health proof – particularly coming from a profession (I have known many) which often requires or encourages an incredible amount of self-abuse, such as sleep deprivation.
The question of mask/brain O2 deficit and CO2 excess is readily answered.
I want to instill QUIET COLONIST REBELLION against hypoxia-inducing, cognition-decreasing, DANGEROUS masks.
Think about ways to rebel against the MASK NAZIS, and be ready for my article!
ChiCom Risks
Yes – let’s follow the story from useful idiot MASK NAZIS back to CHINAZIS.
Even Twitter is now waking up to the fact that China is doing everything possible to destroy America, and you will see this in my upcoming article on useless, dangerous, China-imposed MASKS, very shortly.
If Twitter has decided to END its hypocrisy in going after ONLY Trump, by labeling CHINA TWEETS as what they are, then at least their censorship is a little more even-handed, but I also think (at)jackboot is getting wise to the fact that CCP is using DNC like a rented mule. CCP doesn’t care if they destroy DNC during their get-away.
And that’s just the beginning…..
China’s Thousand Talents Plan recruits foreign researchers, including Americans, and offers monetary incentives to hand their research over to Beijing. We need to stop the #CCP’s systematic campaign to steal their way to the top.https://t.co/gU2J7rtwYI
I am still SHOCKED by the indictment of Harvard’s *DEPARTMENT HEAD* Charles Lieber. Talk about going straight for the top. Top administrator at a top chemistry university.
Say what you will about Wray – this was a HUGE bust. Never in my wildest dreams.
Yes – what I saw in science was alarming. I was RIGHT THERE in the middle of a bunch of the world’s sketchiest ChiComs – AND YET I never heard ANYTHING about their “Thousand Talents” (OF SILVER) bribery program. That’s how well they kept this under wraps. And SMART, too – they must have known I would have raised a flag if I knew about Thousand Talents.
Sure, maybe I had nothing they wanted, but I never heard scuttlebutt of this program from ANYBODY.
Of course, maybe they only show researchers the “Thousand Talents” contract after the “perky little tits” have been shoved at potential recipients one time too many. I did “almost run into” some of that action.
Notice the name? The cunning joke of betrayal as a subtext? That is CLASSIC CHICOM. They love to CROW over their victims, with the victims not realizing what is going on. Or maybe the sell-outs DO realize that they’re selling out, because they have little choice, or it gets worse.
There is NO AMOUNT OF KARMA that the ChiComs don’t deserve here.
There is some talk that BANNON is a victim of CCP shenanigans. My thoughts…..
This guy is supposedly an anti-Chicom activist . . . but WSJ story says in fact he may be a double agent. Bannon may have been had.
Without even looking, I can tell you that "controlled opposition" in the China camp is filled with ringers and manipulable fools. Just like Russia AND Ukraine are both filled with "ex"-Soviet peril, China, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia – all are deadly on ChiCom risks.
The ChiComs can use ANYBODY. but they prefer white-face and black-face in America, because it's easy and leaves no fingerprints, so why not? They get HK to "help" in their sleep. Bannon's happy-go-lucky footsie with HK just made me cringe, TBH. "Too casual" is his weakness.
Bottom line – anybody who gets anywhere NEAR ChiComs or WHO THEY TOUCH is at risk. They will MESS WITH YOU in any way they can. They will SNAKE you with influence, spying, exfiltration, sabotage, or life and reputation damage through whatever means are possible.
It’s a real shame that one has to be CAREFUL A.F. with even the nicest, most honest, communist-hating Chinese Americans, but even ABC (American-born Chinese) are deeply and heavily infiltrated and influenced by the ChiComs, and if you have a Chinese spouse or “significant other”, prepare for dangerous and “interesting” times!
Reality doesn’t care about “it sure would be nice if everything and everybody was on the up and up”.
That ain’t the way it is.
Dealing With AQQusing Libs
Right now, when “Q” has been brought to the foreground by Fake News attacking POTUS, there may be a temptation to hang back. DON’T. There has never been a time like now to just dump Epstein and company all over the left. We own everything but “cannibals”, and who knows what is coming? And while you’re at it, jump up and down on “The Hoax” for all you’re worth! The HOAX that Q got right, and THEY got wrong.
Hilarious that Fake News threw "cannibals" in there JUST TO MAKE SURE that it wan't obviously true, since Democrat bundlers, aides, millionaires and interns arrested in the last few years on child porn or human trafficking charges are pretty much a satanic cult of pedophiles. https://t.co/pmfwrDqdO3pic.twitter.com/BU6EaHNwvl
OK, maybe not cannibals, Fake News. Grand jury is still out there. But – well – Trump seems to have done something about global elite pedophile satanists and managed to shutter their temple! pic.twitter.com/AvnyWJEjNb
"Columbia". Wasn't Comey's nerdy BFF who helped in the lawfare coup from there? Seems to be a magnet with credibility cover for a lot of unsavory types. pic.twitter.com/iMxeWuBXZH
Here are some selections from a RANT THREAD on Twitter…..
The only "toxic and dangerous conspiracy" I see is the ridiculous phony Democrat "news" that has reached Soviet levels of cringe. The fact that an anonymous TROLLING PSY-OP and its followers – urged to be PEACEFUL and TRUTHFUL – can drive these Bolshie betas nuts? Beautiful. https://t.co/STnYsP19uo
Yeah, these faux journalists are scared – and they should be. To even characterize QAnon as a "conspiracy" is just DUMB at levels a 1970's pre-progzi high-school paper would not fall for.
A "conspiracy" is what Hillary and her supporters did to TRUMP. AND WE HAVE PROOF.
One of the things I find devastating to the left is to make sure they understand they are reacting to a PSY-OP. I’m careful not to call QAnon “just” a psy-op – that diminishes a TRUTH PROJECT, and such things are grand endeavors. Q is way more than just a psy-op or a troll against the Fake News. But TWISTING the Q phenomenon off their shill position that it’s a “conspiracy” or a “conspiracy theory” is exactly where I love to go, in proving that THEY are not reporting it correctly.
They know it’s a psy-op aimed at them, and they can’t report it.
MAKE. THEM. GROVEL. IN. THEIR. FAKE. NEWS. DENIAL.
People say "psy-op" like it's a bad thing. This nation's FLAG and ANTHEM celebrate a successful psy-op against the British. A beautiful operation where more people gave their lives for a psychological victory than a naval tactical one. Absolutely inspiring.
In which the social justice “hoax retelling” of the Matthew Shepard gay/drug acquaintance murder fits into an even bigger social justice artistic story-born movement looking for a political event to boost it.
Introduction:
I did not expect to write this article. But after being sucked into a rabbithole of research, I simply had to do it.
I do not, unfortunately, have an exact answer to my original question:
What was the relationship of the Matthew Shepard murder to the movie Brokeback Mountain?
As you will see, the relationship is very strong. But just like the truth of the Shepard murder itself was originally hidden underneath calculated social justice hoaxing, so too the history of the related / unrelated movie which followed is obscured by the larger, softer, “DVD extra”, PBS “stay tuned” feature, more diffuse, more professional, and easier almost-truths of the New-York-to-Hollywood-by-way-of-Flyover-and-Writeover-Country-and-Western “artistic axis”.
There is no smoking gun. But there is smoke everywhere. One might say it’s the way that “wishful conspiracies” work.
Discovery:
Start here.
I knew there was some question about the Matthew Shepard murder, and that it was “also drug-related”, but I did not know just how much of a euphemism “it might have a drug angle” was.
In honor of Gay Pride month, have a red pill about Matthew Shepard.
Matthew Shepard’s murder is a vintage case of fake news. The truth is that he was a drug dealer who was murdered by people who were trying to steal his large supply of crystal meth. Of course, the fake news media blew this up as the “gay hate crime of the century,” the Democrats tried for years to use it as an excuse to push hate crime legislation, and Americans were scolded about it for years for being “big bad violent homophobes.” Even though America is probably the safest country in the world for the LGBT community, you wouldn’t know it from the way they continue to point to Matthew Shepard as proof of persecution (they can’t bring up Pulse nightclub because that would involve blaming Muslims).
So there you go. Next time someone starts whinging to you about Matthew Shepard, kindly point out the real circumstances behind his murder.
This is a great article, covering the essential investigatory book, and it actually prompted THIS investigation.
I wanted to know – did this obviously “social justice re-narratived” murder – frequently mentioned in the context of the movie “Brokeback Mountain” – actually have any deeper relationship? Was it the IMPETUS for the movie? Did a HOAX create a PROPAGANDA MOVIE?
What I found haunted me. But I set it aside, never finished the post, and got distracted. Until Sadie reminded me.
Matthew Shepard was a drug dealer who was killed in a bad drug deal by people he knew. There’s even an entire book written by a gay journalist about what really happened and how the media misled everyone on it. Despite this, the DNC and media continue to perpetuate the hate hoax 20+ years later.
The parents of Matthew Shepard cast Wyoming’s votes for Joe Biden for president. Matthew Shepard was left to die on a fence in Laramie, WY after being brutally attacked & tied to that fence on Oct. 7, 1998. It was a gay hate crime. Matthew died at age 21. https://t.co/YIFzYhs6kN
— David Begnaud (@DavidBegnaud) August 19, 2020
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You will see from that Twitter post, that the social justice hoax is still going strong:
Here is the investigatory book:
When I read the Guardian article after Sadie’s FIRST comment, I figured that the story of Matthew Shepard (who was murdered in October of 1998) was likely the starter idea from which BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN (2005) was generated.
Actually this is WRONG – it’s the REVERSE – but I didn’t know it until I dug into the chronology.
Reality:
The Matthew Shepard hoax story LOOKS like the origin of the movie Brokeback Mountain in “normie political news-viewer world”. It appears like the murder “brought to light” the “gay cowboy phenomenon” which had always been there – we just didn’t know about it. Granted, there ARE gays in the redneck and cowboy worlds, but it’s not nearly as big a deal as the leftist fake news wants it to be. The TRUTH is that in liberal artistic world, the Matthew Shepard murder was a VICTIM-SYMPATHY BOOSTER (just barely) for a liberal-beloved fictional story INTO a movie.
Stated another way, a DRUG REALITY was re-told into conformance with a PRE-EXISTING BUT RELATIVELY UNKNOWN LIBERAL FICTION, which not only yielded POLITICAL ACTION, but TIPPED THE BALANCE for ARTISTIC LEVELING-UP.
The reality is not nice. A BOTTOM GAY GUY was killed by two TOP GAY GUYS in the very dangerous “meth + gay sex” world. Death is a common problem in that world – see Ed Buck. The difference here is that literature-savvy gay activists were among the first to react, possibly as “witness distancing”, and quickly turned a “bad for gays” drug story into an anti-gay “hate crime”, and the fake news media lapped it up like mother’s milk.
From the article – this is CRITICAL….
But when Matthew’s friends Walt Boulden and Alex Trout heard of the attack they rushed to the hospital. They contacted the Associated Press and a number of local gay organisations that same day. Boulden, a 46-year-old college instructor who says he was the last person to talk to Matthew before he met McKinney and Henderson, linked the attack to Wyoming legislature’s failure to pass a hate-crimes bill. Boulden later said the assault was identified as a hate crime by a policeman.
But that’s not all.
Place this in political context.
All this stuff was happening during the SECOND TERM of the Clintons. I believe that for both Clinton and Obama, the SECOND TERM was designed to be the one where radical propaganda events would be undertaken. So the media minons and leftist pols were HOT TO TROT for “progress”, and this story, bogus as it was, was simply unstoppable.
NOW – let’s TIMELINE all this “gay cowboy” stuff. You will see that it shows the TRUE NARRATIVE DEVELOPMENT.
While you’re looking at this, consider MIMETIC THEORY as a bit of an explainer here. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Girard for a description of the basic theory, which is not immediately obvious, but which is extremely useful in looking at communist victim-substitution psychology and TACTICS.
HERE WE GO….. (includes some quotes – references listed at the end)
1992 – old-and-famous Larry McMurtry begins writing collaboration with young hottie Diana Ossana
1993 – Annie Proulx gets Guggenheim fellowship
1994 – Annie Proulx moves to Wyoming
spring 1997 – Annie Proulx is inspired to write story by a bar scene (ranchy-type guy scoping out guys)
1997 – Annie Proulx writes story
10/13/1997 – Annie Proulx short story “Brokeback Mountain” officially appears in New Yorker
fall 1997 – story is immediately seen by Ossana and optioned by Ossana and McMurtry at Ossana’s initiation
(Note that the way magazines are released early, this could have been in September.)
“That evening, I asked Larry how he would feel if any staunch Lonesome Dove fans turned against him for being involved with a film that subverts the myth of the American West and its iconic heroes. He replied that he’d never given it a thought. I told him good, I figured as much, I just needed to hear you say the words. That was the only time we ever spoke about any political implications to making a film of “Brokeback Mountain.”
fall 1997 – screenplay is produced by McMurtry and Ossana in three months
“We had a finished screenplay in three months, and sent it off to Wyoming. In a few days Annie phoned, and we spoke for over two hours. She had points she wanted to clarify, and a few corrections, but on the whole she seemed genuinely pleased with our work. I felt fortunate to have her input, because these people were born in her imagination. She and I spoke about Ennis and his stoicism, his background, his homophobic worldview, his inability to access his emotions. She talked a lot about Wyoming, its landscape, its people and their hardscrabble lives.
What she said to me in those two hours I mentally filed away. I referred back to it for the next eight years.
We sent the script to our representatives, who in turn sent it out into the world. Our Brokeback Mountain screenplay had been in existence for a year when young Matthew Shepard was brutally murdered in Laramie, Wyoming. It was horrifying. It felt like an eerie mirroring of Annie’s story and our screenplay My daughter, Sara, was attending the University of Wyoming in Laramie on a basketball scholarship when they found Matthew’s body tied to a fence not five minutes from her apartment. I flew to Wyoming to be with her. While I was there, we went to visit Annie at her home in Centennial. We spent the day together, and she took us on a picnic up near the Medicine Bow. Annie was warm and welcoming, a strong, solid presence, and it was reassuring to Sara (and to me) to know she would be close by.”
10/6/1998 – Matthew Shepard killed and STORY CHANGED by last witness college instructor Walt Bouden
Remember: (“Boulden, a 46-year-old college instructor who says he was the last person to talk to Matthew before he met McKinney and Henderson, linked the attack to Wyoming legislature’s failure to pass a hate-crimes bill. Boulden later said the assault was identified as a hate crime by a policeman.”)
1999-2002 – film under discussion but it never comes together
2003 – deal to make film is reached
spring 2004 – production begins (Ang Lee director, Ossana producer)
9/2/2005 – film festival releases begin in Europe
12/11/2005 – limited [Christmas!] release in US
1/13/2006 – US general release
1/22/2008 – Heath Ledger dies of drug overdose
7/18/2008 – Dark Knight released (Ledger plays Joker)
I don’t think Matthew Shepard was killed to make a movie, but I think he WAS killed for drugs, and then fit to a “nicer for gays” story that people ALREADY wanted to believe. The fact that his re-told death meant MONEY for the Democrat-media-entertainment-arts-propaganda complex only insured that the re-telling would STICK.
Conspiracy theories involving individuals are often wrong, but they are useful, in that they provide a skeletal road-map to a larger reality of social conspiracies. And those conspiracies ARE promoted by people with long and patient plans.
Although it may look like Matthew Shepard was conveniently murdered for leftist propaganda, IMO it’s more likely that his murder for drugs – knowledge of the abuse likely touching his “witness friends” – was conveniently RE-PURPOSED to fit a desired narrative, and KILL the real one, of gays, sex and methamphetamine.
Many people WANTING something to be true, and all of them white-lying, wishful-thinking, exaggerating, distorting, re-telling, re-casting, or even re-remembering things – but ONLY a little bit for most of them, and with malicious intent by only a few of them – allows ONE HUGE LIE to be hidden among a large number of people.
THAT is my diagnosis of what happened here.
Liberals BROUGHT THEIR CULTURE with them to Wyoming and IMPOSED IT on the alien cowboy culture there – in thought, then in STORY, and finally in FAKE NEWS AS STORY.
Communist social justice hoaxing followed “artistes” and gays to Wyoming, as sure as communist corruption followed the Clintons to already-corrupt Arkansas.
It was only a matter of time until they would speak a new reality into existence.
The question of FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, the indictment of whom was POSSIBLY announced by AG William Barr in response to Sundance’s announcement of an imminent release about DOJ, is very interesting.
Clinesmith is the guy who altered an email about Carter Page, hiding that Page was a CIA source, and thus allowed the BAD Carter Page FISA to continue to be used against Trump.
Is Clinesmith cooperating? How MUCH is he cooperating? People are speculating like crazy. A lot of people are taking Barr’s “gib” as a sign that BIG FISH ARE GONNA BE IN THE FRYIN’ PAN! Clinesmith has to be cooperating! He’s SINGING!!!
Really? “Trey Gowdy really?” Are we sure this isn’t more “Tick Tock Club”?
Remember James Wolfe? He THREATENED to give up a bunch of people in the Senate. Sure seems very convenient that DOJ attorney Jussie K. Liu made that all go away with a wrist-slap for lying to the FBI.
Yeah, but now it’s DURHAM. And Durham is a “straight shooter”!
OK, so you say Sundance says Durham’s not real, yada yada yada, but throw that all aside – Clinesmith is TALKING. RIGHT?
Set aside the possibility – which I think is very real – that MKULTRA techniques may have been used on Clinesmith, to insure he would “come through” on “Carter Page not a source”. Totally subconscious. He won’t remember a thing. Those techniques can also interfere with investigation. “Missing time.” Gaps in memory. There is some possibility that these techniques can be REVERSED, but SET THAT ASIDE, TOO.
We simply need to know two things:
is Clinesmith giving up useful evidence which will get more coupsters?
is OTHER evidence accumulating that will get more coupsters?
If you read the article, you will see that this reasoning is based on the fact that Carter Page is KNOWN to have sent a letter to Comey, telling him that he had worked for the CIA. Page copied a WITNESS on it, so this is a KNOWN FACT.
In my opinion, TGP is overstating the case by ASSUMING that Comey believed that letter. Well, whether or not Comey believed he letter, we know that FBI top brass was RE-ASKING the lowers about Carter Page’s CIA status when Clinesmith DOCTORED THE EMAIL to hide it. So in my opinion, Comey was getting COVER from Clinesmith when he asked for VALIDATION on Carter Page having no relationship to the CIA.
Clinesmith GAVE Comey that cover by doctoring the email.
So GREAT – there has to be some smoking gun where Comey or McCabe or SOMEBODY told Clinesmith what to do – to doctor the email – RIIIIIIIGHT?
WRONG! There may be, but we don’t know yet.
OK, then. Is it the opposite? Clinesmith did it all by himself – right? End of the line? One guy caused all this damage by doctoring an email?
ALSO WRONG! It may be, but we don’t know yet.
I want to know more about what DOJ is holding here.
I am now asking that all discussion of “YAY” or “NAY” on Sundance be kept on THAT THREAD.
You want to fight about whether you trust Sundance? Keep it on that thread. I do NOT want ANY of that stuff on this thread, and that includes ME responding to you. I will not delete your post and leave mine – I will delete MY response as I realize what I’m responding to, then your post.
We are ONLY going to be talking about Sundance’s new assertions and evidence PER SE and what we think about them. Not “in general” – very specifically. Fighting over Sundance as a source will be ejected from this thread WITH PREJUDICE. That includes waffly “not so sure about this” questioning of the evidence, as a sneaky way to bring “anti-Sundance Eeyorism” [oh, I love the KARMA on that one] into the discussion. GOT LOGIC? Good. We like LOGICAL THINKING because we’re Q followers.
Advice? LURK if you can’t zip your fly and restrain from pissing on SD. Since I can’t BAN FROM THREADS, I’ll just DELETE YOUR POSTS.
Understood? Good.
We have free speech – and some of it is over THERE so that those of us who want to actually discuss the evidence can do so here.
This is like a Trump rally. We have a demonstration zone which has just as big a digital footprint as this one – it’s just OVER THERE.
HERE WE GO.
Sundance is now showing more strongly his theory that the Mueller SC, really the Weissmann SC, is central to the coup. This is TODAY’S TWITTER TIMELINE.
It’s FEAR. Weissmann is starting to panic that all will discover the true agenda of HIS special counsel operation. What they did is stunning!! https://t.co/BbXeagoYXM
Weissmann took the investigative file from WFO SSA Dugan and removed the content damaging to their position on the FISA application (the 2017 criminal leak via Wolfe). Weissmann then tipped-off the targets and used the SC authorities to cover up the entire SSCI operation. https://t.co/ATP7LAsSaj
This is why when the SC released the FISA application on July 21, 2018, (FOIA guise), they actually released the SSA Dugan March 17, 2017, copy of the app.
The SC then added the two April and June copies to fulfill the full production; and expected no-one would notice. https://t.co/3DC2Px6L8v
It's a really simple issue to prove. If Main Justice did not have Dugan's WFO investigative file they wouldn't have been able to release his exact equity. Dugan was smart, going to FISC that's why the March 17th stamp was needed. It proved provenance and chain of custody. https://t.co/0uj5m3jkFB
Warner/Waldman texts were part of Dugan's file; putting him in the "skif" at 4:02pm on March 17, 2017 w/Wolfe. Weissmann tipped-off Warner, provided time for false story, then provided texts. Evidence removed.
Despite physical surveillance (outlining contacts), Dugan couldn't get warrant on Vice-chair of SSCI w/out tipping off crew. So, what did he do,… he went the backdoor and gained same info from Waldman's side of conversation. Look at texts, they are from Waldman's side. https://t.co/dxMefjpUxv
And….. Don't forget…. Waldman was representing (pro bono) Julian Assange. Which is how the SC kept the other dangerous issue under wraps. Their investigation was predicated on the DNC leak attributed to Russia. Assange was a threat to that predicate. https://t.co/GVw38wKsPt
I have exhausted myself on the Senate only to accept they are inherently adverse to the evidence because it is evidence of *their* corrupt activity. There will be NOTHING of value for justice *EVER* to come out of the Senate. They are in on it, writ large. ALL OF THEM. https://t.co/g4SdEtDjzw
What do you think? I have some thoughts here, and I want to see if anybody ELSE is thinking what I am. What I am thinking is something I suspected WEEKS AGO, based on several Sundance assertions that seemed just a bit “too knowing”. These tweets revived that suspicion.
I want to see if any of YOU ALL are thinking the same thing.
.@TheLastRefuge2 I think the only thing AG Barr might be doing is to pre-empt your announcement tomorrow, pacify Pres Trump for a few days because he called Barr out on Bartiromo and to keep stalling stalling on the spygate coup. https://t.co/xho70RaTUs
The Last REfuge is a psy-op planted in 2011 and timed to detonate in 2020. We has powers of foresight so advanced it makes even Q people quiver in fear.
"statistically anomalous uptick" I must ask actuary what them big wordz meanz. Very smart fella below haz it all figured. https://t.co/CVQf5HZQt5
Today, our U.S. Attorney Mark Klaasen hosted AG Barr in Cheyenne, Wyoming to meet with the DOJ Wyoming team and local law enforcement. pic.twitter.com/lhUTQuUVML
This thread is meant to contain most of the fighting over Sundance’s upcoming revelations about DOJ, and whatever AG. Bill Barr seems to be doing to preempt those revelations.
We will spawn more threads as needed over the next few days.
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We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
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Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid
OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.
Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.
I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!!
I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.
Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.
TheseTruths
I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!
"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF
SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.
NOW – here is my problem.
Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.
So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.
keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
on The U Tree
I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.
Thanks!
The LancetGateEffect
Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.
This is the article that brought it to my attention:
I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.
Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….
… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….
That was me.
DP, Ginger, and others.
Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go
AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL….. [start of a long comment]
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…
HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.
So what say you?
Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?
THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.
We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.
For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.
I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.
In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.
If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.
There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.
Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.
Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.
If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.
So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.
Ivermectin & COVID-19
Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.
I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.
If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.
This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.
The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!
Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.
What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?
“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.
Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:
less vents
more steroids
better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
more oxygen earlier
better testing, all kinds
As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.
Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.
It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.
It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.
The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.
If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.
Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.
On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic
Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.
If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.
SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.
Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.
A match made in HELL.
Anyway – here is the deal.
We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.
don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation
In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.
By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.
Masks OFF
The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.
I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.
Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.
Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.
I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.
Please dig up EVERY LINK that you can find of anti-HCQ and post it here. Be sure to include a description, including WHO exactly is referenced, to save people time when they go through comments.
Also, I highly recommend SCREENSHOTS, ARCHIVES, etc., and please provide LINKS to any screenshots or archives.
I would love for this blog to be a major contributor to the list of WHO (pun NOW intended) is responsible for anti-HCQ treachery.
Even if somebody is just repeating propaganda, it may help lead back to the source.
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23When He got into the boat, His disciples followed Him. 24Suddenly a violent storm came up on the sea, so that the boat was engulfed by the waves; but Jesus was sleeping. 25The disciples went and woke Him, saying, “Lord, save us! We are perishing!”
26“You of little faith,” Jesus replied, “why are you so afraid?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it was perfectly calm.
27The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the sea obey Him!”
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