“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
This [2Q-6]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
They will be teaching this in sociology classes hundreds of years from now. The quintessential case of how large numbers of experts can be controlled to ends of destructive ignorance – by means of mob rule.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
ON PRAYER
My old ask to PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT was getting stale.
TIME FOR NEW
It’s time to PRAY for those around Trump – all those people who we don’t trust as much as Trump, but who President Trump DEPENDS ON, every day, to GET THE JOB DONE.
I’m not going to pick out anybody by name – that is for YOU to decide.
But I want you to PRAY FOR OTHERS to lift up this President, so that he, too, can SEE THE POWER OF PRAYER even more clearly through them!
Doesn’t matter who it is – even NAMELESS people who may see his pen and signature. Even anonymous patriots who protect him and us every day. Even his wife, his Vice President, and thousands of others – pray for them all to LIFT UP PRESIDENT TRUMP in all possible ways!
Now, especially, let’s pray for people to see the WISDOM in what President Trump is doing!
That includes praying that all of Trump’s Republican supporters come to UNDERSTAND that the QANON movement is not a THREAT, but a STRENGTH.
This person is an extremely good follow on Twitter, by the way.
Border-county taper forming now. Very much in the same natural viral progression as the north latitude taper.
You know what would have been cool? – if an epidemiologist had done this back in Feb, and not me. As if serving their fellow citizens or something crazy like that. pic.twitter.com/Gu4HFHWosU
The extremely important point here is that – as it says at the bottom of the graph, “Coronaviruses are sharply seasonal.” What this means is that coronaviruses spread via THINLY latitudinally banded epidemics. This is very similar to (but not exactly the same as) the phenomenon of the autumnal “leaf season” moving south during the fall, and the spring “blooming season” moving north during the spring.
Based on all of this – the WHEN and the WHERE of coronaviruses blossoming – and the introduction of the virus into America when and where it was introduced, one gets a two-humped graph which looks pretty much like what we got.
Stated simply, the southern states were not at fault for their “re-opening waves”. Likewise, New York was not responsible for suddenly getting better. One might say that, like global warming and cooling, “it was the sun” in both cases.
Yup. Sun worshipers, take note!
Read the replies and comments on the above tweet. Most people don’t spell it out as clearly as I did, but their subtle witty comments are great.
Now, Ethical Skeptic sees through all kinds of stuff like that.
Check THIS out. This is what Trump was talking about with “we’re testing so much!”
Below is what gets human rights criminals so angry about my charts. I cite the fallacy of exploiting raw data to incite despair in one's fellow citizens.
To use the curve on the left in a report/article/analysis is either imbecilic or maliciously criminal. pic.twitter.com/61hULRiaWs
I’m detecting that the cabal is BACKING UP on COVID – we are pushing hard, and they are stumbling back.
KEEP PUSHING!!!
CDC knows: masks were a MISTAKE. They've been pushing a net hypoxic / bacterial negative, and it's showing up in data, I'll bet. This is how they begin backing out while blaming the other side. https://t.co/ASNcrAyayK
— 2024 Democratic National Convention (@DemConvention) August 18, 2020
Here’s one of the milder comments:
This guy performed at the DNC tonight. A preview of the bizarre dystopia we should expect if the Democrats take the presidency. https://t.co/3aw3cGkvES
— Dr Boyce Watkins – Wealth is Power (@drboycewatkins1) August 19, 2020
Here was my gut reaction to Billy Porter and his gown (he’s notorious for wearing them).
Or more directly…..
But, TBH, the thing that’s more subtly off-putting is the…..
RED/GREEN American Flag
You know what I’m sayin’? That ain’t no accident. The RED-GREEN AXIS – Communists – Climate Commies – Islamists.
Stephen Stills is an interesting pick. Long before it was made easy by Hillary and Obama, Stills was traveling regularly to Havana, Cuba, to hang out with Castro and his goons.
I read a GREAT story by an exile who escaped from Cuba. He had been forced to appear at a function where Stills was introduced to the crowd by the communists. Stills tried to “rally the crowd” with communist slogans in Spanish, but the workers who had to actually LIVE under communism, were not impressed. The only person excited to be there?
Stephen Stills.
THAT is Cuban Communism.
So – yes – Stills knows how to rally the communists – OR THEIR VICTIMS.
Spiritual Warfare
I can’t FULLY explain this, because I love it when the dark side doesn’t actually understand how their tricks are going bad (or which trick, in particular).
BUT – I can still inspire you to continue to ACT in spiritual warfare, if I just give you the general idea.
The communists, satanists, and other cabal criminals are constantly trying to snake their way into my life. I almost always catch this. Mostly, it has been communist, or mostly communist, but this time it was straight-up satanist. HOWEVER, in today’s society, most people are simply incapable of seeing this sort of thing.
I am VERY thankful to ALL OF YOU HERE, because it is ONLY because of you, that I was PREPPED to catch this.
SEVERAL individual posts that YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE HERE prepared me not only to SPOT the satanic move – they also gave me the insight to create what I immodestly believe was a BRILLIANT counter-move.
The counter-move executed flawlessly, and evil is neutralized. At least, for the moment.
SO – I just want to THANK YOU ALL for every time you have posted your honest thoughts, beliefs and news on “spiritual warfare”, “dealing with the dark side”, “cabal symbology”, and other such matters.
I caught a REALLY insidious plot move, and totally rick-rolled it, thanks to YOU!!!
W
You heard the chief of police – “Never Going To Let You Down” – THAT is President Trump.
TL;DR – skip down to “Crucial Experiment” and read how you can prove to yourself that masks cause real and measurable cognitive decline that lasts long after you unmask. NPR and other leftists who say masks don’t affect you and your children are LYING.
LOOK, it’s time to be blunt.
Senility – Cognitive Decline – Dementia – OLD GUY BRAIN – Sleepy – whatever you want to call it, it’s just plain EMBARRASSING.
Double that for a DIRTY OLD MAN.
But there is a much bigger story here, than that the Democrats are running a creepy old codger who is now STUPIDER and more CONFUSED than he is CREEPY. Who is now SLEEPIER than CREEPIER.
The bigger story here is that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is performing this sad spectacle of ritual humiliation of America because THAT’S HOW CHINA ROLLS.
Biden isn’t the only one that the ChiNazis are humiliating.
EVERY HUMAN BEING is fair game for the ChiNazis.
Oh, trust me – the Big Brother CCP has its little brother DNC convinced that this Biden insanity is some kind of plan to save their treasonous asses, but that is half a lie for them, and half a lie for everybody else.
The truth is, CCP engages in RITUAL HUMILIATION both because it WORKS to keep people in their places, AND because they ENJOY THE SPECTACLE. The CCP are SADISTS at heart, and they have NEVER encountered a ritual humiliation they don’t enjoy. Their only concern is NOT GETTING CAUGHT, because that reduces the EXTRA JONES and PLEASURABLE PEACE OF MIND they get from knowing the victim is too STUPID to see what is happening to them.
HAPPY SLAVES IS GOOD SLAVES, AND GOOD SLAVES STAY SLAVES.
ChiNazis have all the compassion of Hitler’s SS who RODE ON THE BACKS of black American GIs – forced to crawl on the ground for the Nazis’ amusement.
After having worked with and UNDER a bunch of CCP creeps, who snuck in and took over, I can tell you exactly what is going on with the Democrat party.
Democrats are now the ARM of the CCP in America – a mouthpiece for whatever socialist insanity the ChiComs want to inflict. Every possible hypocrisy will be forced upon us – “rules for thee and not for me” – to get us to knuckle under and accept our “place”.
Biden was a little late to get on the mask train in a big way, which just shows that he’s slow, even compared to various “little tyrant” governors who got there first. Maybe Biden was saving it for his “big opener” after he was assigned Kamala Harris as his running mate.
“I would insist that everybody out in public be wearing that mask.”
Note the subtle combination of CONFUSION and Nazi enforcement reflex in the next one.
“Anyone to reopen would have to make sure that they walked into a business that had masks,” he said.
THAT is some cognitive decline RIGHT THERE. Biden can’t figure out if he’s talking about the store or the customer because he is CONFUSED just by continuous speech.
And if you think Biden is just saying “masks in stores”, think again.
“We absolutely need a clear message from the very top of our federal government that everyone needs to wear a mask in public, period,” he said.
Here is the money quote, that tells you why “Beijing Biden” is so comfortable with the CCP.
“It’s not about your rights; it’s about your responsibilities,” Biden said. He tried to present the issue as a matter of patriotism to protect fellow Americans.
NOW – this is interesting. Watch what Trump says in response.
In a news conference later Thursday, Trump took issue with Biden’s nationwide call for mask-wearing, ignoring that the Democrat urged governors to issue mandates.
“[Biden] does not identify what authority the president has to issue such a mandate,” Trump said, “or why we would be stepping on governors throughout our country.”
Trump added: “If the president has the unilateral power to order every single citizen to cover their face in nearly all instances, what other powers does he have?”
There’s a lot to unpack here.
First of all, Biden’s cognitive decline – just screaming in the second quote. Biden gets confused between the BEGINNING and END of the sentence. That is BAD, and it’s OBVIOUS.
Secondly, note how the media tries to protect Biden here, in essence saying that Trump didn’t say about governors what he said about governors. It’s subtle, but the LyingPress just gets away with it every time.
Joe Biden is pushing a "national mandate to wear a mask" — something we knew he supported, but Democrats claimed he just wanted Governors to do this.
Lastly, note how Trump has gotten the Democrats and the press onto THIN ICE with masks. They sure seem “all in” for masks, don’t they?
Trump never went there – did he? Trump mentioned VOLUNTARY masks from the beginning. He has steadfastly refused to be baited into NON-VOLUNTARY masks, although he has let governors issue what have turned out to be hated and despised mask edicts.
Funny, isn’t it?
In my opinion, Trump gave the Democrats ALL the rope they needed to tie themselves up – and not just that – it was THEIR ROPE – left over from hoarding masks, just like the CCP did. Trump knew the Dems would try to get rid of their masks for CASH, and that they would do it in a bullying and flagrantly despicable style which would be their undoing.
You want to wear masks for the rest of your life? I can tell you exactly who to vote for.
Nope. Trump has BLESSED THE MARRIAGE of Democrats and Masks.
People are going to remember, as they CAST THEIR VOTES TO GET RID OF MASKS.
NOW – I could tell you that Masks are going to be bad for Democrats simply for people hating them, and wanting to get rid of them. But that’s not all.
Masks are going to have their own #LancetGateEffect moment, and Democrats are always going to be remembered as the CCP STOOGES who fell for China’s game of “how can we actually make the stupid Americans stupider?”.
Let’s look more closely.
Rebellion Against Masks on Twitter
I was not originally opposed to masks. I have people I follow on Twitter like yohiobaseball who are vehemently opposed to masks, e.g., Mike DeWine’s mask mandate, and I did not initially go along with their opposition, which was not articulated LOGICALLY, but purely from a FREEDOM standpoint.
The problem was, I was laser-pointered to only look at the GOOD masks MIGHT do in preventing infection by COVID-19. There is some evidence that “masks work” in that respect.
Then, I realized that FLU is actually a much worse problem than COVID-19, and THUS it would be illogical to EVER get rid of masks. That simply doesn’t make sense. The problem is that we are not being logical right now. We didn’t have masks in the past – at a time when we were MORE LOGICAL.
Something is NOT RIGHT with using a “new sub-flu” to make us all wear masks now. What are we missing?
What we are missing is the focus on why we never wore masks before. We are missing the NEGATIVE side of masks.
Why? Because the NEGATIVE side of masks is COMMON SENSE. Masks simply CANNOT help respiration, oxygenation, and COGNITION. They have to hurt – the only question is HOW MUCH.
And THAT is what I “rediscovered” by simply taking my oximeter – left over from COVID self-therapy – and using it to test the effects of my masks.
BASIC. FRIGGING. SCIENCE.
What follows FIRST is a bunch of Twitter “realizations” that masks are problematic, which led to my experiments.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
I will reiterate that there is no reason to wear a mask in your Zoom or Skype meetings as COVID-19 cannot be transmitted via webcam. @JoeBidenpic.twitter.com/M0TMyya98p
"Doctors do it" is simply not a health proof – particularly coming from a profession (I have known many) which often requires or encourages an incredible amount of self-abuse, such as sleep deprivation.
The question of mask/brain O2 deficit and CO2 excess is readily answered.
Spread this around – it's pretty neat. Twitter will suppress, but Sweden got this right. American SAT scores will lose 50-100 pts IMO. Slow hypoxia and hypocapnia from long hours in a mask are clear. Oximeter scale scrunches the data, but it's real.https://t.co/FqFlzlv0Bt
HERE is where I really got it. This is when I started EXPERIMENTING with masks and my oximeter.
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
One of my best realizations with masks is that THEY can stop ME from convincing YOU with MY DATA that masks cause inevitable cognitive decline, because THEY control our communications.
There are more of us than them; they just control the mechanisms that allow us to communicate with each other – nothing more. Remember that!
It’s all part of “reactive disinformation”, something I realized in October of 2017, during the Las Vegas attacks. At that time, “trolls” (in reality, Chertoff-Hayden cubicle rats) were creating NEW photographic meme disinformation in a continuous fashion, REACTING to each discovery we made, to THWART US on discovering what was really going on.
I began to realize that we needed ways to bypass reactive disinformation. Bypassing reactive information is, in fact, part of what Q does.
Modern internet warfare on Twitter is basically a giant distraction from HONEST debate by bombardment with DISINFORMATION using DISHONEST techniques. I have now spent enough time FREE of “Fake Normal” that I remember what HONEST DEBATE includes – and Democrats are INCAPABLE of honest debate.
Real, regular, good science is literally impossible with people who don’t subject their own “side” to scrutiny, but waste EVERYBODY’S time by subjecting what does not need scrutiny to scrutiny.
The answer is to BYPASS DISHONEST PEOPLE. Shut them out of the scrutiny loop.
Yeah, I can stick my numbers out here and we will argue about them because that is how FAKE SCIENCE works now. Fauci calling remdesivir the new standard when it had absolutely cringeable numbers – THAT is Fake Science right there. How do you fight against that crap? You can’t, unless you can FIRE FAUCI and put Dr. Zelenko in his place. You want to see WAR with Bill Gates? Try THAT.
However, they cannot stop YOU from proving TO YOURSELF that masks cause cognitive decline.
Better still, THAT is science itself. Duplicating results – reality checking – reproducibility.
It’s very “Q”. It BYPASSES the reactive disinformation.
Here is how I described the experiment that YOU CAN DO, on Twitter.
Want to play scientist and convince yourself that these idiot masks cause mild cognitive decline? I call it "bidening". The experiment is absolutely convincing, and you don't have to trust anybody but yourself.
Twitter is absolutely suppressing the hell out of all my stuff, and this tweet is getting it BIG TIME.
That is exactly why I’m BRINGING IT HERE. Let’s dig in.
Subvert masks. MODEL things like….
– stealthy removal – "cheater breaths" – pull out the chin to deep breath – use an oximeter (O2 drops from 98-99 to 95-97) which infects people with the idea that masks cause mild and measurable cognitive decline (they do) – test yourself
The easiest way for me (retired scientist) to convince people that masks cause mild cognitive decline (I call it "bidening") is to get people to simply duplicate my experiments. It will cost under $50. Oximeter is about $40, then get a bandana and several types of masks.
The oximeter scale is not simple linear 0-99 – it's scrunched at the top. 93 is trouble, upper 80s is hospital time.
The scale is 99 (normal alert), 98 (calm), 97 (sleepy, yawning), 96 (groggy), 95 (nodding off). Below that are regions bordering on apnea. Masks drop you 1-2.
If you breathe hard through a mask (hyperventilate) you can keep blood O2 at 99, but you can't function and remember to breathe hard, plus hyperventilating causes CO2 to get weird and you will slow down even if you don't want to. Ironically, COVID messes up O2/CO2 balance, too.
Young & healthy people are more adept at maintaining "decent" (not optimal) cognition with a mask, by breathing hard regularly to keep in the 99-98 region. Exercise and work forces hard breathing, making masks less problematic. Masks are more insidious during periods of calm.
An excellent experiment is to make a LOG of your O2 and heart bpm readings when you go to the store and wear a mask, recording as often as possible: exact time, O2, bpm, how you feel and what you're thinking, how you're breathing, etc. Borderline O2 values get called 97.5, etc.
Bpm values wander, just pick a consistent method of calling them. Be objective – strong standards – avoid bias. Note your breathing, and remember that the busier you are recording, the less likely you'll try to influence the data by "choosing" to breath consciously, vs. sub.
Also remember that your BRAIN oxygen LAGS your blood oxygen, AND your brain oxygen will accumulate deficits, and THAT is where masks worn "faithfully" are really, really bad. The ChiComs and Dems really hosed our kids with these damn things – the BRAIN O2 deficits build up.
As you begin wearing your mask and journaling – objectively reporting in grand detail what happens to you and how you feel, there will be "known indicators" that you will consciously recognize as you go along. Those are very helpful, and your recording them as you go is great!
You will begin to see that you forget the more complex details of your own rules – then you will see yourself forgetting more and more basic things. This will surprise you. KEEP THE EXPERIMENT GOING. Soon, you will forget what you were doing. You will repeat things wrongly.
The best proofs of cognitive decline are the mistakes that you don't catch until later. When you go back and look at the data, you will see when you were literally "bidening".
Keep up the experiment for at least a half hour of mask wear, up to an hour. That will be plenty.
When you remove your mask, keep up the journaling for at least half an hour. You aren't optimally safe to drive for 30 minutes after wearing a mask. I can tell you that I compared driving right after mask removal to waiting a half hour, and the latter showed FAR better driving.
You can wait for Fauci to pimp some double-blind mask study (expect #MaskGate, too!), or you can just do the experiment for under $50 and learn the truth yourself. You can BORROW somebody's oximeter. No matter what, I recommend playing with the device for a week or two first.
I've done experiments with various masks, and I'm absolutely convinced that they shave 1-2 points off blood oxygen, and even more off BRAIN CHEMISTRY, which would likely show up as double digits on an SAT, LSAT, MCAT or GRE test. Masks on kids? RIDICULOUS.
After #LancetGate, and the #LancetGateEffect (which is the extra deaths clearly visible from the fraudulent paper), nobody is going to tell me that science done by average people is any less trustworthy than "professional" science, since now I've done both myself.
Again, the key to doing this experiment is to create an overly elaborate method of recording data that includes very particular ways of spacing, punctuation, grammar, allowed terms, allowed notations, etc. Maybe a list of things to check yourself on, and an order to do it in. Practice it a few times without the mask to validate that you can do it, but right before you put on your mask. Keep these rules IN MEMORY – essentially IN RAM – and particularly your SHORT-TERM MEMORY. Thus, I suggest NOT writing any of these rules down. Force your brain to WORK.
It’s a lot like taking an SAT test, isn’t it? EXACTLY MY POINT. You are forced by both test rules and TIME to keep stuff in memory. We are creating fresh memories, and then watching masks DEGRADE THEM.
You will see FOR YOURSELF that masks degrade your short-term memory, and keep it degraded for a surprisingly long time.
Conclusions
Let me give you some of the “conclusions”.
The most important thing I found is that masks make people FORGETFUL. Not just me – I am now able to spot “mask head” in other people. It’s FREAKY. It’s like being in a science fiction movie and spotting the puppetmaster on people’s BACKS. Or is it a FACEHUGGER?
“Sorry – I asked you that already, didn’t I?”
“Yes! That’s the mask, actually! Masks make you forget stuff.”
One of the very first times I wore a mask in a store, I found myself getting more and more forgetful, going down my list of items. Near the end, I felt like reality was becoming a bit “dreamy”, so I figured I needed to GET OUT AND GET SOME AIR. I then FORGOT the last item – the one that my wife had specifically asked me to get.
Interestingly, that time I not only caught myself SPEEDING on the way home – in a place that I pride myself on NOT speeding – I later FORGOT LOADING THE GROCERIES INTO THE CAR. I had no memories of it. It was FREAKY. I had MISSING TIME. I felt real worry that I had left the groceries in the cart at the store. I had one of those “OMG” moments. I had to search my mind to realize that I had both forgotten to load the groceries into the car, but also I had also just put them away at home.
It was ILLOGICAL, but those were my memories. Of course, MKULTRA works similarly, but let’s not go there now. Maybe another time.
MISSING TIME FROM MASKS. And the effect is beautifully consistent with logic. It takes time – it’s cumulative – it has a latency, and it wears off. It took over half an hour for the effect to build up to where it was making me forget things significantly, and it took about half an hour for the effect to fully wear off.
It’s the mask. It is simply the mask.
Now – not all masks are the same. For me, the bandana is the worst. My numbers go down quickly to 96 or 97, and don’t get back up easily. Rapid breathing doesn’t raise my O2 as quickly as with either a “regular real mask” or my “cheater fashion mask”.
Obviously, I rarely use my bandana any more, except for experiments.
My regular store masks – the normal ones everybody wears – are better, but I still get hypoxia, followed by strong, measurable cognitive deficits with them. However, when I am wearing a mask in a place where I absolutely want to avoid any drama, and my time will be short, I stick to these masks that “blend in” with the crowd.
My “fashion mask” barely covers my chin. Hard breaths get strong oxygen immediately, relieving the hypoxia. That is what I wear when I don’t need to impress any Mask Karens or Mask Nazis.
Another thing is this. Yes, the oximeter scale is “scrunched up” to where meaningful stuff for normies wearing masks is roughly four numbers – 96, 97, 98, 99 – and if you interpret the oximeter waffling between these numbers as 96.5, 97.5, and 98.5, then you basically have 7 numbers you’re likely to see. It’s surprising how much you can prove with just those 7 numbers, but there is a reason for that, too – the COGNITIVE SCALE is also scrunched up near the top.
That is a POWERFUL realization, and NOT KNOWING IT is how the NPR lie works.
NPR has a pro-mask television ad with a soy boy, trying to convince you that “masks make sense” and “masks are smart”. It has a very cunning “proof” that hypoxia is not a problem – the soy boy says they’re not a problem, while showing a doctor in a gown and goggles and a mask showing you an oximeter on “99”, and then the doctor shrugs.
That is PURE PROPAGANDA. It’s not science. What YOU are doing is science, and what you are going to confirm is COMMON SENSE.
SO – that is why I am using the VERY FINE-GRAINED TEST of journaling with lots of little rules that you make up before, about how you are going to record and format your observations. With a small window of numbers that go from nodding off to alert, and a mind that – IRONICALLY – is going soft right when you should be making critical observations about your mind going soft, then it is the SET OF DETAILED PICAYUNE RULES for recording your observations that serves as the fine-grained test of cognitive ability – in addition to how you subjectively feel.
Self- analyzing your performance – being as hard on yourself as you are mentally able to do – will reveal your cognitive decline from masking.
So what’s next?
Well, some of us should not be wearing masks AT ALL. And yet, in my nearest “deep blue zone”, the TDS mayor actually EXCEEDS the regional mask mandate, by not allowing people to NOT wear a mask. You MUST wear a “face covering” into government buildings.
My recommendation in such cases is to wear a plastic face shield, as loosely as possible.
But that is not all. We need to work very hard to UNMASK, and to get around this unhealthy BS which has been foisted on us and our children in the name of health.
So let’s turn to MASK REBELLION.
How To Rebel Against Masks
Help unset the precedent. Violate idiot mask protocols as much as possible up to the point of legal non-compliance.
Masks induce mild cognitive deficits that last after you demask and harm your driving ability. It's damn near a DUTY to begin rebelling against mask nonsense.
People tend to be either “all in” on masks, or “all in” on mask rebellion.
What I advocate is SMART REBELLION. And part of smart rebellion against masks is for us to do back to the commies what they did to us – but OPENLY, PROUDLY, and LOGICALLY.
We need to SUBVERT masks, and encourage others who wish to join us, to join us.
substitute “social distancing” whenever allowed to do so (typically outside stores)
take “cheater breaths” around the mask whenever you feel like breathing harder
pull the mask away when you talk, so that you can be understood
wear the thinnest and least hypoxia-inducing mask you can find
point out “mask head” to forgetful people in a nice, concerned way
use a face shield instead and tell people why
use opportunities to tell people about mask hypoxia
show people your oximeter and explain how it shows mask hypoxia
use the oximeter in public and show people the truth
make your BREATHING FREELY in public very obvious and SMILE BIGLY
Another successful day of shopping without a mask…
I will be getting a face shield shortly, and I will likewise do an oximeter experiment with it. Yeah, it will look stupid as hell, but hopefully somebody will ask.
Real science is coming back, one person at a time.
W
PS – thanks to Dep Pat for this wonderful CLOWN WORLD video!
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ON PRAYER
My old ask to PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT was getting stale.
TIME FOR NEW
It’s time to PRAY for those around Trump – all those people who we don’t trust as much as Trump, but who President Trump DEPENDS ON, every day, to GET THE JOB DONE.
I’m not going to pick out anybody by name – that is for YOU to decide.
But I want you to PRAY FOR OTHERS to lift up this President, so that he, too, can SEE THE POWER OF PRAYER even more clearly through them!
Doesn’t matter who it is – even NAMELESS people who may see his pen and signature. Even anonymous patriots who protect him and us every day. Even his wife, his Vice President, and thousands of others – pray for them all to LIFT UP PRESIDENT TRUMP in all possible ways!
And ONE final prayer request. Pray for the Trump brothers, specifically.
My condolences to Pres @realdonaldtrump on the passing of his younger brother Robert. Losing a sibling is a terrible thing made so much worse by all the suffering in the world right now from the #coronavirus. I wish the President and his family Gd's comfort in this difficult time
I have a great article coming, so I will keep this short. For now I want to encourage you to think about WAYS OF SUBVERTING the masks that DUMB US DOWN FOR CHINA.
We all know those brave souls who stand up to mask mandates openly, but not all of us are able to weather those storms. Some have tried and have felt beaten and demoralized. Some are leery to even try.
Too many people who ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be wearing masks are being FORCED TO DO SO by “Karen World”.
"Doctors do it" is simply not a health proof – particularly coming from a profession (I have known many) which often requires or encourages an incredible amount of self-abuse, such as sleep deprivation.
The question of mask/brain O2 deficit and CO2 excess is readily answered.
I want to instill QUIET COLONIST REBELLION against hypoxia-inducing, cognition-decreasing, DANGEROUS masks.
Think about ways to rebel against the MASK NAZIS, and be ready for my article!
ChiCom Risks
Yes – let’s follow the story from useful idiot MASK NAZIS back to CHINAZIS.
Even Twitter is now waking up to the fact that China is doing everything possible to destroy America, and you will see this in my upcoming article on useless, dangerous, China-imposed MASKS, very shortly.
If Twitter has decided to END its hypocrisy in going after ONLY Trump, by labeling CHINA TWEETS as what they are, then at least their censorship is a little more even-handed, but I also think (at)jackboot is getting wise to the fact that CCP is using DNC like a rented mule. CCP doesn’t care if they destroy DNC during their get-away.
And that’s just the beginning…..
China’s Thousand Talents Plan recruits foreign researchers, including Americans, and offers monetary incentives to hand their research over to Beijing. We need to stop the #CCP’s systematic campaign to steal their way to the top.https://t.co/gU2J7rtwYI
I am still SHOCKED by the indictment of Harvard’s *DEPARTMENT HEAD* Charles Lieber. Talk about going straight for the top. Top administrator at a top chemistry university.
Say what you will about Wray – this was a HUGE bust. Never in my wildest dreams.
Yes – what I saw in science was alarming. I was RIGHT THERE in the middle of a bunch of the world’s sketchiest ChiComs – AND YET I never heard ANYTHING about their “Thousand Talents” (OF SILVER) bribery program. That’s how well they kept this under wraps. And SMART, too – they must have known I would have raised a flag if I knew about Thousand Talents.
Sure, maybe I had nothing they wanted, but I never heard scuttlebutt of this program from ANYBODY.
Of course, maybe they only show researchers the “Thousand Talents” contract after the “perky little tits” have been shoved at potential recipients one time too many. I did “almost run into” some of that action.
Notice the name? The cunning joke of betrayal as a subtext? That is CLASSIC CHICOM. They love to CROW over their victims, with the victims not realizing what is going on. Or maybe the sell-outs DO realize that they’re selling out, because they have little choice, or it gets worse.
There is NO AMOUNT OF KARMA that the ChiComs don’t deserve here.
There is some talk that BANNON is a victim of CCP shenanigans. My thoughts…..
This guy is supposedly an anti-Chicom activist . . . but WSJ story says in fact he may be a double agent. Bannon may have been had.
Without even looking, I can tell you that "controlled opposition" in the China camp is filled with ringers and manipulable fools. Just like Russia AND Ukraine are both filled with "ex"-Soviet peril, China, HK, Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia – all are deadly on ChiCom risks.
The ChiComs can use ANYBODY. but they prefer white-face and black-face in America, because it's easy and leaves no fingerprints, so why not? They get HK to "help" in their sleep. Bannon's happy-go-lucky footsie with HK just made me cringe, TBH. "Too casual" is his weakness.
Bottom line – anybody who gets anywhere NEAR ChiComs or WHO THEY TOUCH is at risk. They will MESS WITH YOU in any way they can. They will SNAKE you with influence, spying, exfiltration, sabotage, or life and reputation damage through whatever means are possible.
It’s a real shame that one has to be CAREFUL A.F. with even the nicest, most honest, communist-hating Chinese Americans, but even ABC (American-born Chinese) are deeply and heavily infiltrated and influenced by the ChiComs, and if you have a Chinese spouse or “significant other”, prepare for dangerous and “interesting” times!
Reality doesn’t care about “it sure would be nice if everything and everybody was on the up and up”.
That ain’t the way it is.
Dealing With AQQusing Libs
Right now, when “Q” has been brought to the foreground by Fake News attacking POTUS, there may be a temptation to hang back. DON’T. There has never been a time like now to just dump Epstein and company all over the left. We own everything but “cannibals”, and who knows what is coming? And while you’re at it, jump up and down on “The Hoax” for all you’re worth! The HOAX that Q got right, and THEY got wrong.
Hilarious that Fake News threw "cannibals" in there JUST TO MAKE SURE that it wan't obviously true, since Democrat bundlers, aides, millionaires and interns arrested in the last few years on child porn or human trafficking charges are pretty much a satanic cult of pedophiles. https://t.co/pmfwrDqdO3pic.twitter.com/BU6EaHNwvl
OK, maybe not cannibals, Fake News. Grand jury is still out there. But – well – Trump seems to have done something about global elite pedophile satanists and managed to shutter their temple! pic.twitter.com/AvnyWJEjNb
"Columbia". Wasn't Comey's nerdy BFF who helped in the lawfare coup from there? Seems to be a magnet with credibility cover for a lot of unsavory types. pic.twitter.com/iMxeWuBXZH
Here are some selections from a RANT THREAD on Twitter…..
The only "toxic and dangerous conspiracy" I see is the ridiculous phony Democrat "news" that has reached Soviet levels of cringe. The fact that an anonymous TROLLING PSY-OP and its followers – urged to be PEACEFUL and TRUTHFUL – can drive these Bolshie betas nuts? Beautiful. https://t.co/STnYsP19uo
Yeah, these faux journalists are scared – and they should be. To even characterize QAnon as a "conspiracy" is just DUMB at levels a 1970's pre-progzi high-school paper would not fall for.
A "conspiracy" is what Hillary and her supporters did to TRUMP. AND WE HAVE PROOF.
One of the things I find devastating to the left is to make sure they understand they are reacting to a PSY-OP. I’m careful not to call QAnon “just” a psy-op – that diminishes a TRUTH PROJECT, and such things are grand endeavors. Q is way more than just a psy-op or a troll against the Fake News. But TWISTING the Q phenomenon off their shill position that it’s a “conspiracy” or a “conspiracy theory” is exactly where I love to go, in proving that THEY are not reporting it correctly.
They know it’s a psy-op aimed at them, and they can’t report it.
MAKE. THEM. GROVEL. IN. THEIR. FAKE. NEWS. DENIAL.
People say "psy-op" like it's a bad thing. This nation's FLAG and ANTHEM celebrate a successful psy-op against the British. A beautiful operation where more people gave their lives for a psychological victory than a naval tactical one. Absolutely inspiring.
The question of FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, the indictment of whom was POSSIBLY announced by AG William Barr in response to Sundance’s announcement of an imminent release about DOJ, is very interesting.
Clinesmith is the guy who altered an email about Carter Page, hiding that Page was a CIA source, and thus allowed the BAD Carter Page FISA to continue to be used against Trump.
Is Clinesmith cooperating? How MUCH is he cooperating? People are speculating like crazy. A lot of people are taking Barr’s “gib” as a sign that BIG FISH ARE GONNA BE IN THE FRYIN’ PAN! Clinesmith has to be cooperating! He’s SINGING!!!
Really? “Trey Gowdy really?” Are we sure this isn’t more “Tick Tock Club”?
Remember James Wolfe? He THREATENED to give up a bunch of people in the Senate. Sure seems very convenient that DOJ attorney Jussie K. Liu made that all go away with a wrist-slap for lying to the FBI.
Yeah, but now it’s DURHAM. And Durham is a “straight shooter”!
OK, so you say Sundance says Durham’s not real, yada yada yada, but throw that all aside – Clinesmith is TALKING. RIGHT?
Set aside the possibility – which I think is very real – that MKULTRA techniques may have been used on Clinesmith, to insure he would “come through” on “Carter Page not a source”. Totally subconscious. He won’t remember a thing. Those techniques can also interfere with investigation. “Missing time.” Gaps in memory. There is some possibility that these techniques can be REVERSED, but SET THAT ASIDE, TOO.
We simply need to know two things:
is Clinesmith giving up useful evidence which will get more coupsters?
is OTHER evidence accumulating that will get more coupsters?
If you read the article, you will see that this reasoning is based on the fact that Carter Page is KNOWN to have sent a letter to Comey, telling him that he had worked for the CIA. Page copied a WITNESS on it, so this is a KNOWN FACT.
In my opinion, TGP is overstating the case by ASSUMING that Comey believed that letter. Well, whether or not Comey believed he letter, we know that FBI top brass was RE-ASKING the lowers about Carter Page’s CIA status when Clinesmith DOCTORED THE EMAIL to hide it. So in my opinion, Comey was getting COVER from Clinesmith when he asked for VALIDATION on Carter Page having no relationship to the CIA.
Clinesmith GAVE Comey that cover by doctoring the email.
So GREAT – there has to be some smoking gun where Comey or McCabe or SOMEBODY told Clinesmith what to do – to doctor the email – RIIIIIIIGHT?
WRONG! There may be, but we don’t know yet.
OK, then. Is it the opposite? Clinesmith did it all by himself – right? End of the line? One guy caused all this damage by doctoring an email?
ALSO WRONG! It may be, but we don’t know yet.
I want to know more about what DOJ is holding here.
I am now asking that all discussion of “YAY” or “NAY” on Sundance be kept on THAT THREAD.
You want to fight about whether you trust Sundance? Keep it on that thread. I do NOT want ANY of that stuff on this thread, and that includes ME responding to you. I will not delete your post and leave mine – I will delete MY response as I realize what I’m responding to, then your post.
We are ONLY going to be talking about Sundance’s new assertions and evidence PER SE and what we think about them. Not “in general” – very specifically. Fighting over Sundance as a source will be ejected from this thread WITH PREJUDICE. That includes waffly “not so sure about this” questioning of the evidence, as a sneaky way to bring “anti-Sundance Eeyorism” [oh, I love the KARMA on that one] into the discussion. GOT LOGIC? Good. We like LOGICAL THINKING because we’re Q followers.
Advice? LURK if you can’t zip your fly and restrain from pissing on SD. Since I can’t BAN FROM THREADS, I’ll just DELETE YOUR POSTS.
Understood? Good.
We have free speech – and some of it is over THERE so that those of us who want to actually discuss the evidence can do so here.
This is like a Trump rally. We have a demonstration zone which has just as big a digital footprint as this one – it’s just OVER THERE.
HERE WE GO.
Sundance is now showing more strongly his theory that the Mueller SC, really the Weissmann SC, is central to the coup. This is TODAY’S TWITTER TIMELINE.
It’s FEAR. Weissmann is starting to panic that all will discover the true agenda of HIS special counsel operation. What they did is stunning!! https://t.co/BbXeagoYXM
Weissmann took the investigative file from WFO SSA Dugan and removed the content damaging to their position on the FISA application (the 2017 criminal leak via Wolfe). Weissmann then tipped-off the targets and used the SC authorities to cover up the entire SSCI operation. https://t.co/ATP7LAsSaj
This is why when the SC released the FISA application on July 21, 2018, (FOIA guise), they actually released the SSA Dugan March 17, 2017, copy of the app.
The SC then added the two April and June copies to fulfill the full production; and expected no-one would notice. https://t.co/3DC2Px6L8v
It's a really simple issue to prove. If Main Justice did not have Dugan's WFO investigative file they wouldn't have been able to release his exact equity. Dugan was smart, going to FISC that's why the March 17th stamp was needed. It proved provenance and chain of custody. https://t.co/0uj5m3jkFB
Warner/Waldman texts were part of Dugan's file; putting him in the "skif" at 4:02pm on March 17, 2017 w/Wolfe. Weissmann tipped-off Warner, provided time for false story, then provided texts. Evidence removed.
Despite physical surveillance (outlining contacts), Dugan couldn't get warrant on Vice-chair of SSCI w/out tipping off crew. So, what did he do,… he went the backdoor and gained same info from Waldman's side of conversation. Look at texts, they are from Waldman's side. https://t.co/dxMefjpUxv
And….. Don't forget…. Waldman was representing (pro bono) Julian Assange. Which is how the SC kept the other dangerous issue under wraps. Their investigation was predicated on the DNC leak attributed to Russia. Assange was a threat to that predicate. https://t.co/GVw38wKsPt
I have exhausted myself on the Senate only to accept they are inherently adverse to the evidence because it is evidence of *their* corrupt activity. There will be NOTHING of value for justice *EVER* to come out of the Senate. They are in on it, writ large. ALL OF THEM. https://t.co/g4SdEtDjzw
What do you think? I have some thoughts here, and I want to see if anybody ELSE is thinking what I am. What I am thinking is something I suspected WEEKS AGO, based on several Sundance assertions that seemed just a bit “too knowing”. These tweets revived that suspicion.
I want to see if any of YOU ALL are thinking the same thing.
.@TheLastRefuge2 I think the only thing AG Barr might be doing is to pre-empt your announcement tomorrow, pacify Pres Trump for a few days because he called Barr out on Bartiromo and to keep stalling stalling on the spygate coup. https://t.co/xho70RaTUs
The Last REfuge is a psy-op planted in 2011 and timed to detonate in 2020. We has powers of foresight so advanced it makes even Q people quiver in fear.
"statistically anomalous uptick" I must ask actuary what them big wordz meanz. Very smart fella below haz it all figured. https://t.co/CVQf5HZQt5
Today, our U.S. Attorney Mark Klaasen hosted AG Barr in Cheyenne, Wyoming to meet with the DOJ Wyoming team and local law enforcement. pic.twitter.com/lhUTQuUVML
This thread is meant to contain most of the fighting over Sundance’s upcoming revelations about DOJ, and whatever AG. Bill Barr seems to be doing to preempt those revelations.
We will spawn more threads as needed over the next few days.
This [Q-3]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
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If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid
OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.
Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.
I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!!
I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.
Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.
TheseTruths
I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!
"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF
SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.
NOW – here is my problem.
Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.
So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.
keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
on The U Tree
I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.
Thanks!
The LancetGateEffect
Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.
This is the article that brought it to my attention:
I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.
Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….
… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….
That was me.
DP, Ginger, and others.
Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go
AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL….. [start of a long comment]
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…
HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.
So what say you?
Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?
THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.
We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.
For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.
I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.
In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.
If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.
There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.
Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.
Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.
If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.
So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.
Ivermectin & COVID-19
Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.
I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.
If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.
This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.
The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!
Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.
What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?
“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.
Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:
less vents
more steroids
better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
more oxygen earlier
better testing, all kinds
As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.
Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.
It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.
It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.
The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.
If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.
Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.
On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic
Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.
If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.
SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.
Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.
A match made in HELL.
Anyway – here is the deal.
We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.
don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation
In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.
By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.
Masks OFF
The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.
I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.
Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.
Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.
I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.
So – treasonous communist VALERIE JARRETT and her PROG COMMIE friends say that we must treat “whichever” black female VP pick Biden makes (clearly they were planning on Kamala Harris) with some sort of artificial respect based on her – well, just read it.
To me, rich, attractive, powerful and “officially race-blessed” as “””special””” people like Kamala Harris are a JOKE when they rely on any kind of “woe, me” SAFE SPACE protection.
The woman is a hoaxing monster, closely tied to the 3rd-generation Russian Red Diaper Jussie Smollett CRIMINAL HOAX and its cover up. She and fellow neo-commie Cory Booker CONSPIRED to create a FALSE and SLANDEROUS national media and government “lynching narrative” which the criminal communist Democrats even now continue to inflict on us, e.g., Bubba Smollett of NASCAR’s demise, as they tear down our cities.
THIS SITE was targeted in their lynching narrative, as I also fended off their SICK HOLDER HOLDOUT DOJ/FBI comrades, trying to set me up for a nice media bust to somehow tie to Trump. THAT ended when BARR took over DOJ, and now it’s time to take the fight BACK TO THE COMMUNIST SOURCE.
THIS THREAD will be a CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMPENDIUM of crypto-communist Kamala Harris’ CRIMES and MISDEEDS – her socialist excess – her hypocrisy – her PHONY CHARACTER, in every way possible – and everything else for which she deserves to come nowhere NEAR the Presidency of this great nation.
BRING IT HERE. ALL OF IT. GROW THE GARDEN OF TRUE DIRT FROM WHICH WISDOM SHALL SPRING.
This [(10*Q) + 7]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY where Q = 0 open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
The following is an excerpt from the brief being filed today in Maryland state court in Attkisson v. Rosenstein and others for the government computer intrusions.
Plaintiff Sharyl Attkisson, an award-winning journalist—along with her husband and child—have tried for years to pursue their significant and credible claims of illegal government surveillance, but the U.S. Government has stonewalled them at every turn. Yet, despite the Government’s repeated efforts to obfuscate and delay, the Attkissons detailed in their Complaint:
Expert forensic computer analysis of the Attkissons’ computers, revealing that an unauthorized entity or entities gained remote access to the Attkissons’ computers for a prolonged period, and that one of the pathways by which the intrusions occurred were IP addresses controlled by the U.S. Government.
Confirmation, via testimony, that the U.S. Government controlled the IP addresses identified in the Attkissions’ computers.
The degree to which senior figures in the Department of Justice were concerned about, and took steps to block, Sharyl Attkisson’s reporting, as well as her use of confidential governmental sources;
Many documented instances of abnormal, otherwise unexplained behavior of the Attkissons’ computer systems and devices.
But then it gets interesting…..
Plaintiffs’ investigator has interviewed Ryan White, a Government whistleblower (and named Defendant). During this interview, White made the following significant assertions:
White worked with defendants Sean Bridges (who was then a Secret Service agent) and the FBI’s Shawn Henry in Baltimore and reported directly to defendant Rod Rosenstein.
White and Agent Bridges were ordered to conduct various clandestine operations involving hacking computer systems, servers, emails, and phones.
White and Agent Bridges were directly involved in the illegal surveillance of the Attkissons’ computers and the exfiltration of data.
The rogue order to target the Attkissons came directly from Agent Henry and Rosenstein.
Later, Agent Bridges and another federal agent were convicted of corrupt acts for their involvement in the Government’s notorious Silk Road Task Force, also based in Baltimore, in which corruption by federal agents was uncovered, resulting in the convictions of Bridges and another federal agent.
As far as I can tell, the surveillance of journalists at that point (2009-2012) was coming from Obama and ERIC HOLDER. So if Rosey was working Holder’s game under Obama, this fits in perfectly with everything I know about DOJ intentions and actions during the first 2 years of the Trump White House, when Rosey and Holder’s lieutenant Tashina Gauhar were running the show.
Rosey sure looks like a black hat to me. But I’m listening. If Rosey was an informant, then WHO was he informing under Obama and Mueller, as Mueller was clearly allowing spying on Attkisson, and planting of incriminating documents on her laptop?
But let’s move on, since Rosey’s guilt or innocence may be reflected in any upcoming indictments…..
Trump’s tweet on the getaway is wonderful. Sundance clearly SAVED it, lest it disappear. Or DID IT ALREADY? I cannot find it.
ANYWHO – indictments are very likely coming SOON.
This is worth a listen (in thread). I take it as a tip that there will be some predictable turbulence when indictments hit, and security has already prepared for it. Seatbelts. https://t.co/pUx0Xui5K3pic.twitter.com/0B2ZAGrCBw
Scientifically, this is exactly where I was when Didier Raoult (or Raoult Didier – whatever his name is) published his first “pay dirt” data with demonstrable dose-related antiviral activity in ALL test subjects. His numbers can be off by a factor of 50%, and it’s still huge and can’t be explained away as anything but SOME kind of real effect.
Numbers like these are either massive fraud or pay dirt. And they could be real nuggets. With a solid, known antiviral explanation, it’s almost certainly REAL.
Now – let’s take a look at a country a bit off the commonly argued map. You don’t hear a lot about COVID-19 in Turkey. Here’s why.
The situation isn’t done in Turkey – they are teetering very close to lockdowns. Turkey is trying the same thing as Trump – avoiding lockdowns. A lot of information on how hard that has been, in this article.
Scott Adams found Turkey’s claimed near-100% effectiveness of contact tracing a bit unbelievable, and I have to agree – it’s not easy to either prove or disprove such a claim, but in a country like Turkey, it should be nearly impossible to contact everybody catching the disease.
Who believes Turkey has an extensive testing/tracing network that is making a difference? https://t.co/HMvMWsSekb
NEVERTHELESS, those people who DO get caught by contact tracing ARE very likely to live, if they are getting HCQ as early as possible. See how that works? The more the tracers catch, the more contacts they find, the more contacted contacts are WAITING FOR SYMPTOMS with their HCQ in hand, and the more likely the HCQ is going to work. Clearly, [HCQ + contact tracing] makes sense. BUT here is the deal. People have to TRUST the government behind it.
Not exactly easy in New York.
Moving on, HERE is the biggie. I call it the “LancetGate Effect”.
Yes, that would be THE Steven Hatfill, falsely accused by Mueller in the 2001 anthrax attacks.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
Peter Navarro – THE KILLER – tweeted the article.
Dr. Steven Hatfill's clutch hit. Best take down of anti-Trump Hydroxy Hysteria media this side of @ScottAdamsSays CNN might be killing tens of thousands. https://t.co/b4ThfIaQvG
And then I introduced HIM to something even more shocking.
There was a LancetGate Effect in The United States.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
Now – I’m not going to show you this – you have to dig to find – but in the wake of my comments, Daughn came in for an assist, and we were then both engaged by HCQ opponents. One kept emphasizing that FDA head Hahn, who was in charge when the EUA was rescinded, is a Trump appointee – like this was going to bother me somehow.
NO. TRUTH IS TRUTH.
I thought this was clearly an attempt to generate “Alinsky fears” – specifically POLITICS BEFORE SCIENCE, because it might hurt Trump or Hahn, as a way of shutting me up.
NONSENSE!
Hahn, as I tried to explain, has his own mind. I LIKE THAT. It’s like the way things used to be. I believe that Trump hired him because Hahn is a strong believer in FAST TRACKING new drugs, like Trump is. A believer in TRUMP TIME. Hahn’s opinion on HCQ, wrong as it turns out to be, is secondary. This is WAR, people make mistakes, people die. Generals and Colonels live with this horrible responsibility, and WE SOLDIERS SUPPORT THEM.
BUCK UP, WORLD. We do our best, we trust in God, but we do NOT lie and cover up when we understand error. People have been all over the place on HCQ, but when the chips come in STRONGLY that it works, and even more so that banning it is a PROVABLE mistake, we have to consider CHANGING COURSE.
One way to do that would be to listen to Dr. Zelenko and have a NEW EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for HCQ – this time without Rick Bright’s toxic “hospitals only” poison pill attached.
YES! We can RECOVER from the LancetGate blunder by doing what Zelenko suggests.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
HCQ Insights
One way to make Zelenko’s new EUA actually happen would be to INCLUDE NEW DRUGS – albeit handled DIFFERENTLY from HCQ, as part of the EUA.
I call this the “EUA EUA“.
“Early Use of Antivirals Emergency Use Authorization”
The way this would work is to grant flexibility to doctors WORKING WITH pharmaceutical companies and state governments to try new antivirals early in the disease process upon confirmed diagnosis. HCQ is well-tested, and as the “standard of this EUA”, it becomes the GOLD STANDARD of safety and efficacy for other newer drugs to beat, using whatever delivery tricks and codrugs make these other drugs work best. Those drugs need every advantage we can find for them, just like South Korea (zinc), Didier Rauout (azithromycin), and Zelenko (zinc + azithromycin, very early) found for HCQ.
One of my rationales here is that we can reduce or even remove toxicity from the equation by low-dosing a lot of these drugs, since EARLY use can mean less drug needed for the more toxic ones. In some ways, what I am doing here is learning from sabotage studies of HCQ, which used massive and toxic doses LATE. We are doing the opposite – trying to “help” alternatives to HCQ by giving THEM access to patients at the same time when HCQ works best. Some – maybe even most patients may still opt for HCQ, but others may welcome new drugs like EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, the latter of which may prove to be effective not just late, but early as well.
The point is, get EVERYBODY early, so we remove the incentive to let patients deteriorate, which is now “imposed” on drugs which need desperate patients for “right to try”. The EUA, in essence, would EXPAND right to try to early or even asymptomatic patients – not just patients at death’s door.
The EUA EUA *removes* any incentive to delay treatment, or to bash HCQ, but at the same time, it doesn’t blockade new drugs from access to patients at the time when THEY might be very effective, too, which our current system, weirdly, does.
WIN, WIN, WIN.
#LancetGate had a terrible price! #HCQ bans and discouragements KILL.
I think a new EUA that included both #HCQ *and* other drugs in the pipeline having antiviral actions, FOR EARLY USE (badly needed for antivirals) is the big life-saver, that would get buy-in from Big Pharma. pic.twitter.com/Dt3Fb5NXUZ
This will not only help absolve @US_FDA on the #LancetGate-effect downside of rescinding the prior EUA (by compensating quickly) – it will provide HCQ as an automatic standard to beat with new agents in compassionate horse-races EARLY. Basically moves up "right to try".
The fundamental problem we're ALL facing is what @zev_dr saw first – antivirals need to be early, but we perpetually move risks LATE in treatment (for good reasons). But I believe super-early and *LOW DOSE* may be KEY to next-gen agents AND antiviral therapies, avoiding tox.
I'm very excited about EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, with the latter now in use LATE. Opening up early treatment and letting HCQ be the punching bag old coach standard will breed champions. pic.twitter.com/MWGHYWG8eh
NOW – about HCQ alleged toxicity. Here is an AR-15 of logic to take down trolls.
It’s important to address the cardiac toxicity issue head on, because that “problem” is really a deflection by people who “pretend not to know” how minor the problem really is, ESPECIALLY compared to LIVES SAVED.
This is JUST AS TRUE as it was with MALARIA.
Yup. MAMET PRINCIPLE. And behind that – AUBERGINE’S RAZOR.
Systematic review of cardiac complications attributed to routine hydroxychloroquine use…
From the years 1963-2017:
– Only 50 events of cardiac toxicity (since 1963!) – Total of 12 deaths – Median patient had been taking HCQ daily for 8 YEARShttps://t.co/5hgnw6qccH
Now – here is one reason I think that NON-VACCINATION AND TREATMENT is an important option.
One of the primary reasons to use HCQ instead of a vaccine, is the likelihood that coronavirus vaccines will cause immune overreaction TO infection by the disease, instead of actual protection FROM infection.
This is a nice article which introduces you to Dr. Peter Hotez, vaccine maker, vaccine advocate, but also vaccine truth-teller on immune enhancement. Hotez is somebody very difficult for the MSM to downplay and crush. At least, SO FAR.
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.
“We just could not generate much interest,” a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.
March 5, 2020, 4:30 AM EST / Updated March 8, 2020, 4:23 PM EDT
There will be more talk about immune enhancement later. Be prepared. It’s a very “sciencey” argument AGAINST mandatory vaccination. It is a much more EFFECTIVE argument than “I don’t trust Bill Gates” – even though the latter is a HUGE motivator for most people.
And now THIS.
Time To Go To WAR Over Hydroxychloroquine
What are we up against?
Something that runs us over if we DON’T put it down.
