KMAG DAILY THREAD 20260708 MK Ultra & the CIA

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Rough Transcript from an Economic Times video. 15 minutes

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: What did you learn about MK Naomi, and do you believe its activities were even more serious than what we know about MK Ultra?

Dr Kinzer: The MK Ultra project was aimed at seizing control of the minds of individuals. The Army was interested in something different, which was trying to use biological agents in warfare against entire populations. So, MK Naomi is the place where these two goals overlap.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: Did you find direct documentation between Paperclip scientists and the development of MK Ultra’s experimental protocols, specifically the use of mescaline, hypnosis, and sensory deprivation?

Dr Kinzer: I found what I think might be the first secret CIA prison or black site. It’s a nice chalet in Germany. These were the cells where the MK Ultra officers, working side by side with Nazis, uh carried out those gruesome experiments.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: These experiments were happening after the Nuremberg trials, correct? So, the CIA would have known that these were crimes against humanity. Um my first question is for Mr. O’Neill. MK Naomi, the joint CIA Army program that ran parallel with MK Ultra at Fort Detrick, appears to have been run with deliberate minimal documentation. Um Army records on Special Operations Division have apparently been destroyed. In your investigation, what did you learn about MK Naomi, and do you believe its activities were even more serious than what we know about MK Ultra?

Mr. O’Neill: I’m sorry. I didn’t learn anything about those operations. I kept my focus mostly on Dr. West and his work. I do know that the only reason I found the documents I found was cuz Dr. West accidentally left them in his papers, and he probably did that because he corresponded with Gottlieb under Gottlieb’s assigned alias, which was Sherman Grifford, and he addressed all his mail to a post office box here under Foss Cut Corporation.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: Thank you, Mr. I’m just going to real quick go to Dr. Kinzer. Are you aware of anything that exists with MK Naomi in your research? And if you could please press the button.

Dr Kinzer: My understanding My understanding of MK Naomi is that it was a joint project between the military and the CIA. And there’s a big difference because the MK Ultra project was aimed [music] at seizing control of the minds of individuals. The army was interested in something different, which was trying to use biological agents in warfare against entire populations. So, MK Naomi is the place where these two goals overlapped.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: And that was the 1953 Frank Olson death. Was that in a way tied to that? from some chatter that we had seen in

Dr Kinzer: Exactly what the motivation was behind the decision about Frank Olson, if there was such a decision, is unknown.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: My next question is also for you, sir. Operation Paperclip brought over 1,600 German scientists into the United States government after World War II, including individuals who had conducted human experimentation in concentration camps. The CIA and military were aware of their backgrounds and recruited them anyways. In your research, did you find direct documentation between Paperclip scientists and the development of MK Ultra’s experimental protocols, specifically the use of mescaline, hypnosis, and sensory deprivation, which were techniques also documented at Dachau?

Dr Kinzer: Absolutely. Um Kurt Blome, who was the chief of biological weapons development for the Nazi government, came to work for the CIA. So did Walter Schreiber, who was the surgeon general of the Nazi army. Um I can just tell a a brief story. When I was researching my book, I found what I think might be the first secret CIA prison or black site. It’s a nice chalet in Germany. And the guy who now owns it took me into the basement. He said these were the cells where the MK Ultra officers, working side by side with Nazis, uh carried out those gruesome experiments, which were actually just continuations of the experiments that those Nazis had been conducting just a few years earlier right down the road.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: Just for timeline and clarification, these experiments were happening after the Nuremberg trials, correct? So, the CIA would have known that these were crimes against humanity.

Dr Kinzer: [4:20] I looked for an episode in which the Nuremberg doctrines were posted on the wall in some MK Ultra or CIA office, and I was never able to find any indication that those Nuremberg principles ever were even consulted, much less obeyed.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: Thank you. My next question would be for either witness to comment, Dr. Kinzer or Mr. O’Neill. Both witnesses have written about the site psychiatrist Louis Jolly West. Sydney Gottlieb ran MK Ultra program for the CIA, hired West as a contractor to conduct research for sub-project 43, combining hypnotism, drugs, and sensory deprivation to create dis-associative states in which, to quote Mr. Kinzer in his book Poisoner in Chief, the human mind could be pulled away from its moorings. Following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, West psychiatrically examined Jack Ruby, then in prison for murdering… Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin accused um of murdering President Kennedy. A report emerged from West’s examination said that Ruby had suffered an acute psychotic break. Can you explain why Dr. West in particular was chosen to conduct an examination of Jack Ruby alone in his jail cell with no other psychologist present?

Mr O’Neill: Be happy to. West inserted himself into the case of Ruby.. the day after the shooting, West approached the judge in the preliminary hearings and asked to be assigned to the case. He was refused by the judge. After Ruby was convicted at his first trial, an associate of West, Dr. Hubert Winston Smith, who was a psychiatrist and an attorney, took over Ruby’s defense for his appeal, and he had already discussed appointing.. West to the case. And as you said, West examined Ruby alone at the jail cell and emerged to announce that in the preceding 48 hours he had had a acute psychotic break from which he would never recover. He had been declared incompetent to stand trial in his the first time by a panel of I think eight psychiatrists. This psychotic break lasted until his death in 1967. Two months after West examined him, Ruby testified for the first time, and only time to the Warren Commission, and it was the first time he ever publicly was supposed to say what his reasons were for his shooting Oswald. The testimony had to be halted cuz he was babbling incoherently. As Allen Inspector, who was a counsel to the commission, wrote in his memoirs, he pulled him aside and said that they were cutting off the arms and legs of children in Albuquerque and El Paso, and he said he was making no sense whatsoever. West in his letters to Gottlieb from 1953 discussed experiments where he would induce specific mental disorders in people without their awareness. A year before the Kennedy assassination, he publicly spoke in Oklahoma City and talked about his LSD experiments inducing psychiatric breaks and psychosis in people with the use of LSD, which he of course later contradicted, when he told the New York Times he never used LSD in animal experimentation.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: What an interesting connection. I might have time but I’ll be now recognizing Mr. Burlison from Missouri for 5 minutes.

[7:54]

Mr. Burlison: Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you for your diligent work on this and hopefully we will hear back from the CIA on those boxes of documents that have so many questions about. Dr. Kinzer and Mr. O’Neill the CIA created MK Ultra in 1953 supposedly out of fear that the Soviet Union and China had developed mind control capabilities. Let me go back a little bit further. So one of my questions has to do with the event that happened in 1951 in August in France. There was a bakery that I guess the people that lived in that community over 250 some say 300 people were poisoned from the bread. It was determined that that was LSD that was causing all of these people to hallucinate. Some people died. Is there any connection Dr. Kinzer to that event and was that something that either inspired the MK Ultra program or the MK Naomi program or is that something that we were involved in even that early on?

Dr Kinzer: I would turn that question back to you. I don’t think anybody really knows the full story of what happened at that time in that town in France. That the United States could have been involved, that this could have been part of what was then called Operation Artichoke, the predecessor for MK Ultra seems to me not beyond the realm of possibility. There’s a lot of overlap between the ergot enzyme that is the basis of LSD and certain rye and wheat fungus that can be used in breads. Was that something intentional? Was it something the Americans were involved in? I have my suspicions, but just based on my background as a journalist, I don’t operate on suspicions. So, I would love to see more investigation of that episode.

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Comment on Ergot Poisoning. It is worth a quick look because it describes the symptoms.

Debunking the “Moldy Bread” Theory – Salem Witch Museum

In her excellent lecture “The Salem Witch Trials and Ergot, the ‘Moldy Bread’ Hypothesis,” historian Margot Burns describes a conversation with Linnda Caporael about the publication of this article.

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Mr. Burlison: My next question has to do with once the program began. I think one of the most shocking things that we determined is that Operation Midnight Climax that occurred in the early 1950s, ’60s, where the CIA had safe houses. And there was Dr. Kinzer, I mean this obviously extremely disturbing behavior that was happening where you had American citizens who were being lured into these brothels and then dosed with a hallucinogenic and then filmed during their sex acts. Was there anyone prosecuted for this for these crimes?

Dr Kinzer: No, there have been no prosecutions for any crime related to MKUltra as far as I know. To me, the remarkable aspect of Operation Midnight Climax was that there wasn’t even the pretense of scientific experimentation. The person watching behind the one-way mirror was a grossly overweight drug officer sitting on a portable toilet and drinking cocktails out of a pitcher. There was nobody there that was a scientist or somebody who had understood sexual behavior or human psychology. So, there was no science involved in it at all. I can add a little footnote. When I was researching Poisoner in Chief, I came across a document in which one of the officers involved in setting up that program, Operation Midnight Climax, said that Sidney Gottlieb himself used to fly from Washington out to inspect the project regularly and always asked that women be provided for him. So…. [Interrupts]

Mr. Burlison: That was my next question. Do you think that the agents were involved in the sexual encounters?

Dr Kinzer: Well, could that have actually been the reason why the bordello was opened? There was no prospect of any serious scientific result out of that project given the personnel who were overseeing it. So, those CIA officers, particularly Gottlieb, involved in overseeing Operation Midnight Climax, certainly were able to take advantage of what it offered.

Mr. Burlison: Thank you. And my my last question, first I want to say thank you to Mr. O’Neill. The book Chaos, I checked it out from the Library of Congress. and [I] greatly appreciate your work there. I was intrigued by one of the statements that you made based on your research that the MKUltra program, they were actually successfully able to replace memories. And because of that, I’m wondering if And Dr. Kinzer, you can chime in if you have any knowledge of this. Did the program continue? And do you think that the program in some aspect is still continuing today?

Mr O’Neill: You’re asking if the program continued after 1973 when it was halted supposedly. That’s a question I’m asked at almost every appearance I do. Is it happening today? Did it continue? I don’t know. I can’t imagine that it didn’t though because the technology that they worked to establish over 20, 25 years and spent more money on than any operation the CIA ever conducted was successful. I imagine it’s being used. I have no evidence of it being used, so it’s a complete assumption.

Dr Kinzer: I would just add that one of the letters to which Mr. O’Neill referred contains a quote from Mr. Gottlieb saying that these experiments were necessary quote in these times. I think it’s important to put yourself back in that mindset where the United States felt that it was under such overwhelming threat that the loss of a few lives or a few hundred lives was a small price to pay. Commitment to a great cause is one of the most fundamental justifications for committing immoral acts, and patriotism is among the most noble of causes. It can be twisted, and it can be used as an excuse to carry out research under the guise that this is simply research we’re doing to protect ourselves against others, and I think that is a mindset that may still be active in some parts of our government.

Mr. Burlison: Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Madam Chair. My time has expired. I yield back.

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FULL MKULTRA HEARING: 1 hour 27 minutes

The House Oversight Committee’s Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets held a hearing entitled, “Mind Control and Accountability: Uncovering the Truth of the CIA’s MKULTRA Project.”

INTRODUCTION:

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna: Task force on declassification of federal secrets will come to order. Welcome everyone. Without objection, the chair may declare a recess at any time.

I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening statement. This hearing is about the crimes committed by the Central Intelligence Agency against the American citizens and the decades of secrecy used to conceal them. The American people deserve a complete and truthful record. The victims and their families deserve acknowledgment, and this Congress has a constitutional obligation to ensure that full declassification is not delayed any longer. Project MK Ultra was not a policy failure or an overzealous program that got out of hand. It was a deliberate systematic governmental operation that subjected American citizens, prisoners, hospital patients, veterans, ordinary people to LSD, electroshock, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, psychological torture without their knowledge or consent. This went on for 20 years on American soil, funded by American taxpayer dollars, and authorized by the very top of US intelligence apparatus. And this program, when it did end, the men who ran it did not cooperate with investigators. They did not come forward. They committed another crime. They destroyed evidence.

The documents this task force has reviewed are unambiguous. In January 1973, the director of the CIA, Richard Helms, prepared to leave office. He personally ordered the destruction of MK Ultra records. The CIA official document in writing states, “Over my stated objectives, the MK Ultra files were destroyed by the order of DCI Mr. Helms shortly before his departure from office. A separate internal account confirms that Helms telephoned Dr. Gottlieb directly and instructed him to destroy quote all files pertaining to drug research and associated activities. Gottlieb compiled. Four people spent an entire day tearing burning down 152 files. Then Gottlieb had his personal papers destroyed by his secretary before he retired. The head of the CIA own records center protested the destruction in writing, but he was overruled. That is obstruction of justice. That is criminal destruction of federal records.

And neither individuals were ever charged with a crime for it. Helms received a $2,000 fine for lying to Congress about an unrelated manner and collected his government pension until he died. Gottlieb retired in rural Virginia and wrote poetry. No one went to prison.

No victim was ever formally compensated by the government for the harm that they caused. By 1975, the Church Committee and the Rockefeller Commission had already established through sworn testimony and the surviving 1963 Inspector General report that MK Ultra existed and that the CIA had run a program of human experimentation on unwitting Americans. The scope and detail of what we know today is largely because of an accident. In 1977, an archivist diligently complying with a foyer request discovered seven boxes of MK Ultra financial records that had been misfiled and escaped the bonfire. Those seven boxes included the names of institutions, the name of sub projects, the researchers who participated, the specific operation that the CIA had funded, and without them, the vast majority of MK Ultra would only be a rumor, just as Helms and Gottlieb intended. Those seven boxes revealed the MK Ultra comprised at least 149 sub projects, operated across more than 80 institutions, and involved 185 non-government researchers.

They revealed that the CIA covertly contributed $375,000 to a hospital research wing, which was approved directly by DCI Allen Dulles, with Richard Helms concurrence, so the agency could use unwitting patients as experimental subjects in what their own documents called a hospital safe house. The CIA’s own inspector general said in 1963, his classified report concluded that the program had exceeded the agency’s legal chapter and covert testing on unwitting subjects placed the rights and interests of US citizens in jeopardy. The program ran for a decade that we know of and they ignored their own watchdog.

Let me be clear [about] what I believe that we are dealing with here. Administering drugs to people without their knowledge or consent, subjecting humans to psychological torture and using prisoners and hospital patients as nonconsenting research subjects. These are crimes against humanity. The Central Intelligence Agency committed them and then the director of the CIA ordered the destruction of evidence. Today we will hear from two witnesses who have spent years unraveling the cover up that our government ordered. Steven Kzer documented the life and crimes of Sydney Gottlieb in his uh book prisoner of chief and Tom O’Neill spent over 20 years investigating what the CIA buried and what they obscured that in my mind constitutes some of the worst notorious crimes against humanity in the 20th century. Their persistence in the research in this hearing is possible simply because they are patriots. The American people deserve the complete record. The victims and their families deserve acknowledgment, accountability, and justice. And this Congress has a constitutional obligation to make sure that the CIA never does this again.

With that, I’m going to be opening up first questions, and I’ll hold my question to the end, to Representative Berles. Before I do pass it, I did want to just note a few weeks ago, we did receive reports. There was some back and forth regarding the CIA and ODI pertaining to new MK Ultra boxes that were discovered. Myself and Representative Berles did go down to Langley. We did meet with the CIA and the CIA is currently in the process of declassifying newly found documentation. although the documents, and I feel comfortable enough to share it here, pertain specifically to a forgery program that was being housed under MK Ultra. So as soon as those files are released, we will be putting out notification with your help to also comb through some of the newly released documents, but I did want to give you a quick update.

There were three witnesses:

Dr Elizabet Ginexi,

independent Consultant and former Senior Program officer at the National Institute of Health

Dr Kinzer author of: Poisoner in Chief, Sydney Gottlieb and the CIA’s Search for Mind Control

Mr. O’Neill author of: Chaos, Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret history of the 60s

At 8 minutes Dr Stephen Kinszer’s opening statement.

Thank you very much, Madam Chairman. Let me begin by expressing my gratitude to this task force for confronting the enormous issue of over classification of government documents and the culture of secrecy that enables it. I’m especially gratified by your interest in MK Ultra, the project the CIA carried out through the 1950s in an attempt to find the secret of mind control. MK Ultra was one of the most secret government programs in American history. The chemist who directed it, Sydney Gottlieb, lived in total anonymity. My book, Poisoner and Chief, may be the most complete account of MK Ultra that exists in public, but I’m painfully aware that I have discovered only a small portion of what MK Ultra was and what Sydney Gottlieb did. In 1951, the CIA hired Gottlieb and directed him to launch what became MK Ultra. Gottlieb believed that in order to find a way to implant a new mind into someone’s brain, you first had to find a way to destroy the mind that was in there already.

In its search for ways to destroy a human mind and body, MK Ultra conducted the most extreme experiments on human beings that have ever been carried out by a US government agency. By any standard, they qualify as medical torture. These experiments took place in prisons, clinics, and safe houses in the United States, in Europe, in Asia, and even in Latin America. Officers of MK Ultra were authorized to travel to foreign countries, preferably those under formal or informal US occupation, and ask the local CIA station to provide them with expendables, human beings who would not be missed if they disappeared. Gottlieb had what amounted to a license to kill issued by the US government. Neither the number of MK Ultra victims nor the number of those who were experimented to death is known.

Gottlieb as a result of this license to kill might have been the most powerful unknown American of the 20th century. Some information about MK Ultra spilled out during the 1970s, but senior CIA officers had intentionally let Gottlieb operate without supervision. So they were able to claim that they knew nothing about his excesses. This was a way for the CIA to deny its institutional role in MK Ultra and to portray it misleadingly as the product of one man’s sadism or excessive zeal. Investigating MK Ultra is challenging because when Gottlieb and his mentor Richard Helms left the CIA in 1973, they illegally ordered that its records be destroyed. Soon afterwards, under DCI Stansfield Turner, a CIA analyst, as you pointed out, Madame Chairman, discovered a cache of MK Ultra documents hidden among financial records. Turner credited that analyst with doing a very diligent job of Sherlock Holmesing. That same diligence I believe could bring results today.

One of the great mysteries of MK Ultra has to do with the death in 1953 of an MK Ultra scientist Frank Olsen who had announced his intention to quit the project. His plunge from a New York hotel room was described in the press as the suicide of an army scientist. He was not an army scientist. He worked for the CIA and evidence suggests that his death may have not have been a suicide. So there could be hidden documents that could illuminate this case.

I would also point out that in addition to searching for unknown documents, this committee could do a tremendous service by simply asking for the end of redactions on the documents that we now have. There are reams of documents about MK Ultra that have heavy sections redacted. In the 1970s, this was justified by the argument that it had only been 20 years since these terrible things had happened and revealing details might affect national security. Now, 70 years have passed. That argument can no longer be valid. So, I would urge this committee to try to fill out all the blank spaces in the documents that we have because we know that is there. This task force could also consider trying to determine whether some new incarnation of MK Ultra exists today. When the main phase of MK Ultra drew to a close in the early 1960s, Sydney Gottlieb concluded that it had failed. That in fact there is no such thing as mind control. Even if he was right, however, he may have been right only at that time. In the many decades since then, there have been enormous advances in cyber technology, in artificial intelligence, in neuroscience. Covert agencies may have access now to tools for mind control that Sydney Gottlieb could not even have imagined. It may well have been true in 1963 that mind control is a myth, but whether it’s still true is uncertain. And that question of whether mind control might now be possible under our new circumstances is something that has presumably occurred to scientists who work for secret services, including our own.

This task force has a chance to connect the past to the future. A renewed effort to find MK Ultra documents from the 1950s and to fill out the redactions of those that have been released might shed new light on how the CIA operated during that period. It could also inform a new inquiry into whether any mind control projects are now underway inside the US security apparatus that might help prevent the emergence of a 21st century MK Ultra that could be even more destructive than the original. Thank you.

Tom O’Neill’s opening statement.

Thank you, Chairwoman Luna and members of the committee. It’s a privilege to be here today. Almost 50 years ago, the last congressional hearings into MK Ultra took place just a short walk from here in the Dirks Senate Office Building. At those hearings convened in August and September of 1977, representatives of the CIA told Congress and the American people that its 25-year effort to control human behavior had been a colossal failure. I believe Congress was never told the truth about what this program actually achieved. In fact, I believe the agency misled Congress in 1977 when it characterized MK Ultra as a failure. My name is Tom O’Neill and in 1999 I accepted a magazine assignment to write a story about murders committed by a group of hippies called the Manson family. For those unfamiliar with this horrific episode of American history, in the summer of 1969, four young people acting on the orders of a cult leader named Charles Manson, went to the home of movie director Roman Polanski and murdered everyone they found there, including his eight and a half month pregnant wife, the actress Sharon Tate. The victims were complete strangers to their killers. The following night, Manson’s followers murdered another couple in the same grizzly fashion. At the time I accepted the assignment, I’d never heard of MK Ultra, and I wouldn’t for another two years. After I’d missed countless deadlines, lost the assignment, and fall fallen down a nightmarish rabbit hole trying to answer the question I couldn’t quite shake. How had Manson, a barely literate ex-con, acquired the ability to persuade ordinary young people to murder complete strangers simply because he had told them to?

The pursuit of the answer to that question led me to Dr. Lewis Jolian West, known to his friends as Jolly. West was one of the most influential psychiatrists in America. During his career, he crossed paths with some of the most controversial events of the 20th century, including the Patty Hurst kidnapping case and the aftermath of the John F. Kennedy assassination investigation. In 1977, West was one of seven academic researchers named in a front page New York Times story alleging that the CIA had used American universities, hospitals, and prisons as secret laboratories for experiments involving LSD and other drugs on unwitting human subjects. West vigorously denied the allegations. He acknowledged that the agency had approached him but insisted he had refused because he said LSD was too dangerous and unpredictable to be used on humans. He added that he limited all of his research with LSD to animals. The revelations in the Times led directly to the congressional hearings held later that year. West denials, however, were effective. He was never investigated and his name never came up at the hearings.

I’ll spare you the long and tedious story of how my Manson reporting led me to West except to say that I eventually learned that in 1967 when Manson transformed into the cult leader we are familiar with today, he and his followers were receiving free medical care at a clinic in San Francisco where West had established a base of operations for a research project he was conducting nearby. After becoming intrigued by the allegations against West, I learned that UCLA, his last academic home, had inherited his paper following his death in 1999.

Nearly two months and more than 200 boxes later, I found the proverbial needle in a hay stack, correspondence between West and Dr. Sydney Gottlieb, the architect of MK Ultra. The letters begin in 1953, just two months after CIA director Alan Dulles authorized the program and while West was stationed at the Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, where he was chief chief psychiatrist at the base hospital. In his first letter to Gottlieb, West proposed conducting experiments on unwitting human subjects, including military personnel, prisoners, and psychiatric patients at the base hospital. He then outlined the experiments themselves in six more pages that could have been written by Josef Mengele Using LSD in combination with hypnosis, West purposed inducing confusion, amnesia, and specific mental disorders in people who would remember nothing of their interaction with him afterward. He sought to develop techniques to extract true information and implant false information in unwilling subjects and to alter the attitudes and beliefs of quote previously loyal individuals. In other words, to completely switch their allegiance from one group or leader to another.

But it was another sentence at the end of that letter that stopped me cold. These experiments, he wrote, must eventually be put to test in practical trials in the field. Gottlieb’s response could hardly have been more enthusiastic. My good friend, he wrote, I had been wondering whether your apparent rapid and comprehensive grasp of our problems could possibly be real. You have indeed developed an admirably accurate picture of exactly what we are after. West replied that there was no more vital undertaking conceivable in these times. There was another document in West papers that had even more significant implications. It was a 14-page report that West wrote in 1956, just three years after he contracted with the CIA. In the report, West described administering LSD and other drugs in conjunction with hypnosis on unwitting human subjects. And then he made a remarkable claim. He announced that he had learned how to replace true memories with false memories on people without their knowledge. In other words, he clarified, it has been found to be feasible to take the memory of a definite event in the life of an individual and through hypnotic suggestion bring about the subsequent conscious recall to the effect that this event never actually took place, but that a different fictional event actually did occur. If West report was accurate, this was not the failure agency officials described in 1977. Quite the opposite. It was in fact the central ambition of the MK Ultra operation, the means of gaining the ability to seize the control of a person’s perceptions, memories, and ultimately their behavior.

But there was still one more discovery, and this time I found it in the National Security Archives at George Washington University. the official repository of the CIA’s MK Ultra records, which were released to Congress after the 1977 hearings. In those holdings was a different versions of West 1956 report. The original paper had been replaced by a four-page summary that did not exist in West files and appears to have been written by someone else. Here his claims about replacing memories were gone. in their place was a theoretical discussion of LSD and disassociative states. The versions supplied to Congress concluded that the effects of LSD and similar drugs on disassociative states had, and I’m quoting, never been studied. Never been studied. In the original report, West discusses observations from his own experiments, including detailed descriptions of using LSD to, as he wrote, speed the induction of the hypnotic state and deepen the trance in subjects. Those passages have been removed in the report turned over to Congress. The discrepancy could not have been more stark. Nearly 50 years ago, another congressional committee believed it had been given the truth about MK Ultra. It had not. In conclusion, I respectfully submit that these records, some newly available, and others that remained outside the government’s disclosure for decades, weren’t a thorough re-examination of what the program accomplished, what Congress was told, and what may still remain hidden. I’m happy to provide the documents I’ve referenced today and I’ve provided many additional details in my written testimony.

Dr Elizabeth Ginexi opening statement. [BOY is she angry her cushy job got smacked!] I debated on whether or not to add her opening statement since I do not see how it has anything to do with MK Ultra … What is glorious is at 47:20 she gets called out on just that AND Covid.

Chairman Luna, and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I’m a health research scientist with a master’s and doctoral degrees in psychology from the George Washington University. I spent 22 years from 2003 to 2025 as a scientific program official at the National Institutes of Health, managing more than $132 million in health research grants and co-authoring 18 federal funding programs. I left the NIH in April of 2025. I’m here today because what is happening to NIH right now is not reform. It is the replacement of scientific judgment with political control. [She is talking about Robert Kennedy]

For 80 years, US federal investment in biomedical research produced outcomes that no private market would have funded. Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the United States. NIH funded research on blood pressure, cholesterol, and smoking drove a 56% decline in heart disease between 1950 and 1996. Cancer has been transformed. treatments for breast, lung, prostate, and childhood cancers along with immunotherapies that converted previously fatal diagnoses into manageable conditions traced directly to NIH funded research. HIV AIDS were a death sentence in 1981. No pharmaceutical company saw a profitable market for treatment. NIH ran the trials that no one else would run. The result was antiretroviral therapy and preexposure prophylaxis. Global AIDS deaths have fallen 54% since 2010.

Rare diseases that affect 30 million Americans get studied at the NIH because no market will fund that research. Every dollar that’s appropriated to the National Institutes of Health generates $246 in economic output. NIH supported work contributed to 354 of the 356 new drugs that the FDA approved between 2010 and 2019. Cutting the funding source of that pipeline does not slow it. It ends it. The proposed OM federal financial assistance rule would give political appointees authority to terminate funded grants at any time without cause, including ongoing clinical trials with enrolled patients. This is not a hypothetical. NIH has already terminated or frozen thousands of grants, including hundreds of ongoing clinical trials since January 2025, concentrated in infectious disease, vaccine, and health disparities research. This proposed rule will make that authority permanent. The NIH director has eliminated the merit score thresholds that once protected peer review and political appointees are right now overriding peer review outcomes to screen grants for alignment with administrative pri priorities.

The proposed OM rule will also severely restrict international research. We’re managing an H5N1 blue bird flu outbreak that has more than 70 documented human cases. We recently concluded a hivirus response that required CDC scientists working alongside Argentine counterparts. The current Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo is now the third largest on record and is outpacing containment efforts. This rule will curtail exactly that kind of cooperation that we need. NIH lost 1,112 PhD trained workers from 2025 to early 26. More than half of the NIH institutes right now are operating without permanent scientific leadership. The majority of its advisory councils required by statute to provide independent oversight have lost more than half of their members. The fundamental choice before this Congress is between a system where scientists make scientific judgments through accountable processes and one where political appointees make those calls instead. That choice will determine whether the next breakthroughs in cancer, Alzheimer’s, antibiotic resistance, and pandemic defense will happen here, somewhere else, or perhaps not at all. I urge this committee to support a joint resolution of disapproval to block the proposed OM financial assistance rule. that authority to replace peer review with political approval has not been granted by Congress…

This is a congressional hearing that is worth checking out.

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But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is STILL under DIRECT THREATS by hostile forces – notably COMMUNISTS – and they’re HERE IN AMERICA.

Daily outrage and commie phuckery still abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Commies won’t win!

And we will keep saying COMMIES OUT until we get their FRAUD and INSANITY out of our country!


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

it’s over

idiom

  • a phrase that AI loves to use in YouTube thumbnails
  • a phrase that clickbait loves to use in YouTube thumbnails
  • a phrase that typically means something is finished or done, permanently changed, now impossible, etc., although it may mean little or nothing

Used in a sentence

As for the word of the week feature, enjoy the final one for now, because it’s over. I want to shift my time toward more topical things, useful in the fight against communism.

Shown in a picture

Shown in a video


MUSIC!

But what if it’s not over?


THE STUFF

While we have Anastasia on the line…….

AI. Useful stuff. In between being a royal pain in the ass.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



Dear KMAG: 20260629 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

oecodomic

adjective

  • of, like, or pertaining to architecture

Used in a sentence

With only a few weak exceptions, I cannot find the obscure word “oecodomic” used anywhere!

Used as the title of a defunct blog

https://oecodomic.blogspot.com

Shown in a video


MUSIC!

Let’s talk about architecture and music!


THE STUFF

So what was our cousin Linus Paranthropus up to, borrowing our tools???!!!

Stone tools. Useful stuff.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



Dear KMAG: 20260622 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

consecution

noun

  • logical sequence or progression of an argument
  • sequence or succession
  • relation of consequent to antecedent
  • deduction
  • a following, or sequel
  • actual or logical dependence
  • in logic, the relation of consequent to antecedent, or of effect to cause

Used in a sentence

Lemma 8. If the consecution check for the unrolling of length k passes in the original circuit C, the consecution check for the unrolling of length 1 passes in the k-witness circuit C’, given that L’0 is fully initialized. (LINK)

Shown in a picture

Used as the title of a video about ice formation

https://www.scottportingale.com/consecution

Used as the title of a soundtrack piece


MUSIC!

Some epic music that automatically followed the above on YouTube…..


THE STUFF

Another win for ivermectin and azole antiparasitics – but this is one you may not have heard about – a parasite of “free range” poultry. COUGH. Maybe not in the USA – yet – but just to bring you back to the reality of parasites in our world, this video is worth putting up with the too-long AI presentation. This is also a problem with insufficiently cooked freshwater fish. COUGH. Be careful out there.

Also, listen for what they say about people in Brazil, who apparently take ivermectin and azoles regularly.

More from the CDC…..

https://www.cdc.gov/gnathostoma/about/index.html

Ivermectin. Azoles. Useful stuff.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



KMAG DAILY THREAD 20260617 IRAN DOT CONNECTING

bolton-war-stache-toon

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Do not forget to LABEL AI articles video and such.


Just for fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl8vErrqjKY


BTW Hubby was corresponding with a Russian scientist doing similar studies in Siberia using domesticated Russian horses.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In my opinion Iran was never just about the Middle East, it was about world peace and breaking the grip of the Cabal. That is why there is such a stark contrast between how the press and the rest of the world views the Ukrainian war vs the military op against Iran.

LIVE Q&A: Iran, Lawfare, and Why the Establishment Is Going All-In Against Trump

PARTIAL ROUGH TRANSCRIPT

32:00 Barbara Boyd: On a bill in Congress about merging Israeli & US technological intelligence: “ Well Hey. It’s already pretty effectively merged in terms of the Mossad and the COA and has been ever since James J Angleton created in essence the Mossad from the CIA. To me none of this has any magnitude equivalent to the complete merger of our intelligence community with MI6 and Five Eyes and NATO. Which is far, far, far more dangerous, more disgusting and more off the mark in terms of a native US-Based intelligence compared to anything Israel could think about…

36:20 Iran having a nuclear weapon is a threat to the world. Iran started off negotiations with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff by saying, we have enough nuclear material for nine bombs right now. That is a genuine threat to the world. You are seeing how the IRGC operates before your eyes. It has been that way for a very, very long time. There is no terrorist operation in the world which doesn’t benefit in some fundamental way. They are not independent. And most of what the IRGC is and everything else comes from the City of London’s long time control of every single terrorist operation in the Middle East. Be they Shiite or Be they Sunni.

Trump stopped that at the beginning of his very first term with his visit to Saudi Arabia. Trump said, the USA is out of this game PERIOD. And that in part is the long history of what this is really all about.

37:50 Mike Steger: The Middle East is the cockpit for escalated war on a Global scale. Iran was set up as part of that agenda. We have documented this. Bernard Lewis, Brzeziński, this was radical Islam used as a basic weapon to threaten the world. [And push it] into a kind of chaos which then Lloyds and others would control and profit and monetize.

Trump realizes that [and] he has dedicated more time in his presidency to stabilizing the Middle East. And there is no doubt that the situation in the Middle East on October 7th which escalated into this horrific war in Gaza came out of Iran and Iran’s interests – Largely British – but through Iran to destabilize the Middle East AND PREVENT THE ABRAHAM ACCORDS, TO PREVENT LONG-TERM PEACE AND STABILITY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. [Ghost in the last video on this page goes into the actual play-by-play of how the Abraham Accords were de-railed. -GC]

38:40 The reality is you have a military cult in the IRGC which controls upward of 50% of the entire Iranian economy. I do not think the clerics or the so-called democratically elected political representatives have had any real control in that country for quite some time if ever… I think the situation is far more dangerous than Iran. And I will point to just one clear evidence of that.

[Ghost goes even further and thinks Iran was all about starting a nuclear war. As I wrote in THE CASE FOR NUCLEAR WAR I think the Cabal is crazy enough to want to start one. –GC]

Kim Jong-un and Trump could have one-on-one direct dialogue. They are having ongoing letter and other correspondence as we speak. He has had that since he came back in. There was NEVER a chance to have dialogue with the clerics or the Ayatollah because the reality is the Ayatollah has not really been holding real power. I think that is the fundamental difference. You can’t trust Iran because you actually don’t have a sense of who is really in power. That is why the negotiations have been hung up. Because there is not a real center of power in Iran to give it a coherent nation state status. [So WHO and WHERE is that center of power? In the UK where the Ayatollah and top IRGC commanders have property?? GC]

43:00 Mike Steger: I think there’s been a kind of a fight in China and it’s not been maybe a balanced one per se. What the communism of Mao was set up, largely by kind of British and globalist interests, to play, is the exact role China was beginning to play in this kind of globalist globalized economy. They became the kind of sweat shop of the world. Cheap labor supply, cheap manufacturing, and what you saw was a rise of billionaires dominating China. And that’s been a kind of corruption that China now is trying to confront and clean out.

What Trump’s challenging China is to say, look, that doesn’t function. That doesn’t work. And there are some people in China at various political levels who recognize that that is not the pathway to go. That it’s led to intrinsic corruption in China, that it leads to political instability. But China’s got a difficult problem. They’ve got to try to hold the nation together. And it’s been a 2,000-year-old problem in China. The Chinese like to break off into their own separate provinces, their own separate princedoms and kingdoms. It’s hard to hold the nation together. So that’s kind of an underlying threat that China constantly faces. And they’ve tried to nationalize with the Mandarin language. There’s all kinds of things they’ve had to do that most people wouldn’t have any idea of, to try to rectify this lack of real national unity inside China… [This agrees with the little I have learned of China. Ghost & Alpha Warrior distinguish between the CCP and Xi. The CCP being the Chinese Deep State. Also given the amount of trouble Xi has handling China, I doubt he wants to actually control anymore land except as tribute states (Belt & Road). –GC]

45:00 Trump has shown in Iran that we are killing the old system. The vestiges of this kind of divided world, this kind of a new cold war era of China, Iran, Russia, North Korea as a block. He’s saying, “We’re killing that system. You’re not going to benefit off of cheap Iranian oil, but we’re going to have a much longer term stable system led by the United States, founded on the US dollar-based system, but based on nations having the right to industrialize, build up, and to thrive. A system of nation states.” And I think there are some in China. I think probably this is the dialogue President Trump is having with Chairman Xi that this is where he’s taking the world and that chairman Xi is well aware that that would be best long-term for China because it really doesn’t have the ability to play the role of a global economic hegemon. That’s just British imperial thinking that’s made its way into China through various aspects including Maoism. So, I think that’s the presentation Trump is making. And I think he’s got to be forceful because if you don’t kill the old system, it’s very difficult for people holding on to the status quo to ever leave it and jump into the new one. I would just add that, China was essentially manipulated based on the WTO — this whole idea of globalization — to become the sweat shop of the world. That’s not really what any nation wants to be….

Steve Bannon and others who continue to insist that we have to go to war with China are not understanding what the president is actually doing and that’s why Mike is quite right…

51:00 Adam: And then here’s one from Cool Cool Roy which I think is actually a much more important question than people realize. “Would you agree that playing the hate and blame game is one of the greatest forms of self- oppression and government oppression on earth?” Before I open it up, let me just say yes. And the way that people describe it sometimes is the victim mentality. Become victimized by some other group or some other ideology, some other identity. Barbara and Mike, your thoughts on this super chat here.

51:30 Barbara Boyd: I think this is a good one. Mike’s pointing to me, so I’ll start.

Okay. Aristotle and Carl Schmidt, the German legal theorist and Nazi, basically had this idea that you don’t know who you are unless you have an enemy. In other words, you define yourself by your enemy. By something terribly negative. You don’t define who you really are, what your mission is here on this earth, and what reality actually is in terms of of how you deal with it. That is human. What Carl Schmidt and Aristotle believed is best deal because you end up in a cycle of endless wars out of all of that and kind of tribal policing of yourselves based on tribal ideas and identities rather than superseding them to actually fulfill our mission here on earth. Genesis tells us what it is. Go forth, multiply and subdue the earth. I really think that’s completely different than either Aristotle or Carl Schmidt.

Carl Schmidt, — I just went and reminded myself, his entire thesis was based on the friend – enemy distinction. That was kind of like the central thesis to it. This kind of issue of building these gangs and encounter gangs of different varieties and then having that kind of gang counter gang warfare play out in the public sphere. That in my mind is basically what’s been controlling essentially all of modern politics. It is using that control mechanism in one way or another for sure. Mike, any thoughts?

53:42 Mike Steger: Yeah, Let’s just take it into the British question, because this is how they tried to control their empire. They did it n East Africa. 👉But probably the most famous case is in India. Where Hindus were the majority, the British power would back the Muslim minority and to aggravate the sense that the Hindus had a right if they had the majority to direct where they wanted to go. But in the Muslim controlled areas near the Indus in West India which is now Pakistan they would back the Hindu minority and aggravate the Muslim majority to the point where you would get this kind of potential for a major backlash👈… It’s not parody in terms of the kind of conditions, but you get this emotional backlash that creates civil war. And that’s exactly what happened in India when the British left in 1947. A civil war broke out on religious lines, killing up to two million people. And that’s the kind of thing you see them attempting to provoke, whether it’s in Belfast or the Henry Nowak: case or the George Floyd dynamic in the United States. They’re trying to create and instigate this kind of reaction. [Crypto Rich, a Muslim, informed Mike of this in a lot greater detail in his recent podcast. -GC]

You can see this if you go to X because it’s so visceral so guttural that it dominates a lot of the social media discussion. That’s why, on Promethean Action, we focus on unifying the country. Our strength is unity and orienting towards the redevelopment of the nation. To rebuilding it just like you want to unify the church as an ecumenical mission, as a good Christian, you want to unify the nation towards a mission of industrial and scientific advancement…


AI DATA CENTERS

1:02:07 Mike Steger: I think there’s a number of things. It’s clear that this data center AI comes out of Silicon Valley. There’s very little to trust about a lot of these institutions. The way they’ve run the social media process, what they’ve run with social control, what they did with censorship, how they were back doors to the intelligence community. All of that’s true. All of that’s worth not trusting. But at the same time, there is a real viability to AI applications, but not necessarily the way that a lot of these AI firms are talking about it.

So, there’s a lot of this idea that we can deliver it to personal consumers and it’s going to be some big financial gain based like social media was broad-based consumption on every phone, every young person. The reality is that AI is probably going to be far more profitable and useful as it’s integrated into the re-industrialization of the United States because there’s real applications connecting it to an industrial robotic and high-tech process of manufacturing of logistics. So there’s real benefit to these kinds of advancements. It’s always a double-edged sword. How do you apply it? Do you apply it towards social control which has been the IC Silicon Valley modus operandi for 25, 30 40 years or is it going to be applied towards a new re-industrialized United States? There are certainly very clear aspects of Trump, of the JD Vance, of this new Republican party, who see that they’re building up the industrial firms, they’re broadening out the defense contractor base with new firms who are looking to apply these things, to integrate it into real manufacturing and production, to increase the kind of broad-based wealth of the country.

Now that said, how we deal with data centers is something that we’ve got to think through as a country. Doing it in big farmland areas doesn’t make a lot of sense. There was a proposal to do it in Buick City up in Flint, which was prior to River Rouge where Ford did the largest factory at the time. It was Buick City up in Flint. That was a massive start to finish raw material to finish automotive product in one plant.

Now that’s been laid waste for a long time and there was proposal to put data centers there. Now Flynn has knocked it out. Like to me it makes a lot more sense to put them into brown fields where you have connected water and power supply than to do it into open farmlands. Much like power centers should be integrated into city centers and industry, not just, solar panels all over our corn fields. So, I think we’ve got to think this thing through. I think that there’s plays on both sides as Barbara’s pointed out. Maybe she wants to go into more depth today.

There’s clearly other aspects. There was a lot of propaganda push from Russian news networks to target our fracking industry. You know, 15, 20 years ago, they really tried to undercut the idea of fracking. They got the whole left in America to be anti-fracking even though that’s what’s created all of this natural gas that these green environmentalists have been obsessed with. The same thing is true today with China because there is a real race for AI that’s real and largely because China sees it. China knows even maybe better than a lot of Americans that this AI is going to be a boon towards their manufacturing and productive sector and they sought to have global control of that. So I think the question is re-industrializing thinking about how we use these AI data centers. Even as Trump said making sure that these AI companies are treated like pharmaceutical companies. You can’t just release these new models. We have to know what they’re actually going to be doing. What kind of effect they have….

so we’ve got to regulate it. We might have to integrate it, but we have to be smart about it. It’s a double-edged sword. We can’t become anti-technology, but we can’t allow the model of Silicon Valley and social control to continue to dominate the way we let these companies become big major firms in the United States. And I think that’s a political question. It’s a question of political power. And it’s the kind of challenge that self-government creates because we can just either hand it to the experts and be ruled by oligarchy or if we’re going to deal with it, we’ve got to deal with it in a smart way and not just react because there are certain forces that want to control our reaction. They want us to react and shut this thing down and we’ve got to be smart about it. So that’s kind of how I think about it.

1:06:40 Barbara Boyd: I had pointed out I think last week that Kevin O’Leary who you know is famous from TV, is actually building a data center in Utah and started getting all sorts of strange stuff that he wasn’t doing in terms of zoning and everything else. Big attacks on him. He hired a firm to actually track down where all this was coming from. Unsurprisingly he proved that it was coming from China. Which makes a whole lot of sense. Okay, We’re in a race as to who is going to actually develop the useful aspects of this first and foremost. Data centers are a requirement of that. That said, you’ve got to take into account environment. You shouldn’t be building it on, farmland, which should be in agriculture at this point. And is a really big deal out there because we have problems with our farmers, which have nothing to do with AI. [Goes into food Cartels]

POLITICAL ISLAM

1:50:00 Adam: Sha says “I think you are missing the plan of Islam.” Barbara and Mike your thoughts on this one? Are are we missing the plan of Islam?

Barbara Boyd: No, we’re not missing it. You got to understand a little bit about Islam as a religion. All right? There’s two sides to it. There is so-called political Islam, which was largely an invention. And you know, some of my Muslim friends will actually get mad at me at this point, but that was actually an invention of the Arab Bureau of British Secret Intelligence for purposes of using Islam as a weapon in this whole dynamic in the Middle East to have gangs and counter gangs. Basically, revisionist Zionism versus political Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood being the biggest example of that. Obviously the Muslim Brotherhood and those who are looking to have a re-founding of the caliphate, even Turkey wants that, are looking towards proselytizing other people in the world to become part of Islam or they’re considered to be enemies of the religion that is essentially what you’re talking about when you talk about the Plan of Islam. Most Muslims do not subscribe to this at all. So, you got to be very careful here and make the distinction and figure out whether you’re being pushed into something that really is not all that big a deal. I think the last time I looked demographically, the Muslims constitute about 1% of the United States total in various areas of the country. [Google says 1.3% to 1.5%GC] They obviously have settled, because of immigration patterns and family patterns and the religion and everything else. People get freaked out about it because they think oh my god this group of people is here and they’re not adhering to anything in the community and they haven’t been absorbed into the community. That’s a problem. It’s a problem we face across the board in terms of immigration in our country.

👉But, in order for people to actually integrate into a culture, you got to be able to define the culture they’re integrating themselves into.👈

And if you look at our culture in the United States at this point, and you asked yourself, if I was coming here and I actually am being told you need to integrate into American culture, what would I see? What would I see? Would I see Graham Platner and think that I got to integrate with that? That’s kind of a problem. It’s not as simple as the plan, which everybody’s kind of attached to at this point of, oh my god. they’re going to come here and essentially take us all over. It is a source of tension in various communities in the United States around this question of, you know, becoming an American and identifying being an American as your essential identity. But in order for people to do that, we got to do a much better job of actually defining what a citizen and citizenship in the United States actually means. So that’s how to answer your question.…

118:16 Mark Steger: And let me just go back to the last question because I think what people are missing, I mean Islam has been radically altered by a lot of the foreign funding [and] British operations over the last 50 years. What Trump’s message to a lot of these Gulf Kingdoms, the Saudis, the entire Islamic world is in 2017, knock it off. We’re not going to be funding ISIS and al-Qaeda any longer as we did under Obama. We’re not going to be funding Hamas in this operation. You guys have got to change the orientation away from this caliphate.

But the bigger question is for too long people in the United States and in Europe have taken Christian civilization for granted. There’s not a clarity of what it is, what its principles are, how it manifests as a worldview, what we’re committed to developing, what our role in the universe is. We don’t have a people [who] might go to church. They might want to oppose the kind of cultural decadence and destruction of Hollywood and the elites, the liberal elites in this country. We have not fortified in a theological and deeper cultural way, a worldview that expresses the kind of strength and beauty and the kind of power of scientific discovery that Christian civilization really means. And I think people have to have a sense that that’s what’s needed. That’s what we’re doing with Promethean Action. That’s what we’ve recognized for a long time. And we’re developing it from the standpoint of how this kind of cultural outlook has got to be strengthened and made more conscious in the minds and hearts of the American people. And if we have that, as Barbara said, we’re going to recruit a lot more of the people that are here towards a real sense of what our civilization is based on. And we’re going to counter probably the most insidious effects which has been things like the rap culture. This rap music culture, this anti-American materialist kind of culture which has recruited a lot of the immigrant communities.

Parents come in hoping to maybe integrate and be part of it, but they’ve got their traditions and cultures. It’s their children. You’ll see this in France. the second & third generations have become less and less assimilated and integrated because the culture that’s been promoted has largely been anti the very principles of our civilization. So the question is are we making clear the real principles of what a western Christian civilization represent. And I think that’s what we’ve got. That’s what Trump’s looking to revive….

Speaking of Iran, and Obama’s ‘Agreement’ There is Obama’s Handler, Valerie
Jarrett.


Flashback: Who is Valerie Jarrett?

….According to FBI files obtained by Judicial Watch, Jarrett’s father, Dr. James E. Bowman, a pathologist and geneticist, “had extensive ties to Communist associations and individuals.”

The files also show that “in 1950, Bowman was in communication with a paid Soviet agent Alfred Stern, who fled to Prague after getting charged with espionage.”

Alfred Stern and his wife, Martha Dodd Stern, “were indicted in absentia on espionage charges on Sept. 9, 1957, The New York Times reported. The indictment charged them with conspiring to act as Soviet agents, receiving American military, commercial and industrial information and transmitting it to the Soviet Union. The indictment charged that they used their house in Ridgefield, Conn., for meetings with Soviet agents.”

Dr. James Bowman “was also a member of a Communist-sympathizing group called the Association of Internes and Medical Students,” reported Judicial Watch. “After his discharge from the Army Medical Corps in 1955, Bowman moved to Iran to work.” Valerie Jarret was born in Iran on Nov. 14, 1956.

The Association of Internes and Medical Students, according to the FBI files, is a group that “has long been a faithful follower of the Communist Party line.” Bowman had “deep ties to Chicago,” reported Judicial Watch, “where he often collaborated with fellow Communists.”

Judicial Watch further stated that the Jarrett family Communist ties “also include a business partnership between Jarrett’s maternal grandpa, Robert Rochon Taylor (1899-1957) and [Alfred] Stern, the Soviet agent associated with her dad.”

Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett (1917-2004), “was also another big-time Chicago Communist,” according to the FBI files. “For a period of time Vernon Jarrett appeared on the FBI’s Security Index and was considered a potential Communist saboteur who was to be arrested in the event of a conflict with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR),” Judicial Watch said.

According to the FBI documents, Vernon Jarrett’s job was to “write propaganda for a Communist Party front group in Chicago that would ‘disseminate the Communist Party line among … the middle class.”

“Faithful to her roots, [Valerie Jarrett] still has connections to many Communist and extremist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood,” said Judicial Watch. “Jarrett and her family also had strong ties to Frank Marshall Davis, a big Obama mentor and Communist Party member with an extensive FBI file.”


Discover the NetworksValerie Jarrett

…The federal government placed Bowman [ValJar’s Dad — GC] under special surveillance because of his involvement with the European Recovery Program (ERP)—i.e., the Marshall Plan. Historian Paul Kengor explains: “This ERP/Marshall Plan association is very intriguing, and troubling. One of the most insidious forms of Communist Party agitation in the 1940s and 1950s was to frame the Marshall Plan as a form of vile American imperialism. It was the Kremlin line, pushed by Stalin and Molotov and mimicked by [the] Communist Party USA. One of the worst peddlers of this line was Frank Marshall Davis, who characterized the Marshall Plan in his columns as a ‘device’ to maintain ‘white imperialism.’ The plan, by Davis’s rendering, was a disgusting ‘oppression of non-white peoples everywhere,’ a slavery purchased by Secretary of State Marshall’s ‘billions of U.S. dollars … to bolster the tottering empires of England, France, Belgium, Holland and the other western exploiters of teeming millions of humans.’ … Was James Bowman [promoting the same notions about the Marshall Plan]? I cannot tell from … his FBI file, but I can say that Bowman’s work for, or position on, the Marshall Plan was the item of special concern to the FBI.”

Bowman was also a member of the Association of Internes and Medical Students, a group that, according to Bowman’s FBI file, engaged in un-American activities and “has long been a faithful follower of the Communist Party line.” …

Bowman was also very active with the communist student group American Youth for Democracy as well as the International Labor Defense and the American Committee for Protection of Foreign Born (ACPFB), three of Frank Marshall Davis’s favorite organizations. Paul Kengor writes the following about ACPFB:

“This group had been so extreme that the Democratic Congress’s huge ‘Investigation of Un-American Propaganda Activities in the United States’ (published in 1944) devoted a lengthy 15-page section just to ACPFB, atop innumerable added references elsewhere in the report. Key members included prominent African-American communists Langston Hughes and Paul Robeson, the gushing admirer of Joe Stalin, plus the usual assemblage of duped liberals/progressives, ranging from theologian Reinhold Niebuhr, to the great Orson Welles, to famed movie actor Edward G. Robinson.

“As the Congressional report noted, ACPFB ‘was founded by the Communist Party in order to exploit racial divisions in the United States for its own revolutionary purposes.Its modus operandi was to polarize Americans along racial lines in order to advance the Soviet agenda. Closely linked to International Labor Defense, the primary (concealed) intention of ACPFB was to protect foreign communists who came to America and agitated for the Soviet Comintern. The core objective was to prevent deportation of these foreign-born communists living in America. One such figure was German communist Gerhart Eisler, who became a major CPUSA cause, and whose name was omnipresent throughout Frank Marshall Davis’s Chicago Star….

1961-1983

When Valerie Jarrett was five, her family relocated to London for one year before settling in Chicago’s elite Hyde Park neighborhood in 1963.

For additional Information on Valerie Jarrett, click here.

Why did Jarrett’s family go to London for a year?

How the British Invented Communism (And Blamed It on the Jews) — The Untold Story of Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, MI6, and the Russian Revolution

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A different take on the Middle East situation.

The Republican War mongers and Israel are NOT happy about the possibility of peace in the Middle East. Is Israel going to get Greece to fight Turkey? Israel cannot fight directly because Turkey is in NATO. Also the Israeli Draft of people into the IDF is having repercussions. It is very disruptive of business and commerce. Dual citizens are leaving Israel to escape the Draft and the Ultra-Orthodox Jews are now praying for the fall of Israel.


WARNING: Ghost does not like the expansionist plans of Israel or the Zionists. However he has facts and background not normally available. Much of it complements the information from the Promethean Action video above. The video is 1 ½ hours.

Dear KMAG: 20260615 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

round up

transitive verb

  • to collect or gather together scattered animals, persons, or things
  • to adjust a number to a larger value with fewer digits

round-up

noun

  • the act of collecting or gathering together scattered cattle by riding around them and driving them in
  • the act of adjustment of a number to a larger value with fewer digits
  • a rounding up, or upward curvature or convexity, as in the deck of a vessel

Roundup®

proper noun

  • a trademarked herbicide, which at one time contained glyphosate as its sole active ingredient, but now contains multiple herbicides as a substitute

Used in a sentence

Although I had originally hoped that this post might be a round-up of information about Roundup®, I settled for simply offering some observations on recent formulations of the product.

Shown in a picture (new formula)

Shown in a video


MUSIC!

Round Up! Or something like that!


THE STUFF

Consider that Democrat-donating ambulance chasers and progressive over-regulators may have actually driven America out of the frying pan, and into the fire.

From Glyphosate to “Regrettable Substitutions”: How Roundup Changed—and What Replaced It

So, beyond Triclopyr (non-selective broadleaf weed killer long used against poison ivy) discussed above, what are the other two chemicals that are in “new” Roundup®?

One of them is Diquat – largely duplicating the dessicant activity of glyphosate, which duplicated the dessicant activity of previously banned Paraquat – and if that one sounds familiar (like the Paraquat of Agent Orange), then you need to hear this. (Brace yourself for his annoying blue glasses.)

The other is Fluazifop-P butyl – used to kill grass weeds. Indeed, in duplicating the unique spectrum of activities of glyphosate, this one may be the least concerning chemical in the mix. (Brace yourself for the annoying AI presentation.)

Organic crops looking better? Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



Dear KMAG: 20260608 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

  1. No food fights.
  2. No running with scissors.
  3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

“Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven that Wolf has created for us.”

If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

scribable

adjective

  • capable of being written
  • capable of being written upon
  • something that can be written, marked, or inscribed
  • surfaces, materials, or objects on which writing or marking is possible and which allows for the application of ink, pencil, or other writing instruments

Used in a sentence

Something that is said to be scribable implies that it cannot be indescribable, since saying that something is scribable proves that it can be described.

Shown in a picture

Shown in a video


MUSIC!

Indescribable!


THE STUFF

Do you miss Charlie Kirk? Thankfully, he left a lot of content for us! Enjoy.

Charlium. Useful stuff.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



KMAG DAILY THREAD 20260603 INTRINSIC, SUBJECTIVE, and OBJECTIVE VALUE

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☕️ MIND WARS ☙ Monday, June 1, 2026 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠

Jeff points out the major failure feature of the Fake News.

…Editors should have: separated real evidence from allegations, resisted parroting the framing of biased sources, brought in neutral independent forensic and archaeological voices, and updated headlines as the picture changed. In other words, basic journalism vanished like the alleged mass graves.

It was a complete failure of what is supposedly the media’s most important function: to separate interested gossip from facts. Maybe I should say, that used to be media’s most important function. Now, corporate media’s most important function appears to be distributing clever propaganda that destabilizes countries, spurs stochastic terrorism, and permits politicians to effect massive wealth transfers…


Earlier, on May 29, Jeff Childers wrote:

…Government researchers enrolled extremely vulnerable infants in an experimental RSV trial, did not obtain informed consent, continued dosing even as severe cases emerged, and two children died. Nobody was prosecuted or even fired. This is serious iatrogenic harm (injury caused by medical treatment) and a research‑ethics failure on its face, full stop.

The Times did its absolute best to cloak that very disturbing and all-too-familiar story in race. The two boys were black. “Most, if not all,” of the 31 kids in the trial group were black. Thus, the Times concluded: racism. What the Times didn’t say was that by the late 1950s and into the 1960s, Washington, D.C. had become a majority‑black city; black residents were the single largest racial group, and by 1970 had peaked at about 71% of the entire population.

That’s one problem for the Times’ unfounded racial hypothesis. Second, the NIH’s RSV trial was deployed through government-run or funded clinics. Both because blacks were in the majority in DC, and because of basic economics, most patients at these public clinics were also black. So we needn’t dream up some conspiratorial racial animus to explain the trial’s demographics.

Black folks were just unlucky enough to be living in DC in large numbers at the time. That’s it.

So, once again, the NYT’s dumb, woke narrative collapses with the most trivial inspection. But more interesting is why the Times leaned so hard into the race angle, despite having not a scrap of evidence. It’s because the last thing the big health agencies need right now is more scandals.

This is exactly the institutional reform RFK Jr. and Jay Bhattacharya were hired to deliver.

🔥 At some point during the Cold War, our big health agencies contracted a deadly disease. They are infected with a mind-virus called utilitarianism. The scandal here is not that the NIH gave experimental RSV shots to black infants without informing their black parents. The real scandal is that the NIH believes you can’t make a public health omelet without breaking a few babies.

In other words, the NIH’s secret trials of experimental vaccines would not have been more acceptable if the babies had been white, orange, or green.

Classic ethical philosophy based on Judeo-Christian principles says: “You may not use people purely as a means, not even for a huge benefit to others.” Utilitarianism rudely inverts that: if the benefit is big enough, and the expected risk is small enough, almost any use of human bodies as means can be rationalized.

At some point in the recent past, our public health agencies quietly slid from “we are here to protect people” to “we are managing a herd, sorry, a population,” and those are not the same posture. In other words, instead of thinking of themselves as healers, they think they are ranchers.

The Lot 100 episode illustrates this problem perfectly. Severe harms and even deaths of infants were tolerated by elite managers because the perceived collective value of “staying the course” was so high. Even fudging the numbers to hide the harms was considered virtuous.

Stalin’s stats were great too, until they weren’t.

In classic public‑health utilitarian fashion, the stated good was enormous —preventing a leading cause of infant mortality worldwide— so the “cost” of experimenting on a few dozen vulnerable infants in D.C. could be rationalized as small in comparison.

The reason progressives and public health types (but I repeat myself) stick like limpets to utilitarianism is that it is technocratic. The philosophy —which is a necessary foundation for communism— presumes it is possible to quantify, in hard numbers, the numeric value of human lives and flourishing. That makes it possible to compare political policies: which ones produce on balance the most human flourishing?

It is both sensationally attractive and completely perverted…

In the Lot 100 case, we find scientists who explicitly or implicitly calculated that infants were less valuable than adults, and that poor folks were less valuable than more economically privileged ones. After all, the NIH investigators recruited from public children’s clinics, not from the private practices their own children or colleagues might have used.

Put even more simply and uglier: the NIH bureaucrats didn’t experiment on their own kids.

🔥 I will say it: utilitarianism is an evil, reprehensible ideology that all good people should root out and shun.

Utilitarianism isn’t a neutral “science of compassion.” It’s a license for elites to convert other people’s lives into numbers and then quietly decide which ones are expendable. Once you agree that it’s acceptable to harm a few innocents to buy hypothetical benefits for the many, you haven’t elevated morality— you’ve simply replaced “thou shalt not” with “let’s run the model and see who dies.”

Lot 100 was not a tragic mistake; it was utilitarianism doing exactly what it promises: sacrificing powerless babies in a D.C. clinic for the supposed good of a population they never got to join. [It continues]


Jeremy Bentham (1748–1832), the “Father” of Modern Utilitarianism and progressive saint. His preserved head, anyway.


What is interesting is I had already put the following together about the philosophies of ‘value’ because I like Mises and Gary North. Gary passed away in February of 2022, at the age of 80 due to complications from prostate cancer.

Gary North RIP, 1942–2022

…He was by training an economic historian and had a strong commitment to Austrian economics. He greatly admired Mises and Rothbard. He once asked Mises how he had been able to publish his famous article of 1920 on socialist calculation in a journal edited by Max Weber. Mises answered, “Well, I knew him, and I sent it in.” Gary wrote a notable study of Marx, Marx’s Religion of Revolution, and a long and learned commentary on biblical economics. He was also a founder of the Christian Reconstruction movement, along with his father-in-law, R.J. Rushdoony.

He was on Ron Paul’s staff in 1976, and he and Dr. Paul were close friends. For many years, he spoke at Mises Institute conferences, and he was the best debater I have ever heard. In his speaking style, he was highly organized and relentless; but he was in conversation kind and friendly. When I saw him at conferences, we would exchange stories of the old days. Now, alas, I cannot do that anymore.


Gary’s Mises on Money is well worth the read. I featured it in an article called A PRIMER ON MONEY. The following article by Gary is another excellent read as he identifies the problems that are metastasizing in American thought.

But first the cancer we are fighting.

The Philosophy Of Karl Marx

The philosophical bases of Marx’s thought were laid early and remained unchanged throughout his life. As a student, Marx accepted the philosophy of Hegel as the only sound and adequate explanation of the universe. According to this philosophy, “the only immutable thing is the abstraction of movement.” The one universal phenomenon is change, and the only universal form of this phenomenon is its complete abstraction. Thus, Hegel accepted as real only that which existed in the mind. Objective phenomena and events were of no consequence; only the conceptions of them possessed by human minds were real. Ideas, not objects, were the stuff of which the universe was made.


If Objective Reality does not exist, than a little girl can become a boy or a cat or a dog. The people pushing this insanity are not going to tell you that it is based on Marxism but that is where it comes from.


The Purfuit of Happineff by Gary North

Old timers will recall this title as a memorable line in a memorable comedy album, Stan Freberg Presents the United States of America, Volume 1….

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO “PROPERTY”?

The phrase, “life, liberty, and property,” does not appear in the Declaration. The phrase is incorrectly attributed to John Locke. It was implied in Locke’s Second Treatise on Government (1690), but it does not appear. Locke used the word estate rather than property. He subsumed all three words under property.

Man being born, as has been proved, with a title to perfect freedom and an uncontrolled enjoyment of all the rights and privileges of the law of Nature, equally with any other man, or number of men in the world, hath by nature a power not only to preserve his property, that is, his life, liberty, and estate, against the injuries and attempts of other men, but to judge of and punish the breaches of that law in others, as he is persuaded the offence deserves, even with death itself, in crimes where the heinousness of the fact, in his opinion, requires it ( Sect. 87).

Protection of all three — life, liberty, property — is guaranteed in writing by the United States Constitution. This guarantee appears in Article 5 of the Bill of Rights, which was ratified in 1791. It has proven as reliable as other government guarantees of its own performance.

A similar phrase appears in Edmund Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France (1790). Burke wrote this of the revolutionaries:

To those who have observed the spirit of their conduct it has long been clear that nothing was wanted but the power of carrying the intolerance of the tongue and of the pen into a persecution which would strike at property, liberty, and life.

But there is no question that Jefferson substituted “the pursuit of happiness” for the more common term, “property.” Was there something ideological in this substitution? Was Jefferson a proto-socialist, as numerous contemporary historians argue?

Had he inserted “property,” this would have saved defenders of private property a lot of time and trouble when dealing with statist scholars, who are always searching for support for their position in the writings of famous defenders of democracy.

The pursuit of happiness is for modern academic man what the pursuit of truth is: a way to avoid the responsibility for discovering anything final. There is no objective truth for modern academic man, other than the truth against objective truth. Similarly, there is no objective happiness. There is only the subjective pursuit of such lofty goals by individuals. In this, as in virtually everything else, academics substitute process for objectivity. Defending the process is holy communion for modern academics. There is officially no holy grail, which would be much too objective.

Why this commitment to pursuit, trivial or otherwise? I suggest two reasons. First, academics do not officially believe in objective truth, which implies objective responsibility, which is decidedly old fashioned and even vaguely suggestive of the Christian doctrine of final judgment. The concept of objective responsibility implies objective standards and objective performance. Academics prefer to avoid both.

Second, modern academics control access to salaried participation in the process of the great search, especially in higher education. They control the implementation of the officially objective standards of tenure, institutional accreditation, and the flow of departmental funds. What Daniel Klein has described so well in the closed, self-certified world of Ph.D. economists operates in every academic discipline.

In contrast, “property” implies enforceable titles to identifiable units of ownership. This is altogether too objective for modern defenders of the political defense of the pursuit of happiness. They defend the democratic process, which affirms, “Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.” They want to believe in Jefferson the democrat, not Jefferson the defender of free market capitalism. They want to eradicate political restrictions on the confiscation of property by the State. The suggestion that politics exists so as to defend private property is only marginally less welcome than the suggestion that the Second Amendment to the Constitution actually means that civilians possess the right to keep and bear arms.

JEFFERSON WAS NOT ALONE

It was not only Jefferson who neglected to spell out in official detail his personal adherence to the private property social order. It was also Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations (1776), four months earlier, had placed the division of labor at the forefront of its economic attack on mercantilism, an attack that Jefferson made political in the Declaration. Smith’s pedagogical strategy backfired for the next 150 years. By failing to specify in Wealth of Nations the moral and philosophical foundations for private ownership, Smith handed the seemingly high moral ground over to Godwin and the socialists. The consequences of this decision have been chronicled in considerable detail by Tom Bethell in Chapter 7 of his book, The Noblest Triumph: Property and Prosperity Through the Ages (1998).

Jefferson was the supreme follower of Adam Smith among the American Revolutionaries. But by failing to specify property as the third pillar of the justification for civil government — a mistake Locke had not made — he made more difficult his ideological heirs’ defense of the private property order.

The pursuit of happiness is open-ended and non-specific. Liberty is just too vague to be defended systematically. What was needed in 1776 in both of those legendary documents was the insight made by Frederic Bastiat in 1850, in the midst of a European revolution that had begun in early 1848, a few weeks before Marx and Engels’ anonymous tract appeared, Manifesto of the Communist Party. Bastiat wrote in The Law, “Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” Or, in the words of a previous defender of objective private property, “Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Genesis 2:16b-17)

Gary North Mentions Bastiat. Here is part of an article about Bastiat and his philosophy.

Bastiat, Spoliation by Law

Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850) was one of the leading advocates of free markets and free trade in the mid-19 century. He was inspired by the activities of Richard Cobden and the organization of the Anti-Corn Law League in Britain in the 1840s and tried to mimic their success in France. Bastiat was an elected member of various French political bodies and opposed both protection and the rise of socialist ideas in these forums. His writings for a broader audience were very popular and were quickly translated and republished in the U.S. and throughout Europe. His incomplete magnum opus, Economic Harmonies, is full of insights into the operation of the market and is still of great interest to economists. He died at a young age from cancer of the throat.

LAW, Spoliation by

LAW, Spoliation by. What is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right of legitimate defense. Every man certainly has received from nature, from God, the right to defend his person, his liberty and his property, since these are the three constitutive or conservative elements of life, elements which complement one another, and which can not be understood, one without the other. For what are our faculties but an extension of our personality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? If every man has the right to defend, even by force, his person, his liberty and his property, a number of men have the right to concert together, to agree and to organize a common force in order to provide regularly for this defense. The collective right has its principle, and its reason of being, and bases its legitimacy upon the individual right, and the common force can not legitimately have any other end or any other mission than the isolated forces for which it is substituted. Thus, as an individual can not legitimately make any forcible attempt against the person, liberty or property of another individual, so, for the same reason, a community can not legitimately make use of force to destroy the person, liberty or property of individuals or of classes. For this perversion of force would be, in the latter case, as well as in the former, in contradiction to our premises.

Which brings us to capitalism which TradeBait2 discussed yesterday. This is looking at Capitalism from the point of view of an Atheist. For those who may not know Ayn Rand grew up in the Soviet Union.

Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal

Laissez-faire capitalism, according to Ayn Rand, is not just an ideal but an unknown ideal. Few grasp its meaning, history, economics, or moral justification. In Capitalism, Rand sets out to remedy that.

Rand argues that capitalism is “a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.” In practice, this means that a capitalist society is one in which the government performs a single function: it protects individual rights by banning “physical force from human relationships.”

Pure capitalism, she concludes, has never existed: but in the countries that approached it, with America in the second half of the nineteenth century leading the way, the individual was able to flourish. This is because capitalism is the only system that fully recognizes that man is the rational being who “has the right to exist for his own sake,” free from coercion by others.

Intrinsic Theory of Values

There are, in essence, three schools of thought on the nature of the good: the intrinsic, the subjective, and the objective. The intrinsic theory holds that the good is inherent in certain things or actions as such, regardless of their context and consequences, regardless of any benefit or injury they may cause to the actors and subjects involved. It is a theory that divorces the concept of “good” from beneficiaries, and the concept of “value” from valuer and purpose — claiming that the good is good in, by, and of itself.

The subjectivist theory holds that the good bears no relation to the facts of reality, that it is the product of a man’s consciousness, created by his feelings, desires, “intuitions,” or whims, and that it is merely an “arbitrary postulate” or an “emotional commitment.”

The Good

There are, in essence, three schools of thought on the nature of the good: the intrinsic, the subjective, and the objective. The intrinsic theory holds that the good is inherent in certain things or actions as such, regardless of their context and consequences, regardless of any benefit or injury they may cause to the actors and subjects involved. It is a theory that divorces the concept of “good” from beneficiaries, and the concept of “value” from valuer and purpose — claiming that the good is good in, by, and of itself.

The subjectivist theory holds that the good bears no relation to the facts of reality, that it is the product of a man’s consciousness, created by his feelings, desires, “intuitions,” or whims, and that it is merely an “arbitrary postulate” or an “emotional commitment.”

The intrinsic theory holds that the good resides in some sort of reality, independent of man’s consciousness; the subjectivist theory holds that the good resides in man’s consciousness, independent of reality.

The objective theory holds that the good is neither an attribute of “things in themselves” nor of man’s emotional states, but an evaluation of the facts of reality by man’s consciousness according to a rational standard of value. (Rational, in this context, means: derived from the facts of reality and validated by a process of reason.) The objective theory holds that the good is an aspect of reality in relation to man — and that it must be discovered, not invented, by man. Fundamental to an objective theory of values is the question: Of value to whom and for what? An objective theory does not permit context-dropping or “concept-stealing”; it does not permit the separation of “value” from “purpose,” of the good from beneficiaries, and of man’s actions from reason.


GOOGLE AI: Ayn Rand intrinsic value

Value Requires a Valuer and a Purpose

Rand asked the fundamental question: Of value to whom and for what? [1]

  • Because she rejected intrinsic value, she maintained that an object cannot have value without someone to value it.
  • For a thing to have value, it must play a specific causal role in achieving a goal for an individual. [1, 2, 3]

The Ultimate Standard of Value

Rand argued that the concept of “value” only makes sense because living organisms face the alternative of life or death. Therefore, the ultimate standard of value is an individual’s own life. An object or action is considered “good” or “valuable” if it serves to sustain and further that specific individual’s life. [1, 2, 3]

Explore the Intrinsic Theory of Values in the Ayn Rand Lexicon to read her exact definitions and arguments. [1]


Commentary: Remember Khrushchev’s Prediction in 1959?

Khrushchev was right.

With the support of the Democratic Socialists, his prediction is coming true.

Also, I remember him beating his shoe on the desk in the UN saying,”We will bury you”….

A reminder of Khrushchev comments September 29, 1959: THIS WAS Russian Prime Minister Nikita Khrushchev’s ENTIRE QUOTE from that day:

“Your children’s children will live under communism, You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright; but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken your economy, until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands.” “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

Do you remember or know all of what Russia’s Khrushchev said in 1959?

How do you create a Socialist State?

There are 8 levels of control; read the following recipe:

1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.

2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.

3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Fast forward to 2021.

Is this parallel to the Democrat Socialist Agenda???? 

With an open mind, you can draw your own conclusions.

One last historical fact that needs to be remembered: In 1964, on the floor of the U.S. Senate, Democrats held the longest filibuster in our nation’s history, 75 days. All trying to prevent the passage of one piece of legislation. You guessed it: THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

Amazing how the CIA reading room hides all of this:

Approved for release 1/22/2002 Khrushchev We will bury you

LYRICS

None shall sleep,

None shall sleep!

Even you, oh Princess,

In your cold room,

Watch the stars,

That tremble with love

And with hope.

But my secret is hidden within me,

My name no one shall know,

No… no…

On your mouth,

I will tell it,

When the light shines.

And my kiss will dissolve

the silence that makes you mine!

(No one will know his name

and we must, alas, die.)

Vanish, o night!

Set, stars! Set, stars!

At dawn,

I will win!

I will win!

I will win!

Dear KMAG: 20260601 Trump Won Three Times ❀ Open Topic


Joe Biden never won. This is our Real President – 45, 46, 47.

AND our beautiful REALFLOTUS.


This Stormwatch Monday Open Thread remains open – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA/KAG/KMAG world (with KMAG being a bit of both).

And yes, it’s Monday…again.

But we WILL get through it!

We will always remember Wheatie,

Pray for Trump,

Yet have fun,

and HOLD ON when things get crazy!


We will follow the RULES of civility that Wheatie left for us:

Wheatie’s Rules:

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And while we engage in vigorous free speech, we will remember Wheatie’s advice on civility, non-violence, and site unity:

“We’re on the same side here so let’s not engage in friendly fire.”

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If this site gets shut down, please remember various ways to get back in touch with the rest of the gang:

Our beloved country is under Occupation by hostile forces.

Daily outrage and epic phuckery abound.

We can give in to despair…or we can be defiant and fight back in any way that we can.

Joe Biden didn’t win.

And we will keep saying Joe Biden didn’t win until we get His Fraudulency out of our White House.


Wolfie’s Wheatie’s Word of the Week:

gammacism and gammicism

nouns

gammacism

  • inability or hardship in pronouncing letters ‘g’ and ‘k’
  • a speech defect characterized by the substitution of the sound “g” for the sound “k”
  • stuttering over “g” and “k”
  • not to be confused with gammicism, although, ironically, the spellings are often switched

gammicism

  • speech or writing characterized by use of archaisms or outdated expressions, often in a style that is overly elaborate or pretentious

Used in a paragraph

The exercises in the case of diagnosed gammacism are aimed at improving the work of the language. Exercises involving lifting the tongue, moving it to different parts of the mouth, sticking it out, licking the teeth or tapping the lower teeth with the tip are of great importance.

Shown in a picture

Shown in a video


MUSIC!

Gamma wave jazz! It’s a thing!

And if that’s not your thing, try this song…


THE STUFF

Don’t remember what Steve taught you about gamma rays? Here you go!

And here is where that knowledge is useful – some older, younger, Veritasium!

Veritasium. Useful stuff. Although, not necessarily, while fixing stuff around the house.

Just sayin’!

And remember…….

Until victory, have faith!

And trust the big plan, too!

And as always….

ENJOY THE SHOW

W



KMAG DAILY THREAD 20260527Kash Patel & the FBI cont.

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The second and last part of the Kash Patel transcript.

45:0058:30: The FISA Fraud: How the Spying Began — CONTINUED

58:3001:10:00: Modernizing the Bureau: AI vs. Terrorist Threats

01:10:0001:25:30: Stopping Foreign Scam Centers & Fentanyl

01:25:3001:49:00: Investigating Arctic Frost & Plasma Echo

First I want to draw attention to this new disclosure. I had not heard of this operation before and Google says it does not exist.

@jsolomonReports predicts that the SPLC case is only the beginning of what’s to come from this DOJ:

“I think we’re about to enter into a period of MAAA. Make America Accountable Again. I think with Pam Bondi moved aside, the speed at which the Justice Department will move on things that have been working in the system for months is picking up.

I think in the summer and fall, we are going to talk a lot more about a case called “Operation Round River. Its goal was to neutralize anyone who would dare suggest there was a corrupt relationship between Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and the Ukrainian Government or the Ukrainian company Burisma.

All the people I’ve talked to in government think that Round River may be the most JAW-DROPPING of the four codename investigations that targeted Donald Trump and his followers.”


The four investigations Kash IDed are, Arctic Frost, Plasmic Echo, Round River and of course Crossfire Hurricane.

….

ROUGH TRANSCRIPT:

51:30 — Kash Patel: They lost the election. And so what they wanted to do was kneecap the presidency of Donald Trump and set him up to fail. And so they breathlessly put out that false narrative about Russia and collusion over and over and over again. Remember these same people in Trump one, the Rosensteins and Comeys and McCabes of the world were the ones that proposed wearing a wire under the 25th amendment to record Donald Trump. That’s not me saying it. That’s the documents we found. Again, their arrogance. They wrote it down. We put it out. Can you imagine if Obama or Biden’s FBI or DOJ proposed to wear a wire in the Oval Office to record the president of the United States? Would we not still be talking about that?

Sean Hannity: Well, think back again. Donald Trump is running and Hillary is paying for this dirty dossier. Unverified, unverifiable. And James Comey looks at it. Didn’t know anything about the authenticity of it. Then he makes this famous trip to Trump Tower.

First of all, I’ve known Donald Trump for 30 years. It made me laugh when I heard it because I knew it was complete utter BS. Well, there was a report, sir, that you might have been in the Ritz Carlton in Moscow and you might have had hookers in your room urinating on you. Okay, if anyone knows Donald Trump, he is the biggest germaphobe. Him and Howard Stern, the biggest germaphobes in the world. And so it wasn’t true. But Comey knew it wasn’t true.

Kash Patel: There’s something more basic to it than that. The dossier, which now everyone has seen, when I first saw it, I said, “Let’s just do some investigative 101.

” Does that hotel with that room even exist in Moscow? It doesn’t. It literally doesn’t exist.

Sean Hannity: Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is the first I’m hearing it. What? Come on.

Kash Patel: Serious. So, we looked it up. Doesn’t exist. A hotel exists. Not with that room. Not in that location. It’s available on the internet. Anybody at the FBI could have verified that. They didn’t do it on purpose because the narrative, the salacious and fake narrative against Donald Trump was what they wanted out there to kneecap his presidency because they knew we were uncovering their FISA fraud. So once we caught them doing that, what’s the next best thing? Continue the narrative anyway. Continue the narrative to make sure President Trump doesn’t succeed. And thankfully to your reporting and just a select few others, and we were vilified for it then, we got the truth out. And now the American people, when you fast forward across the four years that President Trump was out of office and now that he’s back in office for the first year, it’s right to be focused on this. It’s right to be pissed off about it because what law enforcement should be doing is what we talked about at the top of the show, doing cop work.

Sean Hannity: I want to read Dan Bongino’s famous tweet and I first I want to know what you thought. Did he talk to you before he sent it out?

Kash Patel: The..

Sean Hannity: The infamous Bongino Holy Shit… All right, let me read it to you.

Kash Patel: Yeah, read it to me.

Sean Hannity: It says, “During my tenure here as the deputy director of the FBI, I’ve repeatedly relayed to you that things are happening that may not be immediately visible, but they are happening.” He said, “The director and I are committed to stamping out public corruption and the political weaponization of both law enforcement and intelligence operations. It is a priority for us. But what I have learned in the course of our properly predicated and necessary investigations into these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to my core. I’ll continue in a minute. I’ve known Dan like I’ve known you for years. This is not written lightly.

Kash Patel: No, we talked about it.

Sean Hannity continuing to read: We cannot run a republic like this. I’ll never be the same after learning what I’ve learned. We’re going to conduct these righteous and proper investigations by the book and in accordance with the law. We are going to get the answers we all deserve. And as with any investigation, I cannot predict where it will land. But I can promise you an honest and dignified effort at truth. Not my truth or your truth, but the truth. God bless America

Sean Hannity: I’ve known this guy forever. He did not write that lightly.

Kash Patel: No, we talked about it.

Sean Hannity: Look, he talked to you about it before he sent it out. And you said send.

Kash Patel: We were the best partners. Dan was easily the best hire I’ve made or I’ll ever make. He told me he only wanted to go a year. That was the agreement. I said, “Hey, man. We need you.” When we were first talking about he said, “I can give you a year.” I said, “Give me a year. We’ll take it.”

Here’s the difference. We are doing it by the book. That’s why it takes time. That’s why it takes time to build a prosecution team in different jurisdictions to look at this, to get the grand jury subpoenas out, to put witnesses in the grand jury. We’ve put a ton of witnesses in the grand jury. That’s what they don’t do. They don’t play by the rules. They don’t play by the book, but we do because, as Dan said, we got to do this right. We got one shot at it. We’re not going to do it fast just to get the headline. We’re going to take our time and get it done right and get everybody that was involved under the microscope.

Sean Hannity: When you say, the amount of corruption, this is a priority and that we cannot run a republic like this. I interpret that to mean and I want your impression. Tell me about Comey. as Trump always refers to him as a bad dirty cop. Is he right?

Kash Patel: Yeah. Look at Russia Gate. You can’t do that if you’re stupid. He’s not dumb. You can’t go out and give that Hillary Clinton press conference if you’re stupid or dumb. It’s intentional to seed the narrative and to cover up their dirty work. And so he built a team around him, which we obviously got rid of, that would advance that narrative that crippled the credibility of the FBI. And that’s the one thing we’ve been fixing. It’s not me saying it. The FBI’s credibility before Donald Trump got back into office was cratering. Cratering because of THIS, because they didn’t tackle violent crime and didn’t tackle national security issues. I mean, just look at how fast it changed.

Sean Hannity: Well, how could they be if they’re involved in all this political intrigue and sabotage?

[From the Sundance]

Kash Patel: And that’s what hurt the mission the most. The heroes of this mission under President Trump and this FBI are in the field. That’s why we’re giving them the resources. That’s why we’re bringing in things like AI. AI was never used at the FBI till we got there. Literally, I’m using it everywhere. I’m using it in places like our criminal justice information system database so we can pop fingerprints immediately and get fugitives and arrest warrants out. I’m using it in places like our national threat operations center.

I’ll give you an example. They wanted to do it human by human. Can you imagine how many tips the FBI gets a week? Thousands. If we had just humans look at it, we would never sift through them all. I put AI in there. We stopped a school massacre in North Carolina because we got a tip and we were able to triage it with artificial intelligence. We stopped a school shooting in New York because we got a tip from our private sector partners who are building our AI infrastructure. I mean just think about the old school movies. Remember they get the fingerprint screens up and they’ll say we’ll see you in a couple days when we get a hit. Now those hits are instantaneous because we are welcoming in artificial intelligence.

The former FBI rejected that notion because they knew that wasn’t their focus. Their focus was on weaponization, not modernization. My predecessors didn’t spend one second modernizing the FBI. They kept calling it the premier law enforcement agency in the world, but they failed to give the people in the field the resources that they need. They failed to give our SWAT operators, our tactical operators, our hostage rescue teams the tools they needed.

Sean, our guys, just to give you an example, are doing dynamic hostage rescue operations on a weekly basis with night vision goggles that don’t work. That’s not that’s not hyperbole. That’s a fact. So, I called my partners at DOW and I said, “I need an assist.” They were like, “Roger that. We got you covered.” Why? The question the American people should be asking is, “Why didn’t this so-called premier law enforcement agency of the world, why didn’t they resource it? Why didn’t they build a backbone infrastructure? Why didn’t they go out to the private sector and say, “Hey, we need your help.” Donald Trump kicked that door open. I’ve got every major tech company in the world embedded in the FBI rebuilding our internet capabilities, our classified systems, and the ability for artificial intelligence to be in our counterterrorism program so we can get instantaneous results. What’s the point of collecting terabytes of data if you can’t sift through it?

They never answer that question. And the mainstream media doesn’t ask the question as to why our predecessors kept putting a band-aid on a gunshot to attempt to triage the broken system of the FBI. We spent the last year, this is one of the things I’m most proud of, rebuilding our entire backbone infrastructure because an agent in the field in Omaha should have the exact same toolkit as a guy in New York City. No different. Our SWAT operators should be using machines. They didn’t have Bearcats in the field. We got them Bearcats in the field. You guys want these guys kicking down doors and dropping fast roping off helicopters and things like that and rescuing kids like we just did in Alabama the other week in the middle of a night from a guy who’s holding a young woman at gunpoint. We got to give them the tools that they need. And none of them bothered to do it. They just kept repeating the past hyperbole and resting on the history of the FBI saying we’re great and we’re going to get there.

How come Chris Wray didn’t fight for a budget for this FBI in his five years and saw decline in funds year-over-year for his entire directorship?

Sean Hannity: If Comey is a dirty cop, I know this issue in the indictment 8647. Okay, I think he’s completely full of shit when he says that. Oh, I just thought it was an interesting shell formation. Okay, every American knows what 8647 means. What an interesting shell formation. My wife suggested that I put it on Instagram. I’m like, okay, good luck with that. But to me, that’s the low-hanging fruit for him. Which is why I want to get into what the grand conspiracy will be.

But first, if Comey was a dirty cop, Director Wray used to always warn about some type of apocalyptic meltdown in the country, but then he never did a thing to secure the borders and he kept letting these millions of people come from 200 plus countries and that frustrated me. I felt that that those were all CYA appearances before Congress or the Senate. So my question is, how do you describe Director Wray?

Kash Patel: Look, I don’t spend my days thinking about Director Wray. He paid lip service to the American people to say we have all these investigations but didn’t reduce crime. That’s the result. The results speak for themselves. In one year, in 14 months with President Trump, this FBI has done more than the prior two guys combined. That’s that shows that the mandate of the FBI has been restored by President Trump.

Sean Hannity: That shows you’re not playing politics. You’re not out to screw the next Democrat. You there to stop crime.

Kash Patel: That shows the breadth of cooperation we’re getting from people like the government of Mexico, the government of India, China, Russia even. We’re getting these fugitives from all over the world and we’re sending our people to go get them. I was there on the ground in Mexico when we got the Ryan Weddings of the world. When they said you couldn’t get them, you couldn’t find them. We created operations to go and flush these guys out and we’re getting them all in record speed. We went to the government of India and said, “Hey, there’s a gal over there on our top 10 most wanted list who murdered her handicapped 5-year-old son. They found her in a week for us and we went and brought her back.” They could have done that in the Biden administration. They could have gotten Ryan Wedding. They could have gotten the rapist in North Carolina who was our most wanted fugitive. They could have done all that work. They didn’t because they were focused on keeping the status quo. That’s what the American people hated the most. That’s why I believe they voted Donald Trump back into office again because they wanted to change the status quo in Washington DC on Capitol Hill and the way this FBI represents itself across the country.

Sean Hannity: Walk through the next level. We got all the way through 2016. They set him up like a bowling pin because they took a career senior intelligence officials assessments about there was no Russian interference. They used the dirty dossier to backdoor spy on candidate Trump, transition team Trump, and then later the Trump administration. Carter Page is a nice guy. My understanding is he was a hero. He used to work with three-letter agencies. Is that your assessment of him, too?

Kash Patel: That’s the public information that’s out there. That’s correct.

Sean Hannity: I mean, that’s public and he’s told me directly that he would always help out our government. He was a patriot. Trump has to deal with that for three years. But there’s more to the story. It’s a bigger broader case. The reason that the grand conspiracy, if which you have said you’re looking into is so critical, is because the small the low-hanging fruit on Comey 8647 while important for sure is not the worst of what this guy did. And unfortunately the statute of limitations ran out because you had the intervening Biden years. They were never going to investigate the guy that did all this work for them. However, if there is a grand conspiracy, there are no statutes of limitations.

Kash Patel: Well, and also if they did it again, right? The win here is not just holding these people accountable. The win here is making sure that the FBI, DOJ, and the entire government are never able to do this again to anyone else. That’s what President Trump has said repeatedly. He was the ultimate target, but he wants to make sure that this can never happen to anyone ever again. That is the ultimate win for our republic. And it’s not just this statute of limitations thing. These people, as I said earlier, are so arrogant that they ran back the same playbook. That’s what we uncovered.

Sean Hannity: Isn’t it then important then that those that were involved in it be held accountable?

Kash Patel: All of them. Every single one of them.

Sean Hannity: Okay. So, how do we get from it began here in 2016, July, the press conference, all the way through the setup for 2017, and Trump’s coming in and explain how it continues from there.

Kash Patel: That’s the part that I’ve got to be a little careful about. What I was saying earlier is they ran it back again. I don’t mean in 2016 and 17. I don’t mean in 2021. I mean they ran it back just now.

Sean Hannity: Explain.

Kash Patel: In the last election. In the one that just put Trump back in office. They ran the same playbook of getting regurgitated bogus information funded by political operatives seeded into the intelligence community. And that’s what we figured out and unlocked. And that is where I spend most of my time when it comes to the deweaponization of government. Focused on, collecting those bad actors, getting grand juries, getting prosecutors, and building teams around the country, not just in one location to look at that because these people haven’t stopped. The same actors were involved yet again.

And so that, when you say grand conspiracy, I think the American public thinks one thing. When I hear it, I’m talking about the breath of the entirety of it. And we are putting it all in one place and that’s the crux of what we’re doing right now.

Sean Hannity: Explain how it goes out further. My understanding is you brought Joe diGenova in?

Kash Patel: DOJ did.

Sean Hannity: He’s one tough kick-ass prosecutor.

Kash Patel: He’s been around a long time.

Sean Hannity: I would not want to go up against him. One of the few people I’m like, UH No. But I think he’s also truth oriented and he’ll want to get to the the bottom line. So there really is an effort to just… what do you think it stems from? Is it they hate him? They hate his politics. They hate what he stands for. They hate his style. What is it?

Kash Patel: They hate that he [Trump] did everything they said they were going to do and didn’t get done. Everything from ending the forever wars to securing the border to reducing crime to historic low proportions. He’s accomplished all that and so much more. And if an Obama or Harris or Biden had done it, they would be building monuments for them. But he did it. They talked about it. They ran on it. They weaponized government. He exposed it. Trump then got back into power and said, “We’re going to fix it forever. So do it the right way. Don’t go fast. Get it done and get everybody. And that’s what we’re doing. We’re only 14 months in. I know people think it should have happened yesterday. But look at the public corruption cases we’ve already brought. The work that we’re already doing, the fraud. We haven’t even talked about the fraud in Minnesota or the scam centers overseas that are plaguing the United States of America. We’re doing all of this work. At the same time, we’re doing what you and I are talking about.

Sean Hannity: So, and this is what I guess frustrated me knowing you for a long time. You walk in the door and like people are immediately like slamming you with, “Oh, wait a minute. Where are the JFK files? RFK files with MLK files and are there UFOs?” Which, by the way, I’m going to ask you all of that. I’m fascinated with the UFO part. But you’re slammed with that. But then you’re also slam with getting to the bottom of this, keeping Americans safe and secure, dealing with narco terrorists, dealing with child trafficking operations. All this has taken place in our country. It’s kind of hard to absorb that.

Kash Patel: Well, President Trump not only promised to restore law enforcement and make it better than it’s ever been, he’s also the most transparent president in the history of the United States. All the things you talked about are things other presidents could have put out but didn’t. He did. And let me give you another example of what this FBI is doing. Our constitutional oversight comes from the United States Congress. I’m a big proponent of that. The prior two directors released a total of 14,000 pages of documents to Congress in a total of 10 years. 14,000 pages of documents to oversight committees in Congress.

Sean Hannity: How many [have you released] And if if you listen to your critics, they would think that you’re hiding everything.

Kash Patel: 41,000 pages in 14 months, I don’t do math, but I think it’s like a 350% increase. And that’s just in 14 months because President Trump is driving the transparency initiative. And the documents are the best work. And whether it’s JFK or RFK or UFOs or what have you, it’s also the underlying [stuff] and that’s the balance we got to strike. People are like, “Where are the rest of the Russia gate?” You know, conspiracy documents. My balance is to release what we can while maintaining the integrity of the investigation. If we put everything out, then we jeopardize the integrity of the prosecutions that we will bring. That’s the balance that I have to strike. And I get it. We take a lot of incoming for it. Why don’t you just put it out? Why don’t you just put it out? Well, we want accountability, too, right?

Sean Hannity: But you can’t. But people don’t understand either. You take in voluminous amounts of information. A lot of it is not verified and a lot of it’s not vetted. It’s raw intel that could hurt innocent people. You have redactions that would go along with it. I would urge anyone to go through 500 pages and try to redact what you have to redact and the amount of the intensity of that work alone would be insane and you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of documents. That’s a lot. [Just editing these transcripts is a (euphemism) and I can only handle about 5 to 10 pages a day! –GC]

A random question and then we’ll get back more focused but what keeps Kash Patel awake at night

Kash Patel: Missing something. Did we miss a national security threat? Did we miss the chance at protecting another kid or another community? And I can tell the American public that just look at the month of December alone last year. We stopped four terrorist attacks in four weeks during the holidays. Four.

Sean Hannity: Slow down a second. Most Americans don’t know that.

Kash Patel: Yeah. Everything from the pumpkin tape plot all the way through the attacks that were going to happen in Texas, Florida, and New York. And we stopped them all. We, this FBI.

Sean Hannity: When you say terror attack, do you mean a real attack, a terrorist organization, [and you] stopped it? That’s got to give you a lot of personal job satisfaction and then scare the hell out of you about what else may be out there.

Kash Patel: It’s a two-edged sword, right? Like, thank God that this FBI is on mission doing it. We put it out as much as we can because the work of this FBI should be known to the American public and it should be advertised. Their wins, the sleepless nights that the agents, the intel analysts and professional staff put in. The time away from their families. We are the folks that are responsible for safeguarding America. What keeps me up at night is we’re trying to do everything we can not miss anything.

Sean Hannity: So, you have to be perfect every time.

Kash Patel: Yeah. Well, they only have to get through once.

Sean Hannity: Do you fear a 911 style attack could happen again?

Kash Patel: We’re always on the watch for that given the current circumstances we’re in. And as I said earlier, the thing about terrorists is they’re exceedingly patient. After the disastrous withdrawal in Afghanistan, which led directly to the deaths of 13 of our brave soldiers at Abbey Gate. And by the way, in the first two weeks on the job, Johnny Ratcliffe and I went to the Pakistanis and got the Abbey Gate bomber who just got convicted last week. The question the American public should be asking is what was the Biden administration doing for four years not finding this guy that killed 13 American soldiers. That’s how fast we moved. And that’s how fast you can move.

The problem is, the way that Afghanistan was left by the Biden administration, allows al-Qaeda and ISIS K [ISIS-Khorasan – Terrorist Groups – GC] specifically to rejuvenate. ISIS K, which is the worst of the worst pretty much outside of the Iranian terror regime. And so they are rebuilding slowly. That’s what we’re watching. And we’re watching to see if they are moving people across continents into Africa into South America. And we’re working with our intelligence community partners, CIA, NSA overseas, and of course the DOW running targeted operations overseas, going after the drug traffickers. And the big shift that we had here was we finally equated terrorists to being terrorists. What do I mean by that? Muslim Brotherhood, they’re terrorists. Donald Trump did that. Drug trafficking organizations in Mexico, they’re terrorists. Donald Trump made them FTOs. [Foreign Terrorist Organizations] So that unlocks authorities that we have to traditionally manhunt al-Qaeda and ISIS and ISIS K on these organizations. That is a critical win that is never talked about. Moving the machine to designate these organizations as foreign terrorist organizations so the FBI the CIA the NSA and DOW can do what you’re seeing.

Sean Hannity: Are there sleeper cells… do you believe? And what degree of certainty do you have that there are sleeper cells in this country?

Kash Patel: So we can only work off the intelligence that we have and currently we are looking at that with our partners across the IC. I’m not saying there aren’t. I’m saying the intelligence that’s been produced so far doesn’t show credible information to support that. That’s the assessment of the IC.

Sean Hannity: I don’t know if I’d want to read the presidential daily briefing every day. I think that would be a pretty long when I look at all of this. I want to go back to your interpretation when you had the burn bags ‘cuz that was a big story. When I heard they left burn bags behind. I’m like, either they’re dumb — And then Dan was the one that opened my eyes by saying, I think somebody probably left them there hidden on purpose, hoping we’d find it and maybe even tipped you off that it was there. ‘Cuz you said this is in a room that nobody knew existed. Was it like a safe room?

Kash Patel: Literally, it was in a safe room.

Sean Hannity: And so you told WHO[???] go look in this room.

Kash Patel: First, we had to find it. Remember, it goes back to the arrogance. The people that authored Russia Gate and the ultimate weaponization of government and law enforcement, we caught them because we used their documents. We found their documents. I knew they had done that again. What we found was just a chunk of it. So, I knew it was elsewhere. So, I said, “We’ve got to go comb through the entire building and find a combination of two things. Their arrogance coupled with good people in the FBI who were smart enough to make sure that the material that the arrogant people assumed would be destroyed was not and that was the key for us.

Sean Hannity: We got Dan’s reaction. What was your reaction when you read it?

Kash Patel: It was something I anticipated. I wasn’t surprised by it.

Sean Hannity: Well, you were more deeply involved because you were working with Devon. So, it was just confirmation of what you already knew with more information.

Kash Patel: Yeah. That we hadn’t seen yet. with more information.

Sean Hannity: How do you explain that they put it down on paper? Because that seems pretty dumb to me.

Kash Patel: The arrogance. Why would you put down on paper that you had information that exonerated Carter Page and President Trump’s campaign? ‘Cuz they thought, “No one’s ever going to see this. Hillary’s going to win. We’re never going to see this.”

Sean Hannity: Are you convinced that there’s enough evidence that the DOJ in the future will be able to bring real strong cases against the people that are involved here?

Kash Patel: Yes. I can’t start saying names.

Sean Hannity: … [story about cops in his family] …restoring the FBI to its former greatness and restoring our intelligence community to its former greatness. Are you confident in this 4-year period, assuming we just have four years? I’m hoping longer. That’s possible?

Kash Patel: Yes. That’s what we’re doing. That’s what President Trump’s leading out on. people should really take a hard look at the last 14 months and some of the things we’ve talked about.

They said that none of that was possible. There’s no way you could reduce robberies in this country by 20%. There’s no way you could drop the murder rate in this country by 20%. We did all that. There’s no way you could tackle fraud in Minnesota. What did you see last week? FBI agents along with the inter agency executing 21 search warrants and raiding locations across Minnesota. Not just the fraud here, but the fraud that’s being manufactured and stood up by the CCP overseas in places like Cambodia, Thailand, and Burma. They’re standing up those scam center compounds that are defrauding senior citizens in America by the billions. Just last week, because of President Trump’s ability to have countries in the Middle East, Dubai specifically, the FBI, the Dubai police, and the MPS were on the ground. We shut down nine scam centers, freed 2,000 trafficked enslaved laborers, sent them back home, and shut down a $5 billion scam center fraud that was being perpetrated in the United States of America.

Sean Hannity: It’s crazy this level of crime, especially coming from abroad, is here.

Kash Patel: And [where] they headquartered it. So you have to root out the fraud like we’re doing on the ground in Minnesota. This is our operational plan that we’ve been executing the last year and go to places like Cambodia, Thailand, and Burma where the CCP is standing up villages of scam center compounds and work with our private sectors to annihilate them.

Sean Hannity: Is China the worst of all our geopolitical foes?

Kash Patel: Yeah, by far.

Sean Hannity: Let me ask you about this. So you know I work closely with John Solomon. We know about Arctic Frost. The summary I would give and maybe you can give yours. They actually spied without a warrant, without any basis. You talk about unreasonable search and seizure on congressmen and senators and others.

Kash Patel: Yeah. And others.

Sean Hannity: How’s that investigation going?

Kash Patel: It’s far down the track.

Sean Hannity: You feel you’re getting where you need to be?

Kash Patel: Yeah

Sean Hannity: Here’s the reporting of John Solomon. It’s not just Arctic Frost . What about Round River [Google denies it even exists! – GC], which deals with Ukraine. What about Plasmic Echo, which has to do with classified documents? And then of course, Crossfire Hurricane.

Kash Patel: All of it. All of it collectively is run on the same MO that was stood up by a weaponized law enforcement. And all of it is being uncovered and exposed by the same MO that President Trump came into office again with to root out corruption and weaponization of law enforcement. But how?

Get the documents, then get the witnesses, then get the grand jury subpoenas out, then put people in the grand jury, then build a case with our prosecutors at the same time to collectively hold these people responsible and find jurisdictions where we can prosecute them based on the law. That’s what we’re doing across the board.

Sean Hannity: Relatively speaking, things that have happened to me, like I had Jim Jordan come on my TV show once and say, “Oh, by the way, the government suppressed your social media account for the 2020 election. Or my own my private personal text messages are released publicly with people like Paul Maniffort, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Kayleigh McEnany, I mean, I would think I have a right to privacy. I’ve never committed a crime in my life except speeding and I don’t speed anymore. Nobody ever gets held accountable for that stuff. And nobody in the media ever cared ‘cuz it was me.

Kash Patel: Yeah, I know the feeling. Mine too.

Sean Hannity: And by the way, your FBI contacted me at least a couple of times through my lawyer, and said, “Oh, by the way, we think your client got hacked by Russia, China, and Iran.” My phone. First of all, why do Russia, China, and Iran want to hack my phone?

Kash Patel: Well, you got a pretty big audience, Sean. I don’t know if you noticed that. And our adversaries, look, but in all seriousness, our adversaries aren’t stupid. Why wouldn’t they target you? You’re one of the most powerful messengers of truth that there is.

Sean Hannity: They want him.

Kash Patel: So, they want you and me. I’m a sitting FBI director and I just figured out that the prior FBI illegally surveilled and collected my information.

Sean Hannity: Is there any way to keep your phone safe? ‘cuz I learned through the Nancy Guthrie case that you could think everything is deleted and you have equipment that can actually retrieve it, which I don’t think you guys want it out there . For example, if you delete your cloud, you delete your text, you delete your email, you wipe it clean and it’s still out there like hanging out in the air and it can be retrieved.

Kash Patel: Well, that’s that’s a whole separate conversation when it comes to how do we use technology and how do we use these tech companies, phone companies, social media companies, cloud services. Everybody wants the best of both worlds. They want to be able to use that and rightfully so. But they also want everything protected and that’s why it takes an act of Congress to come in with laws that we can utilize to safeguard these American citizens. I mean, China, Russia, Iran, and DPRK are never going to stop their espionage activities.

Sean Hannity: Ever.

Kash Patel: Ever. We shouldn’t expect them to.

Sean Hannity: We spy on them.

Kash Patel: But what we can do. What this FBI has done is turbocharge how we go after them. I mean, Sean, you cannot have a 43% increase in espionage arrests in 13 months unless you actually turbocharge and do what the president wants you to do, which is safeguard American citizens. So, we’re on that mission set. We’re also working with the private sector to say, “Hey, you guys and us have to work on a couple of things. Ultimately, safeguarding, you know, free speech and everybody’s right to it. But at the same time, our job in law enforcement is to safeguard your privacy.” That’s a tough balance because people want it both ways and it’s really hard to strike that balance.

Sean Hannity: So, a friend of mine who is pretty high ranking in the FBI, he’s now retired. I’ll never forget this conversation I had with him and I brought this up with with Dan. We were talking about the FBI and he volunteered to me, said if the FBI ever comes to your house, don’t talk to them. That goes against every instinct in my being, my natural reaction would be this is the FBI. I want to help the FBI. You know, if they need my assistance, how can I help you? He said, nuh-uh.

Kash Patel: That’s the ultimate goal we’re working towards, to go back to that. But that’s what we want our FBI and our law enforcement to get back to. That’s the degradation of trust that has happened.

Sean Hannity: This is a guy who loves his country. This guy was an agent’s agent. This guy risked his life all the time, was undercover for years in his life. And for him to say, “Whatever you do, don’t talk to them.” It’s probably a perjury trap. That’s what he told me. Well, look at what they did. I mean, he’s saying that because of the examples you and I have talked about. He left because of it.

Kash Patel: And here’s the other thing. I’ve got so many FBI agents. We created a new program for them to come back in. They were so fed up that they left. They’re all coming back in and helping us. And so the ultimate goal of not just holding everyone accountable for the past that we’ve talked about is, the law enforcement community you and I grew up in, me in New York too, that if a cop shows up or an agent shows up, you invite them in and say, “How can we help? We’re getting there. When I go across this country, when I visit the field offices, when I’m in the community, every single agent, analyst, and civilian tells me the same exact thing. We are feeling more safe under President Trump’s leadership than we ever have before. And we’re finally starting to trust the FBI again when they show up because look at what we’re doing. We’re responding in record speed. You see things like political violence. We’re taking that on. You see things like a political system that was used to target individuals. We took on the SPLC. Why do you think they started coming after me so hard just around the time we indicted the SPLC?

Sean Hannity: Weren’t you on their list? I know I’ve been mentioned by them a million times.

Kash Patel: The hate list. Yeah, I’m sure. These are things that Americans have wanted for a long time and we’re doing it with facts, and every time, and this you know this better than anyone, when they’re coming after you, they’ve come after President Trump and the louder the cauldron of baseless reporting is in Washington DC, the more you’re over the target. The only thing left to do is keep pummeling the target. And that’s what we’re doing with everything from the fraud investigations in Minnesota to SPLC to supporting and defending people’s right like those individuals that we just arrested for throwing a girl to the floor for expressing her freedom of speech right and basically attacking her. We got them too. We’re doing that across the country. That’s just one example. And so that’s what the American public wants. And that’s why we stood up our national mission center in the FBI. We literally, made another transformational change. What we did was we have 10 agencies in the FBI headquarters that have stood up just to ingest all of the information on social media and everywhere

else about people being attacked. We are responding to that in record time and go talk to the folks on social media and see, if when they’re being threatened, how fast this FBI responds. We’re running that and quarterbacking that operation out of this FBI.

Sean Hannity: So, we mentioned immigration, unfettered immigration. The president closed the borders. Those 12 million plus un-vetted illegals from over 200 countries, many with terror ties. I’ll tell you my other big fear is we now lived through the third assassination attempt of President Trump. [more like 5 or more with 25 incidents — GC] I know it’s outside of the FBI’s purview, but I’m concerned because I see three common traits in each example. And I’m not being critical. I mean, we saw the best in Secret Service that night at the White House correspondence dinner. You were there.

As a matter of fact, I was in touch with you. You were with the guy, I think, within probably less than 3 minutes, 5 minutes, but here’s what bothers me. I think we have a perimeter problem. In other words, I thought the perimeter in this case was too close to the venue. I think you need multiple perimeters. And if I’m wrong, tell me. I know it’s separate from the FBI. I am concerned that the whole entire hotel was not swept. I was concerned that Trump International, If you know that golf course where the treed areas are known for paparazzi, they would congregate there. They never swept that area. You have to sweep, secure, and then hold it. Make sure nobody goes in after you sweep it. And then Butler, how does somebody get within 130 yards of a president with a rifle and use a ladder to get on a roof? I’m concerned that while the agents themselves, the rank and file are doing a great job, and I’m not being critical of management. I’m just critical of, do we need a an examination or re-examining how we’re protecting our president?

Kash Patel: Well, look, Mark Wayne and I work closely, you know, every day together.

Sean Hannity: He just started, too.

Kash Patel: We’re getting better and better. But just going back to the White House correspondents dinner. You know what the American public should also be proud of is the inter agency showing up. We were all there, the media was all there, and in record time, we had the suspect subdued. I had a mobile command center stood up at the Hilton Hotel. I launched our NC3, our national crisis coordinate center at Hoover and I stood up our command center at the Washington field office. And you’re right, I was on scene. We stayed on scene. We made sure all the civilian population was safely exited from the building after the individual was secured, processed that individual immediately. The FBI agents are the ones that took him to the hospital and interrogated him on the way. And that’s why again with transparency while protecting the integrity of the investigation, we put out more information than any FBI would have on this individual in our investigation.

That night, we stayed up through the night. I stayed up with my leadership team, and got back early the next morning to make sure that we had adjudicated and, safeguarded the integrity of the investigation to make sure there’s accountability, but also to learn what we could. We’re always looking for what we can be doing better, especially when it comes to safeguarding the president of the United States.

Sean Hannity: I just think we need more perimeters further away from venues. And if you can’t sweep an entire hotel, then we can’t have our president there. Especially with the assassination culture. Three attempts against him. Charlie Kirk is dead. Charlie Kirk, you knew him. I knew him. Can’t have it.

All right. Now, let me ask you the fun questions. You know, one thing I want to ask you is about the Nancy Guthrie case. I got frustrated because I knew from my sources they were trying to keep you guys out.

Kash Patel: They did.

Sean Hannity: And look, time matters in an investigation.

Kash Patel: Look, the first 48 hours of anyone’s disappearance are the most critical. And here’s how these cases works. It is a state matter. It’s a state and local law enforcement matter. What we, the FBI, do is say, “Hey, we’re here to help. What do you need? What can we do?” And for four days, we were kept out of the investigation. And when we were finally let in, Sean, look what we did. We went in and got the Ring doorbell and we said, “Hey, is anyone talking to Google?” I called the leadership at Google and I said, “Look, we know that there was not a subscription service to capture all of the data that would have been captured had there been a subscription service. But can we go into the cache? Can we go into the data before it’s deleted and see what we can find?” That’s why you have that image because the FBI worked with Google to put that image out. Another thing we asked to do..

Sean Hannity: You guys got that tape which was the biggest breakthrough during that case.

Kash Patel: We could have gotten it days before. We could have also maybe gotten more data had we..

Sean Hannity: Why wouldn’t they want your help? Why did they send the DNA to a lab in Florida, not Quantico?

Kash Patel: That’s the other thing that you hit on, right? Again, we were saying we’ll process it. I launched hundreds of agents and intel staff to Phoenix and to Tucson just for this case, just to be on stand-by, just to do the canvasing. And we said we’ll take the DNA. And again, it’s a state and local matter, so it’s their call on where to send the DNA. We have Quantico, best lab in the world. I had a fixed wing aircraft on the ground ready to move it immediately through the night.

Sean Hannity: Did they just say no?

Kash Patel: And they said we’re sending it to Florida and and then I don’t know.

Sean Hannity: They have jurisdiction, so it’s their call. Bad call.

Kash Patel: Well, that’s for the American public to decide. And what we can do is continue to offer support. We would have analyzed it within days and maybe gotten better information or more information. Our lab’s just better than any other private lab out there and we didn’t get a chance to do that. So, I understand everybody’s frustrations on that.

Sean Hannity: No, I’m not frustrated with you. If I was the sheriff and you the FBI was willing to help me and time is of the essence, I would want all the help I can get. Okay. Let me ask you about this. And I think this is really important. You’re going to hate me, but I’m obsessed with it. The JFK files, some have been released. But not all of them. If you go back and watch any documentary of the doctors that took care of JFK at Parkland Hospital, They all said the entrance wound was here, the exit wound was here. All of them. That never changed. Then you came up with the Warren Commission. This whole idea of a magic bullet that goes from here to here, hits him, hits him, hits the, you know, okay, never made sense to me. Every time there’s been an attempt to release those files, there’s opposition. There’s got to be a reason.

Kash Patel: Yeah. And that opposition isn’t with the FBI. We don’t control.

Sean Hannity: Have you ever looked at them?

Kash Patel: We’ve examined and fully un-redacted everything that’s within our purview, but there are other agencies that have equities in that, that I can’t speak to. And so the opposition doesn’t come from this FBI or us. As I said, most transparent administration ever under President Trump, put out more documents on JFK, RFK than ever before. I can’t address the reasons why other agencies said we can’t release X for Y.

Sean Hannity: It’s seems crazy to me. I it just doesn’t seem possible. You know, when the Warren Commission comes up with this magic bullet theory and the doctors at the hospital that are.. that was the leading trauma hospital in Dallas and they all said the same thing. They think the entrance wound was here came out the back which exploded. Makes sense based on my knowledge of ballistics. Did the ballistic side of it tell you a story?

Kash Patel: So here’s the thing. It’s a tragic example of what the FBI does and can do. And then when individuals want to be allowed to target someone, they’ll target the FBI. And that’s okay. That’s their right to do that. But we work with the inter agency. We don’t have a unilateral decision point on that. We don’t. We have to respect their equities. we have to respect whatever they have that is ongoing sources or otherwise that have nothing to do with what actually happened but they’re doing something else later. And so that’s the decision making process that goes into it. As you said, and as I’ve said earlier, I’ve been more transparent than any FBI director literally ever and so has President Trump.

Sean Hannity: So the previous 10 years 13,000 documents they released and in less than a year or a little over a year you’ve been in office 41,000 in a year. Do you have a personal interest in like JFK, RFK, MLK that you would just say let me just take a look at it? Not that you have a lot of spare time on your hands.

Kash Patel: I got a lot of personal interests, but I’ll get to those on the other side of this. On another Saturday.

Sean Hannity: Okay. Then I got to get to the question of either it’s true, these people that I’ve interviewed, these documentaries that I’ve watched. I’m more and more convinced. Have you watched Agent Disclosure?

Kash Patel: I haven’t seen it.

Sean Hannity: Okay. You’re busy. You have a full-time job. I’m more and more convinced that probably and my faith tells me you know we have universes within universes. There’s no limit to God’s imagination. So the idea that there would be life on other planets that may have visited here would not at all shock or surprise me. Have you ever looked into it?

Kash Patel: We’re looking at it. Here’s the thing again.

Sean Hannity: Okay. I want all the details.

Kash Patel: Here’s the thing. Every other president before President Trump could have said, “Hey, let’s look at that and get the American people the information.” What did he do? He stood up an inter agency process with Department of War leading that effort to get out the documentation related to everything that you’re talking about, not just from the FBI, from the IC and everywhere else. And so what do we do? We already delivered our first tranche of information to that committee and they’re going to be publicly releasing this information very soon. We are all for it. There’s nothing in this subject that we’re talking about that we don’t want released. Our job at the FBI is to work with the White House and DOW, give them the information, and then they’re going to put that out in a methodical process and you’re going to start seeing those releases literally happening in the very near future. We just met on it.

Sean Hannity: Do you think we’ve ever recovered alien forms?

Kash Patel: I don’t have any information on that specific.

Sean Hannity: So, you know, Donald Trump is kind of verbose. He talks a lot.

Kash Patel: I’m going to let you tell him that.

Sean Hannity: Oh, I tell him anything I want. I have no hesitation. But he clams up on this issue and I don’t know why. I’ve never been interested in it. I’m like, I want you to get interested in it.

Kash Patel: Well, it’s just another example of President Trump listens to what the American public has an interest in. He’s got a a job that’s a billion times more busy than mine. I’m just focused on law enforcement, national security, and crushing violent crime. He’s got to do a million different things at once, and he still has the time to say, “Stand up an organization. The American public wants the documents. We’ve already delivered the documents. They’re coming out. That’s it.”

Sean Hannity: All right. My last thing I want to reiterate for people is in the what 14 months you’ve been the FBI director, what a dramatic shift. And the statistics speak for themselves. And you never get credit. Do you care about not getting credit?

Kash Patel: I don’t want me to get the credit. I don’t care about that. I care about restoring the FBI’s credibility, which is what President Trump is driving for. And I think at some point in the future, people are going to look back and say, “Look at what President Trump and the FBI did. Restored safety to communities across America.” We’re going to start hearing from all these families just generally speaking, not in the media. I mean, saying, “My kid didn’t have access to these illicit drugs in their school, and there was not an overdose. Our communities and playgrounds are safe. They’re back out there doing what they need to be doing. These kids are getting to go to college. There’s not senseless murders and robberies. Gang violence is at an all-time or getting to an all-time low.

These are things that take time to message from the American populace. And I think there’ll be a point in time where that starts meeting the statistics that we’ve laid out here. And that’s the ultimate win. That’s the job. It’s not about me. It’s about these guys and gals doing the work out there. And again, putting the mission first and giving the credit to the heroes in the field and not the monstrosity that was created in Washington DC by my predecessors, which we’ve taken a wrecking ball to. We didn’t come up with some super creative way on how to retool law enforcement. We just took what President Trump said, back the blue, and let good cops be cops. And you’re seeing the results. And we’re doing things like the FBI field manual. I’ll leave you with this. The FBI field manual, our operations guide book used to be like this. [hands one foot apart]

Approvals, requirements, authorities. I slashed that by 40%. I let all the state and local officers that came up to me over the last year and change said, “Hey, I want to be a task force officer with the FBI.” I’m like, “Great. Let’s do it.” I’ve been waiting 14 months. Why is that? Because the FBI had an internal policy that didn’t allow it. Gone. Now you can be a task force officer in 60 days. We cleared a 700 task force officer backlog. Gone. So now if you want the job, which we want you in on, now they’re coming. State and locals, they’re thrilled with that. Little things like the cross deputization, we no longer have to wait for the inter agency to deputize our task force guys. the FBI field offices where the power is in the field and the special agents in charge are now on their own for the first time ever allowed to deputize their own task force officers. Why didn’t the FBI do that before? The institution prevented it because the bureaucracy was so bloated.

Sean Hannity: You know what one of the saddest things Dan said to me in in his interview is that he thinks if they get back in power again, they’re going to want to arrest people like him and you, me probably, and anybody else they disagree with politically. That’s pretty scary. I mean, this is the US.

Kash Patel: It is scary.

Sean Hannity: That shouldn’t happen in our country.

Kash Patel: It shouldn’t. And that’s why we’re making sure we build this place into something that lasts forever. And that’s the job. That’s the behind the-scenes job. All the things we talked about, I probably haven’t ever talked about 80% of it before today. What we’re doing behind the scenes. Because it’s not the sexy changes that people, advertise, but it’s us listening to the guys and gals in the field that said, “I want this. We want intelligence to drive ops in the field. We don’t want intelligence driven Catholic memos from Washington DC.” And so we listen, Dan and I, and their current leadership. So we listen. We want task force officers. We listen. We want cross deputizations. We listen. We want more intel folks in the field. We listen. We want more agents in the field. We listen. We want to be able to get promoted in the field and not have to come back to Washington DC. We listened. We shrunk the dialogue. The operational guide book by 40%. We listened. And that is why we are moving at the speed with which we are moving because that is what President Trump promised the American people.

Sean Hannity: You know what? If we restore the FBI, our intel community, and we embrace law and order and safety and security, how can we not be a greater, safer country? And that prerequisite that I discussed earlier of law and order, safety, security to pursue happiness, then Americans will be better off.

Amazing story untold sadly. It needs to be told more. I know you don’t have a lot of time to do a lot of media. We really appreciate your time coming out and hanging out with us.

Kash Patel: Thanks for letting me hang out, Sean. I appreciate it.

Hopefully the wait will soon be over!