This [Q-3]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).

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We're big over the target on this one!

PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.

"#Science."

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

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You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.

Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.

Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.

Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.

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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!

“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“

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AND WHAT TIME IS IT?

TIME TO….

DRAIN THE SWAMP

Our movement

Is about replacing

A failed

And CORRUPT

Political establishment

With a new government controlled

By you, the American People.

Candidate Donald J. Trump

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Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights.
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

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Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid

OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.

Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.

Example:

LINK: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/08/10/dear-kmag-20200810-open-topic/comment-page-2/#comment-569473

wolfmoon1776 August 10, 2020 at 15:52

I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!! 

I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.

Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.

TheseTruths August 10, 2020 at 16:18

I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!

wolfmoon1776 August 11, 2020 at 01:04

Just saw this – let me get out of notification view and see what I said!

But now, take a look at these tweets, to see where SD is going…..

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John Durham is a head fake… Soon all will see.

There is no John Durham investigation.

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) August 13, 2020

In the last 36 hrs the (Not Durham) genuine investigators have asked for a week long delay. I will not delay. The truth has no agenda. @KerriKupecDOJ

[Senator Ron Johnson is a purposeful liar. Soon you know why. Even his staff stands against him] pic.twitter.com/V1Z0BhaujC

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) August 13, 2020

"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) August 13, 2020

Sundance responds to a bunch of trolls and splodeyheads, but this one has some meat:

So what proof did you require of Bill Barr?

Think about it…. https://t.co/iJg7IrkzoW

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) August 13, 2020

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SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.

NOW – here is my problem.

Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.

So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.

• keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
• separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
• on The U Tree

I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.

Thanks!

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The LancetGateEffect

Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.

This is the article that brought it to my attention:

LINK: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/07/15/media-should-do-a-mea-culpa-as-french-analysis-offers-a-stunning-observation-about-hydroxychloroquine-use-n643181

…..and here is the original article…..

LINK: http://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sante/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-works-irrefutable-proof

Banning HCQ in Switzerland left a FOOTPRINT in the data. I would argue that there is half a footprint in FRANCE, too…..

This evidence is extremely convincing, and is blowing people away. I get more “old” likes and retweets on this one, than almost anything.

Sometimes you only need to look at one country: pic.twitter.com/dFSOiK1moM

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 2, 2020

But here is the biggie:

There was a LancetGate Effect in The United States.

This graph is a real convincer.

I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.

Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzb pic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 5, 2020

For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 5, 2020

We really should have seen this coming – that there would be KARMA and CONSEQUENCES for banning HCQ on less than pure motives.

However, once you start digging into the FDA drama, it gets complicated – particularly with saboteurs like Rick Bright entering the mix.

But let’s ask a question posed by Gail Combs – is this whole HCQ thing a TRAP?

You know – THAT is a damn good question.

LINK: https://wqth.wordpress.com/2020/08/10/8-10-20-news-roundup-notice-the-democrat-and-msm-talking-point-has-disappeared-the-assassin-believes-that-pdjts-4-eos-would-stand-up-in-court-put-the-state-of-north-carolina-in-the-good-gu/comment-page-1/#comment-569018

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Wolfie what is your take on this subject?

I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.

Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….

… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….

That was me.

DP, Ginger, and others.

Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go

AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL…..
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…

HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.

So what say you?

Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?

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THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.

We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.

For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.

I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.

In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.

If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.

There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.

Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.

Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.

If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.

So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.

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Ivermectin & COVID-19

Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.

LINK: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.07.20145979v1

I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.

This article has a freely downloadable PDF version HERE: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.07.20145979v1.full.pdf

If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.

This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.

The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!

Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.

What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?

“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.

Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:

• less vents
• more steroids
• better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
• more oxygen earlier
• better testing, all kinds

As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.

Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.

It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.

It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.

The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.

If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.

Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.

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On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic

Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:

Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.

He strongly hints at the reasons why…https://t.co/YrTJp4CN9Y

— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) August 12, 2020

If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.

SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.

Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.

A match made in HELL.

Anyway – here is the deal.

We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.

• don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
• every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
• never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
• don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
• call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
• if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
• if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
• pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation

In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.

LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.

By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.

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Masks OFF

The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.

https://twitter.com/mhtx76/status/1293394550992580608

To which I responded…..

And NO MASKS.

“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20

Image courtesy of Aubergine.https://t.co/FqFlzlv0Bt pic.twitter.com/Eqdjd6cQKI

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 12, 2020

This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:

Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.

IMO, 50-100 points off your kids' SAT.#TestsNotMasks pic.twitter.com/M7nwnAYXoG

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 12, 2020

We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.

I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.

Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.

Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.

I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.

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Carry on, Digital Soldiers!

W

This [(10*Q) + 7]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY where Q = 0 open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).

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We're big over the target on this one!

PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.

"#Science."

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

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You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.

Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.

Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.

Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.

Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.

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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!

“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“

---

AND WHAT TIME IS IT?

TIME TO….

DRAIN THE SWAMP

Our movement

Is about replacing

A failed

And CORRUPT

Political establishment

With a new government controlled

By you, the American People.

Candidate Donald J. Trump

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Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:

1. No food fights.
2. No running with scissors.
3. If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.

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ObamaGate News

Let’s start here. A tough one to swallow.

SHARYL ATTKISSON

UNTOUCHABLE SUBJECTS. FEARLESS, NONPARTISAN REPORTING.

READ (NEW): Attkisson v. Rosenstein for government computer intrusions

DATED: AUGUST 3, 2020 BY SHARYL ATTKISSON

The following is an excerpt from the brief being filed today in Maryland state court in Attkisson v. Rosenstein and others for the government computer intrusions.

Plaintiff Sharyl Attkisson, an award-winning journalist—along with her husband and child—have tried for years to pursue their significant and credible claims of illegal government surveillance, but the U.S. Government has stonewalled them at every turn. Yet, despite the Government’s repeated efforts to obfuscate and delay, the Attkissons detailed in their Complaint:

• Expert forensic computer analysis of the Attkissons’ computers, revealing that an unauthorized entity or entities gained remote access to the Attkissons’ computers for a prolonged period, and that one of the pathways by which the intrusions occurred were IP addresses controlled by the U.S. Government. 
• Confirmation, via testimony, that the U.S. Government controlled the IP addresses identified in the Attkissions’ computers. 
• The degree to which senior figures in the Department of Justice were concerned about, and took steps to block, Sharyl Attkisson’s reporting, as well as her use of confidential governmental sources;
• Many documented instances of abnormal, otherwise unexplained behavior of the Attkissons’ computer systems and devices.

But then it gets interesting…..

Plaintiffs’ investigator has interviewed Ryan White, a Government whistleblower (and named Defendant). During this interview, White made the following significant assertions:

• White worked with defendants Sean Bridges (who was then a Secret Service agent) and the FBI’s Shawn Henry in Baltimore and reported directly to defendant Rod Rosenstein. 
• White and Agent Bridges were ordered to conduct various clandestine operations involving hacking computer systems, servers, emails, and phones. 
• White and Agent Bridges were directly involved in the illegal surveillance of the Attkissons’ computers and the exfiltration of data. 
• The rogue order to target the Attkissons came directly from Agent Henry and Rosenstein. 
• Later, Agent Bridges and another federal agent were convicted of corrupt acts for their involvement in the Government’s notorious Silk Road Task Force, also based in Baltimore, in which corruption by federal agents was uncovered, resulting in the convictions of Bridges and another federal agent. 

READ MORE AT THE LINK: https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/08/read-new-attkisson-v-rosenstein-for-government-computer-intrusions/

As far as I can tell, the surveillance of journalists at that point (2009-2012) was coming from Obama and ERIC HOLDER. So if Rosey was working Holder’s game under Obama, this fits in perfectly with everything I know about DOJ intentions and actions during the first 2 years of the Trump White House, when Rosey and Holder’s lieutenant Tashina Gauhar were running the show.

Rosey sure looks like a black hat to me. But I’m listening. If Rosey was an informant, then WHO was he informing under Obama and Mueller, as Mueller was clearly allowing spying on Attkisson, and planting of incriminating documents on her laptop?

But let’s move on, since Rosey’s guilt or innocence may be reflected in any upcoming indictments…..

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Sally Yates, covered HERE:

LIVE THREAD: Sally Q. Yates Gets Grilled

……was a big deal. It seemed like she almost got away clean. BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR….. courtesy of Sundance…..

Richard Grenell Discusses Yates Testimony: “She got away with questioning yesterday”…

https://youtu.be/l2wUUcR1yTo

Trump’s tweet on the getaway is wonderful. Sundance clearly SAVED it, lest it disappear. Or DID IT ALREADY? I cannot find it.

ANYWHO – indictments are very likely coming SOON.

This is worth a listen (in thread). I take it as a tip that there will be some predictable turbulence when indictments hit, and security has already prepared for it. Seatbelts. https://t.co/pUx0Xui5K3 pic.twitter.com/0B2ZAGrCBw

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

“Be prepared.”

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HCQ News

Let’s start here:

https://twitter.com/alfa673/status/1290876639040147456

This is the “Henry Ford study”. It basically shows HCQ cutting the death rate in half.

But those numbers get BIGGER.

If you read one thing today it should be this study by @CovidAnalysis

They analyzed two pools of countries: Using HCQ early vs No HCQ

After adjusting for potential confounding factors (age, disease, etc):

79% lower death rate in countries using HCQ early#hcqtrial https://t.co/IJv6JCm6bK

— Gummi (@gummibear737) August 5, 2020

Scientifically, this is exactly where I was when Didier Raoult (or Raoult Didier – whatever his name is) published his first “pay dirt” data with demonstrable dose-related antiviral activity in ALL test subjects. His numbers can be off by a factor of 50%, and it’s still huge and can’t be explained away as anything but SOME kind of real effect.

Numbers like these are either massive fraud or pay dirt. And they could be real nuggets. With a solid, known antiviral explanation, it’s almost certainly REAL.

Now – let’s take a look at a country a bit off the commonly argued map. You don’t hear a lot about COVID-19 in Turkey. Here’s why.

https://twitter.com/niro60487270/status/1290883705586593793

I had to comment and retweet!

Turkey is an interesting case study in a national #HCQ program which WORKS – in combination with aggressive contact tracing and quarantine, so that HCQ is given EARLY to people watched for disease start. cc: @zev_dr @drdavidsamadi @PeterNavarro45 @JamesTodaroMD @MichaelCoudrey https://t.co/WZp3RfQX8b

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 5, 2020

The situation isn’t done in Turkey – they are teetering very close to lockdowns. Turkey is trying the same thing as Trump – avoiding lockdowns. A lot of information on how hard that has been, in this article.

LINK: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/update-1-turkey-s-covid-19-cases-up-over-1-000-in-severe-rebound/ar-BB17z1u0

Scott Adams found Turkey’s claimed near-100% effectiveness of contact tracing a bit unbelievable, and I have to agree – it’s not easy to either prove or disprove such a claim, but in a country like Turkey, it should be nearly impossible to contact everybody catching the disease.

Who believes Turkey has an extensive testing/tracing network that is making a difference? https://t.co/HMvMWsSekb

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) August 5, 2020

NEVERTHELESS, those people who DO get caught by contact tracing ARE very likely to live, if they are getting HCQ as early as possible. See how that works? The more the tracers catch, the more contacts they find, the more contacted contacts are WAITING FOR SYMPTOMS with their HCQ in hand, and the more likely the HCQ is going to work. Clearly, [HCQ + contact tracing] makes sense. BUT here is the deal. People have to TRUST the government behind it.

Not exactly easy in New York.

Moving on, HERE is the biggie. I call it the “LancetGate Effect”.

LINK: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/07/15/media-should-do-a-mea-culpa-as-french-analysis-offers-a-stunning-observation-about-hydroxychloroquine-use-n643181

…..and here is the original article…..

LINK: http://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sante/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-works-irrefutable-proof

Banning HCQ in Switzerland left a FOOTPRINT in the data. I would argue that there is half a footprint in FRANCE, too…..

This evidence is extremely convincing, and is blowing people away.

Sometimes you only need to look at one country: pic.twitter.com/dFSOiK1moM

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 2, 2020

This data EVEN got the attention of microbiologist Steven Hatfill, who wrote a GREAT piece defending HCQ.

An Effective COVID Treatment the Media Continues to Besmirch

LINK: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/04/an_effective_covid_treatment_the_media_continues_to_besmirch_143875.html

Yes, that would be THE Steven Hatfill, falsely accused by Mueller in the 2001 anthrax attacks.

BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.

Peter Navarro – THE KILLER – tweeted the article.

Dr. Steven Hatfill's clutch hit. Best take down of anti-Trump Hydroxy Hysteria media this side of @ScottAdamsSays CNN might be killing tens of thousands. https://t.co/b4ThfIaQvG

— Peter Navarro (@RealPNavarro) August 5, 2020

And then I introduced HIM to something even more shocking.

There was a LancetGate Effect in The United States.

Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzb pic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 5, 2020

For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 5, 2020

Now – I’m not going to show you this – you have to dig to find – but in the wake of my comments, Daughn came in for an assist, and we were then both engaged by HCQ opponents. One kept emphasizing that FDA head Hahn, who was in charge when the EUA was rescinded, is a Trump appointee – like this was going to bother me somehow.

NO. TRUTH IS TRUTH.

I thought this was clearly an attempt to generate “Alinsky fears” – specifically POLITICS BEFORE SCIENCE, because it might hurt Trump or Hahn, as a way of shutting me up.

NONSENSE!

Hahn, as I tried to explain, has his own mind. I LIKE THAT. It’s like the way things used to be. I believe that Trump hired him because Hahn is a strong believer in FAST TRACKING new drugs, like Trump is. A believer in TRUMP TIME. Hahn’s opinion on HCQ, wrong as it turns out to be, is secondary. This is WAR, people make mistakes, people die. Generals and Colonels live with this horrible responsibility, and WE SOLDIERS SUPPORT THEM.

BUCK UP, WORLD. We do our best, we trust in God, but we do NOT lie and cover up when we understand error. People have been all over the place on HCQ, but when the chips come in STRONGLY that it works, and even more so that banning it is a PROVABLE mistake, we have to consider CHANGING COURSE.

One way to do that would be to listen to Dr. Zelenko and have a NEW EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for HCQ – this time without Rick Bright’s toxic “hospitals only” poison pill attached.

https://twitter.com/zev_dr/status/1291387353085480965

YES! We can RECOVER from the LancetGate blunder by doing what Zelenko suggests.

BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.

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HCQ Insights

One way to make Zelenko’s new EUA actually happen would be to INCLUDE NEW DRUGS – albeit handled DIFFERENTLY from HCQ, as part of the EUA.

I call this the “EUA EUA“.

“Early Use of Antivirals Emergency Use Authorization”

The way this would work is to grant flexibility to doctors WORKING WITH pharmaceutical companies and state governments to try new antivirals early in the disease process upon confirmed diagnosis. HCQ is well-tested, and as the “standard of this EUA”, it becomes the GOLD STANDARD of safety and efficacy for other newer drugs to beat, using whatever delivery tricks and codrugs make these other drugs work best. Those drugs need every advantage we can find for them, just like South Korea (zinc), Didier Rauout (azithromycin), and Zelenko (zinc + azithromycin, very early) found for HCQ.

One of my rationales here is that we can reduce or even remove toxicity from the equation by low-dosing a lot of these drugs, since EARLY use can mean less drug needed for the more toxic ones. In some ways, what I am doing here is learning from sabotage studies of HCQ, which used massive and toxic doses LATE. We are doing the opposite – trying to “help” alternatives to HCQ by giving THEM access to patients at the same time when HCQ works best. Some – maybe even most patients may still opt for HCQ, but others may welcome new drugs like EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, the latter of which may prove to be effective not just late, but early as well.

The point is, get EVERYBODY early, so we remove the incentive to let patients deteriorate, which is now “imposed” on drugs which need desperate patients for “right to try”. The EUA, in essence, would EXPAND right to try to early or even asymptomatic patients – not just patients at death’s door.

The EUA EUA *removes* any incentive to delay treatment, or to bash HCQ, but at the same time, it doesn’t blockade new drugs from access to patients at the time when THEY might be very effective, too, which our current system, weirdly, does.

WIN, WIN, WIN.

#LancetGate had a terrible price! #HCQ bans and discouragements KILL.

I think a new EUA that included both #HCQ *and* other drugs in the pipeline having antiviral actions, FOR EARLY USE (badly needed for antivirals) is the big life-saver, that would get buy-in from Big Pharma. pic.twitter.com/Dt3Fb5NXUZ

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

This will not only help absolve @US_FDA on the #LancetGate-effect downside of rescinding the prior EUA (by compensating quickly) – it will provide HCQ as an automatic standard to beat with new agents in compassionate horse-races EARLY. Basically moves up "right to try".

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

The fundamental problem we're ALL facing is what @zev_dr saw first – antivirals need to be early, but we perpetually move risks LATE in treatment (for good reasons). But I believe super-early and *LOW DOSE* may be KEY to next-gen agents AND antiviral therapies, avoiding tox.

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

I'm very excited about EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, with the latter now in use LATE. Opening up early treatment and letting HCQ be the punching bag old coach standard will breed champions. pic.twitter.com/MWGHYWG8eh

— Wolf Moon (@WOLFM00N) August 6, 2020

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NOW – about HCQ alleged toxicity. Here is an AR-15 of logic to take down trolls.

It’s important to address the cardiac toxicity issue head on, because that “problem” is really a deflection by people who “pretend not to know” how minor the problem really is, ESPECIALLY compared to LIVES SAVED.

This is JUST AS TRUE as it was with MALARIA.

Yup. MAMET PRINCIPLE. And behind that – AUBERGINE’S RAZOR.

Systematic review of cardiac complications attributed to routine hydroxychloroquine use…

From the years 1963-2017:

– Only 50 events of cardiac toxicity (since 1963!)
– Total of 12 deaths
– Median patient had been taking HCQ daily for 8 YEARShttps://t.co/5hgnw6qccH

— James Todaro, MD (@JamesTodaroMD) August 5, 2020

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Now – here is one reason I think that NON-VACCINATION AND TREATMENT is an important option.

One of the primary reasons to use HCQ instead of a vaccine, is the likelihood that coronavirus vaccines will cause immune overreaction TO infection by the disease, instead of actual protection FROM infection.

This is a nice article which introduces you to Dr. Peter Hotez, vaccine maker, vaccine advocate, but also vaccine truth-teller on immune enhancement. Hotez is somebody very difficult for the MSM to downplay and crush. At least, SO FAR.

Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.

“We just could not generate much interest,” a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.

March 5, 2020, 4:30 AM EST / Updated March 8, 2020, 4:23 PM EDT

By Mike Hixenbaugh

LINK: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091

There will be more talk about immune enhancement later. Be prepared. It’s a very “sciencey” argument AGAINST mandatory vaccination. It is a much more EFFECTIVE argument than “I don’t trust Bill Gates” – even though the latter is a HUGE motivator for most people.

And now THIS.

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Time To Go To WAR Over Hydroxychloroquine

What are we up against?

Something that runs us over if we DON’T put it down.

https://twitter.com/InAMadWorld111/status/1291072513703849986

Let’s look more closely.

We are not “starting a war”. We’re FIGHTING BACK.

Masks are a huge battle from the socialists who want ANY kind of permanent change, even really stupid ones.

Fighting back will be on all fronts. Some of it will be masks themselves, but others will be technical – TESTING and HCQ are going to be big.

Do not be afraid to put DATA like this in people’s faces.

https://twitter.com/carmindabrendel/status/1291459727143165953

https://twitter.com/GiantSlyers/status/1288563741206949889

Do not be afraid to ADMIT TRUTHS, because you can TRUST that more truth will come to your rescue.

We are going to WIN, and we are going to win BIGLY.

WE will WIN Ohio even bigger than we did in 2016 — MAGA is stronger than ever before! pic.twitter.com/2JB9rCzRue

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 6, 2020

Take THAT to the Bank, Nancy Pelosi.

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