“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” –J. Robert Oppenheimer
Enjoy another one of my “musicals”. I’ll get to it in a moment. But first, the background.
I actually like the idea of “Juneteenth” as a holiday, despite its unfortunate association in some parts of the country with black violence (Am I allowed to say that? It’s the truth.)
The end of slavery in America WAS a good thing. For EVERYBODY.
Man, did we learn THAT ONE in 2020. And the Bidenazis and Bidenistas had to use RACE to hide it.
And our own freaking FBI helped in the election theft. Utterly horrifying. I had no idea how right I was when I used to call them “KGB-FBI”.
NOW does the FBI giving Dylann Roof his gun make sense?
I’m kinda surprised that Juneteenth hasn’t been more celebrated, although – yeah – patching up the civil war probably involved LOTS of bad compromises, beyond the Missouri one that helped start bad things. Compromises just waiting to be undone along with “statues of remembrance” being torn down on both sides by communists. Mostly WHITE communists, ironically. That’s where the manipulable “guilt trip violence” comes in.
Just BECAUSE Juneteenth was often an opportunity for hooliganism, doesn’t mean that it has to stay that way. As more and more black people are stolen from the Democrat WHOOPS I MEAN COMMUNIST plantation, Democrat hooliganism will become more and more of a liability for them. At some point, they’ll pretend like it never happened. But until then, DUCK.
ANYWAY, I saw something that triggered a thought. I want to thank bflyjesusgrl for this repost on GAB.
Apart from misspelling ROSENBERG, I have to love that tweet. Even more, I have to love that it was captured as an image, so it will be here with us long after Twitter hides it by suspending the author. That is how Choomer Rasputin stacks the content on Twitter to the LEFT, as America moves massively TO THE RIGHT. He censors PEOPLE and thereby their ACCOUNTS to hide the censoring of the CONTENT THEREIN.
ANYWAY, I’m a bit of a connoisseur of Rosenberg memes. I’ve collected a few.
Here is a GREAT tweet by Dinesh D’Souza, comparing the Rosenbergs to the Clintons.
That picture of the Rosenbergs is from dear Wikipedia.
Another view.
Bolsheviks. SPIT.
Here was a great take on it, that somebody did.
Of course, there’s nothing earthly that can’t be improved.
Like I said, I’m a connoisseur. I even collect the bit players you never heard of, like George Koval. I did a deep dive on him and Jen Rubin back almost a year before Wray’s attack on Trump on Capitol Hill.
The very fact that fake conservative Jennifer Rubin published the below article (paywalled)…. “The descent of the GOP into authoritarian know-nothingism“ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/17/descent-gop-into-authoritarian-know-nothingism/ (WAIT BEFORE READING THIS – we’ll do it together later in the post.) … on February 17 tells me who is living rent-free in her mind. February the Qth was no accident. And …
Yup. The Bolsheviks in Washington HAD to destroy Trumpism. Too bad that didn’t work.
I believe that the reason our treasony traitors pulled off the horrifying January 6 false flag…..
…..which we have indeed covered, is that they figured the only way out of blame for a lot of nasty stuff, was to not just get rid of Trump – they had to get rid of true American patriotism itself.
One thing that the traitors did, which was actually very, very smart, was to INFLAME the buffalo for five years. They wanted us AGITATED so that we would go right over that cliff on January 6.
Funny how badly that didn’t work. They ALMOST got their “Reichstag”, but not quite.
Too bad THEY were the only ones yelling “Burn This Shit Down”.
Anyway, back to the Rosenbergs. If you simply do a search on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, you will be reminded that they became instant heroes to the treasonous left, and remain so to this day.
This [Q-3]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
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SPEAK THE FIVE WORDS BOLDLY TO OUR PRESIDENT!
“I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!“
AND WHAT TIME IS IT?
TIME TO….
DRAIN THE SWAMP
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also remember Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Little Boy, Fat Man & The Sundance Kid
OK – we have a problem. Sundance’s reveal, undoubtedly a NUKE of Eeyore proportions, is coming soon.
Many of us want to talk about “Sundance stuff”, which tends toward DOWNSIDE THINKING.
I will agree that SD does not do “mea culpa” well, or even “at all”!!!
I believe SD’s point about Mueller team control is not going to convince those who don’t see “control from below” as control. SD’s mind lives inside DOJ structure, and not everybody can or even wants to follow him there, but in a DOJ-centric problem, I gladly adopt his framework of seeing things, because it works like crazy for me, too.
Sundance’s warm-up revelation about Tash Gauhar is solving all sorts of problems for me, and is also enough of a reveal of the SERIOUSNESS of the long-term problems at DOJ, that I am on board with SD’s reveal JUST ON THAT ALONE. His big reveal (not the Durham deputy – the OTHER reveal) HAS TO BE in the space I’m computing, and that space is dangerous as hell to America, and must be revealed before the election, whether Barr is going after it or not. I’m not fully sure what it is, but just the SET OF POSSIBLES is enough that any sunlight becomes good sunlight, Barr or no Barr. IMO.
TheseTruths
I do see control from below as control. I would very much like to know more of your thoughts about your last paragraph. An article about that would be great (if I may be so bold!)!
"Durham" is the shiny thing to keep everyone distracted and looking in the wrong place. The real investigation has nothing Durham attached to it. You can debate the Barr strategy later on. I care not. https://t.co/vxmc9lUKqF
SD is also saying that he will reveal to selected journalists on FRIDAY, and will reveal to US on Saturday.
NOW – here is my problem.
Not everybody here wants to see Sundance stuff, which can be – WELL – for many people, especially Q people, demoralizing. I expect his reveal to be BEYOND controversial – I believe it will OFFEND and OUTRAGE, drawing mockery and derision, even if people claim it’s a nothingburger. It will stir the pot – as intended.
So I’m going to make three proposals about where I will discuss “Sundance stuff”.
keep it in the daily open – DEAL WITH IT – FIGHT OVER IT
separate posts, NOT in the daily open – KEEP IT AWAY
on The U Tree
I can live with any of these, but I currently believe “other posts here” is the best for all concerned. Let me know what you all think. It will happen before morning.
Thanks!
The LancetGateEffect
Repeating from last week, I continue to harp on the “LancetGate Effect”.
This is the article that brought it to my attention:
I alerted administration HCQ advocate Peter Navarro to this (having no idea if he saw my tweet – only TWITTER and the DNC and the CCP know), because I think there is a “knowledge crisis” here. Waiting too long for published data (by the same publications which were victimized by LancetGate, no less!) showing we’re killing people by letting the media badmouth a “best current early treatment”, is a RISK to many – science, the people, AND this administration – maybe even to its enemies, who will ultimately pay for an increasingly costly crime.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
I really think we need to thoroughly explore this possible ‘TRAP’ (Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t) so we understand it.
Gingersmom2009 earlier was saying that President Trump is ‘Weak’ because he did not use an E.O. to overrule the ANTI-HCQ SABOTEURS in the CDC, FDA….
… I and don’t want to be that floating turd — but someone was pretty strident here in a reply to me yesterday AM about the Stanton Act and how POTUS can’t go against Fauci/Birx or he’ll be removed from office. The EUA is exactly what needs to happen….
That was me.
DP, Ginger, and others.
Causualties in nursing homes was done PRECISELY to get the reaction you have. These people have spent over 100 years perfecting the methods of ‘herding you’ into the direction they want you to go
AND THEY ARE PURE EVIL….. [start of a long comment]
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I can understand why DP, Ginger, and others are furious and want POTUS to DO SOMETHING! I am livid too. I am so angry that if a Karen demonrat gets in my face about masks I would probably punch them…
HOWEVER, I can step back and I THINK I SEE A TRAP.
So what say you?
Is POTUS sidestepping a trap? Or is he ‘weak’ in not using an E.O. to address the HCQ issue?
THIS is a beautiful demonstration of how politics and science are interacting BADLY, and why we need to keep both politics and corporate money OUT of influencing science judgments.
We will deal with part of this below, in something I call “therapeutic agnosticism”.
For now, I think it’s very legitimate to ask about Trump’s relationship with both the health bureaucracy – much of which OPPOSES HIM and SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON – and with the corporate and NGO behemoths – much of that world controlled by Bill Gates – and most of which is also politically opposed to Trump.
I think that the other side will weaponize ANYTHING, and yes – I think they may well have been trying to trap Trump on HCQ.
In my opinion President Trump has done enough. He has been honest about his belief in HCQ, but he is letting the medical pros make decisions, and they will answer for any mistakes.
If FDA scientists don’t reverse course on HCQ due to the LancetGateEffect, and the evidence keeps rolling in, then I believe Azar and Hahn will have all they need to clean the place out very soon.
There are constructive paths forward – I’ve suggested one already, but there are others. Any EUA or other action which broad-brushes early use of more antivirals and explicitly includes HCQ is fairly absolving without spotlighting, and serves the interests of both “big pharma” and “people’s pharma”.
Note that remdesivir has been approved for more widespread use. If that use can be moved forward in time, such as allowing an early bolus injection “somewhat off label” or EUAed under doctor’s supervision, early in HCQ COVID treatment, and it gives improved results (I would almost bet on it), then patients, doctors, and researchers all benefit. Likewise, EIDD-2801 and RLF-100 need to be tried earlier, IMO.
Yes, to some extent this is expensive “boutique medicine”, adding big costs for small percentages of better outcomes, but honestly, THAT is exactly why people have private insurance and THEIR OWN preferred providers and drugs. Research is expensive, well-heeled customers who will spare no expense WANT that extra edge, so it’s a match made in capitalism.
If the MONEY can get these new fresh drugs WHEN THEY NEED THEM, and those who want cheap and reliable HCQ can get THAT when they need it, then hopefully we can all benefit – most of all insuring that patients are not dying of this minor but annoying flu which – I have to say on now-sketchy lungs – is not exactly as minor as the usual coughs and colds, even if it is, for most, more minor than regular flu.
So let’s talk about therapeutics in general, but FIRST just one of them.
Ivermectin & COVID-19
Thanks to bakocarl for turning me on to this article, which has proven very enlightening as I’ve dealt with the PROCESS of understanding it at a general level.
I had promised that I would do an explainer on this, and to some extent I already did, in comments, but I want to get some deeper thoughts out there. Also, this topic brings up the issue of “therapeutic agnosticism”. This is about not just STATING conflicts of interest in backing or not backing particular therapeutics, but DEALING with those conflicts – ADDRESSING THEM – very openly. Thus, I explain this idea more fully below.
If you search through the whole article, you will NOT find zinc mentioned AT ALL, and any time zinc is not controlled, an HCQ or HCQ+AZT study is operating with a loose wheel, in my opinion.
This becomes even more important because of the way the CONTROL for the ivermecting (IVM) add-on was done.
The control study for IVM+HCQ+AZT was done by RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS of earlier hospital treatment using HCQ+AZT alone. The authors understand fully the limitations of doing this, and I agree with them fully – it is better to do a potentially flawed study here than none at all. There is a strong ETHICAL argument for comparing PAST BEST to NEW BEST – and one doesn’t have to invoke Melania to know it’s right – DOING BEST is BEING BEST!
Using dice to send some patients to WORSE TREATMENT is not a braggable thing. Better to take some lumps on uncertainty, IMO.
What are the risks of comparing two hospital studies NOT done at the same time – where one of them is designated a “control”?
“Control” assumes that you’ve changed exactly what you know you changed – it means that you have a reliable reference, preferably MINIMIZING differences that have to be explained away.
Yes, it’s the same hospital, the same doctors, the same staff, but we all know that treatment for COVID has changed MASSIVELY over time. Here are important changes:
less vents
more steroids
better diet including vitamins and minerals to resolve deficiencies
more oxygen earlier
better testing, all kinds
As you can see, there are reasons for outcomes to be better now, completely independent of the study object, ivermectin. NEVERTHELESS, the authors DO see better results – significantly better – if they give patients a big dose of IVM at the beginning of HCQ-AZT treatment. They do as much correcting for differences as they can, in comparing individual outcomes, and I believe they tried to do a good job.
Skipping past how I got there, my reading of this is that IVM is very likely acting a LOT like AZT (azithromycin, Z-pak, AZM, whatever). It is providing a SHOTGUN for unicellular and multicellular organisms, weighted toward PARASITES. It has a different SPECTRUM from AZT, and will complement it. This will affect both pre-existing and new infections.
It is EXTREMELY LIKELY that this should work, even if IVM has NO ANTIVIRAL ACTIVITY.
It’s beautiful science – and also explains why the “pro-crisis” camp would oppose use of ivermectin.
The argument isn’t whether ivermectin is an antiviral, or any worse or better than anything else. The argument is whether is can be used to save lives, and how well it does that, versus something else – including simply NOT USING IT.
If these results hold, or are even partially confirmed, then I think ivermectin needs an EUA along with HCQ and several other new antivirals, for doctors to begin solving things EARLY with antivirals and “therapeutic adjuvants”, when they work best, as I mentioned LAST WEEK.
Now, let’s talk about therapeutic agnosticism.
On Staying Therapeutically Agnostic
Now – we have seen incredible bias against hydroxychloroquine – nicely summarized HERE:
Dr. Harvey Risch, MD/PhD from the department of epidemiology at Yale responds to the senseless attack and attempt to discredit him for his research on hydroxychloroquine.
If you get into that article, you will see where “the powers that be” try to KNEECAP hydroxychloroquine into “hospital use only” – which absolutely does not make sense, until you realize that one of the more unique problems of the new and just recently approved antiviral drug remdesivir (which Fauci labeled the “new standard” despite unimpressive performance in late-stage COVID), is that the drug needs to not only be administered by IV, but it also has to be observed closely for nasty side effects, and thus being up until recently stuck in a late stage, hospital patient track, which is NOT a good place for antiviral success.
SO – rather than getting remdesivir into earlier settings, what did they do? What the CHICOMS routinely do – KNEECAP THE COMPETITION in some way that nobody sees.
Honestly, if you’ve been in science and been halfway observant, you’ve seen how the corrupt ChiComs operate – MAFIA techniques – frequently SABOTAGING the other guy, although perhaps not until AFTER stealing the technology – so they seem to be quite comfy with the general lack of morality of the growing “medical mafia” in the US.
A match made in HELL.
Anyway – here is the deal.
We do NOT want to be like them THE OTHER WAY.
don’t cheer the failure of ANY drug – figure it out and fix it
every drug is different – help them ALL find their perfect niche to help us
never ever conduct a sabotage study like LancetGate
don’t reject studies “going the other way” – UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THEM
call out sabotage, bias and error, no matter who is committing it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is FAILING, you are morally obligated to help fix it
if you know why “the other guy’s drug” is WORKING, you are morally obligated to explain and even recommend it
pharmacology is not a zero sum game, even though patients are a zero sum market – every new drug adds to the arsenal of salvation
In short, I wish for people who are fighting the suppression of HCQ to not become deniers, defamers, and “opponents” of other drugs and vaccines, because doctors need those too, for patients who want or need those specific drugs or treatments.
LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Even if the other team doesn’t play that way.
By this attitude, we will DEMONSTRATE the superiority of our approach, which I sometimes call POPULAR MEDICINE.
Masks OFF
The fly in the ointment that mocks the smooth, lying MASK SOCIALISTS is SWEDEN.
“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.” -Swedish State Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 7/28/20
This wonderful meme comes from Aubergine. I also used it HERE:
Wake up! I can MEASURE my oxygen hurt by all 3 of my masks, using my pulse oximeter. It's mild, but it's persistent and long. 97 (sleepy) is not 98 (calm) is not 99 (alert), and 93 is where they take you to the hospital.
We need to start thinking about measuring things, because I am CERTAIN that masks are hurting us – nickeling and diming us to death.
I am having success understanding oxygen deprivation using my cheap oximeter, but I need perhaps a more expensive model to take finer cumulative readings and record them.
Gail Combs suggests that we can capture mask CO2 as well.
Let us think about this problem, because I am certain that CHINA is behind it.
I will add details later of why I believe normal mask wear leads to cognitive deficits for 30-60 minutes AFTER shopping with a mask.
This [(10*Q) + 7]TH of AUGUST FRIDAY where Q = 0 open thread is OPEN – VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA / KAG! / KMAG world (KMAG being a bit of both MAGA and KAG!).
We're big over the target on this one!
PREDICTION: The #LancetGate effect of increases in both DEATHS and INFECTIONS upon banning of #HCQ will show up in all countries that reacted to the paper, including several which have not been publicly mentioned yet.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the OLD January 1st , 2019 open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
The following is an excerpt from the brief being filed today in Maryland state court in Attkisson v. Rosenstein and others for the government computer intrusions.
Plaintiff Sharyl Attkisson, an award-winning journalist—along with her husband and child—have tried for years to pursue their significant and credible claims of illegal government surveillance, but the U.S. Government has stonewalled them at every turn. Yet, despite the Government’s repeated efforts to obfuscate and delay, the Attkissons detailed in their Complaint:
Expert forensic computer analysis of the Attkissons’ computers, revealing that an unauthorized entity or entities gained remote access to the Attkissons’ computers for a prolonged period, and that one of the pathways by which the intrusions occurred were IP addresses controlled by the U.S. Government.
Confirmation, via testimony, that the U.S. Government controlled the IP addresses identified in the Attkissions’ computers.
The degree to which senior figures in the Department of Justice were concerned about, and took steps to block, Sharyl Attkisson’s reporting, as well as her use of confidential governmental sources;
Many documented instances of abnormal, otherwise unexplained behavior of the Attkissons’ computer systems and devices.
But then it gets interesting…..
Plaintiffs’ investigator has interviewed Ryan White, a Government whistleblower (and named Defendant). During this interview, White made the following significant assertions:
White worked with defendants Sean Bridges (who was then a Secret Service agent) and the FBI’s Shawn Henry in Baltimore and reported directly to defendant Rod Rosenstein.
White and Agent Bridges were ordered to conduct various clandestine operations involving hacking computer systems, servers, emails, and phones.
White and Agent Bridges were directly involved in the illegal surveillance of the Attkissons’ computers and the exfiltration of data.
The rogue order to target the Attkissons came directly from Agent Henry and Rosenstein.
Later, Agent Bridges and another federal agent were convicted of corrupt acts for their involvement in the Government’s notorious Silk Road Task Force, also based in Baltimore, in which corruption by federal agents was uncovered, resulting in the convictions of Bridges and another federal agent.
As far as I can tell, the surveillance of journalists at that point (2009-2012) was coming from Obama and ERIC HOLDER. So if Rosey was working Holder’s game under Obama, this fits in perfectly with everything I know about DOJ intentions and actions during the first 2 years of the Trump White House, when Rosey and Holder’s lieutenant Tashina Gauhar were running the show.
Rosey sure looks like a black hat to me. But I’m listening. If Rosey was an informant, then WHO was he informing under Obama and Mueller, as Mueller was clearly allowing spying on Attkisson, and planting of incriminating documents on her laptop?
But let’s move on, since Rosey’s guilt or innocence may be reflected in any upcoming indictments…..
Trump’s tweet on the getaway is wonderful. Sundance clearly SAVED it, lest it disappear. Or DID IT ALREADY? I cannot find it.
ANYWHO – indictments are very likely coming SOON.
This is worth a listen (in thread). I take it as a tip that there will be some predictable turbulence when indictments hit, and security has already prepared for it. Seatbelts. https://t.co/pUx0Xui5K3pic.twitter.com/0B2ZAGrCBw
Scientifically, this is exactly where I was when Didier Raoult (or Raoult Didier – whatever his name is) published his first “pay dirt” data with demonstrable dose-related antiviral activity in ALL test subjects. His numbers can be off by a factor of 50%, and it’s still huge and can’t be explained away as anything but SOME kind of real effect.
Numbers like these are either massive fraud or pay dirt. And they could be real nuggets. With a solid, known antiviral explanation, it’s almost certainly REAL.
Now – let’s take a look at a country a bit off the commonly argued map. You don’t hear a lot about COVID-19 in Turkey. Here’s why.
The situation isn’t done in Turkey – they are teetering very close to lockdowns. Turkey is trying the same thing as Trump – avoiding lockdowns. A lot of information on how hard that has been, in this article.
Scott Adams found Turkey’s claimed near-100% effectiveness of contact tracing a bit unbelievable, and I have to agree – it’s not easy to either prove or disprove such a claim, but in a country like Turkey, it should be nearly impossible to contact everybody catching the disease.
Who believes Turkey has an extensive testing/tracing network that is making a difference? https://t.co/HMvMWsSekb
NEVERTHELESS, those people who DO get caught by contact tracing ARE very likely to live, if they are getting HCQ as early as possible. See how that works? The more the tracers catch, the more contacts they find, the more contacted contacts are WAITING FOR SYMPTOMS with their HCQ in hand, and the more likely the HCQ is going to work. Clearly, [HCQ + contact tracing] makes sense. BUT here is the deal. People have to TRUST the government behind it.
Not exactly easy in New York.
Moving on, HERE is the biggie. I call it the “LancetGate Effect”.
Yes, that would be THE Steven Hatfill, falsely accused by Mueller in the 2001 anthrax attacks.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
Peter Navarro – THE KILLER – tweeted the article.
Dr. Steven Hatfill's clutch hit. Best take down of anti-Trump Hydroxy Hysteria media this side of @ScottAdamsSays CNN might be killing tens of thousands. https://t.co/b4ThfIaQvG
And then I introduced HIM to something even more shocking.
There was a LancetGate Effect in The United States.
Peter – another "real time effect" exists for the FDA 6/15 decision. It's also a "LancetGate" effect, ironically started AFTER Swiss reinstatement of #HCQ on 6/11. Different delay – the shorter time from infection to viral test. Amazing proof. READ: https://t.co/lDV7XMyGzbpic.twitter.com/owqX6AMPUD
For those who are put off by the reciprocal graph, here is the data viewed more traditionally. Same point – a causally timed inflection point in cases when shadow is thrown on #HCQ by the out-of-date 6/15 (retracted) #LancetGate diss during rescinding of the EUA by FDA. pic.twitter.com/0FXd20tiMT
Now – I’m not going to show you this – you have to dig to find – but in the wake of my comments, Daughn came in for an assist, and we were then both engaged by HCQ opponents. One kept emphasizing that FDA head Hahn, who was in charge when the EUA was rescinded, is a Trump appointee – like this was going to bother me somehow.
NO. TRUTH IS TRUTH.
I thought this was clearly an attempt to generate “Alinsky fears” – specifically POLITICS BEFORE SCIENCE, because it might hurt Trump or Hahn, as a way of shutting me up.
NONSENSE!
Hahn, as I tried to explain, has his own mind. I LIKE THAT. It’s like the way things used to be. I believe that Trump hired him because Hahn is a strong believer in FAST TRACKING new drugs, like Trump is. A believer in TRUMP TIME. Hahn’s opinion on HCQ, wrong as it turns out to be, is secondary. This is WAR, people make mistakes, people die. Generals and Colonels live with this horrible responsibility, and WE SOLDIERS SUPPORT THEM.
BUCK UP, WORLD. We do our best, we trust in God, but we do NOT lie and cover up when we understand error. People have been all over the place on HCQ, but when the chips come in STRONGLY that it works, and even more so that banning it is a PROVABLE mistake, we have to consider CHANGING COURSE.
One way to do that would be to listen to Dr. Zelenko and have a NEW EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for HCQ – this time without Rick Bright’s toxic “hospitals only” poison pill attached.
YES! We can RECOVER from the LancetGate blunder by doing what Zelenko suggests.
BUT WAIT – THERE’S MOAR.
HCQ Insights
One way to make Zelenko’s new EUA actually happen would be to INCLUDE NEW DRUGS – albeit handled DIFFERENTLY from HCQ, as part of the EUA.
I call this the “EUA EUA“.
“Early Use of Antivirals Emergency Use Authorization”
The way this would work is to grant flexibility to doctors WORKING WITH pharmaceutical companies and state governments to try new antivirals early in the disease process upon confirmed diagnosis. HCQ is well-tested, and as the “standard of this EUA”, it becomes the GOLD STANDARD of safety and efficacy for other newer drugs to beat, using whatever delivery tricks and codrugs make these other drugs work best. Those drugs need every advantage we can find for them, just like South Korea (zinc), Didier Rauout (azithromycin), and Zelenko (zinc + azithromycin, very early) found for HCQ.
One of my rationales here is that we can reduce or even remove toxicity from the equation by low-dosing a lot of these drugs, since EARLY use can mean less drug needed for the more toxic ones. In some ways, what I am doing here is learning from sabotage studies of HCQ, which used massive and toxic doses LATE. We are doing the opposite – trying to “help” alternatives to HCQ by giving THEM access to patients at the same time when HCQ works best. Some – maybe even most patients may still opt for HCQ, but others may welcome new drugs like EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, the latter of which may prove to be effective not just late, but early as well.
The point is, get EVERYBODY early, so we remove the incentive to let patients deteriorate, which is now “imposed” on drugs which need desperate patients for “right to try”. The EUA, in essence, would EXPAND right to try to early or even asymptomatic patients – not just patients at death’s door.
The EUA EUA *removes* any incentive to delay treatment, or to bash HCQ, but at the same time, it doesn’t blockade new drugs from access to patients at the time when THEY might be very effective, too, which our current system, weirdly, does.
WIN, WIN, WIN.
#LancetGate had a terrible price! #HCQ bans and discouragements KILL.
I think a new EUA that included both #HCQ *and* other drugs in the pipeline having antiviral actions, FOR EARLY USE (badly needed for antivirals) is the big life-saver, that would get buy-in from Big Pharma. pic.twitter.com/Dt3Fb5NXUZ
This will not only help absolve @US_FDA on the #LancetGate-effect downside of rescinding the prior EUA (by compensating quickly) – it will provide HCQ as an automatic standard to beat with new agents in compassionate horse-races EARLY. Basically moves up "right to try".
The fundamental problem we're ALL facing is what @zev_dr saw first – antivirals need to be early, but we perpetually move risks LATE in treatment (for good reasons). But I believe super-early and *LOW DOSE* may be KEY to next-gen agents AND antiviral therapies, avoiding tox.
I'm very excited about EIDD-2801 and RLF-100, with the latter now in use LATE. Opening up early treatment and letting HCQ be the punching bag old coach standard will breed champions. pic.twitter.com/MWGHYWG8eh
NOW – about HCQ alleged toxicity. Here is an AR-15 of logic to take down trolls.
It’s important to address the cardiac toxicity issue head on, because that “problem” is really a deflection by people who “pretend not to know” how minor the problem really is, ESPECIALLY compared to LIVES SAVED.
This is JUST AS TRUE as it was with MALARIA.
Yup. MAMET PRINCIPLE. And behind that – AUBERGINE’S RAZOR.
Systematic review of cardiac complications attributed to routine hydroxychloroquine use…
From the years 1963-2017:
– Only 50 events of cardiac toxicity (since 1963!) – Total of 12 deaths – Median patient had been taking HCQ daily for 8 YEARShttps://t.co/5hgnw6qccH
Now – here is one reason I think that NON-VACCINATION AND TREATMENT is an important option.
One of the primary reasons to use HCQ instead of a vaccine, is the likelihood that coronavirus vaccines will cause immune overreaction TO infection by the disease, instead of actual protection FROM infection.
This is a nice article which introduces you to Dr. Peter Hotez, vaccine maker, vaccine advocate, but also vaccine truth-teller on immune enhancement. Hotez is somebody very difficult for the MSM to downplay and crush. At least, SO FAR.
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.
“We just could not generate much interest,” a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.
March 5, 2020, 4:30 AM EST / Updated March 8, 2020, 4:23 PM EDT
There will be more talk about immune enhancement later. Be prepared. It’s a very “sciencey” argument AGAINST mandatory vaccination. It is a much more EFFECTIVE argument than “I don’t trust Bill Gates” – even though the latter is a HUGE motivator for most people.
And now THIS.
Time To Go To WAR Over Hydroxychloroquine
What are we up against?
Something that runs us over if we DON’T put it down.
PUBLIC THREAD: Because this is meant for public consumption, I will refrain from the usual colorful language of our work threads, where I normally don’t give a damn. I want people in Washington to see this article with NO EXCUSES to look away.
Consider this article a terrorist device – an information land-mine – which I have placed INSIDE the Washington Monument, up near the top, from where its DEADLY SAVING RAYS will pass harmlessly through all TRUTH-TELLERS and will BURN LIARS, SCOUNDRELS, and SEDITION-ASSISTING FAKE NEWS JOURNALISTS.
It’s on, brothers and sisters. I say as I listen to the choppers outside my window, somewhat earlier than usual.
If you have not followed my initial outrage at Andy McCabe getting “no charges” for lying to the OIG, or the slow “coming to realization” over three more decreasingly outraged and increasingly savvy posts, then here you go – follow my schooling in the construction of information terror devices:
Within these posts, there is critical information from SUNDANCE over at The Conservative Treehouse. However, there is NEWER information from Sundance which is even MORE helpful to understand where I’m at right now.
I believe it is EXTREMELY USEFUL to read this Sundance post, in order to put the big picture together. Sundance and I are seeing the same reality from two different vantage points. Once you understand it all, Sundance ends with a very helpful metaphor for the current situation.
Please read it NOW, and then I will restate the metaphor for your convenience.
(Full Stop – read the Sundance piece, linked above.)
Here is the metaphor / prophecy / orders from Trump transcribed by Sundance / whatever:
The seditious group filled the DOJ fire truck tanks with gasoline, and then they lit the House on fire. General Flynn is trapped on the roof…. The neighborhood is shouting at fire Chief Barr “put out the fucking fire you idiots“, and wondering why everyone is just watching the House burn. Meanwhile, there’s several firefighters who know what’s in the tanks, and they are standing, smiling, hoses at the ready, cheering-on the angry shouts from the crowd…
[pot-stirring tweet by Devil N. Barrett – i.e., this guy is one of the arsonist FAKE firefighters]
[two Trump tweets breaking out the Zippo – i.e., justice is coming, FAKE NEWS]
President Trump says: Point the compromised firehoses at the smiling firefighters while making them hold the Zippo’s… then watch what happens.
The only way I can see out of this mess; the one crack in the current lock box; is the FISA court order for the DOJ to present the identified downstream consequences from fraud upon the court. The FISC might actually be the ladder truck here. With the DOJ and FBI currently assembling the investigative consequences, ie. the sequestration material, Flynn’s current legal status might be identified as an outcropping of fraudulently obtained FISA warrants.
Let’s hope those on the sequestration mission can return the information prior to the flames reaching the roof…
Sundance at The Conservative Treehouse
SO – if you’re following all that, and not “playing stupid” like a typical lefty journalist, and not afraid to talk in a bit of “Q lingo”, then you realize that what Sundance is describing is remarkably similar to “The Plan”. But I’m starting to agree with Sundance that we should not simply “rely” on The Plan. In fact, we may find it prudent to MAKE OUR OWN PLANS – if only because INDEPENDENCE is being taught to us again.
Now – having been sent on a bit of an emotional “ride” by the Soviet Fake News, which published information about McCabe WALKING, but without stating the OBVIOUS REASON, I have chosen to extract my payback by rubbing the Pinocchio nose of the Fake News in THAT OBVIOUS REASON.
If you have been following our WORKING THREADS here, then you, too, know the obvious reason.
McCabe drops his suit against FBI and DOJ
almost at the same time, Barr announces that Durham is now a CRIMINAL investigation
later, DOJ announces no charges or further legal action against McCabe
Now, before I GO THERE, I want to first thank fellow Q Tree denizen trumpismine for a link to information which explained much of the FIRST two items in the list. I also want to thank three of the many people on this site – JasonD, michaelh, and Gail Combs – who proved very strongly that the DOJ has an irrefutable CASE against McCabe – that guidelines clearly call for charges.
So HERE is where we get into the meat of our accusation against the mainstream media.
We all know that the [recused] Sessions DOJ tried strongly to not only plug leaks, but to punish leaks, and to prevent new ones – and ultimately they did. The Rosenstein-Liu DOJ – not so much, with the James Wolfe leak going unpunished and covered up. Otherwise, a pretty tight ship.
But next to AG Barr, these previous DOJs look like SIEVES. AG Barr and Director Wray have PROVEN that they can keep a strong lid on investigations. Whatever you might think of these two, they have brought back the GOLD STANDARD of the old DOJ-FBI in terms of keeping ongoing investigations on the DOWN LOW. If you don’t respect it, you’re not paying attention.
This means, quite simply, that the reason we are not hearing leaks about “things” going on inside DOJ and FBI, is almost with complete certainty because they are running a TIGHT SHIP once again.
SO – IN THAT CONTEXT – if you combine the mysterious three items in the list above – [ 1 + 1 + 1 ] – there is no question what the answer is.
McCABE TOOK A DEAL.
And we’re not talking about a “deal” that involves getting an extra scoop of ice cream at a White House function. We’re talking about TALKING.
Let me spell this out so that even a CIA embed at the Washington Post like GUILTY SPYGATE HACK Devil N. Barrett can understand this.
Former FBI Deputy Director Andy McCabe is testifying against his superiors and others:
certainly James Comey
likely Loretta Lynch
probably John Brennan
certainly White House officials (remember Page/Strzok texts)
possibly Congressional aides
certainly the media contacts who understood the falsehoods being promoted
Oh, wait – wasn’t there some conspiracy theory about this called “QAnon” or something?
SHEESH!
Look, friends. It is ONE THING for us to sit here and talk amongst ourselves about all this stuff, but as far as I’m concerned, that is OVER. The FAKE NEWS trolled us with “McCabe No Charges”, when THEY KNEW THE TRUTH AND HID IT.
So now it’s time to take our ORDERS from TRUMP, as TRANSMITTED and TRANSLATED by Sundance:
President Trump says: Point the compromised firehoses at the smiling firefighters while making them hold the Zippo’s… then watch what happens.
Sundance
So that is what I’m doing. It is time to make these Fake News Bastards (whoops, sorry) print the truth about what is happening in SpyGate.
I mean, you wouldn’t want to drop this meme on Devil N. Barrett’s timeline.
Or this one:
Or especially this one:
Here’s to you, Ratseclisa. NOW I understand why I accidentally named you that.
W
PS – all of the above is stated CONFIDENTLY despite THIS BULLSHIT PSY-OP fed through Andrew McCarthy of the National Review to the contrary (and also laughingly at the last minute):
Yeah, right, you stupid hack footstool-bearer of Trotskyist pseudo-cons. SPARE ME. Don’t give me that complicated, hand-wringing, bu-bu-bu-bu-bu…. bullshit. Tell your idiot berg-bosses that STALINSKY and her COUP CREW still have an ice pick for them. GROW UP!
For you, Deep State Coup plotters, it’s TOO LATE. No more lies. You coup plotters are going DOWN. Your desperation is showing. Now you must LIVE YOUR FEAR OUT IN THE OPEN.
And for YOU, Media Muffins, there is NO MORE RESPECT as long as you are FAKE NEWS. Start telling the truth or GO DOWN WITH THE COUP.
Some of this stuff is just frigging explosive. The ties to CROWDSTRIKE (click the link) – this is just mindboggling. It’s as if DOJ was a Democrat Hillary Reelection Operation.
Now – I’m somewhat in the same boat as Sharyl. I don’t want to just come out and say that Radium Rod is a black hat, without knowing more, but DAYUM.
This would certainly explain WHY the FBI was trying to SET ME UP even during Whitaker, and why the CRAP didn’t stop until Rosey was GONE and BARR was SWORN IN.
And yes – it is entirely possible that White Hat Rosey could have been playing Black Hat to bag the bad guys, because Occam’s Razor gives WRONG ANSWERS when all the FACTS are not in evidence, or when there is DECEPTION involved.
But nevertheless, it looks like RADIUM ROD has some EXPLAINING to do.
Here we go, people. LAST CALL. I want to hear your FINAL PREDICTIONS.
Sessions. Rosenstein. Mueller.
White hat? Gray hat? Black hat?
To make matters even trickier, check THIS out….
Check the DATE on that puppy! Just after midnight this morning.
I mean – is that a REAL TWEET?
Yes, but things MAY or MAY NOT be what they SEEM – even TWEETS….
OR ARE THEY???
“Things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; the intelligence of a few perceives what has been carefully hidden.” – Phaedrus (Plato)
This TWO DAYS IN MAY TUESDAY open thread (OK, it’s really THURSDAY, but MUH SYMMETRY) is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it SOMEWHAT civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember to KEEP PRESIDENT TRUMP IN PRAYER.
OUR FIVE WORDS TO HIM:
WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU
Always keep our movement’s larger purpose in mind – RESTORATION!!!
That is why there MUST BE cleaning of the SWAMP!!!
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
NOW….
THREE THINGS TONIGHT:
1.
Although I now have FOUR NIGHTS a week covered by authors (other than myself) who want to do Daily Threads, as follows, I am still looking for more.
Monday – Wheatietoo
Tuesday – Wolf Moon
Wednesday – Wolf Moon
Thursday – Wolf Moon
Friday – ForGodandCountry
Saturday – Wheatietoo
Sunday – ThinkThinkThink
If you think you would like to take one of the remaining “Wolf” days (T, W. Th, meaning you post the night before at midnight), please let me know. I am encouraged by the great reception that our Daily Thread authors are getting, and would love to add one or two new Daily Thread authors to take maximum advantage of this effect.
You need to be US-based, operating from a secure home computer (not on a roaming laptop or mobile device), and otherwise pass somewhat rougher vetting than even Wolf’s Extreme Vetting which posters normally pass. Some upstanding interested people in deep blue zones may simply be put on hold until enough of the swamp is IN JAIL, at which point American security will automatically tighten.
The reasons I am now being a bit more cautious about (a) location of authors, and (b) making sure that this place could run smoothly if I were, say, indisposed due to some kind of LAWFARE plot, has to do with both items 2 and 3. I believe that my strongest earlier suspicions about DOJ and FBI under Rosenstein are now confirmed. More on that below.
So if you’re interested, please let me know.
2.
There is an article in Human Events about AG Barr that your really need to read. HOWEVER, WordPress goes NUTS if the URL “embeds”, so here is a masked link:
I will also embed the URL at the END of this post, where it can’t mess anything up.
This article explains my theory on Barr, Mueller and Rosenstein in LEGAL terms.
To ME, it confirms that Rosey is a black hat who has more successfully than anybody masked himself. He was willing to let OTHERS decide Trump’s fate, once he created the corrupt Mueller process. This is how they created plausible deniability of malicious intent. Rosey threw the magic potato that turned into a grenade and said “That’s OK, just follow the process for throwing potatoes and all will be well. See? I agree with Bill Barr now that he’s my boss.”
It’s LAWFARE. I can SEE IT. Others did, too, and that is why they booted Sessions to get somebody to END THE LAWFARE based on BAD LAW (the subsection in question, which will eventually go to SCOTUS, and which is the basis of Democrat obstruction traps).
I believe that the NEED to bring in Barr is related to the “change” in “Trust Sessions” – that there was a need to stop “trusting” him and replace him. Basically, a CHANGE in the plan. In my opinion, people RIGHTLY stopped trusting Rosey, but they needed to remove SESSIONS to get past Rosey the Rook, who had castled with King Robert of Mueller.
Whatever. Water under the bridge, but WE were pawns in it. WE had to go, so that Trump supporters who liked Sessions would get out of the way of FALLING SESSIONS, who pretty much fell on his sword.
3.
The Democrats are extremely serious about 2020. I am seeing plot investments on a scale which DWARFS anything I have seen before.
I believe that the Democrats and black hats have LOST access to NSA data on me, and that this explains why there has been a relatively large degree of calm in my life. HOWEVER, I have now discovered how they intend to remedy that situation, and it’s fairly ingenious. Independent discovery of the same by the White Hats will validate.
This POST-MUELLER MONDAY open thread is VERY OPEN – a place for everybody to post whatever they feel they would like to tell the White Hats, and the rest of the MAGA world.
You can say what you want, comment on what other people said, and so on.
Free Speech is practiced here. ENJOY IT. Use it or lose it.
Keep it civil. They tried to FORCE fake Orwellian civility on us. In response, we CHOOSE true civility to defend our precious FREEDOM from THEM.
Our rules began with the civility of the Old Treehouse, later to become the Wolverinian Empire, and one might say that we have RESTORED THE OLD REPUBLIC – the early high-interaction model of the Treehouse – except of course that Q discussion is not only allowed but encouraged, and speech is considerably freer in other ways. Please feel free to argue and disagree with the board owner, as nicely as possible.
Please also consider the Important Guidelines, outlined here in the January 1st open thread. Let’s not give the odious Internet Censors a reason to shut down this precious haven.
Remember – your greatest gift to President Trump is FIVE WORDS:
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU.
Our movement
Is about replacing
A failed
And CORRUPT
Political establishment
With a new government controlled
By you, the American People.
Candidate Donald J. Trump
Also consider Wheatie’s Rules:
No food fights.
No running with scissors.
If you bring snacks, bring enough for everyone.
Everything is a bit different now.
OK – Let’s be more specific….
OH, HECK – let’s just be obvious as HELL!!!
You just HAVE to love Trump’s “press conference” today!!!
President Trump at the White House: “I just want to tell you that America is the greatest place on Earth. The greatest place on Earth." pic.twitter.com/9yQvuR2FGC
I personally think that the Mueller report was “fair” – even the part about not fully exonerating on obstruction, because the reality is that the legalities of presidential power in terms of firing crooked staff who have some degree of power OVER or AGAINST the office of the President are all VERY murky, and Mueller was right to not “exonerate” more than he could both LEGALLY and TRUTHFULLY. There is a lot of unsettled law here, IMO.
NOW – my theory on what actually happened does not fully exonerate Bob Mueller, either. I may be wrong about this, but if Mueller was just pretending to go after Trump, he sure was doing a good job. I think he and Weissmann “took the job seriously”, and were ready to “go the extra Cohen mile” and do things like dishonor attorney-client privilege, in order to harass Trump throughout his ONLY (their thinking) four years.
Like I say – the Mueller SC could have been an act, but if so, it was a good one. They also let Bob Mueller be a snake before Trump even got serious about becoming President, during the Clinton administration. That is PROMPT action!
Anyway, my “post-Mueller” thoughts today…..
wolfmoon1776 March 24, 2019 at 19:47 E Br’er WOLF tips his hat to Br’er POSSUM, who SAVED Br’er LION by throwing himself into the BRIAR PATCH, where he found Br’er BALD EAGLE and Br’er BARRED OWL, who made Br’er MULE tell the truth about Br’er LION, who DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH BR’ER BEAR OR BR’ER PANDA BEAR. THE END. OH WAIT – DID SISTA MOON BAT HAVE SEX WITH THOSE BEARS???!!!
wolfmoon1776 March 24, 2019 at 23:03 E Roberta – in *MY* opinion, Mueller, Rosenstein and Weissmann WERE colluding with the impeachment agenda, and fully intended to create bogus indictments of the Trump kids, in particular to try to “brazen out” the Veselnitskaya FRAMING of Donald Trump, Jr. This could have allowed Mueller to control the evidence of Russian involvement there, so that – as his DOWN SIDE, they could protect Loretta Lynch and others, and particularly all those in the Deep State / DNC who were colluding with Russia on Uranium One, etc. The UP SIDE would have been to build a “pre-impeachment narrative” up to the 2020 election, and then LEAVE THE QUESTION HANGING for the election. I believe BARR came in and called BULLSHIT on the evidence against Don Jr., likely saying that the evidence looked equally good (actually greater, but assume he played his hand lightly) that somebody was SETTING UP Don Jr. Since Matt Whitaker had cut off the fishing expedition, that was all they had. Weissmann left DISCREDITED – his prize indictments on the cutting room floor. Mueller had to wrap up what they had – NOTHING. BUT – and this is key – no proof HERE that Mueller and Rosey would have done EXACTLY what we know they would have done, if Barr had not come in, and ROSENSTEIN would have rendered the verdict on proceeding with Weissmann’s bullshit indictments (which I’m SURE he would have). The LAWFARE GANG is very careful to do as LITTLE which is OBVIOUSLY ILLEGAL as possible. Thus, I believe that Mueller punted – not to the Dems, but to TRUMP. It was the only thing he could do. NO “Don Junior suspicion leverage field goal” for Team Black Hat. Instead, they had to punt, and TRUMP now has the ball. Liked by 1 person Reply
Is “Second Strzok” David Bowdich an “Untouchable” or a “New McCabe”?
And is Lisa Page an Intelligence Idiot or the Super-Spy Who Fooled Congress?
I was wondering why I was picking up heat of certain extremely interesting kinds.
Starting and maintaining this troublesome little website was bound to cause annoyance in DC, but I was surprised when that heat took on a characteristically federal nature that suggested the FBI was involved.
The actors (COUGH, COUGH) were not interested in information that might solve America’s problems. They seemed interested in information that might solve THEIR problems. WE being a part of those problems. ME being a particular one of those problems.
Interesting.
If people are starting to understand why I’m taking precautions to preserve this site in my absence, now you’re likely getting ideas why precautions are necessary.
Q said “You have more than you know.” He was NOT lying.
In a prior post, here, I talked about certain principles of information reversal that are particularly useful for what the other side is up to, blame-casting THEIR commie collusions on President Trump. It all gets very confusing, but I think that stating those ideas once again is useful.
First, the general principle:
The CLOSER the straw-man [accusation] can be arranged, FACTUALLY, to the REALITY being covered up, the EASIER the defense, because the STORY is closer to the REALITY, and pieces of the REALITY can be used as “proof” of the STORY – particularly if the STORY is advanced FIRST and the disentangled REALITY is posited LATER in defense.
This is then followed by three corollaries:
Counterintelligence is the perfect place for this sort of intrigue, since counterintelligence amounts to infiltration of infiltration, staying infinitely close to the original infiltration. Basically, getting CLOSE to the REALITY with a DECEPTION is part of the game, so counterintelligence is a natural place to SEED this kind of defense.
The ploy of reversed accusation becomes even easier and possibly even necessary if the enemy actually IS colluding with the accusing compromised or corrupted counterintelligence. This allows the enemy to “assist” the lies of the other side’s compromised counterintelligence, keeping them in place. This means that the counterintelligence people, if corrupted by the enemy, can then be “helped” by the enemy – in schemes exactly like what we are observing. Like I said, “19” [money dump plausibly matching amount offered to Carter Page] may have been a gift from Russia with love, or at least alliance.
One of the first places that should be subverted by the enemy, both directly and indirectly, is counterintelligence.
THOSE were followed by some ideas that bring it all back to
COMEYWORLD:
The Hillary email cover-up by the SAME participants as in the FRAMING of Trump, is the BEGINNING of the revelation of the other half of the story – the COVER-UP. The TIGHTNESS of the same cast of characters in the Mueller cover-up fake investigation and the HRC email exoneration / cover-up is a kind of give-away of the theory I posited earlier.
Go back and review what I said, if it doesn’t make sense. It should. You can also see why the interception of the plot – by releasing text messages of Page and Strzok to force them out of the Mueller probe – was clearly the result of extremely skilled “IG-type work” in counter-intelligence. It’s not about the messages. It’s about the plot.
Wolf Moon, “The Framing of a President as the Cover-Up of Treason”
NOW – if you understand why POPPING STRZOK and McCABE out of the FBI was so important to bringing the continuing Hillary MADNESS roughly half-way to a close, you will understand the importance of what SUNDANCE – and unknown patriots who got some of Lisa Page’s information to him – just did.
He’s using “same-player” to MAKE A BUST.
First things first, I *URGE* you to read this post by Sundance.
Leaked Transcripts from Lisa Page Provide Some Stunning Revelations…
Sundance makes some extremely important points that show we now have a half-full glass of MAGA, where previously many saw it either empty or full. And it was the PERSISTENCE of our Granular Brother who found the key which unlocks the mystery. And maybe opens a new one.
“Really it’s the people that met with Jim Comey. Those are the only people that were really the same with respect to both teams. So it’s the same general counsel, the same deputy general counsel, me, Mr. McCabe, Dave Bowdich. The EAD for National Security Branch changed, but that was just because of regular personnel turnover.
Lisa Page, emphasis by Sundance
Many of us were trying to figure out how David Bowdich rose to the level of Deputy FBI Director under Chris Wray. [Bowdich was previously the FBI field office head for the San Bernardino terrorist attack investigation in California] Now we see that Bowdich was at the center of the small group in Washington DC who were doing the Trump investigation. This reconciles why the current FBI is blocking the release of the witness transcripts. Do you remember who told congress a few weeks ago that any transcript releases may interfere with the Mueller investigation?…
Sundance, emphasis by Wolf Moon
Bowdich, I believe, is key. I had earlier thought that my “heat” might have Muellerish origins, but what if we have a “New McCabe” in place – WELLLLLL, that would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?
I am not automatically convinced that Bowdich is crooked, because I tend to think that Wray is a straight-shooter, and would pick straight-shooters. I differ with utmost respect with Sundance on this point. But straight-shooters often have certain weaknesses, and one of them is being somewhat manipulable – particularly in a corrupt institution. Bowdich has taken DOWN corrupt institutions. But has he ever stopped to think that he might have worked IN ONE for DECADES?
It’s a weird feeling.
Bowdich isn’t just connected to the sketchy San Bernardino “event” – he’s also connected to a prior sketchy incident – the “LAX shooter” named Paul Ciancia (you know – as in “CIA ‘n’ CIA”) who rescued TSA from public weariness single-handedly.
Note how Bowdich “graduated” from this sketchy event to the next one in San Bernardino. ALL THE WAY TO TRUMP.
Now I’m not saying this guy is a bad guy. But I think there are several possibilities.
(1) Bowdich may have been closely observed by the McCabians to make sure he didn’t get any career-killing “conspiracy theory” ideas about sketchy events. He may have been brought forward precisely because he was “safe”. But that also means he has a blind spot that a CIA panel truck can drive right through, any time it wants. Of course such a person could be talked into reverso WRONG investigations like Trump or (COUGH) other people. This would explain a lot.
(2) Bowdich was “read in” on the sketchy gun grab events, and knew exactly why this stuff straight out of Bill Cooper was happening. He is then most likely exactly as Sundance is calling it – covering stuff up because of knowledge.
(3) Bowdich was NOT read in BEFORE, but is now aware of what the heck is going on, and he is covering up things for strategic reasons we don’t know, which could be good or bad. All bets are off, here. There is a possibility of UNTOUCHABLE, and things are getting interesting.
Bottom line – David Bowdich is a new variable that could be anywhere from “New McCabe” to “Untouchable”. And we know he’s covering up stuff for SOME reason.
I love the way I can “speculate well out ahead” of where Sundance’s more painstaking and granular approach goes, but when you need highly directed sunlight, his laser focus cannot be beat. So let’s start off with the FINALE to his post:
There’s a hell of a lot more to be learned from the Lisa Page testimony, specifically about the role of the CIA in the overall operation…
However, for me personally, her outline of Bowdich in the main FBI DC office -as connected to the larger investigation- completes an annoyingly missing puzzle piece.
DAG Rod Rosenstein was hired by President Trump at the direction of, and request of, AG Jeff Sessions. Rosenstein then recommended that President Trump hire FBI Director Chris Wray (a transparently useful idiot)….. Director Wray then hired David Bowdich as his deputy AND re-hired Dana Boente as FBI chief-legal-counsel.
The picture we get here is how the 2015/2016 officials within the corrupt DOJ and FBI enterprise, were put into higher office in the Trump administration 2017/2018; and those same officials are currently occupying positions that allow them to keep their prior corrupt activity hidden.
This whole thing is FUBAR.
Sundance, his emphasis
Let me re-emphasize something from that:
“However, for me personally, her outline of Bowdich in the main FBI DC office – as connected to the larger investigation – completes an annoyingly missing puzzle piece.” –Sundance, my emphasis
Good G_d in Heaven, I could have written those words myself. Although I am talking about a certain SMALLER investigation.
I *knew* it was Radium Rod coming at me, but I just didn’t know HOW he was doing it. I thought that the MUELLER SHOW was the only BAD ACT in FBI Town. And the Mueller Show had ZERO plausible rhyme or reason to go after me. Oh, yeah, they can put RUSSIANS into anybody’s world (COUGH, COUGH, note previous corollaries), but they can’t really mix them with Trump, so that part sucks for them.
There is no REVERSO to set up a STRAW MAN to go after me. There are ways to do REVERSO – as was done on Trump – but it’s more tied to CANKLES and OBAMA and OTHER THINGS.
So how does Q say it? “BOOM!”? I think that’s the proper expression.
As soon as I saw that we could potentially have a NEW McCABE in place, or somebody who could be bamboozled by OLD McCABES – as in McCabe’s finest “leavings”, everything started making SENSE. They don’t HAVE to go through Mueller – they can do reverso on other things.
And it’s not like they didn’t try that ALREADY.
If Q know what I mean.
Certain people have a NEW COVER-UP needed, AND they need to shut me up about everything ELSE we talk about here.
WHATEVER. I simply want to thank Sundance for providing the key that solves the mystery. NOW I know where my friends and fellow patriots can point their fingers, should I not return in a most excellent condition to this blog, after my brief (yes, brief) absence.
Now – one more thing I notice about Lisa Page. Originally I had this gal pegged for some kind of CIA super-asset that was using Strzok like her personal, Hillary-electing, “spot massage” device. Little did I realize, it was the OTHER WAY AROUND on CIA connections. But I’m STILL on the fence about whether this woman is (1) a dope and a dupe, or (2) an extremely cunning super-spy who has Congress totally bamboozled.
Two CIA bots in the sack? Don’t get me started. In the sack is where everybody wants everybody. Well, not quite. But I digress.
This LEAK may mean it’s the latter – she’s TROUBLE and somebody KNOWS IT, and they needed to LEAK IT. If it’s true that BOWDICH hid her testimony because of what I’m going to say, then things get interesting.
I begin.
After reading that Lisa Page worked for Bruce Ohr for years, I started to think that maybe she really was just some poor cog in the machine, not qualified for counterintelligence, swept up as a desirable dupe in a non-functional, or better yet, reverse-purposed FBI.
But then OH MY GOD – you simply cannot get closer to Russia on this side of the Atlantic than Nellie Ohr, Russia researcher and specialist, with more downstate New York red commie ties than I can shake a stick at. The fact that she almost perfectly parallels ANOTHER “spent some time in Russia” lady academic who is deeply connected to both American communists and the Tree of Life synagogue shooting – well, that is even more worrisome to me. All these weird “puppets of Russia” or sketchy Russians working on the fringes of plots against Trump – it’s just so WEIRD.
[I keep working on the fascinating Tree of Life / Russia post, but it keeps getting delayed. SOON. Hopefully whoever was on my computer in a white hatty way while I was researching that is ahead of me.]
No matter whether Lisa Page is a dupe or a super-spy, I think that the plotters thought she was SAFE. She is either safe because she’s super-unqualified and a DUPE, or safe because she’s super-devious.
We really need to find out WHICH.
Here is the key that proves something is up. This is an extensive quote from Jeff Carlson’s article in The Epoch Times, citing Lisa Page:
Page Denies Bias, But Says FBI Focused More on Trump Than Clinton
Page steadfastly maintained there was no bias present in either the Clinton-email investigation or the Trump-Russia investigation on the part of anyone within the FBI or the DOJ and went to some lengths to illustrate that, in general, FBI personnel don’t like most of the people they tend to investigate.
At the same time, Page repeatedly and openly admitted to placing a greater emphasis and weight on the Trump-Russia investigation than the Clinton-email investigation:
“If you were weighing resources with respect to which poses a graver threat to national security, which is more, frankly, important, there is no doubt—at least in mine or anybody else’s mind that I know—that the Russia investigation posed an incredible threat to national security, and whether we got into the Weiner laptop simply did not.”
Page returned to this topic several times:
“The notion that there might be more emails that have not previously been seen that existed on Hillary Clinton’s email server just simply don’t even enter into the realm of the same room of seriousness. The Clinton investigation involved activities that had taken place 3 years prior. It’s an entirely historical investigation.”
“In the assessment of the Counterintelligence Division, they still don’t even come close to the threat posed if Russia had co-opted a member of a political campaign.”
Jeff Carlson, The Epoch Times, citing Lisa Page
To me, this is MIND-BLOWINGLY BACKWARDS. A long-term criminal threat going BEHIND THE DESK in the Oval Office is 1,000,000 times worse than some slightly Russified POLITICAL HACK going into a campaign – EVEN as an adviser.
She. Is. LYING.
The question is WHY.
What she is saying is garbage, and needs an explanation. And if that explanation has anything to do with David Bowdich, it had better be because Q is not bullshit and Wray is turning around the FBI underneath all these fuckers, and Page has to hide what is really going on. Otherwise just call out the tanks.
There is no comparison. If Hillary Clinton obstructed the FBI in a criminal fashion [HELLO, STONETEAR], likely done to hide international crimes up to and including espionage, this is INFINITELY more dangerous than Trump having some happy dupe named Carter Page working for him (assuming the most likely REAL threat by Carter Page was being a Russian dupe). In fact, even the scenario of “Carter Page = Carlos” compares at microscopic levels to the enormous problem of “Hillary Clinton = Ethel Rosenberg”.
Are we all seeing this?
And NONE of this takes into account the absolutely historically incorrect nature of the Lisa Page argument. She even USES the word “historical”. Holy FUCK – that’s ballsy.
Espionage is fought and won in the PAST – not the future. Hillary *herself* has MOUNTAINS of sketchy past that the FBI was IGNORING at every turn. And the’re worried about an adviser on the FRINGE of the Trump campaign in the FUTURE? Seriously?
This is CRAP. It is the most brazen form of bullshittery imaginable.
And this woman is making counterintelligence decisions?
Does everybody see what I’m saying? Page is either stupid or lying.
Could they REALLY have picked somebody THAT STUPID for this job?
I could be very wrong about that, but I’m starting to think this woman is lying her ass off here. I’m starting to think she is PLAYING DUMB ON HILLARY.
But let’s assume for a moment that Lisa Page IS dumb on actual espionage, subversion, and communism. To me, this absolute FAILURE to understand long-term communist subversion shows an incredible “pwnage” of the highest levels of the counterintelligence division of the FBI.
In fact, the following Lisa Page quote in the same article, makes me want to face-palm, if the SAME Lisa Page who believes the above, believes what I cite below.
Page, who acknowledged her personal relationship with Strzok at several points during the interview, noted that initially, Strzok was not “brought over as the senior executive to run the investigation. Another individual was, and that was not successful. It was not a good match with Mr. Mueller. He did not really have the sufficient counterintelligence background to be effective.” That individual would later be identified as John Brown.
Lisa Page, my emphasis
Sorry, I am NOT buying that.
EXPLAIN it to us, Ms. Page, AS YOU WOULD TO A CHILD.
And NO, you cannot hide behind your “sources and methods” Halperoid Oxford / Cambridge Communist bullshit.
No. I’m starting to think that Mueller spotted Mr. Brown as a WHITE HAT. Page helped shuffle him out the door. Reds, dupes, “Strzok specials” and fellow travelers only.
Did these people at DOJ and FBI have any true understanding of Hillary Clinton?
Some did, I’m sure. The most ideological of players – people like Eric Holder surely did. THE RADICALS. Maybe “Comey the Commie”, although he strikes me as far more of a venal go-along, and less of a true believer.
I’m not sure about McCabe. I’m not even sure if most of those who were “read in” on the communist plots, such as the long range gun ban revealed by Bill Cooper, actually REALIZED they were carrying out communist plots. But they must have followed orders properly, and knew how to cover things up properly, because we know very well how highly THAT skill is valued by these Obama players.
And if Bowdich WAS involved in the stuff Bill Cooper revealed, then yes – he might have some utility in covering it up.
“Cover-up? Don’t cover me up, bro!”
In any case, the psychological control of the FBI was complete under Obama. Nobody at lower levels had a CLUE. Evidence that might have broken the glass-smooth mirror surface of FAKE NEWS illusion at FBI was quickly handed over to complicit individuals in charge of DUPES, fellow travelers and yes-people.
I CRY that this Sally Moyer chick was allowed anywhere NEAR anything Hillary.
And that now CONTINUES – and WILL CONTINUE – as long as people who are part of the tortoise-slow plot to BRAINWASH AGAINST GUNS are in charge.
If they were READ IN on the murders, then they need to be KICKED OUT.
Remember. There ARE no accidents. Not any more.
NEW McCABE? Let us hope not. AYE-YI-YI, let us hope not.
Pray to G_D that this guy really IS an Untouchable.
And Lisa Page? She is NOT telling the truth. FIGURE IT OUT.
I’ve been back and forth on Rod Rosenstein. I’m not the only one. Our favorite anon Q has also been very subtle about how he treats Rosenstein. The SUBTLETY of that mixture of trust and distrust is not only shared by me and Q, but also a certain SUNDANCE of our acquantance.
If Rosenstein has been some kind of informant, or half-trusted individual, then he is likely to be slippery as HELL. Much less obvious than Peter Strzok, Jim Comey, or John Brennan. But Rosenstein could be just as deadly to President Trump and MAGA. And I think he may very well be.
Remember the WIVES. Q has warned us REPEATEDLY about the WIVES.
Lisa Barsoomian. Who has a happy habit of obstructing freedom of information.
Just like her husband, RADIUM ROD.
I did not nickname Rosenstein “Radium Rod” for no reason. Yes, it’s a play on the character “Ruby Rhod” in “The Fifth Element” (which name is already a play on laser history), but there is more. Radium is highly radioactive, and toxic because of it. It is USEFUL, but it is DANGEROUS. One of its victims was its discoverer, Nobel Prize-winner Marie Curie. You don’t mess around with this stuff. If you do, you end up DEAD – just like the infamously sacrificed Radium Girls.
Marie Curie, discoverer of Radium and Polonium, and one of the critical thinkers in the theory of radioactivity (a term she invented)
Until now, I’ve never seen a good explanation for why Mueller showed up with Rosenstein to visit POTUS, the day before being appointed Special Counsel by – of all people – Rod Rosenstein.
Well, THIS seems like a good one.
The Sundance theory of MEET THE TARGET.
There has been a great deal of speculation surrounding the Trump, Mueller and Rosenstein meeting the day before the Special Counsel was appointed. My own take on it was: unbeknownst to POTUS, in preparation for his own interests, Rosenstein was introducing Mueller to his target. pic.twitter.com/kqi6gWBYao
The group of actors within the usurpation are far more cunning and Machiavellian than people give them credit for. Each participant looking out for his/her own interests. The common threat was, and is, President Trump. Within corrupt institutions there are no allies.
I urge people to read the thread, and look at who is arguing with Sundance. OH, MY, does that bring back memories of the more slippery Obama trolls on Breitbart, just a few years ago.
Interesting that they’re back in play.
No – Sundance has it nailed, in my opinion. This is an old LAWYER’S intimidation trick. They LOVE to do this stuff. This is just like SO many of the white-collar street-fighting tricks I’ve seen over my life – ever since that very first day I got sucked into a Deep State conspiracy, back in my formerly innocent youth.
“Surprise confrontation scenario tricks” – often RECORDED – are surprisingly common in the legal and spy worlds. Or in that spicy mixture of both, garnished with crime and abuse of the legal system, known as “Lawfare”. Trust me – these folks were up to NO GOOD.
Imagine Rosenstein putting Trump on the spot in different ways – saying certain things – just BEGGING Trump to say the wrong things. THAT is what I think that meeting was about.
This one-two punch of (1) sneaky meet-and-greet with sketchy, deadly provocative things said on the down-low to Trump – just WAITING for him to say the wrong thing – followed IMMEDIATELY by (2) a related psychological event such as – OH – hitting him with a special counsel – was designed to set Trump back on his heels. To make COOPERATION more likely. To make “go along with THEIR plan” the “right choice”, if Trump wanted the special counsel to “go away”.
Or, if not, to get what was needed to take him out.
Yes. I think this meeting was the first opportunity for Mueller and Rosenstein to TAKE OUT Trump, and THAT is why it is being advertised as the complete opposite by “sugar shills” in the MAGA world. Most well-intentioned. A few not.
I suspect that the MAGA world is being stressed by a combination of diametric pulls – sources feeding the sugar shills, and sources feeding the doom-and-gloomers. BAD STUFF. The reality is hard, but somewhere in between.
I am almost certain that Radium Rod hoped to create an opportunity for President Trump to OBSTRUCT the creation of the Special Counsel. All Trump would have had to do was say the wrong thing. This is much more dangerous than the PERJURY TRAP that Mueller appears to be such a specialist in. An OBSTRUCTION TRAP – like they never even THOUGHT of springing on Hillary “Cankles” Clinton.
You see what I’m saying?
Say the wrong thing? Too bad. IMPEACHMENT.
What Sundance is suggesting sounds beyond plausible to me.
And then consider how CYNICAL it is to send out people saying they were ALL meeting together to plot against decades-long friend and coworker Hillary Clinton!
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Robert Mueller (L) laughs alongside Attorney General Eric Holder (R) and Deputy Attorney General James Cole (C) during a farewell ceremony in Mueller’s honor at the Department of Justice on August 1, 2013. Mueller is retiring from the FBI after 12-years as Director. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB (Photo credit should read SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty Images)
AS IF!
*SPIT!*
COME ON, people! You know that is patently RIDICULOUS. Mueller spent LITERALLY his entire career crawling up the ladders in Clintonworld, then defended that crap in Bushworld and Obamaworld. His buddy and protege Comey went to the MAT for Hillary Clinton. Give me a BREAK!
LISTEN, my friends. This is a FIGHT.
Now – does this mean that “Trump is finished” or some NONSENSE like that?
PUH-LEAZE. AS IF!
No. What it DOES mean is that the other side is chock full of SHARKS – that this is a REAL-LIFE SHARK POOL.
Just like EVERY single big challenge that President Trump has dealt with his WHOLE life.
We cannot expect instant assured victory. We can expect a SLOG – a BATTLE – a FIGHT.
Now – there are people selling us STORIES. Q is not one of them.
“It’s all good – it’s all easy – it’s all gonna be OK – we’ve already won.RELAX.”
No. Contrast with Q. “This is not a game.”
This is not a game.
“Nothing can stop what’s coming.” doesn’t mean we’re getting a free ride on Easy Street, folks. This is WAR. People will get fired, demoted, set up, jailed, and – let’s be blunt – some of us are gonna get killed or wounded. False flags are THEM.
That doesn’t mean we can’t have the absolute highest morale on this site – but every once in a while, we need to give OURSELVES a “Patton slap” and deal with reality.
Things may be worse for some of us, which is not unexpected in my case, given that I’m the ONE person who shuts down this site if taken out of business. I expect that the other side is going to use every tool at their disposal to shut me down.
I have some great stories in that regard. ERIC HOLDER has his forces hard at work going after me. When he said he was going to KICK us, he meant it. That guy is ON ME BIG-TIME for all those tweets I did, connecting him to Parkland. And he is using .gov assets – THAT I can assure you.
I mean, c’mon! You think Whitaker is actually running DOJ? Not in these parts. Not according to MY personal data.
Q is not lying when he says this is NOT a game. And I think Sundance has spotted the KEY PROBLEM.
Sally Q. Yates’ back-up. Who is still in control of WAY too much.
They PLANNED this stuff to begin around and after the mid-terms. Think about THAT.
Move and counter-move. It is ON, people. At least, it is for me. I am DRAWING FIRE.
